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2/1/2019

Fallout From Democrat Effort To Change Virginia Abortion Law

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:51 am



[guest post by Dana]

The fallout from the Virginia abortion bill introduced by delegate Kathy Tran, and commented on by Gov. Northam, continues.

On Monday, Tran admitted that she was indeed changing the standards with her abortion bill.

On Thursday, Tran said otherwise:

David French, who read the actual text of the bill, noted how the bill’s passage would have changed current law:

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The bill reduces the number of doctors required to certify the alleged medical need for an abortion from three to one, and — critically — eliminates any required showing of severity before the doctor and mother can determine that the birth would impair her physical or mental health. Under the bill’s actual text, virtually any claim of impairment would suffice to meet the act’s requirements. Anxiety? Depression? The conventional physical challenges of post-partum recovery? Any of those things could justify taking the life of a fully formed, completely viable, living infant.

Yesterday Tran said that she “misspoke” when said her bill would allow third-trimester abortions for mental health reasons up to the point of birth:

“I wish that I was quicker on my feet and I wish that I was able to be more agile in that moment,” Tran, 41, a first-term Democrat from Fairfax County, said in an interview. “And I misspoke, and I really regret that.”

(In re-watching the original exchange between Tran and Todd Gilbert, Tran appears to me as being thoughtful, careful, and very deliberate when answering his questions…)

And in a “tightly-controlled” 10 minuted press conference, Gov. Northam also pushed back at critics of his comments addressing what would happen in the event of a post-birth abortion:

“I regret that those comments have been mischaracterized,” Northam said. “The personal insults toward me I really find disgusting.”

Oh, and something funny happened when Henry Rodgers, a reporter on Capitol Hill, approached 10 Democratic senators for reaction to the governor’s comments. What are the odds that every single one of them denied knowing anything about a huge news story taking place in a battleground state? Apparently, because they all live under a rock, the odds are much better than one would think. I’m going to publish the whole thread because it’s worth reading:

I just spoke with over 10 Democratic Senators in the past 2 hours. Not one of them would acknowledge @GovernorVA’s comments on late-term abortion. Everyone of them denied ever hearing them.

Sen. Widen on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I haven’t haven’t seen them.”

Me: “It was about late-term abortion.”

He walked away…
Sen. Manchin on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I haven’t seen anything. I’ve been in retreats. Obviously I just got out of a meeting.”

Kept walking…
Sen. Markey on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I don’t know what he said. I don’t know what he said.”

Walked away.
Sen. Leahy on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I have no idea what he said. I have no idea what happened there. I do follow the Governor of Vermont though, all the time.”
Sen. Reed on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I know what it is about. I have not listened.”

Me: So no comment?

No response…
Sen. Menendez on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

Claims he has not heard them.

“No,” he said in response to my question.

Capitol subway door then closed.
Sen. Coons on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I’m literally mid sentence talking to staff about the vote I have to take right now. Happy to talk to you soon.”

Me: So you haven’t heard them?

Coons: “I’ve been in a caucus retreat for two days.”
Sen. Bernie Sanders on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

Staffer: “He doesn’t have time for this right now.”

Me: We have plenty of time on this escalator right now.

Sanders & his staffer walk into elevator…
Sen. Chris Murphy on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

Denied hearing comments.

“I mean I’m pro-choice. I support Connecticut’s laws regarding choice. Connecticut is not talking about changing it’s laws.”

Wouldn’t say if he supported abortion up till the 9th month.
Sen. Van Hollen on @GovernorVA’s late-term abortion comments:

“I have not heard them actually. I have not.”

Me: Ok. You can’t say if you support late-term abortion or not?

Van Hollen: “I support Roe v. Wade. Ok. That’s the holding that I support.”

Finally, though, something good has come out of this dark two week period where U.S. politicians openly supported and cheered on the removal of protections for unborn babies to the point of birth: Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) announced he is fast-tracking his Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act:

Sasse announced on Thursday that he is beginning the Rule 14 process, which would bring the bill directly to the Senate floor and bypass the normal committee consideration of a piece of legislation. He said that he hopes his bill will be passed by a unanimous voice vote.

“On Monday evening, I’m going to be asking unanimous consent–for senators to come to the floor,” he said. “I’m going to ask all 100 senators to come to the floor and be against infanticide. This shouldn’t be complicated.”

“Let’s really be clear about what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about fourth-trimester abortion, or what anyone in the normal world calls ‘infanticide,’” said Sasse, in reference to Northam’s comments.

“This should be so far beyond any political consideration,” he said. “We’re talking about a tiny life that has done nothing wrong to warrant being left to die, cold and alone on a table.”

Sasse stressed that all of his colleagues should be able to say that killing a newborn baby is wrong, and that “this doesn’t take any political courage.”

“But if there is a member of this body that can’t say that, there may be lots of work that you can do in the world, but you shouldn’t be here. You should get the heck out of any calling in public life where you pretend to care about the most vulnerable among us.

More on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act:

The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Act would penalize doctors and medical professionals who do not provide medical care to infants who survive abortions. The bill is co-sponsored by more than three dozen Republican senators.

The House version of the bill was introduced by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), and has 131 co-sponsors, including one Democrat, Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-IL).

Although Sasse emphasized that a voice vote should not be complicated, there is a significant chance the bill will run into opposition. When the House of Representatives voted on their version of the bill in January 2018, all but five Democrats voted against it.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

22 Responses to “Fallout From Democrat Effort To Change Virginia Abortion Law”

  1. This:

    Cases where infants have survived late-term abortions are rare, but do occur. Pro-life activist Gianna Jessen was born in an abortion clinic following a failed saline abortion attempt when her mother was 30 weeks pregnant.

    In 2013, Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell was convicted of three counts of first-degree murder for killing babies who had survived abortion attempts at his clinic, as well as one count of involuntary manslaughter in the death of a patient who died of an overdose in 2009. He is now serving several life sentences.

    Dana (023079)

  2. It’s somewhat weird that with all of the various things that we have to argue about that Congress is going to go to the mattresses over abortion law (or at least the Senate will; no way Nancy Pelosi let’s this debate happen in the House), but I guess that’s what life in Washington, DC Anno Domini 2019 is like.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  3. Because there will be no legislation emerging from Washington on this matter, I would suggest that we just hereafter refer to Governor Gosnell of New York and Governor Gosnell of Virginia and move on. It goes without saying that California has long had Governor Gosnell serving in Sacramento.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  4. “i don’t know what all the fuss is about. I just meant to make a general pandering statement to abortion-rights advocates similar to the ones that members of my party have been making for almost 50 years. I didn’t mean for it to blow up into a huge debate about infanticide, and it’s your fault, not mine, that it did.”

    — Gov. Gosnell (VA)

    JVW (54fd0b)

  5. The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Act would penalize doctors and medical professionals who do not provide medical care to infants who survive abortions.

    this is all kinds of silly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. democrats to conservatives no more mr. nice guy (it didn’t work and our base repudiated us in 2016) the base wants post natal political abortions for conservatives! 90% of democrats say they would vote for alexandra ocasio-cortez if she was old enough. base to democrats shape up or ship out! get tough or get going democrat wimps!

    lany (b0ce86)

  7. this is all kinds of silly

    What, exactly, is silly? Is it silly that medical professionals be expected to provide medical care to living infants?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  8. i don’t think we need a law for that

    i think it’s just more sasse-style virtue-signaling twaddle-poop

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. i don’t think we need a law for that

    i think it’s just more sasse-style virtue-signaling twaddle-poop

    Do you think it’s okay that medical professionals withhold care from infants? Or do you think that medical professionals would never withhold care, and thus the law would be superfluous?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  10. It’s up to people to make their own best choices i think but if sasse’s law did anything it would be to make damn sure you never have a situation where a baby gets born alive during an abortion

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. 10. Try googling the name Gianna Jessen.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  12. It’s up to people to make their own best choices i think but if sasse’s law did anything it would be to make damn sure you never have a situation where a baby gets born alive during an abortion

    I don’t think this is about anyone’s choices. You can be pro-choice, and yet realize that if — against all odds — a fetus survives an abortion, that it is now a fully-birthed human being, and that depriving medical care is a criminal act.

    If you’re going to extend “choice” to include killing born and breathing infants, I would say that is inhuman beyond all reason.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  13. yeah but if anything that should just be a state law Mr. Bartowski

    there’s no rationale for federalizing this on america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. It was his medical school yearbook…

    Dave (1bb933)

  15. Bye bye Northram. And to think Bill Kristol donated to him.

    NJRob (5f2a1b)

  16. yeah but if anything that should just be a state law Mr. Bartowski

    there’s no rationale for federalizing this on america

    So, it’s okay in some states to withhold medical care from infants? What a novel concept.

    The argument goes that fetuses don’t have rights, because they’re not human beings, and they’re not human beings because they have not been born. But if a fetus is born, it becomes a human being, right? And as a human being, it has rights. So, a federal law insuring its rights isn’t beyond the pale.

    We have federal laws banning slavery. Are those wrong, too, because such a thing should be up to the states?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  17. 17. That’s the argument, but it doesn’t hold water. Courts at various levels have held that unborn babies can hold trusts, be a party to contracts, and inherit property. I would think that “personhood” is a necessary prerequisite to these legal concepts, but I’m not a lawyer; what do I know?

    Gryph (5efbad)

  18. @15. Northam a Welsh coal miner, too?

    Film at 11.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. nna-Lysa Gayle
    @ABC7Annalysa
    A spokesperson for @GovernorVA’s office says they do not have a statement at this time.
    __ _

    David Lee
    @dluongTech
    Are they consulting with ABC, NBC, CNN, and the DNC to hash out a response? Is the MSM strategizing a defense?
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    Elizabeth Harrington
    @LizWFB
    bold move coming out in favor of baby murder and black face/klan in one week
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    JJ ⭐️⭐️⭐️
    @Jonejam222
    Sounds like he would rather go back to his abortion problems
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    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    Somewhere right now there’s a guy thinking “Thank god I was just the guy in the Klan hood and can’t be identified”
    __ _

    Kyle Smith
    @rkylesmith
    “Dan, this Northam story just came in. I need you to clear 3 inches on page A17″ — NYT editor right now
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    Ben
    @BenHowe
    I‘m so excited for Matt Damon to play Northman on SNL.

    harkin (97db13)

  20. New post up about Northam’s yearbook photos…

    Dana (023079)


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