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8/15/2019

Devil In A Blue Dress Found In Epstein’s Mansion

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:00 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Bill Clinton and blue dresses, maybe it’s a thing:

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Jeffrey Epstein had an oil painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress — lounging on a chair in the Oval Office — hanging up in his Manhattan townhouse, according to law enforcement sources.

“It was hanging up there prominently — as soon as you walked in — in a room to the right,” a source told The Post. “Everybody who saw it laughed and smirked.”

[…]

A woman who visited Epstein’s $56 million home confirmed the existence of the Clinton painting to the Daily Mail… She was able to snap a picture of the painting, which was posted online Wednesday.

In it, the former president can be seen lounging on a chair in the Oval Office — pointing toward the viewer — while wearing red heels and a blue dress similar to the one Monica Lewinsky famously donned during their White House hookup.

A piece dubbed “Parsing Bill” was painted and sold by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid. Saatchi Art, an online art gallery, describes it as an “oil on canvas” with dimensions of 40 W x 40 H x 2 in. The painting inside Epstein’s home appears to be the same size, and sources told The Post it was also done with oil.

The Clinton camp has not commented on the painting.

Also, Epstein’s autopsy report revealed he had broken bones:

People familiar with the autopsy report told the newspaper the bones broken in Epstein’s neck included the hyoid bone, which is near the Adam’s apple.

[…]

This sort of break can happen when a person hangs themselves or dies by strangulation, forensics experts told the Post.

[…]

While a break in the hyoid bone is common in victims of homicide by strangulation, Epstein’s autopsy also showed signs of other neck fractures, the Washington Post reported.

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said, “With multiple neck fractures, that is less likely to be strangulation alone.”

“In strangulation, while you can break the hyoid bone, it is less likely to actually break bones in the neck,” Gupta said. “By hanging, someone can break both the hyoid bone and other bones in the neck. None of these factors in isolation give you a complete story.”

The medical examiner is awaiting toxicology reports before officially ruling on Epstein’s death.

–Dana

45 Responses to “Devil In A Blue Dress Found In Epstein’s Mansion”

  1. Plutocrats can be such a drag.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  2. Bleech! Why would anybody want that where they could see it?

    nk (dbc370)

  3. 2. “Blech!” is my response to pretty much everything I hear about Epstein’s lifestyle.

    Gryph (08c844)

  4. And might I add, a broken hyoid bone is extremely unlikely in the case of a self-inflicted hanging. It’s far more likely to break in forcible strangulation. What you see with suicide-by hanging is more often a dislocation in the atlantoaxial atlas joint.

    Gryph (08c844)

  5. So many “whys” about this…

    Dana (e940e0)

  6. It’s not even a good painting.

    It looks like somebody cut a photo of Clinton’s head out of a magazine and pasted it on top of a picture of Rudy relaxing between sets at Stonewall in the Village…

    Dave (1bb933)

  7. A drop that was forceful enough to break the neck of the executed person was the ideal when the death penalty by hanging was used in the UK and the US, so the broken bones are not per se proof this was not suicide. As to the precise point Gryph made in comment 4…I have no idea.

    My own theory is malign neglect: arrangements were made to ensure that if he wanted to kill himself, he would be able to do so.

    Kishnevi (94255e)

  8. As of Wednesday, the United States flag has been lowered to half staff on both Little St. James and Great St. James islands:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/american-flags-jeffrey-epstein-s-private-islands-lowered-half-staff-n1042556

    A boat captain cruising past Little St. James, located off the coast of St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands, captured images and videos of the solemn sight Wednesday night.

    Also, somebody has claimed his body (not his brother?)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  9. Bleech! Why would anybody want that where they could see it?

    Want to bet Billy Jeff laughed uproariously when he saw it?

    Kishnevi (94255e)

  10. Dem bones, dem bones, dem hyoid bones…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. “It looks like somebody cut a photo of Clinton’s head out of a magazine and pasted it on top of a picture of Rudy relaxing between sets at Stonewall in the Village…”

    What acts have you seen there, Dave?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  12. It’s not even a good painting

    It’s better than the portrait of Clinton now hanging in the National Portrait Gallery, by an artist named Chuck Close. Which is at least five feet high…
    https://npg.si.edu/blog/now-on-view-bill-clinton-chuck-close
    (This isn’t the official one, which is more traditional.)

    Kishnevi (94255e)

  13. 4… yes, much more common in manual strangulation. I would imagine the line would form on the left to get one’s hands on the guy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. The way things are going, I’m starting to think presidential portraits are going to follow the trend of the annual fraternity photos in the film PCU.

    harkin (58d012)

  15. I can totally understand if Bill Clinton is a really big Louis Armstrong fan right about now.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  16. It’s better than the portrait of Clinton now hanging in the National Portrait Gallery, by an artist named Chuck Close.

    And yet somehow even that awful portrait is less offensive than the completely awful cover photo of Bubba that Esquire ran at the end of his Presidency.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  17. Interestingly, this isn’t the only bizarre piece of “art” found in Epstein’s home. From the report:

    Epstein, 66, also kept a mannequin hanging from the ceiling — dressed up in a wedding gown, the source said, noting how the doll was situated above a staircase.

    Dana (fdf131)

  18. 4… yes, much more common in manual strangulation. I would imagine the line would form on the left to get one’s hands on the guy.
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/15/2019 @ 12:44 pm

    Too true, Col., the line on the right probably wanted him alive.

    Advocaat (2526e9)

  19. But of course: The U.S. flags have been lowered half-staff on Epstein’s island. It’s unclear who lowered them.

    Dana (fdf131)

  20. When I die, the person cleaning out my place is going to find a black velvet painting of Tim Tebow kneeling in prayer (in a Denver Broncos road uniform, in case you were wondering) along with other assorted oddities, so I’m not all that weirded out by Mr. Epstein’s collection.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  21. The U.S. flags have been lowered half-staff on Epstein’s island. It’s unclear who lowered them.

    “You’re traveling through another dimension – a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind…”

    Dave (1bb933)

  22. One significant fact about Epstein in the prison:

    Although there was no longer a second prisoner in there with him, there was still a bunk bed – and that bunk bed enabled him to hang himself when he bent his knees.

    The bedsheet also wasn’t paper but I don’t know when and if it was supposed to be.

    Epstein, of course, may have conned his lawyers. He talked like he expected to get out – he plea bargain would be held to immunize him against further charges from the same time period; or he;d get bail. He talked in way that a source said sounded delusional.

    But of course that could have been to make his lawyers believe he was no longer interested in committing sicide (and in any case e claied he;s been attacked the frst time, although te=he lawyer for the only person maybe who could have done it (or could he>) didn;t hear anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)

  23. The recent choice, other than Trump, for president last time may have been leaking secrets to China…

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/hillary-clintons-emails-were-sent-to-gmail-address-with-a-chinese-companys-name_3043380.html

    Pouncer (df6448)

  24. They finally found the cure for Epstein’s priapism.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. I have not noticed any description in the news reports of the method that Epstein [purportedly] used to hang himself. Sammy F. mentioned a bunkbed. Would that have been high enough to exert “[a] drop that was forceful enough to break the neck of the executed person….,” as Kishnevi suggested? (…as opposed to slow suffocation, I suppose, that would omit broken neck bones?)
    Wasn’t that the reason that they built gibbets high enough to drop the prisoner abruptly, and straight downward, i.e., so that the neck would snap?
    PS: when cause of death is strangulation, aren’t there other indicators in addition to the broken hyoid?? Petechiae*, etc.?
    * Caveat: everything I know about hangings, broken necks, etc., I learned from TV shows & mystery novels, so expert opinion & information would be very welcome. 😉

    ColoComment (89c82f)

  26. 26. ColoComment (89c82f) — 8/15/2019 @ 4:22 pm

    I have not noticed any description in the news reports of the method that Epstein [purportedly] used to hang himself. Sammy F. mentioned a bunkbed. Would that have been high enough to exert “[a] drop that was forceful enough to break the neck of the executed person….,” as Kishnevi suggested? (…as opposed to slow suffocation, I suppose, that would omit broken neck bones?)

    Wasn’t that the reason that they built gibbets high enough to drop the prisoner abruptly, and straight downward, i.e., so that the neck would snap?

    The only thing I
    found was in, or derived froma New York Post story, and that was that the bunk bed was high enough so he culd do it by bending his knees. It was not further explained.

    Here’s a web site that gives an explanation of how he klled himself:

    https://www.crimeonline.com/2019/08/12/breaking-jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-from-bunk-bed-in-jail-cell-source-says

    We’re not getting complete stories but fragments. The reason the Medical Examiner held up the cause of death is tha she was waiting for toxicology tests.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)

  27. 26… yes the little flecks of blood… we musta watched the same shows, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. too many law and order, and csi episodes, wouldn’t there be ligature marks in the event of a strangulation?

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. wouldn’t there be ligature marks in the event of a strangulation?
    Wouldn’t a noose also leave ligature marks.

    Fact is, we are all trying to integrate scattered bits of data with too much unknown to us to really answer any questions.

    Kishnevi (165c19)

  30. This guy was twisted.

    Won’t be surprised to learn that, at the end, so was his neck.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. Maybe those guards weren’t sleeping after all.

    I hear they are going to look at the corridor video. Wish I’d thought of that. Any bets whether it 1) failed to record; 2) suffered an 18 1/2 minute gap; 3) shows a static image, with the same dust mote doing the same thing every 50 seconds?

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  32. Yeah, we’ll learn as much about Epstein’s death as we learned about the Las Vegas shooting, I think. Which will be what Trump’s mega-donors want us to know. They’ll stifle the hookers and their pimps with law licenses by letting them loot Epstein’s estate, and the whole thing will be put to rest along with Epstein.

    nk (dbc370)

  33. 28. Remember “Quincy”?

    ColoComment (89c82f)

  34. 32. Kevin M (21ca15) — 8/15/2019 @ 5:29 pm

    they are going to look at the corridor video. Wish I’d thought of that. Any bets whether it 1) failed to record; 2) suffered an 18 1/2 minute gap; 3) shows a static image, with the same dust mote doing the same thing every 50 seconds?

    It’s been reported that they looked at it, (it probably took them up to a day or two to actually scan the videotape) and they found that the guards didn’t do the checks every 30 minutes.

    So it’s number 3: A static image for several hours. Nobody had walked up to Jeffrey Epstein’s cell for several hours. And certainly not during the time periods recorded on paper.

    The guards probably explained that they fell asleep. And attributed it to working overtime. They’ve been put on unpaid leave – more for falsification than anything else probably. The warden has been transferred to another post but he’s still getting paid.

    It’s been reported that sometimes when working overtime, they didn’t go home, but slept n heir cars. (I mean maybe they had to be back in 8 hours.)

    There’s also this for some reason about a camera being turned off, but that seems to be unsourced and I’d go with the story they did not go up to hid cell for several hours, and they made false entries in the log book.

    Q. Did they do it after they found him dead, (it perhaps being less dagerous to their jobs to do it after the fact than before) hoping the time of death would be put at within the last half hour before they found him?

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)

  35. 7. My point in mentioning the broken hyoid bone is that it is evidence, conclusive or no, that there was more to Epstein’s death than the media is reporting. People hear the words “conspiracy theory” and they immediately think false, but that is not necessarily the case.

    Gryph (08c844)

  36. Gryph (08c844) — 8/15/2019 @ 6:56 pm

    Apparently more than one well connected person would benefit greatly by Epstein dying, so it ought to be thoroughly investigated.

    In fact, this differs from all the other Arkancide “murders” people have charged the Clintons with: BJ Clinton had a real, understandable motive for having him killed.

    Kishnevi (165c19)

  37. BJ Clinton = Billy Jeff Clinton, of course.

    Kishnevi (165c19)

  38. Kishnevi, you have shown an interest in Greek:

    Μαζι με το βασιλικο ποτιζεται και η γλαστρα.

    The mere fact that the Clintons benefit does not necessarily mean that it was their doing.

    My favorite suspect is still Trump:
    Motive: Mega-donors if not he personally.
    Means: His Bureau of Prisons.
    Opportunity: His Bureau of Prisons.
    Cover-up: His Attorney General.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. I said there are a number of people who would have a motive.
    There is also the question whether the Clintons still have the “reach” to get this done.

    Trump however is low on my list. He might want Epstein alive if only to make it possible to charge Clinton with a crime, or ar least embarrass him to the depths of Hades.
    Also, Trump is the man who couldn’t successfully keep a harlot from blabbing and couldn’t figure out how to correctly conspire with the Kremlin. How would he manage this one?

    Kishnevi (165c19)

  40. Also, Trump is the man who couldn’t successfully keep a harlot from blabbing and couldn’t figure out how to correctly conspire with the Kremlin. How would he manage this one?

    Yup. You got me there.

    Hmm. Unless he is also merely a stooge and not masterminding but strictly doing only what he’s told by the real brains, someone who really is a successful, self-made multi-billionaire?

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Well seeing as the times the journal the post were covering up the recipients of epsteins party favors, to put it bluntly, whereas boies was confident trump was involved what do you think.

    Narciso (50a424)

  42. What Epstein did with this portrait is more of the same normalization of any kind of craziness with regard to sex. He didn’t commission that painting, though – this is almost certainly the
    same one that was painted and sold by Petrina Ryan-Kleid (through the online art gallery Saatchi Art?)

    Near it, in his house in New York, was a bust of JFK.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)

  43. 37. Kishnevi (165c19) — 8/15/2019 @ 7:16 pm

    In fact, this differs from all the other Arkancide “murders” people have charged the Clintons with: BJ Clinton had a real, understandable motive for having him killed.

    Where you don’t see a motive sometimes there might be the strongest motive, precisely to prevent people from finding out.

    But Clinton’s name had already been connected to Epstein. It is people whom people close to Epstein who might testify against Epstein might tell tales about who would have a motive

    (What they woudl reveal would most likely be tales of participation in embezzlement or bribery, not participation in sex)

    Now that Epstein is dead, they’ll be targets of prosecution, not witnessess. (Epstein himself was unlikely to talk because nobody would offer him a deal he would like.

    It’s not Epstein, it’s the witnesses against him, who might have talked. They now will, for the most part, not be witnessess.

    And the investigation will all focus on the sex and rape, and not on the theft and the bribery, (which has bigger ramifications.)

    So that’s who gains. People who now have no known connection to Jeffrey Epstein, or almost none.. But ending his life waa probably Jeffrey Epstein’s idea alone.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)

  44. While a lot of people on the Arkancide death lists don’t really have a connection to Clinton . But he did have a motive for killing the Branch Davidians at Waco, and it’s not the lie he told at a speech at the Treasury Department on March 17, 1993, that 3 of the 4 BATF agents killed on February 28, 1993 had been assigned to his security.

    Now this was implausible nonsense. That was just a big red herring done in advance of the burning down of the compound, which probably got postponed a few weeks, because he robably wanted to say that close to the end.

    The 3 BATf agents were killed by their commander on the raid, Friend of Bill Jay William Buford, who fired into a window of a room they had just entered. This was even caught on camera by KWTX-TV (Channel 10 in Waco)

    Everybody’s face is covered up, and they’re shown from the back, but anyway that’s what probably happened.

    Buford was the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fireasrms in Little Rock, and one of the chief planners of the raid – in fact he added some sexual allegations to the Waco warrant t sweeten it up, in January, 1993. (and could have met with Bill Clinton there)

    I think Bill Clinton probably had his eye on Buford and wanted to promite him to high rank in hhe FBI after merging it with the BATF, and Buford being a hero was probably part of the mrive for he entire raid. Buford had also been in charge of the investigation of the first attempt to kill Alice McArthur (by bombing which failed. A second attempt succeeded. She was killed by two people hired by Mary Lee Orsini, who, curiously, during the 1982 primary season, claimed to have had an affair with Jim Guy Tucker, and he came in third and didn’t make the runoff, and so Bill Clinton was able to become Governor again.)

    Buford probably killed the 3 men under his command, not because they knew anything about Bill Clinton, like Clinton, through his March 17 speech and also through double agent “black helicopter” Linda Thompson, tried to get people to think, but simply in order to make David Koresh look back and retrospectively justify the raid, because Bufird knew there were no illegal guns there, and the original intention was to get people killed.

    Several dead law enforcement officers would “prove” how dangerous Koresh had been ad cause people not to look too ccloely at its justification.

    But it all went wrong. Cutting the telephone wires didn’t prevent him from communicating with the outside, because one person inside the compund had this newfangled device called a cellphone, and Koresh was able to arrange a ceasefire.

    And meanwhle 3 men had been killed on the roof by someone who was probably Buford (I mean if you want agents to die, the best, and most secure, way is to kill them yourself.)

    Big big problem for Buford.

    So Clinton probably decided that most of the Davidians had to be killed to prevent a thorough investigation of the events of Feb 28, 1993. Nobody susoected this, because the whole connection with Little Rock and with Bill Clinton personally was hidden.

    But Bill Clinton had a deep personal connecton with one of the planners of the Feb 28, 1993 raid – enough anyway to send Roger Altman out to he hospital to visit him. (See the Tuesday, March 9, 1993 front page Wall Street Journal article about a week in the life of the president.)

    You can read. . .

    For March 1:

    He also wants to know the condition of one particular ATF agent who
    was wounded at Waco: Jay William Buford, an acquaintance of his from Arkansas.

    AND

    And Deputy Treasury Secretary Altman is dispatched to Waco to visit Mr. Buford and the other wounded agents.

    And, under Wednesday, March 3:

    Mr. Altman reports on his trip to Waco and his visit with the President’s friend, Mr. Buford, who was nicked in the nose by a bullet. The president wants to know if there will be any permanent scarring. Mr.
    Altman says he doesn’t think so.

    Incidently, a book that came out later Massacre at Waco had Buford wth different wounds.

    The dates on the Waco search warrant also show a connection with Bill Clinton – the dates go up to early June, until Perot wss leading in he polls, and only resume after the presidential election.

    You could look it up.

    As to how Clinton was able to do it, I think he had an encyclopedic knowledge of corruption in the Justice Department before he became president, and e=he worked with he people tryng to get rid of the director, william Sessions..

    With Epstein, I don’t think there was an actual motive. Jeffrey Epstein, as part of his public relations campaign, tried to get into circulation the idea that alot of other people did the ame or similar things that he did. Clinton, for a period was taking money or free trips) from Epstein.

    Sammy Finkelman (ce0839)


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