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2/4/2010

Salon Writer Max Blumenthal: James O’Keefe Is a Racist

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:30 am

Well, of course. When your other attacks aren’t working, race is where you go:

[O'Keefe's] right-wing admirers don’t seem to mind that O’Keefe’s short but storied career has been defined by a series of political stunts shot through with racial resentment. Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O’Keefe at a 2006 conference on “Race and Conservatism” that featured leading white nationalists.

. . . .

According to One People’s Project founder Daryle Jenkins, O’Keefe was manning the literature table at the gathering that brought together anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism.

Over at Big Journalism, Larry O’Connor does most of the heavy lifting, showing how a photo of O’Keefe:

O'Keefe Racist 1

was Photoshopped in a shameless and obvious fashion to make O’Keefe look like a racist:

O'Keefe Racist 2

O’Connor says he is “surprised it wasn’t a hood and robe.”

O’Connor also notes how witnesses (like Dave Weigel) can’t confirm the “manning the table” allegations.

I’d just like to add my two cents. First, author Max Blumenthal (fittingly, the son of character assassin Sid Blumenthal) manages to suggest racism based on this:

Meanwhile, O’Keefe lost his job at the Leadership Institute in 2008 for a prank call he made to an Ohio-based Planned Parenthood clinic. During the call, O’Keefe offered a donation to the clinic on the condition that it would be earmarked to pay for aborting African-American fetuses. “Because there’s definitely way too many black people in Ohio,” O’Keefe remarked to the receptionist. “So, I’m just trying to do my part.”

Blumenthal fails to note the context, which made it clear that O’Keefe was posing as a racist to see if Planned Parenthood would accept money from a white supremacist who was donating as a way to exterminate blacks. And they were perfectly happy to. O’Keefe is the “donor” in this exchange, which makes clear that he was engaged in his usual Borat-style mocking of the person he was dealing with:

Donor: When I underwrite abortions, does that apply to minorities too?

Planned Parenthood: If you specifically wanted to underwrite an abortion for a minority person, you can target it that way. You can specify that is how you wanted it spent.

Donor: Ok, yeah, because there’s definitely way too many Black people in Ohio, so I’m just trying to do my part.

Planned Parenthood: Ok, whatever.

Donor: Well Blacks especially need abortions too, so that’s what I’m trying to do.

Planned Parenthood: Well, for whatever reason, we’ll accept the money.

Donor: Ok great, thank you.

Finally, this Blumenthal-penned paragraph is also shameless in its dishonesty:

O’Keefe’s termination by the Leadership Institute hardly ended his career as a conservative activist. Right-wing online publicist Andrew Breitbart, hearing of the merry prankster’s exploits, hired him to carry out the ACORN operation that would make him famous. Since his arrest, however, some of O’Keefe’s former associates are scrambling to save face. “I am shocked by the reports of this behavior,” declared O’Keefe’s collaborator on the ACORN operation, Hannah Giles. (Giles had tarted up as a prostitute for the stunt.)

Breitbart didn’t hire O’Keefe to do the ACORN investigation. That’s just one of the many things that Blumenthal made up. Breitbart has been clear: “James O’Keefe came to me with the ACORN story with a bow.”

Also, by the time Blumenthal wrote his screed, Hannah Giles had written in full-throated support of O’Keefe at Big Journalism. Hannah explained that, like many of us, she was initially fooled by sloppy Big Media reports into thinking O’Keefe was accused of trying to wiretap Landrieu.

For 48 hours, rampant rumors of phone taps, possible felonies, rash behavior and the phrase “Watergate Jr.” spread like wildfire. No one knew the reality of the situation. Even I was very concerned by the initial reports. I had no inkling of this project and once again found myself a victim of the MSM’s filthy, desperate and fact-free drive-by reporting.

Blumenthal’s piece is too chock-full of baseless innuendo to address every dishonest point. These are just some of the highlights. If you want to take on more of it, feel free to do so in the comments.

Anyone who trumpets Blumenthal’s screed is acting as a shameless partisan or a dupe.

279 Responses to “Salon Writer Max Blumenthal: James O’Keefe Is a Racist”

  1. Pat,

    Anyone who trumpets Blumenthal’s screed is acting as a shameless partisan or a dupe.

    You realized you called “Sooooeeeeeeee” for entities like imd-dumbass, Assclown, etc.?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  2. So Sid Vicious reproduced? Oh, great.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3. Patrick, just curious, are you claiming he was not at the “Taft event,” which featured Jared Taylor? Or, just that he was clever enough to make sure no one photographed him? (h/t David Weigel, who saw O’Keefe at the event)

    Just curious. A lot of sputtering about the picture, but no refutation that he complained about dorm mates or attended the event?

    I believe that is a jump to phase 3 of Sadly, No’s predicted Bretibart’s defense. Phase four should commence shortly. I look for Hannity to mastermind it.

    Anyway, I should have gone this wingnut welfare a long time ago. I could be funnier than this O’Keefe guy and way more entertaining.

    Plus, I never complained about my dorm mates sexual orientation, ethnicity, nor toss around the “n” word. Hannah Giles would never have to look up from her trust fund statement to denounce me! I missed a lucrative calling!

    timb (449046)

  4. There is the first mangy cur to show up to the “racism” dog whistle.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  5. “O’Connor says he is “surprised it wasn’t a hood and robe.”

    Well, the Klan is a Democrat organization, after all.

    Lazarus Long (a4f63e)

  6. 3, Pat, you had to call in the liars like TimB.

    http://bigjournalism.com/sright/2010/02/03/james-okeefe-vs-max-blumenthal-how-the-left-distorts-invents-and-lies/

    Refutes TimB’s lies, but here’s the money quote for those Liberals too lazy to follow the links:

    Well, here at Big Journalism we think it’s a good idea to actually seek the truth.

    So we spoke with James O’Keefe today. This is what he tells us:

    He was not “manning a table” at the event
    He was not involved with the organization or operations of the event.
    He attended the event with many of his Leadership Institute co-workers since it was right across the street from their building in Arlington, Va., and it was organized by other LI associates.
    The organizer who is being called a “White Supremacist” is half Jewish and half Korean.
    One of the panelist was an African-American named Kevin Martin.
    The event was forced to move to a Georgetown University building in Arlington, not at a cross-burning.
    We know all this because we called Mr. O’Keefe and asked him. Which is more than other media outlets have done.

    We also spoke with Daryle Jenkins of One People’s Project, the man who started this entire legend. We asked if he had a photograph that actually showed O’Keefe “manning the table” as has been reported, and he said that this cropped photo was all they had. His claim that Mr. O’Keefe “manned” the table of literature is based on eye-witnesses who were at the event.

    We are supposed to believe that four years after the fact these eyewitnesses remember O’Keefe being there, remember what he was doing, and even remember what was on the table in front of him.

    Mr. Jenkins only produced the name of one witness: David Weigel who, at the time was a reporter with Reason Magazine. We called Mr. Weigel and he denied ever telling Mr. Jenkins that Mr. O’Keefe was “manning the table.” Indeed, he has already gone on record denying he said that.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  7. This ridiculous smear job against O’Keefe indicates to me that the Landrieu incident is about to blow up in Left’s collective face.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  8. I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me like this could be libel.

    Techie (43d092)

  9. What’s Stage 5 of Sadly No’s “plan”.

    Dark Lord Rove rises from Transylvania to attempt to mind-control Seb?

    Techie (43d092)

  10. Teh Narrative must be serviced.

    JD (524c3d)

  11. Someone should check with Robert Byrd (D-KKK) about that hood & robe thing; he’s an expert.

    Old Coot (ddf8be)

  12. The racists at “Sadly, No!” love to project racism onto their opponents. I have already documented it.

    SomeNYGuy said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:29
    Actually, it is a bit humorous to hear people calling me a racist, considering my heritage.
    Being related to Michael Steele, Alan Keyes or Juan Williams doesn’t count.

    Clarence Thomas said, (note the name-switch I saw frequently on this site)
    February 28, 2009 at 8:31
    I have nothing against niggers; I just wouldn’t want to marry one.

    You Can’t Put Lipstick On A Repig said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:32
    Being related to Michael Steele, Alan Keyes or Juan Williams doesn’t count.
    These guys never get their hands shook at GOP functions and still can’t figure out why.

    SomeNYGuy said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:37
    TBD, look up the word “kapo” re: concentration camps. Some cowards will do anything, even turn on their own, if they think they’ll get preferential treatment from those in power.

    Cerberus said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:38
    That’s impossible, the space brain surely can solve the mystery that belies FYWP.
    Hell, I bet wordpress is like an easily shattered Matrix to the space brains of Conservatism. Only through focus can they see the patterns of blacks and Jews that plot behind the wordpress format.
    Wolverines!

    Truth Before Dishonor said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:43
    So, snyg, you are indeed calling any non-white people who vote Republican race-traitors? How tolerant of you.

    SomeNYGuy said,
    February 28, 2009 at 8:46
    So, snyg, you are indeed calling any non-white people who vote Republican race-traitors?
    In the current political climate? Unequivocally, yes.

    John Hitchcock (f9c8af)

  13. John – Was that Sadly, No or SEK’s site. That exchange, and specifically the question to SNYG and his reply exactly match comments I remember from the last time I visited SEK’s site when we were debating this type of topic the last time.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  14. was Photoshopped in a shameless and obvious fashion to make O’Keefe look like a racist

    I’m not sure how that photo makes him look like a racist. What am I missing?

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  15. Have Blue, that was most definitely from Sadly, No. I specifically went there due to something I read here back at that time.

    John Hitchcock (f9c8af)

  16. I’m not sure how that photo makes him look like a racist. What am I missing?

    The O’Keefe photoshop shows him dressed completely in white, and seated in front of a web page taken from The American Renaissance magazine’s web site.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  17. Isn’t Sidney Blumenthal the son of an FDR New Dealer?

    What a lineage…

    Patricia (e1047e)

  18. Just because O’Keefe is getting smeared doesn’t mean we have to double down defending him. Time to cut loose from him I think. He and his methods are more of a liability than an asset to conservatives.

    gp (72be5d)

  19. Yes, between the article and the photoshop, plus the ease of showing malice with Sid Vicious’ get is involved, this is a prima facie defamation case.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. Thanks for that advice, Moby.

    John Hitchcock (f9c8af)

  21. Just because O’Keefe is getting smeared doesn’t mean we have to double down defending him. Time to cut loose from him I think. He and his methods are more of a liability than an asset to conservatives.

    So the smear is working.

    Unless you didn’t like his methods before, of course.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  22. Time to cut loose from him I think.

    20.Thanks for that advice, Moby.

    Who else around here ends sentences regularly with “I think” ? Well, of course that would be happyfeet.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  23. This just proves how racist y’all are.

    JD (0e735f)

  24. OIDO – I suspect you are wrong.

    JD (0e735f)

  25. This is an unwanted distraction. Calling him a racist does more to detract from what he is really guilty of. Now he will be looked upon as a victim of a racist smear campaign and not the felon he is.

    The Emperor (688a60)

  26. not the felon he is.

    He’s not been convicted. Heck, I don’t believe he’s been charged with a felony.

    So how is O’Keefe a felon? Or do you mean that in a metaphorical sense, as in you see him as felonious?

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  27. This event at Georgetown happened in 2006, not last week. That means the left-wing press somehow forgot make all these allegations while they watched in horror as ACORN was being exposed; they waited until after O’Keefe’s office visit to Landrieu.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  28. Lovie/Chimperor started hitting the bottle early today. Pity.

    JD (0e735f)

  29. The Emperor has a point.

    The fact that liberals call him a felon is a hilariously stupid tactic that distracts from any hope they would have had of being credible.

    This racist smear is an exaggerated version of that, but O’Keefe and Breitbart only look more credible in their claims they are proving something about the media when the media acts like this.

    These people studiously ignore Landrieu’s actions, ACORN’s pattern of industrialized tax evasion, the DOJ’s refusal to prosecute the obvious. And they throw up a smoke screen that they think will destroy O’Keefe but in the long run only makes it much harder to destroy him.

    I’d prefer the left just admit what Landrieu did, what ACORN did, and fix it. This particular smear was exactly how ACORN treated O’Keefe once all their lies were exposed. And this won’t be the last time.

    They want you to know, whoever you are, that if you challenge the democrat mob, this is what will happen to you. Only problem is, in this new internet age, it’s so much harder to get away with lying. The dynamic is changing and Blumenthal is exposed as everything he pretended O’Keefe was.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  30. Also, no shock that mobies will try to demoralize us by saying we should ‘cut him loose’.

    I don’t have the balls to do what O’Keefe does. Some of these ACORN types are actually pretty dangerous. I’m grateful someone is willing to put their ass on the line. O’Keefe has written about how his plan with Landrieu was simply not the best plan. He made several mistakes, but he is hardly a criminal or an idiot. And anyone telling him to stop had better be able to show me how they would accomplish the huge things O’Keefe has accomplished. They better have some skin in this game, too.

    Blumenthal HATES O’Keefe. It’s so seething and insane that he decided to make up this crap, knowing that he was dealing with very smart people who would quickly prove his lies. If you can’t take that heat… join me outside the kitchen, but try to enjoy the benefits without being ungrateful.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  31. Chuckles Johnson over at Little…balls is spreading the same smear.

    Dave (in MA) (037445)

  32. Take out the guilt-by-association, the name calling, the misrepresentations and the innuendo and there’s precisely nada in Blumenthal’s piece. It’s more “McCarthyite” than anything Joe ever said on his worst day. Plus there’s the difference that Communism was a deadly menace in Joe’s time (anyone, for example, remember the Korean War?) while B is just engaging in a PC thoughtcrime witch-hunt with no apparent purpose beyond partisan advantage.

    icr (304f90)

  33. This event at Georgetown happened in 2006, not last week. That means the left-wing press somehow forgot make all these allegations while they watched in horror as ACORN was being exposed; they waited until after O’Keefe’s office visit to Landrieu.

    Comment by Official Internet Data Office

    Everything about it is ridiculous, but this is a very solid point. ACORN was actually charging racism, and some see ACORN as black oriented, especially in some of the cities exposed by O’Keefe.

    But as soon as I saw that extreme zoomed in photo, I knew something in the photo totally destroyed the narrative of white supremacy. And given that this was at that school and organized by and including several non-whites, and discussing racial matter, I think it’s pretty obvious what they cropped out: O’Keefe standing around a bunch of non-whites.

    That’s typical of the left. Deny even the existence of minorities who disagree with them.

    What’s sad is that Salon had no credibility to lose here, and probably is making some money off these lies. At some point, someone has to fight this crap in a courtroom.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  34. #

    Chuckles Johnson over at Little…balls is spreading the same smear.

    Comment by Dave (in MA) — 2/4/2010 @ 9:47 am

    Oh, dear.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  35. I agree with Dustin. Mostly.
    Dianna @26. Yes. He has been charged with a felony. Unless you think what he is accused of is not a criminal offence.

    The Emperor (688a60)

  36. Apple didn’t fall far from the tree, in mini-Sid’s case.

    At the end of the day, have you no shame, timmyb? Have you no sense of decency?

    Don’t bother with a response, timmy… we all know the answer.

    GeneralMalaise (55c598)

  37. Black Republicans ask for an apology for decades of Democrat Party racism…

    http://www.ihatethemedia.com/black-republicans-demand-apology-from-racist-democrats

    GeneralMalaise (55c598)

  38. Obviously I rarely agree with Emperor, but the democrats could do worse in their political strategy.

    If they (Democrat leaders in various places) came down HARD on ACORN, and condemned Landrieu’s behavior (this is assuming she actually cut off phones while has really not been proven yet) and condemned the bullshit smears in the MSM as unamerican and counterproductive, and also had O’Keefe’s charges dropped with a stern warning that his productive journalism needs to be conducted more responsibly, I think everyone would come out ahead.

    It wouldn’t have to be about the right or the left winning. It could just be a law and order issue where Obama and his party looked more effective.

    This ACORN business is being whitewashed, and that makes this a left vs right issue. The left shouldn’t enter battles that it’s already lost.

    Some Journalists will employ tactics that are obnoxious or irresponsible in their zeal, especially when that results in great news coverage. You can fight that and lose, or fight it an win by appearing to be the solution to exposed problems.

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  39. I think it just scares dirty socialists like Mr. Blumenthal when they realize how fragile it is, the the base of lies on which their destructive and anti-American policies are founded.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  40. why can’t I make sentences good today?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  41. You’re putting “I think” at the beginning of a sentence, instead of at the end.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  42. Lovie, What felony? You insist on going down the sewer, don’t you? We all know you are a partisan liar.

    See, Pat, you called “sooooooooeeeeeeee” and the lying libs came.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  43. Good catch. How odd.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  44. Yes. He has been charged with a felony. Unless you think what he is accused of is not a criminal offence.

    Comment by The Emperor — 2/4/2010 @ 9:51 am

    “Attempted Tampering” is, evidently, a felony charge, but he has not yet been convicted.

    So, how is he a felon? Until he’s convicted, he’s merely accused.

    I still don’t think you can call him a felon yet.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  45. I don’t have the balls to do what O’Keefe does. Some of these ACORN types are actually pretty dangerous.

    James O’Keefe entraps poor people so you don’t have to! I give him that awesome slogan for free.

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  46. It’s best just to dismiss Max Blumenthal outright,
    his track record with the truth, is checkered to
    be charitable.

    ian cormac (79614d)

  47. I still don’t think you can call him a felon yet.

    Of course s/he can…the truth means nothing to that creature.

    Old Coot (ddf8be)

  48. Hey, if the left wants to set this up so that O’Keefe actually WINS if convicted of only a misdemeanor, let’s not stand in their way.

    Personally, I’ll be disappointed if he is convicted of anything, so I’m setting myself up in the opposite direction.

    But the constant theme here is that liberal overreaction and zeal is the very best friend O’Keefe ever had. His life is all about showing examples of the stuff they are actually exploding with when they see him. It’s like attacking a fat camp with donuts. Trust me, that’s what they really wanted.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  49. I like how the “defenders” are ignoring the whole “making crap up” part of the story, because O’Keffe is, like, totally guilty of……….something.

    Techie (43d092)

  50. @42
    I think you understand my point, Dianna.

    The Emperor (688a60)

  51. Of course s/he can…the truth means nothing to that creature.

    Comment by Old Coot — 2/4/2010 @ 10:17 am

    I didn’t realize that. Sorry. I didn’t mean to feed the troll.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  52. Lovie/Emporer,

    You’ve been asking for a slap down. Here it is:

    UPDATE: The Richmond-Times Dispatch issued a correction to this story. We thank them for their diligence.

    In the column “Gotcha Games: Stung” of February 1, 2010, Staff Reporters refer to a wiretapping plot by James O’Keefe at the offices of Sen. Mary Landrieu:

    Now O’Keefe has been stung himself — busted in what looks like an attempt to tap the phones of Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, though a lawyer for O’Keefe and his co-defendants say they were just trying to get some undercover footage. Either way, they’ve landed in the deep sheep-dip.

    There are no allegations of any wiretap plot in the FBI affidavit that was released early last week, which your reporters could have easily consulted in numerous places. Also, a law enforcement official has conceded that the four men were not attempting to wiretap or intercept calls. Furthermore, legal representation for the accused has gone on record stating there were no intentions to bug the phones in the Senator’s office.

    We consider this error particularly egregious, despite the reporters’ attempt to ameliorate the false claim with the words “looks like,” considering that the Richmond Times-Dispatch published this article several days after the release of the affidavit which confirms there was no attempt to tap phones. We kindly ask you to issue a correction/retraction to the story.

    We have been/will be making similar requests of other news sources to correct similar errors. Some, such as the Washington Post, MSNBC’s David Shuster, Talking Points Memo, CBS News, the Associated Press, Andrew Sullivan of the Atlantic and TIME have already posted corrections or retractions.

    I hope your face hurts down to your donkey giving you a concussion.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  53. So the smear is working.

    Dianna,

    No, but some of the information accompanying the smear may work.

    I have always been a fan of O’Keefe and remained that way after his arrest. However, Blumenthal piece (although riddled with lies) does link to blogs which indicate he may have been a racist in college. In particular, they indicate that O’Keefe wrote a blog/column at Rutgers called “Feathers of Steel” in which he recounted being thrown out of an all-black dorm for allegedly referring to its residents with the “N” word. Although O’Keefe blames the ejection on a biased black campus administrator, the incident (along with other quote from his blog) do raise concerns. Until I see some refutation of those allegations, I am going to have to reserve judgment.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  54. Also, none of this proves O’Keefe is a racist or as racist as lovie, timb,…

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  55. @42
    I think you understand my point, Dianna.

    Comment by The Emperor — 2/4/2010 @ 10:18 am

    If your point is to call names, yes. If you have anything real to say, I’m missing it.

    O’Keefe’s got an off-beat sense of the absurd; I doubt that this stunt was intended to interfere with the phone system. You may not like his methods, but you don’t have grounds to say (so far, anyway) that he meant felonious harm to the Senator or her office.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  56. James O’Keefe entraps poor people so you don’t have to! I give him that awesome slogan for free.

    Comment by D. Aristophanes —

    See, this is what ACORN wants you to think.

    But O’Keefe proved they consistently help criminals cheat on taxes. Our tax dollars actually fun them cheating the IRS. There was no entrapment. Just watch the videos, for the first time I suspect, and realize what happened. O’Keefe isn’t saying that ACORN has ever set up a sex slave industry (though it’s totally conceivable). He’s saying they are deeply dishonest and often willing to abet crime. He proved his case, and sadly, he proved his case about the MSM at the same time when they kept backing up the ACORN spin after O’Keefe swatted the prior ACORN spin down.

    some on the left probably realize they should fix ACORN, but some are too busy blaming O’Keefe and inventing new smears and spin. It’s up to you to fix your party.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  57. Hell Dustin (at 51) it’s even worse than that. ACORN is not just helping crooks evade their taxes, they were willing to assist a white felon (O’Keefe’s pimp character) exploit helpless minority children in the worst possible way; as long as the money was used to support Democratic politicians and policies.

    Remember that O’Keefe and Giles were on the point of being turned away a few times but got instant interest as soon as he said he would use some of the money to run for office and support the ACORN/Democrat agenda.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  58. “I have always been a fan of O’Keefe and remained that way after his arrest. “

    Of course you are. And I am Marie, the Queen of Roumania.

    “However, Blumenthal piece (although riddled with lies) does link to blogs which indicate he may have been a racist in college”.

    What? An article which you say is “riddled with lies” links to other blogs which you accept as accurate?

    “. . the incident (along with other quote from his blog) do raise concerns. “

    Maybe you’re a concern troll. Maybe that’s the reason you’re concerned.

    “Until I see some refutation of those allegations, I am going to have to reserve judgment.”

    Well, you go ahead and reserve judgment. You can make the reservation under the name of “Blumenthal.”

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  59. Daristophones is a sophist.

    JD (45c904)

  60. I think the one thing O’Keefe’s recording will prove is that Landrieu’s phones were not jammed, and that she’s just another lying Democrat like timb, lovie, D. Aristophanes, …

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  61. A sophist that apparently likes to infantalize “poor people”.

    JD (45c904)

  62. Salon linked to a left wing blog that quoted a guy. this ‘eyewitness’ claims that blog completely lied about the quotes.

    So this entire thing is exploded from a super-ultra cropped photo and testimony from someone who denies the report.

    Of course some lefties will attempt to say ‘well, it’s not the evidence, it’s the seriousness of the allegations!’ It’s a neat trick. Man, if Glenn Beck did anything 1% as crazy as this stupid shit he’d be fired in 30 seconds. There’s a real problem when prominent liberals are willing to dig rabbit holes and jump headfirst into their own bullshit. It’s such a short sighted strategy.

    Even if you did destroy O’Keefe, which you won’t, you have also destroyed your own credibility. You won’t get it back. There will be another conservative investigator too, now that the shtick is proven effective. And to argue against him you will have Salon? LGF? The Washington Post? No one takes them seriously now. Great plan.

    Have Blue is right… O’Keefe has an easier time getting ACORN to tolerate sex slavery when he pretended to be a democrat politician. It should be the other way around. fix your party.

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  63. According to One People’s Project founder Daryle Jenkins, O’Keefe was manning the literature table at the gathering that brought together anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism.

    Well, there ya go!

    Looking around the “One People’s Project” website, it seems to cater to the crowd who feel that the SPLC is too reticent in throwing around charges of racism and anti-Semitism.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  64. James O’Keefe entraps poor people so you don’t have to!

    A bunch of “community organizers” had their supposedly street-wise credibility barbequed by a couple of suburban trust-fund kids, one of them dressed up in a leftover Halloween “Pimp” costume. I guess I’d be pretty embarrassed too.

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  65. Official Internet Data Office,

    No, I’m not a troll. There is nothing I’d like to see more than Obama and his ilk run out of office, but I am very leery of hitching my conservative wagon to this particular star.

    Notwithstanding the many lies (yes, lies) contained in the Blumenthal piece, it does link to other blogs, which in turn link to excerpts of a blog/column called “Feathers of Steel” allegedly authored by O’Keefe while a student at Rutgers. In it, O’Keefe recounts that he was accused of using the “N” word and “was lead out of the room crying and screaming at him and my situation, no friends, no one one [sic] to talk to, forced to go in front of a black man, Dean Tolbert, to defend myself and help explain that I did not call anyone any names.”

    Googling around, I see enough circumstantial evidence that O’Keefe did write such a blog, and I’ve seen enough excerpts from it to doubt that someone was just inventing the whole thing (particular since the excerpts were full of verifiable personal information).

    There is nothing more I would like to see than proof that O’Keefe did not write Feathers of Steel, and was not ejected by the Rutgers administration for using a racial epithet. If, in fact, those allegations could be refuted, it would be much more powerful evidence of the dishonesty and fabrication of Mr. Blumenthal. If you are truly honest about this, perhaps you’ll do your own sleuthing and explain why my concerns are baseless.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  66. Daristophones is a sophist.

    JD – or someone who disagrees with you. I’ve watched the ACORN ‘sting’ videos and see a bunch of stuff that doesn’t align with your opinion that ACORN staffers were ‘busted’. Such as:

    - A pair of pranksters manipulating encounters via effective use of confidence techniques so as to get the ‘gotcha’ that they want

    - Staffers who appear to ‘play along’ with O’Keefe and Giles, perhaps for their own amusement (San Berdoo lady, ‘bury money in a jar’ lady), perhaps to avoid a confrontation (something ACORN workers are trained to do)

    - Voice overs where important audio might be

    There are all sorts of problems with these videos. In my opinion, they are simply not close to being the slam dunk against ACORN that your side believes them to be.

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  67. Actually, O’Keefe wasn’t in a pimp outfit during the sting. And he didn’t claim he was. That was just clever marketing. He was in business casual.

    Not all that relevant, but it’s the truth.

    This ‘manning the table’ lie is particularly disgusting. They cropped that photo for a reason. They know this isn’t a photo of someone manning a table. He simply showed up at a discussion that wasn’t even organized by a white person. Now, it’s a Klan Rally and he was selling the hoods. Why is this kind of lie OK? because O’Keefe told ugly truths. They sat down and agreed this tactic is justified.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  68. Dustin – let’s be clear about something. It’s your opinion that O’Keefe ‘told ugly truths’.

    The people ‘smearing’ him on the racism charge (if that is what they are doing) believe that O’Keefe did not tell ‘ugly truths’ but rather tricked ‘gotchas’ out of unsuspecting people.

    Call me a concern troll, but you guys need to be smarter about this stuff. You need to stop telling yourselves that the other side is always and forever acting out of pure maliciousness or spite or jealousy. You need to be able to judge when an opponent actually believes themselves to correct by the same moral and intellectual standards that you embrace, but just has a different interpretation of the facts in evidence.

    Hey, my side needs to do this to, more often.

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  69. the sophist guy’s points would be a lot more credible if they didn’t come from people who make up ridiculous racism smears. now, I’ve seen them discussed to my satisfaction. The voice over defense wouldn’t possibly account for the obvious examples of ACORN having 7 offices help cheat the IRS. There’s really no possible voice over that could make that OK.

    But why even entertain that argument again, when it comes from someone who refuses to obey the basic rules of honesty. Anyone pushing this racism smear doesn’t get to have their voice heard in polite society anymore.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  70. No, I’m not a troll. There is nothing I’d like to see more than Obama and his ilk run out of office, but I am very leery of hitching my conservative wagon to this particular star.

    Notwithstanding the many lies (yes, lies) contained in the Blumenthal piece, it does link to other blogs, which in turn link to excerpts of a blog/column called “Feathers of Steel” allegedly authored by O’Keefe while a student at Rutgers

    But you’re not a troll?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  71. Anyone pushing this racism smear doesn’t get to have their voice heard in polite society anymore.

    Anyone who deliberately lies doesn’t, no. But if O’Keefe was in fact kicked out of a dorm for calling its residents “N’s”, he doesn’t belong in polite society even if other accusation of racism against him are lies.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  72. You need to stop telling yourselves that the other side is always and forever acting out of pure maliciousness or spite or jealousy. You need to be able to judge when an opponent actually believes themselves to correct by the same moral and intellectual standards that you embrace, but just has a different interpretation of the facts in evidence.

    Irony overload.

    It’s pretty damn funny that you write these words in the same breath as you accuse O’Keefe of doctoring videos to make poor innocent ACORN look bad. It’s not like ACORN has s such a spotless record apart from what Giles and O’Keefe found.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  73. Northeast Elizabeth

    Oh, and you have evidence? No link? You make another crazy insano charge of racism and have no evidence?

    Yeah, terrific plan of attack there. That’ll work. Just keep on saying he’s racist in ways that he’ll eventually not be able to disprove. That’s how to beat O’Keefe.

    Indeed, if someone can prove O’Keefe is a racist (like really one, and not a Rush Limbaugh style illustrating absurdity type one) the right will instantly ostracize him. That’s why y’all are doing this, of course. You know racism is not tolerated at all on the right.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  74. But if O’Keefe was in fact kicked out of a dorm for calling its residents “N’s”, he doesn’t belong in polite society even if other accusation of racism against him are lies.

    Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 11:12 am

    But you’re not a troll, right?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  75. It is amazing how the “Fake but Accurate” crowd thinks their lies still sell. No sale, “liz”, if any of that is your real name, or are you just another “Ellie Light”?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  76. It would help if we had more intelligent and matured people commenting here. Instead most of the time we have blind, partisans trying to justify every thing so long as the culprit is on their side of the aisle. Next they resort to insults ones someone disagrees with them and refuses to go with the flow. Would they be this zealous to defend O’Keefe if he were a Democrat? Big question. No answer. Except more lies and denials. Sad.

    The Emperor (20c6d1)

  77. So, three years ago O’Keefe decides to amble across the street to see what’s going on at a quasi-conservative event of a political nature. Someone takes his picture and for the rest of life, everything he does or says is canceled out because he’s a…….

    RACIST!

    Okay, I got it. Now, about that senator from West Virginia…

    Fresh Air (cae38a)

  78. 76, Lovie, are you so addled or insane that you can’t see your own lies and immaturity????

    Maybe you can understand this, YOU GOT PWND!

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  79. Would they be this zealous to defend O’Keefe if he were a Democrat? Big question. No answer. Except more lies and denials. Sad.

    Comment by The Emperor

    Sad and probably at least partially accurate. Things are even more partisan than ever. I look back at W promising an end to this kind of crap in 2000. It would be a massive improvement if we could go back to that point in time.

    When Code Pink entered a federal building under false pretenses 10,000 times, indeed I was more pissed about that than this. But I don’t really see a good analogue of O’Keefe’s actions.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  80. Northeast Elizabeth: Does Senator Robert Byrd belong in polite society?

    Old Coot (ddf8be)

  81. PCD?!

    The Emperor (20c6d1)

  82. It would help if we had more intelligent and matured people commenting here. Instead most of the time we have blind, partisans trying to justify every thing so long as the culprit is on their side of the aisle. Next they resort to insults ones someone disagrees with them and refuses to go with the flow.

    If only I was as “intelligent” and “mature” as you, and did not go around “insulting” people.

    There must be a gene for detecting irony which is missing in liberals. If you want to insult people, go for it. But it’s not a briliant move to insult people in the same sentence in which you object to insults.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  83. 81, What, liar? You just waking up from the slap down I administered to you in #52? Oh, I forget, you are mentally defective and not responsible for your lies.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  84. No, Byrd doesn’t belong in polite society.

    Here’s your link:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/15/782156/-The-Acorn-Pimp:-the-bully-behind-the-costume.-(I-found-his-blog)

    Yes, I know: It’s DAILY KOS!!! But here’s the problem, and it’s one that savvy internet researchers like Patterico well understand. The Kos piece links to an AWFUL lot of posts from O’Keefe’s (alleged) former blog, Feathers of Steel, and provides lengthy block quotes from it — including the one in which O’Keefe recounts his (alleged) expulsion from the dorm.

    Yes (as the Kos diarist later noted) the Feathers of Steel blog was quickly scrubbed and cannot be located today, even in the Wayback Machine. But quite frankly, it seems preposterous to me that (even) a Kossite would fake a whole bunch of blog post urls and make up all those quotes.

    I recall a similar incident when Obama’s alleged mistress, Vera Baker, was outed during the 2008. Her sites were scrubbed almost instantaneously. It’s perfectly plausible to me that O’Keefe did the same thing when the eyes of the media were focused on him last fall when the Kos piece appeared.

    As I said before, it would be a HUGE victory if you can prove these dorm expulsion rumors to also be smears. But if they’re true, I can assure you of one thing — the truth will come out.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  85. “Notwithstanding the many lies (yes, lies) contained in the Blumenthal piece”

    So, Liz, you’re saying that despite the many lies (yes, lies) you spotted in the article, you believe the author’s links were to authoratative sources? I think that’s nutty.

    . . . circumstantial evidence that O’Keefe did write such a blog”

    Circumstantial evidence is, of course, not to be confused with evidence. You must have learned at least that from the infamous “Duke Lacrosse” case. Usually, when I look for some kind of proof of authorship, I look for a by-line first, and then proceed from there.

    “But if O’Keefe was in fact kicked out of a dorm for calling its residents “N’s”

    If? Is “if” all you’ve got? If my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather. (Yes, it’s the troof!) If such a thing ever happened, then why haven’t we heard that slur before, like during the flurry of ACORN revelations, when similar allegations were made? You should not believe things brought to your attention by someone you say wrote an article “riddled with lies.”

    And which “N” word do they allege was used? The one used by Democratic Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV), or the one used by Democratic Senator Harry Reid (D-NV)?

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  86. Irony overload.

    Perhaps, but I’m actually talking about motivation, not tactics. I’m perfectly willing to concede that O’Keefe believes himself to be working for a good cause, that his ‘ends’ are personally noble ones, even if I’m far less sympathetic to his ‘means’.

    I actually think O’Keefe is part-glory hound, part-true believer in a cause. Nothing wrong with that, it describes a whole bunch of peoples’ basic make-up.

    I also think he’s willing to justify waaaaaay more questionable tactics to achieve his goals than most people are. In fact, despite what I assume are this commentariat’s basic political differences with me, I’d wager that the bulk of Patterico commenters are a lot closer to me than they are to James O’Keefe in terms of what we think is morally acceptable towards achieving our political goals.

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  87. it seems preposterous to me that (even) a Kossite would fake a whole bunch of blog post urls and make up all those quotes.

    Really?

    Did you read the blog post you’re commented about? It’s a the top of the page.

    Oh, btw, you changed your wild accusation. You said someone was kicked out of the dorm for shouting the N Word. That was scrubbed from the dorm blog too, ‘eh?

    It’s always something that is totally unprovable, and we are supposed to ostracize O’Keefe on the basis of trusting liars with no actual evidence.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  88. 86, Go try to baffle your fellow Kos Kids with your Bravo Sierra. You are another purveyor of “Fake, but Accurate”.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  89. Dur

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  90. Quick! Someone throw Dizzy Lizzy a life preserver. She’s drowning in DNC Kool-Aid!

    Hey, Dizzy! You know what a logic tautology? You use them as a substitute for thinking. You start with a false premise and try to build a logic truth from that point, but it is still a lie.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  91. Yes (as the Kos diarist later noted) the Feathers of Steel blog was quickly scrubbed and cannot be located today, even in the Wayback Machine. But quite frankly, it seems preposterous to me that (even) a Kossite would fake a whole bunch of blog post urls and make up all those quotes.

    If it cannot be found through the Wayback Machine, how did the diarist find it?

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  92. Like I said, Liz, if O’Keefe really was a white supremacist, he would be ostracized. This person has been heavily vetted and has written on race and he’s simply not what you accuse him of being. so I’m afraid you’ll have to argue his points on the actual merits.

    Fix the democrat party so that it doesn’t tolerate voter fraud or IRS cheating and O’Keefe loses most of his power. If the parties were reversed, that’s what I would want the GOP to do.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  93. Oh, Dizzy, the kos kids and the Obama campaign admitted the Obama birthcertificate they touted was a FAKE, like you.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  94. I also think he’s willing to justify waaaaaay more questionable tactics to achieve his goals than most people are.

    Really? His tactics are identical to those of liberal hero Michael Moore. He’s even admitted modeling his tactics on those of Moore. Can I expect to see a lot of righteous condemnation of Moore on the lefty sites?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  95. Oh, Dizzy, the kos kids and the Obama campaign admitted the Obama birthcertificate they touted was a FAKE, like you.

    Comment by PCD

    While I don’t accept the conclusion that Obama is ineligible and accept that he was born in Hawaii, this is a textbook example of why lying is counterproductive.

    KOS is the reason for the birther nonsense. It’s the equivalent of Instapundit photoshoping a plane hitting the Pentagon.

    And Liz thinks it is preposterous that these proven liars would lie about the guy who is being lied about by lots of people. That’s her argument.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  96. I think you guys are being a little hard on Northeast Eliz. It is prolly something worth looking at, though it has no bearing on what he is doing now, and trying to focus on something that is in the past, and nothing other than an unproven allegation is why people are reacting the way they are, NE. Just sayin’

    Daristophanes – If you look at those multiple videos and can claim with a straight face that they were all just playing along with a gag, than I doubt there is much we could agree on. There is nothing to suggest that they were playing along, unless you approach it with the sole intent of trying to afford one side the most charitable interpretation, and the other side nefarious motiviation. Plus, playing along does not fit very well with your infantalized view of the people being tricked by him.

    JD (5e5cad)

  97. Yes, I know: It’s DAILY KOS!!! But here’s the problem, and it’s one that savvy internet researchers like Patterico well understand. The Kos piece links to an AWFUL lot of posts from O’Keefe’s (alleged) former blog, Feathers of Steel, and provides lengthy block quotes from it — including the one in which O’Keefe recounts his (alleged) expulsion from the dorm.

    There’s nothing there. Even if we assume total veracity on the part of the Kossacks, the quotes don’t say much of anything.

    O’Keefe supposedly said this about a trip to Switzerland:

    Unlike those of other cities, no minorities or immigrants are in Lugano with the exception of maybe a few arabs on visas; tall swiss men do everything from waxing your floor to construction work (the sound of hammers and nails echo through the valley here) to serving you gas to checking your luggage.

    My God, what a monster!

    And here is the alleged money shot:

    For the month of January, I never left my room. Then on Valentines day, the one year anniversary of James/Arielle, in came a greek kid named Paul. Paul was an absolute nightmare.

    Then, to my horror, he actually said to the all-black RAs that I called everyone on the floor “niggers.” – a complete lie. It was my word against his.

    Assuming for the moment this is true (which we don’t even know), so what?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  98. Internet, Dustin,

    You both show an incredible degree of naivete regarding how stories are researched and proven on the internet, and what evidence (even if circumstantial) is sufficient to warrant further investigation.

    But I will pose challenge. I’m fairly confident the following facts are true:

    (1) James O’Keefe did write a blog called “Feathers of Steel (formerly appearing at http://liberabit.blogspot.com) while a student at Rutgers in 2006.

    (2) James O’Keefe did recount in that blog how, as a freshman, he was removed from his dorm room screaming and crying and then forced, unsuccessfully, to defend himself against the accusation that he had used the “N” word in referring to the dorm’s residents.

    Here’s the challenge: Get PATTERICO to opine, just a “yes” or a “no,” on whether he believes these allegations warrant further investigation based on the Kos link (and other blogs) on which they appeared in September 2009.

    YOU’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET PATTERICO TO SAY NO BECAUSE HE IS TOO HONEST TO DENY IT.

    [note: fished from spam filter. --Stashiu]

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  99. If it cannot be found through the Wayback Machine, how did the diarist find it?

    Maybe the diarist got it from Lucy Ramirez!

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  100. The Race Card…the last refuge of lazy pseudo-intellectuals.

    AD - RtR/OS! (0a4b14)

  101. Subotai – Thanks for reproducing that for us, as I refuse to click on a Kos link. If that is what they are basing this on, then NE deserves the grief she is being given.

    JD (5e5cad)

  102. JD, if Liz’s accusations are correct, it’s actually really important that O’Keefe is exposed.

    but her evidence was simply not good enough. It was looked at, and it’s just not credible. And in this context of a massive smear attempt, it’s annoying.

    It’s probably a complete fabrication like the above fabrication about the forum. We can’t follow every single birther lead. After the first few serious analyses, it’s just tedious. If someone is to make a birther case, they need even more evidence now, and the same applies to saying O’Keefe is racist. Why would this massive machine fabricate lies when evidence exists?

    Meh. I don’t mean to argue too hard with you or NE Liz. I suspect she in totally sincere. But that’s an ugly harsh charge that isn’t credible.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  103. 95, You went too far. I said Kos and the Obama campaign touted a faked birthcertificate which they admitted to. This was a slap at Dizzy Lizzy for even suggesting there was a limit to the lying ability or the scope of the lies Kos and Obama supporters are willing to go.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  104. these allegations warrant further investigation

    Keep Rahming that chicken.

    [note: fished from spam filter. --Stashiu]

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  105. NE Liz, no, I’m not naive. I was saying KOS would do exactly what you’ve shown them to do, and I said it right on this blog over a month ago.

    I’m the opposite of naive. I probably err on paranoia! I fully expect the left to fabricate progressively darker fantasies about O’Keefe peddling child porn or being a domestic terrorist or even worse varieties of racism.

    Stop proving me correct.

    And if the dorm did what you said, that’s misconduct that would be recorded beyond a blog. So the next fabrication should be careful enough to be less unrealistic.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  106. Assuming for the moment this is true (which we don’t even know), so what?

    If that is true, and the blog is authentic, then it’s also true (as O’Keefe allegedly says in the same blog) that he was kicked out of his dorm after a dean found the allegation that he used the “N” word credible. Yes, O’Keefe (allegedly) says it was because he was a “black dean,” and it is entirely possible that he was wrongly persecuted based on a series of lies.

    But the fact remains (if the blog is authentic) that he was kicked out of his dorm after some sort of official finding that he had used the “N”. It’s something that will have to be contended with in the future, even if it’s just his word against theirs. And there’s the chance that he’s not telling the truth. And maybe (maybe) that’s why he scrubbed the blog (if that’s what happens.

    No, the comments about Switzerland don’t amount to much. But they’re part of the reason I am convinced that the blog was authentic — why would a Kossack make up such inconclusively damning stuff? A true Kossack would make it much more racist.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  107. Dustin – See my #101

    JD (5e5cad)

  108. O’Keefe recounts his (alleged) expulsion from the dorm.

    That’s sort of a tip-off right there. If O’Keefe was found gulity of calling everyone “niggers” at Rutgers, he would not have been expelled from the dorm. He’d have been expelled from the school.

    But I will pose challenge. I’m fairly confident the following facts are true:

    And I’m fairly confident the following fact is true.

    Northeast Elizabeth is a lefty troll pretending to be something else. In other words, a moby. Why these people feel such a need to lie is s mystery.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  109. #

    95, You went too far. I said Kos and the Obama campaign touted a faked birthcertificate which they admitted to. This was a slap at Dizzy Lizzy for even suggesting there was a limit to the lying ability or the scope of the lies Kos and Obama supporters are willing to go.

    Comment by PCD — 2/4/2010 @ 12:17 pm

    I was probably being unclear.

    Indeed, you showed that it’s silly to say KOS lying is ‘preposterous.’

    I took that to a different level, pointing out how birther claims are progressively less trusted today. It’s an unrelated issue and I only mean to show (a different argument from yours) how people burn up their credibility by being irresponsible or malicious.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  110. 105, Dizzy Lizzy, when someone continually insists a lie is the truth, what do we classify them as? Maybe there are times when terms like “Dead Fish” Emmanuel used and was castigated for apply to trolls like you.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  111. There are many Kossacks: some of them lie some of the time, some of them lie most of the time, some of them lie all of the time. I don’t know what kind the one who wrote about O’Keefe was, but my belief is based solely on the nature of what was written.

    Let me pose the question this way: Would you bet your LIFE that

    (1) This particular Kossack simply invented the name, “Feathers of Steel” and the url “http://liberabit.blogspot.com” and

    (2) This particular Kossack simply made up all those quotes and attributed them to a diary written by O’Keefe?

    (1) Do you

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  112. Plus, playing along does not fit very well with your infantalized view of the people being tricked by him.

    They were tricked by not knowing he was filming them. Not ‘infantile’ about that, unless people grow x-ray vision after the toddler stage or something.

    But here’s a question – do you honestly believe the San Bernadino ACORN staffer was not ‘playing along’ with O’Keefe and Giles?

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  113. 107, Subotai, lies are their only weapon. Like Cool Hand Luke, they got nuttin’.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  114. Why these people feel such a need to lie is s mystery.

    Comment by Subotai

    Boy, you said a mouthful.

    There are two issues. One is the truth. Truth is that O’Keefe could actually be a racist who left no trail behind in his writings and actions, and even though the attackers are lying and lying, it doesn’t prove O’Keefe isn’t racist. This is not very helpful. Actually pretty meaningless.

    the other is tactics. Every time someone makes up another lie about O’Keefe, whether he’s a [bad thing] or not, it’s harder and harder to believe. They are burning away any vestige of credibility.

    Two separate issues. NE Liz could be right, by miracle, relying on ridiculous evidence but lucking into the truth. But few are going to believe this or the next wild accusation. If O’Keefe turns out to be a racist (yeah right), then the right will be done with him. But that is not what these attacks are about.

    they are about wearing the right down so that O’Keefe isn’t as able to investigate Landrieu’s behavior or ACORN’s activities. And while the next wild smear probably won’t be racism, it will also backfire. The only thing that won’t backfire is policing ACORN and whatever O’Keefe uncovers in the future.

    NE Liz should call the school and ask if O’Keefe was disciplined for this kind of severe misconduct, and what kind of recording would take place. Colleges do report that kind of stuff. Just imagine you lived in a dorm where someone actually screamed this kind of thing, and that someone later became notorious. No one in the dorm cared to come forward?

    Without some kind of evidence like that, NE Liz has helped burn credibility. We see how the left is trying to destroy a conservative journalist for sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong. Why doesn’t she care that the evidence sucks? Why didn’t Blumenthal? We all know the reason.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  115. As I said before, it would be a HUGE victory if you can prove these dorm expulsion rumors to also be smears. But if they’re true, I can assure you of one thing — the truth will come out.

    Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 11:47 am

    First off Liz, it is not O’keefe’s or our job to prove that these rumors are false. You need to take a remedial law course. It the job of the ones that allege this rumor prove that it is true.

    Fake but true anyone.

    Get a life.

    “The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?”

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  116. But the fact remains (if the blog is authentic) that he was kicked out of his dorm after some sort of official finding that he had used the “N”.

    Even by dishonest left troll standards, this is rather pathetic. You’re seeing what you badly want to see. There is no mention whatsoever of any “offical finding” of any damn thing, let alone that he “had used the “N” word”.

    You might want to look up the concept of “fact”. You seem to be abysmally ignorant of it.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  117. 110, So you are betting YOUR life, Dizzy Lizzy?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  118. Strange the NE Liz came here and is repeatedly trumping up her charge because of her passion for the real truth.

    Yet she is seeing real and proven bigotry by Blumenthal against a conservative journalist, and she doesn’t have a word to say about that. She’s studiously ignored what is proven. Why, that’s just not worth talking about and we should ignore it. We should look into this new accusation, and once it’s proven bullshit (which is probably impossible… can’t prove a negative sometimes), she says we will finally have our huge victory.

    Oh, but in that thread, I sorta suspect Southwest Catherine Ellison McEllers will show up to express her concern about some new child porn rumor.

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  119. Northeast Elizabeth is a lefty troll pretending to be something else. In other words, a moby. Why these people feel such a need to lie is s mystery

    I’m just trying to protect you from yourselves, and the letdown you may experience when the left really goes after O’Keefe.

    Consider this:

    (1) O’Keefe’s first tweet regarding his arrest was “The truth shall set me free.” (you can look it up, please don’t demand a link from me).

    (2) In Latin, the phrase is veritas vos liberabit.

    (3) The blog url identified by the Kossack in September 2009 was http: liberabit .blogpsot.

    (4) “Veritas vos Liberat” was also the motto of the Centurian, the Rutger’s paper founded by O’Keefe.

    Yes, it is possible that the Kossack knew about the Centurian motto in September 2009 and made up the url using “liberat” to make it more credible-looking.

    But no, sorry, my instincts go the other way.

    And again: if in fact this was some big devious Kossack plot, we can use it to bolster O’Keefe’s credibility (and discourage future attacks on him) by exposing the depths to which the liberals will sink in promoting these libels.

    But, as O’Keefe says, veritas vos liberat.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  120. My GOD, these people make crap up, and then want us to prove that these made up charges aren’t real.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  121. There are many Kossacks: some of them lie some of the time, some of them lie most of the time, some of them lie all of the time.

    And which kind are you, Liz?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  122. NE Liz – let’s assume everything you are claiming is true. All that establishes is that someone accused him of something that he denied having said.

    Darisophist – Let’s assume this one lady played along. How does that in any way change the fact that everyone else was eager to help? That you claim that a hidden camera tricked them into doing something they would not normally have done is laughable. Whether or not a camera is visible should not change whether you are willing to help out people claiming what they did.

    JD (331ad2)

  123. we can use it to bolster O’Keefe’s credibility

    What you mean “we,” paleface?

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  124. I’m just trying to protect you from yourselves

    That’s very considerate of you, but I don’t think we need any help from the left to take care of ourselves.

    if in fact this was some big devious Kossack plot, we can use it to bolster O’Keefe’s credibility

    Who is this ‘we”? Unless you mean the human race, you’re not part of any “we” which includes me or anybody on the right. Besides, just a second ago it was “you”. Get your storylne straight.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  125. nk complained somewhere that I talk too much and JD demolishes NE Liz in about 5% of the space it took me.

    :(

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  126. JD – yes, let’s assume the one lady played along. Why, then, did O’Keefe and Breitbart think it wise to post this particular video? Did they do that because they wanted to be fair, to show that not all ACORN staffers targeted by the sting operation proved to be culpable?

    Or did O’Keefe and Breitbart post this video because THEY ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT HELPED THEIR CAUSE? Did they post it because they were too blinded by their agenda to see the obvious – that this woman was on to the con, and was in fact punk’ing them, not the other way around?

    And presumably O’Keefe and Breitbart watched this video several times before publishing — yet they still couldn’t get that they were being punked.

    What does it say about you guys if O’Keefe, Breitbart and so many of their fans couldn’t see through this lady’s obvious turnabout on the ‘pimp’ and ‘ho’? Is it possible you guys have similarly misinterpreted ACORN staffers’ behavior in some of the other videos?

    Here’s the San Berdoo vid: http://biggovernment.com/jokeefe/2009/09/15/acorn-prostitution-scandal-california-here-we-come/

    D. Aristophanes (39f976)

  127. I still want to know how the Kos diarist found the blog to quote from if it is not accessible.

    The quotes someone provided above – about Switzerland and an unpleasant incident with a roommate – are not racist. In fact, if one read those quotes without the lead-in that they prove, prove!, racism, one would hardly note them at all.

    I would advise a deep breath. Those quotes aren’t damning. In fact, they prove nothing at all.

    Another question: O’Keefe is conspicuously white. How come he was in an “all black” dorm? Does that make the slightest sense to anyone? Has anyone even thought about asking that?

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  128. they post it because they were too blinded by their agenda to see the obvious – that this woman was on to the con, and was in fact punk’ing them, not the other way around?

    People on the left possess a remarkable ability to lie to themselves. Either that or they don’t know what words mean. “Obvious”? That’s your theory, a theory based on little more than wishful thinking.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  129. Is it possible you guys have similarly misinterpreted ACORN staffers’ behavior in some of the other videos?

    I’m sure the police were just misinterpreting this poor ACORN staffers actions.

    The head of a community reform organization faces sentencing after pleading no contest to two counts of criminal sexual contact with a minor in Torrance County. Ben McGartland of Albuquerque, head of the New Mexico chapter of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, was charged in July in state District Court in Estancia with 10 counts, including second-degree criminal sexual penetration of a minor, three counts of criminal sexual contact, attempt to commit a felony, kidnapping, concealing identity, two counts of possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of marijuana.

    And the same with this one.

    Shari Bell, 41, of Walnut Hills was arrested Wednesday night by Cincinnati police, reported WCPO, NewsChannel5′s Cincinnati sister station.

    Bell allegedly approached an undercover officer’s car in Evanston and offered him sex for money. Police also said they found a crack pipe in Bell’s coat pocket. Bell told police she works for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now at the time of her arrest.

    This is probably another misinterpretation.

    At least seven felons convicted of crimes including cocaine possession and robbery were recruited by a liberal group to register voters in Milwaukee, raising fears they may have committed voter fraud . . . Along with the seven felons, court records show one special registration deputy has a pending felony charge for heroin possession and another is facing a misdemeanor prostitution charge. A third was convicted of misdemeanor prostitution.

    There sure are a lot of “misinterpretations” surrounding ACORN.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  130. I still want to know how the Kos diarist found the blog to quote from if it is not accessible.

    As the Kos diarist explains, the blog was (allegedly) scrubbed after he posted the story. Happens all the time. Yes, it may well be that the Kos diarist himself created the non-functioning urls in the original story, but at least some of his or her commenters probably would have said something and it doesn’t seem a very likely scenario.

    NE Liz – let’s assume everything you are claiming is true. All that establishes is that someone accused him of something that he denied having said.

    Yes, indeed. But him having written that blog, and having been officially kicked out of the dorm for racism, present a VASTLY DIFFERENT SITUATION from the one presented by a Kos diarist having engaged in a massive smear conspiracy. The first scenario presents questions that Keefe will likely have to address; the second helps him immensely (even with defending against the Landrieu charges, to the extent it reinforces the nature of the left’s vendetta against him.

    Dianna,

    Note that you are wavering between the two VERY DIFFERENT scenarios. In one breath you say “well, it’s not all that damning (even if he was kicked out because of alleged racism)” and in the next you say “the Kos guy is probably lying because why would they stick a white guy in an all-black dorm.”

    If you’re wavering, then it just shows that reasonable minds may differ on what the facts are. I really wish people here would stop going ballistic over the possibility that a Kossack told the truth about something.

    Also, enough of this sophomoric “O’Keefe doesn’t have the burden of proof” argument. He didn’t have the burden on disproving Blumenthal’s lies about the conference either, but Breitbart and others certainly found it necessary to address them. If they hadn’t, you would have likely believed them.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  131. Dianna’s two points didn’t contradict eachother, NE Liz.

    And no one is going ballistic. We just recognize that you failed to make your implausible case and that you are really out of touch if you think its preposterous KOS kiddies would lie about this kind of thing.

    And really, Salon may be a joke, but they are much more worth taking down than a Kos Kiddie who thinks the moon landing was faked and lizard people killed Wellstone.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  132. Northeast Elizabeth

    I have always been a fan of O’Keefe and remained that way after his arrest.

    We don’t know if the Kos diarist is lying. But you’ve made it very clear that you are. How come you don’t respond to that charge? Does your silence indicate a confession of guilt?

    Subotai (a87c87)

  133. Oh, an by the way, I was posting lengthy, analytic, fact-based defenses of O’Keefe and his ACORN work last fall, at this blog, Politco, Media Matters and elsewhere:

    http://patterico.com/2009/10/21/acorn-philadelphia-video/

    http://www.phawker.com/2009/09/17/media-matters-philly-acorn-office-called-the-cops-on-gotcha-duo-posing-as-pimp-and-hooker/

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/ACORN_staffer_called_cops_on_filmmaker.html

    http://underthelobsterscope.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/an-article-from-media-matters-about-acorn/

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200909170031

    so lay off the “Moby” crap.

    [Found in the filter, probably due to several links. -- DRJ]

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  134. having been officially kicked out of the dorm for racism,

    You keep repeating this, but even the Kos blogger does not say that. That’s your own wishful fabrication.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  135. Subtotai,

    I’ve stated my position very clearly, and supported it with links, facts and analysis. Perhaps you should try the same thing. But again:

    My position is that O’Keefe very likely did write a blog called “Feathers of Steel” in which he recounted being thrown out of his dormitory on the basis of charges of racism which the administration apparently found credible. Even if Kos diarists lie, and lie a lot, the circumstantial evidence leads me to believe a Kossack wouldn’t have done it this way. And if indeed, O’Keefe was thrown out for racism, it is for him to address the charge and reaffirm his (alleged) blog defense that the roommate was lying and the dean was wrong.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  136. When the Moby/Trolls are exposed, they always resort to the wall ‘o text parameters. Pathetic.

    but Breitbart and others certainly found it necessary to address them. If they hadn’t, you would have likely believed them.

    I see – so if he was indeed innocent, they were supposed to just sit back and say absolutely nothing while the smear campaign ratchets into high gear, and of course we all would have believed the charges, yes? Because we certainly didn’t believe our lying eyes regarding his ACORN exposure vids, no way. But because they wished to defend him against baseless accusations, O’Keefe is ipso facto guilty as charged.

    God, but you’re not only a silly piece of human excrement, you think like one as well.

    Dmac (539341)

  137. My position is that O’Keefe very likely did write a blog called “Feathers of Steel” in which he recounted being thrown out of his dormitory on the basis of charges of racism which the administration apparently found credible.

    What do you base that “fact” on, you self-proclaimed long-time “fan of O’Keefe”?

    Even the Kossack you are citing does not make the claim you’re trying to advance. You’re piling your own bigoted speculation on top of other peoples rumours.

    Perhaps if you had not blatantly lied in your very first sentence on this blog your opinions would be taken slightly more seriously.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  138. Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 1:33 pm

    Show proof that these allegations are true or STFU. No I thinks, No Ifs and or Butts, only proof that these wild allegations are true. It is not incumbent on the accused to disprove shit. It is incumbent on the part of the accuser to show proof, not asspulls.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  139. I’ve stated my position very clearly, and supported it with links, facts and analysis

    Indded, your “facts” which are unproven, links that go to nutbag lefty sites that screech into the wind 24/7, and your awesome “analysis,” which reads like the latest excerpt from Highlights for Children.

    Dmac (539341)

  140. We all need to stop making fun of Lizzie Borden because she’s just speaking Twoof to Plower!

    Dmac (539341)

  141. The important thing is everybody understands that Mr. O’Keefe isn’t a racist and that Max Blumenthal lies.

    James O’Keefe is a very good person I think.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  142. You keep repeating this, but even the Kos blogger does not say that. That’s your own wishful fabrication

    The Kos diarist says that “James O’Keefe was then kicked out of the dorms,” immediately after having reproduced this(alleged) excerpt from O’Keefe’s blog:

    Then, to my horror, he actually said to the all-black RAs that I called everyone on the floor “niggers.” – a complete lie. It was my word against his. I was lead out of the room crying and screaming at him and my situation, no friends, no one one to talk to., forced to go in front of a black man, Dean Tolbert, to defend myself and help explain that I did not call anyone any names.

    So the plain implication is that O’Keefe’s appeal to Dean Tolbert was unsuccessful, that he was kicked out, and that it was for this incident.

    Presumably the dean was Mike Tolbert – Associate Director, Residence Life — his e-mail and telephone information are here if you want to investigate:

    http://www.academicleadership.rutgers.edu/resources/EmergencyContact.pdf

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  143. Even if Kos diarists lie, and lie a lot, the circumstantial evidence leads me to believe a Kossack wouldn’t have done it this way.

    No, the pattern of lying should persuade you that they always lie.

    I can just imagine it: “Your honor, my client is not guilty of perjury, because he’s already been found guilty of perjury many times before, and he knows better than to do anything that stupid again.”

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  144. The important thing is everybody understands that Mr. O’Keefe isn’t a racist and that Max Blumenthal lies.

    James O’Keefe is a very good person I think.

    Comment by happyfeet

    And it’s important enough that people will spend hours repetitively making claims that are totally irrelevant, just to send the thread away from the truth: a real asshole has been identified and a real victim of bigotry.

    What Blumenthal did to O’Keefe was wrong. And some will stop at nothing to change the subject.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  145. No you investigate it. It is incumbent on you to provide the proof of what you allege. Not on us to disprove your asspulls.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  146. Sorry 144 addressed to asspuller Liz.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  147. Dustin – Brevity is my friend ;-). Plus, the sophistry from NE Liz and Dsophistry makes it pretty easy.

    RACISTS

    JD (331ad2)

  148. Jeez, she makes these totally unfounded allegations and then wants us to do her job in defending her fake but true bullshit.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  149. Also the link below says “Mike Tolbert, assistant dean of residence life at Rutgers University, said that in order to increase the number of African-American males who go on to graduate, he joined the Black Men’s Collective, an organization that helps retain African-American men at Rutgers.”

    So apparently there is a black dean in charge of residence life at Rutgers named Tolbert. Yes, the Kos diarist may have simply done his research very carefully (even looking up O’Keefe’s favorite “libertas” motto), but . . .

    http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Tolbert_Mike_877119433.aspx

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  150. POA, oh, that’s obvious. But it’s amazing that someone would come here and demand we make phone calls to disprove a pretty dumb allegation from the least reputable source ever.

    And it’s all to distract from the fact that Blumenthal lied about O’Keefe.

    Anyway, I called Tolbert and he said NE Liz has been calling him all day offering to pay him if he helps her frame O’Keefe. You know this is true because you just read it on the internet.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  151. The Kos diarist says that “James O’Keefe was then kicked out of the dorms,”

    Yeah, you slly bint, the Kos diarist! Not O’Keefe. And even the “Kos diarist” does not say that O’Keefe was “offically found guilty blah blah” which was your own contribution to this.

    Presumably the dean was Mike Tolbert – Associate Director, Residence Life — his e-mail and telephone information are here if you want to investigate

    I’m sure you and your fellow Kossacks are already hounding the man, liz. Let me know what he tells you.

    the plain implication is that O’Keefe’s appeal to Dean Tolbert was unsuccessful, that he was kicked out, and that it was for this incident.

    Sure, just like the “plain implication” of the Salon story was that O’Keefe was a Klansman. I’m familar with the lefts “implications’, thank’s very much.

    Perhaps you can drop this fiction that you’re the judge in a trial and answer a few question yourself. What other blogs do you comment at and under what names?

    You’ve been accused of being a moby. To disprove this charge you must answer this question.

    Subotai (a87c87)

  152. Northeast Elizabeth:

    You write:

    Dianna,

    Note that you are wavering between the two VERY DIFFERENT scenarios. In one breath you say “well, it’s not all that damning (even if he was kicked out because of alleged racism)” and in the next you say “the Kos guy is probably lying because why would they stick a white guy in an all-black dorm.”

    I’m not wavering at all. I’m asking, quite reasonably, about elements mentioned that make no sense.

    The Kos diarist claims the blog was “scrubbed” after he found it? Really? Does that make sense to you?

    The most charitable assumption I could possibly make about the diarist is that he or she is relying on a very few (now uncheckable) quotes found during a very rapid scan. And the assumption that a neutral reader would find those quotes to be 1) racist; and 2) proof of some kind of ugly history is, at best, problematic.

    So, what are the facts? How about someone asks O’Keefe about this, instead of piling assertion on assertion.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  153. Just because it has a black dean, has a gazillion black students, has a secret society devoted to whatever, is not proof that the allegations are true. It only shows that some of the facts may be correct, but not the facts that prove the allegation of racism. Try again.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  154. And it’s all to distract from the fact that Blumenthal lied about O’Keefe.

    You only know that Blumenthal lied about O’Keefe because O’Keefe, Breitbart and others addressed the lies. However, they didn’t address the blog/”N” word issue, which is why I am concerned.

    If O’Keefe and Breitbart operated like you, they’d simply have said “Blumenthal lies, he has to prove it, nyah nyah nyah.” But they didn’t. They addressed specific facts with counter-facts. Except for the blog/”N” word issue.

    Yes, it’s oh-so-easy to say everything any Kossack says is always lie. But it’s much harder, in this particular case, to explain a Kos diary so full of facts about O’Keefe’s life at Rutgers. Intelligent, inquisitive people would be curious about the Dean Tolbert reference, the Switzerland trip, all the friend of O’Keefe’s he names, the “libertas” coincidence, etc. etc. etc.

    But let’s get some straight talk out of you. Pick 1, 2 or 3:

    (1) I am certain O’Keefe never wrote a blog called “Feathers of Steel” and that the Kos diarist just made it all up, along with the quotes.

    (2) I think O’Keefe might have written such a blog with the quotes attributed to him, but I believe his blog account that he was falsely accused.

    (3) I think the matter requires further investigation.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  155. So the plain implication is that O’Keefe’s appeal to Dean Tolbert was unsuccessful

    No, the implication is all yours, sweetheart. Don’t you have some book report due this week?

    , that he was kicked out, and that it was for this incident.

    No, your inane “facts” are again nothing but speculation, do you even understand the difference here, or are you truly this dense? Do you need us to educate you on what actual facts are, instead of bloviations from someone’s backside?

    Dmac (539341)

  156. At least NE lizzie gave 1 honest choice out of the 3. He may have written said blog, and he was falsely accused. However, Lizzie is not content with that, and places the burden of proof on others. She has consistently engaged in asspull after asspull. And that is a charitable reading of her comments. Moby, no doubt. Pushing a conservatives are the racists canard, no doubt.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  157. 1. I am certain–provide proof to show why you are certain.

    2. I think–is not proof, that is where you err, you are not equipped for thinking.

    3. I think–see #2.

    There is a response to all 3, and you still have not shown any verifiable evidence to justify any of your bullshit allegations.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  158. At least NE lizzie gave 1 honest choice out of the 3. He may have written said blog, and he was falsely accused. However, Lizzie is not content with that, and places the burden of proof on others. She has consistently engaged in asspull after asspull. And that is a charitable reading of her comments. Moby, no doubt. Pushing a conservatives are the racists canard, no doubt.

    Comment by JD — 2/4/2010 @ 2:30 pm

    Yep.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  159. The Kos diarist claims the blog was “scrubbed” after he found it? Really? Does that make sense to you?

    Yes. Happens all the time. Ask Patterico, Ace of Spades, etc. The Obama people are especially good at it (see Vera Baker incident mentioned above, and this link at Patterico:

    http://patterico.com/2008/10/20/evidence-of-obama-ayers-tie-sent-down-the-memory-hole-almost/

    Usually someone takes a screenshot, but apparently that didn’t happen here (which counts against the Kos diarist). My problem is that I’ve never encountered a case in my years on the internet where a blogger includes pre-scrubbed links as part of the original post. Possible, but not likely.

    The most charitable assumption I could possibly make about the diarist is that he or she is relying on a very few (now uncheckable) quotes found during a very rapid scan.

    Not even remotely possible. Too much detail.

    And the assumption that a neutral reader would find those quotes to be 1) racist; and 2) proof of some kind of ugly history is, at best, problematic.

    Yes, which is exactly why I think they’re authentic. Why would the Kos diarist do such a sloppy job of incriminating O’Keefe? Could have made up much more racist quotes.

    So, what are the facts? How about someone asks O’Keefe about this, instead of piling assertion on assertion.

    Only a select few have access to O’Keefe. And as I’ve indicated, O’Keefe has responded to some of the Blumenthal allegations. But he chose not to respond to the Rutgers ones. Maybe he didn’t want to dignify them with a response, maybe he didn’t think they were incriminating etc. But if, in fact, he never had a blog called “Feathers of Steel” at the url http://www.libertas.blogspot.com published on alternate Fridays, you think he would have very LOUDLY come out and denied it to completely destroy Blumenthal’s credibility. And he would have said, “No, I was never accused of using the “N” word and never had to defend myself against that allegation in front of Dean Tolbert.”

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  160. BECAUSE HE DID NOT ADDRESS IT IT MUST BE TRUE !!!

    As I said above, even if you accept he wrote them, all that shows is that someone said he said something that he vehemently denied saying. Oooooo. NE Lizzie desperately wants this to be true, as evidenced by her increasingly breathless comments asserting asspulls as facts.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  161. #

    The important thing is everybody understands that Mr. O’Keefe isn’t a racist and that Max Blumenthal lies.

    James O’Keefe is a very good person I think.

    Comment by happyfeet — 2/4/2010 @ 2:00 pm

    Yes, Blumenthal and others on the left will lie in horrible ways to smear someone, just for the sin of sticking his nose into democrat business.

    He deserves better, and he won’t get it. Worse, every vindication will be met with a more baneful, noxious accusation.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  162. At least NE lizzie gave 1 honest choice out of the 3.

    Interesting. I’ve seen commenters on this thread champion each choice, and claim they were being honest. Some of you have said the Kos diarist made it all up (the “Feathers” blog, the url, the quotes, the incident); others have said he likely wrote it but so what it, proves nothing; others haven’t been so sure.

    He may have written said blog, and he was falsely accused.

    Quite different, no, that saying the Kos diarist engaged in some insane conspiracy to fabricate a blog, a url and quotes?

    However, Lizzie is not content with that, and places the burden of proof on others.

    I’m very concerned, yes, with the quotes attributed to O’Keefe on the Kos diary, and it merits further investigation to determine whether it is O’Keefe or the Kos diarist who can be discredited (or at least called upon to explain).

    She has consistently engaged in asspull after asspull.

    How? I linked and quoted and explained my position in detail. It is you, and others (other than Dianna, for the most part) who have responded with empty, fact-free insults that don’t address any of the precise points I’ve made.

    Moby, no doubt.

    Really? Did you see all the deeply analytic posts I left at Patterico, Politico, Media Matters and other sites DEFENDING O’Keefe and attacking Media Matters and ACORN last fall? See above. Have you ever contributed any such analysis?

    Pushing a conservatives are the racists canard, no doubt.

    No, expressing a legitimate concern that in O’Keefe’s case, there may be some evidence of racism that may come back to bite him and humiliate his supporters.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  163. You are still trying to assert that James has to defend himself against baseless allegations. It does not fall on him to disprove, but on you to prove that the allegations are true. You know the old saying, “Innocent until proven guilty.

    You can think the sky is green, just doesn’t make it so. You can think the earth is flat, just doesn’t make it so. You can think the moon is made of green cheese, just doesn’t make it so.

    What do these have in common with your fake but true allegations? The same damn thing. Whatever you think, just doesn’t make it so, and won’t until you provide evidence.

    Do you even know what evidence is? Its that funny little thing with verifiable links, that can directly show that he had a blog, made racist statements on it, and show undeniable proof that he was expelled due to making racist statements.

    Until you do this, all of your asspull statements like, I think, are still just asspulls.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  164. NE – I think you’re a long way off on this.

    First, disappearing material is usually new, not left over from years before. And, if one were thinking it might vanish, why wouldn’t one take a screen shot?

    Second, “too much detail” in an era of cut-and-paste to a Word document? (Note that I’m playing to the assumption that the diarist was scanning quickly, not making quotes out of whole cloth) Please!

    Third, your “I think they’re authentic” makes a hash of your earliest assertions. You seemed to think the diary entry made a slam-dunk, ipse dixit! (he, himself, said it!)case. Which is it?

    You’re conflating the Salon article and the Kos diary. You’re combining the allegations. You’re claiming that O’Keefe is someone who has gate-keepers, who won’t let people talk to him, which excuses you from dropping an email to anyone at all, asking about the Kos Diarist’s allegations?

    Again, why should I read that as making sense? It’s failing simple logic tests.

    Dianna (5f6ad4)

  165. From the excerpts provided, lizzie, what is so horrific that is giving you the vapors?

    JD (cc3aa7)

  166. I can show that Patterico has a blog like this
    Patterico’sPontifications
    . I can directly show that PP has this article posted Salon Writer Max Blumenthal: James O’Keefe Is a Racist but that will not prove that Patterico is a racist.

    Now can you show that James O’Keefe has a blog, that he posted, and link to an article by him that proves he is racist? If not, just STFU and go play with yourself somewhere else.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  167. I will save you the effort, Lizzie. All of the alleged excerpts show is that there may have been a he said / she said that James adamantly denied. Why does this have you all atwitter?

    JD (cc3aa7)

  168. Go to court, tell a judge, “But your Honor, It’s because I think this, or I think that.”

    Lemme know how that turns out, Okay?

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  169. Only insane people keep doing the same thing expecting different results. This is the umpteenth time this kind of accusation has been debunked.

    We know it will be followed by yet another. It is a pointless exercise meant to slime a good journalist because he makes democrats look terrible sometimes.

    The warning couldn’t be more stark: if you dare challenge this mob, you will be slimed. as Patterico said, “Well, of course. When your other attacks aren’t working, race is where you go.”

    Look at NE Liz’s argumentation. She just repeats the exact same lies, perhaps elevating and exaggerating them as she goes along, and never acknowledging the damning flaws in her case. She’s good at sliming. Probably is having a great time.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  170. Did you see all the deeply analytic posts I left at Patterico, Politico, Media Matters and other sites DEFENDING O’Keefe and attacking Media Matters and ACORN last fall?

    No, because you supplied no links. We also won’t ever know, even if such links exist, if you’re actually the same person as the one writing those “deeply analytic” but still invisible posts last fall, since Patterico doesn’t use registration.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  171. NE Elizabeth: There is nothing more I would like to see than proof that O’Keefe did not write Feathers of Steel, and was not ejected by the Rutgers administration for using a racial epithet.

    Looks like he did:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/featherofsteel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXoLe1PO0zE

    Assclown doodyheads (f0d390)

  172. If they ever criminalize stupidity and attach the death penalty to it, posters like Lizzy will be in mortal danger.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  173. NE – I think you’re a long way off on this.

    First, disappearing material is usually new, not left over from years before. screen shot?

    No, you are quite wrong on this. In 2007, after she was selected to be John Edwards blogmistress, Amanda Marcotte began deleting multiple old posts from her blog about the Duke case and religion when the press began investigating them.

    And, if one were thinking it might vanish, why wouldn’t one take a screenshot

    It’s not always the first thing one thinks of in the heat of the moment, but more and more bloggers do grab them. If you Google “scrubbed” & Patterico you’ll find plenty of cases where he thanks others for grabbing the screenshots when others neglected to.

    As I said it counts against the Kos diarist. But it just seems like just a little too much work to create all that phony evidence.

    Second, “too much detail” in an era of cut-and-paste to a Word document? (Note that I’m playing to the assumption that the diarist was scanning quickly, not making quotes out of whole cloth) Please!

    I’m not sure what you’re suggesting — is it that the diarist DID see an authentic O’Keefe diary, but just scanned it quickly, paraphrased it and inserted new details? If so, I just don’t get that sense from reading it.

    Third, your “I think they’re authentic” makes a hash of your earliest assertions. You seemed to think the diary entry made a slam-dunk, ipse dixit! (he, himself, said it!)case. Which is it?

    Yes, I think (believe) they’re authentic, and very strongly hold that belief now (although not with 100% certainty). However, I never based their authenticity on the fact that “he himself said it” — obviously, if they were frauds, it wouldn’t matter that O’Keefe was identified as the speaker, even if each post closed with the statement “I, James O’Keefe wrote this post and swear to it under the penalty of perjury.” My belief as to the authenticity comes from the various details regarding Rutgers, the dean, the libertas url thing and the unlikelihood that someone would go to such lengths to post something so inconclusive on the racism question.

    You’re conflating the Salon article and the Kos diary. You’re combining the allegations.

    No, the Salon piece mentions “an online diary that has since been scrubbed from the Web (but not before being captured on Daily Kos” and then goes into the details of the “N” word incident, quoting at length from it, naming Tolbert, saying O’Keefe was expelled. (Yes, Blumenthal was inaccurate to say the diary was “captured” when it was just quoted from, not screencap(tured).

    You’re claiming that O’Keefe is someone who has gate-keepers, who won’t let people talk to him

    Indeed he does, especially now that he’s dealing with the arrest. Even if he weren’t, he wouldn’t respond to a lowly commenter — this is a guy who talks to Hannity and O’Reilly.

    <which excuses you from dropping an email to anyone at all, asking about the Kos Diarist’s allegations?

    No, it doesn’t, but I’m just not comfortable doing it. I leave it to the fearless types like Patterico. Plus, I rather doubt Dean Colbert would talk to me if I just identified myself as a curious blog reader.

    Again, why should I read that as making sense? It’s failing simple logic tests.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  174. you’re like me with Sarah Palin

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  175. Stan “Penis Monologues” Dia makes a guest appearance in “FeatherofSteel” video 12Knots at 14 seconds with a big fat cigar in his face, as all Randian Penis boys imagine themselves to look on a sailboat.

    Assclown doodyheads (f0d390)

  176. Did you see all the deeply analytic posts I left at Patterico, Politico, Media Matters and other sites DEFENDING O’Keefe and attacking Media Matters and ACORN last fall?

    No, because you supplied no link

    See comment 133, idiot.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  177. I believe this is assclown …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJND3By3Mg

    Or is it Intelliology?

    JD (cc3aa7)

  178. Now can you show that James O’Keefe has a blog, that he posted, and link to an article by him that proves he is racist? If not, just STFU and go play with yourself somewhere else.

    Patterico himself, and many other bloggers, rely on quotes and information gleaned from blogs that have been scrubbed. And then they point to the scrubbing as further evidence of a problem. Sometimes there are screencaps, sometimes not. In this case, the Kos diary with its lengthy quotes, corroborating factual information and odd urls is the same kind of circumstantial proof.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  179. “Only insane people keep doing the same thing expecting different results.”

    You mean arguing with Lizzie?

    Dan S (665bb6)

  180. Man that is just brilliant! Post a youtube link with someone sailing, and it just, OMIGOSH, proves they are racist. MY GOD, is sailing now considered racist also.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  181. I will save you the effort, Lizzie. All of the alleged excerpts show is that there may have been a he said / she said that James adamantly denied. Why does this have you all atwitter?

    And that he may have been kicked out of a dorm because of it, and because he allegedly blamed it on a the blackness of the dean. Again (try to get this point through your head), there’s a big difference between the O’Keefe blog being authentic or not, because if it is, O’Keefe may have to address the he said/they said thing, and if it isn’t, you can score some big points against Kos and Blumenthal.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  182. having been officially kicked out of the dorm for racism,

    Because that is a fact. Fact, NE lizzie, says. Fact. And you racist wingnutz continue to defend this racisty racist person.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  183. Who gives a flying f*ck whether there was a blog or not? Even if we accept all of the excerpts as being true, which I am inclined to believe, it doesn’t come anywhere near what lizzie is trying to make it out to be. Not even close.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  184. Racists, that is what all of you are, for not admitting that O’Keefe is a racist without the least shred of proof. Just because Lizzie says so.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  185. Can anyone actually be as dishonest as Lizzie, or is she just some fly by night douchenozzle of a troll?

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  186. Who gives a flying f*ck whether there was a blog or not? Even if we accept all of the excerpts as being true, which I am inclined to believe, it doesn’t come anywhere near what lizzie is trying to make it out to be. Not even close.

    Let’s try this again. If there WASN’T a blog, then the Kos diarist engaged in a most elaborate fraud which can now also be attributed to Blumenthal and completely discredit them both.

    If there WAS a blog (which JD is “inclined to believe”, despite the fact that that very belief has been labeled insane by other commenters), then O’Keefe has an incident to explain, and if it did happen, he may be confronted by witnesses who claim he did use the “N” word. And you know whose side the MSM will take in all that.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  187. Man that is just brilliant! Post a youtube link with someone sailing, and it just, OMIGOSH, proves they are racist. MY GOD, is sailing now considered racist also.

    Comment by peedoffamerican — 2/4/2010 @ 3:51 pm

    lookAtTheuser channel dickl*ss.

    Assclown doodyheads (f0d390)

  188. He has nothing to explain to you, lizzie. Accepting everything as true still does not support the outlandish determinations you seem so willing to arrive at.

    So, next time you quote me, don’t even think about doing so in a manner that suggests I agree with your asshattery.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  189. I think at this point Dizzy Lizzy the Kos Liar be banned as well as Assclown.

    PCD (46d16c)

  190. The most striking thing about the pic here is that O’Keefe looks weeded up to the high heavens.

    :-)

    Mike D (cfd823)

  191. Comment by Assclown doodyheads — 2/4/2010 @ 4:04 pm

    And this proves exactly what, shithead? That someone posted a video (not necessarily O’Keefe) on youtube of someone sailing. It doesn’t prove that he had a blog where he made racist statements. Try again douchnozzle.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  192. Phagh. the asshats at those blogs have already discredited themselves time and time again. More evidence will not convince a troll like you.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  193. See comment 133, idiot.
    Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 3:42 pm

    Your flurry of links above in #133 were stuck for a long time in the spam filter (which is where they belong).

    But, once again, for all we know you might as well be some Kos Kiddie who decided to borrow an identity here today, since there is no registration at Patterico. Old links can establish bogus credentials, since no one can prove that you’re not the same person. But you can’t prove you are the same person. You just claim to have the same handle in different places. Not proven!

    “so lay off the “Moby” crap.”

    I didn’t call you a Moby. I called you a troll. There’s a difference. But surely no sane person would get his or her posterior in an uproar about O’Keefe as you have today, and as luck would have it, on the very same day Salon.com floated an ugly article by Max Blumenthal. Was your performance orchestrated to support the salon.com article when it came out? Who went back and collected the old links by Northeast Elizabeth for you? And you say you are arguing with everybody here to do us all a favor. Now, that’s funny.

    The same kind of obsession about O’Keefe reminds me of the same obsessive campaign conducted against Robert Stacy McCain, and we all know who was in the forefront of that.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  194. Comment by JD — 2/4/2010 @ 4:10 pm

    She is entirely on point, and if you would remove your head from your as you would see that.

    If there was no blog, than Kos and Blum are screwed. If they have been had by someone faking at being O’Keefe, they are only slightly less screwed. If there is no blog, they got taken, and that makes them look incredibly stupid.

    If there WAS a blog, then she’s right – O’Keefe had better come up with some sort of explaination, lest he get dumped faster than you can think. The Right doesn’t support people with that sort of history (mainly because they run as Democrats), and she is EXTRA correct in saying that someone could easily claim they heard O’Keefe dropping N-Bombs. At that point it wouldn’t matter if it was provable that he didn’t, because we all know that the MSM wouldn’t even interview the guy for 2 months before they smeared him with the accusation.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  195. I like Mr. O’Keefe even if he had a blog in college what had no-no words. James is on my team in the fight against the continued dirty socialist defilement of our little country. So you take your head outta your ass and see that why don’tcha, huh?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  196. Scott – whatevs. All that would prove is someone accused him of saying something that he adamantly denied saying.

    JD (3ba756)

  197. Remember the left’s battle cry: “The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”

    Well, all the writers at Kos are a bunch of pansied up, cross dressing libturds, and have referred to minorities as the ‘N’ word.

    Just prove its not true.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  198. My problem is that I’ve never encountered a case in my years on the internet where a blogger includes pre-scrubbed links as part of the original post.

    If you’ve been on the internet for years there shold be no shortage of comments by you confirming your conservative bona-fides. Where are they?

    Subotai (006e0f)

  199. Again (try to get this point through your head), there’s a big difference between the O’Keefe blog being authentic or not, because if it is, O’Keefe may have to address the he said/they said thing, and if it isn’t, you can score some big points against Kos and Blumenthal.

    The only person I see making a big meal out of this garbage is you so i guess we’ll score points against you, and your long-standing crediblity as an internet commenter will be severely damaged.

    Subotai (006e0f)

  200. It is quite easy to show how Blumenthal lied lied lied as evidenced above.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  201. Apart from the “N” word dispute, O’Keefe (or the Kos diarist) might also have a problem with the “Indian midget” comment. Yes, perhaps he “smelled like shit” but it’s unclear why it was relevant to include the ethnicity and height references. Did O’Keefe (or the diarist) think that roomate should be running the 7/11 concession at a circus instead of attending college?

    Hotair seems to believe O’Keefe authored the blog but that Blumenthal was grasping at straws to criticize an 18 year old for “saying something stupid.” We’ll see, I suppose, what O’Keefe take on it is.

    Northeast Elizabeth (3ebe43)

  202. What did we learn yesterday about that word, JD. You forgot to use the word meme. Pick up your game, brother.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  203. If there WAS a blog, then she’s right – O’Keefe had better come up with some sort of explaination, lest he get dumped faster than you can think. The Right doesn’t support people with that sort of history (mainly because they run as Democrats), and she is EXTRA correct in saying that someone could easily claim they heard O’Keefe dropping N-Bombs. At that point it wouldn’t matter if it was provable that he didn’t, because we all know that the MSM wouldn’t even interview the guy for 2 months before they smeared him with the accusation.

    Damn, if only the Dems had the sense to accuse Scott Brown of saying “nigger” they could have won that seat it seems. I don’t see why anybody on the right would want to endorse these ridiculus rules which act as a ball-and-chain on Republicans.

    she is EXTRA correct in saying that someone could easily claim they heard O’Keefe dropping N-Bombs

    Great. I heard Chuck Schumer doing that just yesterday. There was nobody else present, mind you, but you can take my word for it.

    No?

    Subotai (006e0f)

  204. ^idiotology lives up to it’s moniker.

    Dmac (539341)

  205. Damn, Subotai, I heard Obama say the same thing, and then he called Lizzie a dumbass cracker to boot. Of course there was nobody present but me either. They can take my word for it also!!!!!

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  206. If you’ve been on the internet for years there shold be no shortage of comments by you confirming your conservative bona-fides. Where are they?

    See links at #133 above; do a Google blog search for “Northeast Elizabeth”; Google “Northeast Elizabeth” and “Patterico”. I’ve been banned from The Washington Monthly and other Obama-worshipping venues.

    Northeast Elizabeth (3ebe43)

  207. There is no O’Keefe blog. According to the internet archive, there was no O’Keefe blog. There is no screenshot of an O’Keefe blog. Someone claims to have had a glimpse of one, but there’s no proof. This alleged O’Keefe blog reminds me of Bigfoot.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  208. The more I think about it, the less I care whether NE lizzie is a conservative or not. The standards she is setting up are ridiculous, regardless of ideology. As is noted above, it gives credence to a he said /she said and apparently is willing to give more weight to the accusation.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  209. JD, it’s because it fits teh narrative.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  210. I thought that hearsay was inadmissable in a court of law, at least in most cases. Then why is Lizzie assuming guilt before a trial?

    Dmac (539341)

  211. Dmac, see #209.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  212. So, what do we call the new O’Keefe truther movement? Keefers?

    Hadlowe (061332)

  213. Hmmmmm, they lied about him trying to tap phones. They lied about him trying to tamper with phone system. They lied about the undercover ACORN videos that showed ACORN’s criminal activity.

    How about we refer to them truthfully as,

    LIARS.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  214. Since my moniker is actually Intelliology, that is quite the compliment, Dmac.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  215. ^misses sarcasm and irony in the same sentence. Too many bong hits today, apparently.

    Dmac (539341)

  216. But we’re not in a court of law. We’re in a court of public opinion, where it is crucial to counter allegations once they’ve gained a certain traction or have been circumstantially corroborated. Sarah Palin got massacred by the lies promoted by the MSM, whether they were hearsay or otherwise inadmissable.

    In any event, O’Keefe’s blog statements would fall under the “party admission” exception to the hearsay rule (ask Patterico). He could deny he said them (or explain them), but they’d still get presented to the jury.

    OIDO, I’m glad you’ve satisfied yourself that there was never a James O’Keefe blog at http://www.libetas.blogspot.com. It shows how very little you know about the Internet archive and blog-scrubbing.

    Northeast Elizabeth (3ebe43)

  217. You are the only one giving this traction.

    Here is a hint. I would bet I could guess what he would say. He would likely say exactly what he said then, ie. someone accused me of saying something that I adamantly deny saying. Everything else NE lizzie has conjured up is pure fabrication.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  218. Sorry, the blog you were looking for does not exist. However, the name libetas is available to register!

    This one doesn’t exist either:

    http://www.imadickwaddumbass.blogspot.com/

    I just suppose its been scrubbed too. And I just made it up.

    Damn, I just found one that Lizzie must have had thats been scrubbed.

    http://www.northeastelizabethcallsblacksnaggers.blogspot.com/

    Well, it sure seems easy to find these nonexistent and incriminating scrubbed websites.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  219. Damn, Elizabeth, now please prove that you didn’t have a blog that called blacks, naggers.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  220. Notice that it gives the same info that you think is so incriminating.

    Blog not found
    Sorry, the blog you were looking for does not exist. However, the name northeastelizabethcallsblacksnaggers is available to register!

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  221. When I click on Elizabeth’s link in #216, it says:

    BLOG NOT FOUND. Sorry, the blog you were looking for does not exist.

    Nope, no O’Keefe blog there! Or is the message supposed to mean the opposite of what it says?

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  222. I’ll even go one better. I will make it exist just for you.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  223. Look, I found proof that Lizzie calls blacks naggers.

    http://northeastelizabethcallsblacksnaggers.blogspot.com/2010/02/northeast-elizabeth-says-that-blacks.html

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  224. We’re in a court of public opinion, where it is crucial to counter allegations once they’ve gained a certain traction or have been circumstantially corroborated.

    And you’ve given much credence to those allegations, as well as attempted to give them traction by making wholly unsubstantiated claims. Yet you claim to be “helping us out” here? The only person giving credence to this crap is lefty nutbags like Media Mutters, Kos and now yourself. Excellent work there, job well done.

    I have to say you’re doing an incredibly poor job of defending your many statements here, and the projection meter is off the charts in every missive you’ve posted so far.

    Dmac (539341)

  225. Sadly, none of you are as intelligent or funny as you apparently think.

    Seems that O’Keefe scrubbed his dating site page the other day:

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/f/g/fgdesign/2010/02/investigative-journalism-o-kee.php?ref=mp

    But this time the guy got a screenshot. O’Keefe’s screename was “Feather of Steel”, same as the alleged blog. Just another wild coincidence, I suppose.

    But again, maybe it’s all just more fabricated evidence from leftwing blogs. If so, it’s great to discredit them – be my guest.

    I’ll save you the effort of a response — just cut and paste this:

    “Dizzy Lizzy your so stupid you can’t prove anything ha ha ha your a troll look this site won’t work http://www.northeastlizzyisadoodyhead.com hahaha”

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  226. Notice that I left my moniker on the site just to show how easy it is. I could just as well have registered a new email and posted as Northeast Elizabeth.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  227. If they got a screenshot that is oh so incriminating, why didn’t they get one of his supposed racist screed? Mebbe because it just doesn’t exist, and they want to make shit up. Uh, and also the addy doesn’t match the one your buddies at Kos gave.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  228. Yet that in no way proves what you allege, lizzie.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  229. Now, I think I’ll make your blog disappear down the memory hole and accuse you of all sorts of perverted crap that you seem to swallow so handily.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  230. Salon – By O’Keefe’s own account, his racial troubles became acute when he entered the multicultural atmosphere of Rutgers University’s dormitory system.

    Big Journalism – Mr. O’Keefe has given no such account. He did, however, tell BigJournalism.com in an interview and denied both that his “racial troubles became acute when he entered the multicultural atmosphere of Rutgers University’s dormitory system” and that he ever gave an account of that nature.

    Apparently, Mr O’Keefe has spoken of this before. Isn’t it safe to assume that if he adamantly denied the accusations then, that he continues to do so now?

    JD (cc3aa7)

  231. It’s now gone. Are you ready Lizzie?

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  232. Northeast Lizzie had a blog, http://northeastelizabethcallsblacksnaggers.blogspot.com/2010/02/northeast-elizabeth-says-that-blacks.html , and made some really bad racist statements like calling blacks n*ggers. Why if you don’t believe me, just click the link. Even tho it doesn’t exist anymore, it proves it anyways. Why she must just defend herself and prove that she never, ever made those racisty statements.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  233. What? She hasn’t defended herself yet? Then by her own terms, she is guilty as charged!

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  234. Do you mean O’Keefe’s screen name on a dating site is the smoking gun? Are you saying that O’Keefe’s attempts to get a date are racist? Is that what you’re saying, Elizabeth?

    I’ll make a prediction: Northeast Elizabeth will be the first person banned from the entire Internet.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  235. Sadly, none of you are as intelligent or funny as you apparently think.

    Perhaps, but we’re a hell of lot more objective than your fevered rantings here. So you tell me, is presumed innocence before guilt a concept too complex for your dogmatic and limited worldview? Which thought process is more “intelligent” in your humble opinion?

    BTW, we only make fun of those we don’t take seriously. Your wild speculations based on no discernible evidence has proven that you’re not serious about acutally debating this issue, but only came on here to make some sort of martyrdom in lieu of a more blatant agenda.

    Dmac (539341)

  236. Awwwwww, did little lizzie get mad and take her wittle keyboard and go hime?

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  237. Big Journalism – Mr. O’Keefe has given no such account. He did, however, tell BigJournalism.com in an interview and denied both that his “racial troubles became acute when he entered the multicultural atmosphere of Rutgers University’s dormitory system” and that he ever gave an account of that nature.

    Weasel words — a classic non-denial denial. It’s not clear at all that he’s denying authorship of the Feathers of Steel blog at Rutgers or any of the quotes attributed to him in it. Nor does he address the dorm incident; it’s just that he doesn’t think any of it reflects that “racial troubles became acute.”

    BTW, your cutesy fake URL routine wasn’t clever the first time and hasn’t improved. If you’re trying to make the point that a URL can be made up, well duh. But that has little bearing on whether O’Keefe scrubbed the Feathers of Steel site (www.libertas.blogspot.com after it was discovered by a Kos diarist in September 2009.

    And I see you have little to say about his scrubbing his “Feather of Steel” profile a couple of days ago.

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  238. home?

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  239. Now read this post where a black defends O’Keefe you freakin moron. http://patterico.com/2010/02/04/time-for-salon-to-retract-libelous-okeefe-article/comment-page-1/#comment-620619

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  240. Do you mean O’Keefe’s screen name on a dating site is the smoking gun? Are you saying that O’Keefe’s attempts to get a date are racist? Is that what you’re saying, Elizabeth?

    So very very CLEVERRR!

    I do think this newly discovered use of “Feather of Steel” by O’Keefe will make it quite difficult for him to deny the Kis diarist’s claim back in 2009 that he ran a blog by the same name. It would make it difficult whether he used that name on a dating site or a tee shirt or a tattoo.

    But facts and logic mean nothing to you.

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  241. Who gives a flying f@ck if he “scrubbed” a profile from a dating site ?!?!

    What about those quotes attibuted to him have given you the vapors, lizzie?

    JD (d55760)

  242. This is too tedious for me. I think Northeast Lizzy is not a moby and doesn’t realize she’s a troll. I think she is totally mistaken in her thinking, but probably is sincere. Her other posts have the same feel to me. I think it’s the same person.

    Scott, this blog accusation has absolutely nothing to do with Blumenthal as far as I know. And if it’s accurate, which is far from demonstrated, it only proves that O’Keefe denied a racism accusation years ago. I don’t think that requires much of an explanation (arguable). you are right, though, that the right dumps racists and ostracizes crazies. I think if O’Keefe were one we’d already know about it, but your principle is right. and I think the left knows it and wants to trump up even think stories knowing that well meaning people will attempt to ostracize crazies, perhaps accidentally.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  243. So far you haven’t defended yourself against the racist comments that you made at http://northeastelizabethcallsblacksnaggers.blogspot.com/2010/02/northeast-elizabeth-says-that-blacks.html, so I guess that makes you guilty just like it supposedly makes O’Keefe guilty in your warped world.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  244. Who gives a flying f@ck if he “scrubbed” a profile from a dating site ?!?!

    It established a pattern of destroying evidence, in this case the evidence that he used the Feather if Steel name and thus may have maintained a blog by that name as alleged bybtbe Kossak last year.

    What about those quotes attibuted to him have given you the vapors, lizzie?

    Why NOTHING, JD!!! Midgets and Indians totally creep me out too, especially when combined in a single package that stinks like shit. How about you? And I, too, was accused if using the “N” and persecuted by a black dean. How about you?

    Comment by JD — 2/4/2010 @ 7:38 pm

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  245. But no facts and the absense of logic mean nothing to you.

    Comment by Northeast Elizabeth — 2/4/2010 @ 7:38 pm
    There fixed that for you.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  246. POA, I was ticked until I realized you didn’t really make that blog. Good point, of course.

    You can attack Liz’s argument from either direction. Lack of evidence for her facts, or lack of logic for her conclusion (since even if her unproven facts were proven, all it means is that O’Keefe denied yet another accusation from the PC police).

    It’s not unbelievable or anything. O’Keefe really could have been a gadfly, occasionally annoying, and poking those who could use some poking in our academic environment. It’s easy to imagine him saying something that gets him in hot water with the perpetually aggrieved. But why?

    It’s useless to even bother making preemptive defenses for the next in the eternal string of accusations. If the case isn’t proven, it doesn’t matter. Same applies to the next 500 accusations.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  247. this blog accusation has absolutely nothing to do with Blumenthal as far as I know

    Huh?? Blumenthal quotes from the blog at length in his Salon piece, and Big Journalism has demanded a retraction of the accusations (though of what, exactly, it’s not clear).

    Not sure why you see ME as a troll when the commentors who disagree (for conflicting reasons) have engaged in little more than “you’re stupid” arguments. That’s what you should find tedious.

    Peedoff, you look pretty silly continuing to deny the existence of a blog that Hotair and many of the commentors on this blog accept, and which neither Big Journalism nor O’Keefe have seriously denied. (Do you find peeoff’s refusal to. accept the obvious tedious, Dustin? And why do you consider me so dull-witted and unselfish-aware? Did you find those posts I linked to factually erroneous or unintelligent?)

    [Comment released from filter -- DRJ]

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  248. Sheit Dustin, if it’s only 500 more frothing at the mouth accusations, I will be pleasantly surprised.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  249. Elizzie, you and I repeat you, have not shown one shred of evidence that a blog existed where James O’Keefe made any racist statement whatsoever. All I have seen is a possible screenshot where it shows him sailing and mebbe smoking weed. If you cosnider that as evidence of racism, then you do really need psychiatric help ASAP.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  250. Since there is no O’Keefe blog, and it’s highly doubtful that there ever was one, we have to assume that Blumenthal is repeating hearsay material someone on the left fed to him, or that he is making it all up as he goes along (aka pulling it out of his ass.) It is not quoting.

    It’s not journalism when you pretend to quote from a text or a source which does not exist, and no one can prove ever did exist.

    Official Internet Data Office (dc2fe1)

  251. OIDO, I just love how these idiots pull accusations outa their ass and then demand that we disprove them.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  252. I’m sorry. It’s really hard to keep track of all the crazy accusations you gues keep throwing up here.

    I corrected Scott Jacobs in saying Blumenthal didn’t promote this blog accusation. I thought he was making the debate accusation and KOS came up with the blog one (about the dorm). Yesterday someone on this blog was insisting Bush LIHOPed 9/11. Tomorrow it’s probably going to be the Wellstone assassination.

    but anyway, I see that I was in error and Blumenthal also promoted the blog smear. Liz is being increasingly acerbic and unreasonable, and refusing to accept that she’s actually lying (by saying things are fact after saying they aren’t proven). But I don’t have my ego tied into my comments like that.

    I stand corrected. It’s just kinda tiring to keep up with all this.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  253. If you are going to attribute my name to a comment, lizzie, please don’t insert your commentary in same.

    Could you quote for us, lizzie, the racist statements that are being attributed to O’Keefe?

    JD (d55760)

  254. proof  /pruf/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [proof] Show IPA
    –noun 1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
    2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
    3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
    4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
    5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
    6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

    So far, I have seen none of the above as it applies to O’Keefe’s alleged racist statements.

    peedoffamerican (422035)

  255. Could you quote for us, lizzie, the racist statements that are being attributed to O’Keefe?

    Read the Salon and Kos pieces, you dishonest fucktard. The N word, the Indian midget slur etc that have been repeated endlesslessly in this thread. Good God, you morons have been denying that O’keefe ran the Feathers of Steel blog for 200 comments just you could avoid addressing what he said in it.

    Dustin, you patronizing prick, thanks for admitting that you never bothered reading the Salon piece that is the subject of Patterico’s post, or the very section of the Salon piece that has been my sole focus. I had to explain the same thing to someone who accused me of “conflating” Salon and Kos, oh, 150 comments ago. Yeah, I’m the ascerbic one, you’ve all been so polite. And yeah, I’m lying, Kos obviously just invented the blog and all those quotes and details about O’Keefe’s roomates and friends and deans and then tricked him into picking a dating screenname identical to the imaginary blog. No “proof” there!

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  256. The only retard in this thread is Dizzy Lizzy. Listen you mental midget, O’Keefe didn’t say or blog it. You are a complete waste of life. No one will miss you when you are gone.

    PCD (46d16c)

  257. Read the Salon and Kos pieces, you dishonest fucktard.

    Awesome rhetorical skills – count me convinced of your POV!

    Dustin, you patronizing prick,

    Can we subscribe to your newsletter?

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Dmac (539341)

  258. BTW, you have yet to make an appearance in the later thread discussing this very same issue – wonder why? Either go there and make the exact similar comments on this post or admit that you’re done.

    Dmac (539341)

  259. As a general rule, one doesn’t read Salon, it has a long established record of traducing the truth, to be charitable, linking to the cesspool that is Kos,
    which has been acceptable because every Democratic
    candidate, including the incumbent, had a diary there doesn’t impress either

    ian cormac (79614d)

  260. it comes down to this. see that crappy photoshop where it looks like part of the clothing is actually drawn on him?

    They presented that as a photograph, making no note of the changes.

    they lied. and once they are on record telling a stupid and obvious lie, then you throw out the rest.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  261. BTW, you have yet to make an appearance in the later thread discussing this very same issue – wonder why?

    Guess you have reading problems too. I quoted Big Journalism’s response above, and as I noted, it’s just a weaselly-worded evasion of the blog/dorm issue. The Voice certainly didn’t retract whatever it said about that, and I guarantee that Salon never will (despite the numerous lies in the rest of its piece, which I’ve acknowledged from the beginning of this discussion).

    like shit”;

    (5) Whether a Daily Kos diarist discovered the blog in September 2009 and quoted large sections of it verbatim;

    (6) Whether the Daily Kos diarists readers also saw O’Keefe’s alleged blog;

    (7) whether O’Keefe scrubbed the blog out of embarrassment upon realizing the Kos Diarist had linked to it

    (8) whether O’Keefe used the screenname “FeatherofSteel” at a dating site;

    (9) whether last week he scrubbed his dating profile after a blogger discovered it and he realized people would make the connection to his already scrubbed Rutgers blog.

    I’ll reproduce this list and demand you respond to every single point each time you whine that there’s no “proof.

    Awesome rhetorical skills . . . Can we subscribe to your newsletter?

    No, I could never compete with your genius:

    “You’re not only a silly piece of human excrement, you think like one as well.”

    “We all need to stop making fun of Lizzie Borden because she’s just speaking Twoof to Plower!”

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  262. Corrected Comment from above(portion of it was cut out)

    BTW, you have yet to make an appearance in the later thread discussing this very same issue – wonder why?

    Guess you have reading problems too. I quoted Big Journalism’s response above, and as I noted, it’s just a weaselly-worded evasion of the blog/dorm issue. The Voice certainly didn’t retract whatever it said about that, and I guarantee that Salon never will (despite the numerous lies in the rest of its piece, which I’ve acknowledged from the beginning of this discussion).

    Maybe you should focus on whether:

    (1) In 2006, James O’Keefe while at Rutgers ran a blog called “Feathers of Steel” at http://www.libertas.blogspot.com;

    (2) whether O’Keefe derived the Url of the blog from the phrase “veritas vos libertas,” the motto of the conservative publication he later founded, and the phrase (translated into English) that he used in his first tweet following his arrest;

    (3) Whether in his 200 blog, he recounted being led out of his dorm room crying and screaming after being accused of call the residents of his “all-black” dorm the “N” word and then having to defended himself to a “black dean”;

    (4) whether in that blog, he mocked an “idiot midget” roommate who “smelled like shit”;

    (5) Whether a Daily Kos diarist discovered the blog in September 2009 and quoted large sections of it verbatim;

    (6) Whether the Daily Kos diarists readers also saw O’Keefe’s alleged blog;

    (7) whether O’Keefe scrubbed the blog out of embarrassment upon realizing the Kos Diarist had linked to it

    (8) whether O’Keefe used the screenname “FeatherofSteel” at a dating site;

    (9) whether last week he scrubbed his dating profile after a blogger discovered it and he realized people would make the connection to his already scrubbed Rutgers blog.

    I’ll reproduce this list and demand you respond to every single point each time you whine that there’s no “proof.

    Awesome rhetorical skills . . . Can we subscribe to your newsletter?

    No, I could never compete with your genius:

    “You’re not only a silly piece of human excrement, you think like one as well.”

    “We all need to stop making fun of Lizzie Borden because she’s just speaking Twoof to Plower!”

    [note: released from moderation. --Stashiu]

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  263. Note that the only hint of racism in that whole list of allegations is that O’Keefe was ejected from his dorm for using the N-word — yet Northeast Elizabeth pointedly omits that O’Keefe denied using the N-word.

    And (assuming it was his blog) he’s the one who talked about it.

    So if I write about a false accusation of racism against me, I get to be subject to people like Northeast Elizabeth going around repeating the accusation of racism — but failing to note that I am the one who revealed that accusation, and denied it.

    Nice “honesty” there by Northeast Elizabeth. Which leads me to suspect: Moby. Someone with genuine “concerns” would be more honest.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  264. Patterico,

    You’re a bit late to this discussion, but

    (1) I’ve repeatedly acknowledged O’Keefe’s denials of the “N” word use (those not the “indian midget” quip) in previous comments, and the possibility that he may have been framed by his roommate.

    (2) This still doesn’t explain why he scrubbed the blog right after it was reproduced on the Daily Kos (if it was his blog).

    (3) As I’ve also explained before, if it is NOT his blog, it would be fantastic ammunition against Blumenthal & Kos & Co., because it would expose a MASSIVE CONSPIRACY of fabricated evidence against O’Keefe — the created of a fake blog, fake quotes, etc.

    So please address these points and retract your disgraceful accusation regarding my honesty. And give me your opinion, as an attorney, on whether “Feathers of Steel” at http://www.libertas.blogspot.com was his blog at Rutgers.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  265. Above should read “but not the “indian midget” quip.

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  266. Lizzie,

    All you have done is make unsubstantiated allegations, various nonsensical asspulls, ridiculous assertions, and piss on our legs and then tell us it’s raining. You are a Kos moron to the nth degree.

    Here’s a lesson for you. Kos has perjured themselves as in lied. In dealing with perjury, a judge instructs the jury that if any part of the testimony given is suspect, then all of the perjurors testimony becomes suspect. Why do you keep treating any of The Daily Kos as the highest gospel?

    It’s because you have drunk the Kool-Aid and it tastes oh so good to you.

    peedoffamerican (7783d2)

  267. NE Liz, I kinda notice that your defenses of conservatives are usually extremely sarcastic. In other words, you don’t actually make an argument.

    If you’re a moby, perhaps you should just convey your real ideas and thoughts. If you’re a conservative, perhaps the reason you never make a conservative argument is because you haven’t taken much time to think about it. I’m not trying to be ugly towards you… but you’re not making a good case and a lot of your argument is ‘I promise I’m a concerned conservative who actually loves O’Keefe despite my contempt for being fair towards him.’

    Imagine if you actually found some kind of great evidence: no one would believe you now that you incinerated your credibility! You seem to be more intelligent than your arguments, and I think you can do better.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  268. NE Liz, I kinda notice that your defenses of conservatives are usually extremely sarcastic. In other words, you don’t actually make an argument.

    No, I’ve set forth nine numbered points which nobody here has yet dared to tackle.

    Don’t know if you’ve actually read any of my posts outside of this O’Keefe thread, but if you do think I’ve been “sarcastic” towards conservatives you should give a specific example, you know, “actually make an argument.”

    Northeast Elizabeth (c780a0)

  269. But Dustin,

    If we could only prove a negative, i.e. that Kos is lying about O’Keefe and a non-existent website, they will be so discredited. Like anyone but a Kool_Aid drinker doesn’t know that they are already so discredited that one more shot won’t do anymore to discredit them. Any more evidence will not stop them from more lying, or convince their Kool-Aid drinkers otherwise.

    peedoffamerican (7783d2)

  270. you know what, you’re anonymously trying to destroy the reputation of a non-anonymous person. You are insisting others do the work, insisting on unfair rules and logic, and attempting to change the subject from various proven smear attempts to a brand new and even harder to prove/disprove smear.

    You’re a really bad person. Patterico already did all the damage he’s ever going to do to Salon et al without touching your 9 points. Why don’t you use your blog to investigate your 9 points? Why don’t you put your own reputation behind your reasoning?

    We both know the answer. Shame.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  271. Lizzie,

    All of your supposed points have benn addressed, shown to be asspulls and dismissed. If Kos had any evidence whatsoever, they would have already posted screenshots or any hard evidence that they have. Since they have not, it doesn’t exist.

    peedoffamerican (7783d2)

  272. Still insisting that a non-existent blog really existed. Pitiful, just pitiful.

    I now see that someone has claimed that spot. Hmmm, lets hope that someone is not now going to try and frame O’Keefe with it.

    peedoffamerican (7783d2)

  273. give me your opinion, as an attorney, on whether “Feathers of Steel” was his blog at Rutgers.

    I respect P’s opinions because he has a history of them on the web. Being an attorney has nothing to do with it. In fact (no offense P) being an attorney is something of a negative in my eyes. What most people seem to learn in law school is how to make plausible sounding arguments in defense of stupid positions which they don’t believe in the first place.

    Subotai (a1e8f9)

  274. I’ll reproduce this list and demand you respond to every single point each time you whine that there’s no “proof.

    Why? Are you under the impression that your list of “when did you stop beating your wife” style questions constitutes some sort of “proof”?

    Subotai (a1e8f9)

  275. Damn Dustin,

    I’ve never stopped beating my wife. Never started, no reason to stop. Never been married. Never found one independent enuff to marry that wasn’t too independent too not wanna get married herself.

    peedoffamerican (7783d2)

  276. [...] know the background before watching. Briefly, lefty smear merchant Max Blumenthal dropped a hit piece on O’Keefe at Salon a few weeks ago alleging that he had helped plan some sort of white-supremacist conference [...]

    Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Breitbart goes nuclear on Salon writer at CPAC for smearing James O’Keefe as racist (e2f069)

  277. Andrew Breitbart Never Backs Down and He Really is on Fire and Here is Taking on Max Blumenthal…

    Allahpundit at Hot Air has the details and the video:

    Via Big Journalism.
    I’m kicking myself for not having covered this at the time because most
    of you won’t know the background before watching. Briefly, lefty smear
    merchant Max……

    Defend America (5815fb)


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