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3/29/2018

Cohen Lawyer: Cohen Paid Off Stormy Daniels Without Telling Trump

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am

Really? This is the defense now? That Michael Cohen settled a dispute on behalf of his client Donald Trump without … without informing the client?

This is like watching The Three Stooges, Law Edition. Trump is Moe, the guy with the bad haircut poking the other stooges in the eyes. (OK, Trump’s hair actually looks more like Larry’s, but somebody has to be The Leader.) Cohen and his lawyer David Schwartz are Larry and Curly, enduring Moe’s abuse and giving each other some nose honks and head conks along the way, as the Cycle of Stooge Violence plays out in front of our eyes.

Where to start with this?

We’re assuming, of course, that Cohen was acting as Trump’s lawyer in handling the Stormy Daniels matter. In that case, settling a dispute without telling the client — even a dispute in which no lawsuit had yet been filed — is basic legal malpractice. And Schwartz suggested that this happened all the time:

“Michael was the fixer. It could be anything. There were a ton of matters that took place that Michael fixed and Donald Trump wasn’t involved in every single matter,” Schwartz said. He then walked that back, saying he meant business problems in general, and suggesting that business leaders commonly have a fixer authorized to pay people off without their knowledge.

In addition to being malpractice, by the way, this position (if true) potentially vindicates Stormy Daniels’s claim that the agreement is invalid — since the agreement required Trump to agree. Meaning she can talk all the likes without monetary consequence.

But wait! It gets better! Now Cohen’s lawyer/spokeshole is saying Trump and Cohen didn’t even have a lawyer/client relationship. Just one problem there:

Exactly. So now Cohen can be subpoenaed and asked about his conversations with Trump — and it’s not privileged? Oh, sure, he’s willing to lie, but now all the emails are discoverable too.

If that’s the position Cohen and Trump actually take.

There’s really no scenario in which this plays out well for Cohen. We know that Robert Mueller is looking at some of Cohen’s involvement in Russia-related activities like Trump Tower Moscow. Mueller seems like a thorough guy, and if he runs across illegal activity by Cohen of any kind in the course of his investigation, he can at a minimum refer those matters to the Justice Department, and conceivably take them on himself.

Disbarment might be the least of Cohen’s worries at this point.

Hey, at least he has a good lawyer on board! (Rolls eyes.)

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

180 Responses to “Cohen Lawyer: Cohen Paid Off Stormy Daniels Without Telling Trump”

  1. So…why is the news covering Stormy Daniels? I haven’t been paying attention to this gossip saga. Hasn’t Trump been divorced like 5 times? No need to act like he’s an alter boy.

    The only relevant connection I’ve heard is that campaign funds may have been used to pay off Stormy for silence. Even Bill Clinton’s affair was covered under the context of his rape investigation, not because he had an affair.

    Dejectedhead (81690d)

  2. Greater love hath no attorney than he who throws away his license, his reputation, and possibly his freedom to provide his client with deniability about knowledge of a payoff to a hooker.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. True, nk. Wow.

    DRJ (15874d)

  4. There are no good lawyers. No eye roll.

    mg (9e54f8)

  5. I was waiting for this issue to come to the fore: the “attorney-client” vs. “agent-principal” vs. “two independent idiots” debate. Funny to watch Cohen’s lawyer step on his d*ck trying to tiptoe through that minefield. Must be an ethical nightmare, too, insofar as Cohen is apparently such a Trump zealot that he’s telling Schwartz to put a third party’s interests over Cohen’s own.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  6. Or maybe Cohen has done this so many times that he can’t risk not doing it again, or Trump will expose him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  7. Too many negatives in that sentance, literally and figuratively.

    DRJ (15874d)

  8. Lawyers and judges are the ones exposing this conduct, mg. Any credit for that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  9. I think the attorney-client privilege is preserved as to any communications between Cohen and Trump, though. All that is needed is that 1) Trump believed he was talking to his attorney and 2) the conversations were not about a future crime or fraud Trump intended to commit.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Josh Marshall, has he cut back on his pornhub subscription, you know research for this case?

    narciso (d1f714)

  11. “On March 17, ex-CIA Director John Brennan tweeted about the current president of the United States: “When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. . . . America will triumph over you.”

    That outburst from the former head of the world’s premier spy agency seemed a near threat to a sitting president, and former U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power tweeted that it probably was: “Not a good idea to piss off John Brennan.”

    If there is such a thing as a dangerous “deep state” of elite but unelected federal officials who feel that they are untouchable and unaccountable, then John Brennan is the poster boy. . . .

    Brennan is typical of the careerist deep state.

    Former National Security Advisor Susan Rice lied about the Benghazi tragedy, the nature of the Bowe Bergdahl/Guantanamo detainee exchange, the presence of chemical weapons in Syria, and her role in unmasking the identities of surveilled Americans.

    Andrew McCabe, recently fired from his job as FBI deputy director, openly admitted to lying to investigators, claiming he was “confused and distracted.” McCabe had said that he was not a source for background leaks about the investigation of the Clinton Foundation. He wrote in an op-ed for the Washington Post that “some of my answers were not fully accurate . . .”

    Former FBI Director James Comey likely lied about not drafting a statement exonerating Hillary Clinton of wrongdoing in her email scandal before interviewing her.

    Comey misled a FISA court by not providing the entire truth about the Steele dossier. He falsely assured the president that he was not under investigation while likely leaking to others that Trump was, in fact, under investigation.

    Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied under oath to the Senate Intelligence Committee when he said that the National Security Agency did not collect data on American citizens. When caught in the lie, Clapper claimed that he had given the “least untruthful” answer to the committee that he could publicly provide.

    In the past, Clapper had also misled the country about the “secular” nature of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood and the threat posed by the Islamic State.

    Note that Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and Rice so far have not been held to account for their distortions.

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/03/28/the-distortions-of-our-unelected-officials/

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  12. Now back to your regular programming…

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  13. Well there is that coronello:

    https://theblast.com/stormy-daniels-donald-trump-trial-denied/

    Brendan running interference for Qatari Iranian and even some folks from the kingdom warrant examination

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. The hunt for a Serious Man continuesszzzzzz

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  15. I think the attorney-client privilege is preserved as to any communications between Cohen and Trump, though. All that is needed is that 1) Trump believed he was talking to his attorney and 2) the conversations were not about a future crime or fraud Trump intended to commit.

    nk (dbc370) — 3/29/2018 @ 9:39 am

    Probably so as to everything but this payment. The payment and anything relating to it would not, but Cohen will probably say there were no communications between him and Trump about payments or Trump refused to pay her. Wouldn’t that add an interesting wrinkle?

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. Isn’t that what Cohen is saying? That there were no communications between him and Trump about payments? That he “fixed” it without telling Trump?

    nk (dbc370)

  17. Avenatti doesn’t seem the swiftest knife in the drawer either, so is he a back up stooge?

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. DRJ – Ill take your profession seriously when the Clintons are in orange jumpsuits walking to the gallows.

    mg (9e54f8)

  19. I gotta say … Trump does sleazy well.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. If Trump didn’t know about the payments, and there were never any conversations between Trump and Cohen about the payments, then Trump could never have paid Cohen back for the payments. Doesn’t this put Cohen squarely in the crosshairs of a criminal indictment, if DOJ can convince a grand jury that Cohen probably made this payment (three weeks before the general election) to help Trump’s campaign?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  21. “Michael Cohen settled a dispute on behalf of his client Donald Trump”

    What “dispute” was there at the time? One side paid the other to keep quiet. Was that a settlement of a dispute or just a payoff?

    If I pay a plumber $500 to fix my toilet, is that settling a dispute?
    If my lawyer pays a plumber $500 to fix my toilet, is he ethically obligated to tell me?

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  22. And rice isrewarded with a directorship at netfliks, recall they made ndas rain like confetti to secure the film narrative, we have still rarely seen stillz from the dso feed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. If I were Mueller, I’d delve into the Trump businesses for other instances of “fixing” and what kind of “fixes”. Like, for example (really, just for example), sending a goon to threaten a woman in a Las Vegas parking lot.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Casino owner elected President. What did we expect?

    nk (dbc370)

  25. As you see, avenatti is a good extortionist.

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. “If my lawyer pays a plumber $500 to fix my toilet, is he ethically obligated to tell me?”

    – Bored Lawyer

    Why would your lawyer pay a plumber to fix your toilet? If he does it without telling you, is he acting as your lawyer? Is your lawyer exposing himself to criminal indictment and disbarment if he pays a plumber to fix your toilet without you paying him back? If so, is that circumstantial evidence that he did tell you, and that he did think you would pay him back?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  27. What Mueller’s handlers are really doing:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sfrantzman/status/979345081739202561?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. Now avenatti might find a judge who didn’t read the contract, as apparently josh ‘porn hub’ Marshall didn’t.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. roseanne got way better ratings than anderson cooper and the blackmailing hooker with the giant smelly sex boobies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Apparently, every lawyer’s a Torquemada, unless it’s one of their own…

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  31. oh

    and if dirty fbi slutboy Robert Mueller is actually spending for reals time and money sniffing around Stormy’s odiferous sex melons then his sleazy fbi witch hunt pretty much discredits itself anymore

    but i’ve seen a pic of his wife she looks like she likes her some sex boobies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. she has that same lesbian cougar vibe Eric Holder’s wife puts off

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Got pictures? The girl on girl ones I found are of Melania. Hmm. You think that maybe …?

    nk (dbc370)

  34. And notice that there’s a spanking, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. when i was a supermodel before i became the strong black woman i am today i certainly had my shared of lesbian adventure that’s for sure

    but it was always consensual and playful and stylish

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. So Luigi vercotti is not that clever.

    narciso (364166)

  37. Whereas Cheryl mills probably still holds a security clearance.

    narciso (364166)

  38. Here’s the other question. Why is Cohen feeding the flames by talking about this publicly? He has a case in court (two with the arbitration) and the only thing he should tell the media is the next court date. If that.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Who do you think fed the journal their tip, miss Cliffords camp.

    narciso (364166)

  40. Cohen sounds like the Alter Boy [sic] if you will.

    Melania divorces Trump

    Trump gay marries Cohen

    Games without Frontiers

    Pinandpuller (66ee51)

  41. Cohen sounds like a real estate management company.

    Pinandpuller (66ee51)

  42. The Stormy Daniels toilet got caulked but it never stopped leaking.

    Pinandpuller (66ee51)

  43. 130k buys a lot or caulk, believe me.

    Pinandpuller (66ee51)

  44. Got pictures? The girl on girl ones I found are of Melania. Hmm. You think that maybe …?
    nk (dbc370) — 3/29/2018 @ 10:46 am

    nk,

    I get it. You hate President Trump. I hope he is impeached, and soon. The disgusting comments about President Trump seem to be de rigueur here these days, so be it. Do you really have to bring Melania into it? Is everyone we don’t like fair game for disgusting comments and innuendo about their bodily fluids, sex life, and profession? If so, why don’t you go full happyfeet and talk about Barron or President Obama’s girls? Maybe some senator’s daughter? Are you going to draw a line somewhere?

    I’ll say this. You should never go full happyfeet. Right now, your comments have no credibility with me because I can’t unpack when you’re being serious or not. I miss that.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  45. obama’s girls never come up ever

    maybe you’re thinking of those skanky Bush girls cum trophy wives?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. There are reputation management professionals. Many billionaires, public figures, actors have them.

    It’s not unethical, nor out of the ordinary, for them to act unilaterally.

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  47. Perhaps I shouldn’t have injected myself into the equation. I just ran thru a three acre field of rakes.

    Pinandpuller (66ee51)

  48. hf,

    Even you shouldn’t go full happyfeet, but you know where your credibility is already. If it were up to me… but it’s not. Do you realize that behind your cutsie talk you generate actual hatred for not only you, but commenting here altogether? Never mind. Of course you do. You are no better than SJW’s shouting down conservative speakers. Which I believe is your intent.

    It’s disgusting on several levels.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  49. you seem a little overwrought this isn’t even a serious thread this is a stormy thread

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. Whatever you have to tell yourself to avoid feeling shame feets. As they say in 12-steps though, it only works if you let it. Take that how you will.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)


  51. It’s not unethical, nor out of the ordinary, for them to act unilaterally.
    EPWJ (8377cc) — 3/29/2018 @ 11:43 am


    It most certainly is unethical, EPWJ. They are subject to the same Christian based morality our entire society is there is no exception for wealth or fame. If anything they should be held at a higher standard as they are frequently help up as heros.

    That said, we all know Trumps moral shortcomings so the constant din about them is petty and redundant and has gotten to the point of absurd. Similarly, to disparage their wives and children is demeaning to the one who does it. You don’t beat up Melania because you hate Trump.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  52. Yeah, I’ve written this at least six times in a week and deleted it before submitting, but this one gets printed.

    Back to lurking and watching filters. This is getting too ridiculous again. Enjoy the pool, but take a thorough shower after you’re done.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  53. Actually, hf is about the only reason I read this place. That and the exploding heads. Politics is a vile business loved by people who deep down inside are vile themselves, just pretending to be polite. Which is why they make such a big deal about propriety and have such hair triggers on being offended. Hence its mostly lawyers/mountebanks who get into it. The desire to control others runs deep in such people.

    happy, do you comment elsewhere? I’d have a backup plan if I were you…

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  54. hey where you going I’m like the most conservative speaker left here anymore and i want you to stay

    it’s a lot of responsibility standing up for conservative values for example America and prosperity

    now I’m more alone than ever (I’m gazing pensively at an empty jet box as i write this)

    but engagement is so key (just so key)

    we have to explain about the conservative

    there’s a lot of people who say nonono let’s just elect democrats all up (like in Alabama) it will be so good

    but I say whoa

    hey now

    let’s discuss this

    other things i like about conservative are include reforming trade agreements and doing resource exploitation but NOT opioid crisis (fake news crisis)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. This is like watching The Three Stooges, Law Edition.

    No, this is like watching the The Three Stooges, Law Edition.

    as the Cycle of Stooge Violence plays out in front of our eyes.

    He’s a victim of circumstance!

    Dave (445e97)

  56. Rev Hoagie,

    I meant legally unethical. I cannot judge the morals of Trump, I can observe them, I can pray that he listens to his many spiritual advisors.

    He means well, and has done well. Many millions of downtrodden forgotten inner city and rural unemployed have hope, hope that comes from a filthy mouthed, womanizing brawler.

    Business finally had much of the choking yoke removed from their necks, they will hire, they will pay more.

    But hey, a lawyer, worth over a hundred million, owing much of that to the President, stamped out a fire, and just wait, wait till we find out that this was another Clinton Obama shot.

    Wonder why Hillary stopped campaigning and was taking a victory lap in the last 3 weeks?

    The Stormy was supposed to hit, whoops.

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  57. Fed judge denied Stormys motion, there will be no deposition.

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  58. hi Mr. Skorcher sometimes i comment at Mr. Instapundit’s place

    i like commenting and I like it when other people do comments too

    but some people are all hey happyfeet your comments are unsatisfactory you shouldn’t make those comments in the fashion that you make them

    and I just think to myself hey you do you

    cause we all have our point of view

    me and you and stormy too

    and though we bid one friend adieu

    a new one joins how do you do

    some stick around some just pass through

    the blog’s the pot they are the stew

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. Meanwhile:

    “It’s like when your old-a** parents are like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the f**king phone’ and you take it and you’re like, ‘OK, let me handle it,’ and you get it done in one second,” Hogg said. “Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government because our parents don’t know how to use a f**king democracy, so we have to.”

    David Hogg, spokesperson for the smart generation.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/03/23/parkland-survivor-david-hogg-our-parents-dont-know-how-to-use-a-fking-democracy-so-we-have-to-n2464031

    harkin (8256c3)

  60. Mueller, covered up murders by whitey bulgier, scapegoated hatfill for the anthrax attack wouldn’t investigate the Florida connection to 9/11 even ten years later.

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. DRJ – Ill take your profession seriously when the Clintons are in orange jumpsuits walking to the gallows.

    mg (9e54f8) — 3/29/2018 @ 9:57 am

    Not all lawyers are the same, any more than all actors or plumbers or restaurant owners or journalists agree. Look at Roseanne, who supports Trump when it’s not popular to do that in her profession. I give her credit for that and I’m glad her ratings are high. Similarly, not all lawyers agree about politics, nor do all restaurant owners or plumbers or even journalists.

    But the one thing that is common in all these examples is that they are political opinions and political decisions, not professional problems. Why blame lawyers for the political decisions made in Washington DC? But if you want to do that, then give lawyers credit for the Fifth Circuit decisions that reined in Obama.

    DRJ (15874d)

  62. @61. Meanwhile…

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham apologizes for mocking David Hogg

    Faced with a growing advertiser exodus, Fox News host Laura Ingraham apologized Thursday for a widely derided tweet in which she mocked Parkland survivor David Hogg.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/29/media/laura-ingraham-apologizes-david-hogg/index.html

    Memo:
    To: Laura
    From: sponsors

    “Shut-up and talk.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. sounds like ingraham’s getting in touch with her inner stormy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. The problem with lawyers boils down to simply this…They are very much like philosophers. They never (ok, rarely…but really never) have to deal with objective reality. Only in the most obvious of evidential cases (which lawyers on the weaker side do all they can to obfuscate) does anything resembling justice have a fighting chance. It’s all argument, all the time. When the winning lawyer and the deciding judge (or jury, depending) make a decision, it was all based on what was going on in those people’s heads. And then, depending on years and years of appeal, itself based on what goes on in those people’s heads, that precedent becomes The Law and we’re all stuck with it. See Wickard/Filburn for just one example. Justice depends much more on acquiring the better lawyer than it does on the facts of the case. If the law was what it supposes itself to be, there wouldn’t be such a huge disparity between the salaries of the good vs. the weaker lawyers.

    What would help society tremendously would be to restrict anyone from bar membership under the age of…idunno…35 or 40 at the least. Make them go out and build something real in the real world. Run a restaurant, build buildings, cure some diseases, DO something. Gain some insight on how the world really works before writing the rule books.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  65. There’s a lot of ‘plausible deniability’ in Trumpland w/a lot of loyal lackeys willing to be rolled or get tossed under a Fifth Avenue bus for our Captain– in lieu of vague yet promised goodies to come. He banks on them forgetting Fifth Avenue is a one way street.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Agree that this is getting more convoluted and difficult to justify.

    However, for it to be “malpractice”, you would need the client to object/complain.

    I haven’t heard him do so yet.

    The scope of the representation is dictated by the authorization of the client. Trump can say “I didn’t authorize him to enter into the deal, but I don’t care that he did, and I’m willing to reimburse him now.”

    What if they stick with the story that this was not a “A/C” relationship scenario, and emails show no evidence of any arrangement or discussion between them prior to the election?

    And if Daniels took the $130,000, why does there need to be a written contract? It’s an executory contract where Cohen performed and Daniels has now breached. If might have be more difficult for Cohen to establish damages than it would have been for Trump to show damages if Trump was a party.

    But if Daniels agreed to remain silent, and took $130,000 to do so, simply because Trump wasn’t a party to the agreement doesn’t mean there’s no agreement.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  67. Scorcher,

    Clients, put lawyers in many of the positions.

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  68. Here is Cohen’s long-play soft landing.

    Assume he resigns from the Bar wherever he is licensed, or his license is suspended.

    However, he has worked for the Trump organization for many many years, and I’m sure there are many positions in the Trump organization where having a law license is not necessary.

    Long term, a former President of the US with a world-wide business operation, is a close friend.

    I don’t think the collateral consequences of the Stormy affair will impact him too severely.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  69. 65.sounds like ingraham’s getting in touch with her inner stormy

    Sounds like she got sponsor-spanked, Mr. Feet; but that’s in w/Trumpsters these days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. SWC,

    These are common in the entertainment industry, ala Weinstein. This is why there are these overblown handlers and image consultants, because people can cause trouble to public figures.

    Does anyone remember the bimbo eruption squad? Many current members of the media were aware or actually members of it and payoffs were undoubtedly made, just in paper bags in dark alleys, not in a formal legal setting.

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  71. > But if Daniels agreed to remain silent, and took $130,000 to do so, simply because Trump wasn’t a party to the agreement doesn’t mean there’s no agreement.

    If she agreed to remain silent *believing she was executing the agreement with Trump*, when in fact she was executing it with Cohen, does her incorrect belief about the identity of her counterparty matter?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  72. Aphrael,

    She has legal jeopardy, what she is closing the lines to blackmail

    EPWJ (8377cc)

  73. To what extent, if any, does this situation follow that of John Edwards paying off his baby-Mama with campaign funds? Please compare and contrast.

    Otherwise, I am only disappointed that Trump refused to wear a condom.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  74. 12 — Colonel: It hasn’t hit the press in a big way yet, but I think we are going to find out in the near future that Brennan ok’d a CIA operation against Papadopolous and Page, with the intention of trying to develop information consistent with, or confirming 1) the info given to the CIA by the Australians about Papadopolous, and 2) the Steele dossier information about Page.

    Remember, the CIA isn’t supposed to operate on US soil, and it cannot target US citizens.

    I think Brennan did both, and we’ll know about it soon enough.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  75. Skorcher @66,

    I was reading your comment with an eye to arguing with you about it… but then found that I didn’t disagree with much of it. And I say that as a 28 year old lawyer.

    I think the notion of any socially useful “objective reality” is far more philosophical than the work done by lawyers, though.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  76. From Ingraham link:

    “”Laura Ingraham needs a few classes in compassion,” tweeted the author Stephen King.”

    That the same Stephen King who apologized after calling a fatal train wreck “karma” because some of the passengers were Republicans?

    harkin (8256c3)

  77. I don’t agree with your description of what litigators — lawyers who try legal cases — do, and there are many kinds of lawyers other than litigators. Further, since only about 2% of cases make it to trial, there is actually a shortage of experienced litigators.

    DRJ (15874d)

  78. “Assume he resigns from the Bar wherever he is licensed, or his license is suspended.”

    – shipwreckedcrew

    That’s not the extent of his exposure, though, is it?

    Again: if Trump didn’t know about the payments, and there were never any conversations between Trump and Cohen about the payments, then Trump could never have intended to pay Cohen back for the payments. Doesn’t this put Cohen squarely in the crosshairs of a criminal indictment, if DOJ can convince a grand jury that Cohen probably made this payment (three weeks before the general election) to help Trump’s campaign?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  79. Specifically, I disagree that “lawyers are very much like philosophers. They never (ok, rarely…but really never) have to deal with objective reality” or that “If the law was what it supposes itself to be, there wouldn’t be such a huge disparity between the salaries of the good vs. the weaker lawyers.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  80. We discussed the Edwards case in the comments here, AZ Bob. You need to scroll down to about 125 and keep reading.

    DRJ (15874d)

  81. If she agreed to remain silent *believing she was executing the agreement with Trump*, when in fact she was executing it with Cohen, does her incorrect belief about the identity of her counterparty matter?

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/29/2018 @ 1:07 pm

    I don’t kniw. You could argue that since she received her benefit of the bargain — the money — it doesn’t matter who she contracted with or even whether she was misled about who the parties to the agreement were. But the ongoing obligation not to talk about Trump might not be enforceable if the agreement requires that all parties remain silent. If Trump was not a party to the agreement, the mutual obligation is not enforceable as to him so I don’t know if that would affect her obligation.

    DRJ (15874d)

  82. Laura I. would be alright with some adenoid surgery.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  83. Back to lurking and watching filters. This is getting too ridiculous again. Enjoy the pool, but take a thorough shower after you’re done.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/29/2018 @ 12:03 pm

    Rahab, the one time heathen harlot, married into one of the leading families of Israel and became an ancestress of our Lord, the other foreign ancestresses being Tamar, Ruth and Bathsheba. The gratitude Salmon felt for Rahab ripened into love, and when grace erased her former life of shame he made her his wife. Jerome’s comment of the inclusion of the four foreign women in Matthew’s genealogy is suggestive—…

    Both Jewish and Christian writers have tried to prove that Rahab was a different woman from the one whom the Bible always speaks of as a “harlot.” To them it was abhorrent that such a disreputable person should be included in our Lord’s genealogy and by Paul, as a woman of faith, and so her story has been distorted in order to further a scheme of salvation based upon human goodness. Although man’s sense of refinement may be shocked, the fact remains that Rahab, Tamar and Bathsheba were sinful women who were purged by God, and had their share in the royal line from which Jesus sprang.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  84. Re the bureau agent in Minnesota, how confident are they he was the primary leakier. We know they hung contractor for the leak that had to come from Brendan.

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. Our Captain may simply have issued a standing order to his crew when they signed on, back in the day– “keep my spankable butt out of trouble”– and purposely avoided any knowledge of specifics, creating the climate in which his crew operated, a la The Big Dick. OTOH given our Captain’s detailed interest eyeing walls and women, he could be in the thick of it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. Nit the smartest knife in the drawer:
    dhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/28/california-sanctuary-law-exception-police-can-shar/#gallery_1

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. I was reading through some of Thomas Wictor’s tweets and I was wondering if conservative types thought that faith without works is dead to wit:

    @ThomasWictor
    Following Following @ThomasWictor
    More Thomas Wictor Retweeted MT Paige ✒️ 🐻
    Shapiro is humiliated that a “coarse boor” like Trump is bringing about the changes that Shapiro’s ocean of words couldn’t.

    So of course he hates Trump. Shapiro has been exposed as the useless perma-talker that he is.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  88. Well he has given credit when credit was due:
    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-biggest-news-ever-there-is-no-hell.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. Ben Shapiro is five apples tall.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  90. He banks on them forgetting Fifth Avenue is a one way street.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/29/2018 @ 12:59 pm

    I was only going one way.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  91. To paraphrase the rich bro villain from Some Kind of Wonderful, Shapiro got her (M. Fields) “used”!

    urbanleftbehind (0fad9b)

  92. That the same Stephen King who apologized after calling a fatal train wreck “karma” because some of the passengers were Republicans?

    harkin (8256c3) — 3/29/2018 @ 1:16 pm

    Ingraham needs an @Richard_Bachman Twitter sockpuppet.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  93. Cohen’s predicament as a possible campaign finance law violation is closer to a prosecutable case. But he would still have defenses, namely that its a “specific intent” crime, and the statute requires a showing of “willfulness” — i.e., that he knew the payment would be a violation of campaign finance laws, and did so purposely.

    There are many many prosecutions of people who evade the contribution limits — but most are like the D’Souza case where the allegation was that he funded contributions made by others in their names as a way to evade the contribution limits.

    Here Cohen possible evaded the contribution limit — but the payment didn’t go to the campaign. So you have to both ask the jury to conclude that it was his intent that he aid the campaign or influence the election by making the payment, AND that he knew doing so was a violation of campaign finance laws.

    The first really is an inference in the absence of some direct evidence or testimony that he expressed a desire to assist in Trump’s election by making the payment. Asking a jury to make that inference in a criminal case based on the temporal relationship alone is a tricky proposition.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  94. kittenmint

    on 1/19/2018 7:13:00 AM

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    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  95. One thing the Clintons were purported to do back in Arkansas was to hand out x amount money to individuals in the legal maximum amount. Those people would then make their cash campaign contribution and if they were asked where they got the money they would say they sold a farm implement or something else plausible and virtually untraceable.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  96. “So you have to both ask the jury to conclude that it was his intent that he aid the campaign or influence the election by making the payment, AND that he knew doing so was a violation of campaign finance laws.:

    – shipwreckedcrew

    Specific intent is always tough, of course, but as far as inferring intent from circumstantial evidence goes, it would not be hard to argue that Cohen knew (beyond a reasonable doubt) that silencing Stormy Daniels would aid the Trump campaign/influence the election, or that he knew (beyond a reasonable doubt) that such a payment, made from his own pocket, was a violation of campaign finance laws. He was a partner at Phillips Nizer. If a jury can be expected to assume that anyone knows the law, a jury can be expected to assume that a lawyer knows the law.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  97. Andy McCabe got a target letter, and will likely be indicted soon, because:

    1. Sessions identified the US Attorney for Utah as the “outside” federal prosecutor he asked to work with the IG on investigating various matters, and
    2. Andy McCabe announced today that he’s established a legal defense fund, and is taking contributions.

    The Utah US Attorney, John Huber, is a career prosecutor first appointed US Attorney by Obama in 2015, and reappointed by Trump in 2017.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  98. 99 — not unless he worked in campaign finance areas of practice.

    I don’t know anything about tax law, yet some tax offenses require “willfulness.” A judge would never allow a case to go to the jury on where the basis for establishing “willfulness” was “Well, he’s a lawyer.”

    This is why proving “Willfulness” in this context is so troublesome.

    In the Edwards prosecution, they had testimony from Edwards’ own campaign finance staff that they discussed as a group, at the beginning of the campaign, and at various intervals, all the campaign finance laws that applied, and what constituted a violation of the ones that applied. So there was evidence beyond “Well Edwards was a lawyer” to establish how it was that he knew the campaign finance laws, and that the conduct in question was a violation.

    And they still lost.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  99. Fair enough. I obviously wouldn’t expect that to be the entirety of a closing argument in a fact pattern like this, but your point is well taken.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  100. Spring is in the air.

    Those boobs are fake.

    You keep milking them (like you’re Andy Vanderbilt touching your first udder) all you’re going to get is bathtub tile caulk.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  101. 99 — not unless he worked in campaign finance areas of practice.

    Except …

    This isn’t the first time Cohen paid for things to help Trump and thus may have violated campaign finance laws. It happened in 2011 when Trump “tested the waters” for a Presidential campaign, and he and Cohen had dealings with the FEC then, too. Cohen has direct knowledge of the rules and pitfalls.

    DRJ (15874d)

  102. … and the exceptions. Cohen won’t have a problem with the FEC or the DOJ because his boss is the President, so an FEC regulatory violation or DOJ prosecution is unlikely. That doesn’t mean their actions complied with the rules.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. violated campaign finance laws

    Is that better or worse than stowing a lock of hair, from the kid you picked on in kindergarden, in a binderful of women, on the luggage rack, in the dog carrier, while on vacation?

    For [crikey dingo] sake!

    No Republican this side of John McCain would resort to campaign finance violations as a means to annoy their betters.
    True Republicans with principles and such, know the #1A is an absolute inviolate right indowed by our Creator. Not to be usurped at the whim of Senators or their dogs sitting on the porch.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  104. And they same programs happened in central Europe and the soviet union

    https://babalublog.com/2018/03/29/a-cuban-exile-has-a-warning-for-parklands-survivors-about-the-dangers-of-gun-control/

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. Maybe I deserve to be chided for responding to happyfeet’s squirrel.

    However, the link to Melania’s photos in the NY Post are relevant to this discussion in a number of ways. From the quality of the women Trump consorts with to the fact that the Post needed to buy the copyright to publish them. If Cohen had managed to obtain the copyright, they never would have been published. And isn’t that what he claims he did with Stormy Daniels’ story? Obtained the exclusive right to publish it? And the same thing with Karen McDougal and some tabloid?

    As for the written agreement, of course it is vital. Not only does it delineate the obligations of the parties and exclude parol evidence, Cohen cannot get either arbitration or liquidated damages without it.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. all you’re going to get is bathtub tile caulk.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/29/2018 @ 3:22 pm

    Miss Stormy may have stuff that even scrubbing bubbles won’t kill, that’s for sure.

    I hope she isn’t the vector for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  107. Ben Shapiro is five apples tall.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

    Absoeffinglutely squidtastic, Cthulhu!!!

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  108. Yes she was a model, in British Gq nearly 20 years ago, what does that have to do with the price of tea, the nxim cult which involved everyone from the president of Exxon to two cast members from smallville, Shirley.

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. the nxim cult which involved everyone from the president of Exxon to two cast members from smallville, Shirley.

    Are they living in the White House? I have not said it for a while, but having Ace Rothstein and Ginger McKenna within a mile of the White House is the hardest thing to swallow about Trump as President.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. What I can’t figure out is why she got paid anything. If you’re going to run your mouth about it why would you pay someone else not to? Disbarment is probably the least of his worries. He should be worried about walking out his door without a minder. With this level of ability he’ll be lucky not to get hit by a bus because he didn’t think to look before trying to cross the street.

    Allen (5f3847)

  111. This happened a year before Clifford, surfaced to sink bitter in his race for governor:
    abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rules-challenge-trumps-paln-end-daca-forward/story?id=54106618

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. R.I.P. Rusty Staub

    Safe at home.

    Forever Mets; great guy; loved to meet and greet fans/patrons at his NYC eateries back in the day; best ribs in town.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. Rip Stephen reinhardt

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. One of the nicest guys in the world (Staub) and one of the biggest @sswipes in the world (Reinhardt) pass away today.

    Reinhardt spent his entire career thumbing his nose at and circumventing controlling authority.

    I think he had a perfect record in voting to reverse every death penalty case that he was involved in. He literally could not find a case where there wasn’t some form of reversible error in his view — and he was proud of that. When necessary, he just made things up.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  115. DRJ
    Why do lawyers need praise for just doing their job?
    Cant imagine a carpenter demanding praise for every nail we pound in!!
    Or a farmer being praised for every non gmo seed planted!!
    Jeesh.

    mg (9e54f8)

  116. They don’t, nor do they deserve blame for all the world’s ills.

    DRJ (15874d)

  117. Like say if they cover up a mass murderers rampage, they shouldn’t be promoted to the next job,

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. Yes I used dicaprios characterization of nicolsons costello in the departed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. Just let them be afraid, DRJ. Very afraid.

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Information that had been redacted and is now known appear to show that there was coordination between the 0bama White House, CIA and FBI in the early stages of the “Russia Collusion” investigation. Another thing Big Zer0 lied about.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. Or, like it says on my law license in Latin: ODERINT DUM METUANT.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. Is there any other occupation that adds as much cost to, adversely impacts the products that are manufactured, sold and used or impacts as many different facets of life as an attorney?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  123. We need them, but do we need so many of them?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. Is there any other occupation that adds as much cost to, adversely impacts the products that are manufactured, sold and used or impacts as many different facets of life as an attorney?

    California voters.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. Prop 65 was a voters’ initiative, wasn’t it?

    nk (dbc370)

  126. Well that’s more a state of mind,

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. That’s different, Haiku. That may be true but it’s a paradox. As a society, w don’t want to complicate our lives with more rules (on a macro basis) but, as individuals, we want society to yield better results (on a micro basis – hence, more rules). We can’t have both so we need a good balance, but balance is always subjective and hard to find.

    DRJ (15874d)

  128. 121
    “A Sanhedrin that [convicted in a death penalty case] once in seven years was called a bloody Sanhedrin. Some say once in seventy years. Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Meir said, had we been there, they would have never convicted [because we would have found technicalities to acquit].”

    Kishnevi (413847)

  129. 85
    Jewish writers? Actually the Midrash teaches that Joshua married Rahab, that Tamar was a paragon of virtue and modesty (and an example of how far one should go to avoid embarrassing other people, since by not explicitly naming Judah as the father of her twins she risked being burned at the stake), and that Bathsheba did not intentionally sin because her husband conditionally divorced her before going off to battle (that is, wrote a bill of divorce that was valid if he disappeared or did not return from the war by a certain date).

    Kishnevi (413847)

  130. There’s no defense possible of the majority of California voters, nk, and I have no desire to offer one. But California is only one state. I’d be inclined to cut lawyers more slack if they’d all live and work while following the primum non nocere code.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. 134… thanks for your response, DRJ.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. Attorneys are professional lobbyists – causing more pain in the pocket book for the tax-paying legal citizen.

    mg (9e54f8)

  133. To complete my (unsolicited) thought, different States experiment with different approaches to finding that balance. Some are more successful than others but “success” is still in the eye of the beholder. Most Texans like their balance, but most Californians like theirs, too. Overall, though, I agree the legal profession has too much influence and poor values. In part, I blame the zealous advocate standard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  134. Thanks DRJ.

    mg (9e54f8)

  135. I was joking about the voters. Or maybe not. When Jesus was asked about divorce being legal under Mosaic law, He answered, “Because of your hardness of heart he [Moses] wrote you this commandment.” Lawyers are influential only in a free democracy. If the people want to pass dumb laws and litigate endlessly to have judges make new ones, the people are the ones ultimately responsible.

    nk (dbc370)

  136. And the mosaic raw, made the awfully simple, extremely complex, just like the loss of basic ethical codes, made the law more byzantine.

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. My oldest son sent me this one. I remember it from several years ago… good stuff! https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=A8FUUzmaCxc#

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  138. Buck stops over there!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. No gabba goul for you.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. Judge: “Have you anything to offer to this Court before I pass sentence?”
    Defendant: “No your honor, my lawyer took every penny.”

    nk (dbc370)

  141. If the people want to pass dumb laws and litigate endlessly to have judges make new ones, the people are the ones ultimately responsible.

    The vast majority of people do not litigate. The vast majority of lawyers do. Lawyers have discretion on which/what cases that they wish to take. And let’s not pretend that there aren’t a lot of lawyers out there looking for something to litigate about. Some even write laws and/or contracts with the foreknowledge that issues will arise, prompting more business for themselves.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  142. I heard that some even advertise.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Trump should have had Steele’s lawyers. “Do your talking in court.”

    nk (dbc370)

  144. Yes so they defame at will through friendly media, I’m surprised since London has some very strong libel laws

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Really? This is the defense now? That Michael Cohen settled a dispute on behalf of his client Donald Trump without … without informing the client?

    That’s what he’s saying.

    And the question I have: Is there any reasonable explanation for the lawyer saying that, not in 2016, but now, if it isn’t true?

    I suppose you could say maybe that’s just for public relations, and he’ll admiit the truth as soon as he’s put udner oath. But all that does is buy some time at the expense of ruing his credibility and having it all come out anyway. Fusion GPS tried to link “a Republican” to Chrostopher Steele, and then some anonymous Democrats but actually never said the Clinton campaign or the DNC <b/ didn't pay them.

    I think the better explanation is that indeed Cohen didn’t tell Trump, (although he led Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford to think that Trump was putting up the money) and that explains a few other things here.

    Now what I would not believe is that Michael Cohen used his own money – that he took a $130,000 hit, taking out a home equity loan in his house, in order to do something that could only have a very minor effect on the election.

    I think it was somebody else, not Trump, and not Cohen, who was interested in keeping this story out of the news.

    The National Enquirer’s parent company also spent some money to suppress a different story. But I wouldn’t say it wss neceesarily these people.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  146. 136. Kishnevi (413847) — 3/29/2018 @ 7:10 pm

    and that Bathsheba did not intentionally sin because her husband conditionally divorced her before going off to battle (that is, wrote a bill of divorce that was valid if he disappeared or did not return from the war by a certain date).

    No, not a conditional divorce, which is what peole maybe might do later, an absolute divorce. If not that ask, if David intentionally sinned, why would he care that eh went to mikveh? Also why did Nathan not accuse him of adultery?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  147. 99. Leviticus (efada1) — 3/29/2018 @ 2:41 pm it would not be hard to argue that Cohen knew (beyond a reasonable doubt) that silencing Stormy Daniels would aid the Trump campaign/influence the election, or that he knew (beyond a reasonable doubt) that such a payment, made from his own pocket, was a violation of campaign finance laws. He was a partner at Phillips Nizer. If a jury can be expected to assume that anyone knows the law, a jury can be expected to assume that a lawyer knows the law.

    To be a campaign finance violation, and nto a legal independent expenditure, Cohen would have had to diuscuss this with Trump or his finance people.

    Why on earth would he agree to put up the money from his own resources?

    101. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 3/29/2018 @ 2:55 pm

    In the Edwards prosecution, they had testimony from Edwards’ own campaign finance staff that they discussed as a group, at the beginning of the campaign, and at various intervals, all the campaign finance laws that applied, and what constituted a violation of the ones that applied. So there was evidence beyond “Well Edwards was a lawyer” to establish how it was that he knew the campaign finance laws, and that the conduct in question was a violation.

    And they still lost.`

    In the Edwards case, Edwards was not the person with the money.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  148. 76. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 3/29/2018 @ 1:11 pm

    Remember, the CIA isn’t supposed to operate on US soil, and it cannot target US citizens.

    That’s the FBI’s job.

    Anytime the CIA wants to run such an operation, they must turn it over to the FBI.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  149. 75. AZ Bob (9a6ada) — 3/29/2018 @ 1:11 pm

    To what extent, if any, does this situation follow that of John Edwards paying off his baby-Mama with campaign funds? Please compare and contrast.

    In tehe Edwards case, the legal problem was it wasn’t </I. campaign funds , but, the prosecution argued, it should have been. The money was puty up by other people with John Edwards knowledge and consent.

    The doifference with Trumpo is taht trump is the richest person here, and he doesn't need to ahve Cohen or anybody else pay the money, unless he really is not inetersted. It also doesn't make sense that Cphen would spend $130,000 of his own money to slightly help Trump get elected.

    So he didn't.

    Otherwise, I am only disappointed that Trump refused to wear a condom.

    He did not refuse – he wasn’t asked.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  150. What you see on a small town gun store marquis:

    Youth Turkey Hunt March…

    What you dont see:

    Special Guests David Hogg and Emma Rodriguez.

    Pinandpuller (5245a8)

  151. david and emma are nasty dirty disgusting and vile people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. I went on a youth turkey hunt and David Hogg was hiding in a closet.

    Pinandpuller (5245a8)

  153. he probably has ptsd all up in it that’s why he acts like a fascist buttface and hides in the closet all the time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. When someone says, it doesn’t make sense that a lawyer would put up his own money to tamp down Trump’s bimbo eruption, I hear through my brain’s crazy straw “there’s no way a lawyer would do that for me.”

    Which is totally not true. You’ve had the loyal order of attorneyhood step up to duel with the entire shutup arm of the DNC on occasion.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  155. If only he would bravely call people poopybutt sluttypigs on an online forum.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  156. That’s how your get real change.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  157. @165 papertiger

    Well you also have Lawrence Tribe types jumping in front of the saber blow.

    Pinandpuller (f27599)

  158. Lawrence Tribe was a big fan of dearly departed Judge Renfield, of the ninth circuit court.

    Larry used to bring him kittens on visiting hours, to keep the judge company while waiting for the master’s return.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  159. On HIS OWN DIME> meant to add.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  160. Judge called for order in teh court but got a party in his pants… https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/judge-arrested-for-breaking-into-home-swiping-womans-panties/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. 171. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    So… judge-mental.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  162. That’s how your get real change.

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 3/30/2018 @ 3:13 pm

    You work here are dun, Cthulhu.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  163. Youth Turkey Hunt March…

    What you dont see:

    Special Guests David Hogg and Emma Rodriguez.

    Pinandpuller (5245a8) — 3/30/2018 @ 2:12 pm

    They have to hide, it is a turkey shoot.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  164. It’s like they said in Watergate: it’s not the women’s panties its the break in.

    Pinandpuller (f27599)

  165. @174 Colonel Haiku

    Alvin York cut the notch five times out a five at the turkey shoot and captured 117 Germans by hisself without no AR 15.

    Pinandpuller (f27599)

  166. Personally, I wholeheartedly support the students of Stoneman Douglas and all the residents of Parkland and Broward County, and they absolutely, positively, no question about it, should vote out Alcee Hastings, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and Ted Deutch, their three Representatives in Congress who have let them down so badly.

    And anybody who says different is a Faux News, Trump-supporting, NRA stooge.

    nk (dbc370)

  167. No sale, back on your heads:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/292597/

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. “Go ahead and run, sweetheart. I’m gonna cut down all of you wh000ahs.”

    —- Eddie Dane

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  169. I gotta say … Trump does sleazy well.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 3/29/2018 @ 9:58 am

    I got news. Sleazy is just what we do. I wish it were different but if wishes were fishes I’d be swimming in riches.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)


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