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8/18/2016

On-Point Quote of the Day

Filed under: General — JVW @ 1:28 pm



[guest post by JVW]

Jim Geraghty at National Review Online: “I’m so old, I remember when it was a big deal when a president vacationed as Louisiana was devastated by floods.”

Count me as one of those curmudgeons who thinks that the photo-ops where politicians show how “caring” they are by bringing their huge entourage into a disaster zone is stupefyingly counterproductive. Roads are blocked, thinly-stretched resources are diverted to security, and people are highly inconvenienced all for that ten-second clip on the nightly news where the politician looks grimly determined as he or she offers a reassuring hug to a victim (a child or senior citizen being the optimal image here). When wildfires reached my cousin’s Southern California community during the Schwarzenegger era, I remember her complaining about what a hassle it had been when Arnie made an appearance on the scene, gubernatorial staff and news crew in tow, and everything came to a halt while people patiently waited for him to go through the compassion routine. It really bugged her and she otherwise didn’t have a problem with Schwarzenegger’s policies or his politics.

And to Geraghty’s point, I too remember when Bush was excoriated for inspecting the Hurricane Katrina damage high above from Marine One rather than on the ground surrounded by Secret Service, assorted undersecretaries, Louisiana politicos, and Cokie Roberts. Why is it then that the titans of opinion-making are so sanguine about the latest floods failing to distract President Obama from important golfing matters? Is it because we now all accept that Obama has been phoning it in for some time now? Is it because deep down the media knows that politicians appearing on scene is contrived and detrimental? Or is it as basic as the idea that some politicians are beyond reproach, while others are to be criticized at every available opportunity?

– JVW

95 Responses to “On-Point Quote of the Day”

  1. Yes.

    Simon Jester (cff76b)

  2. Bush didn’t know how to fight back

    he was from a deeply silly family and not a very bright person on top of that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. You must be a RACIST!!!

    Our president works VERY, VERY HARD!

    The American people WANT him to have time off.

    Remember when that stupid American got his head cut off by disrespecting ISIS!?

    Well our President made a very, very big deal out of it — taking time out of his golf game, no less — to comment on the foolish behavior of that lapsed American.

    You MUST be a Trumpkin to have posted such a thing!

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  4. Is it because we now all accept that Obama has been phoning it in for some time now?

    Is it because deep down the media knows that politicians appearing on scene is contrived and detrimental?

    Or is it as basic as the idea that some politicians are beyond reproach, while others are to be criticized at every available opportunity?

    I love multiple choice tests. They know it’s number one. They couldn’t care less about number two.
    So I guess the answer I number three.

    Don’t forget to give happyfeet a participation trophy.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  5. At the time of Katrina, wasn’t it Kanye West who accused Bush of not caring about black people affected by the floods?
    I wonder what Kanye is doing this week when he’s not busy getting busy with Kim Kardashian.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  6. Of course its door number 3!

    ONLY a racist would question Dear, Dear President Obama’s motives.

    OH…THIS JUST IN!

    Those 3 WHITE American swimmers in Brasil done tore up a gas station and are being held by the Brazilian Police… they will release the swimmers once Obama sends an unmarked jet carrying a pallet of $300 Million Dollars in unmarked mixed currencies and denominations, though this money is only to enhance relations and a good will gesture in honor of the enduring friendship of the USA and Brasil.

    Once the money is received and counted, the swimmers will be released to lap up their glory and go home, although their release has nothing to do with money and will only be a coincidence in timing since the pilot of the jet is also the clerk in charge of signing their release papers.

    Since Obama was golfing when this happened, he indeed took door number one.
    For those interested, it was 3 AM when he took the call.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  7. I don’t think Kim Kardashian swings her husbands way if you know what I mean.

    Donald (bd230b)

  8. he’s gayer than the opening ceremony and the closing ceremony combined plus the part where you have to swim in poo poo water

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. For liberals, including most of the MSM, getting Obama elected was the triumph of a lifetime. They need Obama to go down in history as a good president, so that some other minority (or woman) can get elected.

    Remember all talk about him being “like a god”, a “light worker”, and suchlike. No one says anything like that any more.

    The problem is that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to cover up the fact that the Obama presidency has been an unmitigated disaster in nearly every way. The big nightmare now for the left/MSM is that Obama will gain the reputation as being the worst president in US history, and that may mean the voters will shy away from minorites and women (unless they’re Republican).

    People are starting to refer to him as a fool, a failure, a slacker.

    The left/MSM can’t totally paper over all the failures and fuckups but they’re trying hard to paper over as much as they can.

    [Pulled this one from moderation too, but in the future be careful of using the f-word in the comments. – JVW]

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  10. No one #nevertrump can imagine would have made as good a pitch to Black America:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/the-trump-speech-that-will-win-him-the-presidency.php

    I’m sorry to say so, but youse guys are dead meat.

    DNF (ffe548)

  11. because it’s about power, and kanye was affiliated with color of change, and van jones, and the ruckus institute, honestly it’s as if you have forgotten what has happened in the last eight years, and so has Glenn Beck, who has become crazier than Alex Jones, and that still takes skill.

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. Obama needs to be in leg irons

    mg (31009b)

  13. Two days late now.

    He really should just do a presser, delineate those officials/agencies delegated to manage the situation and how much better those agencies are now at responding than during Katrina.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. They did this to W because it’s what they WANTED to do, and when they don’t want to do it, they don’t do it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  15. Hope is the thing with badgers
    That roost upon its head
    And rants demented homilies
    To those whose brains are dead.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. If Trump promised to arrest Obama as his first act as President, he’d get my vote.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. no this was exactly was intended, russia was connected to syria to iran, but he was also playing the emirates, the kingdom and the sultanate, for lack of a better term,

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. as michael doran, and oren kessler thusly pointed out,

    narciso (732bc0)

  19. Why did Barack allow this flooding to happen?
    Maybe he hates black people.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. If he jails the Bobby jones wannabe he will get his own mnt. Rushmore.

    mg (af411c)

  21. back in the day, one would be denied reading the volkischer or the asashi, (was that the major tabloid in interwar period)

    http://www.clarionproject.org/factsheets-files/islamic-state-magazine-dabiq-fifteen-breaking-the-cross.pdf

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. Ted has his integrity.
    And very few give a shite.

    mg (31009b)

  23. ted sore loser cruz showed everyone and their dog he doesn’t have the character of a leader

    on top of making a huge ass of himself

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. HUGE

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. Is Rick Perry running for the U.S. Senate, or did gatewaypundit just get tired of looking at sexually explicit pictures of the San Francisco gay parade?

    nk (dbc370)

  26. Moderation for no cuss words?

    [The moderation catches British spellings of cuss words too, mg. But I fished out your comment so it should be there now. – JVW]

    mg (31009b)

  27. it’s the texas tribune, like that dna site for chitown, the daily snews, their alaskan counterpart,

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. Or was it because I bad mouthed dead Ted.

    mg (31009b)

  29. 27. Mebee you should read the article, abogado.

    Contest is 2018 and no one has declared. Castro was also polled versus Cruz and came up a little short.

    DNF (ffe548)

  30. only half of Texas Republicans want Cruz to be their candidate for Senate again in 2018 is what it says Mr. DNF

    that’s cause they don’t like him i bet

    (they think he’s a pooper)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. licensiado is the cognate, don’t know the greek word,

    but I read scott turow, kindle county was a reasonable simulacrum,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. Trump in Charlotte, NC tonight, uninterrupted by media filter, was actually quite good.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Naughty too-old-to-be-boys:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/18/heres-the-gas-station-surveillance-video-of-the-lochte-incident-in-brazil/

    In Maracaibo, back in 1993 while Hugo was in prison I traversed 25 feet of one way ‘traffic’ to return a rented car. The constable had me drive him a hundred yards from the terminal and accepted the $20 fine and let me proceed.

    That ain’t robbery just the cost of doing business.

    DNF (ffe548)

  34. I grabbed Steven Den Beste’s comment from moderation too. It is this one. Just a reminder that the moderation catches cuss words.

    JVW (b186dd)

  35. #29 nk,

    You didn’t even mention Roy Cohn! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  36. Here is what is wrong with our little comments section, in a nutshell.

    Emphasis on the “nut.”

    Mr. Feet, after first asserting that GWB is “not very smart,” goes on to attack Ted Cruz in a post not about Ted Cruz, with the following:

    “…on top of making a huge ass of himself…”.

    Now, honestly, if we start collecting the things that Ted Cruz has said that were objectionable, and compared them to the things Donald Trump has said that were objectionable…

    You can see where I am going.

    So many people are acting like Trump right now. Without the building anything part. Just the loudmouth dishonest repeating bizarre statements part.

    Good Lord above.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  37. 34. Like #nevertrump, ‘does not play well with others’.

    DNF (ffe548)

  38. Mebee you should read the article, abogado.

    Gatewaypundit? Not as long as I can find Three Stooges cartoons on YouTube.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. well you know snarkmeister better than moi, he comes across as discount david spade,

    I have made my objections in the primary plain, why I voted for Ted, but I’ve broken my lance
    way too many times, memes run on the grapevine*, as well as the journolist,

    *this was the rightleaning gravy train, against ibrahim, from malay,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAjWtnGihYA#t=4243

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. i disagree Mr. Jester number one George W Bush has a very embarrassing legacy of fail in all respects

    he idiotically got thousands of our own soldiers killed (and for what please to show me)

    spent a chinese donkey butt load of borrowed money to no effect overseas or here at home (that’s a huge amount)

    and he ushered in the food stamp era and one of the most epic and humiliating political defeats in world history when his dumb-ass and incredibly deluded brother Jeb tried to follow in his illustrious footsteps

    thanks for playing George

    As far as harvardtrash Ted goes, I was one of the first and loudest to point out that he was casting his net far far too narrowly to have a chance at winning – and I was right! This is because I am very perspicacious. He should’ve listened to me but he was too arrogant.

    He won’t even lift a finger to help beat that stinkypig, which is reflective of his generally poor character I think.

    All in all I am very very saddened by both of these sorry excuses for Texans George Bush and Ted sore loser Cruz.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. You didn’t even mention Roy Cohn! (LOL)

    And you don’t know Gatewaypudit.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. So many people are acting like Trump right now. Without the building anything part.

    To be fair, most of us aren’t very good at manipulating government programs to pass the costs on to others, nor are we so unbothered by bankruptcy.

    JVW (b186dd)

  43. as with everything, caveat lector, now if not for the huntress’s aid, would perry have prevailed against hutchinson, doubtful, her assistance was also valuable against dewhurst,

    ps, instead of mcguffin, they should have enlisted him, he was the hero of la paz for the company, had significant business and public service experience, ‘but no one listens to zathras’

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. 40. You conveniently forget “as advertised”. Sen. Cruz let us all believe he was a stand up guy, in that he would do everything possible to restore Constitutional government.

    But as soon as he found the trailer trash and bible thumpers cared more about their paychecks he opted for litigious circumvention of their majorities’ will.

    DJT was never put out as a stand up guy, a straight arrow. You are arguing assuming a pass on hypocrisy.

    Not very adult of you.

    DNF (ffe548)

  45. mere stupidity is not unique to this end of the atlantic,

    Um, if you couldn’t immediately tell that this is a joke, even without looking at the source, then you’re thicker than a jaffa cake.

    Now look at the other stories on the site. Does even one of them look like it might be true? It’s the Daily Mash, forcryinoutloud.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  46. the ravishing mrs berlinski was part of that grapevine, along with domenech and others we recognize, so it’s dissapointing but not surprising she would take this tack

    https://ricochet.com/trump-and-expatriatism/

    one could cite the daily telegraph, about this intent,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. Cruz stood by, as his father from the pulpit announced him ‘anointed by God for this hour’.

    Just to review Jeremiah, when the prophet’s word is not honored, one knows for certain it was not of God.

    DNF (ffe548)

  48. Trump speaks for me. Thank the lord it’s not mittens. The biggest quitter in presidential history.

    mg (af411c)

  49. 52. I’m waiting for nk to disqualify Jeremiah. Not a Greek.

    DNF (ffe548)

  50. Sen. Cruz let us all believe he was a stand up guy, in that he would do everything possible to restore Constitutional government. But as soon as he found the trailer trash and bible thumpers cared more about their paychecks he opted for litigious circumvention of their majorities’ will.

    The constitution protects a political party’s right to nominate whomever it damn well pleases, and forbids any purported law that would empower voters to dictate that decision. Primaries exist only by courtesy of the parties, and no party can ever be required to accept a primary result it doesn’t like.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  51. is that your final answer,

    Um, yes. Why wouldn’t it be? How does that story support the obvious parody that you posted as proof of stupidity?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  52. As for not negotiating with terrorists, since everyone in UK politics seems to expect Israel to do that, why shouldn’t they?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  53. 53. Snicker. At the next Ecumenical Council, Your Holiness.

    nk (dbc370)

  54. what is there to negotiate, is the question, as the link in at 24 points out?

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. What is there to negotiate with any enemy? If you can’t defeat him you have to come to an arrangement of some kind. Or at least that’s what Smith, Corbyn, Cameron, May, and damn near everyone else keep telling Israel.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  56. My point is the silly story about jaffa cakes was obviously a joke, and should have cued you in to the nature of the publication.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  57. for what it’s worth,

    ttp://www.theamericanmirror.com/obamas-job-trump-visit-louisiana-flood-victims-friday/

    recall obama’s demagoguery over the stafford funding, he and solon preferring the gravina bridge over reconstruction funds,

    narciso (732bc0)

  58. On a somewhat off topic problem, the national debt (about 18 Trillion, I believe) will have an impact on joint governmental agency proposals for more consumer protections regarding drivers, which they are believed will have a long term impact on vehicle emissions.

    In addition to recommending a device that will prevent texting while driving (thus making drivers more task efficient and safe) the agencies are recommending “back up warnings” fitted to all passenger vehicles by 2020.

    Given budgetary constraints, pictured in the link is a prototype, which emits a high pitched “squeal” they call it, when the driver puts the car in reverse. Democrats think a modest gasoline tax increase will do the job.

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-esGe0xRKPq4/VFHFxp4tzDI/AAAAAAAAF_I/wDtZm2PXI0A/s2560/1414645187530.jpeg

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  59. the dems had earlier weaponized hurricane andrew, a decade earlier, walkin’ lawton refused to call a state of emergency until several days in, to make bush sr. look petty by comparison,

    narciso (732bc0)

  60. he idiotically got thousands of our own soldiers killed (and for what please to show me)

    These would be the soldiers you’ve previously called “tatted up illiterates”, right douchefeet, you insufferable moron?

    Jack Klompus (cde009)

  61. you can’t get mad at david spade, well you can but there’s little point, he’s misogynist, anti military, anti law enforcement, but you’ve given him a place at your table,

    narciso (732bc0)

  62. It’s a pretty pathetic act I agree.

    Jack Klompus (cde009)

  63. I wonder what his reaction is, to be thrown under the bus like this,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/290402-ny-times-hillary-told-the-f-b-i-that-colin-powell-told-her-to-use-private-email/

    narciso (732bc0)

  64. These days, Colin Powell will probably take one for Team Democrat.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. yes, it’s rhetorical, even though the law had been changed since his term in office,

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. Hillary did nothing that other SOS’s didn’t do. Colin Powell also had a server and used private email, Hillary has said, and the FBI has said that Hillary was honest when they were doing her security review.

    Please get with the program and be honest seminators.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  67. It’s because one is an anti-American communist and the other is George W Bush.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  68. of course can you also contrast with how stay puft let him off the hook,

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/shock-poll-trumps-black-support-grows-6x-after-milwaukee-appeal/

    narciso (732bc0)

  69. Colin Powell certainly did not have his own email server. He wouldn’t know one if he tripped on it. He used AOL, because there was no government email at the time, and certainly no rules about preserving email as official records.

    The FBI said Clinton was honest with them, not that she was honest with the public. She told them the truth; what she told other people is not their concern.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  70. @73- States computers didn’t have access to the web when Powell was SoS. And AOL/web access in his time, even w/dial-up on a personal account, was primitive and quite limited by todays standards. He was still in the era of cables and fax machines and floppy diskettes. Comparing his time to HRC’s is not really wise.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. If Trump is JR Ewing and Hillary is Maude then Ted Cruise is Joe Isuzu.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  72. PaleoConservative Buchanan:

    on the mega-issue, America’s desire for change, and on specific issues, Trump holds something close to a full house.

    The country wants the border secured and immigration vetting toughened to keep out the kind of terrorists who committed the atrocity in San Bernardino.

    The country wants an end to the trade deficits with China and the endless export of U.S. factories and manufacturing jobs.

    On Americanism versus globalism, the country is with Trump. On an America First foreign policy that keeps us out of trillion-dollar, no-win Middle East wars, the country is with Trump.

    On Teddy Roosevelt’s “Speak softly, and carry a big stick,” Ike’s “Peace through strength,” and JFK’s “Let us never fear to negotiate,” the country is with Trump.

    Americans may not love Vladimir Putin, but they do not wish to go to war with Russia, which we avoided in half a century of Cold War.

    Americans do not want to go nation-building abroad, but to start the nation-building at home. On coming down with both feet on rioters, looters, arsonists and Black-Lives-Matter haters who call cops “pigs,” America is all in with Donald Trump.

    DNF (755a85)

  73. 76. Yes, and we are going to get what passes for honesty in some redacted form. A few in Congress have clearance and are reviewing the tapes presently.

    DNF (755a85)

  74. 71. And Louis Farrakhan too, for that matter.

    DNF (755a85)

  75. 55. Yes, nk made that point multiple times. But just forget in this day, this age, this recovery, with this citizenry of being taken as serious, honest, respected for ignoring and disenfranchising the voters for your ‘Partee’.

    The Convention Rules Committee shutdown your avenue your recourse to ‘respectability’.

    They unlike #nevertrump are not batsh!t cwazy.

    DNF (755a85)

  76. If people’s points of reference were not stupid TV shows and stupid TV commercials maybe their electoral choices would not be so stupid and they themselves would not be so stupid.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. By way of contrast, this is what leadership looks like:

    “The main victims of these riots are law-abiding African-American citizens living in these neighborhoods. It is their jobs, their homes, their schools and communities which will suffer as a result. There is no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct. Crime and violence is an attack on the poor, and will never be accepted in a Trump Administration.”
    —Donald Trump, Speech in Milwaukee

    Source: BREITBART: Shock Poll: Trump’s Black Support Grows 6X in Week

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  78. That is what they call a historic speech.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  79. 29. nk (dbc370) — 8/18/2016 @ 4:55 pm

    Is Rick Perry running for the U.S. Senate,

    This is most likely a name thrown into a poll. They’re polling Ted Cruz’ prospects of losing the 2018 Republican primary. Rather than using a made up name, or “generic candidate” or somebody very obscure, they offer a known person as the alternative in a 2-way race, with the idea of getting a more realistic result.

    There may or may not be any basis for the considering the possibility that Rick Perry would run for the U.S. Senate in 2018.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  80. nk (dbc370) — 8/19/2016 @ 5:06 am

    All that stuff is what is taken for participation in today’s society; do that, and you are considered relevant.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  81. Trump’s Black Support Grows 6X in Week

    From 1.5% to almost 15%. They probably also push-polled a bit.

    This is an illustration of the fact that asking, and campaigning helps, even if the poll had to call attention to it. Democrats usually try to discourage this sort of thing by arguing to Republicans that they are only increasing turnout by trying to appeal to heavily Democratic audiences. But really, asking – even one piece of direct mail – helps. There’s a net benefit, especially for top level races, and everything else is decided by gerrymandering most of the time anyway. There could be no more place to campaign than a place where 70% or more of the vote is going to go to your opponent; no place where the campaigning and the advertising is more cost and time effective, but most people involved in polictics don’t realie that yet.

    Not only does asking and campaigning help in making the results more even, but by getting the percentage for the Democrat in certain precincts below 98%, and even below 90%, it makes any kind of fraud more difficult.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  82. Watch, regurgitate, repeat.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  83. Trump’s Black Support Grows 6X in Week

    Little Billy Jefferson declared today that he had persuaded his four grandparents and one great-aunt to join him in supporting Trump. “It wasn’t easy”, Little Billy said, “but I think I clinched it when I told them old folks gotta stick together no matter if they black and white”. When asked why he, himself, was supporting Trump, Little Billy replied, “Obama never did buy me that bicycle that I axed him for. I don’t know that Trump will, either, but maybe he might.”

    nk (dbc370)

  84. Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/18/2016 @ 10:24 pm

    The FBI said Clinton was honest with them, not that she was honest with the public. She told them the truth; what she told other people is not their concern. Kimberley Strassel writes in today’s Wall Street Journal (page A9) that FBI Director James Comey departed from his usual practice in conducting investigations, in that he waited to interview Mrs. Clinton’s last. His past procedure has been to interrogate immediately.

    What is being turned over to the members of the House’s Oversight, Judiciary and Appropriations Committees and some members of their staff, would mainly be the 302s. Usually the way an FBI interview works is that they write out in advance what they want to ask. No recording is made and no verbatim transcript made, but instead one FBI agent asks the questions and the other summarizes the answers.

    Hillary Clinton had several lawyers with her too, so they could object for her, saying she didn’t know or didn’t remember or wasn’t prepared, or simply that this wasn’t on the list of topics.

    No member of Congress is being alllowed to say publicly what he finds there. First of all, this is being treated as the most highly possible classified information. The documents are being kept in a Sensitive Compartment Information Facility (SCIF) underneath the Capitol which is udner lock, key and guard. Originally nobody was allowed to take notes, but now, yesterday, they agreed that notes could be taken but said they had to be left behind in the room. At least that way one member of Congress or a staff member can direct another where to look and what to look at.

    Only one copy was sent to Congress, and viewing is by appointment only. One at a time, presumably.

    Some documents are redacted, and some of the redactions came at the request of the State Department, which, remember, has people who helped hide the whole fact of a secret email server from Congress for a long time, until Hillary had supplied all email (they thought) from her or to her that went to or from a state.gov address, which she declared was all the work related e-mail.

    Judicial Watch recently obtained 44 e-mails from some of her aides, who also used clintonemail.com but also had a state.gov address.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  85. Trump’s Black Support Grows 6X in Week

    The 6X may be inflated, but it doesn’t surprise me that Trump’s black support could go up significantly as a result of appealing directly to blacks. Most R’s can’t conceive of doing that, or can’t figure out how to do it.

    Gerald A (945582)

  86. The 6X may be inflated, but it doesn’t surprise me that Trump’s black support could go up significantly as a result of appealing directly to blacks. Most R’s can’t conceive of doing that, or can’t figure out how to do it.

    Really? Every single candidate has done so.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  87. I see Trump just flew in on his helicopter. Didn’t seem to be straining local resources very much, maybe 5 or 6 guys. Probably taking tour in one or two land rovers. Plenty of photo ops though.

    tonynoboloney (280edb)


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