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12/6/2017

President Trump Officially Recognizes Jerusalem As Israel’s Capital, Embassy To Move

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:00 pm

[guest post by Dana]

President Trump officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered the State Dept. to begin preparations to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Citing the decision as a new approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the president said:

In 1995, Congress adopted the Jerusalem Embassy Act urging the federal government to relocate the American Embassy to Jerusalem and to recognize that that city, and so importantly, is Israel’s capital. This act passed congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority. And was reaffirmed by unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago.

Yet, for over 20 years, every previous American president has exercised the law’s waiver, refusing to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem or to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city. Presidents issued these waivers under the belief that delaying the recognition of Jerusalem would advance the cause of peace. Some say they lacked courage but they made their best judgments based on facts as they understood them at the time. Nevertheless, the record is in.

After more than two decades of waivers, we are no closer to a lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.

It would be folly to assume that repeating the exact same formula would now produce a different or better result.

Therefore, I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver.

Today, I am delivering. I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long overdue step to advance the peace process. And to work towards a lasting agreement.

As expected, President Trump’s decision was met with criticism and dire warnings from the usual suspects. The Palestinians, who obviously have no interest in making peace with a people they prefer didn’t exist, have called for “three days of rage” in protest against the move. British Prime Minister Theresa May charged that “Jerusalem should ultimately form a shared capital between the Israeli and Palestinian states,” and said that she plans to speak with President Trump about the decision. The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran blamed the move on U.S. “incompetence and failure”. Even Pope Francis weighed in, saying he could not “keep silent about [his] deep concern” for Jerusalem and urged respect for “the status quo of the city in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling today historic, thanked President Trump for his “courageous” and “just” decision”:

“This decision reflects the president’s commitment to an ancient but enduring truth,” Netanyahu said. “The president’s decision is an important step toward peace, for there is no peace that doesn’t include Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.”

With that, David French explains why President Trump’s actions today should be celebrated, and why he should be congratulated for taking such a bold step:

President Trump’s decision to formally recognize that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and to announce plans to move America’s embassy to the seat of Israel’s government is one of the best, most moral, and important decisions of his young administration. On this issue, he is demonstrating greater resolve than Republican and Democratic presidents before him, and he is defying some of the worst people in the world.

Also in his excellent piece, French looks at the “law, history, and context” of Israel, and the double-standard use of “stability” when applied to Israel:

From the birth of the modern nation-state of Israel, an unholy mixture of anti-Semites and eliminationists have both sought to drive the Jewish people into the sea and — when military measures failed — isolate the Jewish nation diplomatically, militarily, and culturally. Working through the U.N. and enabled by Soviet-bloc (and later) European allies, these anti-Semites and eliminationists have waged unrelenting “lawfare” against Israel. (Lawfare is the abuse of international law and legal processes to accomplish military objectives that can’t be achieved on the battlefield.)

The scam works like this: The U.N. and other international bodies establish rules that apply only to Israel, or they hold Israel to higher standards than any other nation on earth; then, when Israel (or its primary ally, America) object to those unjust rules and double standards, the Arab world threatens unrest, riots, or, at worst, renewed jihad. A cowardly European community goes along, perpetuating injustice in the name of “stability.”

If “stability” means the perpetuation of double standards, the isolation of Israel, and continued kowtowing to threats of violence, then it’s time to call the Arabs’ bluff. If the most powerful nation in the history of the world doesn’t have the moral strength to even properly recognize Israel’s capital, it gives aid and comfort to those who impose unique burdens on the Jewish state. Will America’s Arab allies — nations that depend on our alliances to confront a growing Iranian threat — forsake their own national security to protest an embassy location? It’s time to find out. The Trump administration has made the right move. Now let’s see how the bigots respond.

President Trump should be congratulated. He has taken an enormous step toward fulfilling his campaign promise that the embassy should be moved to “the eternal capital for the Jewish people, Jerusalem.” It has been a very good day for him.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

162 Responses to “President Trump Officially Recognizes Jerusalem As Israel’s Capital, Embassy To Move”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (023079)

  2. love it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Memo to Kim Jong-un– The path to TIME Person Of The Year: test your nuke on the Middle East, not Middle America.

    Billions will cheer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. Dana

    How significant is this for you as a christian? Certainly Evangelicals see it as a win .

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  5. If the house is full of cockroaches, termites and assorted rodents– you use a bug bomb.

    The pyramids are basically a pile of rocks already.

    Billions will cheer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


  6. How significant is this for you as a christian? Certainly Evangelicals see it as a win .

    I know you didn’t ask me but I’m gonna say anyway. I don’t see it as a win like you say. I see it as what is right. Jerusalem has always been the capital of the Jewish state old and new. I can’t figure how it suddenly wasn’t.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  7. People did not become woke to the Palestinians until after the 73 embargo.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Hoagie; You should familiarize yourself with Jerusalem’s history. Twice destroyed and finally demolished, along with Solomon’s Temple in 70 ce. Titus was the instrument under God’s guidance and it was the final curtain on Jerusalem and the Temple. He was done. Why do christians persist in resurrecting Judaism, as though the Israelites were special beyond the Abrahamic Promise.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  9. @9. Why do American taxpayers borrow $ from China to pay Mideast nations not to fight? For Exxon-Mobil and Royasl Dutch Shell?

    It’s these sort of suckers scams they’ve been pulling for 2,000 years.

    Screw’em.

    Cauterize the wound.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. Six months ago, Trump broke his campaign promises (again), gave Israel the finger, and signed an official declaration that keeping the embassy out of Jerusalem was necessary to protect the national security interests of the United States.

    Despite no material change to any of the facts on the ground in the middle east, today he claims the exact opposite.

    Was he lying then? Or is he lying now? Or (remember this is Trump we’re talking about) both?

    How could the man’s judgment be so bad that he reaches diametrically opposite conclusions about US national security interests, starting from an identical set of facts, in only six months?

    Dave (445e97)

  11. this filthy pope is nothing less than a disgusting and nasty devil-pope and someone should key his car i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. like right down the side all the way bumper to effing bumper

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Trump really didn’t want to sign the waiver six months ago. He warned his people it probably would be the only time.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  14. What is this thing in the ME they call the “peace process”?

    Lenny (5ea732)

  15. Trump really didn’t want to sign the waiver six months ago. He warned his people it probably would be the only time.

    So his declaration last May was false, then?

    Dave (445e97)

  16. palestinians are a ruined people, violent and uncivilized

    they made bad choices

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Happys an anti-semite?

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  18. 9.Hoagie; You should familiarize yourself with Jerusalem’s history.

    What exactly did I say that is historically inaccurate? All I said was Jerusalem was always the capital of Israel. If there is no Israel, there is no capital of Israel.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  19. He has become a dissapountment in so many ways

    Palestinians have suffered under abysmal leadership that made them side with the Nazis
    the soviet’s saddam and most recently Iran.

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Confirmed: he was lying both times.

    The decision has nothing to do with the national security interests of the United States, according to senior White House officials:

    White House admits Trump’s Jerusalem decision hurts peace process

    President Donald Trump’s decision Wednesday to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has temporarily derailed the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, two senior White House officials acknowledged after Trump’s speech.
    […]
    That “derailment” was a cost the White House was prepared to accept to fulfill Trump’s campaign promise.

    Even when the lives of others are at stake, it’s always about him.

    Dave (445e97)


  21. 19.Happys an anti-semite?

    Sounds to me like he’s anti Palestinian.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  22. Arabs are Semitic people’s just like Israelis, hoagie. For someone who claims to believe you have a serious lack of curiosity.

    http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/a-third-rebuilt-temple-in-jerusalem-is-not-biblical/

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  23. Well Dave, if CNN reports it you know it must be true.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  24. This is the same state department that wouldn’t recognize Israel 70 year ago, leaving the Jews to wander in the wilderness for that period of time.

    narciso (d1f714)


  25. 24.Arabs are Semitic people’s just like Israelis, hoagie. For someone who claims to believe you have a serious lack of curiosity.

    Comrade Ben!, why do you constantly talk down to me like an idiot. You know full well I’m aware of who the Semites are. You stated Happy was an anti Semite which is incorrect. He just is no fan of Palestinians. Pleas stop trying to demean me with every comment. I don’t treat you like an idiot so don’t treat me like one. First I’m not familiar with Jerusalem’s history then I don’t know what a Semite is. Pleas stop you beclown yourself.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  26. Outstanding decision, follows through where other presidents went limp dick.

    And Al Franken’s out, which I am actually a little disconcerted about. On the one hand, he is a douchebag, assclown lefty… on the other, does this really rise to a level that mandates ruining a career?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. Have it your way hoagie. :)

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  28. So his declaration last May was false, then?

    Dave (445e97) — 12/6/2017 @ 5:12 pm

    What declaration? He kicked the can 6 months down the road with a waiver. Previous administrations let this slide for decades.

    It’s comforting to see America reassert itself as opposed to wringing its hands over a “peace process” that for 70 years has resulted in precisely nothing.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  29. Well Dave, if CNN reports it you know it must be true.

    CNN does not invent quotes and sources out of whole cloth.

    It must be incredibly liberating for you, being able to dismiss – on the basis of no evidence – any and all information that bothers you.

    Dave (445e97)

  30. Ask the Russian investigation unit about that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. What declaration? He kicked the can 6 months down the road with a waiver.

    The waiver six months ago was a declaration to congress that keeping the embassy out of Jerusalem was necessary to protect the national security interests of the United States.

    And according to his remarks today, that declaration to congress was false.

    Dave (445e97)

  32. Which official will come out on the record, and how much will they be paid by Charles freeman next year?

    narciso (d1f714)

  33. what’s funny is how the Jew-hating US State Department has to implement this

    lol

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. Sounds to me like he’s anti Palestinian.

    i wouldn’t hate them so much if they weren’t so nasty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. Let’s follow the link and look at what those senior White House officials said, Dave:

    “We’re prepared for derailment — temporary, I hope. Pretty sure it will be temporary,” said a senior White House official, who acknowledged that the President’s peace team has not spoken with furious Palestinian officials since the Trump’s announcement.

    “A lot of people put their heads into this decision to see how do we make this happen without at the same time throwing the peace process out of the window,” one of the officials said.

    “In terms of a moment where it could happen, where it could be the least disruptive at a moment in time, this is the moment,” the second official said. “We know there will be some short term pain, but think it will help in the long run.” [emphasis mine]

    Lenny (5ea732)

  36. Dave, there has not been a peace process for a long time, thanks to Hamas missiles and PA pensions for terrorists. Now if only Trump was undiplomatic enough to say that out loud!

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  37. I dint trust foggy bottom pikachu, to do so, the company yet up the new and improved palesrunian security force, which promptly used said skills to plan the 2000 intifada

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. Dave’s not a glass half full or a glass half empty sort of guy. He’s the helpless mook inebriate passed out in the gutter.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. “CNN does not invent quotes and sources out of whole cloth.”

    Hahahahahaha… HA!!!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. Mr Feets@13
    Pope Frankie is merely repeating the Vatican position, which since 1948 has always wanted Jerusalem to be an international city. Also, there are a load of Arab Catholics, and very few Jewish ones.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  41. Note o don’t call it the second intifada, in retrospect my kinsman rick Sanchez was not the worst person they had in that slot, but its near beer.

    Re the difference between riyadh and Mecca, there is an interesting novel by rajah Alea (six)

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. BTW, for once I emphatically approve of Trump’s action.
    Given the rarity of that, I thought I had better point it out.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  43. But was it an international city, when the Jordanians ran it.?

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. Obama’s chief economist Zandi warns “Job Market Feels Like It Might Overheat” As Manufacturing Jobs Grow At Fastest Pace On Record…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-06/zandi-warns-job-market-feels-it-might-overheat-manufacturing-jobs-grow-fastest-pace-

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. “We know there will be some short term pain, but think it will help in the long run.”

    And further below:

    And while senior administration officials have expressed hope that the move could help facilitate the peace process, two senior White House officials acknowledged Wednesday that that was not a central goal.

    “His decision wasn’t meant to help (the peace team). It was meant to do what he chose to do, but it was also meant to respect his other goal which is to reach a historic peace agreement,” one senior White House official said.

    Got that it? It wasn’t done to help the people working to achieve peace and security for Israel, it was done to give people on Fox News an excuse to sing praise Trump’s praises for a news cycle or two.

    I’m not opposed to the move in principle, just to the sleazy and dishonest way it was handled by a sleazy and dishonest president.

    Dave (445e97)

  46. More from the guttersnipe…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Dave, there has not been a peace process for a long time, thanks to Hamas missiles and PA pensions for terrorists.

    There is a peace process, to the extent that both sides are still engaged in dialog or cooperation to any degree, however limited.

    Simply keeping violence from flaring up, so people can live their lives, is a worthwhile goal, even if nobody is going to win the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

    Dave (445e97)

  48. I think it is accurate to say the Palestinian Authority stopped all meaningful dialogue and cooperation quite a while ago.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  49. Narciso@45

    It was commonly said back then that the Church’s position stemmed from the theological difficulties of admitting that the Jews had indeed returned to their own land. Curiously our own Benbern echoes that.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  50. I find fault with Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and yes, even George W Bush, along with every member of Congress who supported this move until someone actually followed thru. A dickless, feckless, soulless lot.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. What they forget the old testament or the first ten or so of the new, and yes the Jews including the insufferable Pharisees were a vehicle for the covenant to be fulfilled.

    narciso (4346c7)

  52. The Czechs were first to recognize in the recent period, the russians,back in april.

    narciso (4346c7)

  53. CNN does not invent quotes and sources out of whole cloth.

    It must be incredibly liberating for you, being able to dismiss – on the basis of no evidence – any and all information that bothers you.

    Dave (445e97) — 12/6/2017 @ 5:35 pm

    Saddam shows otherwise.

    You love to defend your leftists.

    NJRob (70b1bd)

  54. . A dickless, feckless, soulless lot.

    I agree with the sentiment. But somehow that first adjective seems wrong when applied to Billy Jeff Clinton.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  55. It’s a metaphor as with the Spanish cognate.

    narciso (4346c7)

  56. According to Paula Jones, “like a roll a quarters with a bend to the left”.

    To the left, naturally.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  57. I think it is accurate to say the Palestinian Authority stopped all meaningful dialogue and cooperation quite a while ago.

    I’d be surprised if that were the case. I’m not suggesting they are negotiating anything of importance, but there is low-level communication and cooperation in policing various West Bank areas, where responsibility is shared under the terms of the Oslo accord.

    In Hamas-controlled Gaza, on the other hand, I’m sure there is literally no cooperation.

    Dave (445e97)

  58. here is a singing about Jerusalem from thatcher’s England pls to enjoy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. Shirley he can’t be serious?

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. And here’s more people singing about Jerusalem
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4G5H_TTvU

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  61. “In Hamas-controlled Gaza, on the other hand, I’m sure there is literally no cooperation.”

    Oh… quite literally. I think you’re on to something there, condave. I don’t remember anyone before you who has analyzed the situation and determined that Hamas are not who they claim to be… honest brokers of peace, they just want to give peace a chance.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. that is so many people singing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. It was Joe Green’s first top ten hit.

    kishnevi (5a999e)

  64. here is a singing about Jerusalem from thatcher’s England pls to enjoy
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/6/2017 @ 7:16 pm

    Shirley he can’t be serious?
    narciso (d1f714) — 12/6/2017 @ 7:19 pm

    You watching the Happy premier on SyFy?

    Sarah Paulson aka Marcia Clark really released the F-bomb Kraken on cable tv.

    Pinandpuller (678829)

  65. In zandi and Dave, in that order.

    hitman 47 with Hannah ware, who sort of replaced Olga kurylenko

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a good move because it is an honest move. A clear statement that Israel enjoys the unconditional support of the United States, which it does.

    As for “advancing the peace process” … only in the sense that the firebombing of Tokyo advanced the peace process. By demoralizing the Palestinians and telling them that Israel is there to stay, and stay under its own terms. Which is also a fair and honest view of America’s Israel policy.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable…….The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive and that allows them to prosper. Any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel’s identity as a Jewish state with secure, recognized, defensible borders. And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided”. – Barack Obama – 2008

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/trump-makes-good-on-an-obama-campaign-promise-video/

    harkin (b274da)

  68. Pundits keep using the term “peace process”. I do not think it means what they think it means.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  69. And the brotherhood renders its dispassionate decision, they are the heads of chtluthu

    narciso (d1f714)


  70. It must be incredibly liberating for you, being able to dismiss – on the basis of no evidence – any and all information that bothers you.

    I wasn’t dismissing anything, Dave. I was just pointing out that CNN is not the be all end all for truth. You really need to get over the Trump hate. You’ve become boring. You are at the point where you bitch Trump lied even when he keeps a promise but not on your time table.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  71. In balance this publication gets things more right than wrong:

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/tillerson-rebukes-press-asked-rumored-tensions-trump-get-new-sources

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. kishnevi (5a999e) — 12/6/2017 @ 6:22 pm

    I think it is accurate to say the Palestinian Authority stopped all meaningful dialogue and cooperation quite a while ago.

    it’s more accurate to say they never started it. But they do have to keep anything approaching a final resolution far away.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  73. Cthulhu!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. hitman 47 with Hannah ware, who sort of replaced Olga kurylenko

    narciso (d1f714) — 12/6/2017 @ 7:56 pm

    Was that related to the Tim Olyphant movie?

    Dark Monkey

    Pinandpuller (678829)

  75. Cthulhu!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/6/2017 @ 9:33 pm

    What happens when you say that three times into a mirror?

    Pinandpuller (678829)

  76. You turn into a Quimby like this s fella! http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372847.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. Rupert friend replaced him, she was on this loittle known drama. with James Cromwell that aired after. Apropos of the other thread, scarlet Johansson isn’t high register eother.

    narciso (4346c7)

  78. 7. Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 12/6/2017 @ 4:34 pm

    I see it as what is right. Jerusalem has always been the capital of the Jewish state old and new. I can’t figure how it suddenly wasn’t.

    It wasn’t included in Israel in the original 1947 partition plan. It’s not that Jerusalem is not recognized as the capital of Israel – it is that it is not recognized as being part of Israel – even West Jerusalem. If it is not part of Israel, it obviously can’t be the capital. The United States was stuck with this position until today maybe. And it may still be. The position is: the status of Jerusalem remains to be resolved.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  79. Glad we finally got a President to do the obvious and necessary thing, which is to allow an ally the right to determine their own fate.

    It figures it took a non-politician to do this action.

    NJRob (b00189)

  80. Glad we finally got a President to do the obvious and necessary thing, which is to allow an ally the right to determine their own fate.

    i love him so much just for the freedoms and the prosperity but when you say it like that my heart swells near to bursting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. Due credit to the Trump Administration for this long-overdue step. The announcement speech was apt, and Trump mostly stayed on ‘prompter with it.

    The Palestinians have repeatedly refused to take “Yes” for an answer. They’ve persisted in electing thugs who’ll continue their active support for terrorism rather than ever making peace. It is their fault, not Israel’s, that there is no peace; this is not a case of cultural relativism, the Israelis are simply in the right. What the Palestinians want, plain and simple and without significant deviation ever, is the destruction of Israel, which they cannot accomplish, even with indirect Iranian help. (That calculus may change for the worst when the mullahs get their nuke.) The Palestinians will therefore continue to reap what they sow until they decide to change; nothing stops them from changing but their own self-destructive stubbornness and hate. My entire stock of sympathy for the Palestinians, considered as a group (meaning: with some individual exceptions), ran out sometime before the beginning of this millennium. I have considerably more sympathy for the populations of North Korea and a half-dozen African countries.

    Moving the embassy will be a promise kept if but only if it’s genuinely implemented on a prompt basis. So far it’s a promise reaffirmed, but not yet performed. Every noteworthy step in that implementation will trigger another spasm of rage, condemnation from the Palestinians’ many stooges in the American left and the rest of the anti-Israel international lobby; accomplishing performance of the promise, then, is likely to require more consistency than, say, Trump demonstrated in sticking to spring football for the USFL. Let’s hope for the best.

    I also expect that between now and the 2018 midterms, there will be serious efforts on the Hill to defund at least in part our yearly bribes pirate tributes subsidies to the Palestinian Authority, and I hope Trump will support those efforts. It’s the right thing to do; I think Trump will also perceive it as the politically advantageous thing to do, as will Republicans on the Hill.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  82. DJT is proving quite useful in forcing evil to declare itself. What I had not imagined was he would manage to get the Pope to reveal his disgusting anti-semitism.

    I seriously doubt we will get either a Southern border wall nor this embassy built. However, good folk have been given opportunities to at least see the front lines of the fight for Western Civilization.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  83. I’m with NJRob, Trump is no politician, but is the best thing to happen to this country since R.R.

    mg (60b0f7)

  84. Californians – Hope you and your close ones are safe from the fires.

    mg (60b0f7)

  85. Just general cluelessness, on the pontiffs part, hes big on skydragons but nit much about the Word.

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. Lefties catch a YUGE break on their future transportation needs… https://futurism.com/toyota-power-plant-clean-energy-manure/

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  87. This has been out there for a few days, but remember this the next time these lefty artistes get all preachy and virtue signally… truly deformed personalities: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/05/media-elite-laughed-at-2008-roast-sending-matt-lauer-s-pervy-behavior.html

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  88. 88… tires, oil, filters, belts, plugs… only expenses for lefty drivers, they themselves can power their vehicles… a big savings!!!

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)


  89. 90.88… tires, oil, filters, belts, plugs… only expenses for lefty drivers, they themselves can power their vehicles… a big savings!!!

    And they’re used to the stench from their compost bins and flushless toilets.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  90. Whatta FLAKE!

    People assume that anything Republicans in Congress do is Trump’s initiative,” he said. “But we’ve been working on tax reform for years! I’ve been pushing for lowering the corporate rate for well over a decade. This notion that it’s the president’s agenda that we’re fulfilling just doesn’t tell the story.”

    BWAAAAHAAAAA HAH!

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  91. Yes its been like George Jetson on the conveyor belt:
    Ot prog civility

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5152623/Ivanka-Trump-slammed-photo-kids-dress.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. Beldar likes Trumps accelerants but at least Trump is igorant of the whirlwind reaped from his wind.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  93. Indeed, narco. Gerald Ford sacrificed his career and I think 2018 should be the Republican sacrifice of seppuku.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  94. That would not be smart, narciso. Because, then, without fear of prosecution, they would testify that they killed JFK on Trump’s orders. None of those clowns can be trusted, except his own kids and I’m not so sure about Ivanka and her husband.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. You really need to get over the Trump hate. You’ve become boring.

    Good thing I never get tired of hearing about Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, etc to justify or excuse every idiotic and/or immoral and/or dishonest thing Trump does. Otherwise, I might get bored here too.

    You are at the point where you bitch Trump lied even when he keeps a promise but not on your time table.

    I support the principle of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

    I also support the principle of trains running on time. But I don’t praise Mussolini for making it happen.

    As far as I’m concerned, there are only two things that Donald Trump could do, as President, that would be worthy of praise:

    1) Resigning, or
    2) Taking his own life

    technically, there is a third:

    3) apologizing sincerely for his past behavior, and making a good-faith effort, going forward, to behave in a manner consistent with being the leader of the greatest country in the world.

    …but unfortunately, we all know that possibility is the least likely of the three.

    Dave (445e97)

  96. I don’t have a problem with expanding Trumps criminality, no.

    Y’all had evidence Obama started the Chicago fire and the assasination of Arch Duke Ferdinand.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  97. All along Ive said our fickle Narcissist will quit and walk away from his mess without a backward glance. He’ll disappear like Weinstein and Spacey without a pang of consciece.just as he did on his debt obligations.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  98. Its the only defense against malicious lawfare like Mueller is conducting.

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. Splayed out, lifeless and rotting in the sun, the Rumpublican Party…collateral and integral damage done to themselves.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  100. As far as I’m concerned, there are only two things that Donald Trump could do, as President, that would be worthy of praise:

    1) Resigning, or
    2) Taking his own life

    I think at this point, Dave everybody here is aware that is your position. For you to repeat it ad nauseam is unnecessary. And for you to want death of the president is really beneath contempt. He’s a political opponent in a republic not Mao in a communist dictatorship. You and comrade Ben! share the usual leftist trait in that you want your opponent dead and Ben! says he’s a criminal. Can’t an opponent just be an opponent? “A Marxist system is recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes political opponents.” Solzhenitsyn

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  101. What are Dos laws on involuntary commitment?

    The Hill

    Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) former presidential campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, said early Thursday that President Trump was “clearly slurring his words” during an announcement that the U.S. will recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, adding that “the impairment is chilling.”

    “I don’t know the cause of it, but when you combine it with [Sen.] Bob Corker’s critique that the president of the United States is unstable, that he’s dangerous, when you look at the private comments that are made by members of Congress around his stability, you look at his actions in recent weeks,” said Schmidt, who is also an MSNBC contributor, on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    “The question of his fitness, of his stability, is in the air,” Schmidt later added. “And it doesn’t get better when you see clear impairments.”

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  102. Hoo Boy Hoagie!

    You never repeat yourself. Lol.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  103. Dry throat is what the White House says (Nk with the follow-up in 3..2..1..?). There is a trend of increased water consumption. Not to wish bad, but maybe we just see the onset of chronic conditions that dont delibitate, but actually make him more salable to the grey-beard boomer crowd.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  104. , but actually make him more salable to the grey-beard boomer crowd.

    I think Boomers are the new Silent Majority…countering the loud-mouths 37 per cent.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  105. You never repeat yourself. Lol.

    I have to comrade, I’m dealing with children who won’t listen. They’ve been having a 13 month hissy-fit and can’t seem to get over it. We know you hate Trump. I can’t stand Hillary or Obummer but I don’t bang you over the head about how they should die or be locked up every thread.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  106. they have proven to be the most, er, volatile. I just wish they would hold back on those salacious female Depends commercials (oohh, you cant see these through my jeans)…ewwff!

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  107. Dr. Evil, that’s good for a laugh, I wonder if his sweating over his mercury colleagues lobbying for Russia, he doesn’t qualify as the alternate Hollywood square.

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. If the slurring of words does not repeat itself or continue, it is not serious. Doctors would call it Transient Ischemic Accident or TIA, and it could be caused by some type of medication, that he probably shouldn’t have been prescribed.

    And it could also have been in large part because he was uncertain how to finish the sentence.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  109. And for you to want death of the president is really beneath contempt.

    So is putting words I never said into my mouth.

    He’s a political opponent in a republic not Mao in a communist dictatorship…Can’t an opponent just be an opponent?

    Maybe you should give him your little lecture on civics.

    You know, the guy who made putting his opponent in prison the centerpiece of his stump speech, and who promised to pay the legal fees of any supporters who “beat the crap out of” (his words) demonstrators at his rallies. The guy who called the news media “the enemy of the American people” and thinks “It’s frankly disgusting the press is able to write whatever they want.”

    See, you claim to understand my position, but you don’t. My opposition to Trump is not primarily political (i.e. policy-related). His methods are un-American.

    Dave (445e97)

  110. VIN Weber?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  111. Yrs he was the borscht bearer who worjwd for manafort, you didn’t see that coming?

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. Transient Ischemic Attack.

    STROKE!

    But I’m not thinking wistfully as Mushmouth the veep is chomping at his dentures.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. Franken makes it official…

    He will not be missed.

    Dave (445e97)

  114. His methods are un-American.

    Whatabout Chappiquiddick?

    But..Gorsuch.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  115. Weber was the darling of the Kempian years, so not at all surprised.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  116. “I am leaving while a man bragged on tape about his history of the sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party.”

    LOL.

    Dave (445e97)

  117. I call your Franken and raise you a narcissist.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  118. Not to put too fine a point on it…

    Dave (445e97)

  119. Trump and his 1/3 minority.

    In that way, the tax debate offers the clearest measure of how powerfully the Republican Party in the Trump era is folding inward. Neither Trump nor GOP congressional leaders are even pretending to represent the entire country—or to consider perspectives beyond those of their core coalition. Instead the party has shown that as long as it can maintain internal unity over its direction, it will ignore objections from virtually any outside source—not just Democrats, but also independent experts, affected interest groups, and traditional allies abroad.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/taxes-trump-congress/547706/

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  120. as long as it can maintain internal unity over its direction

    That happens, what, about once a decade?

    Dave (445e97)

  121. They used to be disciplined..speak no evil of a fellow republicans

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  122. 83. Beldar (fa637a) — 12/6/2017 @ 11:54 pm

    They’ve persisted in electing thugs who’ll continue their active support for terrorism

    Do they get any other kinds of candidates?

    rather than ever making peace. It is their fault, not Israel’s, that there is no peace;

    Not the fault of the Palestinians. The fault of other Arabs who make sure that there are no Palestinian leaders willing to make peace, (I could say “on any reasonable terms,” but it’s really make peace period, except that they try to throw the blame onto Israel) and then hide behind them.

    Mohammed Abbas has openly said he cannot do anything against the Arab League, and the Arab League is against giving up th “right of return” and some other things Israel will never agree to.

    I should say that all of the things people talk about irrelevant – the real issue is hatred of Israel, and support of sander s and libels against Israel and Jews, and support of terrorism and war crimes, which is not something you can negotiate an end to, and which must come to a complete, total and forever stop before you can deal with any remaining issues, unless you want them all to be resolved in a=way tilted toward Israel at least as much as according to the status quo.

    Jews cannot go safely, even to trade, into any Arab controlled territory, and if it is somewhat safe, it is insecure. The only place Jews and Arabs can live safely together is under Israeli rule, or a place that has a political and military alliance with Israel. That reality needs to be recognized.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  123. Should I try to explain that Parkinson wrote that ruler because the top men were throwing shade on upstarts like George Murphy and Reagan?

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. Franken and Seder

    Coming up on MSNBC

    Pinandpuller (e908b5)

  125. ConDave shows his true colors… also, funny how the media talks about the Prez slurring words, when they haven’t reported on a single instance of Pelosi doing it on numerous occasions.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  126. Meanwhile they the Palestinians as second class citizens and serfs on the land. Occasionally you have someone like Abe zubeydah who grew up in the kingdom rebel but that’s rare.

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. Juche Dave, yes its not even sporting

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. “As far as I’m concerned, there are only two things that Donald Trump could do, as President, that would be worthy of praise:

    1) Resigning, or
    2) Taking his own life”

    —- Dave aka ConDave

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  129. this is not a case of cultural relativism, the Israelis are simply in the right. What the Palestinians want, plain and simple and without significant deviation ever, is the destruction of Israel, which they cannot accomplish, even with indirect Iranian help.

    The majority of them do not probably want that, at least in any practical sense but no one cannot openly say it. The most they can say though is that they are non political. Their politial culture is sick. No one can even come out, in principle against the murder of Jewish settlers on the West Bank. The most they can say is that it is against Palestinian interests – that it doesn’t make political sense.

    Wanting to get rid of Israel? The only thing you actually see are Arabs trying to stay under Israeli rule, even moving for that purpose. Many have moved to be on the Israeli side of the security fence, since the fence does not correspond exactly to all areas considered part of Israel. You see people trying to get into Israeli hospital – even the worst declared enemies of Israel from Hamas – and complaining any time there is a some problem – and also trying to take advantage of access for purposes of killing people.

    nothing stops them from changing but their own self-destructive stubbornness and hate.

    Of course things stop it. Lebanon signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1982, and was forced to tear it up. People who have no connection to Israel are forced to hate it. Lie in Bangladesh. It is easier to deny that Mohammed was a prophet.

    If Lebanon which has no dispute with Israel (except for Hezbollah’s claim that a tiny portion of the Golan heights copied by Israel really belongs to Lebanon and not Syria) cannot make peace, how can anyone with a real dispute?

    What stops it are principally the 3 C’s:

    1) Corruption

    2) Cowardice (justified in most cases)

    and

    3) Cronyism.

    The greatest lie of all here is that there are any “Palestinians” who are free agents in this matter. (I guess we can define Palestinians as people who hold Palestinian citizenship, recognized by many countries.)

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  130. Moving the embassy will be a promise kept if but only if it’s genuinely implemented on a prompt basis. So far it’s a promise reaffirmed, but not yet performed. Every noteworthy step in that implementation will trigger another spasm of rage, condemnation from the Palestinians’ many stooges in the American left and the rest of the anti-Israel international lobby; accomplishing performance of the promise, then, is likely to require more consistency than, say, Trump demonstrated in sticking to spring football for the USFL. Let’s hope for the best.

    I think this is going to be on a schedule so that an embassy is actually going to be there only after the next Presidential election. (bury probably in the first year or two of that)

    Unless something upsets the applecart, one way or the other, before that.

    There actually won’t be much of a problem now because Saudi Arabia and others need the U.S. alliance. Nor will their enemies make much of a fuss, because that could turn the United States even more against them. Evil despots and terrorists link the two issues to their peril. It doesn’t work to make the United States less supportive of Israel. At least for now.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  131. Lebanon is organized along mostly sectarian lines, the marinates get a voice with on(who is a tool of syria, hariri fils represents the sunni the ship also get a voice, the Palestinians get bupkis.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. beldar @83:

    I also expect that between now and the 2018 midterms, there will be serious efforts on the Hill to defund at least in part our yearly bribes pirate tributes subsidies to the Palestinian Authority, and I hope Trump will support those efforts. It’s the right thing to do; I think Trump will also perceive it as the politically advantageous thing to do, as will Republicans
    .

    hat;’s already going on. the taykor Force Act. Which has nothing to do with the verb “force” but with a U.S. citizen, ex-military, murdered in tel Aviv by a West Bank resident whose family was rewarded by the Palestinian Authority with a monthly pension equivalent to several times the average Palestinian wage. There’s even a schedule of payments for terrorist acts, according to severity and the degree of success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Force_Act

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1164

    They have a difficult time holding the PA even to the most limited standards of civilized behavior. Too big to fail and all that. (The peace process)

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  133. @Dave;

    “So his declaration last May was false, then?”

    I haven’t time to research this, so I will assume that the matter you are asserting is true. If so, the declaration he made six months ago was part of a process called ‘politics’. You do what everybody tells you you need to do, and when it doesn’t work you do something else.

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  134. How about we respond to the Palestinians’ ‘Three Days of Rage’ with three days of carpet bombing?

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  135. three days of carpet bombing?

    Past scorched Earthers like 7 days.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  136. pooper palestinians are you mad

    mad enough to move out of your lovely refugee camps and get jobs like real people?

    lol just joking deep breaths losers

    but seriously this is why everybody hates you and then on top of that you act like rabid animals all the time

    so disgusting i don’t know how you can stand living with each other that’s how nasty you are

    this must be so humiliating for you how nobody cares what you think about Jerusalem

    suck it up losers there’s more where that came from
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/7/2017 @ 10:12 am Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  137. stupid palestinians are you mad

    mad enough to move out of your lovely refugee camps and get jobs like real people?

    lol just joking deep breaths losers

    but seriously this is why everybody hates you and then on top of that you act like rabid animals all the time

    so disgusting i don’t know how you can stand living with each other that’s how nasty you are

    this must be so humiliating for you how nobody cares what you think about Jerusalem

    suck it up losers there’s more where that came from

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. oh my first comment did go through ikes i must have copied the moderate message and confuzzled myself

    the fires in LA are making this day more harder than it should be

    too many meetings getting rearranged just cause of some burning plants or whatever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. Frank-en/Weiner/2020

    mg (60b0f7)

  140. Slager, rogue cop with itchy trigger finger gets 20 years.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  141. pork floss has a lot more carbs than you’d think cause of they marinate it in a sweetened soy sauce still you can use a small spoonful as a garnish if you want unless you’re palestinian and you don’t get pork floss at all cause you on the welfare you whole life :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. 3rd party stand-in for deceased RNC in 2018.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  143. I’m not sure the embassy will “move” so much as the nameplates of the US Consulate in Jerusalem and the US Embassy in Tel Aviv will simply be swapped.

    Mitch (341ca0)

  144. Moving our embassy is sure to cause chaos, death and destruction.

    Trump bowed, and Putin smiled.

    Tillman (a95660)

  145. same thing the important thing is the palestinians are humiliated and are gonna start blowing themselves up like jiffy pop

    too funny

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. I would have done it not for the political considerations, but for the possibility of leasing out existing or building a new tower in T.A. at the current embassy.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  147. Get with it people. The move is not just political. Sheesh.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  148. It’s also good clean fun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. Yeah, sappy feet. Almost as much fun as a 500 lb bomb going through your roof.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  150. I bet you got a kick out of Treblinka too.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  151. 152/153: Lets absond that Slager guy from South Carolina and have him waiting on Chicago’s North Side….

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  152. don’t be so bitter just cause of how President Trump pointedly b-slapped the palestinian people

    it’s for sure not without its humorous aspects you know

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. The Czech republic which once upon a time, provided the original shipment of arms recognized Jerusalem earlier.

    narciso (4346c7)

  154. This Pope has abandoned truth as a guide for human affairs. Pathetic.

    I was motivated to convert for a number of personal reasons (including marriage and kids), but not in small part because of the example of Pope John Paul II.

    I remain blessed to be part of a great parish, in a conservative Diocese, and my kids are doing great – but Pope Francis is a trial.

    Steve Malynn (296daf)

  155. Beldar (fa637a) — 12/6/2017 @ 11:54 pm

    I agree, Beldar. Also, the mighty opposition, that every step towards accomplishing the move will bring, may allow Trump’s administration to continue making quiet and undisturbed strides in other areas. If the move is ultimately blocked, then perhaps we may have hope that it proved to be an adequate political lightning rod. We’ll see.

    felipe (023cc9)

  156. What a total SHOCK that Patterico didn’t put up a post about this. God, it must suck to be him. Pat hitched his box car to the hate train, meanwhile Donald Awful the Terrible keeps on keepin’ on, kicking ass every step of the way.

    It’s absolutely KILLING Pat. Makes Trump’s success all that much sweeter.

    Meanwhile, Pat is reduced to posting mean girl sniper shots about his Twitter nemesis Cerno. Gotta love it. These are great days in which to live, watching the haters hatin’ life.

    Heh heh. It’s GOOD to be the king, fellow Trumpsters!

    School Marm (b10d2d)

  157. What was striking was the pontiff didn’t even bother with the source passage behind the creed, but if you worship skydragons?

    narciso (4346c7)

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