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1/15/2018

The New York Times List of Donald Trump’s “Racist” Quotes Is Garbage

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:30 pm

In honor of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s efforts to bring black and white America together, the New York Times has chosen to stoke arguments over race by amassing a collection of allegedly racist quotes by Donald Trump. The piece is titled: Donald Trump’s Racism:The Definitive List. In many places, the alleged examples of racism are dishonest and absurd. Time and time again, truthful statements by Trump are deemed to be “racist.” It’s shoddy work, and the Times ought to be deeply ashamed.

Let’s pick apart some specific examples, so you can see just how shameless this list is. I’m going to start by debunking one of the allegations at some length, because the claim of racism makes me so angry that I want you to see, in detail, why it’s so dishonest and outrageous. The Times claims::

  • He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.

This is not “racist.” It’s 100% true. In June 2014, there was a crisis at the border, particularly at the Texas border, because of Barack Obama’s DACA policy. A Washington Times story reported that immigrants were surging across the border, including large numbers of children, because of immigration policy. TV stations in Guatemala were broadcasting the message: “Go to America with your child, you won’t be turned away.” The Obama administration’s reaction to this, according to Border Patrol memos at the time, was to allow members of MS-13 into the country:

Border Patrol officials struggling to keep up with the increasing number of minors illegally crossing the Mexican border are not turning away persons with known gang affiliations. Chris Cabrera, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council Local 3307 in the Rio Grande Valley, explained that a Border Patrol agent he represents helped reunite a teenage gang member with his family in the United States. Cabrera notes the young member of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), a transnational criminal gang, had no criminal record in the U.S., but asks, “If he’s a confirmed gang member in his own country, why are we letting him in here?”

“I’ve heard people come in and say, ‘You’re going to let me go, just like you let my mother go, just like you let my sister go. You’re going to let me go as well, and the government’s going to take care of us,’” Cabrera says. “Until we start mandatory detentions, mandatory removals, I don’t think anything is going to change. As a matter of fact, I think it’s going to get worse.”

Art Del Cueto, president of the National Border Patrol Council Local 2544 in Tucson, says agents who recognize the gang-affiliated tattoos of minors crossing the border must treat them the same as anybody else. He says these people are afforded the same rights provided to anyone crossing the border.

The U.S. government at the time told a Texas federal judge that the cartels control the human smuggling process. So in fact, the cartels were using Obama’s policies to deliver young foot soldiers into the country. Many young males who came over the border after Obama announced the DACA policy admitted to being MS-13 members, and to having committed murders and other violent acts for the cartels.

But according to the New York Times, it’s “racist” for Donald Trump to point that out. Gotcha.

The New York Times also makes this claim of “racism” by Trump:

  • In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”

Again: this is not “racist.” It’s true. Affirmative action was in full swing in 1989 and remains so today. As someone with a high school senior daughter applying to college, it’s crystal clear to me that my daughter would have a large advantage over her current circumstances if she had the same grades, test scores, activities, awards, and so forth — and were also black. It would make her an absolute shoo-in at universities where she will likely be rejected. It’s not “racism” to note that well-educated blacks have a leg up on their peers in many ways.

Another example of a supposedly “racist” comment by Trump:

  • Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.

I’ll grant you that Trump’s criticism of Obama as someone who spent too much time playing golf seems comical today, as the Linksman in Chief never misses a chance to whack the little white ball around the course. But calling Trump’s criticism of Obama’s schedule “racism” reminds us that, according to Big Media, every criticism of Obama by everyone under the sun was racism. Give me a break. Every single president in modern history has been criticized by the opposition for the length and expense of their vacations, for the amount of time they spend golfing (if they golf), and so forth. Calling it “racism” when this completely normal criticism is applied to Obama is absurd.

Another allegation of “racism”:

  • Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.

Trump endorsed the Republican, after initially supporting a different Republican in the primary. And while Roy Moore and Donald Trump have both said things designed to appeal to bigots, it’s not true that Roy Moore “spoke positively of slavery.” The most you can say is that Moore said to an audience member: “You asked me [inaudible] when was [America] ever great” and said in part: “I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery…” Those may not be the words you’d like to hear coming out of your candidate’s mouth, but it is not speaking positively of slavery. Again, this accusation of racism on Trump’s part for simply supporting the Republican is a total dud.

Here’s more alleged racism from Trump:

  • In a November 2017 meeting with Navajo veterans of World War II, Trump mocked Senator Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas.”

Placing to one side the way that Trump always botches the joke (the actual joke is “Fauxcahontas”), this is not racism. If Warren were an actual Native American and Trump called her Pocahontas, it might be bigoted. But the screamingly obvious point that the Times omits here is that Warren’s claim of Native American ancestry is almost certainly false, and has consequently been the target of mockery for years.

There are plenty of examples where Trump has indeed seemingly made an appeal to bigots. Remember his refusal to denounce David Duke by pretending not to know who Duke was, when he had quit the Reform Party over Duke? Remember how he blamed it on a bad earpiece, even though he had actually said the words “David Duke”? Remember when he said a judge was prejudiced against him because, he said, the judge was “Mexican” (the judge was born in Indiana)? There are plenty more examples like this, which might not be “racism” per se but which indicate a desire to appeal to the bigoted members of society. Had the Times stuck with those examples, they would have been on more solid ground.

But no: they instead decided to classify as racism things that are unquestionably true, and to lie and distort and mislead in the process. It’s a disgusting display, and they should be ashamed — if they had the capacity for shame. Which they don’t.

As the saying goes, this is how you got Trump.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

185 Responses to “The New York Times List of Donald Trump’s “Racist” Quotes Is Garbage”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. good work Mr. Patterico

    the most racist idea I seen expressed since President Trump took office is the idea that tacky-assed trash like Maxine Waters somehow represents African Americans

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. excellent work in fact A+++ with a scratch-n-sniff sticker!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Kudos, Mr. Patterico. You did a lot of work and put in a lot of research to point out something you didn’t have to point out. I mean that because people rarely point out things like that about those they actually don’t like and don’t agree with. You took the time to show a guy you don’t like was being smeared. That takes honesty and a heapin’ helpin’ of honor. You’re OK, Mr. P.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  5. CNN’s bottom boys are pretty sure you don’t actually *need* quotes to call someone a racist, especially President Trump

    they’ve tried to pitch this idea to the rest of the media but no luck cause they’re both catchers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. Patterico,
    Thank you for taking the time to write up and post this article.

    NJRob (a2ce40)

  7. Bottom-feeding NYT… par for the course, thanks for posting!

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  8. Use president snow, sans beard its a reference they’ll recognize,
    Recall is too obscure, of course the comandantes he has little to complain about.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. The NY Times oftentimes – not always – operates in a curious fashion — they begin with a desired outcome and work backward, looking for evidence and facts that support their conclusion. When the facts and evidence are inconvenient for their narrative, no problem, they’ll mischaracterize, omit, or outright lie since their target audience’s confirmation bias precludes the need for honest reporting. Kudos for an intelligent fisking.

    This backward logic is informed by the current liberal orthodoxy which allows that isms and phobias – mostly imagined – are immoral and should limit public debate. No longer do we rationally discuss policies for say, immigration. No, we must spend all our energy on charges and refutations of racism, sexism, et al. Can anyone here tell me where I can find the Democrats’ proposal for a sane immigration policy? Spoiler alert: you won’t find it since 75% of Americans would disagree with it.

    So yeah, comments like the one from the link in comment 8 are precisely how we got Trump.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  10. We do have a problem in this country because the left has so poisoned the well about race one can’t discuss it any more. You have to choose your words so carefully and craft your sentences so politically correct that trying to relate an opinion, experience or just an idea becomes an exercise in trying to avoid the inevitable calls of “bigot” and the ever present “Raaacist”.

    At Christmas dinner my son related to me that our disassociated grandson wasn’t coming because 1) I’m white and his other grandmother is white, 2) Christians are raaaacists and 3) Jesus was a Jooo and they hate blacks. This is apparently what they teach at Penn State these days because I know he didn’t get it from his parents.

    How do you talk to people who believe in white privilege, that blacks in America are just as oppressed today as in 1860 and Jews own everything and are trying to commit genocide on everybody but especially blacks?

    Between affirmative action and Johnsons War on Poverty the democrat left has done more to destroy the black people in America than all the slaveholders and KKK members combined. And they’re still stirring the pot of envy and hate. Just look at the idiots who won’t be present for the State of the Union. IOW, the state of our nation doesn’t matter, what matters is the person delivering the report. Closed minded idiots.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  11. you should take away his matchbox 20 cds til he gets a more better attitude

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. To be a racist, Trump would have to have a capacity to empathize with people of his own race. He doesn’t have that. Even his close family he views — talks about — in terms of how they reflect on him. He is utterly, completely devoted to one person on the face of the earth, that being Donald J. Trump. Because he will tailor what he says to appeal to whatever crowd whose validation he’s seeking on any given occasion, he’s entirely capable of appealing directly and deliberate to people who are genuinely racist, playing upon their (not his own intrinsic) racism, and most of the examples of racially insensitive things he’s said stem from that.

    Given the choice between a stone-cold racist and a wholly self-obsessed narcissist, I would choose neither — as, in the 2016 presidential election, when confronted with the choice between a wholly self-obsessed narcissist and a career RICO conspirator whose entire career has been devoted to gaining and exercising political power and ill-gotten wealth, I choose neither.

    I don’t read the New York Times. Yes, our host’s criticisms of it are well-founded. But Trump’s still unfit to be POTUS. Both of those things are possible, and indeed, both are true, so that wasn’t a binary choice either.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  13. And you can’t wish it away.

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  14. all the races say President Trump’s the top banana

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. Now that’s insightful..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  16. Again: this is not racist. It’s true..

    Since when is truth a defense?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  17. Its mind arson, as robin has pointed out, its the sort of
    disingenous and charge by association directed at Reagan
    re some comments about welfare starting his campaign in
    neshoba mississippi. They tried the same tropes against
    sessions thirty years ago, and last year in his confirmation.

    narciso (d1f714)


  18. Since when is truth a defense?


    Well, at least not since the Head Deplorable characterized sh!thole countries as sh!tholes.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  19. Remember when they said law and order was a side word rather than a pressing need, they’ve just about defined the war on narcotics possession and distribution as racist even though it has saved lives.

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Its about shutting down the conversation, not allowing one to occur.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. It’s true he’s just a Fool in a long line of tools.

    https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2018/01/15/u-s-interventionism-started-long-before-trump/#respond

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  22. 13:

    Interesting….a lack of empathy toward anyone in your “race” proves absence of racism? I’d have to chew on that for a while.

    I think that the morality police directly interfere with the right of association and its corollary, the right of disassociation. The results include gay wedding cakes and homosexual boy scout leaders. There are ethnic tribes in the U.S. that have no desire to invite outsiders into their close-knit orbits. That is not to say they do not assimilate.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  23. A lack of empathy toward anyone, Lenny, regardless of race or any other factor. That’s what I accuse Trump of.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  24. President Trump’s a very caring soul you can tell by all the charitable philanthropies he’s done that you only find out about years after

    it’s a New York kind of caring where you don’t wear it on your sleeve

    god bless us everyone

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. “Its about shutting down the conversation, not allowing one to occur.”

    Pretty much, just like college campuses.

    It means they can’t support their bogus claims so anyone who disagrees is spouting hate speech, is dangerous, must be shut down. – Alinsky 101.

    harkin (8256c3)

  26. red and yellow black or white they’re all precious in his sight Donald lives the little children of the WHIRL

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. UGH

    *LOVES* i mean

    the stupid texter went off while i was doing my commentings and i forgot to prove

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. As defined by whom, as opposed to the last occupant who demonstrated remarkable indifference to those he deemed political opponents or merely inconvenient (even his own relative he made big production of debating if he should spring for the hip replacement. Those bitter clingers from Appalachian running norrhwest into the Ohio river valley.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. Not arguing with your assertion, just trying to understand:

    “To be a racist, Trump would have to have a capacity to empathize with people of his own race.”

    Could you have meant “anyone” instead of “people of his own race”? And if you do have empathy for people of your own race, would it still be possible to be a racist? I’m talking about the presence or absence of empathy as a determining factor – I honestly don’t know the answer.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  30. President Trump does good empathize on the pikachu race

    he lowered my taxes!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. This isn’t an editorial, its an auto De Fe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. Archie Bunker was from Queens, too; hometown paper knows hometown boy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Yes there were 160 approx undeclared actions prior to Vietnam, try to catch up Benn.

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. @31 he lowered my taxes!

    And he lower Stormy Daniels panties, too, Mr. Feet! $130,000 is how you handle that deal.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Was this the wrong day to screen The Birth of a Nation in the White House?

    This Bruce Willis movie Last Man Standing is looking a lot like a remake of A Fistfull of Dollars.

    Pinandpuller (b96e22)

  36. Yes I noted that one when they had a free weekend, it had aired before on regular cable previously.

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. that’s a huge lie Stormy doesn’t even *wear* panties hah

    cold busted

    happyfeet (28a91b)


  38. 33.Archie Bunker was from Queens, too; hometown paper knows hometown boy.


    Are you saying there is something wrong with Queens? Or are you suggesting people from Queens are disgusting, filthy raaacists and should “just die” like President-In-Waiting Oprah said? Please clarify.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  39. MLK Day is ‘a day of service.’

    Accordingly, had my laptop serviced at Office Depot. It’s black, but the techie didn’t care about the color of its case, just the content of its files.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. i made a casserole

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. and served it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. what do i win

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. Tmi, but the journals undergarments seem to have been soiled
    this weekend,

    narciso (d1f714)


  44. Accordingly, had my laptop serviced at Office Depot. It’s black, but the techie didn’t care about the color of its case, just the content of its files.


    Best (and most appropriate) comment of the day!

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  45. I read that Trump called Putin and bet him $10 he could make CNN say “sh!tholes” 100 times this week. The check is in the mail.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  46. Affirmative action was in full swing in 1989 and remains so today. As someone with a high school senior daughter applying to college, it’s crystal clear to me that my daughter would have a large advantage over her current circumstances if she had the same grades, test scores, activities, awards, and so forth — and were also black. It would make her an absolute shoo-in at universities where she will likely be rejected. It’s not “racism” to note that well-educated blacks have a leg up on their peers in many ways.

    Yes, but saying that blacks have an advantage due to a affirmative action is ignoring the disadvantages that they historically faced.

    Please note, I am absolutely, unalterably opposed to affirmative action. Discrimination on the basis of race is wrong and un-American, period. And there is also real harm in putting people into academic programs where they are underprepared compared to their peers and more likely to fail.

    But I think it is insensitive and insulting to say “blacks have an advantage due to affirmative action” without acknowledging that they have faced and – to some extent – may continue to face, historical disadvantages that relatively few white people in America – and certainly not Donald Trump – have confronted. You don’t have to think affirmative action is right to acknowledge that it is trying to remedy real harms and disadvantages.

    Sure, if you can live the pampered life of Donald Trump AND benefit from relatively minor (and wrong) “reverse discrimination”, who wouldn’t sign up? But the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action are not people who lived the life of a prince, like Donald Trump. Isn’t it self-evident that if Donald Trump were black, his father probably wouldn’t have been a filthy rich slum-lord in 1950’s New York, and he probably wouldn’t have had a fortune to inherit?

    As for the young Miss Patterico and her college admissions… Let’s suppose she doesn’t get into some school, say Harvard for the sake of argument, when she might have gotten in with the same grades as a minority. That does NOT mean that she WOULD have gotten in with those grades if there were no affirmative action at all. If she is unlucky enough to be among the top few % of white applicants who just miss out, then yes, and I agree it sucks. But the vast majority of white applicants who are rejected by selective schools would be rejected regardless of affirmative action.

    And to return to the point I mentioned earlier, studies have shown that lowering admissions standards to benefit minorities – what Patterico calls “a leg up on their peers” – is, at least statistically, a very mixed blessing. Antonin Scalia noted this in one of his last controversial dissents.

    Dave (445e97)

  47. All things being equal, persons of similar socioeconomic status AMD gap,,which all the university pick, under the diversity rubric. That’s what a number cases like fisher and Rutter have centered on.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. It’s in the NYT Opinion section. They’re allowed to lie there. After all, they have a deadline to meet.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. The bus isn’t running today due to MLK day. Does that seem right to you? I mean seriously.

    Seems like they should be running double shifts.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  50. Its in the up ed page but it certainly looks like news piece,

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Lets review gertz v Welch, now the plaintiff was in trouble becausr he extrapolated some facts and made up others, ymmv. Definitive has the ring of truthiness not opinion.

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. mittens eats donkey while dog duct taped to the woof of the car

    mg (8cbc69)

  53. mittens eats donkey while dog duct taped to the woof of the car

    he needs to repent and find jesus

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. That is a bogus claim about the “Mexican judge.”
    S
    If it is a “positive good” for society to have a Wise Latina justice for SCOTUS why cannot it also be a negative bad for a person to have a judge with a Mexican heritage judging a case that involves issues involving Hispanics and/or Mexico?

    Can an ethnic judge ONLY use their ethnicity in good and wise ways and with special sensitivity to the needs of ethnic concerns? Or is it even in the smallest ways possible for an ethnic judge to use their ethnicity in unlawful and unwise ways and with biased sensitivity to the needs of ethnic concerns?

    If it works one way… it can certainly work the other way. And it is not racist to point that out.

    jack burton (2e57fd)

  55. “Archie Bunker was from Queens, too; hometown paper knows hometown boy.”

    —-

    “Hey, is there anyone out here from Queens?”

    [lone clapping]

    You? Well, I’m from normal parents myself.“ – Ray, manager of The Magic Club – Desperately Seeking Susan

    harkin (8256c3)


  56. But I think it is insensitive and insulting to say “blacks have an advantage due to affirmative action” without acknowledging that they have faced and – to some extent – may continue to face, historical disadvantages that relatively few white people in America – and certainly not Donald Trump – have confronted. You don’t have to think affirmative action is right to acknowledge that it is trying to remedy real harms and disadvantages.

    I think it’s insensitive and insulting as well as morally wrong to discriminate against whites, Asians and Hispanics because blacks had an historical disadvantage. The whites, Asians and Hispanics being deliberately and selectively discriminated against by government mandate had nothing to do with the historical discrimination to which you refer and those that did are dead.

    Affirmative action is not right. You don’t correct racism with more racism. When JFK started affirmative action in 1961 I was just a kid. Within a few short years I was in Vietnam and when I returned was faced with its result. With SAT of 1240 I applied to several local colleges. I really wanted Temple since my sister had gone there. I was denied. One of my best friend’s mother was on Temple’s board so I went to see her. She told me point blank that Temple was under federal pressure to get black students and there would be no room for me in the near future. I really wasn’t greatly upset since I was accepted to a better school anyway. But I was pissed off that a returning vet with two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star couldn’t get in to a local college because of his color.

    You need to remember I marched in the South with my sister in the mid sixties for equal rights. I know the plight and the disrespect blacks were afforded because of racism. I saw and heard it with my own eyes and ears and let me tell you, it wasn’t pretty. The minute they started affirmative action we all knew it was a bad policy and it was a morally sick idea. Replacing racism with racism is a plan only a leftist democrat could concoct. It’s a hideous, nefarious and devious way to perpetuate racism and create all new racists. And in my opinion that’s exactly what it’s done. And right now in this country the most racist people around are blacks. They’ve been selectively taught to blame everyone and hate everyone for every problem real or imagined and they do it all the time. That’s where Black Lives Matter comes from-racism. Instead of straightening out their youth they blame police. Instead of looking within their community blacks have been systematically taught to “blame whitey”. I get it from the source, my son. And he gets it from the source, his anti-white racist son. So after his grandfather and great aunt marched for equal rights in the South 55 years ago my grandson has determined we are the racists and has disassociated himself with his family. Because everything is the white guys fault.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  57. The politicization at the highest levels of the DOJ and the FBI… the leaking of classified info – we know it happened, we don’t know how much of it – the biggest story in decades and this fvcking media, and many Americans, have no interest.

    Wake the fvck up!

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  58. “Sh!tholes”? More like sh!t for brains.

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  59. So Its Russia one week, china the next
    :https://mobile.twitter.com/mbrauchli/status/953077653631795201

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. That would be one hell of a cable series, was she cougaring Jared? The resulting stone might knock out multiple birds.

    urbanleftbehind (1d0126)

  61. I would doubt that, these are the same crack intelligence operatives who were on watch when 20 million opm files went mussing. We think it was china but guess which company was used to attribute responsibility, go had guess.

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. So if were finished with the thought crime department, no wonder Carlos slims is abandoning the times like the xo of the titanic.

    The answer is crowdstrike, what do you win don pardon.

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. Hey Colonel, do ya think all this bluster about “sh!tholes” and other crap every week is a diversion to deflect from the FBI-DoJ corruption/collusion/conspiracy? I do. I think the press is working with democrats to blur the news onto bull crap to keep the real stuff off the TV and newspapers.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  64. So it could just be mobys pals, the more distressing policy issue is apparently mattis tillerson and Co, outvoted I’m guessing haleu and pompeo and convinced trump nit to pull the sanctions trigger on iran

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. ladyboy mattis has a fantasy where he and anderson cooper share a special penetrating night under the hawaiian stars during a phony air raid alert

    north korea be damned

    this moment, this moment is about passion

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. You know mattis could crush your windpipe with a napkin, I’m speaking of serious things pikachu.

    Now it just so happens that our missile defense complement is mostly in Hawaii, so if this had been an actual emergency…

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. Yes, Hoagie, I do. It has gone well beyond Watergate. This is a concerted effort at distractions… one right after the other. There is a reason for it and it is begging for those brave people with the fortitude and integrity required to not allow it to be disappeared.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. ladyboy mattis for sure should have his own reality show it’d be awesome

    makeup tips for tatter trannies – love it!

    meanwhile iran and the norks keep on keeping on

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. look i live a very honest life where i don’t need us military fagtrash like james mattis to be a hero to me

    i realize there are pitiful failmericans what need military fagtrash heroes like the john mccain and the john kerry

    but i am not included in that pitiful group

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. RIP – Dan Gurney

    A hero of my childhood – The Western 500 every year at Riverside seems like a thousand years ago.

    harkin (8256c3)

  71. @ Lenny: I think to be a racist, you have to be capable of caring about someone other than yourself. And I don’t think Trump does.

    So if you ask,

    Could you have meant “anyone” instead of “people of his own race”?

    My answer is: I meant that he cannot empathize with people who are of his own race, or with those who are not. He empathizes with no one, but he does react to those who are around him, always based on how he thinks what’s going on is affecting the Trump Brand (which is, of course, him, literally).

    If you ascribe racism to him and then try to predict his behavior based upon that assumption, you will be wrong a significant part of the time. If you ascribe overwhelming narcism to him and try to predict his behavior based on that, you’ll find yourself spot on, day in and day out.

    Mind you, his immediate predecessor was also incredibly narcissistic — thought he could change the course of oceans, etc. It was one of the things that made him most unpleasant.

    But when it comes to narcissism — and to that alone — the Donald is truly without parallel in American history.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  72. narcism?

    srsy?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. what happened to peter daou btw

    he just fell off the radar

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. As opposed to whom, whom in public life is greatly humble I guess warren buffet but he is like ed Rooney a man of immense power who exerts it in different ways bill gates mark Zuckerberg, elon musk, those are just figures in business.

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. humble figures in public life are include peter thiel and clancy brown

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. (but not skanky army bimbo tulsi gabbard)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. He rarely plays the good guy going back to highlander, and mist recently thor ragnarok.

    Much like the dossier, well this one has photographs but dates names places, if you are not onto their game you’ll believe it. And that’s all
    You need to dismiss any argument.

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. carnivale was maybe his peak

    but i love him cause he was ohio political royalty and he walked away and made good

    war hero fagtrash john mccain can’t say he walked away and made good can he

    no he can’t

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. Done be dissing Tulsi,

    She does have flaw in her argument, does she think more accommodation like we’ve been doing with the Kim dynasty the solution, if not what is. A military confrontation could make Iraq like a quiet afternoon stroll.

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. tulsi wants us to feel the pathos for her pathetic third whirl mommi and daddi

    I SAY TULSI YOU CAN KNEEL DOWN AND FEEL ALL MY PATHOS

    (feel it feel it)

    (funkybunch style)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. We realLy can’t take you anywhere. Like my puppy in a grocery store.

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. i know i know i got the tulsi confuzzled with the trashy mia love

    i mean… they’re both nasty

    but still

    that was my bad :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  83. I think Patterico said it all with the title of the post. The NYT article is garbage. Sifting through the garbage is noncupatory.

    As is the NYT throwing it. That is a dog bites man story. It’s a Democratic Party organ.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. they’re nasty in separate ways like the frozen sisters

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. But it still makes no difference as far as Trump is concerned. Ok, he’s not a racist. That’s like saying the hooker with AIDS, herpes, syphilis, and Hep C does not have gonorrhea. You still don’t bring her home to meet your parents.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. but i love him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. You speak of these things with great awareness, the problemnis this stuff circulates like a clogged up drain, on morning joke Anderson vanderbilts romper room and other lesser venues.

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. His a necessary instrument like a hammer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. They said some day you’ll find
    All who love are blind
    When your heart’s on fire, you must realize
    Smoke gets in your eyes

    nk (dbc370)

  90. platters yes yes yes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. Democratic Candidate For Illinois Attorney General Mugged At Gunpoint During Chicago Photo Shoot

    “Campaign manager Robert Murphy, who was not with the team during the incident, said Goldstein, Democratic ward committeeman for the 33rd Ward and a resident of Albany Park, was taking promotional images for the campaign with an “in-the-neighborhood kind of” message.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-attorney-general-candidate-robbed-20180111-story.html

    “Police described the three suspects as between 20 and 24 years old. They did not release a detailed description of the suspects.”

    They never do. Might be deemed ‘hate speech’.

    harkin (8256c3)

  92. Tomorrow would have been Katy Jurado’s 94th birthday. Here’s the theme to High Noon, sung by Frankie Laine, a Lane Tech grad who named himself after the school.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. And that is how Aaron became a Republican. True story.

    felipe (023cc9)

  94. Thanks, harkin. I hadn’t even clicked on the news, today.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Goldstein and the others weren’t harmed in the robbery, and they were later assured by police that the robbery wasn’t a targeted act, Murphy said.

    Translation: We don’t think they were Republicans.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. That area is kind of a red light district. Part Tijuana and part Saigon.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. The definition of racism has devolved, thanks to critical theory, to mean almost anything. Like refusal to list the skin color of criminal suspects because that would be indicative of oppression and would cause more minorities to feel bad about themselves and go out and commit a crime. We are all just inherently racist just be virtue of our (successful) existence in Western Civ, and politicians exploit that. Trump seems immune, however, so heads are exploding for that as well.

    Hopefully people are catching on that it’s a very destructive trope on an endless loop. Hope so, or we’re doomed.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  98. But when it comes to narcissism — and to that alone — the Donald is truly without parallel in American history.

    McClellan was enthralled with himself; William Jennings Bryan as well. There’s others. But in this day and media age, there’s always the one and only:

    “Newt Gingrich, Moon President!”

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/bestoftv/2012/02/06/early-snl-gingrich-moon.cnn

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. Yes, the NY Times may lie more than Trump does. The difference is that the NY Times knows they are doing it.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  100. Here’s the theme to High Noon, sung by Frankie Laine, a Lane Tech grad who named himself after the school.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/15/2018 @ 9:41 pm

    Who taught him how to spell?

    Pinandpuller (c5bc53)

  101. Ok, he’s not a racist. That’s like saying the hooker with AIDS, herpes, syphilis, and Hep C does not have gonorrhea. You still don’t bring her home to meet your parents.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/15/2018 @ 9:15 pm

    Melania’s alright, Donnie’s alright, they just seem a little weird.

    Pinandpuller (c5bc53)

  102. Oh to play nice again and kiss the democrats ring. No Trumpers have no idea how to fight and win, the only thing no Trumpers are successful at is talking sh!t at people who are willing to take down the democrats at all costs. What a putrid life you cretins live.

    mg (8cbc69)

  103. Man up means bend over and beg for the no Trumper flock.

    mg (8cbc69)

  104. I am so tired of the political corporate screwing of middle America by lawyers. These ingrates have ruined America with their laws for the Clinton types. When the sh!t hits the fan your mahogany paneled library won’t hide you.

    mg (8cbc69)

  105. Only one thing more disgusting than American lawyers – Foreign lawyers making money off of the American Tax-Payer.

    mg (8cbc69)

  106. 99, back in the day, it was part Seoul, but they moved to the north suburbs and took over all the protestant churches. Was there a Rev. Italian Beef making it happen?

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  107. The Greeks follow the Jews and it seems the Koreans follow the Greeks. The deacon’s litany at our church is part Greek, part English and part Korean. But it started earlier than that. The Catholic church off Kedzie and Diversey which hosted our Boy Scout troop in 1968 was Korean Methodist by the time we moved in 1973.

    nk (dbc370)

  108. Patterico’s in instapundit… https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/286034/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. And Little Korea has been just to the West of the North Side Greektown on Lawrence Avenue for about as long.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. I agree with the article but I feel like that Erick Erickson quote is also in order….

    “It’s weird that people in the room don’t remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends to brag about it afterwards. I spoke to one of those friends. The President thought it would play well with the base.”

    So, did it play well with debase?

    noel (b4d580)

  111. I question the indicia of reliability of Mr. Erickson’s source. He can’t be much of a friend of Trump if he snitched him out to Erickson.

    BTW, is Erick Erickson a Norwegian name?

    nk (dbc370)

  112. False kudos from Glenuendo..he never takes a stand. He just implies.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  113. nk says…”I question the indicia of reliability of Mr. Erickson’s source. He can’t be much of a friend of Trump if he snitched him out to Erickson.”

    Of course. And your loyalty lies with who or what?

    noel (b4d580)


  114. So, did it play well with debase?


    Anything that makes leftist heads explodes will play well with his base. When these lying leftist hypocrites take a two week vacation to Haiti or Somalia then they can cry because someone calls them sh!tholes. Until then own up and admit it. BTW, hoe do you know Erickson didn’t make the whole story up? What makes this unknown clown so honest and reliable?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)


  115. Of course. And your loyalty lies with who or what?


    So who does yours lie with, comrade?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  116. Of course. And your loyalty lies with who or what?

    Yo mama.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. Anything that makes leftist heads explodes will play well with his base.

    True enough. I think the issue lies with the tremendous pride in it’s expression. Rubber-room pride

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  118. Welcome back to Planet Earth. I missed you while you were gone.

    Isn’t it refreshing, the breeze that blows in through the Overton window?

    phunctor (b2de2c)

  119. Yo mama?

    owweee..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  120. Pressures on the Portagee opposed to diversity..

    http://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-fusion-gps-want-nunes-to-release-interview-transcript-2018-1?op=1

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  121. @102
    You have to know you’re speaking an untruth with intent to deceive to be “lying”.
    {I wish my 4th grade English teacher were still alive. She was strict about words having meanings.}*

    *Fiction, but not a lie. No intention to deceive.

    phunctor (1812bd)

  122. . BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT CONGRESS, there is a zero percent chance that a deal can be reached at this point and passed this week. RULE OF THUMB: Congress typically needs three or so days to review a big legislative package.

    SHUTDOWN COUNTDOWN: THREE DAYS. THE BIG QUESTION:

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2018/01/16/three-days-until-a-shutdown-and-we-break-down-the-stakes-wsj-front-page-kushner-was-warned-about-his-close-relationship-with-wendi-murdoch-annie-karni-on-the-dem-trumpworld-fears-most-236542

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  123. Objectivity. Could you please, just once, try to give it a shot?

    Lindsey Graham, Durbin and Erickson say its true. (Two of which are Republicans.) A White House that did not deny the statements for the most of a day. Two other Republican Senators defending the President changed their stories. (Cotton and Perdue) But, once again, you just lap it up. You choose to believe whatever the President tells you to believe. This, despite the fact that he says similar things all of the time.

    As for my loyalty? God, Country, Constitution and….truth. I am not loyal to lies, liars. That wouldn’t comport with my other loyalties.

    P.S. Does repeatedly calling me “comrade” comfort you in thinking I am some liberal? I am a pro-life, pro-Israel, pro-defense Republican. Just not a sycophant, if that’s what you were hoping for.

    noel (b4d580)

  124. @49
    Your plea in mitigation of AA social justice stinks on ice. A diversion for diversity. Whether or not the Pattericina was on the cust, somebody more qualified was excluded because of their race. Wrong wrong wrongity wrong wrong.

    phunctor (034f5b)

  125. Melania’s alright, Donnie’s alright, they just seem a little weird.

    It’s truly a mystery why so many worship great wealth as though it were contagion spread by deep kissing. Coattail wishes and dreams of equality.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  126. cusp

    phunctor (034f5b)

  127. “In my extensive interviews with his White House doctors, key aides and others, I found no evidence that Mr. Reagan exhibited signs of dementia as president,” he wrote. “No other family member — and not Edmund Morris, the biographer who spent seven years with Mr. Reagan in the White House — publicly hinted that he showed evidence of Alzheimer’s as president.”

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a15087997/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-in-office/

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  128. How do you talk to people who believe in white privilege, that blacks in America are just as oppressed today as in 1860 and Jews own everything and are trying to commit genocide on everybody but especially blacks?

    Garand M1. Worked last time.

    phunctor (1812bd)

  129. Rev.Hoagie says in regards to Erick Erickson……”What makes this unknown clown so honest and reliable?”

    Lets look at that sentence. You doubt his honesty and reliability and call him a clown while admitting you don’t know him. Hmmm.

    noel (b4d580)

  130. If Donald said the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow how many would check?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  131. Don’t fall into the logic trap Noel.

    There is none in Trumplandia. Cancels it out..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  132. Calling a snitch a clown is kindness.

    nk (dbc370)

  133. nk says, “Calling a snitch a clown is kindness.”

    There you go again, nk. Showing your loyalties. If “truth” isn’t among them, then stop whining about “fake news”.

    noel (b4d580)

  134. noel, you would have done well in the USSR. There, you would have said: As for my loyalty? Stalin, Russia, the Party and… Marxism. And then, after purge of Politburo, the MVD would come and take all your potato.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. Ah Ericson who had the conniption fit over the reaction to megyns outrage, eleventy, who was a pill when the huntress chose not to run, after she discovered even her children were not safe from assault
    and a stalker had drawn a map to her home,

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. so the dems are going to the mattresses over illegals, how does that work in the states they need to swing a majority,

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. Sorry, nk. That makes no sense.

    If loyalty to God, truth and the Constitution of the United States makes me a commie, then up is down and in is out. But thanks for the lesson, nk. I sure am learning a lot here.

    noel (b4d580)

  138. I don’t want to attack Erickson, just the four corners of his tweet. Like the affidavit for a search warrant. His “confidential informant” does not pass muster.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. No, you are not a commie, because Communism would not work for you in this place and time.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. he’s more like the board of the Sirius cybernetics corporation

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kirstjen-nielsen-dhs-secretary-terror-charges-report-us-citizens/

    narciso (d1f714)


  141. 142.No, you are not a commie, because Communism would not work for you in this place and time.


    nk, he’s just not admitting to being a commie and that is SOP. At this point what’s the difference between a commie and a democrat? The communist party endorsed, backed and supported the democrat candidate since Algore. They fully supported Hussein and Killary!. So I ask, what’s the difference?

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was making people think he didn’t exist.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  142. Noel… a “NYT letters to the editor” style republican.

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  143. and he’s just a spudboy… lookin’ for that real tomato

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)


  144. Lets look at that sentence. You doubt his honesty and reliability and call him a clown while admitting you don’t know him. Hmmm.

    I didn’t call you a clown, noel I called someone else a clown. It isn’t personal. Hmmmm. BTW, how do you know whether or not I have met Mr. Erickson? I stated he’s “unknown” by context I meant to the general public. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  145. Nielsen didn’t answer whether American-born or foreign-born terrorists have caused more deaths. A report from the Cato Institute looks at the period between the 9/11 attacks and the end of 2015. It estimates that more than three times as many people were killed in terrorist attacks by native-born Americans than foreign-born individuals.

    Clearly CBS might be citing data that combines non-sectarian mass murders with murders conducted by muslims in advance of Islam, but even if you isolate and solely focus on those identifying as Muslim, the U.S. Citizen would have a higher kill rate than the foreign perpetrator of alien status, due to several factors – exposure/experience to and permit acquisition for firearms, greater likelihood of security clearance to a given location, greater access to the internet and legacy materials (university librairies, for example) for bomb making and tactics. It is similar to the rationale for why the more successful assaults on police in 2016 occured in the South (Dallas, Baton Rouge) – the combination of military training and a particular black subculture more versed in firearms and hunting then, say, the gesticulating side-aiming, leg- and innocent- shooting perp from a northern ghetto.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  146. To the Rev and the Colonel. Creating some illusion of me is preferable to looking in the mirror. Its, of course, not truthful but I do understand it. It’s your loyalty to Trump over truth that I find more disturbing.

    Especially since I believe God is love, light…… and truth.

    noel (b4d580)

  147. colonel says, “and he’s just a spudboy… lookin’ for that real tomato”

    Man, you are deep.

    noel (b4d580)

  148. And you write while implanted in the deep “stuff”, noel teh republican.

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  149. Here is a question that I have no conceivable answer to;
    How come I can understand narciso at Patterico’s ten times more than I do here?

    And an observation;
    I lost any previous respect I had for Beldar’s probity. His reasoning is faulty and he assumes things he can’t possibly know.

    Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | January 16, 2018 at 11:33 AM

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  150. Picked out of an ocean of questions you struggle with…

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  151. Oh, hell yes, harkin!!!

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  152. “Here is a question that I have no conceivable answer to;
    How come I can understand narciso at Patterico’s ten times more than I do here?”

    Cue sound effects from The Day The Earth Stood Still

    harkin (8256c3)

  153. Erik Erickson is the name of a fictional explorer if you will.

    Glad to see Admirral Dunsel rises from the west without fail.

    Pinandpuller (e5adc2)

  154. It’s colder than Hillary’s mammogram today.

    Pinandpuller (e5adc2)

  155. Is it loyalty to Trump or a refusal to partake in the false witness bucket brigade?

    Pinandpuller (e5adc2)


  156. Especially since I believe God is love, light…… and truth.

    Yes, He is, noel. Yes, He is. As far as “creating some illusion” of you I’ve only interpreted what you’ve shown me here. I’ve never met you so if I’m under some illusion you are the magician who created it. Looking in the mirror (which I assume is meant to be an insult) has nothing to do with my (our) perception of you, noel. We can only draw conclusions by your positions put forth here.


    Its, of course, not truthful but I do understand it. It’s your loyalty to Trump over truth that I find more disturbing.


    You say my conclusions are “not truthful” thereby calling me a liar. My conclusions have nothing to do with the truth but have only to do with what you’ve said here. Therefore, my conclusion is not untruthful (a dirty phukin’ lie) but merely incorrect. Calling me a liar is a bit rash because I drew a conclusion you believe to be wrong. But, names and leftists as I’ve said. The political always has to get personal.

    Incidentally, my loyalty to Trump extends only as far as his conservative policies do. I was not a Trump supporter and neither am I a #neverTrumper. I realize to a leftist that’s impossible but nonetheless it’s a fact. Trump is a means to an end, nothing more. That end is to break the fascist left’s grip on American politics, law, the media, education, entertainment and any other place where the lefts anti American nonsense takes root.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  157. klaatu barada nikto, I was a supporter for cruz, as I was for Gingrich and guiliani, I’m odd that way.
    the things that cause agita are often either invented or exaggerated, I have stated my concerns in the past,

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. Trump/John Miller is a notorious liar. I totally believe third hand Eric Erickson. I mean, more people believe in a flat earth than third hand smoke will kill you.

    Pinandpuller (e5adc2)

  159. Its a more interesting story, like they saw enemy of the state as a how to manual.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/953023592698142725.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. I believe notorious liar Dick Durbin when he said Trump said it. I believe notorious liar Trump when he said he didn’t say it. Now I believe third hand Erik Erickson when Trump lies and brags about saying something he didn’t say. Or maybe everybody’s lying. I can easily believe that too.

    Pinandpuller (e5adc2)

  161. @167
    That’s the beauty of it, Pinandpuller. Durbin designed the whole kerfuffle to keep the current FBI/DoJ corruption off the news and at the same time everybody who is against the illegal E.O. by Hussein is now a raaaacist. You cannot compromise with the left.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  162. Interesting don’t you think:

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/01/justice-scalia-was-fascinated-by-fact.html

    If scalia had come in 86, they would have tried to filibuster him as well like they did to bork

    narciso (d1f714)

  163. Gee, Rev.Hoagie, you sure like playing the victim and accusing others of calling you names. So, let’s take a quick look at just one of your comments above.

    “nk, he’s just not admitting to being a commie and that is SOP. At this point what’s the difference between a commie and a democrat? The communist party endorsed, backed and supported the democrat candidate since Algore. They fully supported Hussein and Killary!….”

    In my experience, the folks who like to play the victim….. are usually the problem.

    noel (b4d580)

  164. I am hoping that at some point, the story of THE POLITICIZATION AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE DOJ, FBI, INTELLIGENCE SERVICES AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT gains some traction.

    Perhaps it just needs to be sexxed-up with a sh!thole characterization?

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  165. I mean why would his notes matter:
    dailycaller.com/2018/01/13/manaforts-trump-tower-notes-lend-some-support-to-white-house-claims-about-meeting

    Only Mueller and comeys are worth noting

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. Mueller and Comey oughtta be neck deep in sheep dip.

    Colonel Haiku (6724fa)

  167. ..after January 3(?), 1987 (for Narciso at #170 above). Notable only because some idiot at my high school stuck his head out of a school bus the morning after the previous November’s election and yelled out “We got a Democratic Majority in the Senate, WooHoo!”

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  168. Yes but even in 1986, they pulled a stunt against Rehnquist, going back 20 years or so, they NEVER move on, of course you know who was on the staff back then, the podestas with their fabulous rizzotto

    narciso (21eb6d)

  169. I suspect there is collusion amongst allied rumpublicans.

    Justoneminute Trollops have backchannel comma on super-secret clique email and I suspect the same here. No matter/nevermind.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  170. Backchannel comms..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  171. Democrats have abandoned even pretending to have actual policy proposals. Now all they have is calling people “racist”.

    Trump isn’t a racist. He’s just a narcissistic asshole. Democrats have elected plenty of those to the Presidency, they should grow up. I won’t bother to suggest that they actually formulate some policy proposals instead of identity politics.

    SPQR (240837)

  172. I have long held the view that they will so overuse the word racism that it will cease to have any meaning.

    JD (ec3581)

  173. Racists

    JD (ec3581)

  174. Hey jd how go the marathons?

    narciso (21eb6d)


  175. In my experience, the folks who like to play the victim….. are usually the problem.
    noel


    He remarks while playing the victim. Projection never gets old with you leftists does it? BTW, identifying you by your leftist pedigree is only name calling if it’s inaccurate. You have to date shown me no reason to doubt my assessment of your politic. Whining won’t change anything. Seeking common ground will.

    Hint-that’s an attempt to have reasonable discourse. Your move.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)


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