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8/16/2019

Jeffrey Epstein’s Death Ruled A Suicide

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:47 pm



[guest post by Dana]

From the Daily Beast:

Jeffery Epstein’s died from a suicide by hanging, the New York City medical examiner ruled Friday, a much-awaited final determination that authorities hope will put to rest conspiracy theories that have swirled since the sex offender awaiting trial hanged himself in a Manhattan jail cell last week.

[…]

The medical examiner’s office had been waiting for additional information such as toxicology results and reports from law-enforcement agencies including the FBI and the Bureau of Prisons who are investigating how Epstein was able to kill himself while under heavy security at a jail cell, officials said.

[…]

It’s not clear if Epstein’s body has been buried, but the medical examiner’s office confirmed that it had been released to an associate. A person with direct knowledge said that Epstein’s body was claimed by his brother Mark.

Epstein’s attorneys had hired celebrity pathologist Michael Baden to observe the autopsy on the family’s behalf. A spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office said that Baden—who often works on celebrity and high-profile deaths—was in the room within eyesight of the examination.

Well, that’s one Epstein mystery solved. A whole lot more to go…

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

27 Responses to “Jeffrey Epstein’s Death Ruled A Suicide”

  1. You’d *think* it’d put to rest all of the conspiracy theories gloating about, but you’d be wrong.

    Dana (fdf131)

  2. 1. A conspiracy theory isn’t necessarily false. As I’ve said on other threads, a crushed hyoid bone is extremely unlikely in a self-inflicted hanging.

    Gryph (08c844)

  3. Watch Trump retweet some idiot saying the autopsy results are FakeNews!

    Paul Montagu (e7d63b)

  4. Bernie Sanders walks into a bar and yells, “Free drinks for everyone!”

    People in the bar: “yayyyyyyyy!!!!!”

    Bernie: “OK… who’s buying?”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. Whoops

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. A person with direct knowledge said that Epstein’s body was claimed by his brother Mark.

    So it was his brother.

    Thw word “associate” which I read a day or so ago, seemed to imply it was a relative or next of kin/

    Sammy Finkelman (6a3404)

  7. 3. The autopsy results included several findings inconsistent with self-inflicted hanging. What really happened, we’ll probably never know. It’s the Zapruder Film all over again.

    Gryph (08c844)

  8. Not inconsistent, just less probable, but less probable to a more limited degree when someone was his age.

    He didn’t drop from the ceiling. He had to contort himself to make that work.

    It would help if they explained it, although maybe somebody doesn’t want to give a tutorial on hanging and strangulation.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a3404)

  9. And just what could the toxicology reslts possibly have shown> Like maybe he was drugged and then hanged?

    Sammy Finkelman (6a3404)

  10. RIP Peter Fonda

    Wasn’t a fan but he inspired a Beatles song.

    harkin (58d012)

  11. “Fool on the Hog”?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  12. A conspiracy theory isn’t necessarily false. As I’ve said on other threads, a crushed hyoid bone is extremely unlikely in a self-inflicted hanging.

    I think you may want a look up the definition of extremely, or unlikely, since it is actually common.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  13. This is no way disproves my conspiracy theory, which is that higher ups, knowing he might kill himself, provided the conditions that allowed him to kill himself. Call it malign neglect.

    Kishnevi (083e7a)

  14. “Fool On The Hog?”

    Nice

    In his 1980 Playboy interview, Lennon said that he was trying to take in the beauty of the girls and the atmosphere, and Fonda kept coming over and whispering, “I know what it’s like to be dead, man.” Lennon found this creepy and annoying, but the incident stuck with him and inspired one of the most psychedelic Beatles songs.
    John Lennon originally wrote the song as “He Said He Said” because the line came from Peter Fonda, but it didn’t sound right, so he changed it to “She.

    This song marks an interesting spot on the Beatles timeline, as it was the first time and LSD experience directly influenced a song. They could be wildly creative on acid, but it caused a rift in the band as McCartney initially abstained. It also led many fans to listen with an ear for drug references, leading to some misguided interpretations of their songs.

    Paul McCartney didn’t play on this track, as during the recording he found himself at odds with his bandmates. George Harrison played the bass part.”
    _

    harkin (58d012)

  15. 12. I think you may want to look up the definition of “crushed.” Like, compound fractures. Like the description in Epstein’s autopsy. It is possible to break the hyoid bone in one or maybe two places, but that’s not what happened.

    Gryph (08c844)

  16. Justice is still not served and the guilty g free.

    That said, Finland’s government just collapsed thanks to their socialized health care system.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/finnish-government-collapses-due-to-rising-cost-of-universal-health-care/

    NJRob (939c04)

  17. Rob, not just collapsed. That article dates from March. But thank you, since it will prove of some use to me when dealing with one of the members of the music forum I belong to. He’s a Finn (and admits to being far left even by Finnish standards) who is convinced the salvation of mankind requires Bernie Sanders becoming POTUS so we can have Medicare for All in the USA, because he watches Kyle Kulinski videos.

    Kishnevi (083e7a)

  18. No doubt the medical examiner’s name is…

    Grace E. Knoll 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Apologies. But glad it will be of use to you.

    NJRob (939c04)

  20. 14. Nuts. Do you think Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was really about some poem Sean Lennon wrote in preschool? I don’t buy it.

    Gryph (08c844)

  21. My view of forensic experts is that what they’re most proficient at is passing off their guesses as scientific certainties. (Michael Baden has the additional expertise of getting his name in the papers.)

    In this case, they waited to make sure that there was no video or witness statements that would point to two arm-holders and a garroter with a strangling scarf (that’s how the Thuggees of India did it), and put down the less troublesome guess.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. RIP Peter Fonda

    Amidst the 50th anniversary of Woodstock… and the release 50 summers ago of Easy Rider.
    Still have a slightly tattered, dog-eared, tape-marked, big-azzed poster of Fonda and Hopper on their bikes from ’69 that survived the decades rolled up out in the garage. ‘Get your motor runnin'; head out the highway…’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. 14. Nuts. Do you think Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was really about some poem Sean Lennon wrote in preschool? I don’t buy it.“

    A drawing, not a poem.

    harkin (58d012)

  24. If gryph’s point was that “Lucy…” came before the song harkin’s writing about, he’s wrong.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. 24. I didn’t know if it was or not. I just said I don’t believe for a second that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds had anything to do at all with Sean Lennon. They were tripping. Can you imagine what would have happened had they admitted to it?

    Gryph (08c844)

  26. Maybe not as bad as saying they were more popular than Jesus, but wouldn’t have been positive, despite pretty much everybody knowing what the score was.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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