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7/31/2019

Dem Candidate Ends His Campaign by Opposing Impossible Promises and Fairy-Tale Economics

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:56 am



This sums up our horrible politics, media, and culture all in one nice short clip. John Delaney was thought to have had a strong night until this supposed gaffe, where he decried “impossible promises” and “fairy tale economics.” Elizabeth Warren scolded him for this and the crowd went wild:

Most of what Delaney says there is garbage, but the one sensible thing he said — that his party should be more realistic and less pie-in-the-sky — is what Warren seized on. She issued a superficial retort that basically said “yes” to impossible promises and fairy-tale economics.

As you can see, the reaction of the chattering class was “yay Warren!”:

No discussion of whether he’s right. Just a statement that Warren’s support of fairy tales was a “roundhouse punch.” And why not conclude that? After all, a crowd of hyperpartisans (who I assume, per usual practice, had been handed tickets to the debate by the campaigns) cheered Warren loudly.

Stupid Delaney, trying to get sensible for a brief moment in that environment. You see what happens when you try to move away from superficiality for even a second.

You get eaten alive.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

87 Responses to “Dem Candidate Ends His Campaign by Opposing Impossible Promises and Fairy-Tale Economics”

  1. Build the Wall!
    Lock her up!

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  2. What we witnessed last night at the Dem debate is simply a mirror-image of the extant Republican party. What we witnessed was essentially a bunch of leftists trying to out-Trump Trump in order to be the anti-Trump. John Delaney (and most likely a non-zero number of his campaign staffers) made the mistake of believing that it would be a good thing to try to stand out from the crowd. This is how you get eaten alive in politics.

    Gryph (08c844)

  3. ‘Who cares for you?’ said Alice, (she had grown to her full size by this time.) ‘You’re nothing but a pack of cards!’

    At this the whole pack rose up into the air, and came flying down upon her: she gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, and tried to beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank, with her head in the lap of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves that had fluttered down from the trees upon her face.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. She, like, demolished him.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. Let’s face it guys — it’s a good line. I could see Reagan saying something like that in 1980, and it would have had the impact of “There you go again.” Of course, detonating it against some political munchkin, as opposed to the President of the US, makes it considerably less impressive.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  6. Magical thinking for Teh Win!

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  7. 6. Magical thinking worked for Trump in ’16.

    Gryph (08c844)

  8. It all depends upon who’s evaluating what John Delaney said. Some people might be impressed.

    And, of course, to think John Delaney wasn’t just pouring cold water on a proposal, maybe unjustifiably, you might have to know whether what Elizabeth Warren proposes is realistic or not. Bernie Sanders has said it was not, (because of her wealth tax and constitutional questions) but how many people would even know about that, let alone rely on him? I don’t think Bernie got to explain what was wrong or what he considered wrong and impractical with Senator Warren’s proposal.

    There’s a distinction between what people familiar with the arguments know, and what people not familiar with the arguments know. Few people in the audience know the details. And few know the specific criticisms.

    Another thing wrong with Elizabeth Warren: She kept on saying that insurance companies turn down medical reimbursements and force doctors to fill out immense amounts of paperwork. What she didn’t say is that government run health care is even worse, and if it doesn’t start by denying reimbursements, pretty soon the people runing these programs start wanting to save money.

    They kept on circling back to health care at different points during the debate.

    Bernie Sanders was very feisty. He gave a good comeback to Tim Ryan, who had said that Sanders that he culdn’t say Medicare would be improved by including dental and hearing aids, because he didn’t know what would be covered in Medicare for All, that he does know it because “I wrote the damn bill.”

    Of course Ryan could have said (and maybe meant) that Bernie Sanders couldn’t know what would get through Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  9. Old married men are at a distinct disadvantage in this kind of a situation, because they’ve had decades of conditioning to responding to shrewish inanity either with silence or “Yes, dear”.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. “Magical thinking for Teh Win!”

    The federal budget will be balanced fairly quickly.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  11. Fact-checked. Yup. Delaney has been married for 29 years.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. * typos

    Bernie Sanders was very feisty. He gave a good comeback to Tim Ryan, who had said that Sanders couldn’t say Medicare would be improved by including dental and hearing aids etc, because he
    didn’t know what would be covered in Medicare for All.

    He said that he does know it because “I wrote the damn bill.”

    I think Sanders came out very well.

    Of course Ryan could have said (and maybe meant) that Bernie Sanders couldn’t know what would get through Congress. (and that’s easily, nothing at all, too)

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  13. Klobuchar, another fringe (i.e. borderline sane) candidate, tried talking sense too:

    JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: I want to bring in — I want to bring in Senator Klobuchar. At the beginning of the night, you said you’re going to hear a lot of promises on the stage. And previously you have said, when asked about your primary opponents, quote, “A lot of people are making promises, and I’m not going to make promises just to get elected.” Who on this stage is making promises just to get elected?

    SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN): Everyone wants to get elected. But my point is this: I think when we have a guy in the White House that has now told over 10,000 lies, that we’d better be very straightforward with the American people.

    And, no, do I think that we are going to end up voting for a plan that kicks half of America off of their current insurance in four years? No, I don’t think we’re going to do that. I think there is a better way to get what we all want to see, which is lower costs for health care.

    Do I think that we’re going to vote to give free college to the wealthiest kids? No, I don’t think we’re going to do that. So that’s what I’m talking about.

    But what I don’t like about this argument right now, what I don’t like about it at all, is that we are more worried about winning an argument than winning an election.

    Unfortunately nobody was paying attention.

    Dave (1bb933)

  14. Magical thinking worked for Trump in ’16.

    Mexico’s check for The Wall is in the mail, baby!

    Dave (1bb933)

  15. The difference between Chief Hokum and Bunkum’s quip last night and Reagan’s quip in 1980, is that Lieawatha delivered her bon mot with her typical sense of indignant outrage while Reagan delivered his with his usual wry humor and mild exasperation. I get which one plays better to the angry activists in your own party, but I also think I know which one plays better to that on-the-fence voter you need to win over in the general election.

    One of the items that seems to go unremarked upon in the media is just how angry Bernard Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are. We always hear that Republicans are the party that runs on anger (remember the whole “angry white male” stuff from 1994 to the present), but this time around the Democrats are largely a collection of rage monkeys flailing about as what they see as an unfair and immoral world. Even Mayor Petey got in on the action last night. Maybe I’ll do a post about this down the road.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  16. 9. Thank the 19th amendment for that.

    Gryph (08c844)

  17. You’re supposed to take her seriously but not literally.

    Time123 (457a1d)

  18. 9. Thank the 19th amendment for that.

    It could be worse — how long until the argument is made that the “Patriarchy” can be demolished by restricting the vote to women?

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  19. Trump has shown us that the media won’t stop people from believing what they want to believe. When reports make him look bad he calls those reports “fake news”. He promised silly things that he can’t deliver and people believe those promises because they were directionally correct, sounded strong and were entertaining. The Dems are going to do the same thing for their ideas. I expect that when the media starts pointing out that her numbers don’t add up her first approach will be obfuscation through details that are hard to pin down quickly. Think of when republicans would talk about “waste, fraud and abuse” in budgets. When that stops working she’ll tell us the “corporate media” acting out of greed. Both approaches are on brand for her. This will get worse if she manages to get elected.

    Between now and then I think there will be minimal attention to her actual policy proposals. Look at how little coverage Dan Drezner’s take on her trade policy has gotten.

    Time123 (457a1d)

  20. You’re LITERALLY supposed to take her seriously but not literally.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  21. All Betsy Warren needs to do is follow up with “Yes we can!” and the Dems will swoon over her.

    Paul Montagu (35419a)

  22. Think of when republicans would talk about “waste, fraud and abuse” in budgets.

    I do, then I remember what a phenomenally successful President Reagan was. First in my lifetime since Eisenhower. LBJ would have been called successful by Democrats — particularly this years’s crop — were it not for that Vietnam thing. Nixon would have been successful were it not for him being such a classically tragic figure.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  23. The non-crazy Democrats should break away from the crazy Democrats and form their own party – yes they will be lost in the wilderness (even if they managed to add the phantom-in-# “Never Trumper” contingent, not to be confused with the perfectionist conservatives who are Not-Trump) for a few election cycles but in the long run they could be set up for dominance in the late 2020s

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  24. Delaney believes in sky dragons but is otherwise sensible so hes out of there,

    In the UK for instance it took consistent failure for labour to get to Blair, after Soviet tool foot and nonentity kinnock

    Narciso (72d34b)

  25. Like Joe Lieberman who is reduced to reduced to lobbying for zte,

    Narciso (72d34b)

  26. 7. Magical thinking worked for Trump in ’16.

    He said he was going to erase the national debt in eight years by eliminating the trade deficit. (And a bit later, he basically lied about what he had said.)

    But the real magic was inducing Republicans to say quite openly that the debt isn’t a real problem (whereas it was during the Obama years), and to stop caring about the entitlement time bomb.

    Radegunda (3578a5)

  27. JVW —

    I didn’t watch the debate last night, so I saw the line and heard it in Reagan’s voice. (The words have that genial exasperation that fits RR.)

    Life is too short for this Independent Moderate to watch Democratic debates. That goes for the next cattle call as well. The Braves are playing good baseball right now. (Now, if they can trade for some pitching today…)

    By the time there are actually ballots served up here in Georgia, half of these folks will have dropped out. Plus, if there is an opportunity to vote against Trump in the Republican primary, that’s what I’m going to do. So I have no obligation to see who needs to prove themselves the wokest socialist ever.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  28. 13… meh…

    “Unfortunately nobody was paying attention.”

    The main problems for Klobuchar are that she pegs the left side of the charisma meter… and she’s prone to eating salads with a hair comb.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. Well theres bill weld you can vote for, I know that’s not really a thing, you might be able to break jeb out of his black case.

    Hillary is actually a multiple violator of statutes and you dont care at all,

    Narciso (72d34b)

  30. He had some pretty good answers last night, for a Democrat.

    But he’s not in their plans, therefore Fauxcahontas ‘crushed’ him.

    On the Drudge poll on who did best last night, Williamson got 48% and Delaney was 2nd w 11%.

    harkin (92ce59)

  31. A few things to remember:
    1. We are in the middle of the pundit primary, where our media geniuses decide who they will follow into the next phase.

    2. Our media does not want a coronation, it wants conflict.
    3. Just as they gave Delaney a bigger megaphone last night, they may decide that they will keep him on the front page as the counterweight to Bernie/Warren, et al – at least for the next two months.

    John B Boddie (11ac33)

  32. This is the alternative. The destruction of the USA and the rise of the USSA.

    No thanks.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  33. ‘… and the crowd went wild…”

    How soon Righties forget the life and times of ‘voodoo economics.’

    “I’m paying for this microphone, Mr. Breen!” – Candidate Reagan at 1980 GOP debate stealing line from Tracy/Hepburn Capra classic, ‘State Of The Union’ – 1948

    … and the crowd went wild
    .

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. The main problems for Klobuchar are that she pegs the left side of the charisma meter…

    Compared to Warren? Compared to Sanders?

    We’re grading on a curve here…

    She certainly pegs the opposite side of the hysteria meter.

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. @28. The main problem with Klobuchar is she has the charisma of a fire plug.

    These parties should have learned by now that in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained. Hence the Google-busting searches about the mystical, magical Marianne Williamson.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. “3. Just as they gave Delaney a bigger megaphone last night, they may decide that they will keep him on the front page as the counterweight to Bernie/Warren, et al – at least for the next two months.”

    Speaking time:

    1) Warren – 18:33
    2) Sanders – 17:45
    ….
    7) Delaney – 10:31

    Delaney made some great points and tried to insert reality, the msm is bending over backwards to say Warren crushed him when she did no such thing.

    They don’t want a counterweight, they want a clear favorite who can beat Trump.

    harkin (92ce59)

  37. “Delaney made some great points and tried to insert reality, the msm is bending over backwards to say Warren crushed him when she did no such thing.”

    Sorta reminds one of the scene in Idiocracy where Luke Wilson pleads his case in the arena before the fellow with the flamethrower turns to the crowd and gives the sign of the limp wrist before torching Wilson.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. @36. Except she did– w/that ‘zinger.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. It was part of the DNC rules that the candidates leading in the polls should get more speaking time. The same was done in the first round of debates.

    I think it was also done by the GOP in their 2015 debates.

    Dave (1bb933)

  40. 38… Frito? Is that you?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. no they want the left most candidate (call it the McGovern correlary to the buckley rule) to win,

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. The less-than-polite-Joey-Bee should be most entertaining, tonight:

    “Hey you Americans, get off my lawn!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. I know nothing about Delaney and care less.

    But the answer to Warren’s tweet is that trying to implement fantastical utopian plans leads to immense human suffering. See the Soviet Union and Venezuela as examples.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  44. Actually, CNN torpedoed Delaney themselves when they prefaced a question to him reminding viewers of his estimated net worth of $65 million. That sunk The Bald One.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. 13. I noticed that Amy Klobuchar didn’t answer the question:

    .” Who on this stage is making promises just to get elected?

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  46. Yeah cause it was bait to get her to attack somebody. Imagine, taking the high road and declining to “pwn” somebody. It’s one reason she doesn’t stand a chance.

    JRH (52aed3)

  47. Except she did– w/that ‘zinger.’

    I will leave it to others to speak for the target audience.

    harkin (92ce59)

  48. before you know it they will deem any reference to any center right candidate, verboten,

    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/07/31/atlantic-unearths-new-audio-claims-ronald-reagan-racist/

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. david axelrod seems to be at odds with his former boss’s aspirations,

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. 48. I can see why Reagan was PO’ed but calling black people monkeys is racist. Another example of how Nixon did nobody any favors taping everything.

    JRH (52aed3)

  51. The Racist Reagan, courtesy of himself, The Big Dick and America’s National Archives…

    https://www.nypost.com/video/ronald-reagans-racist-phone-call-with-richard-nixon-unearthed-from-1971/

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. notice how they were not interested at all about biden’s actual alliance, with eastland, when he was (redacted) vice president for eight years, and he said ‘you will be in chains’ re romney, that’s why I can’t take the outrage machinery seriously, specially since sheriff joe, looked over the stimulus so well,

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. @51, In fact, he did every living American at the time a great a favor; the tapes exposed him for what he really was and forced him to resign. Those enablers who suffer collateral damage deserve it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. @53. Nobody’s much interested in his eight stagnant years as a standing warm bucket of piss.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. And so the stoop-shouldered, meandering Joey-Bee shuffles on to the Fox Theatre stage before CNN cameras. The skin on his face glistening like Saran Wrap pulled tightly over a doll head. Still time to make the Early Bird special before debate time, Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. @5. ‘I could see Reagan saying something like that in 1980…’

    See #33.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. Gosh, DCSCA, you think Biden’s gonna end up like Brits Ian Cognito or Tommy Cooper?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  58. 22. Richard M. Nixon was every Democrat’s wet dream candidate. He signed the OSHA and EPA into existence, among several other alphabet agencies. His fall from grace was engineered by the Dems (and abetted by his fellow Republicans) for the outing of Alger Hiss.

    Gryph (08c844)

  59. In many ways, the Trump presidency is the Spiro Agnew presidency that never was.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  60. remember when we thought a few inducements from milk producers were a big thing, oh how naïve we were, of course, this paved the way for impeachment, for Edward levi to dismantle most of the intelligence infrastructure, for bill Colby to go on confession binge,

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. delaney is a rich dilitant punk warren let him know it. the democratic base wants revenge not rich boy bullish*t from him or that starbucks punk.

    lany (1d7760)

  62. Recall that for decades Bernie Sanders has been a declared Socialist.
    Recall the 2006 movie IDIOCRACY? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

    He was allowed in the Dem party and to run as a candidate in the 2016
    Dem presidential primary.

    The Dem party has lurched Left with Bernie.

    Last night debate can be summed up as the 2006 movie IDIOCRACY. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

    Recall the book LIFE: THE MOVE – How Entertainment Conquered Reality (1998)
    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Movie-Entertainment-Conquered-Reality/dp/0375706534

    Well that sums up too much of America.

    Recall Elizabeth Warren claimed that she a Native American.

    I do not believe that in the three (3) Dem debates(?) that have taken place, there has
    been mention that our National Debt is approaching $23 TRILLION. Smart money says
    it won’t happen tonight either. (The Repubs give lip service, but spending and the debt
    just keeps going up under them too.)

    WE are/were supposed to have a limited government. The fed government is a cancerous behemoth
    ever metastasizing. Anymore – it does almost everything – except the core functions set forth in the Constitution. Recall a gov’t of express & limited powers?

    For about four (4) decades we/our gov’t (all 3 branches) have been deceitful, duplicit and derelict in our efforts to stop illegal immigration and secure the border. Recall 9-11 spawned Homeland Security, the TSA and the NSA given carte blanche to gather almost all of our information and spy on us. Now there is the NSA’s Utah Data Center. https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3270149&itype=CMSID See PLyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982) – 5/4 USSC decision that opened the floodgates for illegal immigration and denied Texas the natural law remedy of self-help, despite all 3 branches conceding their decades of dereliction of duty.

    We were supposed to have a Constitution and the Rule of Law. Clapper under oath lied to Senate. Nothing happened to him. Brennan admitted that his CIA spied on the Senate. Nothing happened to him. Hillary Clinton destroyed 33,000 emails while under a subpoena for those documents. Nothing happened to her. The Epstein 2008 fed plea deal (Florida’s almost as bad). Sandy Berger went to the National Archives (to gather copies of documents/information for the 9-11 Commission re the Clinton administration handling of Osama Bin Laden), and on 2-3 occasions took original documents (as well as copies) and stuffed them down his pants, weaseled them out of the Archives and then destroyed them. He received no jail time – he was prosecuted(?) by James Comey. Then there is the Deep State/Shadow gov’t plot to spy on and prevent Donald Trump from becoming the nominee, then president and to remove his from office. Followed by the embarrassing Mueller Report.

    Any doubters remaining? See U.S. v. Edwin P. Wilson, 289 F.Supp..2d 801 (USDC-SD, Texas, 2003) and Angelo M. Codevilla’s “America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution”, American Spectator, July/August Issue 2010.
    https://acrosssthestars.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/codevilla-americas-ruling-class-and-the-perils-of-revolution.pdf.

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. Instead, we have been amusing (and fooling) ourselves.
    AMUSING OURSELVES TO DEATH: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business (1985) by Neil Postman. Penguin Books, Inc.,1985 https://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-neil-postman/dp/B000H1M5GE

    Tolerating lies and liars – has become America’s biggest problem. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e)

  63. Warren: “I don’t understand why anyone goes to all the trouble of running for the president of the United States to talk about what we really can’t do and shouldn’t be fighting for.”

    Rational Human: “Because when the presidency has already wildly exceeded the constitutional limits of its authority – the limits explained by great philosophers and actualized by great statesmen to define the difference between a free republic and a tyranny – the ONLY acceptable presidential candidate is the one who has the courage and humility to talk about what the president can’t and shouldn’t do, rather than joining the rest in drooling like a rabid animal about how much further and faster he can take the country along the path to progressive totalitarianism.”

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  64. “the ONLY acceptable presidential candidate is the one who has the courage and humility to talk about what the president can’t and shouldn’t do”

    ” “I can do whatever I want as President” – Donald Trump

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  65. The problem with Williamson is that she is a philosophical anti-materialist, which is fine in a spiritual advisor but a real problem in a presidential candidate.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  66. This, and “I wrote the d*** bill” were the two best single lines of the night.

    Buttigieg is the only one of the ten from yesterday that strikes me as being truly charismatic, although Bernie has his moments (it’s a very different kind of charisma).

    I can see Williamson running a cult, though, which requires its own kind of charisma.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  67. Yes, Davethulhu (#69), both “major” parties, along with all “minor” parties, are guilty of the same criminal neglect of the principles of limited government. Trump is no better than Warren and the other Dems. Hence my ascription of my hypothetical response to Warren to a “Rational Human.” I’m imagining there might be a such a person out there, though it goes without saying that person will be neither a Democrat nor a Republican.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  68. “I’m imagining there might be a such a person out there, though it goes without saying that person will be neither a Democrat nor a Republican.”

    Someone much like you, I imagine. And truly only capable of implementing ‘rational’ policies in a dictatorship.

    It’s extremely hard to muster any sympathy for Delaney for trying to play the ‘responsibility’ and ‘common sense’ card in a party that’s been leading the “no limit identity politics” charge since the Obama years. Neither parasites nor criminals have any incentive to call for restraint in the acquisition and dispensation of Other People’s Money, they’re simply permanent victims of (“structural racism”/normal people not wanting to be associated with them/mean Presidential jokes), you see, and can’t be held responsible for any of the times they actually held power.

    Really they haven’t had much of a place for Aged Persons of Pallor in their ground-floor recruiting for a while now, outside of possibly the white rich kids who get the lefty bizzaro intersectional equivalent of military school or team sports by playing at antifa in the off seasons. But for the rest, as far as white people go, it’s your money, their message, and while ‘hates whites and cops’ angle plays well with the clever college set, it really doesn’t resonate with them what got families and futures and honorable middle class existences to build.

    The last few months of the Hillary campaign did its best to talk about how they totally respected Reagan, too, I guess the whole ‘pretend to be center-right’ thing didn’t go over well with the Squad this time around. It’s hard for actual racists to keep pretending to love all people, it’s hard for enthusiastic Communists to pretend to be concerned about RUSSIAN INFLUENCE, it’s hard for Jacobins to maintain the ‘principled anti-war stance’ when there’s a Democrat in office. More than a year and the mask rots clean off.

    Coonman Reagan (2792be)

  69. @ Coonman Reagan (#73): I think you missed my point. I am not proposing a “rational dictator.” I am suggesting that there is no one in either major party who does not assume quasi-dictatorial powers as a minimal pre-requisite for running for office. The “rational human” to whom I referred in my original comment (#68) would be a person who, unlike Warren and all the rest, believes that the only worthy presidential candidate would be one who believed that it is precisely the job of a U.S. President to focus on what a president “can’t” and “shouldn’t” do.

    Of course Delaney is not such a person. No one currently holding or running for office in the United States Federal Government is such a person.

    Daren Jonescu (2f5857)

  70. Yes Hillary was a fan of Carl oglesby sds guru that wanted to de nazify america.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  71. Re #69 – “I do not believe that in the three (3) Dem debates(?) that have taken place, there has
    been mention that our National Debt is approaching $23 TRILLION. Smart money says
    it won’t happen tonight either. (The Repubs give lip service, but spending and the debt
    just keeps going up under them too.)”

    Follow up. CNN Debate Moderators Ask Zero Questions About National Debt
    https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/07/31/cnn-debate-national-debt-questions/

    False promise & Fairy tale economics continue = no reality, no real solutions = Fake News. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e)

  72. #62 — I would like to see Trump trying to spit out “nattering nabobs of negativism”

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  73. “Nasty no-boobies Nancy.”

    nk (dbc370)

  74. False promise & Fairy tale economics continue = no reality, no real solutions = Fake News. GLZ.

    Maybe they took Trump at his word when he promised to eliminate the national debt completely in eight years by reducing the trade deficit with China.

    Now *that’s* fact-based economics!

    Dave (1bb933)

  75. 52: Now do JFK, RFK and LBJ.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  76. 61: For all his faults–minor compared to people we have now–Nixon was the LAST president to try and stop the spending (till the GOP was clobbered in 1970 midterms). He slid us OUT of Vietnam, a war he did not start.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  77. 77: Or “effete corps of impudent snobs”? YES!

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (6b1442)

  78. Buttigieg is the sort of Christian who thinks he can judge other’s godly ways.

    He ain’t. No man is.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  79. Buttigieg is no Christian at all except in the sense of “even demons believe in Him”.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. The demons find him a paradox, he knows one line from leviticus.

    Narciso (72d34b)

  81. I can see why Reagan was PO’ed but calling black people monkeys is racist.

    Don’t agree. “Racist” means that persons of a particular race are treated as inherently inferior, generally for genetic reasons.

    In context, he was saying they are primitives:

    The day after the United Nations voted to recognize the People’s Republic of China, then–California Governor Ronald Reagan phoned President Richard Nixon at the White House and vented his frustration at the delegates who had sided against the United States. “Last night, I tell you, to watch that thing on television as I did,” Reagan said. “Yeah,” Nixon interjected. Reagan forged ahead with his complaint: “To see those, those monkeys from those African countries—damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Nixon gave a huge laugh.

    That’s not racism. Offensive, certainly, but there are lot’s of offensive things that are not racist.

    Reminds me of the famous statement that Benjamin Disraeli made in response to an anti-semitic speech in Parliament:

    Yes, I am a Jew, and while the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon.

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