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8/31/2010

WaPo: Beck Rally Raises Questions

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:45 pm

From the “What did I miss while I was gone?” files:

Apparently Glenn Beck had some kind of rally?

Beck’s marriage of politics and religion raising questions

In a matter of hours, Beck went from a hugely popular media figure – a 2009 Gallup poll listed him as the fourth most admired living man in the country – to a spiritual player, embracing a new and overtly religious rhetoric that made him sound like an evangelist.

Yet the Mormon convert seems an unlikely leader for conservative Christians, many of whom don’t regard Mormonism as part of their faith.

I missed the whole thing. Is there a reason I was supposed to care?

And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Glenn Beck pretty much just a giant dork? Fourth most admired living man in the country? Really?

Forgive if that sounds sacrilegious somehow. I don’t really watch the guy, so maybe I’ve got it wrong.

P.S. At least he’s not Ed Schultz.

114 Responses to “WaPo: Beck Rally Raises Questions”

  1. If you read the very end of the thread that went on for over 350 posts, we got on that very subject – and my unequivocal opinion is yeah, he’s very much a dorkwad.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  2. Ed Schultz should put up or shut up.

    Beck bugs me, in general.

    JD (d606fc)

  3. I missed the whole thing. Is there a reason I was supposed to care?

    The guy pulled several hundred thousand people to a Non-protest in Washington D.C.

    Love him, hate him whatever, but you definitely should care…..

    gahrie (ed7a50)

  4. Not a huge Beck fan. It’s just hard to like a man who cries all the time. And I mean all. the. time.

    But he’s really not all that bad. Certainly not as extreme as the left seems to think he is, based on their reaction.

    here’s the deal: Beck’s criticisms put the Obama admin in constant fear. That’s the (misplaced) reason they fired Sherrod, and it’s one of the few checks on their power right now. he’s actually got a few scalps.

    He resonates with a large cross section of independents with his concerns about where the country is headed. It works, even if it doesn’t work on me super well.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  5. Bringing up one of Ace’s favorite things…

    You should care because Becks’ rally was a rare instance of a preference cascading.

    Hadlowe (a7ae03)

  6. Dunno how I feel about Beck, really. He calls himself (or called himself before Sunday, anyway) a “rodeo clown” and I very occasionally get to hear stuff on the radio from him, mostly via YouTube when Hot Air links it.

    Agreed he’s kind of a dork — and frankly I could do without the crying, evah again — but he is sincere and also, really, really funny IMO. Arguing with Idiots was a stitch and I purposely got it on audiobook for once because I knew he’d be funnier in voice than in print.

    This bit is maybe the best sendup of both NPR and Ted Kennedy in the same skit (a slow start but worth it) that I’ve ever heard. (WARNING: NSFW and possibly offensive due to mature theme and harsh but funny criticism of a recently deceased person)

    no one you know (6631bc)

  7. Yup, he’s a dorkwad. Amazing how that sounds like a liberal line. Anyway, whether you think he’s a dork or not, he endorses going back to the values that the Founding Fathers held: responsibility, honesty, charity, humility. If that makes him a dork, then he’s my kind of dork.

    Rich (7d8a36)

  8. His radio program is much funnier, as I’m sure NOYK already realizes.

    As for the religiosity… why *shouldn’t* someone combined their personal values with their political views? Especially when remembering MLK, a Christian clergyman who changed the face of American politics. I guess it’s because some people equate being a religious conservative with hating people. Such as the average idiot you’ll bump into in the formerly respectable Washington Post?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  9. OK, Beck is a bit of a dork. And he cries. But at least he’s not a wiener like Sean Hannity. I can’t stand that whiny voice going on and on and on. And at least Rush lets his liberal callers talk and then makes fools of them. Hannity won’t let people get more than half a sentence in before he’s making a fool of himself, repeating the same darn arguments again and again.

    Now, Ed Schulz? We agree there. He could get 300,000 people easily. “If I had the budget!”

    And if he had the audience…
    And if he had anything interesting to say…
    And if he had any talent…

    Gesundheit (aab7c6)

  10. Being a Xianist means you hate all sorts of people. It is true.

    JD (d606fc)

  11. at least he’s not a wiener like Sean Hannity. I can’t stand that whiny voice going on and on and on.

    + 1000

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  12. What’s the draw with Beck?

    He’s not well educated, he’s not a great orator, he’s not too sure of himself, he’s not charismatic, he’s not complicated or enigmatic but rather simple, straightforward, an everyman expressing universal beliefs, and very self-deprecating.

    In fact he’s rather the opposite of Obama – which may be the answer to what his draw is.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  13. Comment by Dana — 8/31/2010 @ 7:29 pm

    Awesomely well said. Never thought about his appeal w/ people in general before, I guess because he was “just a guy with a radio show” who people had very divergent opinions about, and despised by the liberal intelligentsia (which was part of his appeal for me, anyway).

    I think people are getting really tired of listening to the hypocrite Lecturer in Chief as he apologizes for America and appears to be happy to sell everything down the pike to get his vanity legislation through and take his 50 vacations and 1000 rounds of golf while we bake in our 85 degree homes.

    no one you know (6631bc)

  14. the WaPo’s main question is “why does he get more readers than we do?”

    this article is nothing more than jealous snark on their part……

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  15. I guess when I now more correct answers that a blog author, I ought to prune the must read list some.

    I’ll never understand people who claim to think like I do not liking Beck.

    All of the negatives, real and imagined, about the man he has told you about if ypu listened, save one.

    That one would be the crying–which I have noticed in several people who are passionate about something.

    Myself included.

    Sometimes is seems there is an excess even from that point of view–I take it to be a tic, like stuttering and like stutterers who have concurred, I have respect for that. (Now I’m going to be tormented all night because I once shared a VIP table with a famous columnist who was our featured speaker that evening and discovered that he stuttered badly at times. And my elderly brain will not retrieve his name. And I have the vague feeling that his name resembles Glen Beck’s in some way, but that would be the only resemblance.)

    Anyway, I’ll not miss this claptrap–I wonder who went wrong where. I must have thought you had something important to say at one time.

    Larry Sheldon (7d77d0)

  16. Are you the guy who said you’ll stop reading this blog 100 times already?

    Are you joking? Is this a Mel Brooks type deal?

    Are people not supposed to admit when they don’t understand something, and have a discussion about it? Would you like to read only blogs that insist they are always omniscient and perfect? Daily Dish? LGF?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  17. After an interview in 2008 with Focus on the Family, the article was pulled because some of the group’s supporters thought it was wrongly validating his conversion experience.

    there’s your dorks

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  18. Comment by Larry Sheldon — 8/31/2010 @ 7:52 pm

    Well, this is just rude.

    Anyway… I personally don’t care for Beck yet can’t deny his ability to draw the crowds.

    And that makes me smile because you know it just annoys the hell out of the left that someone of his ‘ilk’ is able to do that.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  19. Beck reminds me of the Murphy Character torn between two rich mogols (CNN and FOX) who probably had a bet one of them could take a drug attic, clean him up and get him a nomination for president (think the movie was called trading places)

    better move my flight up to tomorrow

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  20. that would be drug addict not attic – oh well – never go to college in Louisiana

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  21. BTW, Larry, I may have you confused with someone else, who has promised to stop reading here a few times. But I think it’s foolish to insist the blogs you read act intellectually superior.

    Why not just tell him, instead of being a dick, what you think he should know? If you didn’t want to discuss, why are you in a discussion thread?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  22. I think you do him and yourself a disservice believing what the dog trainer would say about him, and yes there was a bunch on a previous thread, where Dmac expressed his opinion and I expressed mine, and they overlapped a little.

    The one thing, if nothing else, that makes me take him seriously is that I heard him explain what was going on with the derivatives market with mortgages and how it was going to fall apart months before it happened. (He eagerly admits it wasn’t his figuring it out, but only passing on what his sources explained to him).

    The usual leftist suspects were all prepared for a display of anti-Obama racist mean-spirited let’s go back to the days of slavery rhetoric which they believe Beck is full of (just as Breitbart is full of lies and taking things out of context- see the parallel), but instead had someone restating the need to look to the content of a man’s character, starting with your own, and the need to take a stand for freedom and truth, and had speakers like King’s niece, gospel singers, black ministers, and all kinds of folk that aren’t supposed to hang with racists.

    Anyone who has listened to Beck much wasn’t surprised by the way things turned out.

    Yes, he belongs to the Mormon church, but as far as what he says about his faith I’ve only heard historical orthodoxy, and the religious folk he is in big conflict with are the leftists like Jim Wallis.

    He was one of the first places I heard anyone talk about Alinsky, he gave a lot of coverage to Van Jones history as an avowed communist, leading to his leaving his post as energy(?) czar.

    He may be part huckster, but he’s at least part a sincere person who is thankful that he has had a second chance at life after messing it up as an alcoholic.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  23. Try listening to his radio show.

    Sometimes, Beck is just hilarious.

    Part of the problem for people
    like us is that we prefer text over
    video as an information source.
    For me, video is too slow an input.

    So Beck may not appeal to all,
    and he may be a bit of a dork,
    which I think he’d be the first to
    admit. But he also stands up for
    right and wrong…and even that
    occasionally matters to lawyers.

    Of course, some people only want
    to sit with the cool kids.

    Jack (e383ed)

  24. MD

    Beck is a cheap imitation of B1 Bob Dornin (sp) rushes first guest host

    I can list a load of people better than beck and more entertaining

    Michelle

    MK Hamn

    Edd Hendee

    State Senator Dan Patrick

    Rush

    Any conservative Talk show host form California, Texas or Oklahoma

    Fred Thompson

    Beck was to me is just a bet – Becks Brain is Edd Hendee’s co host a guy named Pat Grey – Pat is really Beck
    , has been his co host and producer and job getter for years

    rumor was Grey signed with Patricks firm in Houston turning down a gig at Fox cause Beck went to CNN – Grey cant stand libs – who knows if its true – but If Michelle didnt melt down with Geraldo – I wonder if she wouldnt have gotten that spot
    Be

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  25. MD

    It was alot more than Alcohol, according to some – it was bad – and not all that long ago

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  26. That bit where he tore “Adam the American” a new one, is classic. yes he’s unorthodox, sometimes one might even say crazy, but he’s effective, so much
    so that administration allies have mounted four different boycott campaigns against him. officials
    and programs, fear to be mentioned, so much so that
    the pretense of appearing on his show, seemed a plausible reason for Shirley to skedaddle.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  27. I have a fundamental mistrust of any man who has the ego to create such an event as the one Beck did. In listening to Beck, on occasion, the past 15 years, it is clear to me that he has not been well grounded. Why should I trust that he is now? I don’t.

    Having said that, he has brought history alive in such a vivid manner! I think it is a stroke of genius that he is attempting to reconstitute the “Black-Robed Regiment.” The caliber of historians and philosophers I have seen on his TV show is phenomenal. If only the Academy were populated with more folks such as the ones Beck brings to my attention.

    My bottom line is I do not trust Beck as a man. Yet. But I love him for marshaling and sharing the resources of American Truth as he has the past 18 months.

    Ed from SFV (54e760)

  28. “You go to war, with the army, you have,” I recall someone saying that. Back in the day you had Buckley
    and Will, but that was for a more genteel time, No one quite expected what would happen with the 9/12
    project and 8/28, the left and even some of the ‘clean toga’ set still haven’t come to grips with
    it.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  29. ian

    He doesnt like Republicans either and not just the rino’s he doesent like conservatives

    he’s weird beyond weird

    Unfortunately he has major health issues that most likely could sideline him. I wish him personaly the best, but if he is as ill as reported I think he should spend his remaining best years with his family

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  30. I’m not a big Beck fan, but I will tell you this, he has tapped into something beyond the understanding of the ones who know exactly what’s right and wrong and get the chance to tell you what you should believe on TV and the printed page.

    “Faith, hope and charity” is a compelling message. And when detractors denigrate something that simple as nothing more than racism and bigotry financed by some evil capitalist puppet-masters, well, normal people get mad.

    Good people do good things. It’s not smoke and mirrors. It’s not for recognition. It’s not because they want you or I to vote this way or that. They simply want to help.

    If you take your eyes away from the national stage, you can see this kind of good work every day in every community in the United States. I know I do.

    Then, when some of them say: “You know what, I can do things in my community to help, without the federal government to assist,” the first reaction is to brand them as nothing more an ignorant lot of mouth-breathers too foolish to understand the superiority of their betters.

    The most astonishing thing about this is the temerity of the left to have the unmitigated gall to say they speak for these people when, in truth, they hate them so much.

    The great swath of America wants to be left alone. They want to raise their children as they see fit, to worship as they see fit and to work for a wage as they see fit.

    Here’s the hard message, though, for the race-baiters and the intelligentsia of old people that can’t let go of the ’60s:

    We want to live with our neighbors without acrimony. We can do that, but thanks for the offer to help.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  31. I’m kinda amazed at how well spoken the Beck defenders are. Not that I’m a Beck basher, but they sure sound vastly more intelligent than the average Beck basher you would find at Huffpo.

    When so many good people value Beck, it’s hard to dismiss him, even though I share Ed from SFV’s core problem with him.

    Just compare AG80’s commentary to EPWJ’s bashing. Even if you knew nothing else about the guy, it’s clear Beck is more toxic to a certain low level of man.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  32. I don’t have a problem with Beck. I also don’t consider him a dork or a drag or anything like that. Beck’s rally had 500,000 people in person, over 100,000 watching live on Facebook, over 100,000 watching live on Ustream or whatever it is, thousands more watching live on various other sites, who knows how many watching live on C-SPAN. Al Sharpton had a counter-rally specifically to counter Beck’s rally where Sharpton had 2,000 or 3,000 show up.

    Beck’s radio and TV programs are very educational and are most definitely altering the political landscape. He cries on occasion but that’s only because he takes ObamaNation’s destruction of the US very seriously.

    I am one of those Christians who says LDS is not Christian. Neither is Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor are the Black Liberation Theology churches. But Beck has flushed out a lot of ObamaNation’s henchmen and has added a great deal of historical understanding that is avoided in today’s liberal public schools (K-PhD).

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  33. So EPWJ is going to go all Breitbart on Beck, now? Is there an conservative that he will not smear?

    JD (38a58e)

  34. “I am one of those Christians who says LDS is not Christian. Neither is Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor are the Black Liberation Theology churches.”

    But they kinda think Jesus is the savior. They really do worship Christ. What does the word Christian mean? It means Christ follower, which Mormons are. They aren’t Baptists. Why not limit it to the accurate problem… whatever version of Christ following you believe in is not very compatible with this version of Christ following.

    Indeed, Mormons are especially incompatible, but they do worship Jesus, think he’s the son of God, savior, etc.

    It’s not that I take particular offense… but it seems like a basic corruption of the English language to say that someone who follows Christ isn’t Christian if they don’t do it according to Baptist ideas (or protestant of Catholic or even some very large group of denominations).

    /Methodist

    // Who has been called ‘not Christian’ for being Methodist by people who didn’t seem to be following Christ to me, thought that’s not my place to determine.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  35. ” Is there an conservative that he will not smear?

    Comment by JD — 8/31/2010 @ 9:26 pm ”

    Absolutely! Any and all conservatives who aren’t the target of any particular smear are EPWJ’s best friends until it’s time to smear them.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  36. 600,000 people also showed up to see the days of our lives co-stars when they arrived in New Orleans

    1 million crammed central park to hear simon garfunkle oh and KISS as well

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  37. Oh yeah, he will not smear Scozzafava. Or Murkowski.

    JD (38a58e)

  38. JD

    I’m not so trusting of felons, but that’s just me

    I also think that someone who decrys the situation the out of control drug fueled violence on the border was not to terribly long ago a customer of same

    but that’s just me

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  39. Defending Ramos and Campean against a drug dealer that continued to engage in criminal activity,
    despite his immunity from the Feds, that’s a badge of honor in my book

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  40. EPWJ sure does ride a high horse for someone who is proven to have no personal integrity.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  41. EPWJ is just yammering right now, Dustin. It is not even trying.

    JD (d606fc)

  42. JD

    If you ever met Beck ask him about the miscarriage call,

    Restoring Honor indeed!

    ian

    were’nt those guys felons who were turned in by their onw fellow officers who testified against them and sentenced to well deserved prison terms?

    Now I think they should have been in minimum security but the bureau of prisons are not a happy bunch

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  43. “I have a fundamental mistrust of any man who has the ego to create such an event as the one Beck did.”

    I guess Ed has issues with Obama’s gi-normus, biggest ever-by-a-long shot inauguration. Or maybe the Greek Columns in Denver?

    Please.

    HeavenSent (e230a5)

  44. Beck is actually teaching history much better than most College Profs do.

    Sadly, other than US Evil nonsense you don’t get much from most US History classes.

    You can quibble with his style (I do) and you can with some of his analysis (I do) but he is 10000X the educator most talk shows hosts are.

    HeavenSent (e230a5)

  45. If you call Beck names. There is nothing wrong with him, but there might be something the matter with you. He raised 5.5 Million dollars for families of Special Ops soldiers who have been killed. Is that what dorks do? If you have done less and demeaned him, you should be ashamed. Probably not though.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (274ae9)

  46. You see, EPWJ, that is the exact type of bullshat that people call you out on. If you could read beyond a kindergarten level, you would know that I do not care for Beck, but apparently in your eyes, he needs to answer for something to me. You are a mendoucheous twatwaffle, EPWJ. You love to smear any actual conservative, and then have the audacity to try to control the definition of who is a conservative. If you are in my party, maybe I am in the wrong one.

    Thought you had me there, didn’t you? Too bad. Fact is, that even if you vote the exact same way as me, we will never be similar. I am honest, and have integrity, qualities you could not begin to grasp.

    JD (d606fc)

  47. If you have done less, and criticized him … I call BS on that too. Good Allah. What is wrong with conservatives these days?

    JD (d606fc)

  48. there’s no reason to call Mr. Beck names cause if everyone’s heart were as in the right place as Mr. Beck’s then… that would be really great and stuff and America would be better

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  49. ” If you have done less and demeaned him, you should be ashamed.”

    Comment by Zelsdorf Ragshaft III ”

    Fair enough. He’s still not my cup of tea, but he’s obviously a force for good and deeply under the skin of all the right people.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  50. you would hope some of the erudition and more importantly some of the valuing of erudition would rub off on people what have a first name what has an initial S and a last name what has an initial P but so far looks like we got a negatory on that Houston

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  51. Arnoldis Chapman of the Reds — 103MPH. Reportedly reached 105.

    Dear god.

    HeavenSent (e230a5)

  52. HeavenSent – That is way way way freakish.

    JD (d606fc)

  53. ‘Valuing of erudition’

    At first I thought you were saying that Miller isn’t as read as Murkowski, but no, you’re just calling Palin stupid.

    The landscape (of Alaska) is littered with people who thought the same. She isn’t stupid. It’s a shtick, to be so folksy. It’s good sense that she was annoyed with Couric, but amateurish that she didn’t answer the ‘whatcha read?’ question. Still, she’s not stupid. Experienced enough to take the White House? Good question, and the answer is: it depends on the other candidates, since none of them will probably be good enough and we’ll have to settle.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  54. ___________________________________________

    And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Glenn Beck pretty much just a giant dork?

    I never watched more than brief portions of his show when he was on CNN, and since my cable service doesn’t carry Fox News he’s pretty much disappeared from my radar. But I do recall moments when he’d get all teary eyed, which does play into his “dork” reputation. I guess since this society is headed to an era when certain dudes will be calling other dudes “husband,” we pretty much are entering the age of dorkism (and worse) to the 10th degree.

    As for Beck’s philosophy, I do recall certain comments of his that would make this conclusion not totally unsurprising or inaccurate:

    He doesnt like Republicans either and not just the rino’s he doesent like conservatives. he’s weird beyond weird — Comment by EricPWJohnson

    So how many people are guilty of that same type of behavior? Particularly if they’re willing to tolerate a Republican like this:

    Wikipedia: Scozzafava supports abortion and same-sex marriage. She also has strong ties to organized labor, something which is not common for most Republicans.

    In agreement with most Republicans, she is against cap-and-trade and is in favor of maintaining the Bush tax cuts. She opposes gun control and has a lifetime “A” rating from the National Rifle Association.

    Scozzafava’s record in the New York State Assembly included votes in favor of same-sex marriage, and she had also received an award from a Planned Parenthood affiliate in 2008. Scozzafava’s political positions included support for “card check” legislation, support for federal funding for abortion, support for President Obama’s 2009 stimulus package, and a refusal to rule out support for health care reform that includes a “public option.”

    ^ How anyone can be so schizophrenic when it comes to their politics is beyond me.

    Mark (411533)

  55. And the worst thing about Beck, is that he drew all of this low-class, Neanderthal, trailor-park trash to DC who left the place in an absolute shambles…
    Oh, wait…that didn’t happen, in fact some say that the Mall was cleaner after the crowd left than before it arrived.

    AD - RtR/OS! (578e62)

  56. AD’s comment reminds me of the awful state the Mall was in after the 2009 inauguration.

    Ever played Fallout 3? That’s what it looked like.

    It’s no surprise that a crowd gathering to hear speeches on restoring honor would not leave litter on our sacred national mall. I have no idea why Obama’s supporters would do that, but these are not ‘ask not what your country can do for you’ types, but rather ‘where’s the bailout for main street!!!!!!’ types.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  57. Oh, wait…that didn’t happen, in fact some say that the Mall was cleaner after the crowd left than before it arrived.

    That reminds me of a reverse situation, or those occasions when thousands of supposed pro-environmentalist, pro-Green, pro-liberal people have gathered and then, once the event was over, left behind a mountain of trash for others to clean up.

    Merely a variation of Al Gore (or similar types, from the world of Hollywood in particular) living the high life in a big-hog mansion in Tennessee, tooling around in a big-hog SUV, and then flying all over the globe in a big-hog jet plane. Or merely a variation of surveys that indicate liberals, who love to sound so humane and lovin’, are cheapskates when it comes to acts of personal generosity.

    Mark (411533)

  58. Ah, but Mark, they are our betters after all, just ask them!

    AD - RtR/OS! (578e62)

  59. ________________________________________

    I have no idea why Obama’s supporters would do that

    Well, probably because they learn from and take after their dear, wonderful leader…

    Wall Street Journal, May 11, 2010

    Clocking in at 133,000 miles with a few dings to prove it, Liz Murphy’s 2000 Jeep Cherokee is valued at about $3,500, according to Kelley Blue Book. But last week, someone paid $26,437.50 for it. The reason: Its previous owner was Barack Obama.

    “I would have been willing to pay over $100,000 for it,” [auction bidder John Reznikoff] says. He will add the car to his collection of presidential artifacts, which include two of John F. Kennedy’s parade cars, Lyndon Johnson’s sports coat and Ronald Reagan’s rocking chair.

    Obama’s name and address are noted on the original title: “Barack Obama/5450 S. East View Park/Chicago, IL 60615,” as is the date of original purchase: “8/26/00.”

    We also suspect that the car pulls strongly to the left. But, gee, it seems like only yesterday (though actually it was back in May of 2008), that Mr. Obama was lecturing us about the evils of driving SUVs.

    From the archives of the Agence France-Press (AFP):

    “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said. “That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added…

    But now it looks like Mr. Obama was himself driving a SUV as recently as 2004. And, since his campaign for the Senate in 2004, he has probably only been squired around in SUVs or limousines.

    But of course this is the same man that keeps the White House thermostat cranked up high enough to heat a green house.

    That’s what Mr. Obama means by “leadership.”

    Mark (411533)

  60. I am a Beck fan and not afraid to go against the grain here and admit it. It was just a few years ago people were ashamed to admit they liked Rush due to a massive leftist media attack against him painting his audience as uneducated rednecks. Rush was attacked because he was effective in exposing the left’s agenda. Beck is suffering the same fate wherein, although hugely popular, many on the right fear being associated with him. It seems some here refuse to acknowledge his value yet begrudgingly admit his success.

    By watching his show I have learned much about U.S. history,the Constitution,and the Bill of Rights. Beck has exposed numerous leftist radicals in our government.

    I’m a bit puzzled as to why Beck is so maligned by those on this thread. Do you think we would be better off without him on the air?

    Brett (5f9a26)

  61. Larry:

    Goodbye . . . again.

    Dustin has a pretty good memory, by the way:

    Looks like I’m going to be able to clean up my “must read” list some more.

    Would never have guessed I was so wrong about this blog.

    Comment by Larry Sheldon — 12/4/2009 @ 6:09 pm

    Oh, you wouldn’t have guessed? Or you wouldn’t have thought we remembered? Because there’s this. Sheldon quotes me and says he stumbled into (or “inot”) the wrong blog:

    “Instead I’m getting answers that I don’t believe.”

    Are you serious?

    Dang, I certainly blundered inot the wrong blog.

    Comment by Larry Sheldon — 10/3/2008 @ 6:54 pm

    And this:

    I don’t want to see what Andrew Sullivan wrote.

    I don’t what to hear about what Andrew Sullivan wrote.

    I don’t want to hear anything about Andrew Sullivan at all.

    I will remove from my list of “must read daily” (several times a day, most days) blogs those that persist in violating my wishes.

    Feel free to freely substitiute “Colmes” or the name of any other sewer rat in the preceeding.

    Comment by Larry Sheldon — 9/2/2008 @ 2:35 pm

    I have certainly mentioned Andrew Sullivan since September 2008 — violating Larry Sheldon’s wishes!!! — so you can call that the third empty threat to leave. Here is the fourth, from April of that year:

    Maybe somebody here can at last explain to me why it is important to anything about Andrew Sullivan, if he thinks what he thinks, or what he says.

    I’ve pretty much written of anybody that spends much time writing about him and his queer ideas.

    But every now and again I try, before I give up on an author that seemed to have something interesting to say.

    Is just that it is a slow news day? A blank page would be better.

    Comment by Larry Sheldon — 4/28/2008 @ 4:36 pm

    So yeah, Dustin has this guy’s number. He is constantly threatening to leave.

    Larry Sheldon: leave, don’t leave, whatever.

    Frankly, my dear Larry, I don’t give a damn.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  62. I don’t “fear” being associated with Beck. I honestly have rarely experienced him except in isolated video clips, in which he always seems to come off looking like a giant dork. He just doesn’t seem very . . . sincere. He seems like a snake oil salesman, and a bad one at that.

    But again, maybe it’s an unfair snap judgment.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  63. Patterico ~ Yes, sometimes Beck is definitly over the top but I think Dana (comment#12) hit the nail on head in her summation of his popularity.

    I think if you saw more of him you might dislike him a little less.

    Anyone who has the left hating them that much must be doing something right!

    Brett (5f9a26)

  64. I wish I knew how to quit you.

    Brokeback Larry (b54cdc)

  65. And the worst thing about Beck, is that he drew all of this low-class, Neanderthal, trailor-park trash to DC who left the place in an absolute shambles…
    Oh, wait…that didn’t happen, in fact some say that the Mall was cleaner after the crowd left than before it arrived.

    Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 8/31/2010 @ 11:22 pm

    Comment by Dustin — 8/31/2010 @ 11:26 pm

    Comment by Mark — 8/31/2010 @ 11:36 pm

    Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 8/31/2010 @ 11:39 pm

    You guys are 100% right about the difference between Obama’s inauguration crowd and the Restoring Honor crowd. I knew that bookmarking this was going to come in handy soon:

    The mall after the inauguration vs. after the Restoring Honor rally

    You could have a very pleasant picnic on that grass. I wasn’t even there and I want to pass that around like a grandma wants to pass around a grandchild’s picture.

    no one you know (6631bc)

  66. The Mall is a wreck after Grateful Earth Day events also. Frickin leftists and crazy envro idiots don’t know what a trash can is for. From what I can tell, when the right does an event there they make a huge effort to make sure people police their trash. PROVING through actions that we are actually not the devil. Just saying.

    On Beck – I LOVE the history he’s teaching through his guests. Love it. And who ever left that clip of his radio show making fun of NPR, thank you. If he was like THAT more often, I could get on board. That he got several people I know interested in history makes me forever grateful.

    There is just something, I can’t even put my finger on it exactly, but something sticks in my craw with him. I was deeply unhappy with the stuff he said about Scott Brown and his daughter. Totally inappropriate. I suppose I keep waiting for him to go off the rails, which I think will happen.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  67. I am a Beck fan and not ashamed to admit it. I watch his TV show almost every day. I particularly like the shows he does with audience participation. He did one with doctors and health care workers as his audience during the healthcare debates that was very informative. He has had more than one where he had highly successful black panel members and a very lively discussion with the mostly minority audience. His Constitutional history lessons are outstanding. His coverage of Van Jones was what brought that commie down.

    I watched most of the rally on Saturday and found it inspiring. His basic premise is that change begins with ourselves and spreads out to our family, community, and ultimately to the country.

    The rally honored our fallen heroes and raised 5.5 million for the children of fallen special forces. He asked that noone bring political signs as it was not a political event and noone did. 500,000 and not one arrest and the mall spotless after everyone left. Old, young, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, and a large number of those who have served this country in the armed forces.

    The name “Restoring Honor” was based on the last line of the Declaration of Independence:

    “And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

    I don’t know what Beck being a Mormon has to do with anything other than for the intolerant bigots to dog him about his faith. He had what he calls the Black Robe brigade at the rally: ministers, priests, rabbis, even an iman, 240 all tolled, all there for the same reason (see Declaration’s last line above).

    I find him a humble man who understands that what success he has is a gift and that if he abuses that gift it could all be gone in a heartbeat. He is basically self-educated as an avid reader and avid history buff and far more knowledgeable than those who constantly brag about their ladeeda educations at very expensive schools that do not teach, just indoctrinate with socialist lefty garbage.

    I think it a bit arrogant for someone who admits he has never watched his show and has only seen a couple of YouTube clips, most of which were probably put together to show him out of context for the purpose of denigrating him.

    Sara (Pal2Pal) (4d3f49)

  68. But at least he’s not a wiener like Sean Hannity.

    Nor is he a REAL Weiner like Michael Savage.

    (sorry, someone had to…)

    I think Beck cries easily because – to put not too fine a point on it – he is slightly brain-fried from his drinking days.

    But. I believe a lot of his messages are great ones and that he has done wonders in unifying many people to the common cause of taking our country back.

    the friendly grizzly (2f59a6)

  69. Well Sullivan has so gone so far down the rabbit hole in this hatred of the Okhanitsa, to rival our mad pikachu, which I think is displaced affection.Flashes of that could be seen in his first report on her tea party speech in Nashville, But his ventures into frankly antiSemitic tropes vis a vis, Israel, the Obama worship, it’s all a nasty little package. That the Atlantic has let the legacy of Greeley and others be tarnished by this psycho doesn’t reflect well on them

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  70. Comment by JD — 8/31/2010 @ 10:36 pm

    I don’t watch Beck. He bothers me in that my dad and uncle (both in late 70’s) watch him faithfully and he plays on their concern the country is going to hell in a handbasket. He has made contradictory statements on a couple of issues but one needs a full time staff to cross check everything.
    The optimist in me says as a country we will be fine even with the changes Obama is trying to push. Nov will put the brakes on that which is the beauty of our political system.
    I don’t want to say they are scared where they weren’t a couple of years ago but it comes pretty close. We used to be able to discuss politics in a pretty rational fashion but I’ve watched them start making statements like “well if you don’t see that you will never get it”. Has started bordering on the personal which is ashame. Really used to enjoy the dialog with them on political issues — now not so much.

    VOR2 (8e6b90)

  71. Beck thinks we are in for a cataclysmic crisis, he’s been diagramming it for four years now, of
    domestic economic and foreign policy consequences. what he calls the “Perfect Storm”. having been an alcoholic, he thinks we can survive it, but we must
    first acknowledge that there is a problem. Denial will not do,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  72. 1st off

    BECK DID NOT RAISE 5.5 milion dollars

    THE PEOPLE WHO SENT THE MONEY IN DID

    Beck, was given millions in free air time by his hosts for a worthy cause

    Its the PEOPLE who sent the MONEY in WHO RAISED THE MONEY

    Geez people get a grip!

    How much did BECK Contribute

    Last I checked I did not parade warriors badly wounded in battle across the stage at my busines presentations for profit

    like Beck Does

    Disgusting

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  73. Drinking early, apparently.

    Eric Blair (d9926c)

  74. You know, the law of odds, would dictate he would occasionally get something right, no not really.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  75. “BECK DID NOT RAISE 5.5 milion dollars”

    EricPW – You are Correct. BECK’S RALLY RAISED 5.5 milion dollars. Freaking silly point.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  76. ian

    If you are referring to Beck perhaps

    Did anyone ask him about the miscarriage call yet?

    Eric B

    If you are a Beck-y this is very dissapointing

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  77. EricPW – Beck’s rally raised more than Nixon’s “budget surpluses.”

    daleyrocks (940075)

  78. You know, arguing with a troll is a waste of time. But it is interesting to note the drunken spelling, punctuation errors, and internet shouting.
    Nutty Deluxe. And so early in the morning at the Lake House.

    Eric Blair (04ebf2)

  79. Eric B – Rich, chewy, nougaty, nuttiness.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  80. It’s all that high fructose corn syrup, daley.

    Eric Blair (d9926c)

  81. I think it a bit arrogant for someone who admits he has never watched his show and has only seen a couple of YouTube clips, most of which were probably put together to show him out of context for the purpose of denigrating him.

    Well, I have seen a few, mostly at Hot Air, and I have admitted that my knowledge of him is limited. But my impression of him as a Dorkus Ma-lorkus is apparently shared by a few others here.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  82. Basically what Vivian said (quel surprise) – when he went after Scott Brown’s daughters for the heinous crime of being too pretty, that was beyond the pale for me. Considering what the Palins went through regarding their family, what on earth did McSlobbering think was appropriate to bring them into the discussion? The guy’s a loose cannon, if you hitch your wagon to him you’re going to go off the rails with him at some point.

    But perhaps my viewpoint is too colored here – I’ve experienced way too many alcoholics in the family, and none of those were ever cured of their “dry alcoholism.” Meaning that while they stopped their abusive drinking, they never got to the root of the cause of it in the first place – this is Beck’s core problem, IMHO.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  83. “Meaning that while they stopped their abusive drinking, they never got to the root of the cause of it in the first place”

    Dmac – To disagree slightly, the root cause is that they are alcoholics. Beck’s emotionalism suggests to me that he is dealing with his recovery issues. Others may have different opinions.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  84. Personal side note to Ag80 – I thoroughly appreciate your comments. Honest. Your voice of reason is always a wonderful read. No slight to anyone else, just wanted to say thanks.

    Oh, and I do listen to Beck. Some funny stuff. But please don’t tell my friends, they’re already threatening an intervention after I didn’t vote for Obama. Sucks to be a conservative in the DFW ‘burbs. Not trendy enough.

    em (a23066)

  85. Why does someone’s sentimentality qualify him as a “dork” and open him up to ridicule? I share that trait with Glenn Beck – I choke up whenever the Star Spangled Banner is played, when I read about the unqualified heroic actions of someone who jeopardized their own life to save someone else, when I watch a 10 year mini-diva belt out a moving song. None of these are contrived tears and I don’t control them or turn them on and off like a spigot. Maybe I grew up reading too many Reader’s Digest articles that sparked pride in country, awe for personal traits like selflessness and honor and personal responsibility.

    Why does this trait make Beck and me unacceptable to some? I think the world would be a better place with more who can feel these emotions and fewer of the “Yeah, whatever” types.

    in_awe (44fed5)

  86. Wow! I can’t believe that people bash Glenn Beck because he cries. That is a trait that makes him less of a man?

    Well, here’s a newsflash: I am married to a mountain of a man. He is the rock that everyone who knows him leans on when times are rough. The most honorable, honest man I know. But he cries when the National Anthem is played, or when he watches Band Of Brothers, The Patriot, or Gettysburg. I guess someone forgot to tell my family that my husband’s emotions when it comes to our nation makes him less a man.

    And for all of you who say that Beck is a dork, well, so is Bill Gates, or have you forgotten how Gates warned students to not make fun of geeks as they probably will be working for one sometime down the road.

    Do we all have to be East Coast, Ivy League cool to be accepted? Seems that is where we took a wrong turn when we decided that ordinary people, the silent middle class, became less worthy than the elites.

    I was there Saturday. It was amazing. Not political, but more of a rally to remind Americans that we have roots of honesty and honor that we must return to. And it must start with ourselves. We cannot expect our politicians to act with honor if we are not willing to do it ourselves.

    Beck uses “faith, hope and charity” but he tried to explain what that means, unlike “hope and change” that was left to the individual to deterimine what it meant. Hope? In what? Change? How? What kind?

    Yes, Beck was a drunk. But he found redemption. Since when is that a bad thing? Teddy Kennedy was a drunk, his nephew, Patrick, a drug addict. Did we not allow them redemption even though they had the power to create, and vote on, laws that affected all of us? Beck seems to understand that with redemption comes responsibility. And owning up to your mistakes.

    I challenge anyone to show another gathering of such magnitude where people were as polite, as respectful of others. And left the area cleaner than they found it. That was the whole point; treat others as you would be treated.

    The whole concept of the rally was that, once again, we must go back to putting our faith in our Creator (whatever that might be to you) and not in our government. That we must honor those who walk the walk when it comes to our liberty and freedom. That we have a responsibility to take care of those families who pay the price for us, who are fighting evil while we bar-b-que, for those to whom “duty, honor, country” is not just a catch phrase.

    Americans relate to Beck because he looks like us (in his basketball shoes and jeans), he admits he messed up a good portion of his life and was not strong, he tells us to not take his word for anything (as pols seems to want us to do) but to do our own research. And he scares the hell out of the elites and the progressives.

    If Beck can help people put honor, personal responsibility and awareness back in their lives, how can some find fault with that?

    retire05 (688aa3)

  87. I think Beck is a valuable resource even though I generally don’t watch or listen to him. He doesn’t appear to be worried about catching up on his education in public. I particularly like that attribute if for no other reason than he’s not an ivory tower know it all. He invites people on for the ride. He is providing value for millions of people. I don’t do well with his shtick, but others love it. Its not something worth complaining about.

    There is one behavior that bothers me though. Its his sponsor Goldline. I heard about their overpricing issues and went and did a little research. They DO overprice. I compared prices on silver eagles with half a dozen other companies and they were substantially lower than Goldline. A person who sends his faithful followers to a high pressure company for products priced too high disturbs me. While he may be making a trade off to allow his program to exist and get his message out, it undercuts his credibility.

    And last, the trolls are a lovable little creature. They exist because people respond to them. Each time they get a response, they say to themselves “I’m important, somebody actually read what I wrote. Even though it is stupid” They may even record how many times somebody was successfully baited. The trolls here appear to be well fed. Heh. If they threaten to leave, by all means respond with encouragement, cheers and the like. We don’t need them.

    Jeff M (0204be)

  88. Maybe you ought to watch him. At least then you’d have an informed opinion, good or bad.

    Bugz (6ccad1)

  89. Lex Green of Chicago Boyz, has this take on Beck’s rally:

    He is aiming far beyond what most people consider to be the goalposts.

    Using Boyd’s continuum for war: Material, Intellectual, Moral.

    Analogously for political change: Elections, Institutions, Culture.

    Beck sees correctly that the Conservative movement had only limited success because it was good at level 1, for a while, weak on level 2, and barely touched level 3. Talk Radio and the Tea Party are level 3 phenomena, popular outbreaks, which are blowing back into politics.

    Someone who asks what the rally has to do with the 2010 election is missing the point.

    Beck is attacking the enemy at the foundations of their power, their claim to race as a permanent trump card, their claim to the Civil Rights movement as a permanent model to constantly be transforming a perpetually unjust society.

    LarryD (f22286)

  90. Patterico…
    per your closing remark to Larry:
    Did you grow a mustache whilst on vacation?

    As to Beck being a “dork”:
    Were you one of the “cool crowd” in school who discriminated against the dorks and geeks?

    I would just say that though he may be a “dork”, it is the message that is important, which stands alone on its veracity, without the imprimateur of cosmetics and set-design (we were mesmerized by the production in Denver and look where that’s gotten us).
    Why else would half-a-million people gather on a hot August day in DC?

    AD - RtR/OS! (30a4ff)

  91. It’s not that I don’t respect a man who can cry when it’s appropriate.

    But Beck I do not respect, as a man, because he cries for stupid reasons that expose his basic weakness. Even if this is unfair, I get the impression he hasn’t seen the kinds of things that have made me cry… a kid with a cracked skull and a chain shaped bruise (really), your friend in a coffin (we’ll all be in this place at some point), Helen Thomas naked (not really), vegan pancakes…

    Even a woman who cries every day gets very, very little respect from me. Even a child.

    What kind of man cries every day, and then makes himself the centerpiece of such a rally?

    I admire that he’s accomplished a lot lately. I’m glad he’s reaching people I couldn’t hope to reach in my wildest dreams. He’s one of the good guys. I still have a major aesthetic qualm with his crying. I also think he’s funny sometimes, but I am happy to wait for a clip to show up.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  92. Dustin…could it be because he’s an….Entertainer?

    AD - RtR/OS! (30a4ff)

  93. AD, I suppose so.

    I wonder what his demographics are.

    I just prefer my entertainment to be more Rushy.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  94. Some years back, I heard Beck developing his radio show in some smaller and mid-size markets. He was doing characters, ala Phil Hendrie. Comedy sketch with sound effects. He has grown his skillset, and his audience. Rush takes pride in being an entertainer, and is an amazing sales engine. Beck is still trailing Hannity, but he has leapfrogged all the Michael Reagans, Michael Medveds, Laura Ingrahams, and dozens of other acts that can’t draw flies with two hands full of cr@p.

    His book, “The Overton Window” is actually a very entertaining and serviceable thriller. Those who like Vince Flynn and Kyle Mills will enjoy it.

    TimesDisliker (663348)

  95. The rally was fine with me, and supporting the vets is a great cause, but all I heard was a bunch of vague platitudes and Hallmark sentiments you could get 99.9% of the population to agree with in a poll.

    As for Beck, I’ve seen him a few times on TV. Every time he pulls out that blackboard or starts going on about how the Rockefeller Center sculptures prove a worldwide communist conspiracy or some such nonsense, I can’t help but think of the ‘church lady’ Dana Carvey did on SNL.

    My wife, who is fairly conservative but doesn’t follow politics at all, first heard of him last week.

    She immediately – and with zero input from me – labeled him a snake-oil salesman.

    Glenn Beck is in this to promote Glenn Beck.

    JEA (cb0d62)

  96. ‘Every time he pulls out that blackboard or starts going on about how the Rockefeller Center sculptures prove a worldwide communist conspiracy or some such nonsense, I can’t help but think of the ‘church lady’ Dana Carvey did on SNL.”

    And that’s what it comes across as, except that it’s turned out to be accurate so many times that Beck has very strong credibility. Certainly with the White House admin, who probably wakes up in the middle of the night to a vision of their names on the blackboard with a pentagram of lines connecting them and a picture of Osama bin Laden in the middle.

    I’m very, very glad there’s a Beck out there.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  97. who probably wakes up in the middle of the night to a vision of their names on the blackboard with a pentagram of lines connecting them and a picture of Osama bin Laden in the middle…
    Comment by Dustin — 9/1/2010 @ 12:13 pm

    By Jove, I think you’ve got it. Pentagram was a nice touch BTW. LOL

    They sure are afraid of him, for whatever reason. Suspected it when, as I mentioned above, the farleftliberal chattering class were looking down their noses at him from the NUT (<—actual Freudian typo, no lie) NYT op-ed page.

    I knew it, I think, when the mere mention of the possibility of Beck getting involved (IIRC) got the WH staff steamrolling over Shirley Sherrod’s back. (Did I remember that right..?)

    no one you know (196ed7)

  98. You did remember it correctly, NOYK

    SPQR (26be8b)

  99. noyk – Yes, apparently the White House ordered the Ag. Dept. to fire her butt because they were worried that Beck was going to talk about her on his show. Premature ejection. He didn’t. CW on the left is that Fox caused her dismissal. They did not. White House panic did. Fox website had a small print blurb about Sherrod contemporaneously with her ouster, but that is all.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  100. Beck’s emotionalism suggests to me that he is dealing with his recovery issues.

    Fair enough – I think most of us can agree that the man has some serious issues, and the fact that he relentlessly chooses to work out those issues in such a public manner turns some of us off – completely.

    As for those questioning if some of us don’t like the constant crying because we hung out with the kool kids in school, that’s not it – we don’t like guys in the guise of deep thinkers/spiritual leaders when they’re really just attention whores. Please rent Elia Kazan’s “A Face in the Crowd,” or “Elmer Gantry.” You might see some simularity.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  101. “My wife, who is fairly conservative but doesn’t follow politics at all, first heard of him last week.”

    JEA – We understand, but do not necessarilu believe, because Keith Olbermann is fairly conservative on your scale of measurement.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  102. “Fair enough – I think most of us can agree that the man has some serious issues, and the fact that he relentlessly chooses to work out those issues in such a public manner turns some of us off – completely.”

    Dmac – Heh. I was not expressing an opinion on likeability or watchability, merely recovery. I am happy that he is a big thorn in the side of the left and generally does his homework. I don’t need the public emotionalism either, but I’m more focused on content.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  103. “And that’s what it comes across as, except that it’s turned out to be accurate so many times that Beck has very strong credibility.”

    I’d really like to know all these accurate predictions from Beck. Does he have any stock tips? Winning lottery numbers?

    JEA (cb0d62)

  104. JEA, I didn’t use the word ‘predictions’. I used the word ‘accurate’.

    And the admin has vindicated his accuracy over issues like Mao worship, Van Jones, that pervert in education, etc. He’s obviously been right several times.

    RE: Predictions, yeah, he had some accurate stock tips, to put it mildly. Did you read this thread? He accurately predicted the mortgage derivatives problem well, well in advance.

    Winning lotto numbers? What?

    Are you suggesting Beck’s claims haven’t often humiliated the WH, and that they don’t live in fear of another dorky expose, by claiming this is as absurd as Beck being clairvoyant ? Have you heard of Shirley Bigot Sherrod?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  105. I rarely see any of his show, but have listened a fair amount over the years to the radio. I can’t say that I’ve been struck with his crying frequently, maybe that’s more on TV.

    I think he probably wouldn’t mind being called a dork, actually, and I bet he’d be the first to admit he’s not the emotionally healthiest person by far. I mentioned his alcoholism “only” not to “minimize” his issues, i thinbk he would admit that his problem was more than a few beers.

    He has had his stuff. He has an older child with significant CP who was given a bad prognosis early on who has come a long way. I heard him talk to Marcus Latrell, the “Lone Survivor” of the team of SEALS killed years ago, when Latrell called in the middle of the radio show in distress over his therapy dog being killed by some idiot yahoos. That was a bit scary, as Latrell, despite his disabilities, followed and tracked them down and had the self control to turn them over to the police, but he was concerned about what he would do if the authorities let them walk. This dog was like all he had, wife and kids in one. In some ways it was a little crass over the air, but Beck was in the middle of his show and Lattrell knew it. Beck seemed genuinely concerned for him and talked him away from doing anything, maybe to go ahead and leave town- come to NY and stay with him and the family until he had a chance to cool down.

    As far as predicting the end of life as we know it, well, i don’t have a three month supply of food stashed by any menas, but as I said before, he called the collapse of the housing market and the impact it would have on the economy in general well in advance, stuff I never heard anywhere else until after Bush and Co. we trying to evert a meltdown, so, I would be slow to bet against him.

    As far as the chalk board- I think it’s a great idea, haven’t seen him do it often enough to judge if he makes it work. There is a lot of stuff that is really pretty simple but seems too crazy to believe that needs to be seen written out in black and white. people can’t really believe Obama has a freind who is an unrepentant terrorist, but when you see written down all of the ways they’ve crossed over the years it becomes plain that the truth hasn’t been told by the MSM.

    Would I prefer to have spokesmen who are emotionally balanced, have overcome their issues which are now in the past, and never say anything crazy? You bet. Would like to have a friend or two that way if I could find one. I here what Dmac is saying about “dry alcoholics”, but in my experience such a person does not own how much of a mess they’ve been and acknowledge the crap they’ve put other people through like Beck does.

    Do I have my reservations? I sure do, but I think he is more like what you see is what you get than being a con-artist. IMHO.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  106. Comment by Dmac — 9/1/2010 @ 12:35 pm

    Saw them both in first-release.

    AD - RtR/OS! (30a4ff)

  107. “…He accurately predicted the mortgage derivatives problem…”

    As he explained to Chris Wallace, what he did was report the predictions of others (believe he had them on his show).

    AD - RtR/OS! (30a4ff)

  108. MD, you really convey Beck’s case very well. I wasn’t familiar with the story of the dog. Honestly, Rush wouldn’t be the right person to call with that problem.

    I don’t think he’s a con artist either, but his line of work requires a certain kind of ego and personal view.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  109. Chalk board….

    Wasn’t there a prominant newsie on NBC-TV who was celebrated for his use of a chalk-board when discussing politics?

    And, though we agreed on very few things, I miss Tim – he was a gentleman, and an adult.

    AD - RtR/OS! (30a4ff)

  110. Mormons aren’t “Christian”?
    The name of their church is “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”
    fer chrissake
    Christians are tolerant people and I try to remember that every time I cross paths with a Southern Baptist or a Lutheran.

    ColonelHaiku (5d380f)

  111. Colonel call bullsh*t
    no right-thinking woman would
    give JEA toss

    ColonelHaiku (5d380f)

  112. I think our opinions are in the same neighborhood, Dustin.
    Beck already knew Lattrell from being with him at various events. I think Rush would have done a reasonable job as well if he had the same history. It was scary. In one way you felt that the 18-20 year old punks had it coming for shooting pet dogs for fun (and trash talking and threatening Lattrell when he caught up with them), but on the other hand, you knew they really didn’t deserve what an angry SEAL could do, nor did you want to see him make such a big mistake for his own sake. I don’t know what happened to the criminals, but I know Lattrell was in a better frame of mind the next day.

    Yes, the question is how much does he do what he does out of a big ego, how much does he do to bolster a low ego, how much he does simply because he really cares and thinks it’s important, and how well does he know to keep himself in check (with the help of family and friends).

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  113. Why does someone’s sentimentality qualify him as a “dork” and open him up to ridicule?

    But if Beck’s sentimentality is a case of his shedding tears on a few too many occasions, then that becomes maudlin and the opposite of “muy macho.”

    However, I’ll say again that with our modern culture becoming increasingly touchy-feely, kissy-kissy about two males forming romantic relationships, and therefore being recognized for it legally (IOW, a sort of seal of approval via the government) — which will naturally filter into things like books titled “The Prince Marries a Prince” in elementary school libraries — we should all be prepared for our culture becoming super dorky and, if you will, effeminate-ized.

    Mark (411533)

  114. Beck may be a bit on the dorky side but he is sincere. He is doing a good job on FOX presenting a side of America we haven’t seen much of in the past thirty years, that’s why he is so frightening to the left. He presents the facts of the founding of this country and he does it from the perspective that rather than being a deeply flawed country, which has become the contemporary educational view of the U.S., we are an inherently good country that has made some mistakes along the way. I’ll take his perspective over what they would teach my kids in school today.

    Mark Allen (c70795)


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