Let’s Not Forget About McCabe’s Conflict Of Interest Based On His Wife
Should Andrew McCabe have been fired? I haven’t seen the Inspector General report, and so I don’t know if Andrew McCabe lied (or, I’m sorry, “lacked candor under oath” in speaking to) investigators for the Inspector General. I agree with David French, who says:
Absent access to the underlying testimony that allegedly triggered the firing, I’m not sure why people are opining so definitively about its propriety. But, hey, everyone’s an expert on FISA applications they haven’t read, so I suppose we can be experts about this also. https://t.co/3hBiBwTj1c
— David French (@DavidAFrench) March 17, 2018
I note that it seems from McCabe’s statement alone that he was aware that he was, shall we say, not entirely accurate in his initial statements. He says things like:
I answered questions truthfully and as accurately as I could amidst the chaos that surrounded me. And when I thought my answers were misunderstood, I contacted investigators to correct them. . . . to be accused of lacking candor when at worst I was distracted in the midst of chaotic events, is incredibly disappointing and unfair.
Yeah, well, I’ll wryly note that blaming falsehoods on chaos is an excuse that doesn’t usually work so well when offered as a defense by people prosecuted for telling falsehoods to McCabe’s erstwhile employer.
So it seems that McCabe himself acknowledges that he got some things wrong, at a minimum. But to run around claiming he lied, based on evidence we haven’t seen . . . I’ll leave that to others who feel comfortable taking that position. I don’t. Yet.
But that doesn’t mean McCabe is beyond reproach, by a longshot.
You might remember that in October 2016, before the election, I was ranting about the fact that a Terry McAuliffe PAC had donated almost half a million to McCabe’s’s wife’s election campaign . . . and yet McCabe had not recused himself from the Hillary Clinton email investigation. Granted, it’s not crystal clear that McCabe acted as a purely partisan warrior there. If you believe the leaks that he authorized to be made to the Wall Street Journal, he pushed for an investigation of the Clinton Foundation. Then again, as the Washington Post notes today, that same story demonstrated that “some FBI officials thought [McCabe] was standing in the way of the Clinton Foundation investigation.”
The point is, if Hillary Clinton’s bag man Terry McAuliffe was delivering sacks of cash to his wife, McCabe had no business ever being anywhere in the chain of command over anything having to do with Hillary Clinton — not the email investigation, not the Clinton Foundation, not any of it. I don’t care that his wife had already lost by the time he became deputy director. The consideration had already been given, and he should have recused himself — yet he didn’t do so until November 1, 2016, which was far too late. I’m not sure whether that failure alone is grounds for termination, but it brought discredit on the FBI. And new evidence that McCabe may have been less than forthright about whether he attended his wife’s campaign events and so forth only contribute to the suspicion.
Whether that means it was appropriate to take hints from Trump and rush to release an investigation seemingly for the express purpose of stripping this guy of his pension, I’m not so sure. Again, I’m taking the unpopular position that we ought to know the facts before opining. (I know, right? Saying that on a blog is such a buzzkill.) But I’m no fan of Andrew McCabe. That I can tell you.
Speaking of recusals, Trump’s lawyer (first claiming to speak on behalf of Trump and then walking that back) this morning connected McCabe’s firing to Russiagate. If the real reason for McCabe’s firing was Russiagate, then why was Jeff Sessions (who recused from the Russia investigation) involved? At this point we have nothing beyond Trump’s idiot lawyer’s statement — although Trump did spike the ball over McCabe’s firing with a gusto that seems . . . over-the-top given the stated reasons for it.
John Sexton at Hot Air says that “the reactions to the [McCabe] firing are falling into two distinct camps” — one casting McCabe as victim (pro-Trump) and one casting him as hero (anti-Trump). Well, of course. Reactions to all issues in American life, from Senate races to whether Americans should watch football games, eventually fall into pro-Trump and anti-Trump camps. But I’m not much of a joiner and I never went to camp. So I’ll just note that all of these things can be true:
1. Donald Trump did not “collude” with Russia to hack emails.
2. Donald Trump is smearing Mueller and good people at the FBI to discredit the Russia investigation.
3. McCabe was a rotten apple who deserved to go.
I’m not saying any of these things is necessarily true. But they all could be.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975062797162811394
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:06 amWhen did Mccabe have time to do actual investigating, San Bernardino and Orlando suggest none, between covering for Hillary and trying to frame trump
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:06 amRead the National Review piece. All will become clear.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:12 amAn ABC(?) News article that somebody linked in the other thread said that he had sought and received advance clearance from the FBI ethics office in regard to his wife’s campaign, and that he wasn’t involved in the Clinton investigation while it was going on.
I haven’t checked that independently.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:13 amVillan?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:14 amHere’s the ABC News piece I referred to:
(emphasis added)
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:17 amAbc has been depository for leaks for Mccabe and others for
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:21 amtwo years now, and they aren’t the only ones. The contributions were around that time, he was only refused a week before the election.
andy mccabe is a lying piece of fbi filth, cold busted, and his dirty sleazy wife is his partner in crime
he lied under OATH, and a lot more significantly so than anybody corrupt fbi slutboy Robert Mueller’s targeted in his witch hunt
and now he ain’t got no pension and all the filthy rank-and-file trash at the fbi are sitting up and taking notice
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:24 amAs Patterico stated, the fact that McCabe’s wife wasn’t receiving contributions concurrently with his involvement with the Clinton probe is really irrelevant to whether he should’ve recused himself. And, as to the ethics approval: we don’t who approved it and what they’re motivations were. If you think everyone at the FBI is above board, you haven’t been paying attention.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:28 amOff-topic: The National Debt hits $21T
#MAGA
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:29 amContribution was in the spring, why did they tell devlin barrettes in October, its as bad a cover story as the doctored video they accepted in Sanford, Matt gutman Btw moved from Orlando to Los Angeles just in time to burn the trail at San Bernardino.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:29 amIf one recalls they fed barrett that story to throw shade on the bureau agent, probably George tosca who wanted to reopen the Hillary investigation. Now am I being too obtuse or can I not spot a line of ‘bulhocky’ a mile away. Just like the reason they pinched George Nader had more to do with plague around 2003.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:36 amWe are so sure, in the absence of hard evidence, that Putin is behind the attempted assassination in Britain (as I do), but I guess NeverTrump French needs to see a dead body with a signed FBI confession pinned to it to acknowledge there are bad actors at the bureau out to get Trump.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:37 amIts probable he had the means, the motive, the opportunity seems a little dubious,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:41 amConnectionDistracted Jagger/RichardsDistracted, I just get so damned
Distracted but all I want to do, is tell truth to you.
Everything is going in the wrong direction
And Sessions wants to take away my pension
All because of that general of inspections
But I do know why they let me go.
Distracted I just get so damned
Distracted, but all I want to do, is tell truth to you.
My moves, they got a very close inspection
Did all I could to stop Clinton rejection
But voters knew a turd from a confection
And I do know why they let me go.
Distracted, I just get so damned
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:46 amDistracted, but all I want to do, is tell truth to you.
Every time McCabe’s been on camera, he’s been a fidgeting weasel.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:49 amLittle context for the previous thought:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/26/controversial-fbi-officials-linked-to-wall-street-journal-and-washington-post-leaks/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:49 amFunny they didn’t let scooter Libby get away with that excuse, specially after eickenrode lost the interview transcripts.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:51 amReceived from whom, Comey? Or the IG and internal investigators who now recommended firing for unethical behavior? Not buying it. And McCabe himself should have recused himself.
It leads me to agree that Adam Housley is right, this was about a clique in the FBI that finally was broken up for lots of prior bad acts, not for political reasons.
Patricia (3363ec) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:52 amI’ll leave that to others who feel comfortable taking that position. I don’t. Yet.
there’s a metric poop-ton more hard evidence that fbi suck-puppet Andy McCabe’s a scummy scummy fbi liar than there’s ever been that Mr. Roy Moore is a pedophile
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:58 amThey have self dealing so long, they don’t recognize any oversight:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:58 amhttp://foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/14/fbi-director-denies-cover-up-involving-fast-and-furious-guns-found-at-border.html
@18: Libby only briefly moved around in those circles — he wasn’t a swamp creature. Neither was Saucier or Flynn. But McCabe, Comey, Ridham, Huma are card carrying members.
It’s like the off duty cop that gets pulled over for running a red light. He flashes his card to the officer and drives off.
Instead, this time, McCabe got cited and he’s aghast to be treated like everyone else.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:06 pmThey need Suze Orman over at FBI ethics dept:
Denied!
Pinandpuller (40c681) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:12 pmSome democrat wants to hire LLR McCabe to help him qualify for his pension. Does working in federal DOC laundry count?
Pinandpuller (40c681) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:29 pm“From the FBI and across the intelligence agencies an astonishing number of people are going to find themselves accused, one can safely predict at this point, of some atrocious behavior in a free republic. And it will not just be the small change of Peter Strzok (the dimwitted director of counter-intelligence) and his gal pal Lisa Page. It will include—on one level or another—James Comey, Loretta Lynch, John Brennan, James Clapper, Susan Rice and, almost inevitably, Barack Obama, not to mention others known and unknown.
All these people’s reputations will be damaged forever for the pathetic purpose of getting Hillary Clinton elected president and later for their determination to manipulate the FBI and intelligence agencies to wound as severely as possible Trump’s presidency. That they didn’t stop to think that they might be wounding America at the same time is extraordinarily selfish and nauseating.
Further, that a Russia collusion investigation was employed by these people for their nefarious purposes is darkly ironic because their technique itself reeks of Stalin’s NKVD.”
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/reckoning-fbi-begun/
harkin (df3a15) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:31 pm#FBIpensionsmatter
Pinandpuller (40c681) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:33 pmI want you to walk out till McCabe gets his pension, Dave.
Pinandpuller (40c681) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:34 pm#MCHA… Make ConDave Honest Again
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:48 pmI agree with Patrick that this sentence in McCabe’s statement is weak, although if parsed closely, he is claiming he DID answer truthfully, but not with 100% accuracy. What could that mean?
That could mean, for example, he was asked a question like “Who did you speak with about [fill in the blank]?” and he (truthfully) gave the names of nine people who he spoke with about [blank], but did not give the name of a tenth person who he also spoke with about it.
That could be because he didn’t remember the tenth person, or because he intentionally concealed his contact with them. His excuse about “chaos” preventing complete accuracy (but not truthfulness) in his testimony would be somewhat understandable in a situation like that. If so, his only real out would have been to hedge his testimony by saying “there may have been others that I can’t recall”.
If he remembered the tenth person the next day, and pro-actively sought to correct his original testimony, it would be pretty abusive to call that lack of candor.
There’s really not enough information available to know whether he was railroaded or properly disciplined, at this point.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 12:55 pmThat in itself is so false as to amount to a lie. We heard directly from Roy Moore’s accusers. Quote me from the IG report. Oh, you can’t, because you haven’t seen it yet? Then you are spreading rank falsehoods that you know to be such. Which of course is no surprise at all coming from you.
I love President Trump more than life itself! He’s the most honest person in the world! Look at me! My name is happyfeet and I have no shame at all!
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:09 pmhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:15 pmThat was back in the term of mueller, when they also didn’t bother to investigate your tormentor.
Yes we know alred proferred altered evidence in that case, similar to those that misrepresented haspel time in Thailand, but we can trust their other accounts.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:25 pmThat would be mark mazetti if memory serves, now passing every bit of kibble, from Mueller’s office:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:33 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/975105524004999169?p=v
Patterico, re #30: c’mon. You know that the very reason this person posts is to troll, cause trouble, and stir up things. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t believe in a single thing with consistency. It’s all theatre.
And it is really a shame. There are a lot of people who take things seriously and want to contribute. But Gresham’s Law applies to more than money and economics.
Simon Jester (ca9668) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:34 pmbut we have heard direct quotations from Mr. McCabe’s accusers which are the people at the FBI office of the Professional Responsibilities of whatever – they say he lied and that he lied so bad he should be fired like a little b-word
this is from the statement released by deputy attorney general Jeff Sessions:
notice the quotey quote marks
that means the OPR said point blank that McCabe is a dirty liar
I feel so sorry for poor, disgraced Andy McCabe
but he really did bring this on himself with his lies
and for reals professionals did an investigation
but Mr. Moore was accused decades after the fact by low class honey boo boos shepherded by a nevertrump newspaper owned by Amazon turdlord Jeffy Bezos and by the dumpster daughter of Gloria Allred who is known to pay women for their fanciful testimonies
Attorney Lisa Bloom sought compensation for women willing to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct: report
advantage: the Office of all the Responsibilities
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:34 pmYes Simon, and we are told not take David spade seriously,,however we should know that proverb re Trojan horses, practically every time gloria alred is involved there are ‘chain of custody’ issues. The narrative as Orwell learned from the BBC world service; dramatized in glover
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:40 pms last man in Europe is ever changing,
You really don’t want me link smerconish don’t you:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:49 pmhttp://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/03/17/turley-mccabe-issue-raises-serious-questions-about-comeys-previous-testimony-could-get-him-into-serious-trouble
“Rep. Mark Pocan, a Wisconsin Democrat, on Saturday extended a job offer to McCabe so that he could reach is length of service and get his retirement benefits.“
Dems always looking out for the little guy. Slow clap.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:49 pmHe is the rep from madison, midwest version of Berkeley.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:51 pmYeah, everyone should really wait for the IG report to go public before nailing him to a cross– not that it even matters anymore as he’s been crucified already. But the optics undercut the move. Whacking the guy at 10PM on a Friday night, just hours before his bennies kick in, was counterproductive; makes the motives appear suspect; vindictive, petty and an attempt to ‘dirty up’ credibility w/t Mueller investigation. Trump’s taunting tweets dancing on the body don’t help, either. 3 PM in the light of day would have affirmed more confidence; lent strength to Sessions’ move.
Per the AP this afternoon, McCabe apparently turned over his personal memos on Trump to Mueller anyway.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:53 pmThe problem is they have often prespun the ig report, tell you what we’ll be as fair as others have been with gina haspel.
https://nypost.com/2018/03/17/mike-pompeo-might-be-the-only-guy-trump-trusts/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:55 pmYeah, everyone should really wait for the IG report to go public before nailing him to a cross
Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not FBI personnel matters. I believe the FBI Office of the Responsible Good Behavior. Their account is too serious to ignore. FBI suckboy Andy McCabe is unworthy of a pension and should step aside.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 1:57 pmThen you’re no better and in fact a million times worse then your anti-hero pervy Willard Mitt.
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:01 pmThe important thing Mr. leftbehind is the rest of the corrupt FBI scum finally see someone is being held accountable.
This my friends, this is a good day.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:03 pm@36… narciso… how can we take Spade seriously? https://youtu.be/BcufzXXaEoI
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:06 pmRooney never learns his lesson, not in 1994 nor in 2016, not after he hired Herr grubber or gina Mccarthy.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:07 pm@41. The ‘problem’ is 10 PM EDT on a Friday night, narciso.
@42. Take heart, Mr. Feet; Sessions served Putin breakfast in bed: when it was 10 PM in Washington, it was 6 AM in Moscow.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:13 pmLike I say where is the accountability:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/mueller_worked_with_lerner_to_target_tea_party.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:15 pmSessions served Putin breakfast in bed: when it was 10 PM in Washington, it was 6 AM in Moscow.
this is scurrilous innuendo
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:17 pmOff topic palate cleanser… a story about the little Dart that could and the 1973 War…
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/cars-of-a-lifetime/coal-1971-dodge-dart-above-and-beyond-the-original-brief/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:21 pmThey were more cautious in 2013:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:23 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/us/cia-officer-tied-to-detention-program-is-replaced.html
@41.’scurrilous innuendo’… easy out then endo, too, Mr. Feet; blini, kasha and tea. What’s for lunch, comrade?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:30 pmpurple!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:32 pmLOL.
“Every 501( c )(4) in the United States.”
Yep, definitely singling out Tea Party groups for political persecution…
The law prohibits electioneering by tax-exempt organizations. The IRS SHOULD enforce that law.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:41 pmThe Power of teh Derp State… https://t.co/7zwVZC3Fb9
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/17/derp-state-former-un-ambassador-samantha-power-tells-trump-its-a-bad-idea-to-pss-off-john-brennan/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:42 pmmakes the motives appear suspect; vindictive, petty and an attempt to ‘dirty up’ credibility w/t Mueller investigation.
Yeah, we need to draw the line at any petty vindictive attempts to sully Mueller’s clean and credible investigation.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/muellers-investigation-flouts-justice-department-standards/
Bwahahaha!
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:42 pmOh, and based on the content of the article, and the released documents, the title of the article “Mueller worked with Lerner to target Tea Party” is a flat-out lie.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:45 pm…if Hillary Clinton’s bag man Terry McAuliffe was delivering sacks of cash to his wife, McCabe had no business ever being anywhere in the chain of command over anything having to do with Hillary Clinton…
IF?
If the sun rises in the East tomorrow, then.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:51 pmif Hillary Clinton’s bag man Terry McAuliffe was delivering sacks of cash to his wife, McCabe had no business ever being anywhere in the chain of command over anything having to do with Hillary Clinton…
If the Pope is Catholic, then.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 2:53 pmMcCarthy selectively quotes the guidelines to bamboozle his readers.
For instance, he cites “the most serious, readily provable charge” as what Mueller should have charged Gates with. But that is only one of four criteria.
Criteria #3 and #4 obviously leave plenty of room for discretion based on the circumstances. For some reason, McCarthy doesn’t mention criteria #3 and #4 at all, though.
Also, the guidelines explicitly say:
But you’d never know that from McCarthy’s dishonest piece, which presents one guideline (out of four) as the only one, and tries to make you believe it is set in stone when the opposite is true.
The lengths that people will go to falsely impugn the integrity of an honest man like Mueller to protect sleazeballs like Trump and Manafort from facing the consequences of their crimes is pathetic.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:00 pmif Hillary Clinton’s bag man Terry McAuliffe was delivering sacks of cash to his wife, McCabe had no business ever being anywhere in the chain of command over anything having to do with Hillary Clinton…
If the Calif Senate Pro Tem Ponce de León starts appointing illegal aliens to run the State.
“Ms. Mateo is a courageous, determined and intelligent young woman who at great personal risk has dedicated herself to fight for those seeking their rightful place in this country,” de León added.
Illegal aliens rightful place in this country?
You’re from Los Angeles. Is de Leon yours?
You inflict this American in name only on us?
What did we ever do to you to deserve this insult
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:12 pmCriteria #3 and #4 obviously leave plenty of room for discretion based on the circumstances. For some reason, McCarthy doesn’t mention criteria #3 and #4 at all, though.
He doesn’t mention 3 and 4 because they have no bearing if #1 isn’t met. All criteria is to met, not any of the four.
Falsely impugning the integrity of McCarthy, in other words.
And what exactly are sleazeball Trump’s “crimes”?
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:22 pmBut you’d never know that from McCarthy’s dishonest piece, which presents one guideline (out of four) as the only one…
This is not accurate Mr. Dave… look at your fourth guideline:
4) That does not adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.
Mr. McCarthy explicitly addresses this 4th guideline in his expose of dirty FBI suckboy Robert Mueller’s unethical and unprofessional tactics:
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:24 pmDave, odd that you refer to sleazeball Trump’s “crimes” in a post were you argue to withhold judgment on McCabe until the facts are in. Actually, not very odd really, considering….
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:26 pmConDave doesn’t fool anybody.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:33 pmHe’s on the con and on teh grift…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:34 pmThat wee what fits did was David radler vis a vis Conrad black, and he didn’t bother to investigate Armitage at all.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:36 pmHe claims to be a conservative, a claim that’s not supported by a good 95% of his posts. Look at who and what he targets. He ALL about undermining anything that doesn’t boost liberal Democrats.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:38 pmConDave goes all in on things best characterized as “that horse already left the barn”, e.g., IRS targeting conservative groups. Anyone who doesn’t see through this fairly common concerned troll posturing isn’t paying attention.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:43 pmTake it all with a grain of salt.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:43 pmWas what pat Fitzgerald did, he was reproached by the supreme court, but not before he had been dispossessed of his property and turned over to the Barclays bros, who had jeb on their board, after they absorbed the remnants of Lehman bros.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:44 pmTrump has publicly confessed to obstruction of justice.
Dave (445e97) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:52 pmPresident Trump is beautiful
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:57 pmWe await ConDave’s confession. Until then, the grift/con goes on.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:01 pmDave knows an open and shut case when he sees it.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:03 pm@53. Pure borscht, Mr. Feet!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:04 pmConDave poormouths the current administration and congress like there’s no tomorrow, as he salts the earth around Republicans.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:05 pmBy giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated.
Ther reason Mueller is “giving Gates a pass” is because there was no crime committed. Gates and Manaford were employed by a Ukrainian political campaign, and because there is no double taxation treaty between the Ukraine and the USA they were paid through third party countries who do have double taxation treaties with the USA; Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Cyprus, and The Sechelles.
Mueller is taking advantage of the general ignorance of tax laws to bully Gates into confessions on process crimes; didn’t drop his trowsers quickly enough, dragged teeth while being mouth raped, the sort of non crime that scooter libby was assualted with.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:08 pmi love my borscht at Russian Tea Time number one it’s served hot number two it tastes so good and the beets share the stage with carrot and potato and it is so good
I’d eat it all up but if President Trump sat down I’d say here Mr. Trump please take my tasty soup
oh my gosh that would make me so happy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:08 pmIF the president of China is a communist, then.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:10 pmIf two plus two not just allegedly but in actual fact does equal four, then.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:24 pmA correction re #51
http://www.andmagazine.com/us/12941.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:26 pmIf Mueller alleged bank-fraud, tax-evasion, and money laundering charges to coerce a false confession from Gates, then.
I know that there are all sorts of nebulous terrible undefined consequences for a defendant if he misremembers a detail or two while being grilled by Mueller.
WHAT are the consequences for Mueller if he lies to the defendant?
Is that just good police work then?
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/17/2018 @ 4:35 pmThe usual suspects
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-17/brennan-holder-comey-rage-after-mccabe-fired-veiled-threats-and-temper-tantrums-fly
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 5:11 pmThe kim dynasty complains he doesnt get this kind of press:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/975113176789520384?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 6:07 pm“Trump has publicly confessed to obstruction of justice.”
Everyone could be “obstructing justice” from anything they say at any time, this is Schrodinger’s crime. Do you have something that’s actually a crime OUTSIDE of DC?
Dysphoria Sam (a3c41a) — 3/17/2018 @ 7:44 pmTake it all with a grain of salt.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/17/2018 @ 3:43 pm
My blood vessels can’t survive a BP of 300 over 175.
Pinandpuller (c13eee) — 3/17/2018 @ 8:04 pmFestivus was more established than we knew:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 8:17 pmhttp://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/it-wasnt-just-greece-archaeologists-find-early-democratic-societies-americas
Some might say this is a quixotic exercise (I never had beef with Flynn, Gorka, or Bannon), but Breitbart himself would do this sort of thing as well.http://www.yahoo.com/news/michael-flynn-campaigns-gop-congressional-candidate-020427883–election.html
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/17/2018 @ 8:21 pm88, that’s like their Delaware, I’ve only met one person from there, a hotel maid in Clearwater.
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/17/2018 @ 8:26 pmIt looks McCabe is not willing to let this go so easy, according to the The Daily Beast.
Fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe Lawyers Up
Tillman (a95660) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:08 pmhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/fired-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-lawyers-up?ref=home
Try to keep , this is the fellow who was all in favor of the ig report
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:14 pmI wish shipwreckedcrew were commenting. He’d know this stuff inside out. As I see it, McCabe’s position as Deputy Director was political and he could be removed from that at will. BUT, his position as an FBI agent and GS rank (I dunno about SES) are not. They should be protected by Civil Service.
nk (dbc370) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:15 pmAndrew McCabe Net Worth is $11 Million dollars and earns an annual Income of $1 Million dollars. Andrew McCabe is is an American attorney who was the Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Andrew McCabe recently bought a brand new Audi luxury car for $310,000 USD. The Net Worth of Andrew McCabe has seen a hike of 127% over the past few years. While calculating Andrew McCabe Net Worth we have included the data updated as of this Quarter. Check out the Exclusive information on Andrew McCabe Net Worth details such as Yearly Income, House, Car Collection, Investments etc. Also read Net Worth details of Robert Mueller.
Finapp
Pinandpuller (c13eee) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:18 pmRobert Mueller Net Worth is $18 million dollars and earns an annual income of $2 million dollars. The Net Worth of Robert Mueller has seen a hike of 64% over the past few years. Robert Mueller is an American attorney who was the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. While calculating the Net Worth of Robert Mueller we have included the data updated as of this Quarter. Check out the Exclusive information on Robert Mueller Net Worth details such as Yearly Income, House, Car Collection, Brand Endorsements, Investments etc.
Finapp
Pinandpuller (c13eee) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:20 pmShort answer is he doesn’t qualify for another seven years, under current status.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/17/2018 @ 10:42 pmI wish shipwreckedcrew were commenting.
He got banned for a week. Ruffled feathers the wrong way.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/17/2018 @ 11:48 pmTo explicate a little further, in regular police, the ranks above captain are exempt from civil service (or union) protection. The mayor or another superior can bust down a chief, inspector, or superintendent with a phone call and the stroke of a pen. But only to his non-exempt rank — from patrolman to captain. To fire them from those protected ranks would require a hearing before, and a decision by, a board or commission, and they are still police until that happens.
So I suspect Colonel Haiku and Stashiu3 are right, when they say that McCabe will receive a lower pension at worst. One based on his salary on the General Schedule in the highest civil service-protected rank he attained? I don’t know whether Senior Executive Service (that’s the equivalent of generals and admirals) ranks and salaries are civil service-protected. shipweckedcrew would know, having been in the system himself.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:10 amPolitico:
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:36 amFrom the same link:
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:37 amIt’s up to the DOJ to document those good reasons and find a way to make them public, presumably in the lawsuit McCabe will file.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:39 amThank you, DRJ.
So civil service protections are nowhere near as strong as the military’s. (Bowe Bergdahl could have been stripped of his VA benefits only by a court martial.)
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:40 amAs I read it, FBI employees may not get all civil service protections. Perhaps it’s because they are law enforcement so the rank and file has a union, but I don’t know if executives like McCabe get it’s benefits. My guess is they do.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:10 amThank you again, DRJ.
Yes, I suspect that this Trumpism will sit well with the 13.6 million Trumpkins, but not so well with the other 320 million or so Americans.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:30 amIt appears the FBI, the CIA and other defense agencies are exempt from the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978. They are called excepted service agencies.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:50 amIf there are valid reasons to fire this schiffbird, hopefully, they will be made known. From what is know about him, he was always more of a political operative than anything else.
As were Clapper, Brennan, Holder, Lynch, etc., etc., ad nauseum…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:52 am“Why the press defends McCabe’s crime
Lying to the FBI is a crime. Andrew McCabe lied to the FBI even as he was the agency’s deputy director. This cost him his job as deputy director of the FBI. In a just world, prosecutors would indict him just as they did Martha Stewart (and others).
We shall see how just America is.
But we know our media is not worthy of a great nation because most of the scribes would be more comfortable working under a Soviet system where they could protect the state.
Which is why they protect McCabe.
Ideology and partisanship have little to do with this because this is all about money and power too. McCabe put in motion the Russian dossier fable, which has meant billions to CNN, MSNBC, and others.
They promote this lie because it keeps their audiences up, and those audiences have filled their coffers with record high subscription fees.
For a long time, the media covered McCabe’s scandal with its Cloak of Invisibility. Now they circle wagons to protect him. Andrea Mitchell of Comcast’s MSNBC channel called for a congressman to put him on the payroll long enough to secure a lifetime pension. I don’t think that is how it works.
You see, reporters protect sources at all costs because as I said, billions are at stake. They are no more interested in the truth than the Easter bunny is. CNN has yet to tell the public who gave them that story that libeled Anthony Scaramucci, which CNN subsequently retracted.
The press loves the deep state. Atlantic monthly declared the Department of Justice to be an “independent agency,” which not only is untrue but it is unconstitutional. The president appoints the attorney general (and others). The Constitution holds that the president is the chief executive.”
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/03/why-press-defends-mccabes-crime.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:58 amYes, I suspect that this Trumpism will sit well with the 13.6 million Trumpkins, but not so well with the other 320 million or so Americans.
Yeah, all those 320 million Americans with 6 figure pensions who were dismissed after (allegedly) engaged in wrongdoing. I can see that.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:59 amSome get it, some don’t Viking!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:00 amAnd what’s the value of letting the uranium one/translogistic deal go through.
narciso (e534aa) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:04 amThis guy has $11 mil in the bank, and is making a mil/yr working for the gov.
Why is he hooking his trailer to Hillary for a measly $700K?
Cheap hooker.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:11 amPreserving the right of owners to dispose of their property in the manner they choose?
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:16 am
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:18 amSo you leftists don’t dehumanize the opposition any longer just expatriate them? If we don’t agree with your leftist view we are no longer Americans in your eyes? I assume the continued operation of the Swamp known as the Deep State and all the corruption it entails is a-ok with you? The good news is Trump will leave sooner or later and you have another chance to elect Hillary, or some other leftist person of color. Then the cronies can get back to work making millionaires out of attorneys like “Robert Mueller Net Worth is $18 million dollars and earns an annual income of $2 million dollars” or even “Andrew McCabe Net Worth is $11 Million dollars and earns an annual Income of $1 Million dollars”. You know how “an attorney” amasses millions and buys a brand new Audi luxury car for $310,000 USD? On his pay as Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, that’s how!
I’d say that McCabe’s candor is probably higher than Jared Kushner’s. I wonder if he’ll have any security clearance now. https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/AP-Exclusive-Kushner-Cos-filed-false-documents-12762185.php
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:22 amRev, the Dems are fighting for all those little guys — you know, the ones with 6 figure pensions who are in a position of power to influence/nullify an election. You don’t get it.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:23 amHis comment has a first name.
It’s O-S-C-A-R.
That balogna has a second name.
It’s M-A-Y-E-R.
What a load of hooey.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:25 amThat internet net worth stuff, like Pinandpuller posted, is for entertainment purposes only.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:25 am
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:25 amThat’s obviously not true since uranium isn’t just “property” or the government wouldn’t have to approve its sale like they do firearms. And like they did in Fast & Furious, corrupt leftist democrat government officials sold our country down the crapper for money and power. Typical. But you keep right on supporting the Deep State swamp, comrade.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:28 amThat’s how the leftists do it, nk. If you don’t like the citation wave it away with a snob gesture. You know, entertainment being what it is. I’m sure you have the “authentic numbers” so let’s see’em.
As for “how “an attorney” amasses millions and buys a brand new Audi luxury car for $310,000 USD”, people inherit money, see e.g. the Trumps and the Kushners, or marry into it, or both, as well as amass it.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:30 am“only” a court martial?
Conviction by a general court martial is equivalent to being found guilty of a felony, according to Wikipedia.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:30 amJared Kushner is a lawyer who has been working for the FB fricken I for twenty years with working knowledge of the appearance and application of inpropriety in the civil service?
Not according to my wiki.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:31 am
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:32 amOf course you would, nk since partisan hate of Trump overcomes any sense of honesty, law or fair play when it comes to condemning him and his family. You can now send in the Greek cops to make sure Kushner eats the proper donuts. Cause you ain’t corrupt.
@117: I don’t happen to believe those figures about McCabe net worth either. Doesn’t change a thing.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:32 amI’m sure you have the “authentic numbers” so let’s see’em.
Very few people have other people’s financials.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:32 amYou can now send in the Greek cops to make sure Kushner eats the proper donuts.
Baklava.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:33 amSO we agree that McCabe is a hooker. Now we’re just trying to figure out if he’s a cheap one.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:38 amLook up Hope Hicks (age 29) on that site – she’s supposedly worth almost double what McCabe (age 50) is.
When the government infringes on basic rights, they are supposed to have a good reason for doing so (“compelling interest”).
If there was a good reason to stop the Uranium One deal, why didn’t the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Energy or the Nuclear Regulatory Commission object? I’ll tell you why: it was a routine transaction.
Which agency do you think is in a better position to assess the adequacy of the nation’s uranium supply – the Department of State? Or the Department of Defense, Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission?
I looked up the stats and posted them once before, but IIRC only about 1% of the transactions reviewed by CFIUS are blocked.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:49 amI have seen 4 or 5 very different and very confidently expressed answers about this. Yay Internet.
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:55 amI always like it when I see something new on Patterico’s Pontifications. And what’s new with McCabe is no people calling “lying to the FBI” a process crime, contrived, manufactured, entrapment, coercion, etc., etc., etc., like so many times before.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:56 amnobody entrappered mccabe except himself though (and his sleazy wife)
the corrupt FBI filth don’t hold themselves accoutnable
this is a unicorn
an aberration
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:59 amBefore anybody accuses me of “lack of candor,” I misremembered what I saw in the chaos surrounding me at 3am last night.
Hicks is allegedly worth more than McCabe, but not double
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:02 amoopers the corrupt FBI filth don’t hold themselves *accountable* i mean
but what your criticize makes me think about though
is how democrats seem ok with these fbi slutboys lying with impunity
but they get VERY agitated at the idea of a dirty federal pension slut losing a pension
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:02 amSpeaking of contrived and coercion;
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/ca-teacher-placed-on-leave-after-asking-if-school-would-allow-student-walkout-over-abortion/
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:03 amlol
Patterico (115b1f) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:10 amIf it were a free market then Rancho Seco would have been putting in a bid for the uranium and Sacramento Municipal Utilities would be lowering rates instead of charging a 2.5 % annual increase to pay for wind mill (stones).
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:11 amAnd what’s new with McCabe is no people calling “lying to the FBI” a process crime, contrived, manufactured, entrapment, coercion, etc., etc., etc., like so many times before.
Good Lord. We’re talking about a firing and removal of pension, not jail time. Gee, maybe that’s the difference.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:15 amYeah well. Getting paid $750K by a crook you’ve manuevered yourself into investigating; keeping a key bit of electronic evidence from that investigation under wraps for a year, is in no way contrived.
Is that a process crime? Should be a felony in my opinion.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:16 amAnd that right there is enough for you to be prosecuted if you said it to the FBI. If they choose.
Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:21 amWhether McCabe has 11 million in the bank or he goes on foodstamps tomorrow.
Him being fired two days before cashing out with full pension, sure as hell ain’t sad.
That’s a happy ending.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:23 amNobody seems concerned about repeated, open presidential interference and prejudice in the investigative process here, either.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:25 amYou think McCabe will be stupid enough to fight his firing for just cause in a D.C. court?
I hope he does. I hope he fights for a long, long, long, long, (stipulate ten more longs) budget draining TIME.
Just like Mark Steyn.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:28 amOff-topic: John Goodman looks more like Rex Tillerson than Rex Tillerson does.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:31 amYou think McCabe will be stupid enough to fight his firing for just cause in a D.C. court?
He might be better off with a PR campaign that would make a super-majority in both chambers of Congress (needed to override Trump’s veto) comfortable with signing on to a private bill to restore his pension. Or he can just wait until 2021 when there will be a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:33 amYou think President Trump’s tweets have influence over the Federal bureaucracy? How quaint.
In theory he’s supposed to.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:34 amOr he can just wait until 2021 when there will be a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.
I can’t figure a sane person hoping for that outcome.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:35 amdirty fbi slutboy Andrew McCabe’s pension makes no difference
what matters is how all the other trashy incompetent fbi pansy trash realize now that they’re not immune to the same laws and harassment and accountabilities they love to shove up the asses of their political enemies
plus their social standing is now somewhere between failmerica’s dirty child-molesting public school teacher trash and isis
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:38 amJust testing you juche Dave, trust longtime Soviet stooge Panetta or saic principal gates not to allow the Russians to acquire a critical stake in our uranium xepositsm
narciso (e534aa) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:40 amYeah, they might move the Uranium mines to Russia.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:43 amYou think McCabe will be stupid enough to fight his firing for just cause in a D.C. court?
He might be better off with a PR campaign that would make a super-majority in both chambers of Congress (needed to override Trump’s veto) comfortable with signing on to a private bill to restore his pension. Or he can just wait until 2021 when there will be a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:33 am
Yes, who knows, he may deserve it. But then again, perhaps he doesn’t. He and so many others have acted totally above board, sans subterfuge, in accordance with their codes of conduct.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:44 am“Before anybody accuses me of “lack of candor,” I misremembered what I saw in the chaos surrounding me at 3am last night.”
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:02 am
I suppose too many chickens, not enough time before teh rooster crows could be bumfuzzeling.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:48 amHow dare you suggest a student protest of retail level child murder on an industrial scale without Democrat approval!
That’s a suspension. Video here.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:48 amAnother flaw with the Uranium conspiracy theory is that CFIUS can’t prevent a sale from happening; all they can do is pass the buck to the president for a final decision.
And since Obama is the devil incarnate, he would have approved the deal regardless, right?
So the CFIUS decision was totally irrelevant to anything.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:49 amI can’t figure a sane person hoping for that outcome.
There’s a kind of expectation that is not hope. It’s called “dread”.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:59 am@130 nk
I think I can say that you have a problem with the thin blue line and selective enforcement under color of law and whatnot. A lawyer guy with 22 years in is either extremely confident or extremely reckless in dishing out lies and obstruction while selectively investigating a whole barrel of liars and criminals. He could dolly up the barrel if he’s a stand up guy, but like Mueller that’s a dust jacket bio as genuine as Richard Bachman’s.
Pinandpuller (15ea4a) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:02 amNope. My bottom line is that whatever McCabe may or may not have done, firing him two days before his pension vests is small, petty, nasty, vicious, vindictive, pansyish, pussyish, and filthy and, furthermore, crowing about it on Twitter is small-dickish.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:07 am*Spoiler Alert
When you get out of church today Trump is still president and McCabe is still BTFO.
Pinandpuller (15ea4a) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:07 amYou misspelled ‘awesome’.
Pinandpuller (15ea4a) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:08 amThe federal bureau of incompetents needs to be flushed. These people are dangerous and should b/e put down. For crimes sake if it were me I would have been jailed over a year ago. This country is not sustainable with agencies like the FBI. Lock and load brothers and sisters, the sh!t is about to hit the fan.
mg (9e54f8) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:09 amI read last night that spanking your kids reduces their IQ by five points so you can blame that for my gleeful enthusiasm Mr nk. And also I usually manage to quit before I get fired and I’ve never worked outside the private sector so no sympathy here.
Pinandpuller (15ea4a) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:11 amTime to crush all public employee unions to dust.
Pinandpuller (15ea4a) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:16 am@156: Public employees live in a different world. That’s fine, but don’t expect “320 million Americans” to relate to your visions of unicorns.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:22 amIf a pension is not vested until 20 years, and firing them before 20 years, regardless exactly how far before, is wrong, then I guess the only remedy is to make them vested on their first day.
I’m actually surprised the public sector hasn’t already secured that.
Probably will be remedied soon if I know the public sector.
the Bas (3bcea0) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:25 amFor all worrying about McCabe’s pension, he still gets it. What he doesn’t get is the ability to take it at age 50, and he doesn’t get a “top up” in formula. He will have to wait until he is 57.
pete (a65bac) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:38 amhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/03/17/no-andrew-mccabe-isnt-losing-his-pension/#15bf56d2236d
Thank you, pete.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:42 amIt might even be correct.
But according to shipwreckedcrew, FBI pensions are different from the FERS benefits the author mentions. They vest at either 25 years of service, or 20 years of service and age 50, or not at all.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:48 amFor all worrying about McCabe’s pension, he still gets it.
this isn’t what the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts are saying
they say he lost his whole pension and it’s not fair it’s not fair
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:50 amYes, that’s why I’m not taking the Forbes article pete linked as 100% correct. It could all be, CNN and Forbes and all the other usual suspects, maneuvering to manipulate the public perception.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 10:55 amThis makes it sound like a FERS retirement plan with an asterisk, nk:
There is more at the link but nothing about McCabe. I think it is an older article.
This government website says law enforcement and other employees have different rules for calculating benefits, but it sounds like the FERS rules otherwise apply. If so, he vested at 5 years but he can’t retire at 50 unless he has 20 years’ service.
That’s what Trump should be saying. Few people will care if he can’t retire at 50 since we can’t. But Trump likes to play the role of Macho Man and taking away a pension sounds Very Macho.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:03 amAre all lawyers as stupid as they seem?
mg (9e54f8) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:05 amQuien es maw macho? El Presidente o Las Tres Letras?
Don’t Cry For Me,
ArgentinaPattericoIt won’t be easy, you’ll think it strange
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:08 amWhen I try to explain how I feel
That I still need my pension after getting this raw deal
You won’t believe me, all you will see’s
a guy chewing his nails
Although you think me above reproach,
it’s wind in sails
And if I’ve failed
You know schiff happens, I had to do it
I had to plot and plan
Looking out of the window, staying out of the sun
So I chose Clinton, that soulless shrew it wasn’t fun
She didn’t impress me
But her money sure did
Don’t cry for me, Patterico
The truth is, I’ll get the money
The law’s for yokels, not this existence
I’ll get teh money
Give truth some distance
What brand and model of car do you drive, nk?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:11 am
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:13 amSo now Trump took away this pigs pension? Couldn’t be his boss fired him for a sh!t list of offenses, could it?
Heh! I admit to being a stupid lawyer, mg. What other explanation could there be for reading comments here?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:13 am@172 I’ll take a stab at that , Colonel and guess a Subaru Outback with the standard COEXIST sticker.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:14 amindividuals aren’t responsible for the consequences of their actions in the happy world of nevertrump Mr. Reverend
they are, after all, True Conservatives
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:15 amtrue conservatives like Jeff Flake whose gift to America is his disgustingly racist son
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:17 amWhat brand and model of car do you drive, nk?
Boeing 727 with gold-plated bathroom faucets. I don’t begrudge other people their possessions just because I don’t have them, Haiku.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:17 amSavannah’s St. Patrick’s Day parade is the second-largest in the United States and third-largest in the world
nobody tells me anything
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:28 amThat is a bad case of over-compensation, nk.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:30 amIt’s like when a Colorado friend called to let me know he’d written a check for a 2015 Corvette. I said, “so this means you’ve joined the sect?” “Sect”, he asked…
I responded “yeah, sect… gold chain, short of dick, thick of neck”…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:34 amForgive me if I misunderstood you, but I thought your question was in the same vein as random viking’s: “Most people don’t get McCabe’s pension, so why should we care whether he loses his?” I don’t think that’s should be a consideration. It’s too egalitarian. I would even say Commie thinking.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:35 amLa mujer con el nombre de las tres letras es mas macho!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:36 amI wish Congress would eliminate the ability to retire at 50 (after 20 years of service) for all federal employees who move into the executive suites. The purpose behind early retirement for service agencies like the FBI is that the agents are out in the field in their work, or they are directly supervising field agents. It’s hard to do that as you age, and there are simiar provisions for state and local firefighters and police officers.
But once they step into the executive office and become entitled to the power, bigger salaries and perks, they should forego retiring at 50. There is no point to that benefit — just the opposite — they are executives because of their experience and knowledge, not because they are in the field. They can work long past 50 like the rest of America.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:39 amMy actual car is a 2006 Nissan Altima, with 52,800 original miles. No bumper stickers of any kind, only dents. But it is red.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:40 amI hope Sessions did fire McCabe for cause, Hoagie, but we should also acknowledge that everyone who works for Trump knows they need to be loyal and please him. Do you believe your employees tried to please you?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:43 amHi padre queria un hijo, Haiku.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:46 amWell as long as it’s red.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:46 amMi padre. Autocorrect no dice Espanol.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:46 amtons of these sloppy slimy corrupt fbi agents stay behind a desk their whole entire careers
they’re not executives they just like air conditioning
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:58 amThey can work long past 50 like the rest of America.
pathological liar Andy McCabe’s new story is he always meant to retire at 50
that was his dream this whole time he says
Andy McCabe lies a LOT.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:59 amI felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if a lifetime of experience dealing with the government was stripped away and suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:01 pmI have a dream of Andy McCabe breaking rocks in Fort Leavenworth, with Hillary Clinton along side him, serving as a trustee/overseer.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:06 pmDRJ, why should the taxpayer not want justice to prosecute the guilty obamacrats involved in this conspiracy against the founding fathers vision?
mg (9e54f8) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:11 pmPeas in a pod:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/comeys_mccabe_narrative_crumbles_as_he_hawks_his_new_book.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:11 pmDrudge has a poll up asking should President Trump fire Mueller?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/18/theyre-gonna-blow-lefties-lose-their-damn-minds-over-drudge-poll-asking-if-trump-should-fire-mueller/
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:21 pmMcCabe wouldn’t do us wrong
Frankie and Johnny Frank Crumit 1927
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:26 pm189… y yo, tambien…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:28 pm185… how bad is the rust from salted roads, nk?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:30 pmIf Trump was part of the Founding Fathers’ vision, the Indians were not only ones chewing sacred mushrooms.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:33 pmSalted roads are life up here. Jesus, nk, you use that car like a boat (4,000/yr).
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:38 pmAlmost no rust at all, Haiku, except on a deep scratch/dent and that was only surface, it did not progress. None on the door panels, fenders or underbody. I think the body is non-ferrous. A refrigerator magnet will not stick to it. Likely the pan, too.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:39 pmWell, Ben Franklin would have been incensed, being anti-German and all.
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:40 pmYes, but hes half Scot, no the subtle hint suggested is only democrats can mine data, also put a hammerlock on their political opponents
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 12:50 pmToolie was all excited over this, except you know context:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/18/interesting-response-statement-by-mccabe-attorney-michael-bromwich/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:03 pmOh my, Captain! Putin got more of the popular vote than you!?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:11 pmThere is no “hope” involved. Sessions did fire McCabe for cause on the recommendation of several other people. This wasn’t just plucked out of thin air. I hope we can agree on that. Firing a guy in his position is no easy task regardless who is president and who is AG and regardless which party they’re from.
Then you use a “but” to say people who work for Trump know they need to be loyal and please him as if that is an unusual requirement for subordinates whether in government or not. I don’t think it is. I believe subordinates are expected and should be loyal to their superiors and try to please them or they should leave their positions…if they’re honest. There is a term for people who are not loyal: Traitor, and there is also one for those who fail to please their bosses: Failures. Yes, most of my employees were loyal and worked very hard to please me and I worked equally as hard to be the best boss, owner and restauranteur I could be because I wanted them to be pleased also. I also never hesitated to fire someone. I once fired my own mother. I’m not kidding.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:18 pm202… sounds like a Bondomobile, nk.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:18 pm
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:22 pmThat’s because Putin and the commiecrats both subscribe to the Stalin version of ballot counting. Hell, I hear Kim-Un gets almost as many popular votes as Hillary did.
@206… ASPCA… you sound like you are either in dire need of a leader to inspire and motivate you, or a new dominatrix.
My money’s on the latter…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:23 pmYes, I suspect that this Trumpism will sit well with the 13.6 million Trumpkins, but not so well with the other 320 million or so Americans.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:30 am
A bunch of #BLM and David Hogg gun grabber types are too busy rallying to care about a guy who’s asking if the Justice Department validates.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:26 pmThat internet net worth stuff, like Pinandpuller posted, is for entertainment purposes only.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:25 am
It sure is.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:27 pm201… I have 42K miles on my daily driver 2012 Abarth, but that’s mostly because I’ve worked from home much more the last 4 years and I have a few other cars to drive around town.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:28 pm@210. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!
Stormy sees whiplash. Time will tell; so will 60 Minutes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:34 pmSO we agree that McCabe is a hooker. Now we’re just trying to figure out if he’s a cheap one.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:38 am
He could soon enough be giving the Girlfriend Experience to a guy named Luther.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:36 pmFeel teh lash, ASPCA! And then suck Zombie Nixon’s toes…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:41 pmIt’s too egalitarian. I would even say Commie thinking.
A system where you literally can’t be fired at will, and you accrue a ridiculously calculated pension for life at age 50, contrived by people who benefit, and paid for by those who don’t — yeah, nk, that sounds like the opposite of Commie thinking.
random viking (6a54c2) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:43 pmBLM is probably massing on the skinny Colorado River as we speak: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/austin-bombs-appear-to-be-targeting-prominent-black-families.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-t
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:47 pmhttp://6abc.com/entertainment/bomb-threat-cancels-the-roots-sxsw-concert/3231045/
Him being fired two days before cashing out with full pension, sure as hell ain’t sad.
That’s a happy ending.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:23 am
It’s like people are saying Clara Harris should have repeatedly run over her husband on Wednesday morning not Friday evening, that was unnecessarily cruel.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:49 pmOff-topic: John Goodman looks more like Rex Tillerson than Rex Tillerson does.
Dave (445e97) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:31 am
Am I the only one here
Who’s looking forward to seeing
Sarah Chalke on TV again?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:54 pmOr he can just wait until 2021 when there will be a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.
I can’t figure a sane person hoping for that outcome.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:35 am
mr nk wants to be appointed McCabe’s Life Coach Ad Litem.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 1:56 pmChalke was the biotchy girlfriend of Ross-with-game (Ted) on a season of How I Met Your Ho of a Mom.
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:00 pm@172 I’ll take a stab at that , Colonel and guess a Subaru Outback with the standard COEXIST sticker.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:14 am
Do they give out wallet chains with those things? Outbacks I mean.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:03 pmForgive me if I misunderstood you, but I thought your question was in the same vein as random viking’s: “Most people don’t get McCabe’s pension, so why should we care whether he loses his?” I don’t think that’s should be a consideration. It’s too egalitarian. I would even say Commie thinking.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 11:35 am
In honor of St Patty’s day I will quote an Irish friend of my dad’s:
Don’t trouble me now, I’ve problems of me own.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:25 pmMG,
Like you, I want McCabe and all public employees to follow the rules, and I want there to be consequences if they break the rules. It sounds like McCabe has done several questionable things but I don’t know what to think when the reports say he has shown a “lack of candor.” Does that mean he lied about something important or that he fudged a few dollars on an expense account?
However, my review of the rules SUGGESTS (but I don’t know if I’m right) that McCabe won’t lose his pensuon and all this excitement that he might is a red herring. I think he could lose the right to early retirement at 50 but that’s very different from losing his pension. It appears the rules say FBI agents get their pensions after 5 years of service like all federal employees, but they can’t start receiving their pensions until (1) age 57, or (2) age 50 if they have worked for the FBI for 20 years. (There are also rules that let employees count years serving in military or other government service but they don’t apply to McCabe.)
In addition, I don’t think Trump has said McCabe will lose his pension, but I think Trump is fine with us thinking McCabe will lose his pension. If so, that’s posturing. I want real consequences. If McCabe lied about something important, indict him.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:30 pmthere’s absolutely nothing stopping pervy fbi suckboy Robert Mueller from indicting McCabe
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:39 pmThe DOJ has jurisdiction to prosecute federal crimes, hf. Trump could tell Sessions to file charges if there is a basis to charge.
What’s more, I’m sick of all this gloating over firing someone for being political. Trump is President. He should have spent his transition identifying politicized federal employees so he could demote them on Day One of his Presidency … but he didn’t, and he fired Chris Christie after Christie had spent months doing that very thing. Trump only has himself to blame for this. Trump loves to play the victim but we are the victims of his laziness and ignorance.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:47 pmThere’s some blame for Kushner and his family grudge against Christie, too. You know how they say all politics is local? It’s personal, too.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:53 pmSure. DRJ would have had nothing but praise if Trump started sacking career employees on day one.
I buy that.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:55 pmThe DOJ is deeply deeply corrupt and can’t be relied upon to prosecute a well-connected ex-DOJ employee like Andy.
And it’s not President Trump’s fault that the DOJ and the FBI are chock full of sleazy criminal trash. He’s done more than anyone aside from dirty Lisa Page to expose these perverted sluts for who they are.
If anybody’s at fault for this it’s the American people who for too long refused to see the nasty cowardly lickspittle FBI for the criminal organization it became right in front of their eyes.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 2:55 pmI said demote, not fire, BuDuh, and I would have praised Trump for that. I have said it many times here in the past year. I would have also liked Trump to ask for the resignations of political appointees like the US Attorneys. I think he waited until March 2017 to do that. Two months isn’t forever but it was unnecessary.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:04 pmHe should have spent his transition identifying politicized federal employees so he could demote them on Day One of his Presidency
what’s the difference exactly between the merits of firing a politicized time-serve like Rod Rosytwat vs. sacking a hyper-politicized dyke-banger like Robert Mueller
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:05 pmoopers that should say politicized *time-server* not time-serve
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:05 pmoh.
i’m unfamiliar with the merits of demoting corrupt government worker trash versus firing them
but so is everybody
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:07 pmWasn’t Trump elected to drain the government swamp, hf? Are you saying he is unable to do what he promised to do?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:07 pmDemoting people gets them out of management positions so they can’t make important decisions.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:09 pmoh my goodness this is *exactly* what draining the swamp looks like
you’ll notice the first lady isn’t a mentally ill harvardtrash sacky or an ESL fashion horse bush broad
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:09 pmCivil servants can’t be fired but they can be demoted. You can ask for resignations of political appointees and fire them if they refuse. This is Employment Law 101.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:10 pmYes and when he asked only half of the resignations, the usual suspects freaked, including schumer factotum preet bhaara.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:10 pm@216. Haiku! Gesundheit!
Stormy sees ahead: $130,000; peenuts from a peon.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:12 pmDemoting people gets them out of management positions so they can’t make important decisions.
if this is the goal we need to start by demoting closet-case kentuckyslut Mitch McConnell
it’s his job to get people in place so that people can be demoted
he lost interest in this after installing his corrupt pig wife in a cushy cabinet position that comes with a sweet sweet rolling-large McCabe-style pension
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:12 pmYou are so predictable, hf. Change the subject when you get overwhelmed. Insult Texans when you think it will get a response. Does this really work for you? It doesn’t seem like a good life plan to me.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:12 pmI see. You would have been pleased if Trump demoted people on day one. No calls that he rushed to judgement?
Ok.
BuDuh (d99848) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:13 pmit’s an awesome life plan I just got back from brunch and I think I’m going to hawaii in december
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:14 pmJust like tillerson did his best to retain Obama holdovers like nourazedeh. Fmrly of niac. When do we get a chance to put people with the presidents vision in place, at this point only 51% of appointees have been confirmed.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:17 pmIt’s called a Transition, BuDuh. Trump should have brought in his people on Day One. Democrats would complain as they did with Bush, but doing it in the beginning is smart because people expect a new President to make changes.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:18 pmA year is a transition, mcconell is AWOL,
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/03/can-we-just-say-it-facebook-is-evil-its.html
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:20 pmHow long has Richard grenell, just to use one example been waiting?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:22 pmThe Senate is confirming Trump’s nominees at the same rate as Bush and Obama, but Trump is lagging behind both Bush and Obama in the number of nominations. He is making good nominations, so that’s nice, but 4 years goes by quickly. Nominees need time in office to make changes. That’s why Presidents have a Transition.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:27 pmI am getting more confused. You wanted Trump to demote career employees and have their jobs filled by Trump people on day one?
Wouldn’t that bloat the swamp?
BuDuh (d99848) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:28 pmI just ran a refrigerator magnet around my ’07 Altima hybrid and it’s all steel outside the skirts. I doubt I will ever get another daily driver that doesn’t have push button start. I hope you all get to experience that even if you don’t have 11 million in the bank.
I haven’t seen Beldar comment for a minute so here’s some lawyer bait. A guy with a YouTube channel know as Samcrac buys wrecked cars and posts videos of his rebuilds. He bought a wrecked Domino’s DXP delivery car at auction for about $500 I think. He started fixing it up and all of a sudden he was getting takedown notices. Now Domino’s is trying to seize the car. IDK, lotta lawyer and trademark layers on the whole deal
Samcrac v Domino’s
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:29 pmand you have trash like perjuring commie-fellator John Brennan who’s been out of his position for many many moons and the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts still treat him like the number one go-to guy when they want a reliable narrative-supporting opinion on failmerica’s sleazy coward-ass gold-plated intelligence agencies
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:30 pmGot the push button start on our 2013 MB… pretty slick.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:30 pmthat’s definitely significant
Mitch isn’t getting the job done he’s almost as useless as Meghan McCain’s awol cowardpig war hero daddy
but if you break it out and look at the sleazier more corrupt departments like Justice, State and the tranny-trash Mattis Defense department the disparity is much greater
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:38 pmBrendan’s an i teresting one, he couldn’t initially be confirmed for director, because he knew about the interrogation program, not necessarily approved of it, mostly because of the defamatory we saw with pripubluca, the times and the post, last week.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:38 pmBuDuh, I want any Republican President to nominate officials who can step in on Day One to deal with staffing and policy issues in their agency/department. I want Presidents to have reviewed each agency and department to identify questionable policies and leaders/employees that need to be addressed, so the President can give guidance to his nominees regarding what they need to do in their agencies/departments. I want Presidents to go work with the nominees to have a blueprint of what they need to accomplish to set a better course.
That is what happens in a Presidential Transition, but it didn’t seem to happen with Trump. I think it’s because he fired Christie and ignored all the work he had done, so Trump basically had no Transition. That’s the kind of Transition I want Democrats Presidents to have, not Republican Presidents.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:42 pmThat may mean more employees for awhile but then you put a hiring freeze in place and drain the swamp through normal retirements of people leaving the job, especially demoted personnel who may devide to find other employment. That is what Tillerson did at State.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:46 pmthere’s no evidence we’d have been better off by following the Christie blueprint
and a lot of evidence that we would have had a lot of leftist christie-approved swamptrash all up in it
remember christie got his start in politics as an attorney with the hyper-corrupt failmerican department of justice
he’s an old school pig
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:46 pmbush confirmation rate as of 12/31/17 = 67%
food stamp confirmation rate = 69%
President Trump confirmation rate = 60%
Yeah, that Trump is one strong leader. He can’t get his nominees confirmed when his own party controls the Senate. I wonder if it’s because the GOP Senators are afraid of the NRA.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:47 pmGOP Senators are people like cowardpig war hero John McCain who can’t even bother to drag his useless cowardly ass to Washington to vote
and you have Jeff Flake who’s too busy imbuing racist values in his children to focus on governing
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:51 pmIf I get ef me lottery money I’m going to buy an RV, install a pizza oven and we cook it while we drive to your house.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:52 pmYou also believe that the Obama administration was forthcoming and transparent during the transition?
BuDuh (d99848) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:53 pmYou know you’re right, happyfeet. That lazy, good-for-nothing GOP Congress wouldn’t even legalize the Dreamers or ban AR-15s like Trump promised Chuck and Dianne. What a way to let the President down.
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:57 pmtrump didn’t do any promise all up in it
he told dianne he would do tit for tat
and she giggled and blushed
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:59 pmLet’s look forward, not in the rearview mirror, shall we?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:59 pmNo, that’s flakes calling
https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/meet-hillary-clintons-other-more-powerful-shadowy-oppo-research-firm/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 3:59 pmSo not only was Australia was a party to the Clinton foundation, but downer was a recipient of their largess:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/975438215657246720
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 4:15 pmForgive me colonel…
urbanleftbehind (ddcc04) — 3/18/2018 @ 4:27 pmhttps://reason.com/blog/2018/03/15/national-school-walkout-abortion-guns
This is outrageous. I’ll set the table for you.
Rocklin is represented in Sacramento by Republican Kevin Kiley in the assembly (won office by 64.6%, to the pasty faced Democrat halfwit challenger’s 35.4%).
It’s represented by Republican Ted Gains in the State Senate (won by such a Putinesque lopsided victory that Wikipedia is ashamed to show the numbers).
It’s Representative in Washington is Republican Tom McClintock.
Placer County has not voted for a Democratic nominee for President since Jimmy Carter.
You want to talk about petty?
If there was even one actual parent with a child in Rocklin High complaining about this teacher you can bet your [dingo] that they ran for office on a Democrat ticket and had their [crikey dingo] handed back to them, still nursing the [dingo] hurt.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 4:44 pmSay nk. Did your car get dented by maurading children during the anti-gun riot that ensued from your local school district releasing the juvenile delenquents to their own lawless recognisance? *wink* *wink*
I’m thinking you should file a complaint with the school district for damages. *wink* *wink*
How else are they to learn?
Let them shake a little.
papertiger (c8116c) — 3/18/2018 @ 4:53 pmThe Obama cabal needs to be cordoned and then have its head cut off.
mg (9e54f8) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:03 pmI’m not sure if you are talking to me but we’ve exchanged several comments on Presidential transitions so it may be. e
I don’t recall much about Obama’s tradition but I think, and thought then, that he is a socialist and he wants to do whatever he can to instill socialist values and policies in the federal government. Accordinpgly, I did not want Obama to have a productive transition. I doubt he did since he thinks he is smarter than everyone else, which can make a person controlling and a perfectionist, but he certainly learned. He ultimately had a (in my view) negative impact on culture and government in his 8 years because he learned to be patient and delegate.
IMO being a successful delegator is a quality that successful Presidents share. Sometimes Trump is good at delegating, such as in his judicial nominations. I hope he does that more in the next three years.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:05 pmCorrection: I don’t recall much about Obama’s transition, not tradition.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:06 pmBut, to be clear, I don’t think transition teams have to be forthcoming and transparent. They have to be organized and competent so the new Administration can act quickly to put the people and ideas in place that will make the changes the new President wants to make. For whatever reason, Trump wasn’t ready.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:11 pmi wouldn’t be so quick to judge for all we know President Trump could be the number one best transitioner once we have the luxury of hindsight
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:15 pmTrump loves supporters like you, happyfeet. He should send you a MAGA gift pack.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:20 pmthat would be sweet but it’s completely unnecessary
if someone wants to email me for my address let me know
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:25 pmDRJ, I think someone posted this before, but in case you missed it, here is a nice thought experiment courtesy of Rush
the Bas (3bcea0) — 3/18/2018 @ 5:58 pmSounds nice. It’s stupid but it sounds nice.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:02 pmI will clarify.
You also believe that the Obama administration counterparts to the Trump transition team forthcoming and transparent during the transition in 2016?
BuDuh (58bb3b) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:09 pmI’m sorry but I don’t understand what you are asking, BuDuh.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:11 pmActually no, condoleeza rice among others recommended tillerson, (chevron / Exxon tie) that didn’t work out so well, he took a gamble on haley who wasn’t a fan, and that’s worked out better. Brennan used his authority to deny clearances to Harvey, lovinger, townley,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:12 pmAre you asking if Obama’s Administration was helpful to Trump and his transition team before Trump took office? If so, I doubt it.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:12 pmThere may have been basic organizational information provided. But it was probably already known to the GOP.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:13 pmObama did all he could to sabotage the transition (including having Comey attempt to blackmail Trump with the fake Fusion GPS dossier). That’s why Trump needed a tough, street-wise cookie like Christie to fight for him. But what happened: “Oh no that won’t do, Daddy! That mean old Christie put my husband Jared’s daddy in prison. Fire him, Daddy! Fire him!”
nk (dbc370) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:14 pmSo, the people that should have been demoted immediately should have been part of the GOP playbook?
I wonder if they gave Trump a list?
BuDuh (58bb3b) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:17 pmA transition team should research available people. Ask national, state and local GOP resources for recommendations and then have your transition team research them. Look for strengths and weaknesses that for Trump’s vision. Trump acts like he knows how to pick people. He brags about his insight and business experience. This isn’t brain surgery but it does take discipline and time to do the research.
I would bet money that Christie did the research but Trump didn’t trust him so he let Pence and Priebus pick from their network. Outsourcing to the GOPe was not be a good idea if you can for office on a Drain The Swamp platform. So now he has wasted a year and he only has four, so that’s 25% of his term.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:20 pmAnd it’s likely he only has one more year with a GOP Congress.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:21 pmnk is right.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:22 pmThe whole year was wasted because every pick he has had was bad? Is that how you get to 25%?
BuDuh (58bb3b) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:23 pmNot all Trump’s picks were bad but they did not seem ready for prime time. Too much infighting wasted valuable time, but we know Trump likes infighting.
Does it seem to you that Trump was organized and effective at accomplishing his goals this past year? His judicial nominations worked well but the travel ban was botched and botched again. He didn’t work well with Congress on repealing ObamaCare or on DACA. Granted, there is a learning curve on being President but there is also a 4 year time limit and a limited amount of public support/patience.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:30 pmBut, yes, that is how I got to 25%. One-fourth of his four year term.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:31 pmWell that is an inaccurate way to track appointments.
BuDuh (12ed57) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:44 pmhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/18/while-trumps-critics-keep-talking-our-president-fulfilling-his-promises-christopher-buskirk-column/1041117001/
BuDuh (12ed57) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:45 pmWe discussed appointments above (246, 249, etc.). This was a point about the limits of his 4 year term, and clearly 25% of his term has elapsed.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 6:57 pmIt’s fine if a kid comes home with all C’s on his report card, and it may be great if that’s the best he can do, but probably he can do better. Trump can do better.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:01 pmPretty sly.
BuDuh (12ed57) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:09 pm“Sounds nice. It’s stupid but it sounds nice.”
Strike that, I say strike that, your Honor, poorly phrased…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:23 pmAnd what grade what you give the senate and house?
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:28 pmI’d give Cornyn a swift kick in the ass
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:50 pmI don’t have a grade but the GOP Congress is disappointing to me as a conservative. It’s not surprising but still disappointing, especially the Texas delegation.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 7:57 pm301… ALL of them disappoint. It’s like they’re more comfortable out of power, content with complaining.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:18 pmA lot of people are simply content with complaining, it seems to me.
It takes a lot less work than trying to fix anything, after all.
Simon Jester (ca9668) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:38 pmExcept for my rep, Simon, they are generally a dissapointment, Cornyn isn’t surprising except as a fmr judge I might have expected more.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:40 pmCongress typically operates by finding a middle ground, but it’s hard to find any middle ground on issues now.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:40 pmOn the other hand, the basketball tournament has been great.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/18/2018 @ 8:44 pmDoes “these days” include the passage of Obamacare, or is that when the middle ground style was working swimmingly?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:12 pmA poor use of quotes. My bad. But, you get the idea.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/18/2018 @ 9:30 pmObamaCare is a disaster IMO. There was a time when mainstream Americans had similar values so compromise did not result in big cultural changes, but that changed in the 1960’s. There is no room to compromise on abortion, the death penalty, SSM, nationalized healthcare, and similar polarizing cultural issues.
For conservatives, maybe the best we can hope for is that Congress will get very little accomplished, and that is generally what we’ve seen.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:18 amThe left is relentless in trying to fundamentally transform America,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:25 amNo Republican voted for Obamacare. However, comity had already faded by the Shrub’s second term. Both Roberts (78-22) and Alito (58-42) got Democrat votes, but by the time of Alito the Republicans (yes, as in GOP) were talking about the nuclear option to end the filibuster. Of course, they did not have the guts to do it, but when Obama needed it, Harry Reid did. Have the guts.
nk (dbc370) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:39 amSo the hard to find middle ground has nothing to do with Trump?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:41 amWho had therapist to deal with the crisis of w’s election then reeled lion, so it has to be butterfly ballot or diebold or gerrymandering, these excuses didn’t explain 2006 or 2008 though
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:45 amLet’s say Trump is not the person to restore things to the time when Sandra Day O’Connor was confirmed 100-0 and Scalia (that Scalia!) 98-0.
nk (dbc370) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:48 amWould Ted Cruz have been the person that could restore things?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 6:55 amIn case you haven’t noticed, they already have and I believe it’s irreparable. They now regulate religion, speech and even thought and you know they are coming for Americans guns. Soon. They are building a force of children using our schools and our money to do so. They dictate what speech is acceptable and determine how many “genders” exist on any given day. They turned our once great military into a lab for women, homosexuals and transgendered deliberately to compromise it. They corrupt the educational system from K-12 and now they want to control pre-school too cause 5 years old ain’t young enough to start the brainwashing. They control and have basically ruined higher education.
With the left everything is political, education, information, the military, entertainment, news, TV, sports, the Olympics, guns, murder, immigrants, illegals, healthcare, you name it and it’s all political. Even pronouns are subject to leftist approval.
We are now so far behind the curve it is impossible to catch up with the damage they have wrought upon our nation let alone stop or reverse it. While we worked and were distracted with sports and celebrities they were programming our children and even us. While we saluted the flag they burnt it and we said it was free speech. They programmed us. While we worked and paid our taxes they used those taxes to buy votes with welfare and section 8 housing, Obamacare and obamaphones. We let them because we are programmed to. They took over the cities through Unions then created ghettos filled with modern day slaves dependent on handouts and we let them because the we fighting a War on Poverty. So how’s poverty doing? Is it gone yet?
Now they’re convincing people that immigrants are somehow needed in America when we have 7 million men out of the job force. They bring in people from all over and shove them into our cities and take our hard earned money to support them and if we balk we’re called racists. It’s funny how if they bring in millions and millions of non Caucasian people to marginalize the white majority they aren’t racists but if we call them on it we are!
They’ve destroyed everything they touched from the Boy Scouts to NASA to the military to the black family and they hold themselves up as virtuous elites full of compassion. It’s getting near time to revolt because once they take our guns, and that they will as soon as the next commiecrat takes office, all hope for revolution and the survival of freedom will be gone.
Now all the Fake News outlets are beginning the slow beat of “the Republicans are going to lose the midterms” meme. Because they and their willing accomplices in the GOPe and neverTrumpers want to “talk” us out of victory. And after two years of unrelenting anti Trump propaganda from the Media, Education, Celebrities, Sports figures, and now “the children” when Republicans lose they will be programmed to blame Trump. Blame yourselves for not fighting the swamp with him.
I know, Trump isn’t the type of pig we want representing us or they type we can get behind and support. How does an unending line of Obama’s and Hillary’s sound then cause that’s what we’ll get.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:00 amIt has nothing to do with Trump to me. We are too polarized as a nation on cultural issues. My problem with Trump is that he doesn’t have clear guiding principles so I never know what he stands for or where he wants to lead us. MAGA is a nice idea but I have no idea what it means.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:15 amThe problem is as they see it, ‘bitter clinger’ or ‘deplorable’, who want go along, so they set up ‘teaching opportunities’ like Sanford which was nothing of the kind, engineer ‘fast and furious’ to great the groundswell fir gun confiscation,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:23 amIts the same dynasty in brexit, which may is insisting on squandering and the macron vs le pen and fillon race, as long as you use the power of the state to suppress the opposition and blame the russians
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:27 amThis is who were supposed to negotiate with:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:32 amhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/18/dc-council-member-apologizes-after-blaming-snowfall-on-jewish-bankers-controlling-climate.html
Some basic truth: there are long-time FBI employees, working at the FBI well before Trump came onto the scene, that say McCabe lied to us, lies all the time, he’s gotta go.
That’s good enough for me, but ymmv…
Colonel Haiku (1fcc64) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:42 amJust think of it as MATA…
Colonel Haiku (1fcc64) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:43 amThe decline of American culture started in 2003 (Season 3, Episode 18), when Timmy’s Dad was elected Miss Dimmsdale.
nk (dbc370) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:44 amOf course rothschilds actually believe in the skydragon.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:49 amIt always works out that way:
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:55 amhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/corbyn-s-drive-for-tolerance-gave-platform-to-extremists-lj938vs0f
You know guys, when I was 14 I joined my sister (ten years my senior) and our church group to go down South to Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina and join the Rev. Martin Luther King’s march for equal rights. We were mocked, hosed, chased, threatened and called all sorts of nasty names. But we believed what King said about judging a person by the content of his character not the color of his skin. We marched and we win. The civil rights laws were written and discrimination based on a persons race was declared illegal, immoral and best of all not acceptable in decent society. That means culturally abhorrent. Unacceptable. Low class.
But they all lied to me. To us. Next thing I knew there was Affirmative Action which was exactly the type of racism we just fought against! They actually declared racism illegal in one breath and then mandated that racism was legal in the next breath. Only highly educated Harvard lawyers could come up with and instant racist replacement for outlawed racism. So then I knew I was used. I was lied to. And now I, the guy who marched for equal rights , was being denied acceptance to local colleges because they had to meet a black quota for Affirmative Action and guess what? I wasn’t the right color. Now it was okay to discriminate racially against a guy who fought to outlaw racial discrimination. That’s when I learned the Left eats its own and they don’t care as long as they win.
But even before my rude awakwning in leftist racism I got my education in leftist patriotism. I enlisted in the Army in 1969. I volunteered for Vietnam cause that’s what the men in our family do. We serve. In every war since the Revolution. Proudly. After here tours and two wounds I came home. I left all those beautiful, kind little Vietnamese folks I met and to whom I pledged that America would stand strong and defend them in their hour of need because we promised! Then, the left in my country made me a filthy liar and let the people of Vietnam down (not to mention Cambodia and Laos) and allowed them to be slaughtered by the communists. That’s when I learned the left doesn’t care who dies only who wins.
Then I got married and started a business. Paid my taxes, plenty of taxes. My wife and I met a small child at a church gathering. This little child had been the victim of a botched abortion where he actually lived and fortunately was rescued from his ghetto mother. The minute I saw this kid I loved him. It took until he was eight years old to get all the planets aligned but we were finally able to adopt him. My family and friends warned how difficult it would be to rase a black child in a white family but somewhere back in my brain I still listened to Dr. King and believed it would be okay. And it was. We had our ups and downs, our trials and tribulations but my boy grew into an honest and honorable adult. Now he has a family and started his own business and is doing pretty well. But now his son, my grandson, had decided that white people are no good. He left school and home to join Black Lives Matter which apparently is now a full-fledged “advocacy” group. He now hates me because I’m white, my wife because she’s Asian, his mother because she’ mulatto, and every Christian and especially every Jew on the planet because they “stole” civilization from black people.
Full circle? Have I lived long enough to go full circle? Everything political and cultural I’ve believed in was destroyed by leftist government. And now leftist racism is pulling my family apart. My own grandson refuses to communicate with his parents or family because they are the wring race. Full circle? Now the government of my country wants to regulate “hate speech” which is to say speech I don’t know who they think they’re kidding. They also want more firearm regulations because 20,000 are just not enough. Who do they think they’re kidding?
Drain the Swamp. We need either to eliminate the Deep State and it’s power over the people or the Deep State will eliminate what’s left of the Constitution through regulations and “decisions” by their coconspirators on the bench.
We used to carry rifels to school for our shooting team. Nobody was murdered. We used to “steal a kiss” from a cute girl and nobody was a rapist or abuser or criminal. If she didn’t like it she slapped ya. Message received. We used to call the Italian kid a Wop and if he didn’t like it we’d go a round. Nobody was “microagressed” and no hate laws were broken and no anti-bully laws were needed. We sorted it out. We could buy guns out of the Sears catalogue or at the corner hardware store. No waiting, no permits. No maniacs going around mass murdering people either. We got B-B guns when we were 8, smoked our first cigarette at 10, drove at 14, joined the army at 17, got married at 21 and nobody seemed to have a problem until the leftists decided all that was discriminatory, racist, misogynist, homophobic and Islamophobic and everything had to go.
I’m old now and past my use-by date (which we also didn’t have because we were smart enough to know what sour milk smelled like) but I pity the poor bastards growing up now. They will never know what True Liberty feels like. (it feels like falling off your bike without knee pads, elbow pads and a helmet. Love every minute of it).
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:57 amThey pretend impartiality but they started up the Iranian and Iraqi nuclear programs
https://mobile.twitter.com/omriceren/status/975737350553767937?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 7:58 amMonty python, spent a generation ridiculing the solid middle class values that got England through the war, so now its unsafe to walk the streets, thin part because the people are unarmed but the criminals are not,
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 8:09 amThat may be true but, as a society, we need to know it’s true because of facts learned through transparency. We can do this because we have elected a Republican President who has committed to draining the swamp. He can do it because he has the authority as head of the executive branch. He can appoint people of his choice and direct them to uncover the truth and reveal it to the American people.
Or not. It’s his choice.
DRJ (0280d9) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:15 am
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:29 amYou know, DRJ, it’s kinda his choice. Contrary to the leftist meme/narrative Trump is not literally Hitler. He is not a Dictator, a Nazi or some other leftist dream despot. He’s just a president. And he’s a president who when he takes a piss is pounced upon by the entire news media and leftist operation instantly. It’s been this way for at least 16 months and I’m surprised you haven’t noticed. IOW, no matter what he tries to do the entire leftosphere jumps into action to: 1) Lie and obfuscate what he does/says, 2) confuse the issue with “leaks” or 3) use ridicule in the media and on late night TV to turn it into a “joke”. We’re fighting a culture war against a guerilla army. They hit, they run, they change the meme and they hit again. We are always responding to the last indignity, the last lie or the last insult while they are two new ones ahead of us.
That constant criticism from the left, the media, and the politicians in the DC political swamp is what got Trump elected, and he knows it better than anyone. It’s a feature, not a bug, to Trump.
Trump is from New York. He lives in a political swamp and knows how to navigate it and probably how to dismantle or at least hurt it. He has chosen to navigate it because he thinks it will win him re-election.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:38 amHe wants his supporters to stay mad and he knows just what Twitter buttons to push to make that happen.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:39 amIf he wants me to shut up, build the Wall. The whole Wall, not an inch less, and a big one. The first step to MATA is to build the Wall.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:42 amPresident Trump passes the test for who is the #1 best president on America
and he makes it look so easy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:45 amDo you want him to be a dictator? You just said earlier that you don’t blame Trump for the inaction of congress.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:48 amAlso, where in the Rio Grand does that wall get placed?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:49 am330… yes, Hoagie, some of us operate like the French did in Indo-China in the 50s…
Colonel Haiku (1fcc64) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:53 amThe latest bout of civility from the new yorker
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 9:58 amOne more question, sir:
https://www.weaselzippers.us/378716-top-british-police-officer-wants-to-end-two-centuries-of-unarmed-policing-in-the-uk-by-arming-police-with-tasers/
narciso (d1f714) — 3/19/2018 @ 10:02 amSo is Monty Python’s status as go-to comedic reference by persons of the pre-millenial generation a result of an adverse Overton window where Python is the best only when compared to a worsening bunch?
If he builds the Wall, he builds west to east to spite California and satiate Arizona, so I dont know if that would be good enough, DRJ.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 3/19/2018 @ 10:03 am339, well shyte, Narciso, even the most Thatcherite hunt-loving Bobbie has the marksman skill of a Twin City POC cop, so ya gotta start em slow.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 3/19/2018 @ 10:09 amThe worst thing R.R. Had to do was pick the perv booosh as his V.P. I wish he would have picked a young Charles Schwabb.
mg (9e54f8) — 3/19/2018 @ 10:13 am“For conservatives, maybe the best we can hope for is that Congress will get very little accomplished, and that is generally what we’ve seen.”
That right there is the attitude of conservatism for two generations that has made them a caricature; forever preaching the principles, but conscientious objectors when it comes to doing the dirty work of actually getting in the trenches and fighting for them. Much too vulgar don’t you know.
So y’all sit back and tell Trump to build the wall, as if congress hasn’t had the mandate to do so for a dozen years but refuses to fund it because they might be called unpleasant names. Demanding he do it on his own after joining the progressive chorus in calling him authoritarian.
Trump was elected because of this attitude, and the understanding of it by the base. A guy from outside the establishment that promised more than speaking to principle and doing nothing. So now the nevertrump true conservatives hate him because he is joining the battle instead of only talking about it, exposing their cowardice and threatening the reputations of the pompous.
Conservatives will continue blaming Trump for their own disfavor, never admitting he is the result of, not the cause of their own ineffectiveness. Never understanding virtue is only accomplished in the doing, not the saying.
Progressives talk of their virtue all the time, but their doing puts the lie to what they say. Conservative virtue is a catch 22, because actually doing what needs to be done goes against their principles, and anyone willing to do it is an enemy to their principles. So now, even when conservative ends are being accomplished, they are discounted and the one accomplishing them are rejected as not worthy of support. Along with those that do support him.
So please nevertrumpers, continue calling us cultists and Trump junk gobblers if you must, but understand you are revealing more about yourselves than anyone else. Tories in the crisis.
the Bas (3bcea0) — 3/19/2018 @ 12:05 pmYou have a really good point there, the Bas. Conservatives know when we do things some people will get hurt. To any leftist that’s unacceptable in talk but in reality they are genocidal maniacs. I don’t care if your life is unfair, fix it or f**k you. It’s not my problem. Leftists make it my problem and call me names when I revolt. I don’t care if the tranny’s dick falls off, or the illegal gets killed by a car, or the black kid thinks he’s a victim of a 150 year old slave owner. Not my problem. Securing our border and keeping our sovereignty is. Protecting our home is. Feeding my family is. I really don’t care if one child is left behind because as a good American and a good citizen I can guarantee it won’t be my child and I’m not responsible for somebody else’s unless I choose to be.
Progressive virtue is all talk, the Bas. And it’s pitiful.
Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/19/2018 @ 12:21 pmThat highlights one difference between conservatives like me and many Trump supporters. I don’t want new federal laws because it gives Washington politicians (and lawyers!) even more control over my life. Many Trump supporters welcome new laws as long as the laws help them or hurt the people they oppose.
Maybe you are right and I’m wrong. Maybe the only path forward for America is to adopt the tactics of the left. If so, we have the right guy in Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 1:43 pmTrump campaigned on the promise to build the Wall and I want him to keep that promise. He also said Mexico would pay for it, so why involve Congress since the only reason Trump would need Congress is for funding?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 1:47 pmI was a Cruz supporter. Before he dropped out, Cruz made some wild promises trying to keep up with Trump’s wild promises. Nevertheless, if Cruz had won, I would be the first person criticizing him if he did not kept those promises. I would not make excuses for him because he was my choice; I would expect even more of him because he was my choice.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 2:02 pm“Maybe you are right and I’m wrong. Maybe the only path forward for America is to adopt the tactics of the left. If so, we have the right guy in Trump.”
Thank you for that! And yes, maybe I’m wrong. But I do know what we were doing wasn’t working. How long have we been lamenting that electing establishment republicans just means “losing more slowly”, or “better managing the decline”?
There comes a time when you have to accept the rules have changed, and you have to change too or die.
“He also said Mexico would pay for it, so why involve Congress since the only reason Trump would need Congress is for funding?”
As a Trump supporter from the start, I always understood that to mean Mexico would pay on the back end, as in no longer using the U.S. as their welfare system. Nobody believed it meant Mexico was going to cut a check on the front end, even nevertrumpers that pretend to.
the Bas (3bcea0) — 3/19/2018 @ 2:08 pmIf one of the methods for Mexico to pay for it is through reducing remittances through legislation, aren’t we back to a problem with congress?
You seem to really want Trump to do things through dictatorial fiat.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 2:09 pmI pity the poor bastards growing up now.
My young nephew is a bioengineer working to eradicate diseases and my niece in college is developing products and skills using a 3D printer– and at breakfast, uses her smartphone to check the daily weather reports… on Mars. I envy them and the magnificent future ahead of them.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/19/2018 @ 2:24 pm“I envy them and the magnificent future ahead of them.”
I think that’s what Sean Penn said about Venezuelans too.
By the way, niece and nephew are very gender specific. Would they approve of your bigotry?
the Bas (3bcea0) — 3/19/2018 @ 2:41 pmI agree we needed change and I didn’t/don’t support establishment Republicans. Where did you get that silly idea? I wanted Cruz because I thought he was different and I wanted someone different.
I also voted for Trump because I wanted to keep Texas red, so calling me a NeverTrump supporter is more silliness. And as a Trump voter, I took him at his word — that he would build a Wall and that Mexico would pay for it.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 3:05 pmGood comment, DCSCA. There are good reasons to be optimistic, and it is an amazing time we live in. Always is.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/19/2018 @ 3:08 pmThen I guess you can take him at his word for the 75% of the years he has left. Nothing to complain about until the last day.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 4:21 pmPoor math on my part. Not 75% of the time he has left. 100% of the time he has left which is 75% of the total time he gets in a term
BuDuh (fc15db) — 3/19/2018 @ 4:30 pmDRJ @352 Did you actually believe that Trump would find a way to get Mexico to pay for a wall?
This is theoretically possible in a number of ways (he could even sell bonds backed by nothing except a promise that Mexico would pay the bonds back) but he was very unlikely to go to the mat on that.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/20/2018 @ 2:21 pmThey can’t build a wall on ther Rio Grande, because a wall on the banks of the Rio Grande is alevee, and there’s a treaty with Mexico that says neither country will build levees without the otehr;s consent.
The wall would have to be set back, leaving some American property on the wrong side of the wall.
Other problematic places are nature reserves and Indian reservations.
Now Trump wants a partial wall. He’s making claims about drug dealers. When you force opiods to be less bulky you make them more dangerous. There’s no thought here. Or even attempt to think.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/20/2018 @ 2:24 pmWhatever was going on we need to see what this firing is all about. Sessions wouldn’t even explain what the FBI rule was that he said he acted in accordance with was (giving only the number) Nobody seems to know waht taht rule is.
Trump was egging them on, especially Sessions, and probably mostly because of general antipathy or suspicion of McCabe, not any detailed knowedge. Maybe also because it would make him look better. Trump also may be scared McCabe is going to lie about him, or so he’s been tweeting.
I get the feeling that some career people in the FBI think McCabe has been really dishonest. They say he lied repeatedly under oath. McCabe says he corrected mistakes as soon as he realized them. Taht doesn’t even seem to have surface plausibility even if you know none of the content.
It’s not exactly a coincidence that McCabe’s retirement was coming up now. He advanced his retirement because of this in order to beat the report. The people doing the reporting – the Inspector General’s people – carved out the McCabe case from their general investigation
of the FBI’s handling of the Clinton investigation in order to reportabout McCabe.
Now none of the people involved in teh firing of McCabe were appointed by Trump. (except Sessions)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/20/2018 @ 2:29 pmAnother point:
The New York Times and everybody ponders that the leak was
anti-Hillary and not anti-Trump.
But if McCabe was covering up for Hillary he would leak the opposite!
It sounds like he leaked that he (or the FBI) had wanted to
investigate Hillary, and had done so successfully, in spite of the fact that Justice Department officials did not to authorize subpoenas.
If, in fact, that caused trouble for an investigation, leaking that it didn’t is pro-Hillary and not anti-Hillary.
Saying a whitewash is not a whitewash is not anti the person whom you are accused of whitewashing.
This also concerned a second possible investigation into the Clinton Foundation.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/20/2018 @ 2:30 pmActually no sammeh the October 24th piece by devlin barrett, diminishes the idea of a further investigation
narciso (d1f714) — 3/20/2018 @ 2:41 pmI take him at his word, Sammy. I guess I should assume everything he says is a lie. Is that how it is with everyone from New York, Sammy? Does everyone lie as easily as they breathe?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/20/2018 @ 3:06 pmThat ignores the actual story, drj as I say its minefield starting with comey all the way down to that josh fellow, same as with Susan rice to Ben Rhodesia and ned price.
narciso (d1f714) — 3/20/2018 @ 3:15 pmHe advanced his retirement because of this in order to beat the report.
then after he was fired like the trashy little fbi slut he is what did he do?
he lied and said he’d always intended to retire at 50
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/20/2018 @ 3:20 pmHit teh link!
https://www.amazon.com/Tall-Tales-Texas-Cow-Camps/dp/125817524X
Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1) — 3/20/2018 @ 3:39 pmGreat point, Haiku. Trump is just like that book — complete fiction. The only difference is, unlike New Yorkers, Texans label their lies as fiction.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/20/2018 @ 3:56 pmsome of this good-natured ribbing of our president, President Donald Trump, kinda has an edge to it
what’s say we think about dialing that back
happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/20/2018 @ 4:04 pm