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7/18/2019

GOP Congressman: ‘I’m A Person of Color’, ‘Time To Stop Fixating On Our Differences’

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:08 am



[guest post by Dana]

This happened while the House was considering a resolution to condemn Trump’s weekend tweets:

Ahead of Tuesday’s House vote to condemn as racist recent tweets by President Donald Trump about four Democratic congresswomen of color, a white Republican congressman asserted that he is a “person of color.”

“I think we’re going way beyond the pale right now. They talk about people of color. I’m a person of color. I’m white. I’m an Anglo-Saxon,” Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., said in an interview with Vice News on Tuesday. [“People say things all the time, but I don’t get offended,” Pennsylvania GOP Rep. Mike Kelly told VICE News before the blowup over Pelosi’s comments. “‘With a name like Mike Kelly you can’t be from any place else but Ireland.’”]

Kelly did not walk back his comments Wednesday, but instead said “It’s time to stop fixating on our difference.”

“My broader point in the five-minute long exchange was apparently lost, so let me say it again,” Kelly said in a statement to the Washington Post. “It’s time to stop fixating on our differences — particularly our superficial ones — and focus on what unites us.

“Attempts by Democrats and the media to divide and define us by race are harmful to our nation’s strength. We need to elevate our level of discussion, and I believe most Americans agree,” he concluded in the statement.

–Dana

119 Responses to “GOP Congressman: ‘I’m A Person of Color’, ‘Time To Stop Fixating On Our Differences’”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (bb0678)

  2. His color should be red. But GOP politics these days requires a lack of shame, so he’s probably as pasty faced as he has always been.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  3. He’s right, in the same sense that JFK was right when he said “Ich bin ein Berliner!”

    Too many people, from the Left to the President, are trying to tear this country into ethnic factions, then form those back up into uncritical “us versus them” coalitions. It’s been going on for years, but nothing like now and it will kill us. The day will come when we must come together to survive, and we won’t be able to any more.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  4. Well said, Kevin M.

    DRJ (15874d)

  5. Were there any “Scanners” episodes with the media when they heard what Kelly had said?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. I’m not trying to redefine your comment, Kevin M, but it reminded me of this:

    So what happens if, in October 2020 the sitting commander in chief refuses to say that he will abide by the results of the election?

    What happens if the election is close and Trump loses and then, the sitting president of the United States says that the results are fraudulent and that in reality he won the popular vote?

    None of this requires any imagination or extrapolation. This isn’t a thought experiment. We’re only using things he’s already said and done in the same context.

    What happens then?

    We have told ourselves not to worry, that Mitch McConnell and the other grownup Republicans would step in, that this would not become a partisan fight. That elected Republicans would have no trouble separating owning the libs from protecting the Constitution. Even if it meant ultimately paying some price.

    The scariest thing about Tuesday’s vote isn’t the racism. It’s the foreshadowing that if push comes to shove and we do wind up in a real-deal constitutional crisis, we will not be able to count on elected Republicans to do their duty.

    DRJ (15874d)

  7. I don’t understand the connection between the two comments, DRJ…

    Patricia (3363ec)

  8. ….so he’s probably as pasty faced…..”

    Would love to hear your description of someone with extra-dark skin.
    _

    We live in a time where people who sought to see the broader picture and come together as one by saying ‘All Lives Matter’ and reminding people of the philosophy of MLKjr were attacked as offensive representatives of the unwoke.

    It’s pure identity politics and the Balkanization of the USA., the Left has no interest in the brotherhood of man ( is that term offensive too?).

    harkin (f611c5)

  9. They said much the same thing about W and Obama, too. In fact, however, the closest we’ve come to that in modern times (not very close) has been Hillary’s constant suggestions that she really won.

    ——

    What would happen? If the Electoral College meets, votes and is certified by Congress, but the President refuses to give up power? The military has taken an oath to the Constitution, and against its enemies, foreign and domestic, as has every other official in the US government. I would expect them to honor their oaths.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  10. “I think we’re going way beyond the pale right now. They talk about people of color. I’m a person of color. I’m white.”

    I see what he did there.

    Pale-face funny. Scalp him last.

    Dave (1bb933)

  11. 6… heads will ‘splode!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  12. As long as we are talking electoral horrors, how about this one:

    Trump wins the electoral vote, as cast, but again narrowly loses the popular vote. Several blue states he wins decide to cast their electoral votes for the Democrat candidate instead since s/he “really won”. This changes the outcome at the Electoral College.

    Pick your sides.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  13. I put my faith and trust in the belief that around 95% of the adult population is smart enough to not give a deuce about any of this manipulation and attempts to put people at each other’s throats. This crap has become the lifeblood of the media operatives and some politicians.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. I have a dream… a dream where all this bullsh*t stops.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  15. So is Rep. Kelly offended that people assume he is Oirish, instead of WASP?
    Tucker C. and Roger Kimball had a far better take on it last night, but of course they are dark orange and pink respectively.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  16. Not allowed, only the guild preferred candidate, can win and then criticism is deemed illegal or by social sanction, if you think that’s out of bounds you haven’t been paying attention

    Narciso (c67b88)

  17. Kevin’s US VS THEM argument reminded me of that, Patricia, because the author of the quote worries that support for Trump no matter what he does — simply because you are on his team or tribe — can lead to a constitutional crisis if Trump loses the election.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. Ok, DRJ. I could be wrong but I don’t think his supporters would support him remaining in office in that scenario. And “send her back” is loutish and stupid but it’s not racist. Well, of course, everything is racist so maybe I’m wrong there too.

    I really like what Colonel Haiku said. It’s time for us to stop letting people manipulate us. I think that’s what Mike Kelly was saying too. AOC is not a person of color! She has black hair and very white skin. She could be Italian. Are they POC too?

    Patricia (3363ec)

  19. I liked him when he was making a case for the Empire, the j 20 riots, the assassination attempts on Scalise attacks on congressman in California and elsewhere

    Narciso (c67b88)

  20. Tell them about Grover Cleveland – girth and diet issues aside, that could still happen.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  21. Actually, Kevin, when JFK made that famous statement, he garbled his German. What he said to the German-speaking people was, “I am a jelly doughnut.”

    The Germans laughed, while the Americans cheered. It’s one of the most famous faux paus in history.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  22. Based on the scenarios proposed, I think we need to hope that Trump loses big, so that he will not have the ability to claim that the election was stolen from him.

    And, based on scenarios, Kevin M’s #9 is just as likely DRJ’s #6. Both are quite wrong, and will tear this country up. Funny thing is I can see #6 ending up with Trump out of power, but #9 somehow being allowed to stand.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  23. Patricia,

    I don’t know the Racist! rules now either and, to me, Kelly was trying to say “Let’s stop making everything about race because we are all some color.” But I am worried that Trump was right that his base would forgive or overlook anything, so the question is how big is his base?

    DRJ (15874d)

  24. Or President Tilden.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  25. Actually, Kevin, when JFK made that famous statement, he garbled his German. What he said to the German-speaking people was, “I am a jelly doughnut.”

    But if he had said something similar in Hamburg or Frankfurt, they would have eaten it up.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  26. 23. Big enough to get him elected at least once, probably twice. That’s what matters these days.

    Gryph (08c844)

  27. #23 Patricia,

    I don’t know the Racist! rules now either and, to me, Kelly was trying to say “Let’s stop making everything about race because we are all some color.” But I am worried that Trump was right that his base would forgive or overlook anything, so the question is how big is his base?

    DRJ (15874d) — 7/18/2019 @ 7:34 am

    Trump’s base is pretty large I would think.

    However, if he loses in 2020, the scaremongering that he wouldn’t step down is simply inane.

    whembly (fd57f6)

  28. Hmmm…his base also reveres the constitution so that’s why I think it’s not a big worry, DRJ.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  29. He was the sensible candidate, he had terrible luck in 1893, though.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  30. 24…if the ending of Reconstruction was necessary for Hayes to be selected, what’s either side’s “quid” for their candidate to be selected in a brokered EC?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  31. I hope so, Patricia, but the Emollients Clause is part of the Constitution, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  32. @3

    Well-said Kevin.

    The Democrats were doing this for a long time, and the GOP (to its credit) resisted them.

    No, the GOP wasn’t perfect, but it tried to do what was best for the country more often than not.

    Now, under Trump, the GOP is trying to outdo the Democrats in their iniquity and hatefulness.

    I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
    – A. Lincoln, first inaugural

    Lincoln’s optimism proved unjustified. And we have no Lincolns now. “The better angels of our nature” are being drowned out by the worst. I hope I don’t live to see it, but I fear we’re headed for very dark times.

    Dave (1bb933)

  33. Emoluments.

    DRJ (15874d)

  34. I will be moderately surprised if he is capable of repeating the oath of office on January 20, 2020.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. He was the sensible candidate, he had terrible luck in 1893, though.

    He was 7 years beyond caring in 1893.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  36. DRJ, Trump’s cult is actually very small, but his hold of the GOP is quite large.

    https://thebulwark.com/the-gops-surrender-to-trump-is-complete/

    https://thebulwark.com/the-cancer-is-spreading/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  37. The Left is trying to tear the country apart. They’ve been the aggressors and they ain’t stopping. You either give in to them, or you fight back. The RINO’s and Never_trumpers want to give in – because they’d “Rather be right, then be President” or as Bob Dole moronically put it “We need to win for the right reasons”. Sorry, I’m with Trump. We need to fight fire with fire. Playing little lord Fauntleroy may feel good, but it doesn’t stop the Left.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  38. Bulwinkle playing the spinal tap came, last seem with culture 11.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  39. I hope so, Patricia, but the Emollients Clause is part of the Constitution, too.

    The emoluments clause has nothing to do with Trump, unless you think that bookings at hotels are bribes in some way. Think more like a Secretary of State collection donations to her Foundation from those she favors.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  40. “I am a jelly doughnut.”

    The Germans laughed

    I always thought that was bit of an urban myth. “Berliner” is a pastry but it’s also the name for someone from Berlin (unless I’m wrong). If Angela Merkel said “I am a New Yorker,” we wouldn’t think she was accidentally calling herself a magazine.

    JRH (4c0aad)

  41. I know, DRJ, but the base did not go berserk with the emoluments case against him. They let the courts decide, which at this point is in favor of Trump.

    And Dave, back then they didn’t have a “Lincoln” either. The Lincoln back then was hated by the populace and the newspapers and just about everyone, mainly because of slavery and war issues. A student of mine wrote a paper on it, and the actual incitement against him was incredible. It’s no surprise he was assassinated; the newspapers seemed to want it. Only now do we realize his worth to the country. And in Wilson’s times we had bombs going off all over, even on Wall Street, killing many. Wilson put people in prison for being against the war and re-segregated the country. Now we hate Trump because…he defeated Hillary and is a vulgarian? And no doubt cheats on his taxes?

    No, these are not the worst of times. Except for the fact that our leaders (yes, like the Squad) are viciously anti-American. But that’s a philosophical argument, at least for now. I’m not going to call the crowd at the rally philosophers, but their retort was not racist either.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  42. Not sure about the jelly-doughnut part, but the correct way to say “I’m from Berlin” in German is

    “Ich bin Berliner”

    not

    “Ich bin ein Berliner”

    Dave (1bb933)

  43. “And we have no Lincolns now.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2019 @ 7:51 am

    I guess that means habeas corpus is safe.

    Munroe (0b2761)

  44. https://www.npr.org/2011/07/06/137621988/a-yacht-a-mustache-how-a-president-hid-his-tumor

    http://ahsl.arizona.edu/about/exhibits/presidents/cleveland

    Incidentally they cured it, but they moght not have done that sixty years later. Surgery went out of style. he was somewhat debilitated and lost much of his old energy, and maybe his thinking ability, and suffered some loss of hearing, and that remained for the remainder of his term (and longer?) He stuck with a policy that wasn’t working.

    Grover Cleveland ran in 1892 against the tariff, but all this becme irrelevant atfter the A{anic of 1893.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)

  45. Ask the detainees at Guantanamo.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. When the times derides NASA because it was Two white and Male a radio station cannot make an innocuous reference to von braun, in a feature piece.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  47. Patricia, of course Lincoln, like all politicians, had opponents. And for much of his first term, the Union was suffering frequent military reverses due to incompetent generals, for which Lincoln was inevitably, but unfairly, blamed.

    But he won re-election by landslide in 1864, running against a man who was portrayed as a war hero.

    (His opponent, McClellan, although not a draft-dodger, coward or traitor like Trump, shared several of his other negative attributes – serial dishonesty, narcissism and a persecution complex).

    Dave (1bb933)

  48. Since we’ve switched to linguistics … Berkeley is proud to announce that Newspeak is here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-more-manholes-berkeley-california-removes-all-gendered-language-city-n1031131

    nk (dbc370)

  49. Sammy, good post at #45 – when its all said and done, I think the rationale behind the Pence pull-back from New Hampshire on July 3rd /4th is going to be revealed as President Trump having a procedure like a colonoscopy or endoscopy, or perhaps a secret surgery such as mentioned in the link.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)


  50. Berliner” is a pastry but it’s also the name for someone from Berlin (unless I’m wrong).

    The issue was that Kennedy didn’t say “Ich bin Berliner,” the commonidiom, but “Ich bin ein Berliner,” and supposedly the indefinite article put a whole different meaning on the noun. I’ve read that German people didn’t all think it was an error, though.

    Radegunda (f133c3)

  51. You all watching from a mirror universe:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kdrum/status/1150975489181409280

    Narciso (c67b88)

  52. McClellan was a traitor. In wartime. He did his best to throw the war to the Confederacy. But he enjoyed the protection of the military and bureaucratic Deep State which Lincoln had inherited (and that would have sent Trump back to Aberdeen crying for his mommy).

    nk (dbc370)

  53. He’s right that we should “stop fixating on our differences”, he’s stupid in saying that he’s a “person of color” and he’s wrong that’s just “Democrats and the media” who are being divisive on race.

    Paul Montagu (dbd3cc)

  54. Johnny One Note…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. Now I don’t take Kevin drum seriously, but others for reasons passing understanding do.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  56. so the question is how big is his base?

    In one of Allahpundit’s articles this week, he noted that “Trump’s base won him the election in 2016″ is another myth.

    One example he cited was Michigan, where exit polls showed that 20% of voters didn’t like Trump OR Clinton. And those voters broke 60-40 for Trump on election day, which is how he carried the state.

    The Russians will no doubt be able to do more for him in 2020, but it still seems unlikely that his cult base will be enough.

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. I don’t want to argue with you, Dave, but the hatred started before the war. I only mention it because it balances out the idea that we are in some kind of unique American hell today.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/408154-critical-history-presidents-trump-lincoln-endure-the-same-political

    Patricia (3363ec)

  58. Trump could use an Anti-Emollient Clause. His skin is already too thin.

    Paul Montagu (dbd3cc)

  59. Good one, Paul. :)

    Patricia (3363ec)

  60. McClellan was a traitor. In wartime. He did his best to throw the war to the Confederacy.

    I’ve read dozens of books on the Civil War, and I’ve never seen any evidence presented that McClellan tried to lose while he was in command. He was just incompetent in many (but not all) areas.

    In particular, he was convinced that the Confederates massively outnumbered him, when in fact the opposite was true. He therefore took Lincoln’s refusal to send him even more troops and orders to attack as setting him up for failure and scapegoat status.

    Like Trump, his only consideration was how things affected him and his reputation/brand, so he wouldn’t have tried to lose, because it would have made him look bad.

    McClellan did a good job of training the Union army though, and he is generally credited with helping win the war by doing that.

    Dave (1bb933)

  61. The other side wants to abolish the republic and with national popular vote amnesty and indoctrination they are well on the way.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  62. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/18/2019 @ 8:23 am

    Those sort of things are usually scheduled far enough ahead that Pence would not have needed to cancel his NH appearance at the last minute.

    Kishnevi (b66096)

  63. Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2019 @ 8:47 am

    Little Mac was fairly open about negotiating an end to the war if he had been elected. Negotiating would of course meant allowing the Confederacy to be independent.

    Kishnevi (b66096)

  64. nk, since 1815. A timeless gem.
    http://royalaberdeengolf.com

    mg (8cbc69)

  65. I just noticed this:

    I’m an Anglo-Saxon,” Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., said in an interview with Vice News on Tuesday.
    ….
    “‘With a name like Mike Kelly you can’t be from any place else but Ireland.’”

    You are also ignorant enough to be a Trump supporter. The English are Anglo-Saxons. The Irish are Celts. Or Gaels, which is the same thing. Go to Dublin and say the Irish are Anglo-Saxons. I dare you. I double dare you.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Little Mac was fairly open about negotiating an end to the war if he had been elected.

    No doubt about that. After he was removed from command, his (Trumpian!) thinking was: if I, the greatest military genius anywhere, couldn’t win the war, then certainly nobody else would be able do it either, and continuing the bloodshed without hope of victory is senseless.

    But there is extensive correspondence with his wife from the time he was actually in command, and he never talked about letting the Confederates win. Indeed, he had the perfect opportunity in 1862, the first time Lee invaded the north, but for the first, last and only time, he actually defeated him…

    Negotiating would of course meant allowing the Confederacy to be independent.

    Yes, although Lincoln talked about going balls-to-the-wall to win the war at any cost before Inauguration Day, if he were to lose the election. He almost did it anyway.

    Dave (1bb933)

  67. @66. Uh, Stephen Colbert’s Irish blood ws up over that so he tagged and bagged Kelly the Mick on the error of his Anglo-Saxon ways and means in his Wednesday, July 17 night monologue.

    You can bet your Lucky Charms it was hilarious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. That is excellent, Paul 58. I was irritated with Auto-Correct but now I am glad it happened because it gave us that great quip.

    DRJ (15874d)

  69. ^#67 for nk’s #66. Typo.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. ^65. Oops.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. LOL, good catch nk.

    I’ve never been to Ireland, but I know it would be a very unhealthy thing to say in Scotland.

    Dave (1bb933)

  72. @37. Meh. Seems you don’t know your left from your right. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Oh good, that evil Rep. Mike Kelly was put in his place!

    Jeez…

    Patricia (3363ec)

  74. Humor is not only dead, its gone zombie,

    Narciso (c67b88)

  75. @47. The ‘Times’ derided Goddard, too.

    50 years ago they printed an apology.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. @73. Yes, and it took another Irishman, not an Anglo-Saxon, to do it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. Camelbert one of Stewart’s more unctuous minions (probably huguenot)

    Narciso (c67b88)

  78. @40. Nobody could hear any laughter; drowned out by the cheers and applause.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  79. @15. See #67. for ‘best take.’ Find it on YouTube. Hilarious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. If the Alexandria shooter had killed Scalise and another congressman would the media have cared, or just moved on, I really wonder.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  81. So DCSA do you think you are helping or hurting the country by your always expressive contempt for Trump and his minions?

    Patricia (3363ec)

  82. Re Jon Stewart, what’s Rand Paul’s endgame in holding up the 911 Responder’s Assistance Funding (may have the proper title wrong, if so I apologize). Stewart’s testimony has been the only thing my Trump-humping cousin has given someone from the other time proper credit on.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  83. Narciso at #80, I just think they’re relieved that old bearded white men as opposed to POC (and them I am tasered for using a now-prohibited label) are taking on that grim work.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  84. @81. Contempt? Kelly’s self-inflicted goof was hilarious. Always salute our Captain, Patricia. Best show in years; remember, in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. I remember when rat droppings like Colbert were properly denounced here for defaming the tea party, but everything’s up for grabs.

    Narciso (c67b88)

  86. You’re no better than them, DC. Standing in the cheap seats, screaming.

    And with that I’m out. I respect the blog hosts so I usually don’t comment on these subjects so enough.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  87. @86. For better or worse, it’s all about the ratings, ‘Patty’ — or is it ‘Paddy,’ given the topic of the thread. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. Patricia,

    DCSCA can speak for himself but I think he opposes conservatives and likes anyone (such as Trump) who helps undermine conservatism. He finds Trump useful in that goal, as well as entertaining.

    DRJ (15874d)

  89. And yet when conservative goals are achieved

    Narciso (c67b88)

  90. Watch the July 17 opening monologue and see Kelly skewered about 5 minutes in.

    Hilarious.

    https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. “In fact, however, the closest we’ve come to that in modern times (not very close) has been Hillary’s constant suggestions that she really won.”

    – Kevin M

    Pretty sure that Bush v. Gore came way, way closer to that crisis than any of Hillary Clinton’s whining.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  92. Good point, Leviticus.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. Latest WH Oval video airing now on CNN; Trump disavows ‘Send her back!’ chants.

    Is he wearing pants today?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. Trump on CNN re- chant: “I was not happy with it… I suggest you go there [Carolina] and ask them about it…”

    CNN reports bluntly: “He’s lying.”

    Hilarious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. Latest WH Oval video airing now on CNN; Trump disavows ‘Send her back!’ chants.

    We know how this plays out.

    1) Trump says/does something indefensible
    2) Aides convince him he f’ed up
    3) Goes on teevee to issue insincere apology and deny doing what he did
    4) Sees people on FoxNews saying he caved to pressure
    5) Goes back on teevee, repeats/defends what he originally did, then says/does something even worse

    Dave (1bb933)

  96. His opponent, McClellan, although not a draft-dodger, coward or traitor like Trump

    But he was a coward, and maybe a traitor. He refused to attack Lee for months and months, always claiming he didn’t have enough resources, all the while Lee was frantically raising and training an army. McClellan could have ended the war in 1961 had he been willing to move, but he dawdled and dawdled until Lincoln replaced him with someone who would act. By then, Lee had an army.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  97. nk (#49)

    “The effort was spearheaded by City Council member Rigel Robinson.”

    No doubt to be known forthwith as “Rigel Robinschild”

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  98. Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  99. Yes, although Lincoln talked about going balls-to-the-wall to win the war at any cost before Inauguration Day, if he were to lose the election. He almost did it anyway.

    At the point things were in March 1865, the North would have won no matter who took office. Consider that Reconstruction happened despite President Johnson who could only hinder it. We missed a much better resolution of racial relations in this country by ONE Senate vote.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  100. 50 years ago they printed an apology.

    The Times did no such thing. They printed a retraction, but did not apologize.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  101. @95. A tried and true formula, Dave. Kept JR Ewing on the TeeVee for 13 seasons; likely will keep The Donald on for 8.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. @100. Same difference.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. Pretty sure that Bush v. Gore came way, way closer to that crisis than any of Hillary Clinton’s whining.

    Point taken. And Gore’s leading the defense of the Electoral College in Congress’ acceptance of the results was a class act.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  104. @102, no it isn’t.

    If I say that “DCSCA eats kittens”, then later retract it, that is not an apology. An apology would contain some statement of remorse for the error.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  105. @100. Postscript:

    When The NY Times Apologized To Robert Goddard – Kiona N. Smith, Forbes, July 20, 2018

    https://www.realclearscience.com/2018/07/20/when_the_ny_times_apologized_to_robert_goddard_282082.html

    Do have a nice day.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. @104. Yes. It is.

    Do have a nice day.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. But the apology never made it to Goddard because it had no atmosphere to push against.

    nk (dbc370)

  108. @107. He was unavailable for comment. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. @34. nk- for the legal eagle in you: suppose he put his hand on a Bible and played an audio tape of himself reciting the oath from 1/20/17– would that be kosher for the 21st century or a betrayal to the 18th century Founders– while likely amusing Franklin?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. the Guggenheim foundation, set him up in new mexico, near white sands to continue his work

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. @110. Lindbergh took an interest as well- and, of course, Von Braun’s German group had a ‘standing order’ for Goddard’s patents.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. But he was a coward, and maybe a traitor. He refused to attack Lee for months and months, always claiming he didn’t have enough resources, all the while Lee was frantically raising and training an army. McClellan could have ended the war in 1961 had he been willing to move, but he dawdled and dawdled until Lincoln replaced him with someone who would act. By then, Lee had an army.

    The Union was already whipped at Bull Run in the summer of 1861, while under the command of General McDowell, and that’s what brought McClellan into the picture. He spent the rest of the year rebuilding and training the army, and putting the defenses of Washington in order, and by all accounts did an excellent job. I don’t think he could have ended the war in 1861.

    He relied on the Pinkertons for information about the size of the Johnston’s army (Lee didn’t take command until mid-1862, when Johnston was wounded), and from what I’ve read, they are the ones who gave him the grossly inflated estimates of Confederate strength. No doubt there was confirmation bias involved, but I’ve never read anything to suggest he didn’t sincerely believe he was heavily outnumbered.

    It was during the Peninsula campaign of 1862 (the idea of moving the army by water to the York peninsula was McClellan’s, and it was a brilliant one) that he really missed opportunities to end the war. Even then he was still in position to do so when Lee finally took over and sanded his d*ck.

    I loathe Little Mac, because he was an insolent, arrogant fool, but I don’t think he betrayed the country while in command.

    Dave (1bb933)

  113. Bigfooted JoeyBee responds…

    Remember Joe Biden?

    Me neither.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. I dunno… is it the custom in Somalia for a woman to marry her brother?

    I know Martha Lootin’ King – her words, not mine – wouldn’t approve.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/david-steinberg-tying-up-loose-threads-in-the-curious-case.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. “I’ve read dozens of books on the Civil War, and I’ve never seen any evidence presented that McClellan tried to lose while he was in command. He was just incompetent in many (but not all) areas.”

    One of my US History profs was kind of fascinated by McClellan. He would’ve said GM’s driving forces were snobbery and political ambition. He ran as the Dem candidate against Lincoln but got less than 30% of the vote from his own Army Of The Potomac.

    Prof also said he was a brilliant man at organization who just had no clue how to lead in battle. He would probably also say his biggest contributions to the war were training and the McClellan saddle.

    Henry Fonda as Chester Nimitz laid it out briefly at about 1:30 in this scene from In Harm’s Way :

    https://youtu.be/yXzNQHNsQHk

    harkin (58d012)

  116. So 19 of the 22 under indictment for heinous murders, unspeakable medieval acts in SoCal are illegal aliens. Sure haven’t seen much media attention given to this, amongst all their anti-ICE and assistance given to evade authorities during round-ups.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  117. 115. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2019 @ 11:47 am

    dunno… is it the custom in Somalia for a woman to marry her brother?

    The oppositoopn to incest is universal, and it is probably illegal everywhere, and there are no signs of any move to change that – and opposition to cannabalism – at least for buying and selling body parts, seems to be holding up as well.

    What may be frowned upon is a woman lving together with a man she is not married to unless he is close relative. It is a possibility that she told some people that her husband (who was not the father of her children) was really her brother because she didn’t want to say she was divirced from her first husband, who, in fact she had never married, probably not even in a religious ceremony.

    There apparently are no documents claiming that the man she lived with for two years around 210 was her brother, (but there is the fact that, on Instagram, in 2015, both he and Ilhan Omar called the children of Ilhan’s Omar real sister their nieces. But that could be nbecause of the marriage. There is also the last name he used)

    She did marry him civilly.

    And then when they separated, and he went back to England, she never bothered to get a divorce until her political career was getting started.. Then she divorced him (civilly) and married her first husband civilly.

    She’s not at all a devout Muslim. Now she’s not going to say, if this is the case, that’s she’s the source of the rumor that the man who was her husband was really her brother.

    Re: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/david-steinberg-tying-up-loose-threads-in-the-curious-case.php

    This says something maybe a little bit different: Her family is a construct, and she is not related to all her “siblings”

    Now it is importrant to know they do DNA tests now and the overwhelming number of cases prove true) but I don’t know what was the situation in 1995.

    If what he is saying is correct, the proper way to understand it, is that her brother was not her brother on paper, and she wanted him to come over to help her take care of her children, since she was separated from their father, so she “married” her brother.

    It could be that some of her real siblings are not so on paper, but that she has a tenndency to forgest or ignores that and to identify at least a sister or two on social media, and even in apolice complaint as her sister.

    That her second husband was one of her real siblings doesn’t seem to be so clear. I mean he graduated High school in the United States, which doesn’t fit with the story that part of the family went to England. David Steinberg says her real brother came to the United States in 2002 (on what grounds? Exchange student?) and then returned to England. If he was her real brother, David Steinberg hasn’t yet put all the prices togther.

    Ilhan Omar is definitely hiding something. Records contradict each other. She pays minimal attentoon to legalities and is kind of careless. She even filed joint tax returns with a man who was not her husband in at least 2014 and 2015! (It’s more than one thing. Was that the father of her children?)

    And she’s probably subject to blackmail.

    David Steinberg writes also that she lied in an affidavit to get her divorce (go more smoothely and quickly, or maybe she didn’t want interference or perhaps he had married in England):

    On August 10, 2017, Ilhan swore under penalty of perjury — literally, she signed a half-inch or so under “penalty of perjury” — that she’d had zero contact with Ahmed Nur Said Elmi after June 2011.

    Further, Ilhan swore that she did not know where to find him, and that she did not know a single person who was likely to know his whereabouts. She did this to apply for a default divorce from Ahmed — a divorce where one spouse cannot be located and served.

    Now, a tremendous amount of evidence — from this article and our prior articles — shows that Ilhan perhaps perjured herself eight times with her nine answers…

    David steinberg says he has more evidence and sources have gotten threats from her campaign team.

    Something is very not right but we probably can tell that just from her political positions and statements. Yes, really that;s enough to go on.

    Something is very not right with the politics of that Congressional district, and there surely corruption is involved. The race issue just confuses things for people.

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)


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