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12/6/2017

Bannon Upset Romney Avoided Vietnam

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am

Steve Bannon is upset Mitt Romney avoided Vietnam. At a rally for Roy Moore, Bannon mocked Romney for not serving in the war:

Steve Bannon bashed Mitt Romney Tuesday night for, as he put it, hiding behind his religion to avoid getting drafted into the Vietnam War.

Bannon, stumping for controversial Senate candidate Roy Moore of Alabama in Fairhope, Alabama, touted Moore’s military service in Vietnam and criticized Romney for his lack of “honor and integrity.” Romney tweeted Monday, “no vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity.”

“By the way, Mitt, while we’re on the subject of honor an integrity, you avoided service, brother,” Bannon said. “Mitt, here’s how it is, brother: The college deferments, we can debate that — but you hid behind your religion. You went to France to be a missionary while guys were dying in rice paddies in Vietnam.”

Here’s some video:

“The college deferments we can debate that” thing may be a reference to the way Bannon himself stayed out of the war: “Bannon did not serve in Vietnam, either, though he was of age to do so and attended college during the final years of the war.”

But inquiring minds want to know: whatabout bone spurs?

Not that long ago, I noted that “Republicans will never again be able to credibly attack a Democrat on grounds of character in my lifetime.” Since the Trump/Bannon wing loves attacking Republicans at least as much as it loves attacking Democrats, I should have said “a Democrat or another Republican.” There’s no character-based attack that doesn’t also apply to Donald Trump.

By the way, Bannon attacked Romney’s family too: “Judge Moore has more honor and integrity in that pinky finger than your entire family has in its whole DNA.”

And a room full of people who voted for Mitt Romney cheered.

Next thing he’ll accuse Mitt Romney of being a rich fat cat who got where he is today only because of his dad. (Insert your own “this applies to Donald Trump too” joke here.)

No wonder Donald Trump says that people are saying there is a unity in this Republican party like we’ve never seen before.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

118 Responses to “Bannon Upset Romney Avoided Vietnam”

  1. Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam and w didn’t, that it didn’t matter with bush sir and Clinton, with ford and carter

    narciso (d1f714)

  2. Well, Michael Savage did point out, either in 2007 or 2011, that it was a bad look that none of Mitt Romney’s sons was in the military “not even to fly a plane”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  3. Does Roms still have that commando team that rescued the Bain employees in Mexico? Hmmm…

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  4. So Moore who was nearly niedermayered gets no credit

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/937818908135968768

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. Yes I haven forgotten how savaged behaved in 2008.

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. N, You really needed some sort of excuse to be in Alaska, you have it bad. I cant blame you, I was watching some RE show about Alaska on TLC or HGTV two nights ago and not a dog amongst the agents or clients of the female persuation.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  7. I’m surprised uncomedy central hasn’t found a slot for him.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CaptYonah/status/938445047686721536?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. We do find ways of ignoring that another campaign promise was fulfilled.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. re: “Republicans will never again be able to credibly attack a Democrat on grounds of character in my lifetime.” Since the Trump/Bannon wing loves attacking Republicans at least as much as it loves attacking Democrats, I should have said “a Democrat or another Republican.” There’s no character-based attack that doesn’t also apply to Donald Trump.

    So what? Nobody said Trump was perfect. We said that you should fight back using whatever you can, something the GOP has refused to do. Pretending you are super moral because you refuse to fight back with the same weapons the enemy does is foolish, whether in war or politics, which is a milder version of war.

    Besides, most people don’t actually believe that the Bushes or Romneys or other GOP establishment types have good character. You are just trying to shame conservatives, not win over the masses.

    Donaldo (95053d)

  10. Romney’s a filthy coward he’s not even a good person

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Life-threatening bone spurs?

    Bannon is just squid ink service in the rear with the gear

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  12. I do find citing CNN humorous, were not they the ones who pre Brian missed themselves, who put a target on Zimmerman and threw kerosene in ferguson.

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. You thought you were treat Williams chatacrer in hair, didn’t you?

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. Several disqualification Trump could have used. Can you find them?

    Consider just a few of the many medical conditions that could have disqualified someone from military service, if found to be severe or detrimental, in 1863:

    Insanity or mania Scrofula or constitutional syphilis Cancer Habitual drunkenness Acne rosacea Masturbation may result in rejection or discharge of service Minimum stature of 5-foot-3, and possibly maximum height of 6-foot-3 A greater weight than 220 pounds, unless accompanied by corresponding height and muscular sufficiency Deafness Hernia and stomach ulcers Contagious skin diseases Club feet, splay feet, flat feet

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  15. During the civil war, I forgot tesla gave them the time machine.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. Bannon is remembered as much for his skill at sports as for his work on the ship’s deck. When the Foster docked at ports in different parts of the world, the ship’s basketball team often lined up games against local competition. Bannon’s nickname was “Coast,” short for coast-to-coast, because on the basketball court he’d never pass the ball, Mickle said. Bannon also excelled at baseball, although shipmates ribbed him for being called out three times in one inning, recalled David Ziemba, who spoke warmly about his former roommate.

    https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/bmqqz5/steve-bannons-navy-shipmates-reveal-that-he-was-a-terrible-pickup-teammate

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  17. . Pretending you are super moral because you refuse to fight back

    These are not the morals that (I believe) Patterico is talking about.

    The “Party of Family Values” elected a serial adulterer as President, to say nothing of Roy Moorre.

    The “Party of Fiscal Responsibilty” is close to passing a tax bill that raises taxes on a lot of people while simultaneously increasing the debt.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  18. Bannon 6-9 PM Channel 125 Sirius XM
    Knocking out rinos one day at a time

    mg (60b0f7)

  19. Eastern time

    mg (60b0f7)

  20. They have 25 seats to defend, you would think they would parcel their funds more carefully.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. mittens is a prime example of a lazy azz con man that Bannon truly described last night. Bannon rocks it for me.

    mg (60b0f7)

  22. Its like shooting womprats singer is likely one of thud money men.

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. It’s striking how eager Mitt Romney is to viciously savage military veterans what served their country in Vietnam when he was too cowardly to do so himself.

    This does not reflect well on Mitt Romney’s character.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. Is he seriously claiming that for a Mormon to go on a mission is “hiding behind his religion” for the purpose of avoiding some other duty? I mean, this is something that *all* Mormon men of a certain age are *required* to do.

    I don’t *like* proselytism, but inferring ill intent and saying Romney was hiding behind his religion *because he was performing a duty that the religion requires of everyone*? That’s outrageously offensive.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  25. Jonathan Gruber was outrageously offensive as well.
    thank cowardice mittens

    mg (60b0f7)

  26. you gotta fight for your right to party that’s what Mitt Romney doesn’t understand cause he’s so stupid and perverted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. Problem is, though Bannon is as rough as a cob, he’s right. Was living in Europe at the time Sir Willard of Romney Marsh practiced the missionary position in France and if memory serves, there was one helluva lot of churches and cathedrals there already– and a god they worshipped went by the name of DeGaulle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. How far we’ve come over the last hundred years from dueling with swords or pistols to dueling with insults when one’s honor is besmirched. Sticks and stones… my mother used to say. Let’s try that.

    crazy (d99a88)

  29. Don’t forget the “magic underwear”, you slurring dickwads.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  30. Actually, being a Mormon mish in modern day urban France would be more akin to actual warfare, no matter how many superficial similarities to Islam a set-upon Utahan could cite to a banlieu racaille.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  31. I have a cousin who served in Vietnam – saw his high school buddy’s head get blown off while right next to him – and served on a mission a few months after his return. How’s that for a selfless two-fer?

    Romney lost me last year, but Bannon can kiss my ass when he takes this route. And so can each and every one of you who slurs a religion.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  32. @31. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Not to mention his self-confessed, obsessive quest at chasing Annie through an airport at Christmas, 1968–while the rest of humankind was focused on watching Apollo 8 circle the moon.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. And up yo ass, happyfeet.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  34. @33. Capitalism vs. Mormonism: religion or cult?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. To paraphrase Col’s hero: they told me there would religious persecution on an unparalled scale if I voted for the Mormon, especially if I voted for Mormons in consecutive presidential elections.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  36. Bannon served in the Navy for 7 years, and his daughter graduated from West Point.
    mittens should keep his mouth shut.

    mg (60b0f7)

  37. Bannon is a fat, lying, hypocritical, piece of garbage. But the moron Trumpkins (yeah, I know it’s a tautology) eat that sh!t up.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. nononono not up my ass

    i just hope in the future Mr. Romney shows more compassion for the vietnam veterans

    maybe he just needs to read more about what those people went through (poor conditions)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. Why didn’t Romney go after Obama in 2012 (he was only running against him for President of the United States) with a tenth of the ferocity he goes after Moore (or Trump)?

    DN (4c7af4)

  40. @39. Alas, nk, but in conjunction w/mg’s comment at #38– he’s essentially right, and employed incendiary language to fire up the target andience, managed to get the clip played over and over on the cablers and embedded in a P’s post.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. But was he like Damien Chapa (laundry) in Under Siege or Keenan Ivory Wayans (quartermaster/typist) in Im Gonna Git You Sucker? Its (the real world version of said service) still worthy of respect mind you.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  42. Bannon served in the Navy for 7 years

    And lately has been keeping company with Milo Yiannopoulos, Lucian Wintrich and Twinks for Trump. IYKWIMAITYD

    Romney didn’t say anything about Bannon’s military service or Trump trying to have sex with landmines. Bannon pulled that garbage out of where he sticks other things because Romney criticized Moore over the honey boo-boo sex allegations.

    The elephant in the room, for me, is what the hell is Moore doing getting help from a guy who is buddies with Milo Yiannopoulos?

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Bannon and Brietbart making the elite whine and moan, it is a most beautiful thing. You no Trumpers lost. God is Great.

    mg (60b0f7)

  44. Islam offers 72 virgins; Mormons, a planet; Christianity, salvation; Sinatra, Witchcraft. Your move, Walmart.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. The tent is replacing no trumpers with homosexuals. lmao

    mg (60b0f7)

  46. Wheehttp://www.tvsmacktalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/01_05RomneyDogRoof2.gif

    mg (60b0f7)

  47. When Romney was no longer eligible for college or missionary deferments, he entered the draft lottery in December 1969 and got a very high number.

    He actually faced the possibility of being drafted, which Donald Trump never did.

    Dave (445e97)

  48. he should have just volunteered why did he have to do lottery? he didn’t!

    he’s a pooper!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. “Character” has never been a wise, ‘better than you’ family values premise for Republicans to pitch given the wreckage in their wake. Case in point- icon Reagan knocked up Nancy w/Patti, then opted to get hitched.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. Yes, that has never happened before, ASPCA. That is a big flaw.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  51. Quite serious. You aren’t of serious mind.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  52. Why did Trump have to cruise 42nd Street in six-inch stiletto heels till he got bone spurs, and then show up for his draft board interview in a mini dress and a blonde wig?

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Why did Trump have to cruise 42nd Street in six-inch stiletto heels till he got bone spurs, and then show up for his draft board interview in a mini dress and a blonde wig?

    Was he trying to pick up Roy Moore?

    Dave (445e97)

  54. @53. =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    It is quite ‘serious’ peddling snake oil fakery w/’do as I say, not as I do.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. Was he trying to pick up Roy Moore?

    I’m not kidding about Moore, Bannon and Yiannopoulos. Yiannopoulos famously said that it’s okay for grown men to have sex with thirteen-year old boys because that’s how he learned to give good head. Are those the birds Moore wants to flock with?

    nk (dbc370)

  56. @58. Much of the electorate- and many women– love ‘bad boys.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. How does Bannon fell about Trump’s line the he doesn’t like guys who got captured, i. e. McCain?

    Charlie Davis (e0d495)

  58. Trump RULZ Romney DROOLZ

    no backsies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. Trump RULZ

    I heard he’s above the law, too.

    Dave (445e97)

  60. @61. Mr. Bannon is so dapper, Mr. Feet! Do look for his Army/Navy surplus spread in GQ’s Easter issue.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Doug Jones was killing babies in America. He won’t flinch when he gets the call. Tea and cake or death.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  62. 51 happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/6/2017 @ 12:20 pm

    …he should have just volunteered why 7did he have to do lottery? he didn’t!

    Bill Clinton did something even more.

    I think he changed his date of birth to escape the draft. Well, actually to escape his ROTC committment.)

    That’s why he didn’t want anyone looking at his passport file. It would have contained his original date of birth (What else does somebody imagine might have been in it?)

    In the 1980 Alamanac of American Politics, he is the only politician without a date of birth – only a month: August, 1980.

    I think maybe some people used to know what his date of birth used to be – that’s why his birthday is missing.

    Nobody has ever asked to look at his birth certifcate.

    You don’t beleive any of that? You think it was not possible?

    This is Bill Clinton we’re talking about, and he was a protege of the political machine that ran Hot Springs, Arkansas, of which his step-uncle, Buick dealer Raymond Clinton, was a key member of.

    (I think it lost some power after the death of Owen Vincent “Owney the Killer” Madden in 1965 and the election of Winthrop Rockefeller in 1966. The draft board unexpectedly first reclassified him and then drafted him in 1968. That draft board had not drafted politically connected people who didn’t want to be drafted – of course many did – during World War II*)

    There still was some political influence possible:

    https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

    Britt called draft board chairman Armstrong, his close friend, and asked him, as he later recalled, to “put Clinton’s draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for a while. Give the boy a chance.” This is apparently what Armstrong did for several months. Another member of the Garland County Draft Board, Robert Corrado, later remembered Armstrong holding back Clinton’s file and saying that they had to give him time to go to Oxford,

    Henry Britt, a a Hot Springs lawyer and former judge, had also gotten Bill Clinton abillet in the naval reserve but Clinton wanted soemthing better.

    * See The Bookmaker’s Daughter: A Memory Unbound: Shirley Temple Abbott for about teh draft board. later she wrote alying letter to the New York Times claiming that the machine was gone in Bill Clinton’s time, but her book says the opposite.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  63. here are your comic relief

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. @14

    If you really meant 1863, rich guys could buy commissions or buy their way out.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  65. Here is the difference. mutt romney supported vietnam war held pro draft rally for it. supported iraq war. when asked at iowa state fair by veteran if he supported the iraq war so much why hadn’t any of his 5 sons in the service. rambo romneys answer they are helping me get elected president! that was more important then fight for your country! trump opposed these wars.

    rambo romney (bd5e76)

  66. wow that’s a curious anecdote Mr. F i can’t belieber i never heard that before

    how do you not have a birthday and still be on facebook

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. I think that, by the first part of October, 1969, Bill Clinton knew he could change his date of birth to any date (within reason) that he wanted, and he could do so after the draft lottery was held on December 3, and he asked his draft board to drop his ROTC deferment and reclassify him 1-A.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  68. I think Bill Clinton had a differenmt birthday, in official records, before the draft lottery was held on December 3, 1969 tghan he did afetrweards.

    I don’t know that, but I suspect that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  69. he’s a slick willy that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. @25 aphael

    There is little doubt he could have gone door to door in Vietnam. The name tags are smaller, I suppose.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  71. “It is quite ‘serious’ peddling snake oil fakery w/’do as I say, not as I do.’ “

    I’m left to surmise you are championing the “it’s okay to not live up to/live by high moral and ethical standards, as long as you don’t recommend them to others, lowest common denominator” approach to life. To each his own.

    Colonel Haiku (7f045b)

  72. you can tell Donald Trump didn’t serve in Vietnam you know how?

    we lost

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. whattabout Chappiquiddick?

    But..Gorsuch

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  74. Bannon has mastered the 4 collar fashion look.

    mg (60b0f7)

  75. Of course you never heard it before. Nobody else ever guessed that.

    But it is a fact that his profile in the 1980 Alamanac of American Politics 1980, the first one in which he appeared, is missing the day of the month he was born – and nobody else has a month and not a day.

    And it is also a fact that nothing has ever surfaced, Like a high school record or something or a comteporary diary of a birthday party, that would confirm what his date of birth was before 1969

    The date of borth is probably wrong: His fsather arrived back in Chicago on December 7, 1945, and he was not a premature baby. This is usually mentioned to suggest that someone else was his resl father. So they lied about when his father came home:”

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/clinton.family.shtml

    In December 1945 Blythe was honorably discharged from the Army. He had no plans of living in Hope, Arkansas and had a job waiting for him in Chicago selling heavy equipment. In her recollections, Virginia said she reunited with Blythe in November but his military records indicated he did not arrive home from Italy until December 1 – and was discharged on December 7. “This is inconsequential except for one thing: the timing of the conception of Clinton …nine months before Clinton was born (August 19, 1946), Blythe was still in Italy. Virginia’s answer was that Clinton was born a month early.” (Source: First in His Class)

    I say no, Bill Blythe was his fatehr, but the date of birth is wrong. It was not the 19th of August. Bill Clinton changed it after teh draft lottery was held to avoid the draft and any form of military service, like ROTC.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  76. Forcing an outcome (End Times) to escalate project is a false fulfillment. The New Sanhedrin (evangelicals) are pushing Apocalypse Now!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/06/does-the-senate-tax-bill-really-offer-a-tax-break-for-private-jets-as-key-democrats-claim/

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  77. Escalate prophecy.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  78. Sorry nelglected to close the blockquote.

    That should be:

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/clinton.family.shtml

    In December 1945 Blythe was honorably discharged from the Army. He had no plans of living in Hope, Arkansas and had a job waiting for him in Chicago selling heavy equipment. In her recollections, Virginia said she reunited with Blythe in November but his military records indicated he did not arrive home from Italy until December 1 – and was discharged on December 7. “This is inconsequential except for one thing: the timing of the conception of Clinton …nine months before Clinton was born (August 19, 1946), Blythe was still in Italy. Virginia’s answer was that Clinton was born a month early.” (Source: First in His Class)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. @46 DCSCA

    If you think about it-Joseph Smith invented Pokémon Go. Thing is, DNA shot huge holes in BOM.

    John the Revelator kept it vague enough. Take from that what you will.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  80. we lost

    So Trump’s even worse than John Kerry, who only tried to make us lose?

    Dave (445e97)

  81. SWIFTBOATED

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  82. Bannon has mastered the 4 collar fashion look.

    One for each chin…

    Dave (445e97)

  83. @58 nk

    Not exactly Caesar, Pompey and Crassus.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  84. JABBAnon the Butt.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  85. The vapors are somewhat amusing:

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/the-mueller-firing-speech/90139

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. So if Clintons joined LDS you would find a basement full of groceries earmarked for Haiti.

    Pinandpuller (41f9f5)

  87. Even Jared Kushner’s new pals, the Saudis, consider this a reckless idea. From Haaretz:

    “Any U.S. announcement on the status of Jerusalem prior to a final settlement would have a detrimental impact on the peace process and would heighten tensions in the region,” Saudi Ambassador Prince Khalid bin Salman said in a statement. “The kingdom’s policy – has been – and remains in support of the Palestinian people, and this has been communicated to the U.S. administration.”

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14108154/trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  88. Interesting they set their capital in an outpost in the nejd, a former outpost of the ahammar, not in Mecca.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. I doubt boy kushner could sell used camels

    mg (60b0f7)

  90. Not interesting Mr deception..

    wholly religious in intent

    No more of your bullsh’t narco.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  91. Dave re lottery

    He didn’t try to argue that Mormons aren’t supposed to gamble?

    Pinandpuller (e908b5)

  92. @91

    So repeal the bill that passed in the 90’s or is there an impeachment trap if Trump doesn’t follow the law?

    Pinandpuller (e908b5)

  93. Build the dang embassy.

    Pinandpuller (e908b5)

  94. Evangelicals should not read this link. :)

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/547643/

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  95. Have you ever heard such bulloney, even from a Presidunce?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/transcript-trumps-remarks-jerusalem-51624196

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  96. @98

    As you say, Khaleesi.

    Pinandpuller (e908b5)

  97. By all means…cults disdain other knowledge and you should adhere

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  98. Pinandpuller, @73: my understanding of the process is that mormon missionaries are *assigned* locations by church elders, and do not get to just go where they choose.

    Is there any evidence that Romney or his family pulled strings to get him this assignment?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  99. 92. narciso (d1f714) — 12/6/2017 @ 1:39 pm

    Interesting they set their capital in an outpost in the nejd, a former outpost of the ahammar, not in Mecca.

    They didn’t originally rule Mecca. Mecca (or some place nearby) was the capital of Hedzjaz, (sp?) a founding member of the League of Nations conquered by the Sultanate of Nejd – not a member of the League of Nations – in 1925.

    The enlarged country (at first called the Kingdom of Hejaz and Nejd) was renamed Saudi Arabia (that is, the portion of Arabia belonging to or ruled by the ibn Saud family) in 1932.

    A small piece in the far northwest of of Hedzjaz was annexed by Transjordan, then ruled by Abdullah, one of the sons of the King Hussein, who before World War I, had been elected sharif of Mecca in 1910. (democracy used to be a much more powerful force 100 years ago than it became later. That’s why the Soviet Union always ran fake elections)

    Abdullah I of Jordan is his great grandson. Abdullah was assassinated n Jerusalem in 1951, his son Talal was considered mentally unstable and his grandson Hussein ruled.)

    Another son ruled Iraq, which he got as a replacement for Syria, but the dynasty was wiped out in a coup in 1958. Jordan and Iraq were protectorates of the British Empire, but Hussein wanted complete independence, and refused to conclude a treaty of friendship with the British, so then they didn’t intervene when Ibn Saud, who had relationship with the British, invaded and conquered Hejaz, and the League of Nations obviously was no help.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  100. 102… The young men and women go where they are needed, they aren’t selecting Club Med vacation spots. If one speaks another language other than English, there would obviously be a good possibility he or she would be assigned to a country where that language is spoken. If they aren’t fluent in another language, the church has an accelerated program to teach them another language. Their instructors are so efficient and successful that their methods and procedures… their process… have been studied and employed elsewhere.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. Can’t believe you didn’t point out the dual hypocrisy of slamming fellow Republicans for committing the sin of slamming fellow Republicans. And both Bannon here and Lewandowski this morning on Fox were feigning outrage over Flake sending a check to Moore’s opponent, as if they’ve never heard of anything more despicable than a Republican donating to a Democrat. Maybe somebody should remind them of the FEC’s records of Hillary Clinton’s senatorial campaign contributions from a certain Donald J. Trump.

    Jerryskids (cfad51)

  102. Because Doug jones was at best incompetent in the Jewell case and an extremist in every major issue one could envision.

    narciso (4346c7)

  103. In war I want Bannon in my fox hole, not some no trumper thats all whine and always bent over to receive.

    mg (60b0f7)

  104. Colonel Haiku, at 104: yeah, this is what I’m saying. I think you and I agree here. It’s massively unfair to say, as pinandpuller did, that Romney *could* have served his mission elsewhere. He served his mission where he was told to, for reasons that he wasn’t privy to, because *that’s how it’s done*.

    Now, if someone can demonstrate that George Romney pulled strings to get him a cushy mission assignment, that’s different. But I have no idea if that’s possible and have seen no evidence that that was done.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  105. Yes the hejaz which was the base of the hashrmites, hasa on the east coast, is a predominantly shia area, the pipelines run down both coast. The saudis are out of burayda in the nejd. Riyadh was originally the fortress of the shammar subtribr the rasheed.

    narciso (4346c7)

  106. Pinandpuller, @73: my understanding of the process is that mormon missionaries are *assigned* locations by church elders, and do not get to just go where they choose.

    Is there any evidence that Romney or his family pulled strings to get him this assignment?
    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 12/6/2017 @ 3:26 pm

    That was a joke. Although with the Army it’s more often kicking doors than going door to door knocking. And the US Army trumped some Mormon theological requirements back in the day IIRC.

    Pinandpuller (678829)

  107. this jerryskidmarks
    he sure seems hard on one side
    soft on teh other

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. Yeah pinandpuller
    the young living righteous lives
    problem in this world

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. put jerry between
    Condave and Rear Admiral
    Twatwaffle sammich

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. No i don’t this k you can put on that category, but there are comparative figures at other blogs I’ve frequented who ate too attuned to what local papers or the times might say.

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. The Trump administration was massively improved the day Bannon was let go. Andrew Breitbart is spinning in his grave.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  112. Today in the annals of TDS:

    Chelsea Handler, who had just evacuated her house, quipped: ‘It’s like Donald Trump is setting the world on fire. Literally and figuratively’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5152225/California-wildfires-halt-production-Westworld-SWAT.html

    Kevin M (752a26)

  113. 117. She would make more sense blaming Al Gore.

    Donald Trump pulling out ofte Paris climate accord didn’t cause this thing. Both the timing snd he size of the effect of doing that or not doing that are wrong.

    But the environmental opposition to cutting trees or clearing acres of plansts did have a lot to do with it.

    Also it is actually possible to spray some proection on houses – not one enough.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

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