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10/30/2017

It’s Manafort

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:40 am

My prediction last night:

I tend to think the indictment will be to a Trump-related person and not a Dem. But it probably will have zilch to do with Russia collusion and everything to do with financial shenanigans (probably Russia-related) and/or lying to the feds.

Always trust content from Patterico! The New York Times reports:

Paul Manafort and his former business associate were indicted on Monday on money laundering, tax and foreign lobbying charges, a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over President Trump’s first year in office.

Mr. Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, and his longtime associate Rick Gates, surrendered to the FBI on Monday. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million to buy properties and services.

“Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on that income,” the indictment reads.

Mr. Gates is accused of transferring more than $3 million from offshore accounts. The two are also charged with making false statements.

Well, it didn’t take a genius to see this coming.

My initial impression is that Trump can spin this as a nothingburger without straining too hard. From what I can tell from the early reports, nothing about this says “Russia collusion.” And Trump will say, not without justification, that his dealings with Manafort show he acted correctly when he learned Manafort was dirty. Deeeeeep in the New York Times article we get this reminder:

Mr. Trump fired Mr. Manafort just months later, after reports that he received more than $12 million in undisclosed payments from Viktor F. Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president and a pro-Russia politician. Mr. Manafort spent years as a political consultant for Mr. Yanukovych.

At most, today’s story is a reminder that Donald Trump sometimes shows very poor judgment in the people he surrounds himself with.

Otherwise, this is kind of a yawner, to be honest.

UPDATE: Unlike the Manafort indictment, this could end up being a problem for Trump:

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

276 Responses to “It’s Manafort”

  1. I bow to you. I thought it would be Flynn.

    nk (dbc370)

  2. I did have Manafort behind Door Number 1, didn’t I? :)

    Just a lot more obvious dirt on that guy.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. this is what sleazy disgraced FBI buttmunch James Comey threw his reputation away for?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. What? What about the “conspiracy against the US” charge? You’ll omit that one here for some reason? ‘Sounds serious to me. Isn’t that a nice way to charge someone of treason?

    Tillman (a95660)

  5. Somebody thought it was worth committing a felony to leak this early.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  6. Just back from long vacation overseas. No surprise here. You are spot on.

    Bar Sinister (f5ce19)

  7. I’ve said all along collusion was not the issue but Trump Tower, as the world’s largest washing machine. It aint over yet .

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  8. Let the Democrat wailing and rending of garments commence!

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  9. What about the “conspiracy against the US” charge?

    Where did you see that?

    nk (dbc370)

  10. @nk: Where did you see that?

    Count one. “that simply means they conspired to commit crimes with the United States as the victim – and the indictment specified that those crimes are the tax and lobbying disclosure violations.”

    Contra Tillman, it’s not a “nice way to say treason”, it’s utterly unrelated to treason.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  11. Asked whether any Manafort deals seemed particularly troubling in retrospect, a senior administration official replied, “You mean like this one?” and appended a link to a 2016 story on Manafort’s alleged attempts to launder a Ukrainian oil and gas billionaire’s ill-gotten fortune through New York real estate—including the Drake.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/30/some-thoughts-on-the-manafort-indictment/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  12. Given all that is just coming to light, I would think the word “treason” is something teh Democrats would want to keep on teh downlow, Tillie…

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  13. Only a very captious and unkind person would draw any adverse inferences from Mr. Trump The President, making a person who had received $12 million from Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s puppet President of the Ukraine, his very own campaign manager, to bring the GOP establishment into line and ensure an uncontested convention.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. This is just teh tip o’the iceberg in LeftyLand…

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=57587

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  15. Count one. “that simply means they conspired to commit crimes with the United States as the victim – and the indictment specified that those crimes are the tax and lobbying disclosure violations.”

    Exactly. Thank you, Frederick.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. Col. Haiku, Captain Chaos knew that this was coming, and when. That’s why we get all this noise about Clinton and Uranium One: he has no other defense except diversion.
    Even if our so-called President’s charges are true, and I doubt them seriously, it would be far less important to worry about them right now. Trump is in power, Clinton is not.

    Tillman (a95660)

  17. UPDATE: Unlike the Manafort indictment, this could end up being a problem for Trump:

    http://twitter.com/csmcdaniel/status/925003848812584960

    Patterico (3ba0dc)

  18. I have always been under the impression the IRS had some sort of capability to pursue those reluctant to report and disclose income as required by law. Perhaps Mueller noticed Koskinen’s lack of focus (vide Clinton “Foundation”) and is just picking up the slack.

    Rick Ballard (6a5693)

  19. Lock them up!!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  20. According to the indictment, Manafort and Gates are charged with “knowingly and intentionally [conspiring] to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offensives against the United States.”

    Emphasis mine. That’s beyond failing to disclose, isn’t it? This is not, for instance, just “forgetting” to report income on taxes.

    Tillman (a95660)

  21. That’s beyond failing to disclose, isn’t it? This is not, for instance, just “forgetting” to report income on taxes.

    Tillman. Wait for it…Trump didn’t know the gun was loaded

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  22. attempts to launder a Ukrainian oil and gas billionaire’s ill-gotten fortune through New York real estate

    I don’t quote understand how this works. The New York Post described the following as a money laundering tactic, but I don’t understand it.

    1> Buy real estate for cash (that doesn’t mean $20, $50 and $100 bills, but paying in full with a check) with a shell company as the buyer.

    2> Transfer the real estate into your own name.

    3> Take out a huge mortgage in your own name.

    What would be going on here? The three things above are what would show in public records.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  23. 24. Haha!

    Tillman (a95660)

  24. 17. Tillman (a95660) — 10/30/2017 @ 7:24 am

    Captain Chaos knew that this was coming, and when. That’s why we get all this noise about Clinton and Uranium One: he has no other defense except diversion.

    I think maybe the diversion is the other way around. The indictment is a way to divert attention from the revelation of official Democratic funding of Fusion GPS’s hiring of Christopher Steele.

    Otherwise why would someone find it necessary to leak the fact of an indictment on Friday?

    Which, now, we are told by the New York Times, didn’t even actually happen until today (although that could be just an error. We’ll see if the indictment was issued Friday or today.)

    Even if our so-called President’s charges are true, and I doubt them seriously, it would be far less important to worry about them right now. Trump is in power, Clinton is not.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  25. Many excellent links SOHO/Drake deals.

    https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/trump-soho-drake-hotel-deals-68aca92d7eef

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  26. “These are not teh facts you are looking for”

    — Obi-Wan Ketillie

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  27. Seems beyond the scope, and the effort was about lobbying for Ukraine on Eu, hence podesta and mercury get a piece of the action. But whatever.

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. Whatever is a good summary of Trump defenders.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  29. process crimes and ham sammiches

    sleazy mueller’s blown through an ungodly amount of money

    (and whatever store of personal integrity he once may have had)

    and he has nothing to show for it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Doesn’t it seem curious that the Papadopoulos guilty plea filed/sealed 10/05 stayed quiet until today’s big (un?)related Manafort/Gates news?

    crazy (d99a88)

  31. Collusion all on Obama, Hillary and the FBI but……“What difference, At this point, does it make?”

    harkin (10a18c)

  32. I can’t really tell whether Putin favored Dumb or Dumber but I’m pretty sure he was enjoying himself with both. Perhaps not as much as he did when kicking sand in Obama’s face but perhaps he was just warming up.

    Rick Ballard (6a5693)

  33. mostly this shows us how desperate Mueller is to justify his illegal witch hunt Mr. crazy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. Tillman @ 4 — all crimes in the US Code are deemed to be “against the US”, that’s why the caption on criminal cases is always “US v. _____”.

    There is nothing about “treason” in this charge.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  35. Pretty much, yet rick that intelligence ig report didn’t amount to a matter, remember, meanwhile volodya spacied all over the Obama administration, or maybe it was consensual

    narciso (364166)

  36. Tillman @ 23 — the charges involve a duty under the statute to report certain activities which occur overseas to the DOJ or DOT. By not doing so, the law considers this an interference with the ability of those departments to perform their governmental functions. The language you quote and highlight is right in the statute, and criminal charges in an indictment normally track the language of the statute. That’s why when you read a money laundering charge, the reaction is “Why is that written in such a complicated and confusing manner?” — Its done that way because that’s how the criminal activity is defined in the statute.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  37. Marcy wades into the flip

    Here’s what this does: it applies some pressure to Manafort (and serves as an object lesson to Mike Flynn, who can be charged tomorrow with the same registry related crimes). But it doesn’t yet get into the heart of the Russian influence crimes, which preserves Manafort’s ability to testify about them (that is, to flip).

    It’s unclear whether it will work. My biggest question of the day is who is paying for Manafort’s legal bills and how long they’ll be willing to continue doing so.
    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-indicted-for-laundering-50-times-as-much-through-rugs-as-through-household-labor/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  38. Oh, I can’t wait for Belljars analysis.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  39. So this was the product of the Cyndi archer treatment raid, it was outside the scope, but squirrel.

    narciso (364166)

  40. The Papadopolous statement is going to be “eye of the beholder” stuff.

    Trump partisans will see it as evidence that the campaign never colluded — look at the number of efforts various Russian officials made over the course of 4-5 months to arrange a meeting, even dangling the prospect of having Hillary’s emails, and no meeting ever came about. Trump will say that’s proof that his campaign never colluded to gather dirt on Hillary. You can’t very well expect that foreign governments would not make an effort to establish links to the campaign of one of the two major party candidates in advance of the election — its in the foreign government’s interest to do so. The key is what did the campaign do in response to the efforts. From the statements of the prosecutor in the plea document, it looks like the campaign took in the efforts, considered them, and did nothing so far as has been reported.

    Clinton’s campaign, on the other hand, now looks like it was the subject of similar efforts — the Russian’s likely ID’d Steele as a Clinton campaign counterpart to Papadopolous. Unlike the Trump campaign, which never followed through (so far as the statement says) with arrangements being proposed by Papadopolous and his Russian contacts, Steele took the bait and ran with it back to the Clinton campaign. The campaign then put the info — “dirt” on Trump — into the media.

    One side too the Russians up on their offer, and the other didn’t act — twice if you consider Trump Jr and the others walking away from the female Russian lawyer’s offer to be an episode of declining a Russian offer of dirt on Clinton.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  41. “Unlike the Trump campaign, which never followed through (so far as the statement says) with arrangements being proposed by Papadopolous and his Russian contacts, Steele took the bait and ran with it back to the Clinton campaign. The campaign then put the info — “dirt” on Trump — into the media”.

    Didn’t Steele only create the dossier after the Hillary campaign and the DNC started supplying cash, all while steadfastly denying doing so?

    Also, weren’t they (and their shills in the media) howling “Trump/Russia Collusion” while having no proof but also while knowing they themselves were doing the colluding with Russians?

    harkin (70fe68)

  42. SWC, but if Papadopolous lied to the FBI about this, it makes it much more difficult to say that there’s nothing there with a straight face.

    Tillman (a95660)

  43. yet another very good reason to never get an account on zuckertwat’s facebook

    Papadopoulos also shut down a Facebook account following a second interview in February. The account included communications with foreigners including Russian nationals – thereby obstructing the FBI’s investigation.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. For Manafort to be in a position to hurt Trump with regard to allegations of “Russia collusion”, there is first going to have to be some evidence of “Russia collusion.”

    As SUSAN COLLINS — not Trump fan — said yesterday on Face The Nation, she still hasn’t seen any evidence of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign in the various Senate investigations she is a part of.

    Feinstein has said the same thing a couple times.

    The existence of such “collusion” has been a fixture of the unhinged anti-Trump partisans of the Dem. party, but beyond this belief in a Russian Unicorn, nobody has put forward actual evidence of such collusion.

    Did the Russians want to? Sure, it looks like they were trying to play both sides of the election with offers/information that would help.

    Did either campaign KNOWINGLY bite — nothing says the Trump campaign bit. But its completely within the realm of possibility that the Russians used Steele to give the Clinton campaign “dirt” on Trump the same way they offered the Trump campaign “dirt” on Clinton.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  45. Follow the money.

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  46. 46 — Papadopolous lied about the timing of his interactions with the Russians and when it started.

    And you have to look at the timing of his interviews with the FBI — back in Jan and Feb, 2007. The Trump-Russian hysteria in the media, which we now know was being engineered by the Clinton campaign, was in full-roar. I don’t think its too surprising that Papadopolous, when the FBI came knocking, began by shading the truth about the nature and circumstances of the Russian approach to him, and minimizing his conduct in response. On a 1-10 scale, I’d say his “crimes” in lying to the FBI given what he told them was about a 2.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  47. Not surprising meanwhile 145 million dollars in inducements are ok.

    narciso (9b1eec)

  48. Papadopolous got caught in a Martha Stewart perjury trap.

    He should have had a lawyer with him when interviewed.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  49. FBI Interview Catches Hillary Clinton In Multiple Lies

    the sleazy corrupt FBI to which herr mueller is still loyal is very very selective about being lied to

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. Here’s the lowdown on the low down:

    ‘We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.’

    So it’s obvious: Team Trump knew this was wrong.

    Tillman (a95660)

  51. 54 — no it wasn’t wrong. But it wasn’t something that needed to be done by Trump at that point in time. Its what the Russians wanted, but it wasn’t anything Trump needed.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  52. Manafort is the GOAT of what is known in hip-hop circles as the Weed Carrier.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  53. Bad link, narciso.

    Did that include something about Statute on federal crimes ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  54. Maybe This ?

    On Sept. 19, 2017, CNN reported that U.S. investigators conducted electronic surveillance on Manafort both before and after the election under a FISA court warrant.
    The CNN article cites only unnamed sources, strongly suggesting the leak was based on an illegal leak to the press that could end up being traced back to the FBI, to Mueller’s Special Counselor office, or to both.

    Under the “fruit of the poison tree doctrine” established by the Supreme Court in Fourth Amendment illegal search and seizure cases, the FBI and/or Mueller may have compromised their entire investigation of Paul Manafort by either using the fraudulent “Russia dossier” paid for in part by the FBI, or by illegally leaking information derived from the FISA-authorized electronic surveillance to CNN and other mainstream media publications known to be partisan “Never Trump” mouthpieces.

    Hmmm ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  55. “And you have to look at the timing of his interviews with the FBI — back in Jan and Feb, 2007”

    It only seems like it has been that long…

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  56. Re: 59… this is supposed to be when Beldar joins to advise us that that site is not a legal-related site.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  57. Fruit of the poisoned tree? Maybe. Only maybe. Not if the court finds that it was inevitable the evidence would have been discovered anyway.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. “Fruit of the Poisoned Tree”… starring Kevin Spacey, a Miramax production

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  59. Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 10/30/2017 @ 10:10 am

    You have something there, Colonel.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  60. Yes that’s the one, must have been a loose string.

    narciso (9b1eec)

  61. Trump should appoint a special prosecutor to look at the FBI’s investigation of Hillary Clinton, to see if a conspiracy existed to obstruct justice.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  62. Manafort would seem pretty useless even if he flips on Trump since he is such an obvious weasel. But again, Trump and his good-for-nothing AG are beyond stupid not to go after Hillary for bribery.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  63. Papadopolous got caught in a Martha Stewart perjury trap.

    It’s not under oath, so it isn’t perjury. While I know our host disagrees for professional reasons, I have always thought “lying to the coppers” was a basic human right protected under the vast penumbrae of the 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th Amendments. Some day the courts will agree.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  64. So Manafort gets millions of dollars from Russia but the Russians don’t get much – if anything – in return.

    Hillary Clinton gets well over $100,000,000.00, the Russians get control of 20% of our uranium supply, and she and the DNC funded collusion with Russia and themselves colluded in that Russkie collusion, as well and Manafort gets indicted.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  65. Meanwhile:

    A federal judge in Washington blocked the Trump administration Monday from enforcing parts of its transgender military ban.

    Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly held that the plaintiffs “have established that they will be injured by these directives, due both to the inherent inequality they impose, and the risk of discharge and denial of accession that they engender. ”

    She blocked provisions having to do with accession and retention directives — meaning directives concerning joining and retaining military personnel.

    The government had argued that the lawsuit was premature and moved to dismiss the case because the policy is still subject to review.

    Basically, Trump countermanded an order given by Obama and a court has decided that they are really Commander-in-Chief.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  66. Hillary Clinton gets well over $100,000,000.00

    Also, she lies her ass off to the FBI and gets away with it, while some poor slob is caught shading the truth and gets hammered.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  67. Hillary Clinton gets well over $100,000,000.00

    One hell of an “emolument”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  68. I have always thought “lying to the coppers” was a basic human right

    lying to the sleazy witch-hunting bottom feeders at the corrupt fbi and doj should be ok for sure

    they’re basically a bunch of criminal goose-stepping fascists

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. Ohmigosh! Don’t lawyers know how to prep their clients for when they’re cross-examined on what they said to the police, anymore?
    “I just answered their questions the best way I could, sir.”
    “I don’t know, sir.”
    “I don’t remember anything like that, sir.”
    “I didn’t take any notes, sir.”
    “I just answered their questions, sir.”
    “I just answered their questions, sir.”
    “I just answered their questions, sir.”

    nk (dbc370)

  70. Trump’s “blind spot” for Manafort seems to be the same “blind spot” that’s been recognized about him for a long time — he’s impressed by the trappings of wealth that others exhibit. So Manafort has expensive residences in NYC, Florida, and the Hamptons. Trump sees that as evidence of “success”, and as a result it elevates Manafort in his mind.

    Manafort has been around GOP policitics for a long long time. But the indictment shows pretty clearly that Manafort’s wealth was “engineered”, not earned.

    So I fault Trump for this clear flaw in his judgment — that he views signs of “success” in the business world as a basis to come to conclusion that the person is worth having as part of his organization/campaign.

    But, the nature of the indictment also leads me back to the suspicion that the timing is intended to take pressure off Mueller that is coming from the sudden reemergence of the Uranium One issue, the role of Rosenstein and Weinstein in the Rosatom/Mikerin prosecution, that Mueller was running the FBI at the time, and also the report coming out in the days ahead showing what Mueller’s investigation has cost in the first 6 months.

    There is NO REASON why this case could not have been handed off to the DOJ Fraud section for prosecution. No one in the case is a government official. There is no apparent conflict between Manafort or Gates and the DOJ. Why fund a special prosecutor to do a case that could be done in the regular course of business?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  71. Seems to be an american hustle wrap up, wwber and podesta.

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. Re-posted w edit to hopefully avoid moderation:

    48 – As SUSAN COLLINS — not Trump fan — said yesterday on Face The Nation, she still hasn’t seen any evidence of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign in the various Senate investigations she is a part of.

    Collins better watch out. Inspector Clouseau errrr Chelsea Handler is on the case:

    Chelsea Handler
    @chelseahandler

    @SenSusanCollins. U can’t stand by & support this evil agenda & this uranium bull**** story. R U 4 sale too.?

    harkin (d06bb0)

  73. I’ve never heard of Papadopolous (or Rapp) before today.

    Also, Mueller is a supposed Republican and he uses a word like “lavish”. That’s a straight up out of the Dem’s Dictionary.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  74. He got that minor credit like the newscaster in the python election sketch

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. 68 — the problem with your analysis Kevin is that you have the right under the 5th Amendment to remain silent. You have the right under the 4th Amendment to not be “seized” so there is a question of whether the questioning was custodial or non-custodial, and the 9th and 10th Amendments have never applied to individual rights in the context of criminal procedure.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  76. 12. Kramer: You don’t like the Drake?

    Jerry: I hate the Drake!

    14 nk

    So Manafort colluded with the GOP.? On par with DWS let’s see how her charges stack up.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  77. 79. Attorneys have big vocabularies P&P. They have been to [clouds cover, lightning strikes, and the wind howls] an evil college.

    Tillman (a95660)

  78. Chelsea Handler
    @chelseahandler

    @SenSusanCollins. U can’t stand by & support this evil agenda & this uranium bull**** story. R U 4 sale too.? </blockquote So there's nothing to see here with this uranium story, [Look: where's the quo? How could Hillary approve the sale of uranium by herself?] but we should all be deeply suspicious of the Puerto Rican electricity contract given to Whitefish Energy,even though nobody can see any way strings were pulled?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. @20 Rick Ballard

    There’s about 200k Waffle House waitresses and bartenders living lavish lifestyles out there but don worry, Mueller is on the job.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  80. Bad formatting.

    I think Whitefish Energy is telling the truth. They looked things up on linked in. They at least thought they were given the contract becase they were willing to accept very little cash in advance.

    PREPA says they were counting on the Army Corps of Engineers to do all the work – that way they would not have to spend any money. (that way also nothing woud get done for months)

    Q. OK, but why make an exception for Whitefish Energy (which by all accounts is doing a good job. The Clintons did nothing that meant anyting for the money from Russia.)

    A. Probably because they were looking for some connection to the Trump Administration to avoid being removed from their positions. Which they probably should be.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/from-montana-to-puerto-rico-a-small-firm-strikes-a-powerful-deal.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/us/whitefish-cancel-puerto-rico.html

    Governor Rosselló said he was led to believe that the Corps would restore power throughout the island within 40 days, but that it has just seven engineering crews on the island.

    I wonder who told him that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  81. 52.
    From someone at my music forum

    Some of the language attributed to Mr Papadopoulos appears very loose and sloppy. I wonder if he had an attorney with him at the time(s) of questioning? If not, a very important lesson to be learned is that one should always have an attorney present when being questioned by the FBI. If he did have an attorney, the lesson is that one ought not to shop for a low cost provider in such circumstances.

    kishnevi (682c47)

  82. @25 Sammy

    It helps to know a guy with a bank or savings and loan like Jim McDougal or Maxine Waters’ husband. Or you pull a Dan Rostenkowski and live a lavish lifestyle for as long as you can get away with it.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  83. 67. Kevin M (752a26) — 10/30/2017 @ 10:36 am

    . But again, Trump and his good-for-nothing AG are beyond stupid not to go after Hillary for bribery.

    We’re being told it’s a violation of informal rules for a president to do anything to start an investigation. Trump was being accused of being behind the efforts to get the gag order lifted.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/kellyanne-conway-donald-trump-cnntv/index.html

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  84. If you transfer the title of a property from a corporation to a person it seems like you would run into a gift tax or capital gains. Can the corporation consign?

    When I had a short sale in 2009 I think we still got hit with imputed taxes as if we were gifted for losing money.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  85. the government of puerto rico is astoundingly incompetent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. @31 narciso

    Ukraine is weak!

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  87. Hillary Clinton gets well over $100,000,000.00

    The question no one seems to be asking is, whom did the Russians pay off besides Hillary? She was only one of the decision makers, and she had nothing to do with the DOJ keeping everyone in the dark about that investigation. (In fact, odds are she had no knowledge of it. Did anyone have a reason to tell her about it?) The locus of mendacity with the Uranium One deal lies with Obama’s White House and Holder’s DOJ, not Hillary’s Foggy Bottom.

    There’s also the question of what services FusionGPS did for the DNC. Creating the dossier may not have been the only service supplied.

    kishnevi (682c47)

  88. She needs to change her name to Chelsea Handled… she’s pwned on a daily basis now.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  89. When I had a short sale in 2009 I think we still got hit with imputed taxes as if we were gifted for losing money.

    In a sense, you were. A very legal sense, of course. But in writing off the money they didn’t collect, the mortgage company gave you a retroactive gift.

    kishnevi (682c47)

  90. Mike K

    Manafort had some privileged dicuments. seized in the raid on his lavish Alexandria pad. Not like white privileged. Attorney client privileged.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  91. Tillman

    If I had to talk like that all day I’d start a blog too.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  92. Somebody buy Mueller’s Musings stat.

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  93. Mr. Manafort says he’s innocent so sleazy bobby mueller’s lil jihad could be over before it even begins

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  94. The lovely and talented Popehat wrote an explainer on the Papadopoulos guilty plea:

    https://www.popehat.com/2017/10/30/lawsplainer-the-george-papadopoulos-guilty-plea/

    What can we glean from the fact that the Court kept the case under seal?

    Papadopoulos’ cooperation is central to his plea. The plea agreement provides that the government will bring his cooperation to the Court’s attention at sentencing and that sentencing will be delayed until his cooperation is complete. It is possible, though not certain, that the Special Counsel used Papadopoulos for “active” cooperation — for instance, by making recorded calls to targets of the investigation, engaging in monitored email exchanges with targets, or even wearing a wire during meetings with targets. Keeping the entire proceeding under seal for a month after his plea is consistent with such cooperation. However, that level of cooperation isn’t certain: it could be that they considered using him for such activities but didn’t, or that they wanted to keep the nature and direction of the investigation secret until now. But it’s clear that they contemplate using him against other targets of the investigation one way or another.

    So what did he do, anyway?

    According to the affidavit in support of the complaint and the factual statement he accepted, Papadopoulos lied to FBI agents during a January 27, 2017 meeting (note that’s before the appointment of the special prosecutor) about his interactions with Russian nationals in connection with his role in the Trump campaign. Specifically, he lied about the nature and extent of his contacts with Russians during the campaign. He told the FBI that Russians offered “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails” before he joined the Trump campaign, when it was actually after, and characterized conversations with Russians as minor in consequential when they were actually extensive. In addition, after a second interview with the FBI in February 2017, Papadopoulos deleted a Facebook account which contained some of his communications with the Russian nationals, and created a new one. The FBI was nonplussed.

    So did he actually obstruct justice or interfere with the investigation through his lies?

    Almost certainly not. The complaint shows that the FBI used a search warrant to get emails that contradicted Papadopoulos. The timeline isn’t explicit, but it’s possible — in fact, probable — that they had the emails or other evidence before they even interviewed him, and knew he was lying at the time. To convict on a Section 1001 charge for lying to the government, the government doesn’t have to prove that you successfully lied or that the lie delayed or impeded them. They only have to prove that the lie was on a subject of the sort that could be relevant to the investigation. That’s why interviewing subjects and targets hoping they will lie to you and thus make a case for you is a common tactic in federal investigations.

    If Papadopoulos had shut up and refused to talk to the FBI — the smart thing to do — he almost certainly would not be charged with anything yet, and could have escaped any charges ever. He had to plead to a federal felony because he talked to the FBI and lied, and then foolishly tried to destroy evidence. That is a feature, not a bug, of federal investigations.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  95. Kishnevi

    Not a single lawyer amongst his 38 first cousins?

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  96. Presumably one of them was the low cost provider.

    kishnevi (682c47)

  97. kishnevi

    You have to take taxes into account when you apply for the loan you are walking away from.

    I wonder what Susan McDougal makes of old Joe Arpaio?

    Pinandpuller (8e8fd9)

  98. The Manafort Indictment: Not Much There says Andy McCarthy.

    crazy (d99a88)

  99. Crazy: there’s *nothing* in the Manafort indictment which reflects on the campaign directly, other than Trump having poor judgment in who he hires. Absolutely agreed.

    But Manafort’s *going* to go to jail; if they’re bringing this indictment, they’re going to have the financial documents to back it up.

    That said, the real bombshell of the day is the Papadopoulos plea deal.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  100. From McCarthy’s article:

    Even from Paul Manafort’s perspective, there may be less to this indictment than meets the eye — it’s not so much a serious allegation of “conspiracy against the United States” as a dubious case of disclosure violations and money movement that would never have been brought had he not drawn attention to himself by temporarily joining the Trump campaign. From President Trump’s perspective, the indictment is a boon from which he can claim that the special counsel has no actionable collusion case. It appears to reaffirm former FBI director James Comey’s multiple assurances that Trump is not a suspect. And, to the extent it looks like an attempt to play prosecutorial hardball with Manafort, the president can continue to portray himself as the victim of a witch hunt.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  101. Why sit on that bombshell for 25 days?

    crazy (d99a88)

  102. =clang-clang= =clang-clang= Captain, sir! Iceberg right ahead!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. 105… more like an M80…

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  104. “He had to plead to a federal felony because he talked to the FBI and lied, and then foolishly tried to destroy evidence. That is a feature, not a bug, of federal investigations.“

    Yes, that’s how they brought Ma Clinton to justice for destroying the private server and the email fiasco!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  105. Maybe Papapoupalos can plead that he was “triggered” — probably by an on-line anti-Muslim video?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  106. Popehat:

    Specifically, he lied about the nature and extent of his contacts with Russians during the campaign. He told the FBI that Russians offered “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails” before he joined the Trump campaign, when it was actually after,

    No it was actually not true at all. We’re talking about the deleted Hillary Clitnon e-mails, not the DNC e-mails turned over to Wikileaks.

    and characterized conversations with Russians as minor in consequential when they were actually extensive.

    All this goes to Russian penetration of the Trump campaign. Not collusion by Trump with Russia.

    Papadopoulos was quick to plead guilty before the FBI knew more, and his information is about Russia, and really not about Trump.

    and In addition, after a second interview with the FBI in February 2017, Papadopoulos deleted a Facebook account which contained some of his communications with the Russian nationals, and created a new one. The FBI was nonplussed.

    The affidavit isn’t too clear, but it sounds like an attempt to mislead the FBI by deleting his old Facebook account and then re-creating it, minus the conversations with foreign intelligence agents.

    And you want to know something really interesting?

    The FBI taped its January 27, 2017 interview with Papadopoulos

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  107. Arrested July 27, pleads guilty October 5 in between Did George Papadopoulos wear a wire for Mueller? If so, it doesn’t appear to have born much fruit… at least not yet.

    crazy (d99a88)

  108. Yeah, its crazy

    So that’s why Mueller wanted to keep Papadopoulos’s arrest a secret. Papadopoulos may have been secretly working for the feds for the past three months, since his arrest, to gather evidence on suspects in related Russiagate matters in hopes of leniency. He was a perfect guy to try to recruit for that — young, in over his head, outside the Trump inner circle and therefore owing little loyalty to the administration. Mueller may have scared him senseless with threats of a long prison sentence for lying to the FBI and the promise of much reduced charges if he played ball. Possibly he enlisted Papadopoulos to reach out to some of the major players in Russiagate and get them on record confessing to … what, exactly? The problem with using Papadopoulos is that presumably he wasn’t a big enough cheese to make a guy like Manafort comfortable with discussing campaign secrets with him in the course of a “normal” conversation between them. He was a low-level guy.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  109. In Watergate Woofers in aimed too high and missed leaving air above the fray. Papa is the CI from the basement.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  110. Teh Democrats and their Operatives with bylines were expecting a pony for their birthday party and they got goldfish instead:

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  111. @116. The question in this Watergate rhyme is which one’s gonna do the James McCord, do the flip, make a big splash and a lot of waves.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. Talking goldfish, I might add.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. Podesta is clearing his calendar and putting his affairs in order in anticipation of an extended “vacation”.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  114. Send Papapoupalos to Pervywood, plenty of fruit there…

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  115. Lets keep in mind that Popodopolous is 12 years removed from high school graduation.

    He was an “advisor” to Ben Carson’s campaign until Jan 2016, and then was folded into Trump’s campaign when Carson’s campaign ceased to exist.

    Remember that the GOP foreign policy establishment was among the most pronounced contingent of signees on the “Never Trump” manifesto, and nearly all refused to have anything to do with Trump the candidate until after he had sown up the nomination.

    So lets not elevate young Mr. Popodopolous to “Henry Kissinger” status just yet.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  116. McCarthy’s column is very interesting. I’m not that familiar with the reporting statutes that have been charged, but I’m VERY FAMILIAR with the money laundering conspiracy count that has been charged. I don’t have a lot of time right not to go back through the allegations of the indictment, but I agree with McCarthy that on its face there might very well be a problem showing that the money moved from the foreign back accounts to the US Bank accounts was already, prior to the movement, the “proceeds of a specified unlawful activity.”

    As McCarthy points out, taking cash for political consulting might be sleazy and morally corrupt, but there isn’t any crime defined in the federal statutes for doing so. So if its “clean” money in the accounts, and he then moves that clean money into the US through a series of nominee banking transactions, there might very well be a problem with proving the money is the proceeds of an SUA, as required under the money laundering statute.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  117. Before, the last election, our sh*tting President funneled nearly $1,000,000.00 to Fusion GPS through a law firm… http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  118. But unlike Trump, Sessions’s claims about such meetings came in sworn testimony to the Senate. During his confirmation process, Sessions was asked a key question by Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn: “If there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?”

    “Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities,” Sessions responded. “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

    The question, however, was about Sessions’s knowledge of such communications, and we now know he was in a meeting in which they were discussed.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/10/30/jeff-sessions-indictment-bad-news-for-attorney-general/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  119. @125 Popehat again, via twitter:

    Mueller got a judge to find a waiver of Manafort’s attorney-client privilege under the crime-fraud exception https://t.co/LVhKZxfG9L

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  120. Forgot the twitter link: https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/925103358817349633

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  121. It all comes down to money. So this is just more proof that money ruins politicians. They go corrupt, pure and simple. ‘Just can’t help themselves.

    Tillman (a95660)

  122. Maybe this is why they really went after him:
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.819951

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. @122. =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    Allenwood, PA ain’t too far a drive, chip and putt from Bedminister, NJ, either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. You could go so far as to say It’s just human nature but that would skunkspray all the decent folk who live by a creed they surmised was their nature.

    How much better can you eat? was the rhetorical question we all hoped would make people think but that was 40 years ago and instead they chose to use that opportunity and double down on the
    avarice. Many, but not all share the burden of human greed.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  125. What difference does it make:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/watchful1?p=s

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. The question in this Watergate rhyme is which one’s gonna do the James McCord, do the flip, make a big splash and a lot of waves.

    Tony Podesta.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  127. Steve Reilly on Twitter notes:

    U.S. District Court for D.C. has four sealed cases in its docket with case numbers between Papadopoulos’ (182) and Manafort’s (201).

    Wonder who they are…

    crazy (d99a88)

  128. Releasing the Papadopolous plea deal was a remarkably deft play by Mueller, whose political savvy is mysteriously under-discussed. The initial White House reaction to the news about Paul Manafort was that everything happened years ago, and what the hell is Mueller doing? Now, we have a completed legal proceeding containing the words “Trump campaign,” “Russia,” and “disparaging information on Hillary Clinton.” Alibis are dropping like the autumn leaves

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a13118817/papadopoulos-pled-guilty-lie-fbi-russia/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  129. Obviously Trump Jr, Eric, Jared, and Ivanka.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  130. Esquire… What’s next, GQ?… Boy’s Life!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. Its the fellow who thought Mary Jo kopechne would be grateful for her bout in the oldsmobile.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. Popehat’s Lawsplainers on the Papadopoulos guilty plea and the Manafort/Gates Indictment are up.

    crazy (d99a88)

  133. What’s your problem now haikookoo?

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/the-open-secrets-of-the-russia-story?utm_term=.acqrrg3N2#.qfzjjBYXV

    Truly, Trump is full of reckless disregard and has no common cents.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. This fellow has a bone to pick with the hacks…

    “Let’s understand what “loyalty” is and isn’t when it comes to our elected officials. Loyalty is not a requirement for slavish agreement or utter acquiescence – those who either don’t want to be loyal or wish to excuse it in their favored pols will often try to tell you that’s what we normals expect in order to evade the real issue. But that claim is baloney – used baloney after having been eaten by a male cow. Debate and argument are vital. Criticize Trump’s actions if you feel they deserve criticism; criticize the man if you think he falls short. Ted Cruz does, and we dig him. But you need to be loyal to the people who sent you to Washington. We’re not going to tolerate you taking sides with people who hate us.

    What is inexcusable are alleged Republicans going onto liberal media outlets to trash the base by sanctimoniously adopting lying liberal narratives about us and then basking in the loving liberal limelight their new liberal buddies temporarily bestow upon them. McCain pioneered that move, though he’s kind of the Sideshow Bob of maverickry – he’ll go through a period of liberal love then do something remotely conservative, like run for president, and his lib lovers will turn on him and he’ll stand there with hurt feelz and a rake mark on his sad face wondering, “What happened to all my new friends?”

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/10/30/its-not-too-much-to-ask-that-our-gop-hacks-show-some-loyalty-to-their-voters-n2402103

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  135. My fundamental question here – aside from appearances and holding noses, if a candidate – Repub or Dem – receives or seeks information about an an opponent that isn’t under some legal restriction, what is the actual crime? It is a reportable event for news reporters. But for example, even if Papadopolous was acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, how is this anything other than opposition research that has to be undertaken globally because the information is everywhere? Note that at HuffPo the mantra now is “never mind that the Dems paid for the dossier – are its allegations true?”. And to a certain extent the argument has merit – where is the illegality of merely funding opposition research that seeks facts from others, regardless of their source?

    Lazlo Toth (0699ca)

  136. Heh… buzzfeed’s “men” are effeminate, to say the least. Even the guy who placed the highest in this Low-T posse scored lower than the 85 to 100 year old male cohort, lol…

    http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/t_levels.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  137. Ben Smith chose to keep his levels close to his moobs…

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/22906/buzzfeed-guys-test-their-testosterone-levels-amanda-prestigiacomo

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  138. they smoke gobs of weed i bet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. Ben Smith, who had a a minimizing procedure named after him, should stop digging.

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. Hey, beenburned… without testosterone, how do you Marxists intend to seize the means of reproduction?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. Being outwardly masculine is important to you haikoo?

    Your self-image is closely tied to real man stuff, eh?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  142. Has that mental state elicited some ED?

    There are resolutions to that infirmity and it would greatly enhance your confidence which seems somewhat weakened.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  143. Lol, beenburned. Don’t fret, I’m sure they can counteract your estrogen levels, they’ve had twenty five years of research to help teh low-T Left…

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  144. I saw what you did there, Colonel. Too bad your clever replacement of “means of production” with “means of reproduction” gets lost on the comrades with zero sense of humor.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  145. Why did Mueller and Comey wait until 2017 to shut down the Manafort/Gates-Podesta Group decade long unregistered FARA/money laundering operation?

    crazy (d99a88)


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    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  147. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/30/2017 @ 4:38 pm

    Answer: With their left hands, of course. carpe Priapus!

    felipe (023cc9)

  148. Things are grim over there, Hoagie. We have fun and make wisecracks while they try to synchronize their periods to help promote comradery.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  149. “Its the fellow who thought Mary Jo kopechne would be grateful for her bout in the Oldsmobile”

    They really have no shame:

    “Mary Jo wasn’t a right-wing talking point or a negative campaign slogan. She was a dedicated civil rights activist and political talent with a bright future….We don’t know how much Kennedy was affected by her death, or what she’d have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history. What we don’t know, as always, could fill a Metrodome.

    Still, ignorance doesn’t preclude a right to wonder. So it doesn’t automatically make someone (aka, me) a Limbaugh-loving, aerial-wolf-hunting NRA troll for asking what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted’s death, and what she’d have thought of the life and career that are being (rightfully) heralded.

    Who knows – maybe she’d feel it was worth it.

    Huffington Post – Aug 27 2009

    harkin (d06bb0)

  150. More like carpe nihil, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  151. Felipe Le Pew!!

    How’s it hanging?

    Your one-liners are good enough for Church.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  152. Will Trumps co- conspirators drink the Polonium kool aid? One domino falling is all that’s needed.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/the-open-secrets-of-the-russia-story?utm_term=.acqrrg3N2#.qfzjjBYXV

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  153. Mifsud of Malta..connections.

    Remember when Trump elbowed the Maltese PM?

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/25/trump-shove-prime-minister-montenegro-nato-orig-vstop-dlewis.cnn

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  154. It is, isn’t it narciso. Bush, Obama, Mueller, Comey, and multiple AG’s all asleep at the switch or not worried about it as long as it was “all in the family.” In 5 months Mueller’s found out more about this alleged fraudulent activity than he did in the last 7 of his 12 years as FBI Director. It’s not like there weren’t ever any questions about lobbyists, foreign money and campaigns during the last two administrations. Let the chips fall where they may.

    crazy (d99a88)

  155. @144. Ben, see 141: he’s stunned hiz readin’ list makes him a Spacey-Man which gives a whole new meaning to the term: ‘hard dock.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. Because. Obama was certainly in the banyans with medvedev, most others were with kislyak, whatever was the correspondent bank with HSBC etc,, sadden arps certainly collaborated through cliff Sloan and Greg Craig.

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. Ben Burn at 167: wait, what?

    You said:

    > Remember when Trump elbowed the Maltese PM?

    The link you provided after that says:

    > President Trump appeared to move aside the Prime Minister of Montenegro while at a NATO summit in Brussels, Belgium.

    Why are you conflating Montenegro and Malta?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  158. Enjoyed Carlson asking a California Democrat – that young dipsh*t from Marin County – to look 👀 into the camera and ask every member of Congress who has met with a foreign lobbyist to admit same on the record.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  159. Surely there’s a difference between meeting with a foreign lobbyist and hiring an unregistered foreign lobbyist to run your campaign.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  160. Tell that story about your mother being danced around by that inebriated Mr. Bean again, ASPCA. 16th time’s the charm.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. @174. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!= =yawn= Atkinson was 13 years old in 1968; more Spacey’s range, unless you be fielding balls in that park, too. Your ‘Boy’s Life‘ come in a plain brown wrapper like his? Big game tomorrow, Colon-elle, plenty of pitchin’ and catchin’ in LA– but you’ll be playin’ the field ’round Hershey Park, won’tcha.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  162. It’s a wonder Papadopoulos didn’t accidentally shoot himself twice in the back on the way back from a bar at 4 AM.

    But he did work for Trump not Clinton, and guys like that know how to handle guns and stay away from railroad tracks.

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  163. So what’s the difference between the Dubai Ports Deal and Uranium One?

    I mean, besides bipartisanship tanking one and covering up the other.

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  164. Why sit on that bombshell for 25 days?
    crazy (d99a88) — 10/30/2017 @ 12:58 pm

    It takes about 28 days to hatch a chicken egg.

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  165. Obviously Trump Jr, Eric, Jared, and Ivanka.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 10/30/2017 @ 4:13 pm

    I’m sure Mueller’s got some guys on call to go in like they’re snatching Elian Gonzalas.

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  166. a very important lesson to be learned is that one should always have an attorney present when being questioned by the FBI.

    Martha Stewart could have told him that.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  167. Being outwardly masculine is important to you haikoo?

    Your self-image is closely tied to real man stuff, eh?
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/30/2017 @ 4:40 pm

    Your nads still ain’t dropped yet? You do know there’s estrogen in soy, right?

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  168. @158 Rev Hoagie

    If you buy your wife that .38 don’t forget to update your chart.

    Pinandpuller (7c17d6)

  169. About three weeks ago, reported the CBS Evening News, George Papadopoulos, who had not been taking calls from reporters (I’m not sure of the relevance of that to the next fact. And why were they calling him, and who was?) about three weeks ago as I said, Papadoupolous began asking about publishers on social media (was he silent before?) and about one week ago, about speaker’s bureaus.

    Three weeks ago was right after he pled guilty (or the next week).

    It seems like he has no great fear of going to jail now, or at least thinks he’ll have plenty of time before, or after. He won’t be sentenced till Mueller’s investigation is all over.

    I suppose he might have done this at the suggestion of his attorney, as a way in which to make enough money to pay him. Attorneys for celebrities, or people who might become celebrities, sometimes count on that. But I would think the attorney, if he knows what he’s doing, would know about literary agents, but who knows?

    I don’t think Mueller would want him to write a book and speak for quite some time, but maybe Papadopoulos is looking for an advance. Or just trying to learn how much he could expect to make, and maybe whom he should approach when the time comes..

    Rick Gates, by the way, was given $5 million bail, and Paul Manafort $10 million. Both posted it.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  170. 183, and also cover the oxygen tanks, lest Sheriff Brody is an inspiration.

    urbanleftbehind (35f328)

  171. In the meantime, the House Intelligence Committee settled their lawsuit with Fusion GPS, and he agreement is. Fusion GPS did not have to reveal any other clients.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  172. 47.

    Papadopoulos also shut down a Facebook account following a second interview in February. The account included communications with foreigners including Russian nationals – thereby obstructing the FBI’s investigation.

    He didn’t just shut it down. It sounds like he might have recreated it but omitted the Russian contacts that he had denied. The affidavit is not all that clear about it.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  173. TPM is saying:

    In August, the Washington Post published the same email mentioned in the court document: “the high-ranking Campaign official” is Paul Manafort, according to the Post’s report, and “another campaign official” is his longtime deputy and business partner, Rick Gates.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-manafort-clovis-papadopoulos-court-documents

    That would explain why the Papadopoulos story was revealed on this same day. It’s a stark warning to Manafort and Gates. This was also kept secret. So Mueller is saying, “I’ve got the goods on you, and you don’t even know who or what all I have on you.”

    Tillman (a95660)

  174. Now that crooked deals with Russia are fair game, maybe the walls are closing in on Hillary?

    AZ Bob (f60c80)

  175. AZ Bob, don’t worry about trying to impeach Hillary. But it looks like Tony Podesta might have been in a little too tight with Manafort.

    I don’t care who all gets caught up in this, Republican or Democrat, they all need to be exposed and get out of our government.

    Tillman (a95660)

  176. Podesta lobbied for uranium one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  177. Papapoupolos must be one heck of an unpaid, 30 year old foreign policy advisor!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. narciso, you know what country makes the most uranium? It’s not the US, by far, it’s Kazakhstan, right to the south of Russia. Also, Russia can not move any uranium from the US to anywhere else. It’s illegal.

    When you hear about nuclear bombs, such as in Iran, the fear is not that they’ll get their hands on uranium, but that they’ll be able to enrich uranium. Remember the story about Iran’s computer virus that destroyed some of their centrifuges, Stuxnet? We couldn’t stop Iran from getting uranium, but we could try to keep them from enriching it.
    I’m not claiming we should be careless with uranium, but it is available elsewhere anyway.

    Kazakhstan: 23,800 tonnes
    United States: 1,256 tonnes (9th on the list of the highest producers)

    Tillman (a95660)

  179. I pointed out the real reason he a targeted , he was a friend of the Israeli settlsrs

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. About 11% of the uranium delivered to U.S. reactors in 2016 was produced in the United States and 89% came from other countries.

    https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=nuclear_where

    Uranium One represented 20% of U.S. production, so about 2.2% of U.S consumption. Imports from Russia were 14% of U.S. consumption.

    Explain to me why Uranium One matters.

    Davethulhu (6a4a84)

  181. this fascist mueller witch hunt can be laid directly at the feet of weaksuck Jeffy Sessions and his appalling moral cowardice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. lost in all this is what Mr. Manafort may have done what was even wrong

    lying to a bunch of filthy impertinent FBI trash isn’t exactly a cardinal sin what can be said to damage society in any meaningful way

    and the tax issue should be between him and the IRS

    when did we decide we need a bunch of corrupt FBI poofters goose-stepping around collecting taxes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. Is the pedestal group a or b? tony/ john next!

    jailhouse rock (7b0ec5)

  184. Sessions recusal and Trump firing Comey are two stupid moves that have contributed to this mess. If I were Trump at this point – Fire Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein, McCabe and everyone Mueller has hired. Then Trump and his Obama crew can step aside and let the silent majority take over. Congress vs. The Silent Majority. I’ll ride with a P O Silent Majority. Go ahead start impeachment.

    mg (31009b)

  185. $145,000,000.000 to the “Clinton Foundation”. How much of that actually goes to charitable work? Less than 5%.

    This has always been a slush fund that keeps Clinton cronies solvent during times they’ve been moved away from the trough.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  186. Mueller and this entire exercise stink on ice.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  187. whatever the answer is Mr. crazy our boy Mueller’s a long long way from regaining any kind of reputation for integrity he may have once enjoyed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. Davethulhu (6a4a84) — 10/30/2017 @ 11:05 pm

    Explain to me why Uranium One matters.

    Legally, maybe the basis for this is to ensure the U.S.,> has its own supply of uranium for reactors and maybe nuclear bombs, except that may be completely irrelevant and unnecessary since new nuclear bombs aren’t being built any more, and the U.S. anyway has multiple sources to import uranium from, and this sale would not affect anything.

    The catch here may be like this:

    This board still needed to approve it. You know, like the Keystone pipeline.

    Now it could be that there would have been no reason to expect approval for the sale NOT to go through.

    But Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in a position to block it!

    Like the Keystone pipeline.

    Maybe they had to pay her off to ensure that she would do nothing.

    Also, maybe it wasn’t that routine, but they needed the right kind of legal and lobbying advice, which Hillary was in a position to give,

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  189. 205. What we see here is not collusion with Russia, and it is also not engagement with Russia.

    It’s attempted penetration of the Trump campaign by Russian intelligence, and agents of influence, chiefly in an effort to get Donald Trump to take foreign policy (and some domestic) policy positions that Russia wanted Trump to take. Which somewhat succeeded. Especially with regard to Syria and, to a lesser extent, Ukraine.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  190. but it turns out Russia’s the most evil thing in the whole whirl (even the sleazy corrupt FBI twatwaffles are very very concerned about Russia) so why did stinkypig want them to have all our uraniums??

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. Follow teh money, Sammy.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  192. Who some pepperpot Russian version of what’s her nancy grace, yes you could say akmetchin but he was steeles verifier, one might argue that Libya was the final straw, a long time client who was the subject of red queen and rice and powers machinations.

    narciso (d1f714)

  193. What I see is Putin demonstrating for the world the fact the US has been misled by blundering incompetents for ten years and counting. Whether one looks at the idiocy of the crash caused by reliance upon computer models whose foundation were undercut by removal of elemental safety factors (20% down or no mortgage), the illusion of computer “security” once connected to a network, the ‘force multiplier’ of social disease media as a political tool/weapon (Orange Revolution, Tahrir Square, Arab Spring kickoff in Libya) as well as the ease with which social disease media can be manipulated through ‘bots and hirelings employed to create illusions (from Amazon Reviews to actual numbers of Twitter/Fecesbook accounts to the scientistic ‘proof’ of the existence of the Skydragon).

    Putin is a murderous thug who deals in reality. It’s much less expensive than trying to maintain a specious and very rickety illusion.

    Rick Ballard (6a5693)

  194. 207. Let’s follow your logic Sammy. Why did the Obama DOJ/FBI treat the Russian attempt to penetrate Trump’s inner circle differently than they did when they shut down the spy ring that was penetrating HRC’s inner circle when the Russians got too close to one of her money guys? In one case they appear to be protecting the presumed target in the other they appear to be more interested in pursuing the presumed target. In either case we don’t want the target compromised but it’s hard to be sure who or what the DOJ/FBI is really protecting.

    crazy (d99a88)

  195. 209. Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 10/31/2017 @ 7:20 am

    Follow teh money, Sammy.

    That’s the quid.

    The question that Davethulhu asked @195 amounted to:

    Where’s the quo?

    I suggested that maybe it was that Hillary Clinton didn’t block the deal. (and also maybe guided them through it so that they said the right thing and made the right promises.)

    Hillary Clinton would not have needed a good reason to block it or make things difficult for them.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  196. Unforced error, aphrael.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  197. @209 Good advice.

    The majority of that $145m was donated by Frank Giustra, who sold his stake in Uranium One in 2007.

    Davethulhu (6a4a84)

  198. Mad attempts to switch topic to Uranium. You Yellowcakers have been crying wolf since 2002.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  199. 215… I don’t base my opinions on birdcage liner LAT or Politifact, Cthulhu

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  200. Hillary also maybe took money to support the Keystone Pipeline.

    But she didn’t stay bought. She reversed herself, or maybe it is re-reversed herself, in December, 2015, while a candidate for president.

    http://time.com/4328254/clinton-cash-movie-hillary-clinton-peter-schweizer-breitbart/

    The film also accuses Hillary Clinton of flip-flopping on the Keystone XL pipeline after an investor booked Bill Clinton for lucrative speeches. Schweizer also says Clinton’s State Department spared Sweden’s Ericsson of troubles over selling technology to Iran after it, too, booked Bill Clinton for a paid talk. The list goes on: that Bill Clinton pocketed KGB money, a mining company put Hillary brother, Tony Rodham, on its board after it won concessions.

    The individual facts are largely true and based on widely reported events and public documents. The conclusions, however, are not as cut-and-dried as the film makes them out to be when assembled together. In general, the film’s reasoning is that if one thing followed another, it was a case of cause-and-effect.

    Clinton campaign officials did not respond to a request for comment about the film, but they were harshly critical of its source material. “A new book by Republican operative and friend of the Koch brothers, Peter Schweizer, makes a number of wild accusations about Hillary Clinton—so wild that even the author admits he has no evidence to support them,” the campaign said last year.

    In other words: It’s inductive reasoning, which can be very faulty, and you can’t say there was a quid pro quo.

    But the Clinton campaign people didn’t seem to have trouble themselves, though, alleging some kind of a quid pro pro between Peter Schweizer and their villain de jour, the Koch brothers. The vast right wing conspiracy to slander the Clintons that has been going on since back when Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas in the 1980s, you know.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  201. Who sold it rusatom, whose subsidiary tenez was in the sting operation with translogistics

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. PPP’s newest national poll finds a record level of support for impeaching Donald Trump. 49% of voters support impeaching him, to 41% who are opposed to doing so. This marks the 6th month in a row we’ve found a plurality of voters in favor of impeaching Trump, and it’s the closest we’ve found to a majority.

    Trump’s approval rating has declined by a net 7 points in the last month. In September we found him at a -11 spread with 42% of voters approving of him to 53% who disapproved. Now he’s at -18 with 38% of voters approving of him to 56% who disapprove.

    https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/support-impeachment-record-high/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  203. Fox polls have other metrics..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  204. Oh! Is it too early to discuss impeachment?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  205. 213.
    More generally, Russia was putting her on retainer.

    But I will repeat the point I made yesterday. Hillary is actually just a peripheral figure here. The core of the mendacity, and whatever criminality, lies in Obama and Hokder, the WH and the DOJ.

    kishnevi (c81531)

  206. Monday, however, was a reminder that Ryan wasn’t kidding. Appearing on WTAQ, a Wisconsin radio station, he was asked what he thought of the indictments Robert Mueller had issued. “I really don’t have anything to add other than nothing is going to derail what we’re doing in Congress,” he said, and he really didn’t. Come Monday night, there was nothing on Ryan’s web site addressing Mueller’s indictments. There was, however, a post summing up his busy month, which was cheekily titled “Not Another Tax Reform Post” and included photographs of Ryan signing bills, handing out medals, and meeting interns.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/31/16579016/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-cowardice-trump

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  207. Teh VoxBox mafia… where’s teh kazoo!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  208. Now when it comes to Puerto Rico, some people in the media seem to have no trouble alleging or hinting at a quid pro quo, in spite of the fact that there is no visible quo, and the quid, if irregular, looks legitimate, and canceling the contract with Whitefish Energy makes things worse. It is doing real, and necessary work, unlike when Bill or Hillary Clinton made speeches.

    It is possible that the corrupt Puerto Rican Electric Power Authority did hope it was buying some self-preservation by making this contract. It’s a fixed price contract – no examination or approval of costs and profit elements allowed. If they can do it for less than expected, they get to keep all the profit. Now that the self-preservation of their sinecures looks better if they cancel the cancel the contract they are doing that. Now removing them could look like retaliation by Trump.

    PREPA had been on the take from Hugo Chavez, and even the local U.S. Attorney’s office and the local FBI may have been part of the corruption. (FBI agents weren’t paid off directly – money was given to their relatives.)

    This allegation was published in Jared Kushner’s newspaper last year: (which Donald Trump probably never read, and who knows if Kushner remembers this)

    http://observer.com/2016/06/did-fbi-and-justice-dept-enable-puerto-ricos-financial-meltdown

    As for why the electricity is still out: We are told that PREPA was counting on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to do it all for free, because after all, it is bankrupt. Like as if, the utility will be better off having no customers and no income rather than spending some money to restore power. (they evidently made an exception for Whitefish Energy)

    But then it’s not a private entity, except to the extent the bondholders can be considered the owners. The Vorgin ISlands is also out, so maybe they were also waiting for the U.S> Army Corps of Engineers.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  209. What did Trump know and when did he know it?

    As Mueller’s squeeze play expands, another question will be how much Trump knew about Manafort’s efforts to promote pro-Russian interests when he hired him to help his campaign, last March, and when he elevated Manafort to the role of campaign chairman, in June. According to the indictment, Manafort was a foreign agent at that time, and should have been registered as such. It beggars belief that Trump, who was busy praising Vladimir Putin and encouraging the Russians to hack Clinton’s e-mails, knew absolutely nothing of Manafort’s business

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/robert-mueller-is-just-beginning-to-put-the-pressure-on

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  210. 212. crazy (d99a88) — 10/31/2017 @ 7:40 am

    207. Let’s follow your logic Sammy. Why did the Obama DOJ/FBI treat the Russian attempt to penetrate Trump’s inner circle differently than they did when they shut down the spy ring that was penetrating HRC’s inner circle when the Russians got too close to one of her money guys?

    What was that? I don’t know.

    In one case they appear to be protecting the presumed target in the other they appear to be more interested in pursuing the presumed target.

    Of course the reason would be that they favored one candidate and opposed the other.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  211. They were told by someone in the know, they needed to upgrade their transmission networks, they didn’t do it for one reason oranother.

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. 229. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/31/2017 @ 8:39 am

    question will be how much Trump knew about Manafort’s efforts to promote pro-Russian interests when he hired him to help his campaign, last March, and when he elevated Manafort to the role of campaign chairman, in June.

    I don’t think Trump was ever for pro-Russian business interests.

    Trump was… well, you could look it up:

    Transcript of the Republican Presidential Debate in Detroit Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 7:29 PM

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/transcript-of-the-republican-presidential-debate-in-detroit.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

    TRUMP: Let me just tell you, first of all, I’ve been hearing this man [Marco Rubio] so long talking about Putin. Putin said about me – I didn’t say about Putin – Putin said very nice things about me. And I say very nicely, wouldn’t
    it be nice if actually we could get along with Russia, we could get along with foreign countries, instead of spending trillions and trillions of dollars?

    You’re talking about Flint, Michigan. You’re talking about places – we need to rebuild the infrastructure of our country. Wouldn’t it be nice if we got along with the world, and maybe Russia could help us in our quest to get rid of ISIS, et cetera, et cetera?

    Trump was almost for breaking up NATO:

    CNN Town Hall Milwakee March 29, 2016:

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/03/29/full-rush-transcript-sen-ted-cruz-cnn-milwaukee-republican-presidential-town-hall/

    QUESTION: Mr. Trump, in a recent interview with the Washington Post, you said that the U.S. should become a diminishing presence in NATO.

    TRUMP: Absolutely.

    And it goes on, with Trump arguing that NATO is obsolete, and it covers the Soviet Union which no longer exists, and it needs at least to be rejiggered or revamped (to concentrate on fighting terror) and that we’re paying too much: spending a tremendous – billions and billions of dollars on NATO.

    Anderson Cooper asks: What about Vladimir Putin invading Crimea and annexing part of Ukraine? Trump says there are countries that surround Ukraine and they don’t seem to have a problem. You don’t have
    Germany talking about Ukraine he says. And too much of the cost of NATO is borne by the United States, and it’s unfair, and we have big problems in the United States, and “we cannot afford to be the policemen of the world anymore, folks.”

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  213. According to the indictment, Manafort was a foreign agent at that time, and should have been registered as such. It beggars belief that Trump, who was busy praising Vladimir Putin and encouraging the Russians to hack Clinton’s e-mails, knew absolutely nothing of Manafort’s business

    I don’t think he understood that Manafort – or Mike Flynn – or George Papadoupolous – was a Russian foreign agent.

    What attracted him to Manafort, in part, was that Manafort was willing to work for him for free.

    I think that obviously, something caused Trump to hire several probable Russian foreign agents, like Paul Manafort, Richard (Rick) Gates, Mike Flynn and George Papadoupolous, but it was NOT that Trump himself was on the take from Russia, which is an absurd proposition. They must have been giving him policy and political reasons to adopt these positions.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  214. How does anyone spend $934,000.00 at a rug store?

    Tillman (a95660)

  215. they were antiques

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  216. If it was a requirement for pedophilia of males by males that the target of the abuse have a prior homosexual sexual orientation, they’d hardly ever find any susceptible targets. Yet there are many cases of teachers in schools, or other kinds of people like Jerry Sandusky, having many targets.

    Ergo, pedophilia causes homosexuality, albeit maybe many boys are very much less susceptible to this than some others.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  217. Sorry, wrong thread.

    Manafort seems to have made lots of money and then wasted it. I don’t think, this kind of thing seems to happen very often.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  218. I don’t know, I mean (why this happens that money goes out the door like that with these people.) Manafort spent a whole lot of money on clothing (mostly business suits) too. Also home improvement and landscaping.

    I wondered what was going on here with the money laundering. It seems like this is just tax evasion of his own income.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  219. 234… how is that any of your business, Tillie?

    More importantly, why does less than 5% of what is grifted into the Clinton Foundation actually go to charities?

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  220. @239

    Because it is an operating foundation, not a non-operating one.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  221. Drunku as if I hacked his computer to find that out. It’s on the national news, genius.

    Tillman (a95660)

  222. First teh weezul had his s-for-brains lawyer send a cease and desist letter, which Carlson quoted on air last night…

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/tony-podesta-threatens-sue-fox-news-tucker-carlson-report/

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  223. “Because it is an operating foundation, not a non-operating one.“

    This less than 5% is well below what is the norm for legitimate, operating foundations.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  224. @243 That’s not how operating foundations work. Operating foundations spend their money on programs rather than charitable grants. The various charity watch sites show that somewhere between 80 and 90% of the Clinton Foundation’s income goes to programs.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  225. between 80 and 90% of the Clinton Foundation’s income goes to programs.

    But what are the “programs”?

    Translation: it goes to paying people, where they cut the checks, as opposed to writing big checks to others who in turn spend money.

    Here it means, it goes to wages and salaries, conferences, communications and trips.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  226. @245 No, that’s not what it means.

    https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

    Wages, salaries, conferences, etc would go under “administrative” or “fundraising” expenses.

    Here’s an example for an operating foundation that most people have heard of: Doctors without Borders. DwB spends their money doctors and medical supplies, not on charitable grants.

    https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3628

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  227. 246. What is Doctors without borders ranked as at Charity Navigator?

    I notice that the 86.9% program expenses is for 2017. Was it alwayts like that? And can that be affecetd by labeling?

    Here is something from snopes:

    https://www.snopes.com/clinton-foundation-scores-higher-as-a-charity-than-the-red-cross

    They had stopped rating them because their atypical business model could not be accurately captured by their current rating methodology. After a lot of lobbying, and some changes in rpeorting, they rated them again starting in September 2016.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  228. From tomorrow;s Wall Street Journal editorial page: Posted Oct. 31, 2017 2:46 p.m. ET

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-press-loves-fusion-gps-1509475567

    One of the dirty little secrets in Washington is that Fusion is a longtime source for journalists, planting political hits that Fusion is paid by third parties to dig up. Now the press corps is defending its meal ticket, often without reporting honestly about Fusion and how it works.

    One example is the story by someone named Jason Schwartz in Politico on Monday that attacked us for our Mueller editorial. This media enforcer quoted Neil King, identifying him as a former WSJ editor who slammed our work and said “I don’t know a single WSJ alum who’s not agog at where that edit page is heading.” Perhaps Mr. King is agog because Axios reported in January that he had joined . . . Fusion GPS.

    So Politico quotes an employee of Fusion to attack The Wall Street Journal for criticizing Fusion. Even better, Mr. Schwartz didn’t tell his readers that Mr. King has worked for Fusion. Mr. Schwartz also failed to point out that Mr. King’s wife, Shailagh Murray, also a former Journal reporter, worked in the Obama White House. Perhaps Mr. Schwartz understands that this kind of political incestuousness is so routine in Washington that even to mention it would get him drummed out of the club.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  229. Sammy, what’s the local skinny on the terror incident in Lower Manhattan? Nat’l feed is scattershot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  230. I haven’t listened to the radio or TV. I;m sure I’ll get details.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  231. Rich galen on why Manafort miught have been indicted now:

    According to lawyers on the cable nets these indictments might have been first because the government was concerned about the
    statute of limitations clock running out on some of the issues.

    But the money laundering continued into 2016 even though he stopped getting a paid by the Party of Regions in 2014.

    One more thing:

    At one point Manafort and Roger Stone (among others) were business partners

    Manafort offered to brief a Russian oligarch close to Putin but maybe that’s not in the indictment because he didn’t lie about that to the FBI.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  232. Here’s the truth about the Clinton Foundation… it’s found in their tax filings…

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/16/clinton-foundation-spent-6-percent-charitable-grants-2014/

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  233. “The Clinton Foundation spent less than 6 percent of its budget on charitable grants in 2014, according to documents the organization filed with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in 2015. During the 2014 tax year, the tax-exempt foundation spent a total of $91.2 million, but less than $5.2 million of that money, or 5.7 percent, was granted to charitable organizations, the group’s tax filings show. The Clinton Foundation raised nearly $178 million in 2014. The organization’s charitable grants also declined significantly when compared to its donations in 2013. Compared to its 2013 charitable grants of $8.8 million, the Clinton Foundation’s grants in 2014 declined by more than 40 percent, even as its revenue over the same period increased by 20 percent. According to the tax filings, the Clinton Foundation is currently sitting on $354 million in assets, including $125 million in cash or cash equivalents and $108 million in property or equipment.

    The tax records, which were filed with the IRS in November of 2015, show that the Clinton Foundation spent far more on overhead expenses like travel ($7.9 million) than it did on charitable grants in 2014. The group also spent more on rent and office supplies (a total of $6.6 million) than it did on charitable grants. The Clinton Foundation’s IRS forms show that even its depreciation expense ($5.3 million) — an accounting classification that takes into account the wear and tear of an organization’s assets — exceeded the tax-exempt organization’s charitable grant outlays.

    clinton-foundation-2014-990
    Supplemental tables within the Form 990 filed with the IRS show that the Clinton Foundation’s largest charitable grant was a $2 million payment to the Alliance for a Healthier Generation (AHG), a joint project founded by the Clinton Foundation and the American Heart Association. Bruce Lindsey, the board chairman for the Clinton Foundation in 2014, also served on AHG’s board that year, according to the organization’s 2014 tax filings. Of the $16.3 million AHG organization spent in 2014, only $349,022, or 2.1 percent, was spent on charitable grants, the group’s tax filings show.

    alliance-healthier-generation-2014-990
    The Clinton Foundation’s largest single charitable grant to an organization not founded by the Clinton Foundation or managed by one of its board members was a $700,000 check to the J/P Haitian Relief Organization, a non-profit founded by actor Sean Penn. That organization reportedly spent more than $126,000 on first-class flights for the actor. Other charitable grants from the Clinton Foundation included $200,000 for the Tiger Woods Foundation and $37,500 for the Sesame Workshop in New York City.“

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  234. Private Colonel. Do you have thoughts of your own, or are they teleprompter for you?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  235. Haiku, I just explained this to you. The Clinton Foundation is an operating foundation. The majority of their charitable work is not grants, but rather programs that they administer.

    Tell me how many charitable grants Doctors without Borders made.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  236. it’s high time doctors had some goddamn borders if you axe me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  237. As I just explained to you, Squidinski, it’s all in their tax filings. Can’t hide anything there, if they are honest. Take the time to read them.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  238. Ask the Haitian people how they were helped by this Clinton Foundation.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  239. I don’t think haiku is a reader

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  240. This is a good topic to use, if one would like to see the search engine machinations of google. They front load the usual positive spin from the likes of politifact, snopes etc., and push the truth… all the details, e.g., tax filings, etc., further down the queue.

    Colonel Haiku (61b436)

  241. Hoagie:

    Just once I’d like to get real information out if you. Is it hopeless?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  242. Haiku, as much as I love to dunk on your wingnut talking points, you’re getting really tiresome on this one.

    1. Some charities work by acting as a collection point for donations, which they then disburse in the form of charitable grants.
    2. The Clinton Foundation is not one of these type of charities.
    3. Other charities use the money they collect directly in the form of programs. Charities of this type will have a very small percentage of charitable grants, because, rather than acting as a middleman, they are directly administering the programs.
    4. This is the type of charity the Clinton Foundation is.

    Every one of your wingnut sources is crying about “charitable grants”, but charitable grants are mostly not what the Clinton Foundation does.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  243. but charitable grants are mostly not what the Clinton Foundation does.

    Absolutely. What the Clinton Foundation mostly does is provide a lavish lifestyle for the Clintons and the Mezvinskys.

    nk (dbc370)

  244. Mezvinsky is a Ukrainian name, BTW.

    nk (dbc370)

  245. Furthermore, their tax filings aren’t hidden. In fact, you can find them on the Clinton Foundation website.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2015.pdf

    If you scroll down to section 9, you can see where the money went:

    In 2015, $226m of their total $263m in expenses went to “Program Services”.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  246. $226m of their total $263m in expenses went to “Program Services”.

    Yup. That’s what I said. Salaries, bonuses, private jets, five-star hotels, six-figure expenses accounts, for the Clintons and their cronies.

    nk (dbc370)

  247. nk, once again you’ve gotten mixed up with the Trump Foundation
    http://fortune.com/2016/09/21/donald-trump-foundation-irs/

    Davethulhu (f4dd03)

  248. Who funds Trump’s foundation?

    nk (dbc370)

  249. Not that I want to defend him. But it’s mostly his money, if not all, and those picayunish quibbles you posted have more to do with whether those amounts qualify as charitable giving. Unlike the Clinton Foundation which is a laundry for bribes.

    nk (dbc370)

  250. Hopefully this Post isn’t played out, because there are some interesting new developments in the case today.

    Bail review issues went before the District Judge assigned to the case today. Both Manafort and Gates are attempting to have their conditions of release modified – only days after they were first imposed. The timing is not accidental.

    When the feds arrest you, the law requires them to take you before a magistrate without undue delay. Here they appeared the same day, and were arraigned. Even though the arrests came as a surprise, the government moved for detention — meaning it wanted them held without bail.

    But they were released on bail, with the most significant features of which being a $10 million bond by Manafort ($5 million by Gates), and both were put on home detention.

    The timing of that first hearing is always problematic for a defendant. It happens at the same time as the arraignment, and the federal “bail” office — known as “Pretrial Services” — is expected to make a recommendation to the Court about what terms of release would be appropriate, or whether the defendant should be detained pending trial. But the Defendant has had pretty much no time to put together anything to justify being released, while the government has filed a public document — the indictment –which goes into great detail about all the crimes the defendant has committed. About the best the Defendant can do on very short notice is say “No, I didn’t do that.”

    Today’s hearing — 72 hours after arraignment — was for a bail review, to modify the conditions previously imposed. And this is the first time the defense can really lay before the Judge their view of the problems with the charges. They would have done that in writing in a memo supporting their motion.

    I’m guessing the gov’t didn’t have a chance to respond, because the Court continued the hearing until Monday and the gov’t will probably file its opposition tomorrow, and PTS will issue a revised recommendation for the Court on Monday.

    A few things that are reported by AP in their story: Manafort says its not illegal to earn money overseas for consulting with foreign governments. He says that there was no intent to hide the income because the money was transferred from overseas banks INTO US banks — which is the reverse of what typically happens when people are hiding income. And he has a point on this — in order to prove money laundering the gov’t is going to have to show that the movement of funds between banks was done “with the intent to conceal” the true source of the money, or it was done to “promote the underlying crime”. I’m not sure what theory the gov’t is going to use to show that bringing money from outside the US to inside the US is intended to “conceal” its source, or how that “promotes” the underlying SUA — which I’m not even sure what that is.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  251. The other interesting development is that we now know the Judge. Obama appointee Amy Berman Jackson. Harvard undergrad, Harvard Law. Was a federal prosecutor in the 80s before going into private practice. Did some decently significant white collar criminal defense work, but most interesting in her resume is her time with the firm Trout Cacheris. Plato Cacheris is a legend among the white collar defense bar in Washington DC. The firm Trout Cacheris is very small, but it is a powerhouse white collar defense firm. The fact that she was there for 11 years before being nominated by Obama is quite significant to me. She is likely to be very hard on novel legal theories of prosecution that seem calculated to make political points.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  252. He says that there was no intent to hide the income because the money was transferred from overseas banks INTO US banks — which is the reverse of what typically happens when people are hiding income.

    robert mueller stinks of desperation and rape culture

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  253. In this light:

    https://climateaudit.org/

    narciso (c6ab85)

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