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8/11/2016

Scarborough: I Never Supported Trump, You Know

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:39 am



Scarborough: I Was Never a Trump Supporter, I Was Just Telling Elites They Had Their Heads In The Sand.

Allahpundit reminds us of this:

[A]t NBCUniversal’s headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Center, Scarborough’s relationship with the Republican presidential frontrunner has become a subject of frustration among staff, and an increasingly problematic issue for the network’s top brass.

In background discussions, NBC News and MSNBC journalists, reporters and staffers said there was widespread discomfort at the network over Scarborough’s friendship with Trump and his increasingly favorable coverage of the candidate.

“People don’t like that Joe is promoting Trump,” one MSNBC insider said. Others described Scarborough’s admiration for Trump as “over the top” and “unseemly.”

One day, a lot of people will be telling us all about how they never really supported Trump. Can’t wait until Rush and Hannity join the list. When they do, their revisionist history will look a lot like Scarborough’s.

199 Responses to “Scarborough: I Never Supported Trump, You Know”

  1. Hannity will have to delete all the nekkid selfies he sent Trump.

    SPQR (8c016f)

  2. Friends don’t take morning joke seriously, mind you Norma Desmond was on rubio’s team, so it’s between scylla and charybdis.

    narciso (732bc0)

  3. Everybody on the left wanted Trump over Cruz, or anybody else for that matter. Trump is the only one Hillary has a chance of defeating.

    This is all so predictable:

    We’ll build you up
    Donald Trump baby
    So we’ll tear you down
    After the convention baby
    And you know we will
    But you love us still
    Cause you’re such a clown
    You want the publicity baby

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Now mind you air America tv is still third in the ratings.

    narciso (732bc0)

  5. Scarborough is like schemp after 2004, I think they pushed the blackmail angle too stringly

    narciso (732bc0)

  6. Everybody who is anybody is down on the Great White Satan:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/10/democrat-plot-to-prop-up-never-trump-republican-revealed/

    Fortunately they are all really, abysmally stupid. #nevertrump as evidenced in these pages has nothing, cero, Null, miden to discuss but their visceral dislike for comb-overs, hot wives, corporate bankruptcies and worst of all, speaking off-the-cuff in front of microphones.

    What a lame assembly of ‘effing mercenary lawyers.

    DNF (ffe548)

  7. Post some lutefisk recipes then, so we can talk about something else.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. 5. Reminds me more of a successfully rehabbed/12 stepped Matthew Perry. Same network, same period of height-of-power (’94).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  9. 7. How’s about another ancestral foible:

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/chilling-mountaintop-find-may-confirm-dark-greek-legend/

    We gots infanticide, homopederasty, etc., already.

    Or jobs Americans won’t do:

    http://www.freshplaza.com/article/161843/Apple-picking-robots-headed-for-the-farm

    What does #nevertrump intend to do with all the entitled immigrants collecting welfare, food stamps and Obamaneycare?

    DNF (ffe548)

  10. Reflection of resignation toward “Madame President” and the need to legislatively curb her worst urges – or proof of Bradley Effect in presidential polling?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-republican-senators-polls-2016-8

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  11. I grew up within walking distance of Kaiada, the Spartan version of the Tarpeian rock, which according to legend was used to dispose of deformed infants and old people, as well as criminals and prisoners of war. Any homicide except during war was considered a defilement to classical Greeks so there were special places of execution.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Trump is the only one Hillary has a chance of defeating.

    You keep repeating this, as if saying it over and over will make it true. It didn’t work for “Trump only wins open primaries”, it didn’t work for “Trump can on get 30% of the vote in a primary” and it didn’t work with “Once the other candidates drop out, Cruz will crush Trump”. Of course, when Trump wins in November, you will move on the the next “fact” to push your agenda.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  13. From an article noting the recent coincidental rape and murders of three middle-class female joggers:

    The establishment media is producing many stories about black criminals being shot in sharp encounter with police officers, but is ignoring the nationwide rise in crime as President Barack Obama pushes his “stigmatize-and-federalize” campaign against local and state law enforcement agencies.

    Obama is using clever word-play to hide the crime rise since 2015. “Ronald Reagan called America ‘a shining city on a hill.’ Donald Trump calls it ‘a divided crime scene’ that only he can fix,” Obama said at the Democratic National Convention. “It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades, because he’s not offering any real solutions to those issues.”

    This is the irrefutable future of an HRC ascension, local police will be further marginalized and Federales will assume control over the heads of municipalities.

    DNF (ffe548)

  14. 11. For my part I will not defend lutefisk or aspics.

    DNF (ffe548)

  15. All you just said, prowlerguy, is that Trump is inevitable and Hillary has no chance of defeating him. Well, well, dear me, you don’t say. Might as well swear him in right now and let him go on that long vacation until January 20.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. prowlerguy,

    Trump is going to get crushed in November. We will probably lose our majority in the Senate, too.
    That means Hillary and Chuckie Schumer will rule the roost for the next 4 years.

    By the way, since you assert Trump’s going to win, can you kindly inform us which of the states Barack won in 2012 are going to be won by Trump?
    Thank you.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  17. 12. Or the #nevertrump corollary, Trump and the future he will usher in is every bit as bad as that posed by Hillary.

    Not once has #nevertrump itemized a comparsion of the evils to befall us.

    They are Alinsky disciples, casting sladerous aspersions and inarticulate claims of potential behavior.

    DNF (ffe548)

  18. Y’all just remember, a vote for Johnson/Stein/declined-to-vote is a vote for Hillary! I for one do not want to watch/hear that pantload for four years….

    champ (56cd04)

  19. What a lame assembly of ‘effing mercenary lawyers.

    A toast: to America’s next Barrator-in-Chief, of either sex!

    JP (bd5dd9)

  20. Of course, when Trump wins in November, you will move on the the next “fact” to push your agenda.

    Agenda? More like goth girls cutting themselves to teach daddy a lesson.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  21. Usually catch ‘MJ’ every weekday morning. Background noise… but become hard to endure of late.

    Morning Joe Scarborough has the gravitas of weak tea. He is without doubt the consummate name-dropping, cable news azz-clown who has been dining out on his time in Congress 20 years ago far too long.

    The program is actually better when its namesake is not on it.

    Google the moment on YouTube when sidedish Mika (fired from CBS News BTW) turned red with embarrassment as her pappy, Zbig, put Shallow Joe Blow in his place with a classic on air takedown. Hilarious stuff. One morning, in the last ten minutes of his own show, Scarborough literally left the set in commercial break, dashed across 6th Avenue to the Fox & Friends studio and proclaimed pleasure at being welcomed inside ‘the Mother Ship’ to hype his book. MSNBC was not amused.

    Although they may deny it, the three hour program was clearly pushing Trump in the primaries and sought out on air contact. And before him, Christie was their golden go-to boy before he flamed out. Even ‘The Daily Show’ nailed them on it last year.

    This very morning, Bubbles Brezinski stated with a straight face that ratings were flat when Trump was on their air. With useless guest Doofus Deutsch bloviating faux marketing prattle, inferring he was for him before he was against him.

    Now, it’s all the big ‘who, us?’– ‘denial.’ It’s the classic media ‘build him up to take down.’

    August. The Beast needs fed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. 16. Your burden of proof is on the foot.

    #nevertrump has indeed been wrong in every prediction. There is no evidence whatever they can find their azz with both hands.

    You tell us why ‘this time will be different’ and defend yourself.

    DNF (ffe548)

  23. All you just said, prowlerguy, is that Trump is inevitable and Hillary has no chance of defeating him.

    See, this is why #nevertrumpers are just like leftists. I NEVER said the words you attribute to me. NEVER. You lied in order to make some sort of snarky cheap “point”, which only resonates with other #nevertrumpers.

    What makes your original assertion so comical (that leftists were for Trump winning the primary) is that in this very OP, that is contradicted. In January, which was in the heart of the primary, any non-negative coverage of Trump had “become a subject of frustration among staff, and an increasingly problematic issue for the network’s [NBC/MSNBC] top brass.” Either you think MSNBC isn’t leftist, or your assertion that “Everybody on the left wanted Trump over Cruz, or anybody else for that matter.” is demonstrably false. Given your track record with anti-Trump pronouncements, the smart money is on the left being scared of Trump’s candidacy.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  24. Patterico will be telling us how he was never really a Republican and that secretly he always admired Hillary and of course that’s why he is helping her.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  25. Do you think the ap believes it will come out that hillary has a brain disorder and they are laying the foundation to convince us that it is an advantage? http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbcc46c385f04a269c051ef0fb3446fb/some-great-leaders-had-mental-illness-it-may-have-helped
    And, when this comes out we might just be addressing President Trump?

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  26. Maybe Scarborough “supported” Trump in the sense that Hugh Hewitt did: interviewing him a lot, indicating expressly or impliedly that Trump was a good fellow/ entertaining, etc. — but not stating that Trump was his preferred candidate. (I don’t watch his show, so I can’t say for certain.)

    Mitch (341ca0)

  27. BTW, the truth about Spartan practices is worse than the legend of Kaiada. Under Spartan law, there was no primogeniture — all children inherited an equal portion of their parents’ estate. At the same time, there was a wealth requirement to belong to the citizen/peer (Spartiate) class. The result often was that while a father had been rich enough, his estate divided equally among his children would not meet the citizenship threshold. So Spartan women practiced abortion, sometimes very late-term abortion. It was a lose-lose situation created by the inheritance law, because either way it did not sufficiently replenish the ranks of the Spartiates whose only job was to fight wars and make babies. At around 700 BC there were about 2,400 Spartiates; by 120 BC there were fewer than 150.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. #16.

    While state by state polling data is schetchy right now, let’s use RCP as a source.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    States carried by Obama in 2012 that are now either toss-ups or lean Trump:
    MI, OH, NV, FL, IA
    In addition, formerly solid blue states like VA and PA are now only leaning Clinton.

    Long way to November, you know.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  29. And what I said, prowlerguy you asshole, and you even f***ing quoted me, was “12.Trump is the only one Hillary has a chance of defeating.” Well, if you weren’t so fucking stupid and illiterate, you wouldn’t be a f***ing Trumpkin, now would you?

    nk (dbc370)

  30. 29.And what I said, prowlerguy you asshole, and you even f***ing quoted me, was “12.Trump is the only one Hillary has a chance of defeating.” Well, if you weren’t so f***ing stupid and illiterate, you wouldn’t be a f***ing Trumpkin, now would you?

    nk (dbc370)

  31. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/11/2016 @ 8:44 am

    We will probably lose our majority in the Senate, too.

    That means Hillary and Chuckie Schumer will rule the roost for the next 4 years.

    2 years. Many more Democratic than Republican Senate seats are up in 2018. And that’s not factoring in the second coming of Watergate. I mean all those things besides the Russian hacking into the DNC.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  32. I gotta concur here with #12 prowler guy. Now George P. Bush (Jeb’s son)has endorsed Trump.
    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jeb-bushs-son-george-p-bush-endorses-donald-trump-w433216

    Seems more and more, Scraborogh = Patterico.

    Scarbogough (+ Mika) + Patterico + Soros for HilLIARy.

    Not a pretty picture. But an accurate one. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e)

  33. @26. We watch it daily.

    No comparison between Shallow Joe Blow and Hewitt. Scarborough was and is after ratings. That’s his meat and potatoes now when, at one time, he let float chatter for himself as a VP contender some time back on his own show, fell flat.

    Trump made for good 20 minute segment phone-in segments and the show made an obvious shift to him after courting Christie for months -then he went a bridge too far. This morning, the talking heads were complaining that Trump only calls into Fox now– because he’s ‘scared’ of them. In other words, ‘call us, too.’

    It’s mid-August, post convention and vacation time for the A-teams. The B-teams are on air.

    And the Beast needs fed every day.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. 29. Careful, abogado, you could be placed in moderation if you were not such a #nevertrump suckazz.

    DNF (ffe548)

  35. Chandler Bing as anchor, possible

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. More like dan fielding from night court, or perhaps a chip Dillard 2.0

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. 30. is reinforced by link at 10. Trump doesn’t appear to be screwing up incumbency.

    DNF (ffe548)

  38. 31. Little brown one is just angling for the token hispanic cabinet post. I predict he will be the first R to lose to a D statewide since ’98 if he runs for re-election as land commissioner in 18.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  39. At around 700 BC there were about 2,400 Spartiates; by 120 BC there were fewer than 150.

    Ecce the “Dying Rooms” in late-20th century China.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  40. It’s like scubadiving the Andrea dorea.

    narciso (732bc0)

  41. #nevertrump placed the blame for riotous protests in Chicago and elsewhere at Trump’s feet on account of his “racist” message.

    Maybe they’d like to extend that deference to State:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/10/docs-expose-state-dept-colluded-to-thwart-foia-request-for-hillary-clinton-emails/

    DNF (ffe548)

  42. Let’s see if I am in moderation or it’s my obsolescent browser.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Stick to chrome, fewer hangups.

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. 42. Didnt one of the 3 joggers work for Google?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mk18af8z9Y

    Morning Joe co-host Mika Brzezinski and her husband, WABC Eyewitness News investigative reporter Jim Hoffer, divorced and have reached a settlement, reports Page Six. This raises a long-standing rumor that Brzezinski is having an affair with her Morning Joe co-host Joe Scarborough, who is also divorced. A source told Page Six that the hosts’ relationship is “the worst-kept secret in TV.” An MSNBC spokesperson would not comment to Page Six on the her relationship with Scarborough. –7/10/16

    Say it ain’t so, Joe?! GOP family values.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. 40.#nevertrump placed the blame for riotous protests in Chicago and elsewhere at Trump’s feet on account of his “racist” message

    If you go through the threads, you will find the Nevertrumpers were quite willing to lay the blame on the rioters on (surprise!) the rioters.

    kishnevi (870883)

  47. I uninstalled Firefox and was using IE, (sarc) to remind me why I had switched to Firefox in the first place (sarc). I just reinstalled Firefox and it remembered all my preferences including the zoom size for this site. Scary that. I’m pretty sure I did a complete clean up. Did Mozilla have a copy on its servers? That’s one of the warnings about Chrome — that Google will have, stored, everything you put through it.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. 12, 29. Let’s just begin with presumptive finalists, HRC versus her preferred matchup, nancy-boi Jeb!

    You really want to stick with, “he would’ve crushed her” or some such fantasy?

    DNF (ffe548)

  49. You could beat Hillary, and I’m not being snarky. That lady has so many negatives, they could start a new mathematical system with her as the model. But I think that Trump has more.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. If “start” is what one does with mathematical systems. Formulate?

    nk (dbc370)

  51. DNF (ffe548) — 8/11/2016 @ 9:34 am

    Newsflash
    One hundred percent of the people you knew even slightly will die at some point in their life. Usually the end point.

    kishnevi (870883)

  52. Take one corner of the panopticon or the other.

    narciso (732bc0)

  53. 48.12, 29. Let’s just begin with presumptive finalists, HRC versus her preferred matchup, nancy-boi Jeb!

    You really want to stick with, “he would’ve crushed her” or some such fantasy?

    Yep, because he would get votes from everyone who does not want Hillary to be President.

    That’s a lot of people right there.

    kishnevi (870883)

  54. So gossip unattributed from the morning joke washroom, how many cruxales is that worth.

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. In 1946, it turned out that there were never any Italian Fascists and how Mussolini came to power was a mystery.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  56. Meanwhile, there is the question of whether the Trump campaign is being activately sabotaged from within, or is merely unbelievable incompetent.

    This is raised by last night’s Foley affair. The video makes it seem like someone actively set up Trump.

    If you haven’t seen the clip, Trump talks about Abu Omar sitting directly behind Hillary at that Orlando rally.

    He demonstratively points to the appropriate seat behind him to show were Abu Omar was sitting.
    Which is where Foley was sitting (or sitting directly adjacent).

    CNN of course made sure to play that in this morning’s news.

    kishnevi (870883)

  57. @11 nk

    Was there a well that tasted of Persian emmisaries?

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  58. Character counts.

    Scarborough is MSNBC’s Regis Philbin, with all the street cred that goes with that in political discourse these days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Of course, WE will have to listen to endless haranguing about how we all are traitors for not supporting Trump. As if we had somehow indicated we might. I’m hoping that the LP gets more votes.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  60. whether the Trump campaign is being actively sabotaged from within, or is merely unbelievable incompetent.

    There is strong indication of “incompetent.” Strong runner-up: “Crazy.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  61. Jeb would have pulverized Hillary. A “bag of hammers” would have beat her. But no, we HAD to run “a sack of rabid wolverines” instead.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  62. No Regis has talent, when he worked for joey bishop.

    narciso (732bc0)

  63. Effendi turned his son into a weapon, vs some overindulgef congress critter, heads or tails.

    narciso (732bc0)

  64. 57. The Spartans recognized immediately that they had committed a great crime and sacrilege — killing ambassadors. Ambassadors were considered sacred. They sent three of their young noblemen to Xerxes to execute as reparations. (He did not.) An earthquake that more than decimated Sparta later was attributed by some as the gods punishing the sin. And you know what happened to Leonidas (and to his successor/regent).

    It’s a rule that we should be enforcing — that ambassadors are sacred — since the Teheran embassy takeover all the way up to Benghazi. And we have our own ways of making the Earth quake.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. They should assign Herodotus in school, oys a great read

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. @41 nk

    Maybe its an adolescent browser with a potty mouth.

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  67. What a lame assembly of ‘effing mercenary lawyers.

    Yeah.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  68. prowlerguy,

    You say Trump’s going to win.
    So which of the states that Barack won in 2012 is Trump going to flip?
    I’m interested to hear.
    Thank you.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  69. PuTS, the reason you feel the need to lie about people is what, exactly?

    SPQR (a3a747)

  70. @64 nk

    Well, the Bengazi “protestors” gave Stevens the same sendoff they reserved for their dear leader, so I guess that’s some high regard.

    Pinandpuller (268a88)

  71. @55 Kevin M

    You know who put the last three shots in Mussolini?

    3,000 Italian sharpshooters.

    Pinandpuller (268a88)

  72. @72, if Trump was indeed a hoax candidate set up to guarantee HRC victory, that’s the treatment he should expect to receive, except that given American right-wing expertise in firearms, rounds will hit rounds simultaneously for a much gorier visual.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  73. The poor Italians. After 1943, when the Germans saw them as enemies, my mother’s village sheltered two Italian soldiers on the run from the Germans who were likely to summarily machine-gun them. Three years earlier, they and my uncles had been shooting at each other on the Albanian frontier.

    nk (dbc370)

  74. I think Scarborough was more a ratings slut than a supporter. He did (quietly) express his endorsement of Jeb! and then Kasich and, to date, has certainly not endorsed Trump. But like with all the cable news nets, mentioning Trump early and often helped increase viewership and Joe/Mika were no exception.

    WarrenPeese (ac3889)

  75. Three years earlier, they and my uncles had been shooting at each other on the Albanian frontier.
    nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2016 @ 11:02 am

    Deliberately?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  76. #74 nk,

    If your uncles used foul language and called everyone a closeted homo as often as you do, then maybe they were asking for a little gunfire. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  77. One day, a lot of people will be telling us all about how they never really supported Trump. Can’t wait until Rush and Hannity join the list.

    I think Rush would say now he’s not really supporting Trump.

    Or he didn’t throughout the primaries.

    Even now, I don’t think he’s come out with an explicit endorsement of Trump. He says he has no contact with anyone in the Trump campaign. He gives some advice on the air. He “explains” things. He is also very much anti-Hillary.

    I guess you could surmise what side he is on. I don’t think he’s at all pro-Trump qua Trummp.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  78. Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/11/2016 @ 10:18 am

    I’m hoping that the LP gets more votes.

    Maybe in Utah, although if Evan McMullin gets on the ballot, and gets an endorsement maybe from Mitt Romney, he might displace the Libertarian. Or there could be a several way split.

    Convewntional wisdom is that Hillary is more likely to carry the state than McMullin, but Trump could more easily come in third. He just might be out of the picture in Utah.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  79. Deliberately?
    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 8/11/2016 @ 11:34 am

    That’s pretty much the only way you can shoot a Mannlicher-Shoenauer.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. I know Trump is your everything, CS, but he is not “everyone”.

    nk (dbc370)

  81. Mia Love did not attend the republican convention and has not said whom she would vote for. Neither has Senator Mike Lee.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/mormons-trump-utah.html

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  82. It’s a rule that we should be enforcing — that ambassadors are sacred — since the Teheran embassy takeover all the way up to Benghazi. And we have our own ways of making the Earth quake.

    Yes. Carter did not, but Reagan told them something that got all of them on a plane home as he was sworn in. I’d say that Reagan enforced it.

    Obama would probably let Russia invade Alaska.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  83. #81 nk,

    C’mon, nk, you use a lot of foul language and talk about Roy Cohn and secret closeted gays all the time.
    Trump isn’t the only person you’ve reserved that language for, right?(LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  84. gets an endorsement maybe from Mitt Romney

    Romney has done nothing useful this time around. Why does he insist on getting nobodies to do his dirty work for him? He should announce a write-in campaign and run as a centrist. There’s about 50% orf the electorate that would really like a third choice.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  85. foul language and talk about Roy Cohn

    Is there any other way to talk about Roy Cohn?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  86. Everybody who is anybody is down on the Great White Satan:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/10/democrat-plot-to-prop-up-never-trump-republican-revealed/

    DNF (ffe548) — 8/11/2016 @ 8:06 am

    Quoting Trumpbart to attack #NeverTrump! ROFL. That’s like quoting Slate to defend Clinton.

    Funny you/they attack McMullin for being an ex-Goldman Sachs employee and his campaign being lead by a Democratic staffer. The cognitive dissidence is hilarious:

    A) Trump donated tons of money to the Democrats, AND to Clinton and Reid.
    B) Trump said he really liked Clinton, and that she’ll make a great president someday.
    C) Trump’s finance chair is from Goldman Sachs
    D) Trump wants to make an ex-Goldman Sachs employee Treasury Secretary.

    So who really looks like the one sabotaging for Clinton? Maybe the liberal Democrat nominated for the GOP nomination, who the media wanted to face Clinton.

    Just like Joe, you’ll be singing a different tune in a year. “I was never for Trump!!!”

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  87. Trump now said Obama founded ISIS. Which is I think something Russian propaganda says.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  88. I would have said enabler, but I’m not running the campaign, silva’s latest, has the mastermind of a terror network, be an ex?? mukharabat who had worked with abu nidal,
    setting up cells in israel, middle management in islamic state, where the same folk
    with the ak and the nout,

    narciso (732bc0)

  89. “There’s about 50% orf the electorate that would really like a third choice.”

    With 44% embracing NeverClinton while 51% embrace NeverTrump, it could be even higher than 50%. If it weren’t for parasites concerned about their subsidies, it would definitely be much higher.

    The lack of a credible candidate for President is going to make a hash out of the turnout models used as predicates by polling companies. I would not be surprised at all if a record is set November 8 for lowest turnout in a Presidential election year.

    Rick Ballard (d51940)

  90. #88 Sammy,

    This is a reoccurring problem with Trump … he’s so inartful at expressing basic premises, thus his foot ends up in his mouth.
    What he probably meant to say is that Barack’s terrible foreign policy decisions affecting Iraq and Syria created a vacuum for ISIS to come to fruition.

    We could have had an articulate Rubio/Jindal ticket, possibly re-shaping politics for a couple of decades. But no, we’re gonna end up with Maude as our president.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  91. Trump now said Obama founded ISIS. Which is I think something Russian propaganda says.

    Sammy Finkelman

    Founded, funded, funneled, ran them guns, surface to air missiles, armaments…

    Probably didn’t pick out the official t shirt and hat, but I wouldn’t bet against his submitting design recommendations.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  92. you give them a sanctuary, you enable recruitment of salafi, from mosques, hawalas, inside allied territory, that goes for cameron as well as zippy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  93. RNC giving up on Trump, defunding campaign?

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/11/reince-warned-trump-last-week-turn-your-campaign-around-or-else/

    So, if Hillary wins by default, does she have a mandate?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  94. Which is I think something Russian propaganda says.

    Russian propaganda always says wild stuff.

    It’s funny that way.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  95. Trump is such a terrible general election candidate.
    This was going to be our year to win back the White House.
    Any number of GOP nominees could have beaten Crooked Hillary.
    Instead, we’re going to have the Supreme Court re-set for decades.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  96. @75. One of Scarborough’s two ex-wives worked for Jeb! back in the day.

    Joe Blow is a man of expedience.

    Now he has moved into the fast lane of chasing media skirts and Page Six mentions. And like all lightweight ex-pols who do, he will eventually crash and burn.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. well he can always go over to hln, the test pattern network,

    http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-tuesday-august-9/301887

    narciso (732bc0)

  98. RNC giving up on Trump, defunding campaign?

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/11/reince-warned-trump-last-week-turn-your-campaign-around-or-else/

    So, if Hillary wins by default, does she have a mandate?

    Scurrilous.

    If it were a real story the “GOP officials” paraphrased and referenced would have names.

    Horse pucky, and wishful thinking upon the part of democrats.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  99. honestly, I don’t know how they still have air in their lungs with all the hyperventilating,

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. exactly it is msnbc, the mouth of sauron, how could they not find an avowed critic,

    narciso (732bc0)

  101. 98 Cruz supporter:

    Sir: Just who were those many candidates that could have beaten Hillary? Oh right. The ones that couldn’t win in the republican primaries.

    Eight years the GOP had to find a candidate to run against HC: 8 years!!! Twice as long as WWII!!! They settled on a pudgy former governor in thrall to Donor Central, who evidently hadn’t met a republican voter since 1995: Unlimited Immigration? “Fine by me,” he said.

    The “other guy” was a slick-haired, intense, socially judgmental man that did well amongst the martini and monocle right wing, less well when it came to anyone else. His taste, grace and balance were evident at the convention when he couldn’t bring himself to endorse its candidate.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  102. Quick, get the wall anchored in before the next rain…
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hundreds-texas-mexico-reunite-dry-rio-grande-41299797

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  103. actually the candidate you disdain, harry made it to the playoffs

    narciso (732bc0)

  104. #105 Harcourt Fenton Mudd,

    Winning the GOP primary is a totally different animal than winning the general election where you must win the votes of independents, some Democrats, the confused, as well as low-information people who get dragged to the polls by their Aunt Martha on an early November Tuesday.

    Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Scott Walker, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal, and probably Ted Cruz could have all defeated Hillary in a general election.
    Whether or not they were able to defeat Trump during the primaries has no bearing on defeating Hillary in a general election.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  105. Harcourt Fenton Mudd,

    I agree with you that Cruz ultimately became off-putting. I’ve said many times in various threads that over the course of the primaries he proved to lack the populist instincts necessary for waging a successful general election campaign. I fear he may not have fared very well among independents in a general election.
    Just as winning the GOP primaries is a different animal than the general election, so to is winning a campaign to become President of Texas VS winning an election to become President of the United States.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  106. Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Scott Walker, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal, and probably Ted Cruz could have all defeated Hillary in a general election.

    Strictly conjecture and as impossible to prove as the reverse. Just saying something doesn’t make it so. Unless you believe in AGW.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  107. @74 nk

    A line from The Simpsons that comes to mind:

    BS: Albania’s main export is hatred of America.

    Pinandpuller (bb4c9e)

  108. “Trump now said Obama founded ISIS. Which is I think something Russian propaganda says”

    – Sammy Finkelman

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/11/2016 @ 12:32 pm

    Founded, funded, funneled, ran them guns, surface to air missiles, armaments… </blockquote. Not true. The CIA people in Benghazi were buying up SAMS and other weapons to keep them away from the Syrian jihadists.

    That’s why the terrorists attacked them!!

    That’s why they killed the Ambassador. He was threatening Turkey in a way.

    It was Qatar, and maybe Saudi Arabia – “our intelligence partners” – you know the people who said that there was a ddemonstration, that the attack was spontaneous, that it was caused by a video – those were the people who may have helped organize rebel groups that became part of ISIS.

    Hillary has a problem, though, with saying that.

    I mean besides the fact that this is all classified.

    Besides the fact that CIA said there was nothing to investigate because it was all spontaneous.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  109. The head of Saudi intelligence at the time Ambassador Christopher Stevens was murdered was Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Ambassador from Saudi Arabia to the United States.

    Who had also murdered Vincent Foster

    So if he went down, she might go down, too.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  110. Cruz Supporter

    Any homo-talk outside of war is considered unseemly to Classical Greeks.

    Pinandpuller (bb4c9e)

  111. The reason why this was e problem for Hillary Clinton?

    Because after killing Vincent Foster, he had come running to the White House for a secret meeting wth Bill Clinton, which only Sandy Burglar also attended, and explained it (Foster had probably demanded money, and threatened to blackmail him, but had forgotten about diplomatic immunity) and got his agreement to coover it up starting with instructions to take the body into Fort Marcy Park across the street from his residence, which would put the investigation of his death under federal jurisdiction.

    This is the smoking gun:

    http://i58.tinypic.com/ih8nx3.jpg

    Article by Fred Barnes starting on page 10 of the March 14, 1994 New Republic.

    1) Purpose of the article is to explain a secret unscheduled meeting between President Clinton, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and Sandy Berger.

    2) It is all on deep background, but the source is clearly the Administration.

    3) The White House explains the meeting as in some way typical, but later in the artivle says no general conclusions should be drawn.

    This amakes sense if the purpose of the article, as I said, is to explain away that meeting, of which there must have been some record.

    4) The history of airplane sale doesn’t comport with that meeting being about the sale of airplanes to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia had already agreed to but airplanes. The White House pretended later in 1993, that they might be intereted in mor,e but in the end no more were sold.

    5) The meeting took place in July, 1993. I was not able to find out anything more about the date.

    The Secret Service said it kept no records and I should ask the White House Counsel’s office and the White House counsel’s office, said it was not covered by the Freedom of Information Act. A roundabout approach to the State Department, asking about any record of such a meeting (if this concerned foreign policy there should have been a record) was answered early in the Bush Administration, but revealed nothing that could verify that such ameeting took place.

    The truth is, if I was right, I didn’t expect to get an answer confirming the existence of this meeting.

    You think meetings in the White House during the Clinton Administration are known? No. The visitors to the Lincoln bedroom disclosed in 1998 was actually voluntarily disclosed.

    I think the Obama Administration has now made records of vistors to the White House disclosable by FOIA. but that’s only since 2009. People think that such a record is available, but it isn’t or wasn’t. Maybe somebody could find out now. I;m sure some record existed that might have been found if subpoeaned by the right people, or else theis wouldn’t have been leaked.

    I highly suspect that meeting took place during the afternoon of July 20, 1993.

    6) The leak of this meeting took place right in the same month as other Foster case leaks — the picture of the gun for instance. In fact after March, leaks stopped.

    I therefore assert, that this was ALSO a Foster case leak. This was one of the loose ends being tied up in March.

    7) The Saudi Arabian Ambassador’s residence, was used for secret meetings. Probably even during the time Prince Bandar had moved next door because of renovations.

    8) It was on Chainbridge Road, right across the street from Fort Marcy Park.

    9) Prince Bandar was friendly with former U.S. Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger, who then was running Forbes Magazine, and a crazy story was prpeared for Forbes magazine, and not published, but leaked, that had Fster being BOTH a Mossad agent and killed by the Israelis.

    Only the Saudis would spread such a crazy story. One or the other maybe but not both, please.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  112. nk

    Is Mannlicher your gay-porn name?

    Pinandpuller (bb4c9e)

  113. Hannity was a full-on Trump butt-buddy. Rush much less so. Limbaugh gave Trump a legitimacy which was completely unearned, except to the extent Rush kept noting that DJT was winning delegates. His true sin was his muted support for Ted. It was contract negotiating season for Rush and he played the GOP contest right down the middle. .

    He got his contract. We’re gonna get HRC.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  114. @92 Cruz Supporter

    Maybe somebody should have mocked Rubio as hard as they did Trump about making great deals with Shumer.

    Pinandpuller (bb4c9e)

  115. 92. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/11/2016 @ 12:30 pm

    .#88 Sammy,

    This is a reoccurring problem with Trump … he’s so inartful at expressing basic premises, thus his foot ends up in his mouth.

    What he probably meant to say is that Barack’s terrible foreign policy decisions affecting Iraq and Syria created a vacuum for ISIS to come to fruition.

    I’m afraid it’s not so. (although maybe on second thought Trump tried to have it both ways)

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/

    Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally

    Updated 4:38 PM ET, Thu August 11, 2016

    Washington (CNN) — Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the “founder of ISIS” and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee’s position.

    Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean “that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace.”

    Trump objected.

    “No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS,” Trump said. “I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.”

    Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is “not sympathetic” to ISIS and “hates” and is “trying to kill them.”

    “I don’t care,” Trump said, according to a show transcript. “He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?”

    I think actually, Donald Trump was not, and is not, sure that this is the truth, that Obama founded ISIS, but he repeated it, because a certain number of people seemed to believe it, and he doesn’t truly care whether something is true or not, and he’s not too able to determine what theory is going to fall apart.

    But you notice also Trump did try to play it safe, because all he cited was the vaccum theory, which is actually true, except that you wouldn’t use the word “founder” of ISIS to describe that.

    That comports more with the “U.S.-Armed-the-Syrian-rebels-who-became-ISIS” theory.

    Obama did let al Qaeda in Iraq escape to Syria and left it alone there. And then they came back also into Iraq in 2014 after he pulled troops out of Iraq, leaving Iraq to be defended by a somehwat corrupted Iraqi army high commmand.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  116. He got his contract. We’re gonna get HRC.

    Does that snide comment mean you believe there is some association with Rush Limbaugh’s contract and Donald Trump winning the GOP nomination? Or are you doing the usual #neverTrump thing and blaming anybody but neverTrumpers for a Hillary! victory?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  117. 61. There you’ve left no doubt, because you cannot help but opine.

    Menes, menes tekel upharsin:

    Tuesday, the Turkish president suggested to abandon the US dollar in bilateral trade between Turkey and Russia, and instead to transact directly in lira and rubles. This would “benefit both Russia and Turkey”, Erdogan allegedly said in his August 9 meeting in St Petersburg, adding that this would relieve the lira from the USD’s upward pressure. The reason Erdogan is concerned about exchange rates is because recently Turkish inflation soared by nearly 8% Y/Y, and the recent devaluation of the TRY against the USD has only poured more oil on the fire.

    As I pointed out a day or two past, USD is oversold and has nowhere to go but up. The pressure on Turkey and other two-faced dictators to deal with Russia and China outside SWIFT is becoming unavoidable.

    Military adventurism will only accelerate that process.

    DNF (ffe548)

  118. a more obvious detail, he and rush are neigbors back in palm beach,

    narciso (732bc0)

  119. Actually, come to think of it, Barack Obama was instrumental in creating ISIS.

    He killed all the leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq who were above Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in the hierarchy

    Most probably because of information supplied, indirectly, to U.S. intelligence by Baghdadi.

    Which is why he was not able to kill Baghdadi.

    When everyone else was out of the way, he began operating independently, shook off control by al Qaeda central, and founded ISIS.

    Maybe that wouldn’t have been so eaay to do if Obama hadn’t also killed bin Laden.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  120. 122. narciso (732bc0) — 8/11/2016 @ 3:44 pm

    a more obvious detail, he and rush are neigbors back in palm beach,

    Yes, Rush Limbaugh knows Donald Trump, has played golf with him. Still, he never endorsed him, and he clearly wasn’t Rush’s favorite.

    Although Rush anyway has a policy of not mendorsing in Republican primaries.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  121. the dirty little secret, was the medici, was once a developer, hide the children, and as such had dealings with some of the slithy toves, of the casablanca of the caribbean, back in the 80s, the dems never move on, conversely, history only happened yesterday where they are concerned,

    narciso (732bc0)

  122. 120. Again, #nevertrump counts its chickens before the eggs are laid.

    If Trump and Sanders had not run and the mood of the electorate never revealed then perhaps a Governor could have won the primaries and beaten Clinton in the general.

    But plainly the #nevertrump relics belong to a bygone era when incremental progress in government was conceivable.

    No more. Constitutional conservatism is dead in the face of “Eat the rich”.

    DNF (ffe548)

  123. Sammy,

    Thanks for providing excerpts of the Hewitt/Trump interview.
    I think though, while Trump literally doubled-down by saying, “No, he was the founder of ISIS,” he was actually describing the vacuum which was created by Barack’s terrible handling of Iraq and Syria.
    It’s almost as if Trump doesn’t grasp what the definition of “founder” is.
    Which is kind of strange considering that he himself is the “founder” of a number of enterprises.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  124. C’mon, nk, you use a lot of foul language and talk about Roy Cohn and secret closeted gays all the time.
    Trump isn’t the only person you’ve reserved that language for, right?(LOL)

    Roy Cohn was Trump’s “mentor” in the ’70s, but of course you know that.

    —————————————————————————————————
    nk

    Is Mannlicher your gay-porn name?

    No, Pudandpuller. It’s your mom’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. #110 Rev Hoagie,

    Of course my belief that Rubio, Walker, Kasich, Jeb, Carly, Jindal, and (maybe) Cruz could beat Hillary in the general election is “conjecture.”
    The election hasn’t even happened yet, so nobody’s prediction about any outcome can be proven right or wrong at this time.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  126. The DOW, S&P and Nasdaq all closed today at record highs for the first time since 1999.

    Meanwhile, insider stock purchases stand at the lowest level ever:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/insider-stock-buying-drops-lowest-record

    These two things do not seem compatible.

    DNF (ffe548)

  127. 129. “nobody’s prediction about any outcome can be proven right or wrong at this time.”

    And your’s, concerning also rans in particular, will in the main never be proven sensible or germane.

    They are and will remain idle gum flapping.

    DNF (ffe548)

  128. 100 macy’s stores, are closing their shops, allegedly to move online, going down a rabbit hole,

    narciso (732bc0)

  129. Again, re: CS and Mr. M’s idiotic pronouncement that Jeb! could have beaten HRC, please note one more time.

    More people voted in Republican primaries than ever before. Had Jeb! taken his early lead, sans competition from a populist, 13 million votes at minimum would not have been cast.

    You are talking injection of phenylbarbitol into America’s veins. The nonentity did not register 4% nationally once the season began.

    Ludicrous.

    DNF (ffe548)

  130. there’s a lot of ghetto macy’s what need putting down

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  131. that’s just one set of canaries in the coalmine,

    narciso (732bc0)

  132. 132
    Macy’s has had problems for many years, and been thrashing around for solutions for over a decade. Many of those problems can be seen as coming from the decision to consolidate all of Federated’s regional brands into one, and the fact that in many locations Macy’s is competing against Federated’s other flagship chain, Bloomingdale’s.

    (Full disclosure: I work for a direct competitor, which has been going through its own kind of mishegoss for some time).

    kishnevi (1e395f)

  133. DNF
    Now calculate the number of neverHillary! who are also neverTrump!
    That’s how many votes Jeb or any other RINO, or actual conservative, would have gotten because their last name was not Clinton. And how many votes Trump will not get.
    Or di you think Patterico would be neverJebs?

    kishnevi (1e395f)

  134. The deal with Shorty isn’t how whacked he is – that’s been on display for decades. What is amazing is how oblivious so many Republicans have been to it. Is it that they are simply starstruck? Or is judging character a lost art? It’s got to be one of the two.

    The conventional wisdom – it was my wisdom, too – has always been that such an unserious man would flash quickly in the pan. I guess we overestimated our own Republican brothers and sisters. There is something very disheartening about that. Our consolation prize will be to watch the rats abandon ship.

    I always liked the “New York values” critique. It was Cruz’ attempt to point out that Republicans were failing to grasp Trump’s manifold deficiencies. Nobody was listening . . . or thinking. It was “Yeah, let’s make America great again!”, as if a catchy phrase was all it takes. The older I get, the more completely I understand and identify with the Missouri state motto though, I notice, even Missouri was a Trump state. Missouri, the “Tell Me” state.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  135. Which is I think something Russian propaganda says.

    Russian propaganda always says wild stuff.

    It’s funny that way.

    JP (bd5dd9) — 8/11/2016 @ 12:58 pm

    It’s called reporting, at least in thi case.

    Not surprised Sam couldn’t recognize it. So rarely it occurs.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  136. Here in fly-over Central MN Macy’s used to be Marshall Fields, which used to be Dayton’s.

    But I’m not married anymore so I’ve no need to buy posts or perfume.

    DNF (ffe548)

  137. BTW, what does ZeroHedge think of Trump’s plan to cut taxes, increase spending for the military and bridges, and either not care about the deficit or rely on economic growth and defunding Planned Parenthood to minimize deficit growth.

    kishnevi (1e395f)

  138. It is easy, now in retrospect, to appreciate what Jeb! was trying to do in the debates. His exasperation, although directed at Trump, was really with the Republican electorate.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  139. THoR
    After eight years of beta male Barack, they were hungry for an alpha male.

    Isn’t it the Show Me state?

    kishnevi (1e395f)

  140. In the event that Trump wins, we’ll get Kanye West in 2020 so it will all balance out. Wouldn’t Kim Kardashian make a great First Lady?

    nk (dbc370)

  141. 138. Typical Republican, cannot understand why anyone would want to win an election.

    Sure you say Trump will lose, and if the non-voters who handed him the nomination don’t turn out then he will lose.

    But #nevertrump claiming the problem is related to their no liking him is like the mail room boy polishing his nails when the CEO gets tossed.

    You folks watch Fox News nightly and think you know anything. Not.

    DNF (755a85)

  142. 142. See, you actually listened to Jeb!!! We rest our case.

    DNF (755a85)

  143. they used to be much less trusting, its as if the dog trainer, and voldemort and the crump/julian axis never happened,

    narciso (732bc0)

  144. DNF,

    Performance during the primaries has nothing to do with the potential for winning the general election.
    You Trump Sycophants are always screaming that the #NeverTrumpers won’t vote for Trump in the general election the way they always have voted for whomever the GOP nominated in the past, right?
    That’s the predicate.

    See, if Rubio, Walker, Jeb, Fiorina, Kasich, Jindal, or (maybe) Cruz had become the nominee, automatically 95% of the GOP vote would be in their column, plus then they’d be working for the independent voters, as well as some Democrat voters.
    In other words, EACH of the aforementioned would be actually starting at a better point than stupid Donald Trump simply because there wouldn’t be the number of GOP defectors if any of them was the nominee.

    Just out of curiosity, is there any reason you would sit out the general election if Bobby Jindal was running against Hillary?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  145. Cruz Butt Sniffer @68
    Asked and answered. Try reading.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  146. 138. “Our consolation prize will be to watch the rats abandon ship.”

    Over the past few years 20,000 Americans have renounced their citizenship, mainly to escape, eventually, the long arm of the IRS.

    Cruz’ platform red meat highlighted abolishing the IRS. A worthy goal but absolutely outside the realm of current DC reality.

    A serious man, a serious candidate focuses on the desires of the electorate that are achievable with the support available.

    You are neither serious nor your politics practicable.

    DNF (755a85)

  147. Trump is barely ahead in such “purple” states as Utah and South Carolina.
    Yet you guys are gonna stand here and lecture everybody about winning.

    You think Rubio or Jeb or Bobby Jindal was going to have difficulty closing the deal with voters in Utah or South Carolina?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  148. See, if Rubio, Walker, Jeb, Fiorina, Kasich, Jindal, or (maybe) Cruz had become the nominee, automatically 95% of the GOP vote would be in their column, plus then they’d be working for the independent voters, as well as some Democrat voters.
    In other words, EACH of the aforementioned would be actually starting at a better point than stupid Donald Trump simply because there wouldn’t be the number of GOP defectors if any of them was the nominee.

    What makes this true? No “true believers” of Cruz would have pouted and moaned had Jeb or Kasich been the nominee? The “true conservatives” did it in 2008 and 2012. Why wouldn’t they in 2016, especially if Ted had still come close (which he wouldn’t have)? Magic.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  149. so you have a story, where unnamed execs at msnbc, are afraid to speak out against trump, ubl’s favorite network, before they fired keefums, that fails the smell test,

    narciso (732bc0)

  150. prowlerguy,

    So what are these blue states that Trump is going to flip?
    Go ahead and tell us.
    Calling me a “butt sniffer” is cute, but why don’t you tell us which states that Barack won in 2012 will be won be Trump in November.
    I’m waiting on pins and needles.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  151. @29: And we can see yet again the threats and bannings for obscenities and personal insults are strictly a one-sided affair here at Patterico-land. One set of rules for those who fancy themselves elite, and a different set of rules for everyone else. Kind of like the leftists and SJW mobs.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  152. ohio is a strong bet, pennsylvania anecdotal, indiana why he picked pence,

    narciso (732bc0)

  153. Try reading the thread. I’m not going to repeat myself.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  154. Ot, probably requires a post of its own
    First they came for the photographers,
    Then for the bakers,
    Then the people that rented out their farmhouse,
    Then the pizza makers
    And cupcake bakers

    And then the lawyers
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/the-aba-sets-forth-a-de-facto-speech-code-for-lawyers.php

    Maybe the A B A will start monitoring here for thought crime

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  155. prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 8/11/2016 @ 5:02 pm

    IT’S NOT FAIR!

    nk (dbc370)

  156. 148. “automatically 95% of the GOP vote would be in their column”

    And yet we have 15% of the former GOP pledging support for HRC, if only spiritual support.

    As I’ve pointed out before, that is roughly half the number of new voters backing Trump during the primary season.

    Claims that these voters are Democrats are discarded because of the tight contest on the Left.

    Romany did attract 11% more Indies than McVain but these were not thought new voters. Moreover, Willard left nearly 2 million GOP voters cold that had been loyal in 2008.

    You color with 7/16″ crayons.

    DNF (755a85)

  157. Out here in the west, nobody sees that pompous jack@ss as being remotely alpha. A far more apt campaign motto for Shorty would be: “Mirror, mirror on the wall . . .”. And why shouldn’t it be his motto, with so many willing to offer: “Why you are, Donald.” “It’s you!” “Love you Donald!” . . . What have we Republicans become?

    As far as I can tell, Jill Stein is the only alpha left. Maybe I’ll vote for her.

    This will give you some insight as to who I am. I live in a city with at-large voting and I live up the hill. Any candidate for the city council who climbs that hill to knock on my door and ask for my vote gets it – I can vote for up to 5. Last spring only one candidate came to my door. He asked if he could tell me about himself and why I should vote for him. I told him that be simply appearing at my door he had won my vote. I didn’t need to know anything more about him. I thanked him, wished him good luck, and bid him adieu. And then, a couple of weeks later, I voted for him. As you can see, it doesn’t take much with me.

    The reason I’ve been harping on “closing” is that by not trying to close the sizable non-Kool-Aid imbibing wing of the party, Trump disses each and every one of us. If Shorty can’t man-up and focus on the issues just long enough to close the deal with me and those like me, he doesn’t need my vote.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  158. has he dissed mormons, specifically, or was it the narrowcasting that failed so spectacularly, this spring,

    narciso (732bc0)

  159. The ABA has no disciplinary authority. It can only make suggestions, and state licensing and disciplinary bodies might or might not adopt them.

    It does approve law schools, but there’s a move to take that away from it too.

    In any event, Illinois dealt with this in 1998. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

    nk (dbc370)

  160. Scarborough’s Fair

    Do you think Joe Scarborough’s fair?
    He is on M-S-L-S-D
    Remember when Touré worked there
    He did cause some viewers to flee

    Tell ’em their game is getting real stale
    Don’t watch them, I don’t have teh time
    A mincing bunch, don’t carry lunch pails
    Teh crap they spin it should be a crime
    Truth be told it’s all wind in sails

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. Obama may not have founded ISIS but he sure invested heavily when it went public.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  162. he’s generally more amusing than most, like laughing gas, recall when niall ferguson stepped on their pretenses, did they bring him back,

    narciso (732bc0)

  163. like I say small doses,

    https://www.newsbusters.org/journalists/joe-scarborough-0

    sybil is a more stable personality,

    narciso (732bc0)

  164. 148. “is there any reason you would sit out the general election if Bobby Jindal was running against Hillary?”

    Actually I like Jindal, but he wasn’t competitive.

    No you ‘tards don’t get it, when Cruz lost SC, GA, AL and MS the dream was over, dead and buried.

    There clearly was no grassfire for Constitutional Conservatism, but Immigration and TPP had masses that had never voted up in arms.

    Winning, as Lincoln said, permits possibilities. You people don’t know winning from losing and you prove it every day of your misbegotten lives.

    DNF (755a85)

  165. @117 Ed from SFV

    So we got Trump because Hannity promoted him too hard and Rush didn’t promote Cruz enough?

    Cruz could have probably done as much press as Trump did. I know Hannity was going to give him a full hour but Cruz’s staff ducked him.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  166. US Federal Tax Receipts are rising at just 1.2% year-over-year (12-mo rolling), slowing drastically from its 13.4% YoY growth in June 2013. While “it’s probably nothing,” we thought readers may be interested to note that the last six times tax receipt growth was at this weak a level, the American economy was in recession…

    DNF (755a85)

  167. Cruz Supporter

    If Trump had founded ISIS I suppose they would have gone bankrupt.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  168. illustrating the theme:

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8286

    evidence of absence, is not absence of evidence,

    narciso (732bc0)

  169. IT’S NOT FAIR!

    Nope. Just comical. And sadly pathetic.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  170. I raised the question in the other thread, how does one stay in the world, but not become part of it,

    http://www.becketfund.org/military-court-punishes-marine-bible-verses/

    narciso (732bc0)

  171. Liquidity in financial sectors is resembling Lehman era, so what does the government do? Why place restrictions on getting your money out of money market investments.

    They want you to be in US Treasuries at no yield at all.

    Two weeks ago, when looking at the recent surge in short-term funding rates in general, and Libor in particular, we said that this is the result of a scramble by various funds to change their asset ahead of an October 14 deadline for money market reform. Recall that “On October 14, 2a-7 money fund reforms will require some prime money market mutual funds (those that invest in non-government issued assets) to float their net asset value (NAV) or, under certain circumstances, to impose redemption gates and liquidity fees on redemptions. Rather than face these regulatory constraints, many investors have started pulling assets from prime funds, and a number of prime funds have converted to government-only funds (which are exempt from these regulations). Since late-2015 alone, prime fund assets have declined by nearly $450 billion, reducing the supply of dollars that funded private sector short-term liabilities.”

    DNF (755a85)

  172. I would like to ignore Trumpkin comments, but that would mean letting Trumpkins take over the site. So expect rebuttals, in a tit for tat manner, especially when you lie. What? I thought you Trumpkins liked guys who fight. Who are not politically correct. Who push the Overton window. Is it one rule for New York hucksters and another rule for everybody else?

    nk (dbc370)

  173. @128.

    The man protests just enough then bites the pillow,

    Methinks.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  174. I guess we overestimated our own Republican brothers and sisters.

    Yep, everybody is wrong except you and the rest of the bitter enders. And to make matters worse, you were willing to ignore the will of Republican voters to impose your idea of “best” on everyone else, even though your candidate didn’t even get 25% of the vote. Kind of like Obama uses executive orders to ignore the will of the legislature and like his Justice Department uses the court to override those items voted on by the people directly via ballot. You’ll fit right in with the rest of the Hillary fans.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  175. Nk

    Yo mama’s had more Berettas in her mouth than Martin Riggs.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  176. 170 Pinandpuller – Almost got it.
    Trump’s free media was unprecedented and it gave him standing which he did not merit. He’s essentially a gadfly. Hannity was the most egregious in giving Trump standing with GOP voters.

    Now add in Rush’s refusal to call DJT out for what he was, thereby squashing him, along with his refusal to come out foursquare behind the best candidate he has seen since Reagan, and we end up with HRC.

    The other super significant factor was the massive field of 17 at the start. This made it even more imperative that DJT be crushed from the jump. Instead, his rock solid core of know-nothings were enough to give him pluralities in all polling, including primary voting.

    Ted does own a bit of this by refusing to go after DJT. However, he was frantically dog paddling to stand out for the first time in a national election. He got the one-on-one he desperately wanted, but it was a fortnight too late. Freaking Rubio and Kasich.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  177. Say it ain’t so, nk…

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2404947968/ch0038612#

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. one uses leverage however one can find it, now morning joke and f chuck are not establishments I would willingly subject my self to, but I’m not the candidate, again you’re confusing the rider with the wave,

    narciso (732bc0)

  179. 177. Anyone trembling that our erudite and nimble nk promises to hold our feet to the fire?

    Yeah, I thought not.

    DNF (ffe548)

  180. gosh, you folks are like marvin the android, well here’s some more kibble,

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/291037-gloom-sets-in-for-gop

    narciso (732bc0)

  181. Heh! You’re confusing me with someone else. Some New York badgerhead who thinks words are fighting, possibly?

    nk (dbc370)

  182. 186. Well, the silver lining to all the pissants’ bad-mouthing and bearing false witness against their neighbor is everyone on the Right or the Left will be happy to embarrass the curmudgeons and pray their Depends burst.

    DNF (ffe548)

  183. Although the rats are scurrying, I now see there’s going to be another competition to see who is the last bozo on the bus. In some circles, I imagine, that will be a badge of honor. Good luck with that.

    You know, there are still some sorry souls who still lament the defeat of Ross Perot. It takes all kinds.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  184. the thing I don’t get, is when they ask you do you feel confident about the election, you don’t do like ray stantz, you say you absolutely do,

    narciso (732bc0)

  185. narciso @158.

    The idea that somebody else besides Donald trump could win Utah is anticipating things a little bit.

    Yes now it’s

    In the latest numbers from Dan Jones & Associates, Trump leads the pack with 37%; Clinton pulls in 25% while Johnson gets 16% support. Green Party nominee Jill Stein gets 1%. 14% mentioned some other candidate while 7% remain undecided

    The question is how does the 72% to 75% non-Clinton vote in Utah split.

    So far, it’s about 36% or 37% (half of the remainder) Trump, and the other half of the non-Clinton vote goes:

    16% Lib.
    14% Other
    1% Green
    7% Undecided

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  186. 189. How ironic #nevertrump imagines the analogy of voting 3rd party for the independent granting Bubba C. victory, twice, fits those voting for “his” party this time around.

    The rat, Sir(and I use the term charitably), is he who prefers to lose out of mindless spite rather than attempt an unsatisfying victory.

    Plainly, you are not competent to argue in your stead.

    DNF (755a85)

  187. Nk

    He makes a better Overton Door than an Overton Window.

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  188. Trumps crime, his REAL crime, was to embarrass a lot of people on the right who imagined that they were People Who Mattered. And that they had opinions that Meant Something. And Trump exposed the fact that they were nobodies, people without influence or relevance to the discussion. And now they want to destroy him to ease their embarrassment, they want it so much that they have flipped parties and now openly advocate for Trump to lose, and Hillary to win. Such people have shown that their egos are worth more than the national future to them. They were never on our side, but they demanded that we had to be on theirs. Trump has done a wonderful service in revealing who is who on the right.

    Mr Black (7c41e5)

  189. Some graphics about the election from Nate Silver of 538, ranking states in the order of probability of going Democratic or Republican in a a generic presidential election. In other words, a default from which you vary. (and also by probability of making the difference)

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#tipping-point

    When states are ranked by tendency to go Republican or Democrat, New Hampshire is right in the middle. Bush carried it in 2000 – he lost it in 2004, but carried Iowa and New Mexico, which he had not in the year 2000.

    New Mexico is now more Democratic ND Iowa

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  190. New Mexico is now more Democratic and Iowa now almost as likely to go Republican as North Carolina.

    The only states more Democratic than California are Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maryl;anmd, Hawaii and the District of Columbia, in that order.

    The 6 most Republican are the 3rd district of Nebraska, Wyoming, Oklahoma, West Virginia (!) Idaho, Alabama, Nebraska as a whole, Louisiana, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Dakota, Nebraska 1st district, Alaska, Kansas, South Dakota, Utah and Montana. Then comes Texas, Indiana, and Mississippi and we’ve reached the swing states of Missouri, South Carolina, Georgia and Arizona.

    I suppose that’s specific for this election.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  191. And you can claim bragging rights for being one of the original #nevertrump idiots.

    But I will be here to remind you of the fact everytime Madam President blows another foreign issue, everytime she hands the keys to the public treasury to her cronies, and everytime she stomps all over the rights of Americans that aren’t her people.

    Fool.

    bud (791f49)

  192. Hey, bud, you got any dirty pictures of Trump’s wife? Do you wanna buy some?

    nk (dbc370)


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