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5/26/2017

“I Might Ask For A Second Set Of Forceps…And Pull Off A Leg Or Two, So It’s Not Partial Birth Abortion”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:53 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Just another day at the office for an abortionist.

Yesterday, the Center for Medical Progress released yet another video on YouTube filmed during the 2014 and 2015 National Abortion Federation conventions where abortionists and those involved in the industry talked and laughed about the business of killing babies:

“An eyeball just fell down into my lap, and that is gross!” [laughter from the crowd]
– Dr. Uta Landy, Founder of the Consortium of Abortion Providers (CAPS), Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)

“I’m like — Oh my God! I get it! When the skull is broken, that’s really sharp!”
– Talcott Camp, Deputy director of the ACLU’s Reproductive Health Freedom Project

“I might ask for a second set of forceps to hold the body at the cervix and pull off a leg or two, so it’s not PBA [partial-birth abortion].”
– Dr. Ann Schutt-Aine, Director of Abortion Services for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast

“I get a lot of oohs and ahhs from StemExpress. You know, they’re wanting livers…Last week I was in Sacramento, and she said, “I need four intact limbs.” And I said, you want what?”
– Dr. Leslie Drummond, abortionist at Planned Parenthood Mar Monte

Here’s the backstory about the video’s release:

The footage was released by Daleiden’s attorneys, former Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley and former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Brentford J. Ferreira. The legal group, Steve Cooley and Associates (SCA), has created a media resource page where press can track progress of the case. The page includes additional video evidence of abortion industry brutality: http://stevecooley.com/media/

This morning, it was reported that YouTube had removed the Center for Medical Progress video for allegedly violating YouTube’s Terms of Service agreement.

NRO, which is closely monitoring this, is reporting that something is amiss:

Judge William Orrick — the California district judge who granted NAF and Planned Parenthood’s request for a preliminary injunction to prevent the release of this video footage — had ordered the CMP’s lead investigator David Daleiden and his attorneys to appear at a June 14 hearing to consider holding them in contempt for releasing the footage yesterday morning.

According to the attorneys defending CMP — Steve Cooley and Brentford Ferreira — they had the ability to release the footage in conjunction with California’s prosecution of Daleiden and his colleague Sandra Merritt, both of whom are facing 14 felony charges in the state for recording “confidential communications.” More clarification from the attorneys’ PR representative to National Review yesterday:

[Calif.] Attorney General Xavier Becerra has entered this footage into the public record by filing a public criminal proceeding based on it. The preliminary injunction obtained by NAF in a federal civil suit cannot bind this State criminal proceeding. (In fact, the SF Superior Court is now releasing certified copies of the court filings to the public with the links to the videos.)

It remains unclear, then, how Orrick had the authority yesterday evening to order Cooley and Ferreira to take down the footage and threaten them with contempt charges.

National Review is seeking clarification about this from CMP’s lawyers.

On a side note:

The health care reform bill passed by the House of Representatives redirects more than 400 million dollars in taxpayer funding away from Planned Parenthood to comprehensive health care centers that outnumber the abortion business at least 20 to one, and it stops the Obamacare abortion expansion by preventing taxpayer funding of health care plans that cover abortion on-demand.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

205 Responses to ““I Might Ask For A Second Set Of Forceps…And Pull Off A Leg Or Two, So It’s Not Partial Birth Abortion””

  1. I tried to upload the LiveLeak copy of the video and was unable to. If anyone knows how to do it, please let me know.

    Dana (023079)

  2. The progressives J V Team.

    mg (31009b)

  3. The health care reform bill passed by the House of Representatives redirects more than 400 million dollars in taxpayer funding away from Planned Parenthood

    the sleazy republican senate trash aren’t even looking at the crappy bill perverted Mitt Romney’s slicked up little boy toy Paul Ryan passed in the house

    instead, they’re pretending to write their own bill while they run out the clock

    this way Planned Parenthood will get to do many many more awesome abortions using the tax monies we pay

    this makes demented torture victim John McCain very very happy, cause it’s another way he gets to stick it to Trump!

    #theydidsomethingtohisbrain

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Since when are commencement addresses political party rallies? I assume this is only for leftists as usual especially since anybody right of Mao isn’t allowed to speak and if they do the douchebags walk out.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  5. forceps please i need to jimmy-jammer this leg off for to stay legal with them virtue-signaling regulations them lifeydoodles passed for to feel good about themselves

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. California’s wiretapping law is a “two-party consent” law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to “confidential communications” — i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation.

    A “reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation”? At a convention? When the NSA exists? You’ve got to be kidding me. Nobody’s got a reasonable expectation of privacy these days, having an expectation of privacy is totally unreasonable.

    (Which reminds me of a question I’ve always wanted to ask regarding data leaks like with Target or Bank of America or whatever – if Target dumps all your account information onto the internet, what’s the problem? Haven’t the courts regularly held that there’s this “third-party” doctrine wherein if you willingly share your private information with a company you no longer have any reasonable expectation of privacy in that information? Or does that magic trick only work when it’s the government who wants your totally-not-private records?)

    Jerryskids (3308c1)

  7. the california attorney general’s office might be a wee bit corrupt and politicized like the federal one Mr. Jerrykids

    just a hunch there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. excuse me i mean Mr. *Jerryskids*

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. Monty Python – The Meaning of Life Live Organ Transplants [YouTube]

    The thread needed more visceral.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  10. The slaughter of our young is no big deal to worshippers of Moloch. Besides, when we import their replacements, they are coming from a society that wants and expects corruption from our government so it’s a win-win for the political class.

    NJRob (d16a49)

  11. Judge Orrick has been discussed on the pages of this blog in the past, e.g., here.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  12. I tried to upload the LiveLeak copy of the video and was unable to. If anyone knows how to do it, please let me know.
    Dana (023079) — 5/26/2017 @ 12:55 pm

    Are you saying you downloaded the liveleak video and you are now trying to upload it somewhere else? If so, where to?

    Or, are you trying to embed the video here, but still leaving it at liveleak?

    Also, your link to liveleak comes up with this:

    This item has been deleted because of a possible violation of our terms of service!

    Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83)

  13. Who are these people, and I use the word advisedly they are more like death eaters and nazguls.

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. Video deleted. Is there another version?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  15. But it’s OK to put up a blueprint for a hydrogen bomb.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  16. Trump would do well to put the video on his WH web site.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. Liveleak has been infiltrated.

    They figure if they prevent the truth from being seen, then they can control the populace. Pretty standard procedure from the left.

    NJRob (d16a49)

  18. R.I.P. Zbigniew Brzezinski

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. So actual audio, recording an act that at defies basic humAnity, is clearly doubleunplusgood

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. I can’t locate a copy of the video anywhere. However, here is an update from National Review from late this afternoon:

    Update May 26, 4:15 p.m.: One of the defense attorneys for David Daleiden and his colleague Sandra Merritt tells National Review that he removed the latest undercover CMP footage from his website around 8 p.m. EST yesterday evening, after he received word that Orrick had determined the release of the footage to be in violation of the preliminary injunction he had issued in the civil case against Daleiden.

    Orrick’s gag order arose during the case brought against Daleiden by the National Abortion Federation and Planned Parenthood, both of which wanted the court to prevent the release of the undercover footage from the 2014 and 2015 NAF conventions. That case is currently on appeal.

    Meanwhile, Steve Cooley is one of two attorneys representing Daleiden and Merritt in their criminal case, which began in late March when Calif. attorney general Xavier Becerra charged the two undercover investigators with 14 felony counts of recording “confidential communications.”

    According to Cooley, the San Francisco Superior Court made much of the undercover footage publicly available when the videos were filed as part of the proceedings in that criminal case. Cooley’s decision to make that footage available on his own site was primarily an effort to make public what is already technically part of public records, in order to give the media and the public better access to information as the case unfolds. Cooley referred to the issue as a “conflict of laws,” pitting a district judge’s injunction against the Superior Court’s decision to file the videos as part of public records. “The blog was nothing more than a memorialization of public filings in the history of the case,” Cooley says of the webpage where he posted the videos yesterday morning. He called California’s criminal case a “selective, ill-motivated, and ill-founded prosecution.”

    Daleiden, Cooley, and defense attorney Brentford Ferreira will appear before the San Francisco Superior Court on June 8 to receive the court’s ruling on the demurrer filed in response to Calif.’s felony charges. Orrick has ordered a June 14 hearing in U.S. district court as part of the ongoing civil case, to consider contempt sanctions related to the release of the video footage that was subject to the injunction.

    Dana (023079)

  21. The NRO piece linked by Dana also links to videos. Their first link to liveleak gets the same deleted video message. But, the next two youtube links are still good. The first one is a short little clip with the eyeball rolling on the lap quote. The other one goes to a long video (30 minutes) in the midlle of a big playlist of what looks like similar videos.

    I don’t know what was in the deleted video, so maybe it is contained within that 30 minute video. Or not.

    Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83)

  22. The good citizens of the USA stand strong with their Auschwitz brethren who would not see and hear what they saw and heard.

    Ya know how juries are often ordered to ignore something they were presented with? The millions upon millions of infanticide deniers would be perfect for such duty. Then again, their judgment is shit.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  23. Ain’t that a pisser? Enough to make you want to bodyslam a reporter. Or a YouTube employee.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  24. “We must learn to kill coolly and tranquilly.” Klaus Barbie

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  25. Alas, poor Orrick. Was judge Dyson not available?

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  26. @23 papertiger

    If only Montana was a two party state.

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  27. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1ycCmX3uU

    That’s the link I posted yesterday @

    http://patterico.com/2017/05/25/under-president-obama-nsa-routinely-violated-american-privacy-protections/#comment-2001503

    The video still works @
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-judge-censors-video-exposing-planned-parenthood.-see-it-here

    Judge Orrick is a mad dog that needs to be put down.
    There is no place in our government for someone with his level of disability in understanding the bill of rights.
    Judicial review has to be a two way street. There has to be a special category of crime exclusive to his office.
    Violence against the freedoms of speech. Something.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  28. Old Yeller needs to go.

    If he had the scruples God gave a STEM teacher he would have resigned by now.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  29. Yes but since it’s a violation of the hippocratic oath, mengele is the template along with Augsberg i believe the one who dis the ice water experiments

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. papertiger, you’re going to think I’m joking when I say this, but I’m not joking:

    Your comment above (#28) is just inside the margins of protected Free Speech, but all that’s missing is the imminent incitement to violence to cross that line. This is the kind of thing that the U.S. Marshals and other federal officials would definitely take note of. It might get you on lists you’d rather not be on.

    It’s also repulsive, but that’s nothing new from you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  31. Beldar, judge Orrick makes a mockery of the judicial system and deserves to be imprisoned for depriving others of their constitutional rights.

    Feel better?

    NJRob (d16a49)

  32. I don’t believe in idle death threats and I don’t respect people who make them, NJRob. I’m concerned about the likely misreading of precedent that would be required for him to hold anyone in contempt, but that is a far, far, far cry from saying he deserves to be imprisoned, much less shot like a dog. And I was dead serious in the unsolicited legal advice I gave papertiger, but I do encourage him to seek independent advice from a lawyer who hasn’t already drawn the conclusions about him that I have.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  33. And now I need to go take a shower.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  34. I wasn’t entertaining murder for Judge Orrick. More like revoking his drivers licence.

    Every time I read his name it’s in a story demonstrating his broken judgement and incapacity to hold office.

    Let’s say Orrick had just ruled against the only guy who bought a ticket to the “women’s only” showing of Wonder Woman. It would be every bit as stupid, bigoted, unAmerican, unjust, illegal, and incompetent as an example of judgement, which is supposedly his job, as this injunction in favor of baby murder, and dismemberment for profit, cannibalism.

    Orrick’s court stinks like Fisherman’s Wharf at low time. He’s a bought out, hosed out, concubine, who if he were riding a horse, couldn’t render a competent opinion if the choices were between straddling, sidesaddle, or walking on foot.

    He’s damaged in the head. We wouldn’t let a spastic operate a motor vehicle. Likewise we shouldn’t allow Orrick to render on point of law.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 5/27/2017 @ 12:19 am Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  35. Should read Fishermans Wharf at low tide.

    Please make note.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  36. Black Lives Matter…..unless it’s the 19 million black babies aborted in the U.S. since Roe v Wade.

    “The majority of Planned Parenthood’s abortion clinics are located in communities with minority populations that exceed the city or state averages.”

    “35.6% of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on black women, however, black women make up only about 13% of the female population.”
    .

    Democrats of course heartily support these numbers as if they were members of the KKK, an organization created by the democratic party.

    “It was bad luck for them, I bear them no malice” – Captain Philip Francis Queeg – The Caine Mutiny – 1954

    harkin (299d24)

  37. So how many voted for orrick and what was there excuse?

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. If the repeal of Roe v. Wade was a pen stroke away, would actual White Nationalists (not Nationalists who happened to be White) publically take on the mantle as the last defense of Planned Parenthood? And would the prenatal murder community take their coin and open support?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  39. Orrick’s another ivy league trash fascist what’s helped turn failmerica’s court system into a third whirl laughingstock

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. meanwhile climate change pansy Rex Tillerson apparently thinks the incidence rate of good old fashioned rape in failmerica is too low

    The Department of State quietly decided Thursday to drop a rule limiting the number of refugees allowed into the United States.

    Although the Trump administration has notably opposed an increase in the influx of refugees, the State Department moved in full opposition to his plans while he is out of the country, The New York Times reports.

    way to be proactive there Rex

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. Probably another Obama mutineer, behind this.

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. If this country is going to survive, we need people with a survival instinct. Too many of our natural born citizens think life is a hobby and America an amusement park.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. and a lot of them went to top schools

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. Expensive schools, top is an unwarranted value judgement, the ivy league alumni obviously excluded but take dana milbank.

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. You misunderstood me. The kind of people who won WWII and made America a superpower, like our grandparents, we’re only going to find from the Third World.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. yes yes yes

    this is why we need Mr. Trump’s wall and a concerted and visible effort to “get a handle on the situation” so we can evolve this discussion of immigration

    poor blinkered climate change slut Rex Tillerson does not look like he has a very good handle on the situation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. welcoming immigration needs to be something we do

    not something a bunch of sleazy effete harvardtrash do on us

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. Duh you said it was removed, distracted post reading. I know Brent Ferreira. Good for him.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  49. 46 – “The kind of people who won WWII and made America a superpower, like our grandparents, we’re only going to find from the Third World.”

    They’re still out there, especially in the Midwest and the inter-mountain area. The schools are still doing everything they can to convince them they can’t be happy without Central Planning but many still have a grasp of the real world.

    harkin (9fca6c)

  50. I know it’s a city ordinance, but it must broadly apply otherwise how could gays force cake decoraters out of business.

    This tweet shows a list of public accommodations the use of which can not be abridged due to discrimination.

    It is against the City Human Rights Law for a public accommodation to withhold or refuse to provide full and equal enjoyment of those goods or services based on the following protected classes under the Law:
    Age
    Alienage or Citizenship Status
    Color
    Disability
    Gender
    Gender Identity
    Marital or Partnership Status
    National Origin
    Pregnancy
    Race
    Religion/Creed
    Sexual Orientation

    Examples of Public Accommodations:
    Stores
    Banks
    Medical or dental offices
    Government agencies
    Hair salons
    Hospitals
    Hotels
    Theaters
    Restaurants
    Schools
    Taxis

    I would argue that YouTube is a public accommodation. The Judge has no power to exclude CfMP from that public service.

    In the broader context if your association is so repugnant that public disclosure of it’s goings on are an affront to public norms of decency your association should probably not exist.

    You think this same Judge would scruple against the disclosure on YouTube of a fraternal association sharing information on how to take advantage of cultural differences to swindle illegal aliens? Charging aliens for services or legal documents the government provides for free for instance.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  51. Maybe if I just suggested Judge Orrick were torn limb from limb, then I wouldn’t get on Beldar’s nerves so much.

    Cheap shot. Okay.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  52. I pointed out how the wider culture is turning the advantages that the tiger mom pointed out to mush.

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Governor Brown legalized euthanasia in California very recently.

    It’s aimed at personal suffering, but I gather there’s a bit of physician assigned suffering.
    They get to decide this one’s going to die or that one’s going to die and prescribe the cyanide or what have you.

    Now that the precedent is set it can’t be long til the personal right is expanded to a collective right where categories of people are deemed a sufferance to the many.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  54. I don’t believe in idle death threats and I don’t respect people who make them, NJRob. I’m concerned about the likely misreading of precedent that would be required for him to hold anyone in contempt, but that is a far, far, far cry from saying he deserves to be imprisoned, much less shot like a dog. And I was dead serious in the unsolicited legal advice I gave papertiger, but I do encourage him to seek independent advice from a lawyer who hasn’t already drawn the conclusions about him that I have.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/26/2017 @ 11:33 pm

    This is not a one off situation as you well know. He has consistently abused his power and made a mockery out of justice in his courtroom. When the justice turns into injustice and you claim there’s no legal recourse such as imprisonment for denial of constitutional rights, where do we stand?

    NJRob (520017)

  55. Can he be impeached, I know I kid.

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Life unworthy and clinical cannibalism.

    n.n (4b95d8)

  57. Hate Loves Abortion

    n.n (4b95d8)

  58. 54.Governor Brown legalized euthanasia in California very recently.

    It’s aimed at personal suffering, but I gather there’s a bit of physician assigned suffering.
    They get to decide this one’s going to die or that one’s going to die and prescribe the cyanide or what have you.

    And yet these same people tie themselves into knots crying over what is the most painless injection for execution of horrendous criminals. Go figure.

    Sadly the whole ides behind this and abortion before it is to nudge society toward an apathetic outlook on the value of life and death. It will enable the state to eliminate Deplorables because well, it happens all the time.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  59. Maybe he’s a dog lover ie Ramsay Bolton.

    Pinandpuller (969159)

  60. Sadly the judgement will be great upon the West, for as 1 Peter says

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. Executions should be safe, legal and as often as necessary.

    Pinandpuller (969159)

  62. bad doggie

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Like the demon dogs in ghost busters

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. So the Portland nut, is a doc brown nut job, quelle surprise?

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. @ NJRob (#55), who asked:

    When the justice turns into injustice and you claim there’s no legal recourse such as imprisonment for denial of constitutional rights, where do we stand?

    Read the Constitution. It’s right there. The House can impeach federal judges, the Senate can convict and remove them from office.

    If you’re right, you’ll surely be able to convince Congress. Have at it.

    In the meantime, I’d suggest we obey the law and lay off the death threats directed to federal judges.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  66. papertiger, I can point you — with about 10 seconds effort — to at least three dozen decisions by federal judges in the last month that I’m sure would get you equally wee-wee’d up.

    Do you want to shoot them all?

    Pah. This revolts me. I think I need a long vacation from this blog’s comment section.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  67. the senate can’t even convict and remove the obscenely vicious health-raping child-killing policies what comprise their beloved obamacare

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. oh my goodness

    snowflakes in may

    how pretty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. I doubt any of the current group of ratbag judges could be impeached. The Dems and Rinos would not allow it.

    Davod (f3a711)

  70. Last comment — I promise it’s the last for some time:

    What kind of self-absorbed, irrational, noxious person do you have to be to make your death threats against a federal judge on the website of a lawyer in that same state?

    Judges read blogs. They tend to lurk. I can name at least five different judges who’ve told me that they were regular readers of mine when I blogged. I’d bet there are judges who read this blog too.

    I was interviewing with a Fifth Circuit judge for a clerkship when U.S. District Judge John Wood was assassinated in San Antonio. I just don’t have a sense of humor about this, and anyone who does is sick.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  71. The health care reform bill passed by the House of Representatives redirects more than 400 million dollars in taxpayer funding away from Planned Parenthood to comprehensive health care centers that outnumber the abortion business at least 20 to one,

    But you are cutting womens health services. PP provides health services to women

    Come in for an abortion – you get you Blood pressure checked, pulse checked, and IV, an asprin, etc, plus the abortion. Therefore PP has provided 8-10 non abortion services and only one abortion.

    joe (debac0)

  72. I think Orrick deserves to have his licence removed, through his belly-button using one or two sets of forceps, depending upon the skill of his legal care provider.

    I’m not so self absorbed that I think he’s reading this.

    Are you holding a hateful grudge against Woodie Harrelson and in turn against me for linking Cheers video?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson#Murder_of_Judge_John_H._Wood_Jr.

    By my reading it was a Judge, much like Judge Orrick, with rulings for sale, who let Harrelson’s first murder for hire job go less than fully punished, releasing a cold blooded killer back into society, is the reason Judge Wood was killed.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  73. i don’t think there was any death threats at all nobody here’s like that

    we’re all really nice people

    i made soup!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. Thank you happy. I’ll have some soup.

    BTW You know that visit President T made to Jerusalem the other day?
    It bucked up the Czechian Parliament so much they voted to recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel.
    (I hadn’t noticed the situation to be so tender. Apparently it’s a BFnD.)
    /
    /
    Hava nagila, hava nagila, Hava nagila ve-nis’mecha Repeat Hava neranena, hava neranena Hava neranena venis’mecha Uru, uru achim [YouTube]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  75. yes yes i made plenty

    and it’s real soup not metaphor soup!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. the czech parliament is beautiful

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. he was a hired thug for jimmy chagra, id memory serves, tried to tag on to the bigger snipe hunt, that was the jfk assassination conspiracy, judge roll was shot by a (redacted) who was kept out of
    jail by sheriff duffuss, but that murder couldn’t be attributed to him,

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. It’s weird now American media couch President Trump’s visit to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as a question mark. Except for CNN. They’re so bonkers they insist he didn’t visit.

    Here’s for Christiane Amanpour; Trump praying at Temple Mount.

    Been there.
    Done that.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  79. How about this:

    Universal Studios presents The Chateau l’If Adventure. Judges ride for free.

    Pinandpuller (969159)

  80. papertiger, you’re going to think I’m joking when I say this, but I’m not joking:

    Your comment above (#28) is just inside the margins of protected Free Speech

    I wish I had that in an embroidery so I could hang it on the wall.

    That’s not just a memo. That’s a Jerry Maguire “mission statement“.

    Depends on whose court you’re in. Doesn’t it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  81. Read the Constitution. It’s right there. The House can impeach federal judges, the Senate can convict and remove them from office.

    If you’re right, you’ll surely be able to convince Congress. Have at it.

    In the meantime, I’d suggest we obey the law and lay off the death threats directed to federal judges.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/27/2017 @ 12:50 pm

    I am mentioning following the law. The problem is our government does not believe it needs to abide by those same rules.

    How often does a judge get impeached? Can we ever count on democrats impeaching a judge who rules unconstitutionally, but politically in their favor?

    NJRob (d16a49)

  82. harry Nixon and alcee hastings, like 30 years ago, this is why I snorfled. and hastings never goes away.

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. Pah. This revolts me. I think I need a long vacation from this blog’s comment section.

    I have a better idea. Why don’t I give papertiger a long vacation from the comments section. I just saw his unacceptable comments and I am moving to moderate him now. I am in full agreement with Beldar here and will not let my comments section be turned into a venue for threats against judges.

    What has happened to the right? Literally everyone here should be condemning this in my absence.

    Patterico (b9d253)

  84. Also considering banning everyone who thinks it’s a good idea to bodyslam a reporter.

    Maybe I can get myself down to one commenter. But you people who think that (bodyslamming a reporter) is a good thing? I just don’t like you any more. Go away and leave me alone.

    In fact, all of who who advocate violence against other people because of their political beliefs, you can all just get out of my life.

    I’d rather have three friends who don’t think that way than 100 or 1000 or 10,000 or a million who do.

    Patterico (b9d253)

  85. papertiger is in the filter. He has befouled my blog and it should be common sense to him how to get out.

    Patterico (b9d253)

  86. It’s your blog, Patterico; you make the house rules for your virtual living room. I have watched people getting more and more out of control, so I agree with you and Beldar.

    All this weird fake macho from Keyboard Kowboys is disturbing. There are lots of people who encouraged the banned person. It’s your site, which you pay for. Your name is associated with it.

    What a world.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  87. Yes Simon, we see the shock troops encourages from the highest offices of the so called opposition, criminals sending mobs against law enforcement officials with their two minute hate, but we are the problem?

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. Narciso, I believe in free speech. But I don’t believe people should be free to say whatever they like in someone else’s living room.

    To me, it’s about showing respect for Patterico.

    Again, his name and thus his profession is linked to what happens around here.

    If folks want to act all tough and even threaten people (or be profoundly vulgar), they have that right. But not when someone else is paying for the soapbox.

    YMMV.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  89. In fact, all of who who advocate violence against other people because of their political beliefs, you can all just get out of my life.

    War is the quintessential advocacy of violence against other people because of their political beliefs. Have you gone all Quaker on us? I spent three years in Vietnam raining down violence against other people because of their political beliefs and I was damn good at it. Frankly, violence against other people because of their political beliefs is one of the oldest and most justifiable reasons to employ violence. It’s what our Founding Fathers did against the British. It’s what the North did against the slave South. It’s what the Allies did against the Axis and it is the only way the West will survive against the Left and its philosophical ally Islam.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  90. War is the quintessential advocacy of violence against other people because of their political beliefs.

    That is not how I see war. Also, I am not a big fan of war.

    Patterico (b9d253)

  91. I don’t know how else one could see war. You don’t find people who agree going to war. For example, when was the last time two democracies did battle? But throw in a commie or socialist or moslem and all hell breaks loose.

    You needn’t be a big fan of war to recognize it’s existence and necessity. Sometimes a people are faced with slavery and extermination or war. It’s an easy choice for me. It’s like executions. I’m not a big fan of the state killing its citizens but sometimes a man just needs killing because no other end will do.

    I respect your opinion, Patterico realizing in a world full of war it’s a tad naïve.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  92. Hava nagila
    havtwo nagilas
    havthree nagilas
    fourmebbefive

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. i hate when people get bodyslammed into moderation like they was bad doggies

    especially when it’s cause of they said a figurative not a literal

    in these waning days of failmerica

    what i do more than i think you know is i listen

    and i hear broad themes

    vast themes!

    panoramic themes!

    one of which is the judiciary are become capricious fascist and tyrannical

    these themes they’re not kooky fringey

    no less a guiding light than mr. instapundit’s been exploring this sad and baleful terrain

    = The reputation of the judiciary is already sinking. If voters believe that it’s allowing voter fraud, it will sink much further

    =The judiciary’s prestige-well is going to dry up pretty fast at this rate.

    =AN ELECTED FEDERAL JUDICIARY WOULD NEVER DO THIS: “Third Circuit: neighbors who criticized condo residents over emotional support dogs must face civil rights suit.”

    And this is just part and parcel of how the failmerican people are losing faith in so so many other institutions

    there are too many to name

    and faith what’s lost is so so hard to regain

    it can take generations

    it can take a revolution

    i can’t begin to name them all, every which institution what has become loathsome and sullied

    all i can do is beseech you to forgive Mr. papertiger for the transgressions he was assignated

    (think but a moment on the moniker he’s chosen)

    for he stands against the onrushing pitiless advance unfreedom in america

    in my heart i know this to be true

    look inside yours and see but that it does not whisper the same

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  94. With all due respect, and kudos to your service, sir—-there is a world of difference between fighting in a war versus publicly discussing the death of a jurist for disagreeing with you .

    “The Left does it worse” does not impress me. We need to be better.

    Social media brings out the worst in most of us. Me, too.

    In the final analysis, this is Patterico’s place. Period. He runs the site, he makes the rules.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  95. My comment was intended for Hoagie, of course. And I hope your health has improved, sir.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  96. oopers the onrushing pitiless advance *of* unfreedom in america i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  97. You needn’t be a big fan of war to recognize it’s existence and necessity. Sometimes a people are faced with slavery and extermination or war. It’s an easy choice for me. It’s like executions. I’m not a big fan of the state killing its citizens but sometimes a man just needs killing because no other end will do.

    Another country may have whatever belief system it likes, as far as I am concerned. A citizen may have whatever belief system he or she likes, as far as I am concerned.

    Violence should be reserved for actions that imperil our safety or that of others.

    I’m not saying I don’t recognize the existence of war. Nor am I saying I don’t recognize its necessity — although I don’t think it necessary anywhere near as often as many others I know.

    What I am saying is that a different political outlook, or a different set of beliefs, is not a reason to engage in violence.

    I recognize that often we end up at war with the commies or the Nazis or the Islamists because they are the ones who have a totalitarian outlook on life, leading them to actions that necessitate war. We had to fight in Afghanistan. We had to fight in WWII. Sometimes you have to fight.

    But that does not equate to support for punching a Nazi, or a commie, or an Islamist, or a smarmy leftist reporter, simply because of their beliefs or speech.

    And I have had it with people who support that kind of stuff.

    Standing up against unjustified violence is not naive.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  98. As far as war goes:

    The questions are not easy, either. For example, many people seem to take it for granted that it was right to enter WWII, but not to have invaded mainland China during Mao’s reign. If you ask why we had to enter WWII, though, many will tell you it was because of the extermination of the Jews. Well, our pal Stalin extermination more Russians than Hitler exterminated Jews, and our pal Mao exterminated way way way more Chinese than Stalin’s and Hitler’s murders put together.

    To me, the fundamental reason we had to fight in WWII and Afghanistan is because we were attacked.

    We can’t right every wrong in the world. So we propagandize the wrongs we have already decided to address and ignore worse ones elsewhere. Goes on all the time.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  99. nobody heard them, the dead institutions

    but still they lay moaning:

    we were much further out than you thought

    and not waving but drowning

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  100. i hate when people get bodyslammed into moderation like they was bad doggies

    That’s the difference between you and me. I hate when violence is done against someone because of their beliefs. You hate when someone is unable to advocate such violence. I oppose thugs. You support them.

    It’s every bit that simple.

    Now do please continue your “sociopathic e e cummings” routine and prove my point further.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  101. happyfeet was the guy whining about the deep state during Watergate. There was an FBI guy trying to undermine the President and that was the real problem!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  102. I had a dream last night. I was in a crowd of thousands of people and a Justin Amash ad was played for the specific purpose of gauging the audience’s reaction. We all knew that the proper reaction — the one expected by the authorities — was dead silence. I loudly applauded it. A few hundred feet over, I heard one other person doing the same.

    Actual dream. I don’t usually remember them.

    I woke up before I suffered any consequences.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  103. Simon how many of these respectable sort know what happened to Patrick of those how many care, its almost inconceivable this happened in this country, so one sees today’s events through that lenses and Orlando and sanford and Madison recall the prosser/Bradley contest.

    narciso (bd577a)

  104. that is not true i have not condoned violence on people

    oh my goodness

    i said i was apathetic in the wyoming case

    the complainant and the witnesses i find wholly untrustworthy

    and with the lack of any harms to see (aside from a pair of in some way broken glasses)

    i chose to look at that story through the lens of how it was perceived by people (it happened on the eve of a plebiscite)

    and i thought it key, that there were no harms to show

    that the wyomings would look upon this and say no harm no foul

    (weebles wobble but they don’t fall down)

    but it’s not every bit that simple not for me

    i think there are harms

    i think the institution of the press has done woeful self-harm upon itself

    and i think the way this contretemps in wyoming has been perceived is a measure of that

    and i would ask

    given the level of harm what can be shown to have been inflicted on our afflicted young reporter in wyoming

    was it altogether wise for him to make himself, to make the beleaguered and self-besmirched press

    to write both of these into the story?

    i think it was foolish of him, for the prestige-well of the press is dry

    dylan byers said an interesting thing afterwards

    he said so many people didn’t even bother to click to hear the audio (among these so many people? your faithful pikachu)

    he’s starting to understand, that one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. …You needn’t be a big fan of war to recognize it’s existence and necessity…

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 5/28/2017 @ 8:40 am

    I tend to not be a big fan of war because of how I grew up. The passageways of the Naval Regional Medical Center lined with the amputees and the burn victims. That was my hospital.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  106. Growing up as a child.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  107. if obama had done watergate the ben jacobs fake news propaganda sluts would’ve covered for him

    no harm no foul is what they would say

    nothing to see here nothing to see

    nothing to hear

    git along, lil mad doggies

    git along

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. Can we stop pretending Mark felt was anything noble, he was a bitter man passed over for promotion who helped year down the temple, reagan saved him from personal consequences of his action with that commutation.we have Ayers and Obama Round because of him.

    narciso (364166)

  109. May God bless all our military and their families for the sacrifices they make and we honor all who made the ultimate sacrifice to protect and preserve our freedoms.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. I’m afraid I’m quite right in what I discussed with you, Patterico.

    I have no idea how you can encourage people to be better in the comments section.

    Many, many people were wonderful there. Most of them left. There are still many fine commenters. But they get drowned out.

    I have no solution. I do appreciate your efforts.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  111. I agree, Colonel.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  112. I agree with that, Colonel. Let’s not expend those lives casually. But let’s be thankful that we have people willing to do that job. Because we need them.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  113. My personal thanks to everyone commenting here who has served this country.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  114. we have two wonderful new commenters i can name off the top of my head

    misters Pinandpuller and harkin

    and that’s just off the top of my head

    this idea that people have fled the comments en masse is poppy and also cock

    they’re all missed of course

    but they all have their own stories of why they’ve chosen to stop

    elissa came back but received a rather aggressive if not somewhat hostile welcoming back i thought (she misunderstood a comment and what ensued was a mite disproportionate to the unintentional offense I thought)

    DRJ comes and goes like the butterfly in the garden

    Mr. JD? i think this stopped being fun for him, is my guess

    daleyrocks? his absence remains a mystery to me

    gulrud and the elephant stone – no idea there either

    so many comings and going it’s hard to keep track of them all

    but i wouldn’t read too much into it

    change and your faithful pikachu are the only constants

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. Frankly, violence against other people because of their political beliefs is one of the oldest and most justifiable reasons to employ violence.

    No, it’s not. Which you know, if you would only stop hysterically ranting.

    Violence in defense of oneself against people who mask their greed and lust for power under the pretext of religion (like the jihadis) and political ideology (communism) is justified and as old as war itself. But only if they are engaging in violence against you.

    You know what the Bible says about humans being created by God in His image. Well, it applies to everyone, including the ones you hate. And just because some people act as if they are not creations created in His image, is not a justification for you to act the same way.

    kishnevi (29baf5)

  116. ack comings and *goings* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  117. 109
    A person can do the right and noble thing for the wrong, ignoble reasons.

    kishnevi (29baf5)

  118. 110.
    Amen

    kishnevi (29baf5)

  119. Shooting is a given, coronello. Not going to brag on that. But I’m a fanatic about fire fighting and rendering first aid. We’d get evaluated during JTFEX and COMPTUEX.

    And the best words I heard was “your officer knew…”

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  120. elissa came back but received a rather aggressive if not somewhat hostile welcoming back i thought (she misunderstood a comment and what ensued was a mite disproportionate to the unintentional offense I thought)

    elissa accused me of lying. Her apology upon being proved wrong was not equal to the offense. It didn’t even acknowledge the seriousness of the false accusation.

    It takes a lot to get banned here. Advocating the death of public officials, baselessly accusing the host of lying — serious stuff like that is what it takes.

    If people leave this place because Republicans have gone temporarily insane in their need to defend a narcissistic dishonest hack of a President, and that mass insanity bothers the sane people who are left, there’s not much I can do about that. If they leave because, in my limited time to review comments, I have allowed a threat against a public official to slip through . . . that I can do something about.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  121. yes yes you do not ban people capriciously

    but still

    i don’t think Mr. tiger intended to communicate a genuine for reals threat

    and i think elissa misremembered something

    i can’t remember what it was

    but knowing her as we do i can’t bring myself to believe any of her commenting came from a place of malice or ill-intent

    people what care enough to add their voices to these discussions about the sad vagaries of life in these waning days of failmerica

    they’re the good ones

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. Republicans have gone temporarily insane in their need to defend a narcissistic dishonest hack of a President

    Oh yeah, that is a problem.

    As much as I admire those who serve our military and am proud that I served, I roll my eyes at the ones who glorify all the people they killed, or use their service as a bludgeon in an argument. If you reward yourself over and over like that, well, you already got your reward… don’t expect any respect from me.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  123. john mccain comes to mind unbidden

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  124. and i think elissa misremembered something

    i can’t remember what it was

    but knowing her as we do i can’t bring myself to believe any of her commenting came from a place of malice or ill-intent

    She accused me of altering a post to cover something up and then lying about it. I did neither. I proved it. She offered a tepid and non-specific apology. It was not enough.

    Patterico (b9d253)

  125. ok well not her best day then

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  126. Fine let’s pretend what happened to you and Patrick and Aaron didn’t happen, and he is accountable to any body in govt. He wouldn’t take your mercy because he would see it as weakness.

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. Arendt spoke of the ‘banality of evil’ which was in itself a trite way of understanding, but else to describe what happened at stem express

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. Nicely done, Dustin. Only a true leftist wordsmith could kinda praise the military and of course himself while completely disrespecting those who actually fought, bled and killed while in its service. And you did it in only two pithy sentences. Thank you for your kind words and judgment on this fine Memorial Day as well as your offhanded not-so-veiled insult. It’s always nice to be reviled and disrespected by the people and country you fought for. I’m sorry my pride in eliminating the enemies of America disagrees with your delicate constitution.

    “Now go get your f****g shoe shine box” …Billy Batts Goodfellas.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  129. This game where the times takes no responsibility for enabling year zero, for encouraging the Salvadoran guerillas for giving succor to the roots of Islamic state.

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. I can’t get around the fact he was a party to Munich

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/230260

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. I think he is too charitable

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-russia-story-starts-making-sense-1495834721

    This is tied to the previous administration’S malfeasance

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. My personal thanks to everyone commenting here who has served this country.
    Patterico (115b1f) — 5/28/2017 @ 9:38 am

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  133. It’s times like this we are reminded how personally stupid are many people who make up the media. These leaks need to be investigated – and by Mr. Mueller specifically to the extent that the leaks, as seems more and more likely, indirectly or partly have their origins in Russian manipulation of our own intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

    Democrats wanted an independent counsel investigation of Russia’s election meddling. They believed it would lead to evidence of, or at least keep alive the story of, Trump collusion. They may be unpleasantly surprised where it really leads.

    the corrupt incompetent trash at the FBI need to be held accountable because they can be

    the propaganda slut media, however?

    they’re drunk on their inviolable unaccountability

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  134. memorial day’s a good day to stop and remember that it’s ok to have a hot dog every once in awhile

    i went with the vienna beef ones

    jumbo!

    it was a package of 4 for $4, and i felt this price point expressed rather a lot of confidence in the quality of these particular dogs

    i got the poppy seed buns with some lady’s name on them (i’ll have four buns left over which i think i’ll cube and freeze for when i do an egg casserole)

    i got celery salt (i like it mostly for how it perks up the odd michelada I enjoy in the deepest most oppressive days of summer)

    so? i need some roma tomatoes (they tend to not have so much water and are easy to work with for this sort of thing)

    controversially, I’ll eschew the yellow mustard and craft a relish of horseradish/chopped spinach/minced onions

    i bravely set out to the grocery store in pursuit of these elusive tomatoes, only to be ambushed by a fierce volley of raindrops perpetrated by a hostile passing thunderstorm

    all too quickly i found myself soaking wet and vulnerable to the cruel predations of the buffeting winds, winds which threatened to siphon the life-sustaining warmth from my very bones

    it’s too early to know how this tale will end

    I’m regrouping, tentatively planning to mount a new offense in the morning

    but you know what they say about war and plans – something about how the plans aren’t very good or reliable or something

    all i can say for sure is that whatever the morning brings, I’ll soldier through, my sights fixed upon the goal and target of a not just a flavorful hot dog, but a memorable one as well

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. i might get some bananas too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. I could have done better for this, for you, America. If you asked me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  137. Now do please continue your “sociopathic e e cummings” routine and prove my point further.

    Haha there are always new and creative ways to call out doucheyfeet as the insufferable, mind-numbingly dull and stupid pseudo-edgy moron that it is.

    Jack Klompus (f1f212)

  138. @ NJRob, who asked (#82):

    How often does a judge get impeached? Can we ever count on democrats impeaching a judge who rules unconstitutionally, but politically in their favor?

    Impeachment of federal judges, almost universally from the district court bench (as opposed to circuit judges or SCOTUS members) is indeed quite rare, but it does indeed happen from time to time. When it does, it’s never done on a party-line vote — can’t be, as a practical matter, until one side gets two-thirds of the Senate. Impeachment based on a judge’s rulings — as opposed for some other action or deed — is essentially unknown. Only fifteen federal judges have been convicted and removed from office by the Senate after impeachment by the House. Even when you include everyone simply investigated for impeachment — thereby picking up quite a few more judges who’ve resigned under pressure (e.g., Samuel Kent of Galveston, before whom I appeared a few times — Wikipedia‘s list only contains a few dozen names. If you’re evaluating the impact of the impeachment clause on the federal judiciary, then, you can fairly assert that the threat of impeachment has been more important in practice than the actual practice, but of course that threat is only derivative of actual convictions.

    As a political matter, it’s ridiculous to propose using the constitutional impeachment method as a means for re-making the federal bench. It would be vastly easier to change the systemic and practical powers of the bench by amendment to the Judiciary Act, which can be accomplished by normal legislation passed by a majority of each chamber and signed by the POTUS (or passed by a supermajority of each chamber after a veto). That’s why FDR didn’t propose impeaching any of the SCOTUS Justices who were regularly invalidating his New Deal legislation: It would have been much quicker and more practical, given his party’s then-existing majorities and party discipline in both chambers, to simply pack the Court by adding additional slots who’d outnumber and then outvote the existing judges whom he wanted to overcome. But he badly misjudged the political reaction to this court-packing scheme, and no later POTUS has ever attempted anything similar.

    So no, you cannot ever count on Democrats — or Republicans — to impeach a judge based on his rulings. That’s not listed as a basis for impeachment in the Constitution, and impeachment was intended by the Founders to be rare and difficult, a last resort.

    But you have many other earlier, better resorts, albeit indirect ones: Elect politicians who themselves are focused on the importance of judicial selections, and hold them accountable when they break of keep their promises. During the 2016 campaign season, Cruz and other Republicans maneuvered an otherwise inarticulate, insensitive, and frankly inexplicable Donald Trump into an unequivocal and very specific promise to select his SCOTUS nominees (not just the first one) from a list of specific names — a list that Trump didn’t compile, was incapable of compiling, and frankly didn’t care about other than an instrument of obtaining fealty and cooperation from Republicans who otherwise didn’t trust Trump on this subject.

    As I write this, there are many, many, many open spots on the federal district and appellate courts — seats for which Trump could and should have made nominations almost immediately after taking the oath himself. So you tell me: What’s more likely to be constructive? papertiger’s death threats, or your railing about impeachment in these comments? Or pressure on the POTUS we now have to use the Senate we now have to begin the process of counteracting the eight years’ worth of confirmations during the Obama Administration of judges who think the Constitution changes day to day depending on the intensity of their personal feelings?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  139. Ah. Sorry, didn’t close a link. Mea culpa maxima.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  140. happy memorial day Mr. Klompus! you should make some cole slaw!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. papertiger’s death threats

    this is tendentious and it assumes facts not in evidence

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. papertiger wrote (#81) above (beginning with a quote from me, which he italicized; link omitted):

    papertiger, you’re going to think I’m joking when I say this, but I’m not joking:

    Your comment above (#28) is just inside the margins of protected Free Speech.

    I wish I had that in an embroidery so I could hang it on the wall.

    That’s not just a memo. That’s a Jerry Maguire “mission statement”.

    Do you know who I had in mind when I formulated that language, papertiger — “just inside the margins of protected Free Speech”? Did you think I was paying you a compliment?

    The American Nazis who marched at Skokie was who I was thinking of. Perhaps they have some “mission statements” and other associated paraphernalia, like flags and helmets and bayonets and such, that you can hang on your wall. You’ll fit right in, if you haven’t already joined.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  143. Mr. papertiger’s not a nazi any more than what he said was a death threat

    holy moly i know this and i’m not even a super smart lawyer!

    speaking of judicial nominees

    Current Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has indicated he will not move nominees without the support of both of the nominee’s home-state senators.

    republican senators are such useless unserious perverts i can’t even

    seriously i can’t

    this isn’t even constitutional it’s just sleazy senate-trash swampcrap

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  144. also, if I may gently suggest something

    i think it’s the height of poor manners to make allegations about and to cast aspersions upon someone who’s not allowed to reply

    unless like maybe unless they’re in jail

    that would be a special case

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. Forgive me for speaking our of turn, but we are in a full Cold War within America. There are those who would gleefully fulfill Bill Ayers desire of wiping 25 million of us off the map to grant them power.

    I do not see any place to attempt to reason with these people any more than I do jihadis. We watch them indoctrinate our youth through the education system, popular media, and our leftist branch of government to hate what we are. How do you reason with that?

    What is the solution to this impossible question?

    Is a national divorce possible?

    NJRob (04f95f)

  146. Why did the aclu decide the Nazis had to march on Skokie, that seemed perilously close to fighting words, no right in that wheelhouse.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. EWhat evs.

    I don’t think you heard me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  148. As a political matter, it’s ridiculous to propose using the constitutional impeachment method as a means for re-making the federal bench. It would be vastly easier to change the systemic and practical powers of the bench by amendment to the Judiciary Act, which can be accomplished by normal legislation passed by a majority of each chamber and signed by the POTUS (or passed by a supermajority of each chamber after a veto). That’s why FDR didn’t propose impeaching any of the SCOTUS Justices who were regularly invalidating his New Deal legislation: It would have been much quicker and more practical, given his party’s then-existing majorities and party discipline in both chambers, to simply pack the Court by adding additional slots who’d outnumber and then outvote the existing judges whom he wanted to overcome. But he badly misjudged the political reaction to this court-packing scheme, and no later POTUS has ever attempted anything similar.

    So no, you cannot ever count on Democrats — or Republicans — to impeach a judge based on his rulings. That’s not listed as a basis for impeachment in the Constitution, and impeachment was intended by the Founders to be rare and difficult, a last resort.

    But you have many other earlier, better resorts, albeit indirect ones: Elect politicians who themselves are focused on the importance of judicial selections, and hold them accountable when they break of keep their promises. During the 2016 campaign season, Cruz and other Republicans maneuvered an otherwise inarticulate, insensitive, and frankly inexplicable Donald Trump into an unequivocal and very specific promise to select his SCOTUS nominees (not just the first one) from a list of specific names — a list that Trump didn’t compile, was incapable of compiling, and frankly didn’t care about other than an instrument of obtaining fealty and cooperation from Republicans who otherwise didn’t trust Trump on this subject.

    As I write this, there are many, many, many open spots on the federal district and appellate courts — seats for which Trump could and should have made nominations almost immediately after taking the oath himself. So you tell me: What’s more likely to be constructive? papertiger’s death threats, or your railing about impeachment in these comments? Or pressure on the POTUS we now have to use the Senate we now have to begin the process of counteracting the eight years’ worth of confirmations during the Obama Administration of judges who think the Constitution changes day to day depending on the intensity of their personal feelings?

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/28/2017 @ 1:42 pm

    I can only speak for myself, but my remarks about impeachment are based upon a degree of hyperbole over the left’s constant talk of impeaching the President as well as frustration with judges who don’t even pretend to couch their rulings with constitutional reasoning, but instead act as if the are Judge Dredd and are judge, jury and executioner.

    I do not see a solution. You say to use the ballot box, but how can we will a society of ill-educated malcontents who have been raised to believe that the government must give them things from others’ pockets and think that the ends justify the means.

    NJRob (04f95f)

  149. Continued

    To do what is truly in their best interests from a liberty based perspective instead of a pocketbook or social justice perspective.

    NJRob (04f95f)

  150. i didn’t understand your comment about doing better for America Mr. 57

    i’m sure you did just fine

    i’ll tell you how i make my cole slaw it’s so crazy simple

    i just run half a cabbage and 8-10 carrots through the chippy choppy food processor – this is super easy cause i have a fancy carrot peeler what peels a carrot in two shakes of a lamb’s tail

    throw all or part of that in a big mixing bowl

    add sriracha

    add some mayo

    add Ken’s Steak House® Lite Apple Cider Vinaigrette (which you can usually get on sale or bogo)

    the vinaigrette adds the right amount of sweetness plus it brings some preservatives to the party in case your slaw gets left out somewheres

    done and done!

    i usually put some of the veggie mix aside for garnishing salads and tacos or for to help along a soup stock for the next few days

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. How long did it take sessions to be confirmed how about rosenstein because of Sally fan dancer, which occasioned the comey removal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. NJRob, we certainly can agree that the Dems are, and always have been, prone to over-rev through impeachment fantasies. Of course they did so with Dubya, but they also did so with Reagan and Ford and of course Nixon. If you look hard enough, you can find Dems who howled for the impeachment of GHW Bush and even Eisenhower — there’s always a moving margin within the Dem party defining the then-current number of Dems who want to impeach every GOP POTUS, judge, officeholder, and it’s always a non-zero number.

    Right now in particular, they’re over-rev’g about Trump in general and impeachment in particular in order to try to divert themselves from the unpleasant task of trying to rebuild a credible national political party. The Denialist-in-Chief, of course, has reemerged, robed like a judge but with her pantsuit beneath, surely, to re-write the Twentieth Century’s history of POTUSes who actually were impeached for obstruction of justice and those who merely resigned on the brink of same. Tens of millions of Americans are still going through the stages of grief and acceptance from the 2016 election, including no few who’ve previously voted regularly for GOP candidates, but this sizeable plurality of America and majority of the Democratic Party is absolutely welded to denial.

    As for how to raise public awareness and understanding, that’s one of those “thousand points of light” issues. Some candidates and officeholders have a gift for educating and converting those who are educable, but that’s only one angle. There are volunteer and non-profit programs of all sorts that are devoted to other particular angles. And even participating in civil dialog in the comments section of a website like this one can, indeed, occasionally promote those goals.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  153. Feels like Jeff Probst is in the hizee.

    Pinandpuller (969159)

  154. I’m not for violent confrontations of any kind.

    I was a senior and there was a sophomore in my Latin class who would talk trash to me every day. He even taped a blade on a switchblade comb and said he was going to cut me. I did nothing.

    I’m 99% sure he stole my The Knack The Knack tape out of my Walkman.

    I was coming to class p*ssed off. I thought,”if he does one thing today…”

    As soon as I opened the door he threw a glass of water in my face.

    I threw him across the room. I put shoelace marks across his forehead. I got one day OSS.

    Totally worth it.

    Pinandpuller (969159)

  155. A Dem strategy for almost as long as I have been alive is to stress the system to its edges, knowing full well it was never designed for such. As REO Speedwagon sing, “Keep pushin’. Keep pushin’. Keep pushin on!” “Better to ask forgiveness than permission” is another way to look at it.

    The macro point in all this is that it is not possible to enact law which can overcome immoral and unethical ambition in man. If the culture does not create leadership which honors “fair play” there will de facto be no Rule of Law.

    Here we are. We’ve disgraced our own who sacrificed everything in faith that we would collectively continue to overcome man’s inherent tyrannies.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  156. hence driving the bible out of the public square was a critical element, the higher reaches of the socalled justice department, have operated like the tax collectors in ancient times, they extort their lot of protection, and keep the rest, this has become a regime slushfund, hence D’Souza is targeted as an example for those who would speak truth to power, but Corzine or the head of countrywide are untouchable,

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. Beldar, are you old enough to remember these?

    http://www.trbimg.com/img-4e9ae3e7/turbine/mlk_j69oh8nc/600/600×338

    Perhaps not surprisingly, googling the phrase impeach Warren brings up more links to Sen. Warren and her antiTrump stunts than it does to ones such as the above.

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  158. hHence do tho Bible.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  159. it not only enriched one’s moral stature, but it made for a much more rich vocabulary, the repository of two millennia of wisdom was thrown out,

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. evicting the bible from the public square maybe that was a problem i’m not sure but i’m inclined not to think so

    evicting the bible from education, particularly higher education

    that’s bred an appalling ignorance

    it helps explain why harvard princeton and yale are so filled with trashy and ignorant faculty and students, and the consequences of that are very dire

    especially since the one thing the right and left seem to agree on

    is that ivy league trash belong in charge

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  161. it’s all of a piece Pikachu, if it’s not in the schools, then the family is weakened, the church is collectively, because what is the purpose of man, this transitory world, which is nasty brutish and short, where the rule of the strong determines all, if law does not bind because it has no power on the hearts and mind of men and women,

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. i’m still not sure Mr. narciso

    i think part of the heritage of a pluralistic society needs must include, not wholesale eviction, but a certain amount of healthy constraint placed upon the presence of the bible in the public square

    and after poor bumbling reagan, the republican party lost all sense of any such concept

    only recently have they begun to realize their folly, how their obnoxious hyper-religiosity in the public square only served to accelerate and in some ways justify the eviction of their values from redoubts such as the humanities

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. that’s the chicken and egg question, the moral majority, came as a reaction to this barren public square, where marx freud and Darwin were the new gospel, no foundation can stand on that, not a city not a nation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. as a reaction

    or as an opportunistic parasite

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. there were always some that succumbed to self righteousness and greed, they forget we are in this world but not of it, what is different now is now the aberrant is portrayed as the norm, well that’s an old story as well, history has a way of rhyming if not repeating, but you can’t get away from the crazy now,

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. can’t argue that point

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  167. the process happened faster in Europe, partially because of the costs of both wars, that their faith institutions were already undermined, it lasted longer under franco, but his death just swept all the old institutions out of the way, if you follow those three wise man listed above, you get a world where your social condition is irreversible, man is the sum total of his or her appetites, and we are little more than animals on the scrap heap, we default to using govt to change the former, encouraging the second, and ignoring the third,

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. As for how to raise public awareness and understanding, that’s one of those “thousand points of light” issues. Some candidates and officeholders have a gift for educating and converting those who are educable, but that’s only one angle. There are volunteer and non-profit programs of all sorts that are devoted to other particular angles. And even participating in civil dialog in the comments section of a website like this one can, indeed, occasionally promote those goals.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/28/2017 @ 2:53 pm

    Volunteering and non-profit programs are more likely than not to be co-opted for leftist causes. If you keep it local, you can have an effect, but nationally you won’t even be a blip on the radar.

    Part of the reason dialogue has become so uncivil is that people in our public world are able to act uncivilly without repercussion. Yes, Trump is guilty of such coarsening of society, but he is only the latest act on the stage. We’ve been dealing with the Duranty’s of the world in the press and the Ted Kennedy’s of the world in politics for much longer. We see the left feel they can attack non-leftist speakers at will and get the support of mayors in Berkeley and NYC throws parades for unrepentant terrorists.

    We had the last President talk about bringing a gun to a knife fight and calling his opponents every nasty name in the book all the while being applauded for “speaking truth to power.” We see the left re-segregating on college campuses to protect them from whites and their “inherent racism” while claiming that they much deconstruct our nation because the Constitution is only for white men.

    I don’t see where you see any policy that’s fighting back successfully against the rampant tide of socialism and violence that is overtaking our land and successfully breaking us up upon any demographic lines possible. Show me where I’m wrong. Please.

    NJRob (520017)

  169. they must deconstruct*

    NJRob (520017)

  170. @ kish (#158): I’m certainly old enough to remember similar billboards if not those precise ones. Brown v. Board was 1954, and I was born in 1957. It took roughly a decade for Brown to filter down through the Fifth Circuit and into local district courts throughout the south.

    I attended a segregated (white & Latino only) elementary school in Lamesa, Texas, but an integrated junior high and high school — which reflects exactly when the desegregation order from U.S. District Judge Hal Woodward of the N.D. Texas (Lubbock) division so ordered (roughly 1968-1969 timeframe). There were certainly people in town who wanted to impeach Judge Woodward, even though he’d just been confirmed within the past year (an LBJ appointee and a conventional Texas yellow-dog Democrat, no one’s idea of a judicial activist or a political liberal).

    By then, I was the kid who’d already organized the straw poll of my fourth-grade elementary school classmates in November 1968, on the day before Nixon was elected. (Our poll, surprisingly perhaps, accurately predicted the margin by which Nixon would carry Texas.) My dad had been mayor of Lamesa when I was three years old. His father had been the most prominent Republican in Dawson County during the 1920s (it was admittedly a very short list), and hence had been Hardage, Coolidge & Hoover’s local postmaster (a very nice patronage job to supplement his wages as an auto parts merchant and sometimes schoolteacher). So our family is long on political junkies, to use the modern terminology, and I was very aware of all this stuff as it happened.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  171. Sorry to wax metaohorical, but we must know where this came from.

    As commendable as brown was it was based on the use of statistics rather than law erhapd this was necessary because how reconstruction ended up

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. @ NJRob (#57), who wrote:

    I don’t see where you see any policy that’s fighting back successfully against the rampant tide of socialism and violence that is overtaking our land and successfully breaking us up upon any demographic lines possible. Show me where I’m wrong. Please.

    I haven’t ever undertaken to craft or announce such a policy. I’m not claiming to have all, or most, of the “correct answers” or “magical fixes”; there may indeed be none.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  173. So Engel v vitale came loosely from pierce, Griswold came out of nowhere, and for from the shadows of the former

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. I haven’t ever undertaken to craft or announce such a policy. I’m not claiming to have all, or most, of the “correct answers” or “magical fixes”; there may indeed be none.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/28/2017 @ 8:06 pm

    If I wasn’t clear I didn’t mean to imply you were responsible for such a policy. I only meant I don’t see one that exists in society and was asking where you might have seen such a policy.

    By your response, do I take it that you do not see one either?

    NJRob (520017)

  175. @145 happyfeet

    Maybe you could hold mr tiger’s replies in escrow.

    Pinandpuller (986b5e)

  176. i miss him Mr. Pin&puller he’s a spirited defender of liberty

    and a good person besides

    he always greets you with a smile, even when he disagrees with you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. “Cue the boring moralizing and sanctimonious whimpering of the femmy, bow-tied, submissive branch of conservatism whose obsolete members were shocked to find themselves left behind by the masses to whom these geeks’ sinecures were not the most important objective of the movement. This is where they sniff, “We’re better than that,” and one has to ask ,“Who’s we?” Because, by nature, people are not better than that. They are not designed to sit back and take it while they are abused, condescended to, and told by a classless ruling class that there are now two sets of rules and – guess what? –the old rules are only going to be enforced against them.

    We don’t like the new rules – I’d sure prefer a society where no one was getting attacked, having walked through the ruins of a country that took that path – but we normals didn’t choose the new rules. The left did. It gave us Ferguson, Middlebury College, Berkeley, and “Punch a Nazi” – which, conveniently for the left, translates as “punch normals.” And many of us have had personal experiences with this New Hate – jobs lost, hassles, and worse. Some scumbags at an anti-Trump rally attacked my friend and horribly injured his dog. His freaking dog.

    So when we start to adopt their rules, they’re shocked? Have they ever met human beings before? It’s not a surprise. It’s inevitable.”

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/29/liberals-are-shocked-to-find-were-starting-to-hate-them-right-back-n2332712

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. It certainly applies to, “What about when they hit conservatives with a lock in a sock and the liberal media didn’t care?” Yeah, what about that? Where was the sackcloth and ashes act from Schumer, Pelosi, and Felonia von Pantsuit when our side was being bloodied and beaten? There wasn’t one, because the left supports us getting bloodied and beaten. It likes the zesty zing of violence. It makes them feel big and tough and edgy, except that it starts being a heck of a lot less fun when we right-wingers start adopting the same rules and punching back.

    Mr. Schlichter is clearly threatening violence he’s just inside the margins of protected Free Speech

    this is how you get banned

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  179. Schlicter is the bad cop to the Gorilla man’s good cop.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  180. Sigh…

    “this is how you get banned”

    No, Mr. Feet: harassing Patterico about his rules on his site for which he pays is a great way to get banned.

    Sooner or later he will have enough of your nonsense. Patterico has been very, very patient with you.

    Me? I maintain you stink the place up with your insulting repetitive nonsense. I know you are capable of being coherent and decent, but you prefer pissing on Patterico every opportunity you get.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  181. i didn’t say banned *here* picklehead just in general

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. Mr. Schlichter doesn’t even comment here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. Sorry, happyfeet, but this is not the Constitutional Convention of 1789. It’s Patterico’s blog. I don’t want Patterico getting a subpoena for papertiger’s IP address, and even less having people say “That’s that guy with that blog where people threaten judges”. papertiger can get his own blog to test the limits of free speech. Just Google “Blogger”. It’s free and it’s easy.

    nk (dbc370)

  184. No, HF, you were trying to troll Patterico, of course. That’s your thing. It’s tiresome.

    What nk wrote is important. And even if that was not true, it is Patterico’s blog. Period.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  185. oh my goodness y’all are off and running on a tangent what has nothing to do with me!

    all i’ve said on the matter is i don’t think Mr. papertiger intended any threat

    also that i don’t believe he is a nazi

    by referencing Mr. Shlichter’s passage in the article what our friend Mr. narciso found, i mean only to expand on the general observation that more and more, people are expressing a shocking lack of faith in institutions and, indeed, the very sustainability of civil society

    nobody heard them, the dead institutions

    but still they lay moaning:

    we were much further out than you thought

    and not waving but drowning

    this is a theme we’ll revisit many times in the coming days with or without Mr. papertiger’s input

    the curse of living in interesting times, we’re all in its malevolent grip

    but only some of us have tasty hot dogs to grill

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. People Unclear on the Concept. Nk has a wonderful suggestion: go create your own blog. You might even become serious, and a bit more housebroken.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  187. actually Mr. nk was suggesting that as a recourse for our banned friend Mr. papertiger

    me personally I don’t want to create a blog

    number one i hate registration forms

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. It’s a wonderful suggestion. I hope you take it, because it would encourage more honesty and coherency in your posts, as you used to write. I’m quite serious.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  189. Well, then, watch this Nero Wolfe mystery movie, that I think you will enjoy, and you will know whether you will enjoy it (and the reason I think that) in the first five minutes.

    nk (dbc370)

  190. nonono you misunderstand

    comments are whispers

    blog posts are altogether more stentorian

    me i choose but to whisper

    and you know what?

    that’s ok

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. ok i cued up the movie I’ll give it a go when I have my hot dogs later

    i been having a heck of a time finding anything decent on netflix

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  192. err… queued

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. i been having a heck of a time finding anything decent on netflix

    Tell me about it. It’s a wasteland. However, Spy Time, a subtitled Spanish spy-comedy movie is very good. And the two Monkey King movies, subtitled Chinese. If you have not already seen Nevada Smith, a revenge western with Steve McQueen, Brian Keith and Martin Landau, that’s a pretty good one too.

    nk (dbc370)

  194. oh thank you i’m bookmarking this

    speaking of wastelands by the way

    Into The Badlands was a fun little treat i thought – only 8 episodes – i kinda wish i’d saved it for when i could’ve done two seasons in one go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. trying to get through the last season of Hemlock Grove

    the performances are wonderful, the production quality A++

    but it’s flirting with a nihilism what seems forced and discordant with what we saw in seasons one and two

    two more episodes to go maybe it pulls it out

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. You may or may not recall, but we have been hosting a duck hen in our backyard who’d decided to build a nest amid some cover afforded by a waterfall that feeds our pool. As I sat in the nook drinking my first cup this morning, I noticed some ripples in the pool and thought, well the duck’s in the pool before making her usual morning fly-off but then saw 9 little newborn ducklings 🐥 trailing behind her. I told my wife and we monitored the situation and opened a gate. About 45 minutes or so later, we provided an escort for two blocks as the 9 ducklings 🐥 followed their mama over to the lake. The procession was about as cute as one could imagine. Only saw and chased one cat 🐱 away.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  197. “Patriot” on Amazon is very entertaining.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. Ah yes a&e should have been sent to the glue factory for what they did with that series, before it became a den of reality tv and csi miami.

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. The whole series had great production values wonderful acting not only The late Mr. Chaikin’s part but Tim (name escapes) and Kari matchett.

    narciso (d1f714)

  200. spring’s the best thing ever

    breeding baby ducks

    out of backyard waterfalls

    plus also there’s grilled hot dogs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  201. One might argue that is what happened to them,

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. Tim Hutton. And Saul Rubinek is there too. I first saw Chaykin as a boss hitman in “Jerry and Tom”, a Mamet-style movie with Joe Mantegna, directed by Saul Rubinek, and I was very impressed.

    nk (dbc370)

  203. Yes Hutton, Chaykin I first noticed inncarl Franklin’s devil in a blue dress, a good adaptation of Walter Mosley

    narciso (d1f714)

  204. Similar thing happened to bravo, whichever of he’ll are they on

    narciso (d1f714)


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