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8/8/2016

Trump to Deliver Major Policy Speech

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:15 am



If that headline doesn’t make you laugh, you haven’t been paying attention. The headline could just as well read: “Trump to Awkwardly Read Off TelePrompTer Set of Positions He Does Not Care About Because They Are Not About How Great He Supposedly Is.” Bloomberg reports:

Donald Trump will propose a temporary moratorium on new financial regulations in an economic speech Monday in Detroit in an effort to draw a stark contrast with the domestic policies of Hillary Clinton, who he says “punishes” the American economy.

A moratorium on financial regulations would be a wonderful thing. I could say the same think about his stated support for the REINS Act, which would place accountability for new regulations back in Congress where it belongs.

Of course, I don’t believe for one moment that he would do any of these things. I don’t think he understands what they are. And if he gets elected, his establishment buddies will tell him what’s what, and he will fall in line — because he doesn’t care about any of this stuff.

Of course, droners in the comments will say for the umpteenth time that Hillary will do terrible things for sure, while we don’t know what Trump would do. What we do know, though, is that whatever Trump does becomes “the Republican position” on the issue. And when “the Republican position” becomes the same as the Democrat position, then the Republican party is no longer useful as a party standing for small government.

It’s Stage One thinking vs. long-term thinking.

I have seen this long-term problem coming since May 3. It will take longer to sink in for some of you. I’ll be here when it does, to say I told you so.

P.S. Penn from Penn and Teller illustrates The Sniveling Coward’s methodology in this video. The embed is small, but you can make it full-screen by clicking on the bottom right.

I think The Donald would pull off the trick a different way. “No, the six of hearts was your card.” And 20% of the audience would clap and say: “That’s right. It was!”

359 Responses to “Trump to Deliver Major Policy Speech”

  1. This whole line of reasoning is too fuzzy for me. In the first place, the idea that what Trump does becomes the long term Republican position after he’s gone is rather dubious.

    Anyone who’s serious about long term thinking would be interested in SCOTUS for starters. This thing about “What Trump does becomes the Republican position”, if it’s actually true, which I doubt, would have to outlast the next 25-30 years or more that a liberal SCOTUS majority would be locked in.

    If this “Trump is bad long-term” thing makes any sense, Trump agrees to some non-conservative thing on regulatory policy, then election after election, it somehow prevents someone in the GOP from running for President on a different set of positions. Kind of like Clinton’s “triangulation” Presidency prevents Obama from implementing a real liberal platform I guess.

    Gerald A (945582)

  2. My fourteen-year old, who still knows how to do math, pointed out to me that 9% of the population imposed this match-up between a superannuated New York huckster and a lady superannuated New York huckster on us. That’s the combined vote total of both these relics.

    At least Hillary voters have the grace that they picked Hillary over a worse candidate. Trumpkins have the disgrace that they picked the worst one out of a field of seventeen.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. I’m going to be in Las Vegas next week. I’ll catch Penn & Teller at the Rio again.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  4. What we do know, though, is that whatever Trump does becomes “the Republican position” on the issue.

    That’s where I believe you are wrong. There are plenty of Republicans speaking out against Trump’s myriad proposals, and he hasn’t even been elected yet! I have no doubt that were he to win, the anti-Trump faction would continue to oppose any off-platform ideas.

    It’s quite logical to assume that if you believe in limited government and/or limited executive power, then Trump is the only way to go. Neither Democrats in Congress nor the media will dare hold Hillary accountable: we already know this and have seen it in action.

    SaveFarris (b93239)

  5. yeah i think everyone kinds of brackets Mr. Trump

    he’s sui generis

    nobody really takes him to be representative of the sad, corrupt and astonishingly useless republican party

    he’s against open borders for one thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. *kind* of brackets Mr. Trump i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. Anyone who’s serious about long term thinking would be interested in SCOTUS for starters.

    yes yes this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. Patterico, you can control the size of the embed by adding, for instance “height=300 width=600″ to the iframe. But either way the Bloomberg video player doesn’t work on my computer, so here is the same video on YouTube. And yes, he would insist the 6 was the card you picked, and you’re just lying when you claim it was the jack.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  9. This election is about punishing the voters who selected Trump over Cruz in nk’s mind.

    Gerald A (945582)

  10. Look, if I could be sure that Trump would be
    impeached the moment he strayed off the reservation
    I’d hold my nose and “support” him.

    Though I still wish he’d stop calling me every bloody day asking for money. Today’s call came at 9:25am, so I wonder whether I might rate a second call in the afternoon! Nobody has ever called me daily before, for any purpose; not even those people a few years ago who were warning me about the warranty on the car I haven’t got.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  11. it’s not like harvardtrash ted is in any way responsible for his lackluster losing campaign Mr. A

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. Neither Democrats in Congress nor the media will dare hold Hillary accountable: we already know this and have seen it in action.

    They absolutely will hold Hillary! accountable, Save Farris. She will be held to account by all the democrats and the media and Hollywood to ban guns, bring in moslem refugees, not build a wall or do anything to interrupt the flow of illegal aliens/undocumented democrats, to increase funding for Planned Parenthood, to inflict the most far left appointees possible for the Supreme Court and to press for free healthcare, fee college and any other free thing she can get enough support for.

    3.I’m going to be in Las Vegas next week. I’ll catch Penn & Teller at the Rio again.

    My wife and I saw P&T in Vegas SPQR, they were great. Although about the middle of the show Penn asked: “Do you believe in magic?” to the audience. Everyone yelled “Yes”. He then smugly mumbled “Must be a lot of Christians here tonight”. I know he’s an atheist but I don’t need him ridiculing my faith. Especially since we’re not the ones doing homicide bombings.

    Now I’d like to see him do a few minute blurb ridiculing Hillary! also since he claims to be a Libertarian. Or is Hillary! the Best and The Brightest the democrats have to offer?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  13. hillary’s a lawyer who went to one of the right schools

    nevertrump finds this very reassuring

    like a binky

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. Look, if I could be sure that Trump would be
    impeached the moment he strayed off the reservation
    I’d hold my nose and “support” him.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:06 am

    How would you vote if Kasich was the nominee?

    Gerald A (945582)

  15. No worries. Evan McMullin will rescue the never-whatever voters

    crazy (fcf2fd)

  16. At least she knows what the law is. When she breaks it she knows what she’s doing.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  17. How would you vote if Kasich was the nominee?

    For him. I said at the start of the primary season that I could live with any of the 17 candidates except Trump and Huckabee. Nothing has happened since then to change my mind.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  18. oh goody

    some weirdo mormon cia slut is gonna save america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. 10.Look, if I could be sure that Trump would be
    impeached the moment he strayed off the reservation
    I’d hold my nose and “support” him.

    Is that the same standard you held for every other Republican or wouldn’t you consider “No Child Left Behind” or Medicare Part D going off the reservation? How about Romneycare?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  20. 16.At least she knows what the law is. When she breaks it she knows what she’s doing.
    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:12 am

    So what you’re saying is Trump’s ignorant but Hillary!’s a criminal but you won’t vote for Trump. Very interesting. So not knowing is worse than deliberate criminality.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  21. nevertrump gonna bless America with all them partial birth stinkypig judges

    gonna nevertrump them fetuses so good

    nevertrump them in the gourd

    nevertrump them for the lord!

    have yourself a blessed day

    have yourself some chick fil a

    nevertrump will light the way

    our future is assured

    constitution all up in it!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. How do we know it’s not just a Trump-robot doing this?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. If the GOP and the Dems had used each others’ delegate allocation rules, the Dems would probably have had a winner in March, and the GOP would have had an open convention.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. For him. I said at the start of the primary season that I could live with any of the 17 candidates except Trump and Huckabee. Nothing has happened since then to change my mind.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:14 am

    You don’t think Kasich would stray off the reservation? He’s the classic RINO who wants to cut deals with the Democrats to be able say he’s bipartisan, getting things done, reaching across the aisle etc.

    At least she knows what the law is. When she breaks it she knows what she’s doing.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:12 am

    That’s weird.

    Gerald A (945582)

  25. Is that the same standard you held for every other Republican or wouldn’t you consider “No Child Left Behind” or Medicare Part D going off the reservation? How about Romneycare?

    I think Trump’s deviations would be an order of magnitude worse. Romneycare was a measure of sanity imposed on a legislature bound and determined to pass something like that. The Dems had a supermajority in both houses. Don’t blame the rear guard for “only slowing them down.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  26. #17: Pretty much the same here. Kasich would be annoying as all hell — I don’t think I’d ever be able to listen to a whole speech. But Trump makes me want to vote with a paper bag over my head. At this point, my plan is to foul that ballot line.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. Mr. Trump won’t be stinkypig that’s the key thing Mr. M

    and I love him for that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. Kasich is a Republican, and clearly superior to Clinton. Trump is not. Trump is completely unacceptable, he takes unsuitability to hold any public office to a whole new level, even compared to the Wicked Witch of Westchester. Thus the only way I could “support” him would be if he was guaranteed not to be president for long. A few months of Trump would be better than four years of Clinton, who would never be impeached because she’d be guaranteed to be acquitted, so impeaching her would be throwing her in the briar patch.

    And yes, knowing the law is definitely better than not knowing it. Clinton knows the law, and therefore only breaks it when she needs to. Trump doesn’t even understand the concept of law, and therefore breaks it all the time, in completely random ways.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  29. This election is about punishing the voters who selected Trump over Cruz in nk’s mind.

    No this election is about losing badly, then purging the party of Trump supporters.

    Barring an intervention, of course.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. Josef Mengele knew what he was doing, too. There, I said it.

    felipe (023cc9)

  31. W Bush and Romney are both beyond doubt political conservatives, whatever my differences with them. Their deviations are just that. Trump is not a conservative at all. He does not deviate from the path, he was never on it in the first place.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  32. Mr. Trump won’t be stinkypig that’s the key thing Mr. M

    Neither would my cat. That doesn’t qualify him for office.

    Just think; we could have had a candidate who had more going for him than “not being Hillary Clinton.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. oh this new loser’s not just a weirdo cia slut he’s also a sacky too

    nevertrump has just the one well to dip from it looks like

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. Josef Mengele knew what he was doing

    Trump should aspire that high.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  35. #nevertrump has yet another too-stupid-to-believe shot at loozing:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/ex-cia-ex-goldman-anti-trump-republican-launches-independent-presidential-bid

    You cannot coach stupid, change stupid or abide stupid, and Rick Wilson is the poster boi.

    DNF (ffe548)

  36. Yes, Mengele knew what he was doing, and was therefore less destructive than someone of similar disposition and power, but who struck completely at random, would have been. He is not a good example, though, because he had effectively unlimited power, which Clinton will never have, even if she’s president.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  37. the number one person to blame for screwing up the nomination process is hyper-entitled douchebag Jeb Bush who ran on the strength of his lack of any obvious rationale for running

    and that’s not Mr. Trump’s fault not even a little bit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. … and yet Trump is the man the people have chosen, because he understands the American people better than all the other potential candidates. Sucks for the Trump haters.

    Lyle Smith (87ea16)

  39. 29. No on both counts, this election is about excluding ‘effing lawyers from executive positions.

    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wall-street-journal-starts-smear-of-populism/

    In today’s America everything is illegal and we are all law-breakers. Into this breach has the “Man of Lawlessness” stepped to make America a laughingstock among nations, e.g., transgenderism, a naked superstition steeped in hatred and ignorance.

    This is the sh!thole lawyers have bequeathed.

    DNF (ffe548)

  40. 36.Yes, Mengele knew what he was doing, and was therefore less destructive than someone of similar disposition and power, but who struck completely at random, would have been.

    That is such a ridiculous and asinine statement I won’t dignify it with a response. You should sit in the corner and think about what you wrote there.

    He is not a good example, though, because he had effectively unlimited power, which Clinton will never have, even if she’s president.

    Mengele in no way had effectively unlimited power. He had just as much power as granted him by the Third Reich, no more and no less. Hillary! on the other hand will be President of the most powerful nation in history, in charge of our military, our federal agencies and police forces, most likely backed by a democrat Congress, a leftist hand-picked Supreme Court, Hollywood, the “news” media schools from pre-K to college, the unions, blacks, Hispanics, LGBT’s, communists, socialists, BLM, the Congressional Black Caucus, illegal aliens, terrorists, moslems, anarchists, hippies and street people. Mengele could only have dreamt. If you had compared Hitler’s power to hers you may have a point but Mengele was just a player, not the Boss.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  41. 32. Be happy, you lost. It is the only thing you know and your fondest hope. Deal with it.

    DNF (ffe548)

  42. nobody really takes him to be representative of the sad, corrupt and astonishingly useless republican party

    he’s against open borders for one thing

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/8/2016 @ 7:58 am

    yes yes. the Don is creating the new sad, corrupt and astonishingly useless republican party

    it will be so sad when the Don doesn’t do anything he said he will

    it will be so corrupt when those goldy sacks get all their moneys

    it will be so useless as it will adopt the same policies as the demo party

    making democrats great again

    and yes yes the Don is so against open borders

    he’d rather build a wall, and make sure there is a nice revolving door for those immigrants

    make them nice and legal

    get them their amnesty

    making amnesty great again

    sadfeet (e04f50)

  43. No one should expect The Donald to be able to do card tricks with those little tiny hands.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  44. oh this new loser’s not just a weirdo cia slut he’s also a sacky too

    nevertrump has just the one well to dip from it looks like

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:41 am

    yes yes!

    can’t have the sacky running for office

    much better having a sack as finance chair for the Don

    and even better as the treasury secretary

    the Don knows how to get them sackys their money

    making sacky great again

    sadfeet (e04f50)

  45. nonono Mr. The Donald volunteered to spell the Republican party while its corrupt and shallow establishment takes a timeout

    and oh boy they sure need a timeout something awful

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. Mengele was given completely free rein to do whatever he liked. Clinton would be bound by the constitution and the law; if she gave blatantly illegal orders they would not be obeyed. And unlike Trump she knows what those limits are, and exactly how far she can push them. She’ll push them as far as they’ll go, but no farther.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  47. 41. “That is such a ridiculous and asinine statement I won’t dignify it with a response.”

    #nevertrump aside, I believe we have a distinct pattern established.

    DNF (ffe548)

  48. 47. “Clinton would be bound by the constitution and the law”

    ^this^

    DNF (ffe548)

  49. Yes, she will be. She won’t like it, but she can’t prevent it, and she knows how to work within those limits; she’s done so all her life. Indeed her whole career has been about knowing how to work within the legal system to cover for her and her husband’s crimes (mostly bribery).

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  50. Not only did her aides assist her up the stairs yesterday, but it appears the #NeverTrump crowd is going to push her up the stairs so she can enter the front door of the White House.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  51. nk wrote:

    At least Hillary voters have the grace that they picked Hillary over a worse candidate.

    No, they didn’t. They chose a candidate who seems more moderate, but who is a lying, disgusting person. At least Bernie Sanders was (mostly) honest about what he said.

    The Dana who hates liars (f6a568)

  52. Mr happyfeet, your language is contagious.
    Yesterday, when some jerk cut me off on the highway, I yelled at him, “You’re a pooper!
    I don’t think I had ever used the word my entire life. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  53. ugh poopers on the freeway are the worst

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. Mr M wrote:

    No this election is about losing badly, then purging the party of Trump supporters.

    I’m sorry, just how do you “purge” an American political party? Yeah, Josef Stalin knew how to do purges, but that doesn’t work here.

    Donald Trump is the nominee because he went out and campaigned, in a way that a lot of Republican primary voters liked. You can’t purge the voters.

    The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  55. Actually, Patterico, he could hold up the 6 of Hearts, claim that it was the Jack of hearts and the crowd would applaud. The next day he would claim it was the 4 of clubs and that those media people who say otherwise all bleeding hearts. And the crowd would roar.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  56. The distinction has been made between lying and BSing. If you tell a lie, you know what the truth is, and it is very specific – it applies to one specific idea. Now BSing, on the other hand, which is the Trump M.O., doesn’t even know, nor even care, what the truth is. It is also just a broad application across all subjects – it doesn’t matter what the subject is, it’s treated as an opportunity to manipulate the dialogue in purely self-centered ways. (Fareed Zakaria made that point clear.)

    Tillman (a95660)

  57. And yes, knowing the law is definitely better than not knowing it. Clinton knows the law, and therefore only breaks it when she needs to. Trump doesn’t even understand the concept of law, and therefore breaks it all the time, in completely random ways.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:37 am

    Why is knowing the law and breaking it whenever you feel like it superior to breaking it because you don’t understand it?

    Gerald A (945582)

  58. Mr M wrote:

    Actually, Patterico, he could hold up the 6 of Hearts, claim that it was the Jack of hearts and the crowd would applaud. The next day he would claim it was the 4 of clubs and that those media people who say otherwise all bleeding hearts. And the crowd would roar.

    Why not? After all, he held up a big middle finger, and his supporters all claimed that it was just him waving to the country.

    The very disappointed Dana (f6a568)

  59. 29. Again, Trump lives free in the minds of the self-righteous on the Right and the Left. He is plainly nothing more than a serpent elevated above the political desert on which the disenfranchised look and hope.

    Bernie had the same effect.

    The disaffected and disenfranchised have been awakened. Presuming they will simply be disheartened by the result in Nov. and fall back asleep demands that the circumstances of their quickening will be allayed.

    There is absolutely no prospect that things political and economic will stabilize or better, ameliorate. You fat azzed and complacent public ticks will be butthurt for years to come.

    DNF (ffe548)

  60. All this talk of “purging the party” and punishing Trumpkins really sounds like Salem, Massachusetts Values, circa 1692.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  61. for years and years and years!

    and they’ll have nobody to blame but themselves

    i have so much pity for their lack of moral clarity

    i’m a pray for them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  62. No this election is about losing badly, then purging the party of Trump supporters.

    Barring an intervention, of course.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:39 am

    This sounds like the bizarre statements the Trumpers made, claiming the reason to nominate him was to “destroy the GOP establishment” or some such thing. Who will be the first to be purged: Christie, Sessions? Will there be show trials?

    It’s weird how the Never Trumpers’ pronouncements tend to look exactly like the Trumpers. I could never figure out what the Trumpers were even talking about half the time, and the same is true of the Never Trumpers.

    Gerald A (945582)

  63. Again, Trump lives free in the minds of the self-righteous on the Right and the Left.

    Free? Like hell he does. The cocksucker is charging the highest price of all — the Presidency of the United States, whether it goes to him (unlikely) or to Hillary (almost certain).

    nk (dbc370)

  64. Yeah, Josef Stalin knew how to do purges, but that doesn’t work here.

    Sadly, no.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  65. 64. There is a question of coat tails to sort itself out.

    Huelskamp already lost his primary. The interlopers in Republican primaries may not vote at all, but if they do, will incumbents suffer, will globalists?

    DNF (ffe548)

  66. you would think they had learned from the debacle of utah, but they are singleminded as colonel nicolson, with the plunger,

    narciso (732bc0)

  67. salmon croquettes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. The people who support a controversial candidate in a party (Goldwater, McGovern) who loses terribly badly, generally aren’t listened to much for some time after. They lose all those county committee positions and delegate slots, etc. That kind of purge.

    It will end the political careers of many high-profile Trump supporters (e.g. Gingrich, Christie) and harm those who went along when they could have stopped it (Pence, Ryan, Priebus).

    But leave it to Trumpies to assume that a :purge” means Gulags. Although I have no doubt that is what they secretly hope for should Trump win.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  69. #58 Tillman,

    You just made the best case for why Hillary needs to be fitted for an orange jumpsuit.
    She’s the smartest, most competent, most experienced nominee of all time, therefore nobody should believe for a moment that she didn’t “know” the laws regarding safe-guarding national security documents.
    She actually signed papers which confirm she was “aware” of her obligations.

    I guess all that impressive resume stuff such as “experience” doesn’t really guarantee honesty, good judgment, and adherence to the law, huh, Tillman?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  70. 65. There you go again, letting yourself off any moral hook by saying your vote doesn’t matter as an IL convict. Same with the CA lepers.

    The fact that your retarded perseverating over spilt milk is an attempt to spoil the pot for everyone . Don’t expect to catch on with a future incarnation.

    DNF (ffe548)

  71. … if she gave blatantly illegal orders they would not be obeyed.

    She might not be prosecuted for giving those instructions, either.

    Would rather not see either proposition put to the test, but there’s no point living if (to paraphrase Moynihan) you don’t know the world will break your heart eventually.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  72. This election is about punishing the voters who selected Trump over Cruz in nk’s mind.

    Depriving them of an undeserved reward, crushing their trailer park dreams, and hearing the lamentations of their pickup queens.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. How is the shovel ready job business working out?

    mg (1c2d1e)

  74. mg,

    Once Hillary’s federal agencies start subverting Texas, then they’ll start to have second thoughts about championing the President Hillary Experiment.
    But they probably won’t admit so, publicly.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  75. Donald Trump is the nominee because he went out and campaigned, in a way that a lot of Republican primary voters liked.

    The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 8/8/2016 @ 9:33 am

    Yes, in a way that a plurality liked, but in a way that a majority did not. He also had the help of a compliant media who gave him $2 billion of free coverage.

    So really, he won because of the media and a small part of the GOP voters.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50)

  76. Patrick Henry,

    It’s probably disingenuous to claim that Trump won due to “a small part” of the GOP voters.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  77. Hoagie, over the years I’ve seen Penn&Teller live 8 times. Twice at the Rio.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  78. I wonder which of the 2 R camps in Kansas the dad was a part of:
    http://abc7chicago.com/news/kansas-lawmakers-son-dies-on-worlds-largest-waterslide/1460624/

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  79. Democrat shovel ready means – inner city grave digging.
    Chicago is leading the way.

    mg (1c2d1e)

  80. it’s so weird they haven’t said how the kid died

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. PH2 wrote:

    Donald Trump is the nominee because he went out and campaigned, in a way that a lot of Republican primary voters liked.

    Yes, in a way that a plurality liked, but in a way that a majority did not. He also had the help of a compliant media who gave him $2 billion of free coverage.

    So really, he won because of the media and a small part of the GOP voters.

    He won by playing by the rules; there’s no denying that. The other candidates also chose to play by the rules, and they lost. My preferred candidates lost, and our host’s preferred candidate lost. Ted Cruz might have come in second, but there are no points for second place.

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  82. PH2 wrote:

    Yes, in a way that a plurality liked, but in a way that a majority did not.

    That’s the way things work in elections with 17 candidates. But, by the end, when it had been winnowed down to Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, Mr Trump was winning majorities, big majorities. I voted for Senator Cruz in the Pennsylvania primary, but it really was all over by then.

    The Dana from Pennsylvania (f6a568)

  83. Trump got the votes of the people who spend there days watching Fox and listening to radio ranters. BY the time he got to the debates, he was the only one throwing out the code phrases they had been trained to like. so, while everyone else was wondering where he got his “facts” and how screaming “LIAR!!!1!” at everyone would help his case, those folks all nodded right along as he was speaking their code.

    Viral memes in action.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  84. Mr. Trump won cause of he cast a wider net

    he is truly a fisher of men

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. *their

    gah!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  86. he is truly a fisher of men

    Does this make his supporters “fish”?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  87. no

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. CS, Nothing whatsoever “guarantee[s] honesty, good judgment, and adherence to the law.” How naive.

    Tillman (a95660)

  89. This election is about punishing the voters who selected Trump over Cruz in nk’s mind.

    Depriving them of an undeserved reward, crushing their trailer park dreams, and hearing the lamentations of their pickup queens.

    nk (dbc370) — 8/8/2016 @ 10:16 am

    This has been apparent for some time. At least you’re not pretending it’s about some concrete result of any kind (long or short term).

    Gerald A (945582)

  90. Trumpfish

    He caught quite a few of them.

    Rick Ballard (5abada)

  91. how does it help harvardtrash ted for him to become the sore loser candidate of juvenile perennial butthurt

    especially with pervy harvardtrash Mitt Romney refusing to relinquish the tiara

    it’s so womanish and unamerican

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  92. It’s probably disingenuous to claim that Trump won due to “a small part” of the GOP voters.

    Romney, 2012 general: 60,933,500
    Trump, 2016 primary: 14,010,177

    Percentage: 23% of people who voted for Romney voted for Donny. 23% sounds a lot closer to “a small part” than it does to “a large part” to me. (I’m presuming that it’s not disingenuous to say that people who voted for Romney are GOP voters?)

    Trump is a person of small parts in ways other than his … ahem … hands.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. I take it Penn didn’t win on Celebrity Apprentice, despite two tries.

    noway (2640f4)

  94. 92.how does it help harvardtrash ted for him to become the sore loser candidate of juvenile perennial butthurt

    This isn’t ironic at all

    JP (bd5dd9)

  95. salmon croquettes yum

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  96. At least you’re not pretending it’s about some concrete result of any kind (long or short term).

    On the contrary, Gerald A. Keeping a New York pimp and his Slovenian hooker out of the White House is a very concrete result. Skyscraper quality, 10,000 psi concrete.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. so this delta house outfit of mcmullan, is by the same folks who underwrote perot’s 1996, it’s like no labels, but with more blanc mange,

    narciso (732bc0)

  98. #89 Tillman,

    Nothing is guaranteed?
    Wut?

    I was told Barack was going to improve things for black people, based on his own race.
    I was told Barack was going to improve relations with Muslim nations based on his Muslim heritage and experience.
    I’m being told that having a woman in the White House will be good for the prospects of women.
    I’m being told that Hillary’s resume as the most experienced, most competent, most smartest, most everything nominee in the history of all time is a guarantee of having a good President.
    … now you’re telling me that there’s no guarantee?

    Have you left wingers been lying to me all this time?
    Be honest. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  99. from a june profile,

    Better for America has Mr. Kingston working with the pollster Joel Searby as the chief strategist, as well as the lawyers Mohammad Jazil and Matthew Sawyer. Mr. Sawyer was the general counsel for the Texas business magnate H. Ross Perot’s Reform Party presidential run in 1996. Anne MacDonald, who was the chief of staff to the first lady Laura Bush, is also advising the group.

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. nk wrote:

    On the contrary, Gerald A. Keeping a New York pimp and his Slovenian hooker out of the White House is a very concrete result. Skyscraper quality, 10,000 psi concrete.

    Unfortunately, the alternative is even worse.

    Back in elementary school, the no-win question was posed on the playground: if you are standing up to your neck in [insert slang term for feces here], and someone throws a bucket of [insert slang term for urine here] at your head, do you duck? That is how I see this election.

    The concrete producer Dana (f6a568)

  101. if someone threw pee on me while i was standing in poo i’d be so upset

    america’s supposed to be better than this

    that’s why I support Mr. Trump

    unlike stinkypig he likes prosperity and doing national security, and he always has a kind word for the working man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  102. unlike stinkypig he likes prosperity and doing national security, and he always has a kind word for the working man

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/8/2016 @ 11:38 am

    yes yes!

    he loves giving our national security to Putin

    whatever Putin wants he gets!

    and just WAIT till you see the prosperity he will bring

    what with the high tariffs destroying our economy

    it’ll be so great being poor

    the rich man always looking out for us poor folk

    making poor great again

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  103. you should vote for stinkypig then

    do it all up on the wiggle giggles!

    prosperity and dead fetuses for all and forever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  104. sadfeet,

    Trump could nominate Putin to the Supreme Court, and that would probably still be an improvement over whom Hillary would nominate.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  105. principles uber alles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED: James Woods explains who exactly is voting for Hillary Clinton this year.

    http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/08/08/brutal-this-james-woods-photo-slam-of-hillary-clinton-dem-voters-is-drub-tastic/

    Colonel Haiku (77a37c)

  107. Same old story, same old song and dance, mein Fuhrer.

    Colonel Haiku (77a37c)

  108. Nevertrump folks sure do have a rich fantasy life. First they all told us he was just running to get Hillary elected, then he would lose the primary, then he would be conventioned, then he would drop out, all while every month consoling themselves that THIS would be the gaff that would bring him down, and, undeterred by their never being right in their fantasies, they cast unlimited predictions on all the rotten and evil he will do if elected, which of course will never happen because Hillary is going to beat him easily and it’s Trumps supporters to blame for nominating him. As if any of the others would have been a shoo-in like Romney was.

    No wonder they’re becoming ever more shrill and unhinged…nobody can be wrong that often without some sort of personal crisis.

    Y’all need to just relax, it’s out of your hands now, you’ve vowed to not vote for either, one is as bad as the other, so now all your spitting on the duely elected republican candidate just comes across as petty and spiteful.

    The wise thing to do, as always, is to plan for the worst, and hope for the best. All this expecting the worst and hoping for failure is bad for your soul and just plain ugly.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  109. And the ghost of Lou Rawls casts a pall over “Mr. Breeze”…

    Colonel Haiku (77a37c)

  110. the biggest fantasy of all is they’re doing nevertrump cause of principles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  111. Kevin “Mr. CNN” M…

    Colonel Haiku (77a37c)

  112. If Trump and Hillary would be equally bad as President, why is it that the #NeverTrumpers seem so much more focused on highlighting ‘Bad Trump’ than they are in highlighting ‘Bad Hillary’?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  113. Parent to child, while child is holding spray paint: Do not spray paint all your jeans. I won’t buy you new ones.

    Child spray paints jeans.

    Child to parent: Buy me new jeans. All the kids at school are laughing at me.

    Parent to child: I told you not to do it. I told you I would not buy you new ones. Now you have to suffer with your decision.

    Child to parent: The kids are laughing at me and bullying me and it’s all your fault!!

    Replace “child” with “Trump Humper” and “parent” with “#NeverTrump” and you have what we have today in the political arena.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  114. why is it that the #NeverTrumpers seem so much more focused on highlighting ‘Bad Trump’

    let’s see Mr. Supporter

    dumping on which one gives them the thrilling rush of feeling smarter than and morally superior to their fellow Americans

    is it dumping on stinkypig?

    or is it dumping on Mr. Trump?

    I think if you solve this riddle you’ll have your answer

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. “29. No this election is about losing badly, then purging the party of Trump supporters.”

    Just how is that done? The Republican Party isn’t like the USSR Communist Party, where you have to show your membership card. A Trump supporter is just a voter. Are you going to search out all the millions of people who voted for him and say, “You are never allowed to vote again.”? How would that work?

    If you mean the Party officials & establishment , well, it may have escaped your notice, but THEY did not support Trump at all. If you remember Colorado, they not only didn’t support Trump, but they finagled things so that CRUZ got all the CO delegates.

    Not to mention that there are many times more Trump Supporters that never-Trumpers. Compare the number of anti-Trump people in the Party and the “conversative” media vs the overflowing auditoriums at Trump rallies.

    If there is any purging the party to be done, the pro-Trump supporters will be the ones doing the purging.

    “70. The people who support a controversial candidate in a party … They lose all those county committee positions and delegate slots, etc. That kind of purge.
    It will end the political careers of many high-profile Trump supporters.

    Those are all the people who TRIED to stop Trump. They failed. The failed because the voters voted for Trump.

    “But leave it to Trumpies to assume that a :purge” means Gulags.”
    No, that’s just you projecting.

    It was clear that by “purge” you meant to throw out of positions in the Party. But the Trump supporters were the voters, not the party’s power structure. How you gonna throw the voters out of the party?

    =============
    “47. Clinton would be bound by the constitution and the law”
    Can I have some of what you are smoking?

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  116. “… and then there’s Maude! And then there’s Maude! And then there’s Maude…”

    She responded to JR. And less than four shrill, pantsuited minutes in, viewers tuned her out, throwing up their hands crying, ‘all right, all right, damn it, I’ll take out the trash when the next commercial is on.”

    “…Right on, Maude!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. OMG. Did Mr. Feet actually write this?

    dumping on which one gives them the thrilling rush of feeling smarter than and morally superior to their fellow Americans


    After the long history of his, ahem, less than consistent rants over the years?

    My favorite part is how we must all join hands to save us from HRC; it is the most important thing to do. Unless it was someone HF didn’t like.

    Sadfeet save us from trolls.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  118. It’s Stage One thinking vs. long-term thinking.

    It’s a stage. Period.

    And Americans don’t want to be governed. They wish to be entertained. That’s why it’s a Dallas vs Maude election. An we know which of the two draw better ratings.

    There’s no such thing as a ‘five-year-plan-long-term-thinking’ in real world business. Except on paper. Remember, way before the reality TV show, when you were popping zits, he was building skyscrapers along the New York skyline.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. stinkypig is no good

    i’m against doing stinkypig on the economy – people will get hurt

    i’m against doing stinkypig on the immigrations – people will get hurt

    i’m against doing stinkypig on the supreme court – people will get hurt

    i’m against doing stinkypig on freedom – people will get hurt

    this is why I support Mr. Donald J. Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. And if he gets elected, his establishment buddies will tell him what’s what, and he will fall in line…

    Ask Merv Griffin about that. Oh wait, he’s dead. But he learned the hard way when he dealt with “JR.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. Mr. Hitchcock, the “child” (love how you see yourself as the superior BTH) is not asking for new jeans, that is the parent still insisting the kid get new jeans because he’s so insecure he thinks the child’s choice reflects on him badly, and the child isn’t crying about having no friends and being bullied, he is defending his friends and standing up to the bully the parent doesn’t even realize is himself.

    Other than that, great analogy…/sarc

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  122. I read most of the comments from you whiners. I’m not sure what it is you want, Trump won the primary fair and square mostly because only a fraction of the eligible voters voted. You Cruz fans crack me up he was out there for 4 months begging and crying for votes to no avail.

    I am voting for Trump because Hillary scares the Be-jeebus out of me. I’m terrified of her SCOTUS picks, open borders, muslim refugees, her lying, her stealing, her murdering ways.

    I’m so tired of all the never-Trumps, I predict he wins 40 states and the election.

    tonynoboloney (280edb)

  123. What this country doesn’t need is Paul Ryan working the democrats playbook. What a pathetic pos.

    mg (1c2d1e)

  124. #116

    The Never Trumpers don’t even know what they mean.

    Gerald A (217a35)

  125. @114 John Hitchcock

    You come across a little like pony tail dude from the Bush/Clinton debate.

    Yes, let’s pretend like Trump voters are our children.

    I hope you’re ready to match my cod liver oil treatment shot for shot.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  126. DCSCA

    You know who liked five year plans?

    Stalin!

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  127. So I guess HRC will also bee the first Rascal president.

    Or does she get carried everywhere on a litter by eunuchs?

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  128. No this election is about losing badly, then purging the party of Trump supporters.

    Barring an intervention, of course.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:39 am
    ==============================================

    I’ve got the ice pick, just say when, folks.

    Colonel Haiku (77a37c)

  129. WHEN

    mg (1c2d1e)

  130. Sure, “whatever [President] Trump does becomes ‘the Republican position’ on the issue”, and whatever the following Republican president does will likewise become “the Republican position” on the issue. So what? You seriously advocate not voting for a Republican presidential nominee who’s light-years better than the Democratic nominee, until the Republican nominee convincingly promises you everything you want? Come on.

    Andrew (b12b60)

  131. Purists lose.

    Andrew (b12b60)

  132. purists lose ted boohoos heidi moos

    softly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. like no child left behind and unbalanced budgets defined republicans under w?

    narciso (732bc0)

  134. No trumpers have plenty in common with basketball wives of L.A.

    mg (1c2d1e)

  135. More content free of charge:

    http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/08/07/who-is-hillarys-handler-doctor-stroke-seizure/

    #nevertrump thinks they’ll catch on with the next GOP incarnation. What grandiose maggots.

    DNF (ffe548)

  136. If Trump and Hillary would be equally bad as President, why is it that the #NeverTrumpers seem so much more focused on highlighting ‘Bad Trump’ than they are in highlighting ‘Bad Hillary’?

    Because Bad Hillary is obvious. Nobody here needs to be told how awful she is.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  137. Oh please. She’s not sick, she’s just drunk.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  138. Milhouse gets it.

    Some commenters here seem to want an echo chamber. We all say in unison the same boring stuff about how terrible Hillary is and how we do not agree with her.

    But the smart commenters here (and there are several) think we could also mention that Trump is about as bad as Hillary, maybe worse or maybe not quite as bad, but terrible. And the long term implications of the GOP nominating its worst candidate ever, someone who wanted Hillary to be president the last time she ran, is more important than this single election between Hillary and Hillary’s lapdog.

    See, the GOP just took a massive turn towards big government, authoritarianism, and yes, racism. A guy who says mexicans are rapist and excludes ‘colored’ tenant applications is a racist. The GOP has redefined itself so that it’s actually worse than the democrat party for small government fans. Of course that doesn’t somehow make the democrat party good enough.

    We have to decide… do we vote for Hillary in order to save the nation from Trump, or do we vote for some third party because neither are acceptable?

    Ultimately I don’t think it matters as Hillary is crushing Trump in every swing state. No surprise there… if Patterico and many other bright GOP faithfuls are so critical of the GOP candidate, the normally tight races are going to go to the dems.

    Who to blame? Everyone gets to take a bite of the blame sandwich, but I blame the GOP’s devout the most. The ones who shout “LALALALALA” when you try to explain the party’s problems, and then pose as superior Republicans for being loyal to the bitter end. That was really unhealthy to the party, and look at the sickness we caught.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  139. A little too much detail for #nevertrump buffoons but chart-fu showing capital investment has turned south and business will soon leave off hiring.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/something-not-right

    USD is grossly oversold and will start rising immediately making recession a sure thing.

    DNF (ffe548)

  140. 141. “Milhouse gets it”

    Nothing you could say after that is worth reading.

    DNF (ffe548)

  141. You know what this thread needs? More zerohedge links.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  142. A guy who says mexicans are rapist […] is a racist.

    He didn’t say that. He said the people Mexico is sending us are their worst, not their best. Is it racist to point out that the Mariel boatlift included an awful lot of criminals and undesirables? Is that anyting like saying that Cubans are criminals and undesirables?! Trump was basically calling the current cross-border migration Mexico’s Mariel. That Mexico is ridding itself of its robbers, rapists, and murderers, by sending them here. And the stats seem to show that the uncontrolled flow of border-crossers does indeed have an unrepresentatively high rate of violent criminals. The one real flaw I see in Trump’s claim is that AIUI the majority of those flowing over the border aren’t Mexican, and therefore can’t be blamed on the Mexican government.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  143. “A guy who says mexicans are rapist and excludes ‘colored’ tenant applications is a racist.”

    I don’t buy it. He said that many of the illegals are bad people, but specifically said not all. As for renting apartments in 1973, it’s unclear how much discrimination had been established by his father rather than by Donald Trump, but in any event the son claimed that he wanted to exclude people on welfare and other people whose incomes were too low to ensure ability to pay the rent. I wish that banks in the early years of this millennium had likewise been reluctant to finance people who couldn’t really afford their homes (financial crisis then). The Trumps were not found guilty back in the 1970s for alleged discrimination, they signed an agreement with DOJ that admitted no wrongdoing, and the New York human rights commissioner (Eleanor Holmes Norton) said the Trumps were singled out because of the size of their company and not because of any unusual renting practices.

    Andrew (b12b60)

  144. Mr. Trump is the least racist one of all

    omg especially next to Mitt Romney

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. 144. Versus, let us guess, Mother Jones, Dabiq, Beyonce videos, what?

    DNF (ffe548)

  146. here’s a picture of Mitt Romney judging someone very very harshly, solely because of the color of their skin

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  147. in this picture, mitt romney’s just effing had it with that black man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. First they all told us he was just running to get Hillary elected, then he would lose the primary

    LBascom, that doesn’t make any sense. You’re contradicting yourself in order to burn a particularly silly strawman.

    But at the end of the day, Trump is probably worse than Hillary even with Hillary’s worst traits well exposed. Trump’s the worst presidential candidate in my life and I hope he loses. By all means disagree, but most Americans do not.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  149. Mr. Trump is a clean break from a corrupt and anti-American Republican party that was going nowhere good very very fast.

    He’s the best thing that could have happened. This is Providence.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  150. Mr. Trump is the black swan we were hoping and praying for.

    This is why Mitt hates him so much.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. happyfeet, now you are smearing Mitt Romney as a racist? You are a scumbag.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  152. 151. “Trump is probably worse than Hillary even with Hillary’s worst traits well exposed.”

    This is just SF Nan’s practice. If some obvious falsehood cannot be exhaustively proven in over a finite period, we’ll just put it out there as tho true.

    Your mother would be ashamed.

    DNF (ffe548)

  153. More zerohedge links.

    Or Drudge polls.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  154. Along about October, when America just wants those two fools to fall into a woodchipper, a write-in candidacy for a sane alternative will seem credible. Heck, the libertarian might even win, these two are so bad.

    It will be interesting to see how they keep him out of the debates.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  155. Kevin, SPQR, you know how it goes around here at Patterico’s place these days.

    It’s too bad.

    Lying trolls stink the place up.

    But honestly, their goal is to make everyone tired and just give up. Then this will be a place for them to fling their poo and hoot.

    Kind of is, nowadays.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  156. it never hurts to keep looking for sunshine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. I did not watch Trump’s speech.
    Nor did I read the transcript.
    Any Trumpkins who did?
    Want to tell us some some good things he said?
    Or, is it: “lol, who cares? He our daddy.”

    nk (dbc370)

  158. he’s gonna make the taxes more better especially the corporate ones

    and he’s gonna stop the job-raping regulations

    and he’s gonna do more tax credit on childcare, hoping to draw more people into the anemic failmerican workforce

    and he’s gonna make the trades more fair

    and he’s gonna do it with élan

    stinkypig by contrast is gonna take those coal workers and put them on welfare the rest their lives

    she’s such an evil seizured up pig i can’t even handle her

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. btw how do you like that hike in utilities, and sewage rates,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/hah-hah-donald-trump-mocks-hillary-protesters-detroit-speech-bernie-supporters-much/

    did you vote for rahm or chunky garcia,

    narciso (732bc0)

  160. Shovel ready Chicagoans probably want planned parenthoods help.

    mg (1c2d1e)

  161. and property taxes

    don’t forget rahm’s super-big property tax hike to slop the pension piggies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. mcmullen, does look like the candidate put forth by carlson, that gave you governor target,

    narciso (732bc0)

  163. Trump is going to lower my property taxes and water bill? Nobody tells me anything. Can he do something about the price of aragula, too? It’s a disgrace. I have to take the subway to find it and then I get sticker shock when I do.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. you had to vote for either kang or kodos, so which one, or you don’t pay attention to that either,

    narciso (732bc0)

  165. i have the same problem with turnip greens

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  166. Dustin… no offense and we all have our faults and peccadillos (okay, happyfeet has a peccadildo) but you really need to work on the smug/smarmy verbiage and delivery thing. Sweet Jaysus, it grates on one’s soul.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. Trump is going to silk-line your mangina, nk. A win-win.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  168. Trump also said he would get fix of the death tax, IMO the most onorous part of a awful tax system.

    Dustin, I was just listing what nevertrumpers said, I made no claim they made sense. I would never claim that, especially after reading your comments.

    LBascom (7c41f2)

  169. Get rid of the death tax…

    LBascom (7c41f2)

  170. I voted for my alderman and state representative because they both came to my door and asked me personally. And there were other alternatives to Rahm and Garcia on the ballot, but the important thing is that both Rahm and Garcia are far superior persons to Donald Trump. Not Kang, not Kodos — Daley-light or Washington-light. I wouldn’t vote for Donald Trump for towel boy at a two-dollar cathouse.

    nk (dbc370)

  171. Go get Milo Yiannopoulos to let you lick his, Haiku, so you can stop obsessing about it with everybody else.

    nk (dbc370)

  172. rahm ‘don’t let a crisis go waste’ emmanuel, and garcia, the latin doc brown, do tell,

    narciso (732bc0)

  173. OT, but I needed a place to yell. It was either share thus with you or band my head into a bleeding mess against my desk.

    I follow several Jewish bloggers who post mainly on Jewish topics, but not entirely. One of them is a committed Hillaryite, and made a post on the election which included the dismissive line “25 years of anti-Hillary propaganda”.
    My comment:
    25 years of Clinton corruption and dishonesty. FTFY.
    Which prompted another reader to spew this.

    .Could you detail this corruption and dishonesty? It is, unfortunately, a given that all politics has a degree of corruption and dishonesty that runs through it. So, it’s not surprising that any politician can be accused of being corrupt or dishonest.
    But, I do wonder what Hillary Clinton has in her catalogue of corruption and dishonesty that designates her as markedly more corrupt and dishonest than the other politicians out there. Sure, you can point out “She said this, then did that,” but that’s what all politicians do, conservative and liberal. But what, exac tly, makes up her decades-long record of being much worse than that – such that corruption and dishonesty basically defines her?
    Since you have apparently made a record of her in this regard, one that goes back 25 years, could you please fill us in on the details?

    That, folks, is why we are doomed.

    kishnevi (082931)

  174. I’ve lived, gone to school (all the way through law school), worked, and owned property in Chicago since 1967. Where do you get your expertise from?

    nk (dbc370)

  175. *share this with you or bang*

    kishnevi (082931)

  176. even breaking free of the octopus, doesnt save you,

    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/08/blue_cross_proposes_rate_hike_1.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  177. He stands alone looking at her lamb shanks
    She is so nervous, don’t want another Greek skank
    His lips are dry, he’d give that rump a pounding
    Don’t you just know exactly what he’s thinking
    If you want that lamby, you think it’s sweet as candy
    Come on, Zorba, make yer move
    If you really need it, just reach out and hit it
    Come on, randy, grab some wool, grab some wool, baby

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. is it the jewish journal, they are hamas and peace now, I repeat myself 24/7.

    narciso (732bc0)

  179. It happened to Anthony Kennedy when he got old, too. It must be a California thing.

    nk (dbc370)

  180. I know a couple of Greek farmers, they came late to practice all the time, something about sheep being stuck in the fence…

    mg (1c2d1e)

  181. Will Hillary! continue with Obama’s preferred leftist approach to crime and punishment?

    A convicted crack dealer who left prison early as part of the Obama administration’s mass release of federal inmates has been indicted by a grand jury for fatally stabbing his ex-girlfriend and her two kids in Columbus, Ohio. The gory crime drew national attention because the children, ages 7 and 10, were murdered to eliminate them as witnesses in the brutal massacre of their 32-year-old mother.

    You know he wouldn’t see the light of day under Trump, now would he?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  182. Yup. I know that story. One was a Hillary supporter, and the other a Trump supporter. They find the sheep with its head stuck in the fence, and the Hillary supporter has his way with it. Then he turns to the Trumpkin and says, “Your turn”. And the Trumpkin sticks his head in the fence.

    nk (dbc370)

  183. That, folks, is why we are doomed.

    Yes, people are literally unaware of her decades-long record of felonies.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  184. well that and the looting of nations, and enabling of terrorists,

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/210082/ben-ehrenreich-tamimi

    narciso (732bc0)

  185. Ask whether the guy’s even heard of the cattle futures scandal.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  186. Not how my friends tell it, nk. The ankles were stuck.

    mg (1c2d1e)

  187. Narciso: the blogger known as Dovbear.
    The local Jewish Journal has an ultra Prog as publisher but does run some anti-Obama and proLikud op-eds.

    brutal massacre of their 32-year-old mother.
    Call me a grammar fiend, but using that word to describe the murder of one person is itself a crime against the English language. Unless perhaps the victim had multiple .

    kishnevi (082931)

  188. *multiple personalities*.

    kishnevi (082931)

  189. Their, there, they’re, kishnevi.

    nk (dbc370)

  190. Ewe Send Me” artist: Sam Cookanopoulous

    “Darling ewe send me
    I know ewe send me
    Darling ewe send me
    Honest ewe do, honest ewe do
    Honest ewe do, whoa
    Ewe thrill me
    I know ewe, ewe ewe thrill me
    Darling ewe,ewe, ewe, ewe thrill me
    Honest ewe do

    At first I thought it was infatuation
    Ewe made fly high like a kite
    Now I find myself wanting
    To stock my shelves with gobs of Woolite
    Ewe, ewe, ewe, ewe send me
    I know ewe send me
    I know ewe send me
    Honest ewe do”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  191. Applause for you, Col.
    lol

    mg (1c2d1e)

  192. ah these rocket surgeons I see,

    http://dovbear.blogspot.com/2016/08/sauce-for-goose.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  193. We couldn’t successfully nominate a conservative as the nominee after eight years of Barack, but after four years of Hillary, everyone will probably wake up and smell the coffee. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  194. The Trumps were not found guilty back in the 1970s for alleged discrimination, they signed an agreement with DOJ that admitted no wrongdoing

    “They” did however admit to marking the applications of blacks with a C for “colored” and admitted to rejecting all of those. They denied it was wrong, sure. I guess that works for you.

    If you really think Trump’s comments about Mexicans aren’t racist then you are either blinded by partisanship or have some unfortunate views on race.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  195. Anyone that doesn’t know of Hillaries long record of felonious behavior is willfully ignorant. Trying to get the proverbial horse to drink would definitely lead to beating your head against the wall.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  196. That, folks, is why we are doomed.

    kishnevi (082931) — 8/8/2016 @ 5:36 pm

    kishnevi explaining how someone was ignorant of Hillary’s corruption. Yet he doesn’t plan to vote for Trump.

    As for the question that person was asking about “Isn’t everyone corrupt?”, the answer could be summed up in a single sentence: Hillary Clinton is possibly uniquely corrupt in American history at least for a national politician. I’m not sure who even compares to her except some of the legendary urban political machines.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  197. you would be surprised how many don’t know, mcclatchy, carlos slim, gannett ‘contextualizes’ her offenses, like those in that link above,

    narciso (732bc0)

  198. Nixon had the honor to resign because of 15 or so minutes of missing audio tape…
    Clinton has tens of thousands of missing emails,
    the equivalent of how many minutes of audio if read?
    And is still saying how she was vindicated by Comey.

    Somebody with skills should be able to compile what Comey said and point out that at best she is so “unsophisticated” at managing life in the 21st century as to be incompetent and unqualified,
    or she is a liar and a perjurer…
    But I guess that didn’t bother her husband too much either.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  199. and I think nixon was shortsided, if he had seen the devastation that would be wrought in the security services, law enforcement in general, the coming of the khmer, the boat people, the iranian revolution, all that was part of the backwash of watergate,

    narciso (732bc0)


  200. A moratorium on financial regulations would be a wonderful thing.

    No, it’s a bad idea. It’s a sort of meat ax approach. I don’t like hearing that kind of thing.

    Some regulations, and laws, should be repealed. That takes time, but thats th way to go. In other cases something might correct a bad problem, and maybe took far too long to get that far along in the process. Now if he named 18 different regulations on their way to becoming law, but said several others were OK, or not a bog problem. that would make more sense. One thing is certain, f there are any regulations included that there is strong consensus behind, the moratrium won’t last very long.

    One interesting point. Hillary, in her acceptance speech, actually noted something valid. Businesses don’t gee loans. Dreams die in the parking lot, she said. Well, yes maybe. But Dodd Frank made things worse. What’s she proposing to do about it? That’s in the fine print and is sure to be irrelevant and/or something really bad.

    When Senator from New York, She also made a big point of talking about population and economic activity declining in upstate New York. Of course she had nothing practical that I know of to propose about it, and certainly didn’t do anything that mattered.

    I think the Democratic answer to everything about improving the economy is “infrastructure spending,” and highly inefficient “economic development” crony capitalism. where something gets subsidized for millions of dollars, and results in 45 jobs.

    And if he gets elected, his establishment buddies will tell him what’s what, and he will fall in line

    That’s what he was doing here with this speech. He dropped his own tax plan, and substituted the House Republican plan, or something that resembled it closely, according to CBS News.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  201. Gerald@199
    Persuade me Trump is not an authoritarian crony capitalist with a personality that indicates narcissism, who mistakes schoolyard insults for rhetoric, whose proposals often betray a complete lack of understanding of the issues involved, who freely promises and then reneges…in short, who seems to be an individual totally unqualified to be POTUS, just as bad as Hillary in his own way….persuade me he is not those things, and I will vote for him.

    kishnevi (082931)

  202. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/8/2016 @ 9:53 am

    {Hillary Clinton] actually signed papers which confirm she was “aware” of her obligations.

    She rebked an Ambassador for not using government e-mail.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/05/hillarys-state-dept-forced-the-resignation-of-an-ambassador-for-using-private-e-mail/

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  203. kishnevi,

    Again, you guys are looking to vote for your ideal candidate, whereas we’re telling you that one of the two nominees is going to become the next President.
    So it doesn’t matter what you “want” to become President, rather, it only matters who is on the ballot.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  204. Hillary Clinton is possibly uniquely corrupt in American history at least for a national politician. I’m not sure who even compares to her except some of the legendary urban political machines.

    Come now. She’s hardly unique. There’s a long history of corrupt politicians. They used not to bother hiding it. Then there was a sea change in prosecutorial attitudes, and those old-school corrupt politicians started going to prison. She’s of the first generation that adapted to this change, and took pains to launder the bribes. Thus the cattle futures, the Rose law firm, Whitewater, and more recently the Clinton Foundation.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  205. Again, you guys are looking to vote for your ideal candidate,

    No, we’re just looking for a reason to believe Trump will be better than Clinton. So far we’re not seeing one.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  206. Nobody is looking for a perfect candidate,
    I hear enough straw men from Obama that I don’t need it here.

    Try this,
    Yes, Trump is a terribly disappointing and chaotic candidate,
    that said, Clinton is particularly dishonest and corrupt and voting to minimize her chance of winning is a forceful argument for those in a state where their vote counts.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  207. Kishnevi,
    Try this,
    Clinton will be enabled in causing more trouble,
    Trump will have more resistance, whether it is something good or crazy.

    That, and I keep praying for intervention.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  208. Ask whether the guy’s even heard of the cattle futures scandal.

    Forget it. You could list every single way she’s had her hand out, from false time sheets at the law firm to Whitewater to the WH Travel people all the way to trading here Senate seat and Secretaryship for donations to the Foundation, document everything with links, and he’d say “none of that was ever proven,”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  209. CS
    Both are totally unfit to hold office.
    I will not vote for either one, because that means I am condoning their unfitness.
    It is not a matter of “ideal” candidate. It is a matter of a candidate who is not even minimally qualified.

    A is bad does not automatically equate to not-A is good. Your logic is the equivalent of telling a woman that she has the choice of being raped from the front or the back.

    Months ago I said I would vote for any of the GOP candidates against Clinton except Trump. But he was so bad I would vote for Clinton against him. The only change since then is my intention to vote for NOTA instead of Clinton. I can’t go as far as Dustin. But I will not vote for a man who has no business being President, no matter who his opponent is.

    Now, persuade me I am wrong about Trump, and I will vote for him. But to date I have seen no reason to think I am wrong about him.

    kishnevi (082931)

  210. Anyone can stay home on Election Day. Or they can write in ‘Mickey Mouse.’ Or they can vote for the nominee of the Constitution Party.
    But after all that silliness, it’s still going to be a binary choice regarding who will actually WIN — Trump or Clinton.

    Trump will likely nominate Chris Christie to become the AG, whereas Hillary will go with Loretta Lynch or Tom Perez.
    That right there is the tie-breaker.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  211. Persuade me Trump is not an authoritarian crony capitalist with a personality that indicates narcissism, who mistakes schoolyard insults for rhetoric, whose proposals often betray a complete lack of understanding of the issues involved, who freely promises and then reneges…in short, who seems to be an individual totally unqualified to be POTUS, just as bad as Hillary in his own way….persuade me he is not those things, and I will vote for him.

    kishnevi (082931) — 8/8/2016 @ 7:18 pm

    Well he hasn’t reneged since he’s never been in office. That’s something you’re reading into him. I would say the authoritarian part is more something you think you’re seeing as well.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  212. That, and I keep praying for intervention.

    Amen!

    kishnevi (082931)

  213. on a totally different note, romans 16, is a fascinating little document, ostensibly just a
    sendoff before he moves on to spain, it reveals paul’s deep respect for women in the early church, like phebe, his messenger and priscilla who labored hard, it shows his acknowledgement of high officials in the imperial court of nero, who speaking of confidential communications premature revelation would have meant death,

    narciso (732bc0)

  214. #212 kishnevi wrote,
    I will not vote for either one, because that means I am condoning their unfitness.”

    It’s not about “condoning,” dude.
    And it’s not about “fitness” for office.
    It’s about who’s on the ballot.
    One of the two is going to become the next President.
    You can condemn them both to hell if you want, but one of them is still going to have allll the executive powers ascribed to them as President of the United States.

    I’d rather have Cleveland, Coolidge, or Reagan, but which between Trump/Clinton would you rather have as President for the next four years?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  215. More to the point, Trump’s ONLY argument is “Clinton is worse.” Doesn’t that give people pause?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  216. CS

    I can not prevent one of the two from being elected, but I do not have to consent to either of them.

    You are asking me to vote for the lesser of two demons. If I did that, I would be saying it is okay to be a demon. (And incidentally, saying to the poltical class that I do not really care what schlock they serve me.). I will not do that.

    kishnevi (082931)

  217. kishnevi wrote,
    “… I do not have to consent to either of them.”

    Are you on drugs — for real?
    Wut?
    You absolutely have to consent to the President’s authority.
    This is all so cray-cray.
    A Presidential election is about who is on the ballot. It’s not about who you want.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  218. Here is a reason to vote for Trump; he will be filling cabinet positions from the Republican bench, Hillary will be filling them from the Progressive bench. And if you think Eric Holder and Lois Learner were bad, just wait til you meet Hillary’s enforcers.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  219. Shorter Cruz Supporter
    You are going to get raped, so why resist?

    At least Gerald tried to answer my challenge. You just want me to be a good sheeple.

    kishnevi (082931)

  220. so they say, but why did they hide the name for two days,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729141/Belgian-official-says-machete-attacker-known-petty-crime.html

    and is it a coincidence that they sprung mama barkan that same week?

    narciso (732bc0)

  221. Are you on drugs — for real?
    Wut?
    You absolutely have to consent to the President’s authority.
    This is all so cray-cray.
    A Presidential election is about who is on the ballot. It’s not about who you want.

    Cruz Supporter

    Maybe read Kishnevi’s comment a little more slowly. I know understanding the point of views of others is something you seemingly refuse to attempt, but you’d be a smarter, wiser person if you spent more time listening.

    And this desperate political activism via commenting is ridiculous. Hillary’s already won. She did the day the GOP said they wouldn’t let delegates vote their conscience. The margin of victory will apparently be in the tens of millions. Trump is a thoroughly awful man and when you say it’s either him or Hillary, most Americans say “Hillary, then”. But if a lot of people say “I can’t consent to either” that isn’t wrong. You do not have to consent to corruption and there’s a powerful argument that Hillary doesn’t deserve my vote, even though I intend to vote for her in order to stop someone much worse.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  222. If unfamiliar with it, there is a book “Lest Innocent Blood Be Shed”,
    Quite a remarkable story,
    Includes being unwilling to sign a statement that he would no longer help Jews in occupied France,
    He refused to sign,
    Then was released anyway
    While those who mocked and said to sign and then break his promise were sent to their deaths the next day.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  223. Here is a reason to vote for Trump; he will be filling cabinet positions from the Republican bench, Hillary will be filling them from the Progressive bench. And if you think Eric Holder and Lois Learner were bad, just wait til you meet Hillary’s enforcers.

    LBascom

    You do know who Trump said he would have appointed to be Secretary of State in 2008, right? Hillary!

    So no, there’s no reason to expect that Trump would appoint Republicans to any position, because he wouldn’t. Look at his instincts for going after conservatives. He does it even when there’s no reason to. He’s not on our side.

    And I actually doubt Hillary would be as bad as Obama on really anything.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  224. kishnevi,

    It doesn’t matter if you think each of the two nominees is a bad dinner date, or a demon, or unworthy of your citizenship — one of them is still going to be YOUR President with all of the inherent authority over you ascribed to any Commander in Chief.

    I don’t know what all this talk is about “consenting” to their authority, but you can try to make that case with any federal law enforcement agency or federal court.
    But why wait until next January?
    You’re not a fan of Barack, right?
    So why not test your consent to Barack’s authority?
    Go violate a federal law, and report back to us about how your rejection of Barack’s authority is interpreted by the feds.

    I remember when the cukoo Cindy Sheehan crowd used to cry, “George W Bush is not MY President!
    Um, yes he is sweetie. Yes he is.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  225. if trump becomes president, it will be again, if on the other hand, mcmullan and co, manage to swing it to queen cersei, well you can forget about any dissent at any level, she was hating cops at yale law, when obama was 8 years old in indonesia, she sought pilgrimage to alinski, as d’nesh put, like shackleton discovering scott,

    narciso (732bc0)

  226. “Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown, the mysterious, the unexplainable. Rest easy, let me tell you how it will be.”

    — Dustin

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. You love making up things the other person never said so you can argue against them, don’t you, CS? kishnevi did not say that he will not consent to the authority whomever is elected President. He said he does not consent to vote for any of the choices given.

    nk (dbc370)

  228. *of* whomever

    nk (dbc370)

  229. in texas, it’s not going to matter, if one has to worry about texas, it’s like 2012, the movie, in illinois it probably won’t matter either, it’s fear the walking dead, but in swing states it probably will,

    narciso (732bc0)

  230. And the swing states this year won’t be Ohio, Pennsylvania. Instead, they’ll be Georgia, Utah, etc.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  231. You gotta love Cruz Supporter. He keeps swinging for the fences…and whiffing badly. But goshdangit, he tries so hard.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  232. @ Kevin M, #218

    While I agree with you, it would be remiss of me to fail to point out that Clinton’s only real argument is “Trump is worse.” (I refuse to count “first female president” as a real argument.)

    That’s what’s been exciting about this election. It’s a real barnburner of suck. Both candidates are busy racing each other to the bottom, and the one who loses that race gets the consolation prize of running the free world for the next four years.

    Well, it’ll be free when they start, anyway…

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  233. Persuade me Trump is not an authoritarian crony capitalist with a personality that indicates narcissism, who mistakes schoolyard insults for rhetoric, whose proposals often betray a complete lack of understanding of the issues involved, who freely promises and then reneges…in short, who seems to be an individual totally unqualified to be POTUS, just as bad as Hillary in his own way….persuade me he is not those things, and I will vote for him.

    kishnevi (082931) — 8/8/2016 @ 7:18 pm

    Well he hasn’t reneged since he’s never been in office. That’s something you’re reading into him. I would say the authoritarian part is more something you think you’re seeing as well.

    Gerald A (76f251) — 8/8/2016 @ 8:11 pm

    I should add that if you believe he’ll renege, then you must agree with some of what he’s promising, which contradicts the fairly persistent, mindless Never Trumper theme that he’s indistinguishable from Hillary.

    Gerald A (945582)

  234. I can not prevent one of the two from being elected, but I do not have to consent to either of them.

    You are asking me to vote for the lesser of two demons. If I did that, I would be saying it is okay to be a demon.

    No, you wouldn’t be. Voting for someone does not constitute consent. If a mugger gives you the classic choice: “Your money or your life”, does choosing to keep your life constitute consent for him to take your money?! Of course not. When people fled from Hitler’s certain death to Stalin’s tyranny, were they consenting to the latter?! Voting for a lesser evil merely means one wishes to avoid the greater. It’s escaping from the fire into the frying pan.

    The question facing us in this election is which evil is the greater. There are legitimate arguments on either side, and there’s also a legitimate argument that they’re both so bad that the difference is irrelevant.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  235. Gerald A (76f251) — 8/8/2016 @ 6:38 pm

    Hillary Clinton is possibly uniquely corrupt in American history at least for a national politician. I’m not sure who even compares to her except some of the legendary urban political machines.

    If (unintelligent) corruption was the only character problem with Hillary Clinton, I wouldn’t feel so bad.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  236. Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:53 am

    there’s also a legitimate argument that they’re both so bad that the difference is irrelevant.

    They’re bad in different ways, and in some respects, Hillary Clinton being a more competent person, which she probably is, is a minus.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  237. Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:53 am

    People seem to believe voting for someone means you’re marrying them or something. It’s strange IMO.

    Gerald A (945582)

  238. The main reason to oppose Trump in the primary was that he has little to no chance of winning a general election. Yes, a miracle can occur and he could win so I understand why people who don’t care for Trump will vote for him, but it’s unlikely and that has been clear from the start. This is one of many bad consequences of nominating Trump.

    Instead of accepting that, some seem to expect us to act like Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber: Because there is a chance Trump can win and a chance he will Make America Great based on the power of his personality, conservatives should vote for a man who doesn’t understand or care about conservative principles and values? Apparently everything is negotiable with Trump and with his supporters.

    DRJ (15874d)

  239. If you want to be for the same candidate as this guy:

    KISSIMMEE, Fla. – Hillary Clinton spoke to a crowd in Kissimmee, just south of Orlando. She was supposed to be talking jobs, but started the speech off paying tribute to those affected by the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

    “I know how many people, families, loved ones, and friends are still grieving, and we will be with you as you rebuild your lives.”

    WPTV happened to notice the man, who has a mustache and was wearing a red hat, behind Clinton. It was Seddique Mateen , the father of Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen.

    NewsChannel 5 asked Mateen what he was thinking about when Clinton spoke about the Orlando incident.

    “We’ve been cooperating with the federal government, and that’s about it,” he said. “Thank you.” Mateen didn’t want to answer any other questions, but just hours later, we ran into him by chance at a rest stop on the way back to West Palm Beach. He wanted to do an interview and show us a sign he made for Clinton.

    “Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” he said.

    We asked what went into his decision to go to the event right near Orlando, where the Pulse Nightclub shooting happened.

    “I spoke a lot about that and wish that my son joined the Army and fought ISIS. That would be much better,” he said.

    When questioned whether Clinton’s campaign knew he was going to the event and sitting directly behind the presidential candidate, Mateen said, ” It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”

    Finally we asked if he thought some people would be surprised to see him there, especially given the proximity to Orlando.

    “Why should they be surprised? I love the United States, and I’ve been living here a long time,” Mateen said.

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    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  240. sorry, I forgot to edit.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  241. Gerald A,

    Principles matter to me. I will bend them but I won’t break them, and I don’t have to marry someone to expect them to share some of my principles if they want my vote.

    DRJ (15874d)

  242. Why is this so hard for some people?

    Deciding how to vote is a personal decision and a matter of conscience. This used to be a positive aspect of American society that we celebrated. Now we are so desperate that Groupthink is applauded and voting one’s conscience is literally booed. This is very sad.

    DRJ (15874d)

  243. The main reason to oppose Trump in the primary was that he has little to no chance of winning a general election. Yes, a miracle can occur and he could win so I understand why people who don’t care for Trump will vote for him, but it’s unlikely and that has been clear from the start. This is one of many bad consequences of nominating Trump.

    Instead of accepting that, some seem to expect us to act like Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber: Because there is a chance Trump can win and a chance he will Make America Great based on the power of his personality, conservatives should vote for a man who doesn’t understand or care about conservative principles and values? Apparently everything is negotiable with Trump and with his supporters.

    DRJ (15874d) — 8/9/2016 @ 6:56 am

    The bolded parts contradict each other.

    Principles matter to me. I will bend them but I won’t break them, and I don’t have to marry someone to expect them to share some of my principles if they want my vote.

    As I’ve repeatedly tried to point out, my main reason for voting for Trump is SCOTUS, which has to do with a very important principle, the Constitution. Trump has made it clear he doesn’t want a 5th anti-Second Amendment judge on SCOTUS, and I feel pretty confident he would appoint someone with the right position on the Second Amendment. It follows that such appointees would also tend to take other pro-Constitution positions.

    What are the principles of yours that Trump doesn’t share DRJ?

    Gerald A (945582)

  244. the foolishness of fideloflake and that other george hamilton lookalike is not manifest,

    http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40983762&nid=148&title=poll-trump-leads-clinton-in-utah-libertarian-johnson-surging

    narciso (732bc0)

  245. keep chasing the squirrels, they’re good exercise,

    https://inquir.io/2016/08/05/donald-trump-leading-new-polls/#.V6nnDLgrK01

    narciso (732bc0)

  246. Hoagie, I thought you’d channeled James Joyce, streaming the mind of a typical internet user. I was impressed! And then you apologized. Oh well …

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  247. The question facing us in this election is which evil is the greater. There are legitimate arguments on either side, and there’s also a legitimate argument that they’re both so bad that the difference is irrelevant.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:53 am

    This purveyor of this blog, so far as I can tell, is not actually arguing that Trump is not better in some respects, but more that Trump would in some way alter what the GOP stands for even after he’s no longer in office. I find that extremely nebulous. Likewise I don’t believe a President Cruz would change the GOP in any long term way either. The post-Reagan years should make that pretty clear.

    Gerald A (945582)

  248. doing stinkypig judges on the wiggle giggles will be so good

    stroke the principles softly like fuffy kitty

    it makes purr purr noise

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  249. More abortions.
    Fewer welfare recipients.
    Fewer criminals.
    Fewer idiots on the internet.

    It will help make America great again.

    nk (dbc370)

  250. then why did we have to wallow in all that yummy planned parenthood abortion porn all year if we actually wanna do abort on all the wiggle giggles

    it make no sense

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  251. O tempores, o mores.

    nk (dbc370)

  252. the abbatoirs must run, so must robertscare, a fish of a scale,

    narciso (732bc0)

  253. Gerald, this article perfectly explains where the never trumpers are coming from, especially in light of this post: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/08/the_antitrump_rights_sad_quest_for_respectability.html

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  254. And once we identify the gay gene, even mo better abortions.

    nk (dbc370)

  255. They are not contradictory, Gerald A. The main reason primary voters should not have voted for Trump is that he isn’t electable in the general. The main reason conservative voters should not vote for Trump is that he doesn’t share their values.

    What are the principles of yours that Trump doesn’t share DRJ?

    Too many to count, but here are a few:

    1. There are absolute moral truths. Someone who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t need God’s mercy and forgiveness doesn’t believe in moral truths. His views on faith, family, and abortion are also very different than mine.

    2. There are good conservative reasons for custom, consistency, and not changing for the sake of change. Trump changes daily, sometimes hourly.

    3. Leaders should have the capacity for humility. Trump doesn’t, and is proud of it.

    4. America is built on individual freedom from government tyranny. Trump doesn’t value limited government. In fact, he wants big government and spending. (Forget tax cuts.)

    5. Closely linked to freedom is a respect for property rights. Trump loves Kelo.

    6. I respect the Constitution, something I honestly doubt Trump has even read and would not sacrifice to support. He wants to limit the 1st Amendment and as for the 2nd Amendment, he thought Obama’s gun restrictions were good after the Newtown school shooting.

    You may trust Trump but I don’t.

    DRJ (15874d)

  256. DRJ,

    I believe Trump can be trusted wrt his promises to be unfaithful. It appears 60% of the electorate trust him in that respect.

    Rick Ballard (5abada)

  257. 1. There are absolute moral truths. Someone who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t need God’s mercy and forgiveness doesn’t believe in moral truths. His views on faith, family, and abortion are also very different than mine.

    2. There are good conservative reasons for custom, consistency, and not changing for the sake of change. Trump changes daily, sometimes hourly.

    3. Leaders should have the capacity for humility. Trump doesn’t, and is proud of it.

    4. America is built on individual freedom from government tyranny. Trump doesn’t value limited government. In fact, he wants big government and spending. (Forget tax cuts.)

    5. Closely linked to freedom is a respect for property rights. Trump loves Kelo.

    6. I respect the Constitution, something I honestly doubt Trump has even read and would not sacrifice to support. He wants to limit the 1st Amendment and as for the 2nd Amendment, he thought Obama’s gun restrictions were good after the Newtown school shooting.

    Quoted for emphasis.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  258. did you note my commentary on romans 16, a remarkable document,

    narciso (732bc0)

  259. 1. Trump didn’t say he doesn’t need God’s mercy, he said he trys to not need to be forgiven. It’s like a guy saying he trys not to do anything that will send him to prison, and so you claim he doesn’t believe in prisons.

    2. Trump isn’t into change for changes sake, that is the progressives. Trump says he wants to restore America, not change America.

    3. Sounds like your definition of humility would bar any strong self confident man from being a leader.

    4. Facts not in evidence. Trump has said he wants to repeal Obamacare, cut regulations, and and create the conditions for a stronger private sector. He believes in the individuals right to ownership and keep their guns, supports states rights, and has vowed to nominate SCJ’s that will be faithful to the constitution.

    5. Eliminate domain has been the law of the land forever, and without it you would not have any of the infrastructure of a modern country. No highways, pipelines, railroads, powerlines, nothing.

    6. Trump may or may not understand the constitution as well as you folks that supported the natural born Canadian for president, but he does respect the law, and will be under the authority of the constitution as such as president.

    Anyway, if your conscience dictates to you you should withhold your vote against Hillary, who surpasses all those points against Trump plus a thousand more, and allow her pack the supreme court with people that will destroy the constitution forever, your conscience may need an exorcism. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/09/obsessive-narcissism-nevertrump/

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  260. Throw him out of your Church.
    Do not wish him Godspeed.
    Do not even eat with him.
    Do not cast your pearls before swine.

    A remarkable document indeed, the Holy Word of the Almighty, a document Trump wouldn’t deign to read, much less accept.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  261. thats so true of so much of the political establishment, in every state,

    narciso (732bc0)

  262. In tempting Jesus, Satan himself quoted Holy Scripture. He knows it very well.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  263. That’s the new, improved version of the Donald, LBascom. Here is the original, unvarnished Trump on forgiveness:

    Donald Trump told a well-known Christian conservative writer that he hopes not to have to ask God “for much forgiveness.”

    In an interview with political columnist Cal Thomas, the presumptive Republican nominee was asked about his statement in 2015 that he had not asked God for forgiveness. This time, he gave a slightly different answer.

    “I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness,” he said.

    DRJ (15874d)

  264. Everyone knows Hillary is evil.
    Many of us also know Trump is evil.

    And by “evil”, I mean evil.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  265. one of them is still going to be YOUR President with all of the inherent authority over you ascribed to any Commander in Chief.

    Unless kishinevi is a member of the armed forces, the Commander in Chief has no inherent authority over him.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  266. So Trump, who declared he has never asked the Lord for forgiveness, has declared that on some future date, he will ask for a little forgiveness. But that future date will be when Trump is dead, and facing his final judgment. A point in time when it is already too late.

    But I don’t even believe that statement from Trump. He was saying what he thought he needed to say to one of them there Christian types, not even knowing what it means to be a Christian, and not even knowing what Salvation is or what Repentance is.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  267. I should add that if you believe he’ll renege, then you must agree with some of what he’s promising, which contradicts the fairly persistent, mindless Never Trumper theme that he’s indistinguishable from Hillary.

    Um, what? No, it doesn’t. Since his word is worth nothing, it makes no difference what he promises.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  268. Here we go again, for the umpteenth time. Trump on ObamaCare:

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

    This is Trump’s website. This is what it has always said. Trump will leave ObamaCare to Congress. Trump won’t sign waivers for ObamaCare compliance the way Obama has done for years, and the way Cruz promised to do on Day One.

    Trump wants to negotiate with Congress on everything, including a Democratic Senate (because he doesn’t mind if the GOP loses the Senate). These are the “promises” you are relying on. They are worthless, like a debtor taking his last $100 to buy lottery tickets in the hopen he wI’ll be sAve from filing bankruptcy..

    DRJ (15874d)

  269. #271 Milhouse,

    Pedantry, pedantry.
    I was obviously using “Commander in Chief” as a euphenism for “President” or “President of the United States,” or “President of the United States of America.”
    One day, I may even get creative and refer to the President as “El Jefe.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  270. Eminent domain never meant taking property for private purposes until Kelo.

    DRJ (15874d)

  271. IMO Trump respects authority, not the law. He picks and chooses the laws he likes, so bankruptcy laws are great but First Amendment laws need changing. In other words, laws are for us little people, as Prof Reynolds likes to say.

    DRJ (15874d)

  272. The main reason to oppose Trump in the primary was that he has little to no chance of winning a general election.

    No. The main reason to oppose him in the primary was the fear that he might win.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  273. As a Paradise Island Marine and the father of a Fort Lost In The Woods Soldier, I can tell you President and Commander in Chief are two very different things. The Commander in Chief is absolutely your boss. The POTUS is not.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  274. . Trump has made it clear he doesn’t want a 5th anti-Second Amendment judge on SCOTUS,

    And I am not such a fool as to believe him.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  275. John Hitchcock,

    I apologize if I annoyed you by euphemistically substituting “Commander in Chief” when I ought to have plainly said “President of the United States of America.”
    We can move on from it, right?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  276. Mr. Trump is so much more condign than the stinkypig that I have no choice but to support him very much in my heart

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  277. Ah, Mr. Feet! You will be voting this time?

    Except I remember saying you had before…and you hadn’t.

    Go back to kibitzing folks playing poker.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  278. When the railroads were built eliminate domain was used for public good, but the railroad companies were private and benefited immensely. Kelo may have stretched the point in ruling that for tax purposes there was a public good in a private concern benefiting from eliminate domain, but it was declared constitutional by the Supremes. You and I may not like it, but if Trump does, that doesn’t make him an unconstitutional thief. That makes him someone that agrees with the Supreme court and the constitution (as the Supreme Court interprets it). Period.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  279. 277- that’s a pretty fine line you’re describing. The law IS authority, and wanting to change it rather than just disobeying it IS respecting the law.

    BTW, do YOU want to change KELO? It’s the law…

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  280. right evil like colluding with the looter of nigeria, the abetter of hezbollah,

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-new-batch-hillary-clinton-emails/

    narciso (732bc0)

  281. nonono not voting

    i don’t wanna do jury duties next year

    that would suck cause I have my own agenda

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  282. stinkypig judges will do kelo so good

    property rights lol

    you in america now boy

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  283. yes, I have heard him compared to ahab, that would make melania jezebel, nebuchanezzar, maybe he’s just justinian,

    narciso (732bc0)

  284. @ LBascom, 264:

    If voting for Trump is voting against Hillary, why isn’t voting for Gary Johnson (my current plan) ALSO voting against Hillary? Certainly neither is a vote FOR her, the arguments of Trumpers to the contrary.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  285. what does blunt man, stand for, a very peculiar conception of civil liberty, best identified by bill maher

    narciso (732bc0)

  286. Come on Demos, don’t be obtuse. Voting for anyone other than Trump (or not voting at all if you’re a republican) works to Hillarys benefit. If you can’t figure that out, I can’t help you.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  287. #290 Demosthenes,

    If the objective is to defeat Hillary, then voting for Gary Johnson doesn’t defeat Hillary.
    Voting for a candidate other than Hillary does not defeat her.
    Rather, voting for a candidate who can win the electoral college is what defeats her.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  288. nevertrumpers do sophistry all up in it

    it’s not good

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  289. Pedantry, pedantry.
    I was obviously using “Commander in Chief” as a euphenism for “President” or “President of the United States,” or “President of the United States of America.”

    No, it is not pendantry. If you don’t understand what the title “commander in chief” means, you shouldn’t use it.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  290. Eminent domain never meant taking property for private purposes until Kelo.

    Well, it did, which is why Kelo came out the way it did. But it shouldn’t have. Eminent domain for genuine public use is bad enough, but there’s a natural limit to it, because there’s only so much land the public can use. Once it’s allowed for private use there’s no limit. Even 100% of the land is not a limit, because the same land can be taken multiple times. It’s a gold-plated invitation for corruption.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  291. You and I may not like it, but if Trump does, that doesn’t make him an unconstitutional thief.

    No, it makes him a constitutional thief.

    That makes him someone that agrees with the Supreme court and the constitution (as the Supreme Court interprets it).

    Which makes him exactly like an abortionist.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  292. Wait.

    Happyfeet accuses other people of sophistry…and does not plan to vote despite all of his uberweirdo nastiness?

    I’m not surprised, but it does beg the question: why do you post here at all?

    Other than being a dick, I mean?

    Can anyone explain this person? Patterico? nk?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  293. that’s a pretty fine line you’re describing. The law IS authority,

    No, it isn’t. They’re very different things. Trump couldn’t give a **** about the law, or about right or wrong. I don’t think he even understands the concept. All he cares about is authority, strength, power. That’s why he’s such a bully. He thinks might makes right, so he makes himself as mighty as he can, and has no problem using the law as a weapon. Which is evil (not to mention illegal).

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  294. #295 Milhouse,

    Milhouse, go enjoy a cold drink. A chill pill might work, too. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  295. Oh hogwash Milhouse. The law is the authority. The police, the army, the president himself has no authority outside the law. And saying Trump doesn’t give a **** about the law is pure projection. As for being a bully, I think alpha males just scare you. Trump is a fighter, but he doesn’t start fights. He punches back. That’s not a bully, that’s a man. That may be a politically incorrect thing to be in America today, but screw PC.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  296. it’s not good, Mr. Jester, how the nevertrumpers do the sophistry all up in it

    the key thing is to defeat that stinkypig

    and there’s only one way to do that

    it’s like in that one movie where there was a baleful foe, and there was only one way that foe could be defeated

    that’s how we have to roll – and there’s no time for guacamole

    we gotta beat that pig!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  297. Happyfeet, you should be ashamed of yourself for not voting to dodge the civic duty of jury duty. That’s just as selfish as refusing to work, signing up for food stamps, and spending your life playing video games in your mom’s basement all day.

    Not cool Poindexter, not cool…

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  298. Trump does not fight. He talks. He insults. He rants. He curses. He whines. He hires lawyers to threaten and to sue. Alpha male, my fat aunt Fanny. Every b!tchy broad does that.

    nk (dbc370)

  299. i’m very ashamed

    but i have my own agenda

    when you failmerican losers re-elected food stamp you lost my civic participation

    no more charitable givings

    no more volunteers

    no more recycles

    and no more jury duties

    I have my own agenda

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  300. Don’t blame me for Obama, I voted for Romney, even though I threw up a little in the back of my mouth when I did it.

    I’m pretty sure you can blame the nevertrumpers types that stayed home last time though. Shot their own danglethingy off to remain pure to their pretty principles they did.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  301. LBascom, it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re a bully too. Using the law as a weapon is not being a man, it’s being a monster. And authority is not the law, it is naked power. Mussolini, or the Godfather.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  302. oh my goodness Mr. Bascom is not a bully

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  303. LBascom,

    This is your nominee and his idea of respect for the Rule of Law:

    Donald Trump says ‘Second Amendment people’ may be the only check on Clinton judicial appointments

    DRJ (15874d)

  304. 304- I beg to differ. http://articles.philly.com/1991-11-20/news/25769814_1_donald-trump-marla-maples-big-bat

    You ever done anything like that?

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  305. Milhouse is right, LBascom. In America, there is a big difference between the Rule of law and authority. Clinton and Trump and Obama want to change that, and it’s working. We are more like a Third World Country where the citizens don’t see the difference between the power to do something and the right to do it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  306. happyfeet, if LBascom thinks that using the law as a weapon is not bullying, then he’s probably a bully himself.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  307. when stinkypig is your answer you axing the wrong question

    it’s a pooper answer

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  308. the law *is* a weapon in failmerica

    i thought everyone knew that

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  309. What a load. What Trump was referring to is the NRA, who has fought for the second amendment for a hundred years against that nonsense.

    Besides, even if you want to buy the spin and get all outraged like a puppet 0n a string, isn’t that ultimately what the second amendment is for, or isn’t that a conservative thing now?

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”
    —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    Be a Freeman, not a slave.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  310. yes yes tyranny is no good

    let’s shoot it!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  311. LBascom,

    What would it take for you to disavow Trump? At this point, is there anything he could possibly do that would make you decide he can’t be trusted?

    DRJ (15874d)

  312. That last was for #309.

    DRJ, a tyrant may have the power to enforce an unjust or unconstitutional law, but that doesn’t mean they have the authority to do so. That authority comes from the constitution, and the consent of the governed. If it doesn’t it’s not lawful, it’s tyrannical.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  313. No, LBascom, authority comes from the barrel of a gun, the punch of a fist, or the menacing of a large man willing to do violence. That is the authority that Trump respects.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  314. Of course there is DRJ. But at this point it would have to be pretty spectacular.

    It would have to be proved he is a traitor, or a murderer, or laughs at little girls being raped, because I already know that Hillary is guilty of all those things. I know that is a pretty tall order, but I’m a realist.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  315. Jailhouse, you confuse power and force with authority. A cop has the power to shoot you for speeding, but he meant have the authority to. The president has the power to read all your emails, but he doesn’t have the authority to. It would be illegal.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  316. Oops, Milhouse, not jailhouse, sorry.

    Stupid autocorrect, gotta watch it every second, it thinks it has the authority to change my text.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  317. Lbascom, you’re arguing dishonestly. You’re redefinding authority in order to pervert the truth. Trump respects authority as in authoritarian government, not in the sense you’re using it.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  318. You should turn autocorrect off. It’s an evil device, I don’t understand why anyone uses it. The errors you make yourself are likely to be understood. The errors it introduces are not. (I assume this is why you keep writing of “eliminate domain” too.)

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  319. Today in Dumb History: This Stupid Thing Happened

    Trump makes an inelegant statement about 2nd Amendment supporters being a big force in deciding if Hillary gets to appoint her 4-5 Very Young Turk liberal justices to replace our very old and soon to retire majority-of-the-SC, and then everyone loses their sh!t with preposterous hysteria.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  320. oh my goodness National Soros Radio just peed itself

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  321. 304- I beg to differ. http://articles.philly.com/1991-11-20/news/25769814_1_donald-trump-marla-maples-big-bat

    You ever done anything like that?

    Yes, yes, I have, almost exactly like that. Except that the guy did not have a bat, it was a metal rod. And other occasions kind of similar too. And I did not have a chauffeur to back me up, or a concealed carry permit to give me more balls, and I was not paying Marla Maples to tell the world what a great big he-man I was. My story is true — Trump’s story, coming from his doxie, I suspect to be as phony as his hair.

    nk (dbc370)

  322. Thing is Milhouse, I’m the world’s worst speller. Caught between a rock and a hard place, I am. It doesn’t help that the device I’m on is determined to make proofreading as difficult as possible either.

    Wah! Why does everything hafta be so hard!

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  323. @ LBascom (#292)

    Come on Demos, don’t be obtuse. Voting for anyone other than Trump (or not voting at all if you’re a republican) works to Hillarys benefit.

    I am not being obtuse. You are being reductive and simplistic. You want to say that a vote is cast in context — that only two candidates can win, that Hillary is leading, and so a vote cast for anyone besides Trump is a vote for Hillary. Right? But from where I’m sitting, there’s more context to my situation than exists in your appraisal. And I’m not talking about ideological considerations…I’m talking about purely practical considerations.

    We do not vote in one big national election. We vote in fifty-six elections (the fifty states, plus DC, plus each congressional district in Maine and Nebraska.) And I can only affect one of them. Well, it just so happens that I live in a very red state where Trump leads in the polls. You tell me that if I vote for Johnson, I’m really voting for Hillary. But if I cast my vote for Trump, I don’t see that it will make any difference. If he wins my state by the margin I expect him to, my voting for him or against him won’t change the fact that he’ll take all of my state’s electoral votes. And if he really does need my vote to win in my state, then he’s probably lost every swing state (at a minimum), and thus the election.

    What I am trying to put across to you, my increasingly tiresome interlocutor, is that your simplistic, top-down “Vote for Trump, or you’ll be voting for Hillary” argument is fatally flawed for tens of millions of people in this nation — specifically, those who live in states that are solid red or solid blue. I’m one of those people. So when you try and guilt me into voting for Trump by saying that otherwise I’ll be partly responsible for Hillary’s election, I just laugh at you. Your approach to persuading me is as amusing as it is misguided.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  324. @ Cruz Supporter (#293)

    If the objective is to defeat Hillary, then voting for Gary Johnson doesn’t defeat Hillary. Voting for a candidate other than Hillary does not defeat her. Rather, voting for a candidate who can win the electoral college is what defeats her.

    If I were being really pedantic, I would point out that Trump is “a candidate other than Hillary.” But I know what you meant.

    Since you seem to have a basic understanding of the Electoral College, I trust you understood what I just told LBascom. So here’s my pledge to you: if you can demonstrate to me why my assessment of the situation is wrong, and why my vote in a seemingly-safe Trump state would actually be a contribution of any importance to keeping Hillary from winning the Electoral College, then I promise to arrive at an answer to the question of whether Trump or Hillary would be the lesser evil, and cast my vote for that candidate.

    As it is, though: I’m not sure my objective is just “to defeat Hillary.” Don’t get me wrong — I don’t want Hillary to win. But then again, I don’t want Trump to win either. I can’t help but be aware of how unlikely it is that I’ll get both my wishes, because people like you are constantly telling me that it’s a binary choice, and I have to pick one or the other. But as I already said, given the situation where I live, I’m pretty sure that’s a false dichotomy. So “go it, Gary Johnson” is my attitude…unless you can convince my otherwise.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  325. nope

    there’s only one way to stop stinkypig

    just the one way

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  326. @331- Watch her eyes. Look into her face. Note the days she is ‘off the campaign trail’ too.

    Suspect she is not healthy. And they’re hiding it. Look! Squirrel! Deflect, deflect, deflect.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  327. nk, you are one of those people that if Trump sold all he owns and gave it to the poor, donned sack cloth and ashes, and spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and washing the feet of the homeless, you would just sneer that he is just trying to buy his way into heaven.

    You should just throw in for Hillary so you could spend some of your time extolling the virtues of someone, it would probably do your soul some good.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  328. My grandfather fought in the Balkan Wars and was awarded a Cross for Valor, similar to the DSC. The only war story he told my father was the time a farmer sold his squad five lbs. of shelled corn. They had been on the march for months and were sick of field rations. The real thing does not brag.

    nk (dbc370)

  329. I have to say, I envy happyfeet in a sense. It must be easier to vomit out his brand of brain-samaged word salad than to reason with people at length.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  330. Hmm…that should have been “brain-damaged” at #335, obviously. Must make sure my “d” key is not dddddddddone for. :)

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  331. Trump didn’t brag, he was asked about it. Because other people told the story.

    Whatever, sneer away. I guess everyone has a hobby.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  332. I have my own agenda

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:05 pm

    Yes, sweetie, you do. You are the ultimate neverTrumper.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  333. nk does not withhold his right to his own opinion,
    and the more you try to back him into a corner,
    the more he will refuse.

    Much better to ask for clarification rather than be confrontational.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  334. Demosthenes,

    Seriously, bro, the pedantic semantics gets old.
    The whole “IT’S NOT A GODDAMN BINARY CHOICE ‘CUZ I CAN VOTE FOR MICKEY MOUSE OR FOR THE NOMINEE OF THE CONSTITUTION PARTY!!!!” argument really gets sappy after awhile.
    That’s the argument of someone wants who wants to win an argument on paper rather than someone who wants to win an election in the real world.

    Go ahead and vote for Mickey Mouse.
    Vote for Ted Cruz.
    Vote for Joe Gasbag of the Constitution Party.

    But there’s really only two choices for who will become the next president & commander in chief.

    Trump … or Hillary.

    There’s nothing new to say about it.
    Nope. It’s still the same. It’s either Trump or Hillary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  335. I thought Demosthenes was very clear on pointing out the actual facts on the ground concerning casting his vote.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  336. But there’s really only two choices for who will become the next president & commander in chief.

    Trump … or Hillary.

    And we’ll just have to accept the collective wisdom of our fellow citizens. Also, the sun rises in the East.

    nk (dbc370)

  337. Trump seems to be running out of ways to get media attention by shocking people. Today’s effort was to insinuate that the only ways to stop Hillary are a vote or a gun. Trump certainly knows how to manipulate the media but is it working on the electorate?

    DRJ (15874d)

  338. it’s working all up in you so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  339. Well, that goes to show what I get for briefly putting my faith in Cruz Supporter.

    Let me give you the two-syllables-or-less version, sweetheart:

    1) I live in a very red state. Trump should win here, and get our state’s votes.
    2) If Trump keeps his lead here, my vote won’t matter, whether I give it to him or someone else.
    3) If Trump needs my vote to win my state, then he will have lost so many other states that he can’t win.
    4) So either way, my vote doesn’t matter. I cannot change what happens.
    4) Because my vote doesn’t matter, I will cast it for someone I don’t hate.
    5) If you can show me where my thinking is wrong, I may change my mind.
    6) Telling me “It’s Trump or Clinton” will not change my mind. It will only make me laugh at you.
    7) I explained all this before, but it did not sink into your brain. Work on that.

    Now, are we on the same page? Because I don’t think I can break this down into grunts and gestures.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  340. Thing is Milhouse, I’m the world’s worst speller.

    If you misspell a word it’s usually not hard to figure out what you meant. But when you use a word that is spelt correctly but is not the word you meant, the reader is likely to think you meant what you wrote.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  341. “but is it working on the electorate?”

    The not-Trump total percentage for the primary was 55%, the not-Trump percentage today is 60%. As to whether it’s working, that would depend upon his actual objective. It may be working precisely as planned.

    Rick Ballard (5abada)

  342. lemme break it down for you if i may

    there’s only 2 titties what can be our next president one dem titties is hillary one dem titties is Mr. Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  343. @343. Disingenuous.

    Watched this snowball from the start today.

    He didn’t say that. In fact, the MEDIA has extrapolated it and made the journey to the Dark Side–starting with Jake Tapper. And it has snowballed into mch ado about nothing.

    Ahhhhh. Dog days of August. Olympics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  344. yes yes the national soros radio cnn Joe Scarborough propaganda slut media is trying to get Mr. Trump shot

    trying to get him shot so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  345. DRJ (15874d) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:53 pm

    Today’s effort was to insinuate that the only ways to stop Hillary are a vote or a gun.

    I don’t know what he meant by saying that if Hillary is elected, nothing could stop her from naming judges, except possibly, the Second Amendment people, or if he meant anything at all by it, but if means something, I would interpret that like this:

    The Senate would confirm one or another of her nominees, and only the Second Amendment people could prevail upon the Senate to leave seats unfillesd, certainly if the Republicans lose control of the Senate. Even then, they, but only they, could reach some Democrats and prevail upon them not to overturn the filibuster rule for Supreme Court nominations.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

  346. “By the way if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know,” Trump said.

    I suppose that if I said that maybe 2nd Amendment people could stop Trump, he’d understand better why people are upset today.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  347. #352-People like you are upset today because they want to be upset, and any excuse the media gives them to be upset they will glom onto like a tick on a deer.

    Anyone with even a hint of intellectual integrity knows he was talking about the NRA (second amendment people, not gun people), yawn, and wonder about the gulability of the upset people.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  348. Yes, I really need Trumpies to be wondering about MY gullibility.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  349. Trump Humpers don’t have a lick of intellectual integrity, else they wouldn’t be humping Trump like they brazenly do, ever so publicly.

    John Hitchcock (4f4465)

  350. @ LBascom, #353:

    Anyone with even a hint of intellectual integrity knows he was talking about the NRA…

    It may seem counterintuitive, but I have found that the best way to deal with someone poisoning the well is to take a big drink.

    If you want to say I have no intellectual integrity, fine. But I don’t think Trump was talking about the NRA. To be fair, though, I also don’t think he was talking about assassinating Hillary. In fact, I haven’t a clue what he was talking about. And I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know either. Some brain cells in his mind fired to form words that sounded good at that moment, so he said them.

    And that’s Donald Trump in a nutshell, the basic essence of the man. Not an nth-dimensional business genius and master of rhetorical kung fu. A guy who will literally say whatever is on his mind at the moment, because eff it, he’s effing rich and he’ll do whatever he damn well pleases.

    Sounds just like the guy I want having the keys to the nuclear silos.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  351. Mr. Trump will do so good on the nuclear silos. First of all he’ll keep that nasty diseased stinkypig from selling them to the highest bidder. Second of all he has good nuclear silo policies because he’s not a traditional politician.

    So as you can see your argument about not wanting Mr. Trump to have the “keys to the nuclear silos” fails on several levels.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  352. You need to learn the difference between an argument and a throwaway line.

    Not that it would do you much good, as you can’t even deflect a throwaway line well.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  353. man you don’t pull your punches do you

    happyfeet (a037ad)


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