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10/15/2009

Inspiring Anita (Now UPDATED with More Leftist Lies!)

Filed under: Obama — DRJ @ 9:50 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Earlier this week, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn criticized Fox News as an arm of the Republican Party, so it’s not surprising the opinion hosts at Fox News are returning the scrutiny. Tonight Glenn Beck highlighted a Dunn speech (reportedly to high school students) in which she discussed “two of her favorite political philosophers” — Mother Teresa and Chinese dictator Mao Tse-Tung:

Dunn described Mother Teresa and Mao Tse-Tung as “the two people she turns to most” to make the point that every person must find their own path. In my youth, Henry David Thoreau was the hero of liberals seeking their own paths but I guess Obama and his followers are too sophisticated for the comparatively mild-mannered Thoreau. What a shame.

— DRJ

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Jake Tapper says Dunn is shrugging this off as a joke — but she quite obviously is quoting Mao seriously and favorably. When leftists are caught saying something outrageous or untrue, they often later claim it was a joke.

Oh, speaking of which: meanwhile, on Twitter, TBogg sez of this clip:

Glenn Beck admits that his favorite political philosopher is Adolf Hitler http://tinyurl.com/yl9khv5 (at 3:55) also endorses Mein Kampf.

Which is, of course, a lie.

To see what a shameless lie this is, let’s back up to 3:25. I’ll tell you when we get to 3:55, where TBogg wants you to start watching:

The most important political philosopher for her is Mao Tse-Tung. (Oh, and Mother Teresa.) The guy responsible for more deaths than any other 20th century leader is her favorite philosopher?! How can that man be your favorite anything? He killed 70 mil people. That would be like me saying to you [and now we reach 3:55, where TBogg wants you to start watching] “You know who my favorite political philosopher is? Adolf Hitler! Have you read Mein Kampf?”

TBogg will tell you this was a joke. As I said, when leftists are caught saying something outrageous or untrue, they often later claim it was a joke.

But let’s call it what it is: a straight lie.

271 Responses to “Inspiring Anita (Now UPDATED with More Leftist Lies!)”

  1. The cross in the background suggests this speech was given in a church or Catholic school???? Perhaps Georgetown Univ – they have the most liberal dweebs running that place!

    Go Phils!

    AJ Lynch (e54992)

  2. Are you serious? Chairman Mao? Even John Lennon knew this dude was not a political philosopher, but was a mass murdering monster.

    What’s the freaking point of communism if it’s not a better life for the people? Because that’s not the point of a revolution willing to kill hundreds of millions of people to concentrate power in the hands of Mao’s elite.

    Mao? Was that supposed to be impressive? The laughter sounds like it came from children. I think this woman was TEACHING kids that Mao was OK. What a terrible and unclever thing to do. There are many heroic liberals that want all the collective policies but didn’t express a justification for murdering hundreds of millions of people.

    Mao is probably the actual worst person who ever lived. No one who loves him could ever honestly swear to defend our individual liberties style constitution. No one who loves him could be trusted with power in our White House. But it seems almost as if EVERYONE in this white house is either nutty, a cheat, or a commie.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  3. Is she chewing gum while speaking, or does she just have some sort of nervous mouth twitch going on when she pauses for breath?

    Isn’t it typical of liberals to think nothing amiss about referring to someone who killed at least 30 million of his own citizens as “one of my favorite political philosophers”?

    JVW (d1215a)

  4. That Mr. Beck sure is chatty. Sensible guy though. That fascist Obama hoochie is a dirty commie. In our little White House. I think that’s all Mr. Beck really had to say.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  5. If we had a media, they’d ask the little president man his Peace Prizey thoughts on this.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  6. OK, it’s a mouth tick. I seem to recall the late William F. Buckley having a similar one.

    Will it surprise anyone that Media Matters is already downplaying this and claiming that Dunn’s words were distorted?

    JVW (d1215a)

  7. Fanatic Bill Ayers famously fantasized that he would have to kill millions of Americans who would refuse his policies. This was obviously a reference to how Mao said he was willing to let 300,000,000 people die to secure communism in his country. Ultimately, it’s impossible to know how many lives it took, but it was tens of millions, and probably closer to 100,000,000 souls.

    Mao was a very successful power grabber. And that’s what liberalism is about for some who aspire for ‘public service’. I think of cops and teachers, and they think of a massive budget and lots of connections and respect. There’s all these inconvenient things that get in the way… people believing in God and quaint rights based on 18th century revolution; people running their small businesses better than bureaucrats will ever run their bloated slow ugly orgs; people speaking out and panicking when they resent their government’s power; people having tremendous personal ambition.

    What’s the remedy to those obstacles? CRISIS. You need a huge crisis. That’s how Mao did it, and that’s what these people mean when they consider his political philosophy. Anyone referencing this man’s political philosophy favorably is attempting to build a very powerful ruling class at the expense of humanity.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  8. Media Matters and Bill Clinton is Relevant. Both equally true.

    But, yeah, I read that Frederick Douglass book. I recommend it. Why didn’t Beck suggest the Federalist Papers?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  9. happyfeet, I initially was very hesitant to watch Beck because I really can’t stand O’Reilly or Hannity. There’s something deeply insincere about both, and Hannity is just plain unintelligent.

    But Beck, for all his hookey goofy manner, is great TV. He wears his heart on his sleeve and I roll my eyes at him, but Fox is a lot better for having him on, and I hope he’s able to persist.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  10. JVW, as much context as Beck gave for this speech, it’s outright impossible to claim this is a distortion or a joke or a smear. This woman praises and follows Mao’s ideals. She endorses others to do the same. Of course the left will have to give some kind of defense, but they have no real argument.

    It’s like those false Rush quotes. I know they need some kind of rationale, but they are basically admitting the guy is clean when they have to stretch it like that.

    I am very curious is Obama will keep this liability. He’s had so many losses to the right. He can’t seriously just keep firing everyone, can he? at some point he has to try to ride it out. But if Tom Daschle isn’t big enough to survive, Anita ‘Done’ isn’t.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  11. I don’t have anything against him other than I think cable news is sort of a hokey concept. Its time came and went I think.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  12. The far left nuttery come out of this administration’s higher ups surprises even me. At this rate we’ll probably have a video of one of Obama’s undersecretaries or czars claiming the Moussad warned fellow Isrealis in New York about the 911 attacks in advance. In fact, I’m almost inclined to start a betting pool on when (not if) the video circulates. I say by November 30, 2011.

    Sean P (50f5d9)

  13. I’m with you Dustin. Media Matters apparently is willing to gloss over the phrase “my favorite political philosopher.” They are also trying to draw a parallel between Karl Rove or GWB or some other Republican once recommending a biography of Mao as a good read to Anita Dunn’s endorsement of him as a political philosopher. It is bizzarro world with them.

    JVW (d1215a)

  14. The thing to do, in a little country what had a media, would be to make the little president man own the commie hoochie’s lie about how she was joking. Ask the little president man if he thought it was a fun and appropriate joke for high school kids. That’s what a media would do, if we had one in our little country.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  15. “You fight your war and I’ll fight mine” are not profound words what you need to stop and think about. They’re just not. The commie hoochie is making a straightforward assertion that Mao’s murderous little commie war is analogous to whatever context of political or social disagreement you have at hand. She’s a debased dirty socialist whore what is blatantly grinding her dirty socialist snatch in the face of school kids. It’s that simple. You don’t have to stop and think about it.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  16. JVW – I found the little datrings-out of her tongue visually-distracting …

    Ironic, isn’t it, in light of TV bringing back the TV show – V ! Isn’t that tongue-dart one of the characteristics of the aliens in that show ?

    Alasdair (205079)

  17. Alasdair, it is distracting, but I kind of feel bad about mentioning it since I assume it is something that isn’t easily controlled (if at all). I did at first think she was chewing gum, which would be just the sort of thing a self-centered Obamabot would disrespectfully do while speaking at a religious school.

    JVW (d1215a)

  18. Mao believed “that every person must find their own path”?

    Yeah. That’s why every Chinese citizen was required to carry a copy of his little red book.

    Isn’t a communications director supposed to be a good liar?

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  19. I think she meant every Obama needs to find their own path.

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  20. She didn’t mean that everyone needs to find the path to Obama?

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  21. Isn’t that a shining path?

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  22. Sure, the path is shining. It’s paved with taxpayer gold, isn’t it?

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  23. Mao’s shining path is paved with blood. The shine is a reflection.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  24. Maybe Anita was coked-up while talking to the high-schoolers,,that certainly looked liked ratchet jaw to me.
    or it coulda been lying commie dry mouth.
    Our country is NOT in the best of hands

    firefirefire (81ecb9)

  25. With that chopped hair and those glasses, it’s obvious she’s a commie. She looks like a commie. And besides, I was in that fat woman’s office a few years back because she wanted to give me a job. I couldn’t take the stench of her body odor so I turned her down.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  26. Beck was awesome yesterday afternoon. His point of comparison with Hitler was that Hitler only killed 7 million whereas Mao killed 70 million and this woman looks to Mao for inspiration when needed. We all should be concerned that there are so many avowed communists as Czars or Cabinet members.

    krusher (6f6e76)

  27. TBogg is a brazen liar. Period. Full stop. He gives sleezy underwear salesmen a bad name.

    Anita Dunn appears to be the next sacrificial lamb to be thrown under the back of the bus in service of Teh One.

    JD (2d6d20)

  28. Isn’t that a shining path?

    I originally read that as “Golden Path”, and wondered what the God Emperor had to do with this…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  29. Great riffs above on her politics, tho I do feel a bit sorry for her tic or whatever it is.

    Isn’t it typical of liberals to think nothing amiss about referring to someone who killed at least 30 million of his own citizens as “one of my favorite political philosophers”?

    Comment by JVW — 10/15/2009 @ 10:09 pm

    Given both their longstanding support for 60 million worldwide abortions annually, not to mention the desire to get themselves positioned for absolute power over literally the very lives (via health care) of every American citizen, why yes. Yes, it is.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  30. “When leftists are caught saying something outrageous or untrue, they often later claim it was a joke.”

    You mean like what Rush Limbaugh does?

    JEA (53fe4f)

  31. Cite me three examples.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  32. You leftists really hate Rush, don’t you, JEA?

    JD (b63e69)

  33. JEA, with the Anita Dunn thing, it’s not at all similar. Anita was clearly not joking. Anyone who pretends she was is a particularly dishonest person.

    With T-Bogg, while he realizes that Anita was not joking, his style -of attempting to point out how absurd it would be to take Anita at her word by pointing out that Beck was joking about something- is similar to a common thing Rush and many other people do by illustrating absurdity. Only, T-Bogg knows it’s not absurd at all that Anita is inspired by Mao… The premise, that Beck and Anita were both joking, is untrue. But the reasoning would otherwise be rock solid.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  34. Of course, if your defense is that Obama’s White House is acting at the same level as the level the left claims Rush acts at… a level the left claims is inexcusable, then I welcome your condemnation.

    I do not understand how this moral equivalency thing should work… seems like the left is the hypocrite this time.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  35. I think the left is on to something. This “it was just a joke” stuff is powerful, man. Seriously, check it out.

    “You’re mad at me for screwing your wife? Dude, it was just a joke.”

    “About those two buildings we flew airplanes into? Get over it man, that was just a joke!”

    “What if we destroyed or eradicated 3 million jobs and spent $1 trillion of your money doing it? That was just a joke!”

    “Hillary, I wasn’t having oral sex with an intern in the Oval Office. That was a joke. What, the stuff on her dress? Damn are you slow. That’s the punchline!”

    and soon coming to a DMV Medical Center near you:

    “You thought we said the Death Panels were a like? LOL! That was just a joke. Now take this pill. Our economist says you have to die now.”

    HatlessHessian (cca288)

  36. JEA no doubt has the tapes of Rush saying those things that the lefties are alleging. Right, JEA ? You’ve got the evidence ?

    Right ?

    You wouldn’t be lying now, would you JEA ?

    Would you ?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  37. It reminds me of John McCains infamous “Bomb bomb bomb Iran” song. Which we all know was a joke. Right? I think it’s possible she did not know who Mao Tse-Tung was. Not everyone is that well read. So which is better, the shame of admitting she didn’t know who she was talking about or the scandal of being associated with a mass murderer? Hmmm..which one, which one…..?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  38. Sort of like joking about rape, right? And joking about what the Bible says? And, of course, joking about bringing civility and fairness to this or any other comments section?

    Well, there is a joke around here. But you aren’t telling it.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  39. Democrats revering Mao? It’s not unusual. One local NEA Teacher Union Thug locally was in charge of posting inspirational thoughts in the local High School’s cafeteria. She quoted MAO!!! I called her on it. The Assistant Principal said the quote would be pulled. That was before Thanksgiving of that year. In February of the next calendar year I went before the school board with the AP’s letter in hand demanding to know why the quote was still up, didn’t the teachers, administration, and school board realize that MAO murdered thousands of teachers in China, and why they all were lying about not indoctrinating the children into far left wing Democrat nostrums.

    The AP put up a quote by MLK to balance the MAO quote. Evidently it hurt too much to have even a centrist American quote.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  40. Honestly, I think what these characters do is dissect out different aspects of a controversial person. This particular lady was trying to give an example of never giving up.

    Mao is not a good example of this, since the cost of not giving up was borne by, um, a large number of people rendered dead.

    I’m much more impressed by, say, some of the Wheelchair Olympics competitors. But it isn’t as edgy as claiming that Mao is a hero.

    It’s like these people who try to revere Che Guevera. They usually know nothing about him, other than he was a revolutionary against nasty old right wing people. Because there is nothing worse than that.

    Or so we teach children.

    I still don’t know why it is cool to think that Mao was a wonderful example of perseverance. It’s sort of like admiring Hitler for being a vegetarian: beside the point.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  41. Regarding Dunn’s mouth movements:Sometimes people who have been on Major Tranquilizers and similar drugs develop involuntary mouth movements and other muscle movement effects.(usually irreversible).It’s called ‘tardive dyskinesia’. Just a possibility.

    Dr Carlo Lombardi (729021)

  42. Lovie/chimperor – Your asspulls are funny, to be sure. The idea that she does not know who Mao is, when she is being quoted saying Mao is one of her favorite political philosophers is laughable.

    tJD (b9a8a2)

  43. tJD—it’s yet more projection. Perhaps this individual herself doesn’t know all kinds of things.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  44. Glenn Beck kinda jumped the shark for me when he couldn’t spell “Oligarchy

    Which, ironically, he later claimed was a joke.

    carlitos (831ee5)

  45. this just in from Media matters:

    Glenn Beck praises essay advocating cannibalism!

    > Today on his show Glenn Beck sung the praises of Jonathan Swift. In particular he cited the essay “A Modest Proposal.” Our crack researchers found the essay and discovered that it was a treatise advocating the murder and cannibalism of irish children! We call on Fox news to fire this radical right wing advocate of ethnic murder and cannibalism!

    Can someone explain something to me? okay, on one hand most stand up comedians are liberals. on the other hand, apparently liberals have absolutely no understanding of humor. So who are all these people finding these liberal comedians so funny?

    A.W. (b1db52)

  46. I originally read that as “Golden Path”, and wondered what the God Emperor had to do with this…

    Perhaps Eric was referring to Peru’s notorious “Shining Path” communist guerillas, who wantonly murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents in their bloodthirsty drive for absolute power.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  47. Your asspulls are funny, to be sure.

    I’d be careful using the term “asspulls” with this idiot – she might get all hot and bothered again.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  48. The Empty Roar

    > It reminds me of John McCains infamous “Bomb bomb bomb Iran” song. Which we all know was a joke. Right?

    Well, not just a joke. We all understood it to be his joking way of saying he would be tough on iran, and favor bombing if necessary.

    > I think it’s possible she did not know who Mao Tse-Tung was. Not everyone is that well read.

    I don’t typically claim to admire people I don’t know much about. And you really don’t have to be very well read to at least start to understand that it is problematic to be praising him. crack open an encyclopedia and the first words are likely to be something like “leader of the communist revolution in china” or “dictator of china for many years.” Maybe she wouldn’t have known about all the millions of people he killed without being “well read” but it should at least be a warning sign.

    > So which is better, the shame of admitting she didn’t know who she was talking about or the scandal of being associated with a mass murderer? Hmmm..which one, which one…..?

    Well, of course YOU would think that is a difficult choice to make. You have confessed to getting stimulated by descriptions of child rape.

    Anyway, if she is really that stupid, she not only shouldn’t be in a position of power, we should question whether she should be allowed around sharp objects.

    And your excuses for her… Well to quote South Park, you are the record.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  49. Dmac, last I heard, those “Shining Path” terrorists call themselves “Maoist.” So Mao is their here, too!

    We only wish that Frank Herbert’s stuff was going on. RIP. But come to think of it, sandworm-human hybrids who can see the future could be as bad as Mao.

    And Mu’ad Dib’s jihad seems like it killed more people than Mao managed.

    Oh well. SF isn’t always pretty.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  50. Would lovey explode if it couldn’t communicate any lie?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  51. I’m mad at Jake Tapper for not pushing back against her “it was a joke” excuse.
    The first part could have been tongue in cheek, but quoting him approvingly was not. How appalling.

    MayBee (34a54a)

  52. To paraphrase JD, it is a disguting, vile, enormous postule on the face of humanity.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  53. Anita Dunn was right. Fox News is indeed a Republican attack dog. They are just proving the point. Nice work.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  54. Wow, emperor’s dissembling and explaining is even more obtuse and reaching than usual.

    What, sire, did a new memo from Axelrod cause you to become even more desperate?

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  55. ^Would lovey explode if it couldn’t communicate any lie?

    By definition, it lies with every utterance.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  56. The more obtuse it becomes, the more it reminds me of Alphie – sniggles – parsnip – Neville Chamberlain.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  57. Well, some people think they are attack dogs. I wonder what breed would best fit?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  58. “Democrats revering Mao? It’s not unusual. One local NEA Teacher Union Thug locally was in charge of posting inspirational thoughts in the local High School’s cafeteria. She quoted MAO!!!”

    So, you’ve got one instance of it, yet you’re labeling all libs as Maoists. Just like like the left labels all conservatives as racists, even though they’re not.

    Hyperbole, not unlike the ‘we are all Limbaugh” nonsense I read on redstate.

    JEA (53fe4f)

  59. My apologies – I should have said: even though the vast majority arenot.

    JEA (53fe4f)

  60. She obviously meant that as a joke, seeing how the audience laughed when she said it. But I see how you folks are so desperate to get back at her for stating what everyone knows is a fact. Fox News is an arm of the Republican party. That is a fact that has not changed. Nor ever will. But keep digging. You will surely find something-gasp-most incriminating and damaging. It’s always out there.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  61. If she was joking, she could have said, “Even though he was a reprehensible murdering tyrant, he achieved his aims and we can learn from that.” She didn’t say that.

    This, to me, is even scarier. It’s Anita’s words transformed into action: WH and your TV

    Patricia (c95a48)

  62. MayBee – Tapper is usually better than that. Sad.

    BJ – This is is full on schizo, and gets stimulated by reading transcripts of child assrape testimony.

    JD (a6c61b)

  63. JEA, obviously you can not grasp more than a bumper sticker’s worth of information at a time. Take some special ed classes until you can integrate into adult conversation.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  64. Dmac, If lovey couldn’t spew lies to relieve the pressure within itself, would it explode or just die quietly?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  65. “Vanilla sex”? Oh, he was just joking.

    “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire”? Empress was just joking. Y’know, making fun of those other people who do believe what she only jokingly said.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  66. pustule…as in pus

    [spelling repair provided by a spelling non-agnostic who remains blithely non-attitudinal about it, and who maintains a refreshing grammar neutrality for the compensatory effect relative to his chronic spelling persnickitus and the annoying tendency to coin new words when old ones take too much effort to recall]

    political agnostic (3a617e)

  67. Comment by JD — 10/16/2009 @ 9:06 am

    JD, I get stimulated from reading graphic descriptions of the sexual sort. That I am very proud to wear as a badge of honor. You on the other hand are impotent and incapable of sexual arousal. You can be sure that I am going to be praying over this condition of yours buddy. Don’t lose hope.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  68. Anita Dunn was right. Fox News is indeed a Republican attack dog. They are just proving the point. Nice work. — Empress

    Ipse, meet dixit.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  69. You really are a disgusting little lying perv, aren’t you?

    JD (a6c61b)

  70. And here comes the bizarre claims to religion, again!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  71. Comment by JD — 10/16/2009 @ 9:25 am

    Anger and bitterness does’t help people with your problem, jd. Love, jd. Love conquers all.
    Still praying for you buddy. “The dry bones shall erect again…” Or something like that.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  72. I think lovey fantasizes about assraping people here.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  73. I am neither angry or bitter. I pity you. And I don’t want your filthy prayers. You should focus inward. Now, please continue lying and smearing. It paints a better picture of you, one that is not at all attractive.

    JD (a6c61b)

  74. Jumped in here at the end to see what JD was saying…and it’s a response to Empty Roar…
    No need to read the whole thing, and now I have all of this free time. Thanks ER!

    AD - RtR/OS! (086c92)

  75. That Dunn looks up to Mao is literally a feature, not a bug. It would have only been surprising had she not admired Mao.

    JD (a6c61b)

  76. lying and smearing
    Where did I lie and who did I smear, jd? Care to point that out? If anything you and your gang have been doing most of the lying and smearing here. Now about that problem. I know a doctor…..

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  77. Hey, JD. PoP goes the troll!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  78. The Empty Roar

    > Fox News is an arm of the Republican party.

    Okay, which network, prey tell, put out fake memos in order to influence an election?

    Which newspaper ran a bogus missing explosives in Iraq story before the 2004 election?

    Which networks reported on the scandal surrounding Van Jones that ultimately led him to resign?

    Which networks reported on the scandal regarding ACORN which ultimately led to a bi partisan effort to defund it?

    Say what you will about fox, but fox doesn’t bury stories damaging to one side, or make crap up out of thin air.

    Really, only a far left loon thinks that Fox is biased and none of the other networks are.

    > You [JD] on the other hand are impotent and incapable of sexual arousal.

    Being impotent when reading about a rape of a child is not exactly a bad thing, you know?

    Some people have too much compassion for the little girl to think at all about how much fun Polanski is having. It’s a sign of care and character. And in fact it is about love, too, Christian love for the victim, instead of the depraved selfish eroticism of her assailant and any creep who in reading a victim’s account of a rape cannot help but imagine what it is like to be her rapist.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  79. How do you suggest I prove you are lying? Your claims of my sexual inadequacies shows how freaking juvenile you are, and are especially ironic when you have talked of getting off to childassrape.

    JD (59882e)

  80. Lovey makes sexually explicit personal attacks, uses some of the most vulgar terminology, swears like a drunken sailor in a foreign port, gets chills of excitement reading about a 13-year-old getting raped, defends the man who raped that 13-year-old, makes lieing claims about what the Bible says, and tries to pass itself off as some sort of Christian. Sometimes all in one comment.

    And Lovey still has posting privileges here? Someone’s exceedingly generous and it ain’t Lovey.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  81. Couple the above with your lie/smear/innuendo that I abuse children, and people well see who/what you are.

    Now, that Dunn lady is truly inspiring. She better stay away from bus stops.

    JD (59882e)

  82. Let’s not fight, JD.

    Comment by A.W. — 10/16/2009 @ 9:52 am

    Stay within the borders of truth, A.W. Ok? You know exactly what I meant when I talked about the details being disturbing. I am not even going to try to defend myself or explain my comment any further. But know that when you lie about someone’s words, you will pay a price. You are turning into a liar, my friend.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  83. Let’s not fight, JD.

    As in what Roberto Duran said to Sugar Ray Leonard.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  84. Which network used forged documents on a hit piece against the President of the United States?

    Michael Ejercito (6a1582)

  85. Anita’s tongue dart and smacking are classic side affects from long term use of haldol or thorzine. Spend 5 minutes in a psych ward and you could recongnise it anywhere. The question is why would the WH hire someone on antipsychotics as a communiations director?

    melintexas (3e0e25)

  86. I will be happy to not fight with you, lovie/chimperor. Simply apologize for insinuating that I abuse children, apologize for the juvenile sexual insults, quit getting aroused when reading transcripts about childassrape, and quit apologizing for childassrapists.

    Good call, Mr Hitchcock. Lovie went all Roberto Duran “no mas, no mas” on me. LOL

    JD (59882e)

  87. The Empty Roar

    > Stay within the borders of truth, A.W. Ok?

    Name one false part of what I said. You are reading where a 13 year old describes being raped and you say you find it stimulating. What part of that isn’t true?

    > You know exactly what I meant

    That you can’t stop thinking with your d—k long enough to have compassion for the girl even as she describes what she saw and felt? Yes.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  88. If lovey couldn’t spew lies to relieve the pressure within itself, would it explode or just die quietly?

    Neither – it would slowly evolve and transmorgify into a giant Borg of perverted filth, then it would eventually die from it’s aggressive colonization efforts to accrue innocent children it wishes to assrape.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  89. Let’s send The Emperor to the Land of the Banned right now. That’s enough.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  90. This Anita Dunn hoochie should stop pimping commie ideology to America’s kids and the little president man should fire her spastic dirty socialist ass no matter how much he agrees with her I think. That way we could all have closure.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  91. Simply apologize for insinuating that I abuse children

    That is preposterous, jd. Where did I remotely insinuate that? Point it out and I will promptly apologize.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  92. With respect to that McCain story, there was a huge uproar when Reagan made a joke about bombing the Soviet Union when he was testing a microphone before a speech. It turns out, years later, that that was a planned exercise to needle the USSR which had just been using Carter as their punk for four years. It apparently worked and there was a flurry of Russian worry for a while. I suspect McCain was doing the same thing. Obama has a different policy. Fellating Ahmadinejad is not as effective.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  93. Notice how lovie/chimperor disappeared after being called out, and has reverted to putting up Bible quotes in another thread. Coward.

    No mas, no mas.

    JD (59882e)

  94. That is the stupidest, made uppest attack on anyone ever, Emperor.

    MayBee (34a54a)

  95. Official

    No, no. don’t ban him. I’ll say it again: every minute he is here is one more minute from hanging out at the jr. high watching the cheerleaders. we are performing a public service here, people.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  96. That is preposterous, jd. Where did I remotely insinuate that?
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 10:36 am

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Right?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  97. Lovie/chimperor – I believe it was comment #169 in the other thread. I commented on it at the time, as did others. Quit lying.

    JD (59882e)

  98. Now Beck made a good point at the end,after he aired that segment, isn’t there anybody in the administration who praises George Washington, who was as beleaguered as Mao was in 1927, at Valley Forge, or Frederick Douglas, or Lincoln, why do they have to chose Mao or Castro or Che,for the
    love of pete, as he would say

    bishop (4e0dda)

  99. Comment by JD — 10/16/2009 @ 10:45 am

    Which thread are you referring to? Name it. As you know there are several on this very successful blog. What is the title of the thread?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  100. Which thread are you referring to? Name it.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 10:55 am

    But… smoke! Has to be fire, right? It’s smoke! You obviously haven’t done enough to counter this if it’s not true.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  101. Here is the comment where our resident liar, The Emperor, insinuated that JD abused children.

    Here is a link to a promise for an apology if it were shown that The Emperor insinuated that JD abused children.

    I suggest that JD use this link to post himself, so that our resident Clintonian word-twister, The Emperor, cannot claim that since JD himself did not point it out, no apology was necessary.

    no one you know (7a9144)

  102. I am loving you more, noyk! And that’s no lie.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  103. I am on my BlackBerry, so searching, copying, and pasting into a browser is a royal pain in the lovie. I would be eternally grateful for one of the honest people to direct lovie towards the comment he/she/it made about me hurting/abusing children.

    JD (e44a47)

  104. NYOK

    I forgot that one. it kind of puts his bit about being stimulated when ready about Roman Polanski raping a little girl into perspective, doesn’t it?

    That is serious projection, i tell you what.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  105. Sure noyk, spoil my amusement. 😉 (nice work though, I wasn’t going to bother)

    I suggest everyone just mock and scorn lovey, or just ignore those comments. Do not try to reason with someone who does not use reason. Lovey has been proven a liar and a pervert with a filthy mouth and worse attitude. Making people angry is the only thing lovey is here for.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  106. Thank you, noyk.

    JD (e44a47)

  107. This comment?
    jd is an amoral twit worthy of being put in a straight jacket and locked away from hurting minors.

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/12/2009 @ 3:52 pm
    Well it was me responding to this:
    Chimperor/lovie is an amoral twit worthy of nothing but mockery and scorn.

    Comment by JD — 10/12/2009 @ 3:24 pm
    It’s good to know jd has feelings. Maybe he should think of that before he says something hurtful to another commenter. In any case I apologize for that comment. I meant none of it. JD is cool. And it’s ok if you don’t apologize for your insults. My apology still stands.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  108. I suggest we put the Dog Turd in a doggie bag and put it in a landfill where dog turds belong.

    Or, we strap lovie to a chair and force him to watch American Carol over and over again until it think it is being slapped by Bill O’Reilly.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  109. I loved the comment denying saying truly disgusting about JD, being shown that s/he did so, and then half-apologizing while spreading blame like manure.

    “…You are turning into a liar, my friend….”

    Again, do you see why I call you the Prince/ss of Projection?

    I’ll give you a pass on this whole gender thing. Not that I believe your statements, given your general record of truthfulness and dare I say, civility.

    You just were shown to be a liar, and you still call others liars?

    Something tells me we haven’t heard the last disgusting and dishonest comment from this trollbot.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  110. The Empty Roar

    So… JD called you amoral. You went on to talk about how you are turned on by the rape of a 13 year old girl and how it is not rape unless a woman screams and fights.

    In other words, you proved him right.

    Well, okay, technically you are IMMORAL, not amoral, but close enough.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  111. NOYK, re: #104.

    See what I mean about creepiness?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  112. #100 Bishop. I agree. I had a nice talk with my daughter about it (she hates Beck – at least his yelling/crying/whinning). But she understood that importance as well. It’s not like there aren’t plenty of good examples of good examples. Like G Washington, A Lincoln, ML King, R Parks. Nice that she chose Mother Teresa too.

    (BTW, my daughter nearly gagged everytime Anita stuck her tongue out. Curious tic, that.)

    Corwin (ea9428)

  113. That was about as much as one could hope from from an amoral twit what apologizes for child assrapists and is stimulated by the victim’s transcripts of said child assrape.

    JD (e44a47)

  114. Scratch a leftist, find the gibbering fascist underneath.

    N. O'Brain (5deb6d)

  115. Chairman Mao was just the little engine that could, you know?

    MayBee (34a54a)

  116. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 11:27 am

    Am on Shun (chose that word carefully) setting for direct conversation with this person so am glad am not forced to respond to that. That he’s still attempting ingratiation is baffling, however. Does he think I can’t read his comments to others?

    Perhaps he thinks I don’t care about how others are treated (others including but not limited to 13 year old girls), only how I am treated. (Projection, perhaps – can’t be sure.) I only know that he is very much mistaken about that.

    no one you know (7a9144)

  117. Noyk – You have more class, honesty, and dignity in your pinky-finger than that sniveling coward has in its entire existence.

    JD (f304a1)

  118. MayBee – At about 40,000,000 killed, Mao ran into some hard times, but with a little perseverence, hard work, and stick-to-it-iveness, he has able to push on through that rough patch, and go on to kill tens of millions more.

    JD (f304a1)

  119. I saw that last night, and as Beck was in the middle of comparing it to the outrage that would follow if he said Hitler was the political philosopher he admired most, I thought two things:

    (1) Some lying liberal will clip what he said to make it look like Beck was actually endorsing Hitler. Then immediately afterward I thought ..

    (2) Nah. No one would be that stupid.

    (Sigh)

    Jim Lakely (0e078d)

  120. That was about as much as one could hope from from an amoral twit what apologizes for child assrapists and is stimulated by the victim’s transcripts of said child assrape.

    Comment by JD — 10/16/2009 @ 11:33 am

    What more do you suggest I do? I want to know.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  121. Well, okay, technically you are IMMORAL, not amoral, but close enough.

    Comment by A.W. — 10/16/2009 @ 11:26 am

    Thanks for the clarification, A.W.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  122. 122, commit seppiku?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  123. I would just like to see you quit playing wordgames about childassrape, quit apologizing for childassrapists, and quit trying to advance the “argument” that this was anything other than forcible rape rape rape rape. But, you have not shown any evidence of the basic morality required to do so.

    JD (f304a1)

  124. Jim

    lol

    but to be fair, the problem isn’t the intelligence of the person making the accusation, but the person who believes it.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  125. Lovie/chimperor will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Idiocy because he/she/it has demonstrated an unlimited capacity for same, and shows every intention of maintaining its idiocy into the foreseeable future. Much like Barcky’s Nobel Prize for TOTUS Reading.

    JD (f304a1)

  126. nd is stimulated by the victim’s transcripts of said child assrape.

    Comment by JD — 10/16/2009 @ 11:33 am
    Let me clarify this again. I am sexually active and virile. I have a great sexual life. I am healthy and normal. I find sexual content of the straight type very stimulating. When I read the victim’s testimony, I felt it was too graphic and provoking. Absent the fact that this was the testimony of an unfortunate 13 year old, being abused by a man three times her age, the content was sexually offensive. I am not stimulated by the idea of sex with minors. I only felt that we should have been spared the lurid details. And yes. I have a right to express my feelings. So there it is. I have no apologies for being honest. Maybe some of us here should try that. I say it as it is. That’s the trademark of The Emperor.

    The Emperor who is sexually virile, (0c8c2c)

  127. 128, Lying Obama-dung!

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  128. jd, I can see you have no interest in my apology. You are more interested in making obscene statements and having your little crowd cheer you on. Carry on. As long as it helps you, you know, get it on. It’s all good.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  129. I truly did not want to hear about her sex life.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  130. @129
    Failure!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  131. Do not want! Do not want!

    MayBee (34a54a)

  132. Ewwwwwwwwwww

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    JD (cc1fc4)

  133. The Empty Roar

    > Let me clarify this again. I am sexually active and virile.

    Mmm-hmm. You know when a person brags on the internet about their studliness, I presume the reality is the opposite of their self-description. I call it the rule of internet opposites.

    > I am healthy and normal.

    Yeah, same problem. Rule of internet opposites.

    > I am not stimulated by the idea of sex with minors.

    No, you are just stimulated by real life accounts of sex with minors. Which seems like kind of a fine distinction.

    > I have a right to express my feelings.

    Oh please do express them. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that. Of course to modify Lincoln’s admonition, it is better to be silent and be thought a perv than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    But by all means keep talking.

    In fact keep talking. Don’t think about going down to the Jr. High School and trying to sneak into the girl’s locker room. No. Stay at your computer, in your parents’ basement and keep talking about how normal you are.

    (see what I mean? We are a public service!)

    A.W. (b1db52)

  134. TMI
    TMI
    TMI
    TMI
    TMI

    JD (cc1fc4)

  135. Beck
    “I wish I were the president, just for the 747 and the cabinet I could assemble. I would have the best minds that I could find with a special eye out for those people who would vehemently disagree with each other. I’d let them argue it out and just listen. Well, I’m not the president so the jet doesn’t take off when I tell it to and I can’t hire great minds to argue.

    So, I did the next best thing, I drove to the bookstore. Here is who I put on my “book cabinet”: I got Alan Dershowitz. He’s opinionated, obnoxious and at times-when he’s not talking about the OJ Simpson case-he makes a good point. Let’s see, let’s put him in a room with… Adolf Hitler. I’d love to see those guys go at it. So next: Hitler’s Mein Kampf. The something by Pope John Paul, along with Carl Sagan. I looked really hard, who else would I like to see in a room together? Hey, how about Nietzsche and Billy Graham? Yeah!”

    “Despite the meltdown of his near-bankrupt campaign, McCain showed no outward signs of despair–not even when one reporter impishly asked him whether we have a better chance of winning in Iraq than he does at winning the nomination. I braced for a flash of McCain’s famous temper, but instead he just chuckled. “In the words of Chairman Mao, it’s always darkest before it’s black,” McCain cracked.

    “In his recent book, How to Win an Election, Stephen C. Shadegg cites a statement attributed to Mao Tse-tung: “Give me just two or three men in a village and I will take the village.” Shadegg comments: ” In the Goldwater campaigns of 1952 and 1958 and in all other campaigns where I have served as consultant I have followed the advice of Mao Tse-tung.” “I would suggest,” writes senator Goldwater in Why Not Victory? “that we analyze and copy the strategy of the enemy; theirs has worked and ours has not. (Harper’s Magazine, November 1964)”

    really bored again (2aac63)

  136. So to be clear, the truth according to lovey:

    Lurid details of the rape of a minor are bad. Letting bygones be bygones in regards to the punishment of the actual rapist is good.

    Getting “stimulated” from the details is normal. Not being stimulated by them means you’re impotent and abnormal.

    Sounds like a pedophile’s rationalization to me. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Or so I’ve been told.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  137. Comment by really bored again — 10/16/2009 @ 1:22 pm

    You have to bore everyone else while you’re at it? You win the internet. Go celebrate.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  138. “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Sorry, Emperor, but Stashiu3 has got a point. You created an impossible standard for your political adversary, Rush, and have created a totally different and impossible-to-fail standard for yourself.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  139. Really boring again – I would submit that Glen Beck is unfit to serve in any administration, but would be welcomed in the current one.

    JD (cc1fc4)

  140. really bored,

    It’s not the same thing to call Mao your favorite genius inspiration, as many in our White House seem to, and to say that Mao is a great threat and we should carefully study him to better defeat that type of evil here and abroad.

    I mean, that can’t really be the democrats’ argument, can it?

    Compare how Obama (and his branch of government) treats Rush or Fox News to how he treats Rev Wright, Mao, Ayers, Ahmedinejad, the motherf–king Taliban etc. Now compare how Senator Mccain treats Obama or Reid to how he treats the Taliban, or the VC. There is a fundamental difference in how the White House treats our nation and humanity’s real enemies to how it treats its loyal political competitors.

    It’s not OK to praise Mao, and it’s not OK for the White House to tell us they are interested in emulating him. that’s a serious thing.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  141. And again with the projection:

    “…You are more interested in making obscene statements and having your little crowd cheer you on…”

    The first part sounds pretty much like you have been acting. Hence the projection. The second sounds like you are jealous of people having friends. Which, based on your actions here, is unsurprising.

    Not that it matters. You have made your views abundantly clear, and your lies (now you say you weren’t aroused by the rape testimony, while anyone can go look at what you originally wrote) even clearer.

    It’s all games to you. Or you are literally unaware of what you have written in the past 24 hours or so. Maybe both.

    The problem is that you have shown that all you have to offer here is juvenile insults, profanity, and bizarre self-aggrandizement.

    But you seem to get joy out of it. Which is pretty darned strange.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  142. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 1:41 pm

    Oh shut up, Eric! When you lose an argument, you quit and move on to something else. I know what I said and I have not tried to change it. You are trying to project your own moral failings on me. I have not equivocated on my point. Read the comment in that thread and compare it with this last comment. That you are such an insidiously disingenuous person is becoming clearer with each comment. Here is an advice, pretend I am not here. Read the post on the thread and make your response. But that is going to be very difficult for you.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  143. Shorter lovey: “Shut up because I’m tired of getting my butt kicked.”

    Nothing new there.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  144. Emperor, but you did say that where there’s smoke there’s fire, so there’s got to be something you did to invite all this criticism, and you are, to some level, at fault, just because you’re being criticized.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  145. From today’s “Best of the Web Today” WSJ.com, Robert Reich responds to negative reactions to his speech about the truths of universal coverage:
    Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Rush, and the right-wing blogosphere seem interested in a talk I gave in September, 2007 to students in a political science class here at Berkeley, in which I played the role of a presidential candidate so politically incorrect and tone-deaf as to pummel every sacred cow in sight–including the notion that our society could afford and would continue forever to pay whatever amount of money was required to keep everyone alive forever. The whole point of the mock exercise was to show that presidential candidates can’t state what everyone knows to be the truth because they’ll be taken apart by the Right or the Left. I slew many other sacred cows in that mock exercise, some of which are held dearly by the Left. Nonetheless, two years later the Right has exhumed the lecture and taken my words completely out of context purportedly to show that Obama and the Democrats plan death panels.
    If their desperation weren’t so pathetic it would be funny. After all, they have proven the whole point of my lecture. UC Berkeley maintains an archive of webcasts and my speech is available there verbatim, should you wish to listen to it in its entirety.

    Would it have been faster for him to say “it was a joke!”?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704322004574477342864992048.html

    Roger (dfa727)

  146. Empty Roarer – How about this; instead of us pretending you are not here, why don’t you leave.
    We really do not need a pedophile supporting dimwit who can not argue his way out of a paper bag polluting the comments section of this blog.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  147. “Mao and Mother Theresa”
    Right, a danger to the republic.
    I’d take you all so much more seriously if you took responsibility for your own mistakes. But everything is politics to you and the democrats and “leftists” are more dangerous than bin Laden, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Russia the economy and whatever else. And whatever policies you’ve defended are blameless.
    So the deficit began with Obama not with Bush. The mess in Afghanistan began with Obama, not with Bush, who blew it! The invasion of Iraq was stupid.

    Obama just put another schmuck from Goldman at the SEC. What a leftist! Just like Larry Summers! They’re all lazy corrupt idiots but not leftists. Meanwhile Scandinavia is digging out of the hole we dug, and so is China; China that centralized capitalist monstrosity whose leadership knew the value of massive…
    Stimulus!!!

    And the democrats are still scared of you. It’s just sad.

    really bored again (2aac63)

  148. The little president man’s “stimulus” is only set to kick in for the run-up to the 2010 elections. He raped our little treasury for partisan gain. He’s a very sick and deluded dirty socialist tool.

    Bush never conceived of running an immeasurable dollar-crashing deficit like the little president man has contrived. Bush loves America.

    The little president man? Not so much.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  149. oh. *viciously* raped our little treasury I mean…

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  150. Really really boring always is arguing with the voices in its head again. Pity.

    JD (dda3fa)

  151. Really Bored,

    This doesn’t have anything to do with Mother Teresa, except that democrats are so insane they think those two are somehow comparable, aside from being celebrities.

    Mao is absolutely and obviously a historical threat to the republic and humanity.

    You claim that it’s the right that is saying its political enemies in the dem party are more dangerous than our national enemies abroad, but that’s just plain a lie. Did you read my argument? The GOP’s last nominee clearly treated democrats much more respectfully than he would treat the Taliban, for example. And your White House is obviously guilty of condemning Fox News and the GOP much more harshly than our actual enemies in the world. This is transparent projection. Mccain faced the liberal press and answered their questions. Obama refuses to talk to Fox News, but begs to talk to Iran. Obama says ‘shut up’ ‘I won’ ‘punch back twice as hard’ in reference to the GOP, but claims the Taliban has a role in governing.

    You are right that it’s wrong to do this… I think you just don’t seem to recognize where it’s occurring.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  152. Stashiu, this character has to be an undergraduate student. Juvenile and insulting to no good purpose. I particularly like the intellectual supremacy of telling someone to shut up, and then claiming victory.

    Emperor, you are the one making multiple contradictory statements, and not even realizing it. And being needlessly and not very impressively insulting about it.

    Other folks have posted your statements multiple times, demonstrating that you are dishonest and playing games. And when challenged, you resort of the most immature tactics.

    And yet you claim to be above all that.

    Not so much.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  153. Comment by Dustin — 10/16/2009 @ 2:03 pm
    So I did, Dustin. So I did. Ain’t Karma a b*tch! Using your own measurement, do you now accept that Rush did or said something to attract the attacks on him about being racist? Do we now agree on this at least?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  154. Emperor, of course he did. He attacked a very wealthy and aggressive power structure by speaking Truth to Power. He is unafraid to say that his race and everyone else’s race, is irrelevant, and those who judge us on that basis are wrong.

    Now, we both know my real point was that you are inconsistent, not that ‘where there’s smoke, there’s fire’ means it’s OK to blame victims of smears. My real criticism of you is making an obviously impossible standard when it’s convenient for you.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  155. Eric,

    Mock and scorn. Reason is useless. Let lovey type out those wonderful, spittle-flecked gems that we can all just laugh at. Then, we can point and laugh at lovey. Anything more is just reinforcing the behavior. Anyone who can rationalize like a pedophile needs the dose of reality. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    Maybe a few dozen rounds of “lovey’s greatest hits” is in order. Some of the gems get lost in all the noise and probably deserve to see the spotlight again. We tend to focus only on the most recent. Must think on this. 😉

    Here’s one: Never lower yourself, right?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  156. Pinochet was a monster. Mao your friendly neighborhood comrade.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  157. I am not even going to try to defend myself or explain my comment any further.

    That’s because you’re a pervy pedophile, assrapechildapologist.

    I am sexually active and virile.

    (When he’s raping children.)

    I am healthy and normal

    (When he’s raping children)

    I am not stimulated by the idea of sex with minors.

    (Even though he definitely stated that he was stimulated by them)

    I have a right to express my feelings.

    (Which he does so at the weekly NAMBLA meetings around the block where he lives)

    I have no apologies for being honest.

    (He will not apologize for advocating the raping of minors)

    That’s the trademark of The Emperor.

    (AKA the assrapeachildpologist)

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  158. Dustin (@#142 at the moment) – the problem with trying to take an attitude of “I’m never going to do *anything* that Hitler did !” is that it also means you’ll never have the trains running on time …

    It makes a lot more sense to be aware of the entirety of those like Hitler or Stalin or Mao, to be able to learn both from their mistakes and their genuine achievements (when they have any) …

    Eric Blair – the current Dems aren’t the Progressive Party, they are the Projective Party … most of their complaints about the GOP are projection … they wouldn’t recognise real progressive stuff if it bit them in the ‘The Emperor’ …

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  159. Forget Hitler, imagine Beck saying that about Pinochet or Trujillo.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  160. Oh, you are right, Stash. I just like showing that the person—whatever the gender—cannot help but be mean spirited, nasty, insulting, and juvenile. Despite all the attempts to be, what was it? Oh yes, a “civil voice” for “balance” on this comments section.

    And the lack of self-awareness that so-continuously produces gems like this one—

    <

    i>”…do you now accept that Rush did or said something to attract the attacks on him…”

    —and yet the character seems blissfully unaware that the same could be said of him or herself?

    Classic performance art, or cluelessness? The audience gets to decide!

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  161. I don’t know if anyone has said this already, but the average of those murdered by her two heroes in only 35 million.

    Mother Theresa never killed anyone so she had the bad luck to pick a guy that’s killed only 70 million.

    She was very close to getting her average under 25 million if she had picked Stalin over Mao. And just think what the average would be down to if she had the smarts to pick Hitler.

    MU789 (718eef)

  162. There is a lot of truth in what you write, Alasdair. It’s a criticism of the progressive Democrats, and a warning to Republicans.

    But yes, the hypocrisy is pretty amazing right now. It reminds me of this:

    http://mschaut.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/fascist.jpg

    It’s always so different when a different letter is applied….

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  163. I don’t deny any of my comments. I stand by them. Quote it anywhere. It’s what I said. Now put that in your drink and choke on it!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  164. No one needs to choke on anything I don’t think. For one thing it’s Friday afternoon.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  165. Alasdair, you are right. Of course, if one were to emulate and even preach for something wise that Hitler did, they should clearly confine their endorsement…. Anita was very general and also dishonest in her praise for Mao telling folks to ‘choose their own path’, etc.

    But you’re right that there’s no need for an absolute ban on learning from the good ideas of horrible monsters.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  166. Why so angry, Emperor? Could it be having your lies, arrogance, and ill temper thrown in your face, for all to see, hurts a bit?

    So don’t say bizarre or angry or insulting things. It’s easier than having to deny what you wrote a few hours beforehand.

    It’s been posted again and again. And more hit parades are coming.

    So why not just take a breath, as HAL would say? Opening that airlock is pretty drastic.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  167. Empty Roarer – Including the “Let’s let Polanski go ’cause child rape is no big deal” comment?

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  168. (He will not apologize for advocating the raping of minors.
    Comment by Dmac — 10/16/2009 @ 2:36 pm

    You are lying piece of animal dung. You must really hate yourself for being a non-performer.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  169. Empty Roarer

    STILL

    Wrong on the facts.

    Wrong on the law.

    Wrong on the morality.

    Very wrong on the argument.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  170. …but very right in being an admitted pedophile.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  171. Empty Roarer – Including the “Let’s let Polanski go ’cause child rape is no big deal” comment?

    Comment by Have Blue — 10/16/2009 @ 2:50 pm

    I think I will call you “Have Depression” because blue kinda sounds depressing.
    Unless you are an idiot (which I am guessing you are not) you would know that is not what I said or how I said it. But as it is the habit of folks here to lie and misrepresent so as to make their argument more authentic, I know why you had to put a little lie to it.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  172. Let us not lose complete track of the post, the fact the T-Bogg is a skeezy slimy dishonest underwear clerk what tells lies. And Barcky’s staffers lurvs them some commies.

    JD (769f99)

  173. Why so angry, Emperor?
    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 2:49 pm

    Angry? No I am not angry, erika. And let me state again, I stand by every comment I have made. 100%. You don’t like it, your cup of tea. And when you say I denied any of my comments, you are lying. I have only countered any attempt to misrepresent my words. And if you don’t like that, it says more about you than it does about me.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  174. but very right in being an admitted pedophile.

    Comment by Dmac — 10/16/2009 @ 2:53 pm

    More lies from the lying waste of oxygen.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  175. Empty Roarer – If that was not your rationale for letting Polanski go then please enlighten me.

    As I recall you stated that the rape was not really rape because she was not physically injured, or that she had not screamed loudly enough.

    You further implied that Polanski’s supposed artistic merit entitled him to special tratment.

    You further stated (and have repeated) that the fact that the victim no longer personally desires retribution means that the State of California should forget about the fact that he is already a self admitted felon who owes the state a long prison sentence.

    Still wrong on the facts and the law.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  176. Hey, Emperor! I have this great idea.

    You say you have never lied. So if we post several sets of your own comments that are in direct contradiction with one another, do you agree to go away for a month?

    How about it?

    I mean, you have nothing to fear, right?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  177. Tee hee hee hee.
    Patterico, you’re a piece of work. Or maybe half a piece.
    She’s lying. She lies. Call her out. She says it’s a joke. That’s a lie. Call her out.
    We all know you far-right wingnuts are incapable of “getting” humor — e.g. Colber, Stewart, Maher, et. al — so it is no surprise you miss this one. It’s no wonder so little humor is marketed to you guys. It simply doesn’t work.
    Go ahead and argue that, well, McCain quoted Mao for this reason, and Lee Atwater did for that reason, but, of course, this Obama apparat-chick did it because there’s a communist cabal in the White House.
    Tee hee hee hee.
    She was using irony. Google it along with “humor.” Though that won’t help because for you it sill simply be a definition. You don’t “get” irony. Or as Jack Nicholson might say, “You can’t handle the irony.”
    But please. Beat this one a few more days. Grab and grab at straws and try to make another strawman.
    The real world already is leaving you behind.

    Larry Reilly (45c8f2)

  178. “I am sexually active and virile.”

    Lovey – Most women do not use the word “virile” to describe themselves. Why are you still lying about your gender? If you are sexually active please spare us the details and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE use protection to avoid breeding.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  179. Larry – She did not “quote Mao”. She flat out stated that Mao is one of her “two favorite political philosophers.”

    Would you give a politician a pass if she said, “Adolph Hitler is one of my two favorite political philosophers.”

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  180. Larry – How many pops did you have at happy hour. You sound back in form.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  181. You know, it sounds all lofty when I read this:


    “She was using irony. Google it along with “humor.” Though that won’t help because for you it sill simply be a definition. You don’t “get” irony. Or as Jack Nicholson might say, “You can’t handle the irony.”


    But then I realize that these same people don’t think that, for example, Rush Limbaugh, is using irony. Like he says he does.

    Because that’s different.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  182. “…The real world already is leaving you behind….”

    How are those polls, by the way?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  183. Comment by Have Blue — 10/16/2009 @ 3:14 pm

    As I recall you stated that the rape was not really rape because she was not physically injured, or that she had not screamed loudly enough.

    No, depressed, I said that this case is being judged as Statutory rape and not Forcible rape. Seeing that all sexual misconducts involving minors are categorized as rape because a minor is not in a position to make an informed decision when it comes to sex. I was also careful to add that this does not make it any less rape as it is. But it is a fact that there is a difference between Statutory rape and forcible. I have always stated that this is still rape.

    You further implied that Polanski’s supposed artistic merit entitled him to special tratment.

    Another untruth. I did not say Polanski deserves “special treatment” because of his art. I merely pointed that out as one of the positive things that has come out of him.

    You further stated (and have repeated) that the fact that the victim no longer personally desires retribution means that the State of California should forget about the fact that he is already a self admitted felon who owes the state a long prison sentence.

    And what is wrong with that? The victim is not interested in seeing the man punished for it. That is fact. Not my doing. Yes the state reserves the right to throw him to jail in spite of this fact. You don’t see me anywhere disputing that. The law is the law.
    And let me say this, asking that a crime be forgiven in no way suggests that the crime is not a crime. It is not an endorsement of the crime. When amnesty is granted to a criminal, does it mean the state that granted the said amnesty is now condoning the crime? Hardly.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  184. “We all know you far-right wingnuts are incapable of “getting” humor”

    “The real world already is leaving you behind.”

    Got that folks? Your intellectual and cultural superior has spoken! People like this idiot crack me up with the snotty air of cleverness and wit that his political foes could never have the brilliance that HE has in order to “GET.” The real world. Right, clown. And that consists of what? Smelling your own excrement among your like-minded stick-up-the ass “ooooh we’re so ironic and clever” hipper-than-thou crowd? Liking Bill Maher is a sign of your betterness? Are you kidding, you tool? I love the snobbery and how it just belies this petty, juvenile need for self-affirmation and ego-stroking worthy of a petulant adolescent. Oooh name dropper! Can you give us a reading list, professor? Help us enhance our oh so humor challenged shallow lives so that we too can reach your level of enlightenment that is required to “get” the brilliance of Jon Stewart! You’re a complete pompous ass. Your pathetic, self-indulgent ego just oozes from every word you spew. I guarantee any random person that regularly posts here demolishes anything you have in your pathetic sniveling shallow life in terms of work, education, taste, etc. Get bent, you insipid loser.

    SPC Jack Klompus (c1922b)

  185. “Or as Jack Nicholson might say, “You can’t handle the irony.”

    Wow man your cultural references are f’n scintillating. How could we possibly measure up to you!

    SPC Jack Klompus (c1922b)

  186. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 3:33 pm

    Erika, what are you still waiting for? Go ahead and post them. Bring it on!
    I stand by every comment I have made. Go on. Make my day. Let’s expose all your lies.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  187. I didn’t think you would agree. Do you agree to go away, when several people post your own words that are in direct contradiction? Or will you play some immature word game, coupled with more juvenile insults?

    Well? I would love to get you to agree to it, because then you would have to leave.

    Ready? Then agree.

    Do you get the impression several people have been waiting for this?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  188. ^gets stimulated regarding sexual possibilities with minors.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  189. Go for it, Eric – takedown the pedophilic scumbag, once and for all.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  190. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 4:05 pm

    Why are you wasting time, erika? You disappoint me. Bring out any of my comments that stands in contradiction to an earlier statement and I will take a break from this blog. We have a deal. Shoot. Don’t disappoint me.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  191. Crickets……(Looks at wristwatch..)……………………..sighs deeply………………..

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  192. We have a deal. Shoot. Don’t disappoint me.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 4:23 pm

    Gotta run for a bit, but I’ll take that bet and you’re gonna regret… heh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  193. Don’t know whether this will work.

    Lovey and a couple of friends getting stimulated!

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  194. Didn’t work.

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  195. Crickets are lucky. They’re like when you put an elephant to where it’s facing away from the front door. That’s lucky too. What’s bad luck is electing Chicago street trash and not buying tasty swiss cake rolls when they’re on sale.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  196. Comment by daleyrocks — 10/16/2009 @ 3:41 pm
    Another blog filth, showing up to hide his personal failures.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  197. Well, I am still grading papers, but I saved the original set of posts that irritate people so.

    Check it out:

    “My statement is not a very intellectual one. It’s more of a moral thing. Come on. Who really cares what happened thirty two yeas ago? The girl in question should be what? 45 years by now? The man lost his wife violently. A lot of stuff has happened since then. Besides he has produced some really nice works. I am sure the victim may have moved on beyond this. So should we. We all make mistakes.”

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/11/2009 @ 4:22 pm
    http://patterico.com/2009/10/11/roman-polanski-is-depressed/#comment-565635

    We all make mistakes? Show of hands: how many people hear have drugged and raped a thirteen year old girl?

    And then about two hours later….

    “Let me be clear. I am not defending Roman Polanski. I think his behavior was disgusting, as well as despicable. I am not saying he does not deserve to be punished for it. He does. My issue is that nothing is gained from this whole stuff. Except opening up old wounds for the victim. What is she saying in all this? Is she seeking justice for this? What is she really saying? Forgiveness is a Christian, as well as a universal injunction. That is the only way for real healing to start. To err is human. To forgive is divine.”

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/11/2009 @ 6:44 pm
    http://patterico.com/2009/10/11/roman-polanski-is-depressed/#comment-565708

    Don’t you love the Biblical stuff?

    So let’s review:

    “Who really cares what happened thirty two yeas ago?”

    ” I am sure the victim may have moved on beyond this. So should we. We all make mistakes.”

    Against:

    “I am not defending Roman Polanski. I think his behavior was disgusting, as well as despicable. I am not saying he does not deserve to be punished for it. He does.”

    Right. No contradiction there? Emperor has been flat out lying on this topic. My guess? S/he posted something flippantly and then refused to back down. Realized that the original post made her or him look kind of skeezy, and then tried to brazen through a denial in the same freakin’ thread.

    Now, none of this will do any good. This nasty little troll is just posting to stir people up, after all. So the response will be Clintonian hair splitting, and personal insults.

    But we all know the truth, and there is the first bit: A lie. And about child rape.

    So….time for Emperor to go?

    Dmac? John Hitchcock? Want to play whack a mole with this subterranean creature?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  198. Stashiu, I look forward to your fisking of this person. But you watch, the hair splitting will begin.

    Keep in mind folks: Emperor agreed to the terms above.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  199. “Bring out any of my comments that stands in contradiction to an earlier statement and I will take a break from this blog.”

    Buh bye.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  200. Comment by daleyrocks — 10/16/2009 @ 4:30 pm

    Go lose some weight fat head. Then maybe, just maybe you will have more luck with the ladies. Fat, ugly, and smelly mouth are totally not attractive qualities.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  201. Do you really have to be as predictable as you are?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  202. And why are you still posting? You agreed to the terms.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  203. Lovey – Eric got you at #199.

    Buh-Bye, Sugar Tits.

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  204. Mr. daleyrocks isn’t fat not even a little. That’s just not true what you said.

    It’s almost time to leave work. I have a coffee thing I have to do after. I guess that’s ok but I’m drinking coffee now already. That could end up being a lot of coffee. I wonder if Starbucks has any pumpkin spice thingers yet.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  205. Mr. Feet, there has been much unhappiness recently on the Tubes. What kind of Starbucks treat do you like best of cold rainy days?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  206. Don’t forget its lie that this was not forcible rape. That was a cute one.

    Let’s also not lose sight of the fact that T-Bogg is an aggressively dishonest poofter was sells underwear for a living, NTTAWWT.

    JD (b9a8a2)

  207. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 4:35 pm
    You are sooooo pathetic, erika. Is that the “big” contradiction you speak of? I am ashamed for you. Look at yourself. What is even more disgraceful is how you are calling on your bedfellows to rescue you. What? Are you afraid of the Emperor? Face me. I am one person. Fight me. Stop acting like a coward. You started it. Finish it. Man to man.
    For the records, those comments are in total agreement. Asking that a crime be forgiven is not a defense of the crime. But your little brain can seem to wrap itself around it. I am waiting for more serious contradictions. You disappoint me, this woman!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  208. As I predicted.

    Yet another lie. You asked for contradiction. I gave you one. More are coming, sir or ma’am.

    And are you seriously asking to fight me? Because that is a bannable offense in most blogs.

    Great job! Civil and balanced!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  209. Hey, I’m just a politically independent moderate who is glad to see somebody say something kind about Thoreau. That guy still has a lot to offer people today. Blog post about why Thoreau matters

    Christopher (b6c0c3)

  210. That’s just it… we sort of feinted at cold and rainy and now it’s just muggy and noncommittal.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  211. Empty Roarer – There is no point in even bringing up statutory rape. The rape commited by Polanski was not a statutory rape. He committed a violent rape against an unwilling victim.

    Let me repeat that.

    He committed a violent rape against an unwilling victim. An unwilling victim who was thirteen years old. Which made her less than one third his age.

    Even mentioning statutory rape looks like an attempt to imply that she consented to the acts. She in no way consented. She specifically did not consent at each escalation of the assault.

    Why would you even try to find a “positive” in the character of a man who would violently rape a thirteen year old?

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  212. Buh-Bye, Sugar Tits.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/16/2009 @ 4:43 pm

    I bet that’s what they tell you when they are through with you. Sad. Really sad.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  213. lovey,

    Don’t you remember this? Then you doubled-down. But you knew about his site four months earlier and didn’t claim he was paid to post here then.

    And don’t forget about the “I don’t have a blog” when you do, even if you’re not currently posting. I have more. Many more.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  214. Comment by Have Blue — 10/16/2009 @ 5:00 pm
    Even mentioning statutory rape looks like an attempt to imply that she consented to the acts. She in no way consented. She specifically did not consent at each escalation of the assault.

    I am not the only person saying that. Do your research and you will find that to be so. At least you agree that I never said it was not rape. That’s a good place to start.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  215. “I am waiting for more serious contradictions.”

    Lovey – Since you admit it is a contradiction, you need to adhere to the terms of the agreement and vamoose.

    Feets – Thanks for confirming another Lovey lie!

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  216. I am off for a short break. When I come back, i want to see some real contradictions. Not weak excuses for laziness. Now get to work boys and girls!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  217. Empty Roarer – I have even posted that he is guilty of Statutory rape as well. If the girl had come naked and willing to his bed, gotten him drunk and had had consensual sex with him he would STILL be going to prison.

    But that is not what happened.

    No.

    Polanski plied a thirteen year old with alcohol.

    He gave her a controlled prescription tranquilizer for the purpose of making her more compliant.

    He ignored her refusal of his advances and overcame her efforts to reject him by using her fear and his size against her.

    If his victim had been 50 years old he would still be guilty of rape. And he would still deserve to go to prison.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  218. Have Blue, I just want this creature to follow its own agreements. And the “man to man” thing was clearly some kind of threat. I wonder why?

    As I have said a couple of times, this is a creeeeeeepy person.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  219. Empty Roarer – In comment 216 you admit that Polanski committed rape. But in prior comments you have stated at length you don’t think he should be punished?

    Do you feel that all rapists should be let go with an apology for ruining their day by arresting them?

    Or is there something special about this case?

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  220. Come back and take your beat – downs like the scumbag you are, assrapechildapologist.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  221. Emperor is on a break so this is a good time to move on to another subject.

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  222. Texeria is an outstanding hitter.

    USC vs. Notre Dame and Oklahoma vs. Texas tomorrow. Great day.

    JD (ed16bb)

  223. That’s my kind of change in subject, JD.

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  224. My theory is the winning quarterback in the OU-Texas shootout could seal the Heisman runner-up tomorrow. Unless they play bad or someone gets hurt, but I hope that doesn’t happen.

    And I have to go with USC even though the game is at South Bend. What do you think?

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  225. Remember the words of Beano Cook, DRJ, who told us that there are two ways to win the Heisman: play for Notre Dame, or play well against Notre Dame.

    JVW (d1215a)

  226. The thing I remember most about Notre Dame is when Lou Holtz claimed that “God wanted Notre Dame to win” when another miraculous last – second play saved their bacon. Always over – rated and they rarely play a difficult schedule compared to the other “national” teams; Go Trojans!

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  227. Man to man.
    Comment by the Empress

    Somehow I doubt it.

    Mitch (69e416)

  228. Beano Cook was an idiot. Not much brighter than Lee Corso.

    USC in a romp.

    DRJ – I think the Heisman is very much up for grabs still, and I would disagree with you in that I think the winning QB in the OK vs TX game should be the front-runner.

    One of the fields my company did is one TV right now, DRJ, on Fox.

    JD (ed16bb)

  229. Not the front-runner, the runner-up. I think it’s Tebow’s for now.

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  230. As we have had more than enough rancor and acrimony for one day, I will refrain from talking about what an over-rated, over-hyped, product of a system, media creation Tim Teblow and Urban Meyer are. Oops.

    JD (b91e1c)

  231. Beautiful field, JD, and if there were justice in college football then TCU would be in the Big 12.

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  232. There have been times in the past where the state of TX had enough good teams for the own conference.

    JD (b91e1c)

  233. It has been a while since we have heard from Juan.

    JD (b91e1c)

  234. “DRJ – I think the Heisman is very much up for grabs still”

    I think Obama is going to win the fan vote in a walk if the sponsors have the guts to report the results.

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  235. “The thing I remember most about Notre Dame is when Lou Holtz claimed that “God wanted Notre Dame to win””

    DMAC – That’s why they hired Gerry Faust, right?

    daleyrocks (d057d3)

  236. If Obama really wants to change things, how about a rule that all Texas high school athletes have to play in-state during college?

    DRJ (7fbae6)

  237. Why do you hate every other State, DRJ? 😉

    JD (85cf0b)

  238. Just got back from work 40 min ago and trying to catch up on my reading. On the topic of “subject change” I strongly suggest LBJ will win another award in the spring, to go with the award he won last spring, and that is NBA MVP. I strongly suggest, with the additions of Tony Parker and Shaq “I play football in basketball games” the road to the NBA Champeenship goes thru Cleveland.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  239. She obviously meant that as a joke, seeing how the audience laughed when she said it.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 9:01 am

    I’m late to this thread, but what the hell are you talking about?! That idiot at the lectern was speaking in a serious, sincere manner. The slight laughter from the audience apparently came from those who couldn’t relate to the ultra-leftism of Dunn and, at first, must have thought she was being merely tongue-in-cheek. IOW, they sensed a person who paired Mother Theresa with an ultra-fanatic butcher like Mao either was totally non-serious or truly deranged.

    The sickening thing about leftists — such as you or Dunn — is their belief that liberalism gives a humane, generous and beautiful glow to a human. Even ultra-leftists along the lines of Mao must believe their motivations are predicated on a great concern for humanity.

    If leftists start admitting they’re actually rotten human beings to the core, or certainly are no more humane, kind and decent than anyone else, maybe they’ll start seeing the light. And if someone like Mao can be honest enough to say that the extremism he embraces is inspired by ruthless, sadistic, vindictive, sociopathic emotions, I’d give that person credit for being honest about himself.

    Mark (411533)

  240. the only joke was that Mao and Mother Teresa were not normal people to link together. Har Har Har. But wait, let Anita explain why they are both super sweet people. That part was not a joke, and anyone lying about it is lying.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  241. The second Beck said that, I knew somebody was going to try to use it. TBogg is a very stupid creep.

    Jim Treacher (796deb)

  242. #223 DRJ:

    …is on a break…

    Any chance that’s permanent, because I won’t be back unless it is.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  243. In comment 216 you admit that Polanski committed rape. But in prior comments you have stated at length you don’t think he should be punished?

    Do you feel that all rapists should be let go with an apology for ruining their day by arresting them?

    Or is there something special about this case?

    Comment by Have Blue — 10/16/2009 @ 5:38 pm
    With due respect to DRJ, I just felt I had to asnwer one last question and with it sum up my position on this Polanski case. First of all, this is a case of rape. Second it is a crime. Thirdly, Polanski deserves to be punished for it. Next, the victim is no longer interested in seeing this case go to court. When I said something about forgiving this case and moving on, it had nothing to do with whether Polanski deserves to walk. It is just me opining on what I think is the Christian thing to do. No I don’t think rapists should be let to go when they commit a crime. I believe that the law was put in place to protect lives, as well as to establish order. A society without law is a society in anarchy. Fine, you don’t think Polanski deserves to be forgiven. That is your position. You have a right to that point of view. My position has always been, yes he deserves to be punished but if it is possible, he should be pardoned. Especially because the victim thinks so. That does not make me a supporter of a child rapist anymore than a defense attorney asking for clemency for his client makes the lawyer a criminal. The question here is judgement versus mercy. Yes he has every reason to be punished but mercy can be shown. And if it will not be shown, fine, he goes to jail. Everyone is satisfied. This is and always has been my position. I have asked for prior comments I have made on this issue that contradicts what I am saying and so far there is none. I hope this will be the last I shall need to talk about this.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  244. First of all, this is a case of rape. Second it is a crime. Thirdly, Polanski deserves to be punished for it. Next, the victim is no longer interested in seeing this case go to court. When I said something about forgiving this case and moving on, it had nothing to do with whether Polanski deserves to walk. It is just me opining on what I think is the Christian thing to do. No I don’t think rapists should be let to go when they commit a crime.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/17/2009 @ 6:07 am

    There is a reason this crime is called statutory rape. This is a case of illegal sexual act with a minor. It is called rape because a minor is considered incapable of making a matured decision on sex. It would be a real case of rape as john de-tinycock is referring to in the Bible if the victim can prove she was forced against her will and that she shouted. This 13 year old evidently did not scream nor attempt to escape. Yes you may point out that she was drugged and kept saying “no, no. stop…” But we know how a rape victim behaves. Real rape victims. This remains a case of statutory rape. Sex with a minor. Not forcible rape. There is a difference. It does not make Polanski’s act less criminal and vile, though. But it is what it is.

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/12/2009 @ 4:46 am

    #

    My statement is not a very intellectual one. It’s more of a moral thing. Come on. Who really cares what happened thirty two yeas ago? The girl in question should be what? 45 years by now? The man lost his wife violently. A lot of stuff has happened since then. Besides he has produced some really nice works. I am sure the victim may have moved on beyond this. So should we. We all make mistakes.

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/11/2009 @ 4:22 pm

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  245. 245. Lovey, you are delusional, lying, assrapist. You should be banned.

    PCD (fa6de9)

  246. delusional, lying assrapist assrapist-defender who admits to getting off on descriptions of child rape

    Don’t wanna speak for anyone else but maybe that’s the abbreviation that was meant. Unless The Emperor admitted also to raping children. Sorry if I missed that. Actually won’t be sorry if I missed that.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  247. Lovie,

    You claim “mercy” as a method to avoid punishment but what has Polanski done to deserve mercy?

    Does John Demjanjuk deserve mercy?

    I just don’t get this line of reasoning. If the guy had escaped to Nepal and donated all his wealth to feeding starving orphans ….

    He fled the law, kept up his rapist ways, kept making movies, became a bigger cult hero to the degenerate left, and lived the life of a millionaire.

    Personally, you are willfully ignoring facts either to pee off people or b/c you frankly don’t think pedophilia is crime but can’t admit it.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  248. Don’t wanna speak for anyone else but maybe that’s the abbreviation that was meant

    Can’t speak for anyone else, but my own personal moniker is assrapechildapologist. Tell all your friends, maybe it’ll catch on!

    This scumbag has now proven to be a willful liar by the prior postings of it’s own hateful words. It has admitted to be “stimulated” by the description of a child’s rape by an adult – and it will be reminded of that fact every time it posts on this site until it leaves.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  249. Especially because the victim thinks so.

    Should we allow victims of crimes to choose whether they would rather be financially rewarded or see the perpetrator go to jail?

    If I were raped by a millionaire, $600,000 would do a lot more for me personally than seeing him spend 90 days in jail. It doesn’t do much for society, though.

    MayBee (34a54a)

  250. Comment by no one you know — 10/17/2009 @ 7:16 am

    noyk, judging from the comments you posted, it is clear that I have always agreed that this is a case of rape. Statuory or otherwise. My point is that Polanski does not need to forcibly rape her for this to be called rape. When judging all cases of sexual misconduct with minors, it doesn’t matter if the sex was consensual or forced. All sexual intercourse with a minor is regarded as rape. So we don’t need to embellish the detals or try to make it more terrible. Even if she did not resist, it would still be rape. and in this case statutory. The reason I brought up the issue of statutory versus forcible was to draw a distinction and to keep the conversation honest. The crime here is that he had sex with a minor. Whether she was coerced or not is not important.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  251. If I were raped by a millionaire, $600,000 would do a lot more for me personally than seeing him spend 90 days in jail. It doesn’t do much for society, though.

    Comment by MayBee — 10/17/2009 @ 8:11 am
    I totally agree, MayBee.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  252. Then what does what the victim wants at this point matter, The Emperor?

    MayBee (34a54a)

  253. Comment by HeavenSent — 10/17/2009 @ 7:32 am

    Do I at least have a right to an opinion? Why is my humble and-to a large extent-not too important opinion drawing so much flak here? I am not the Judge who will handle this matter nor am I going to be among the jurors who will decide this case. I am just another commenter who is offering his view point like any other person can and should. This is becoming ridiculous. People should take out there anger and frustration on Polanski and not on me. Hell I don’t even know this guy!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  254. “Whether she was coerced or not is not important.”

    – The Emperor

    It’s very important. That’s what everybody’s getting so pissed at you off about – whether she was coerced or not is extremely important, second only to the fact that Polanski had sex of any sort with a 13-year old girl (which is the most important aspect of the case).

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  255. That’s not the only reason why everybody’s so pissed off, Leviticus – but as usual, your point’s well taken. But when someone actually states that they’re stimulated after reading about the sexual assault in detail, that’s not only depraved, it’s cut – and – dried sick.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  256. I guess I should add that an ex – girlfriend from long ago was sexually abused by her father, and she was just beginning to process that awful reality when we had first met. The details were something out of a horror movie, except that you couldn’t walk out if you didn’t like it – I have no tolerance for anyone who makes jokes or makes light of situations like that, and this particular instance went so far beyond the acceptable levels of decency that I feel that it cannot be excused, nor condoned in any way, shape or form.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  257. I think lovie/chimperor has to have been on a crank/meth bender, as he/she/it appears to not remember its own words, and does not know the significant differences between statuatory and forcible rape.

    JD (2ed087)

  258. Matthew 15:17-20 (New International Version)

    17″Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man ‘unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’ ”

    Matthew 5:27-29 (New International Version)

    27″You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

    Lovey lies about what Lovey already said. Lovey slanders other commenters here. Lovey claimed to be “sexually virile” thus has been sexually immoral. Lovey got aroused by an account of rape of a 13-year-old, thus Lovey is guilty of raping a 13-year-old in Lovey’s heart. By Lovey’s own words, Lovey is in danger of spending eternity in hell.

    Matthew 7:15-23 (New International Version)

    15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    Lovey claims to be a Christian but Lovey’s words and deeds are not the fruit of a Christian. And Christ will say “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoer!”

    Of course, Lovey can still change its ways as long as Lovey is still alive and not comatose.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  259. Righties trying to act cool, what a bunch of dweebs! You might ask the Chinese about Mao. But nothing matters except american opinion. Right? And no american opinion matters except the wingnuts. Life is so much better inside an echo chamber. You’re always right when you are the only one that matters.

    craig (145de4)

  260. And the point to this stream of non sequiters, name calling, & ad hominem attack is WHAT?

    Icy Truth (6fdd44)

  261. […] some dirt on Anita Dunn.  Earlier this year, she gave a commencement address in which she declared her favorite political philosophers to be Mao Tse-Tung and Mother Theresa.  Now, I have no trouble with Mother Theresa, but Mao Tse-Tung? The dictator who is responsible […]

    The War Against Fox News | Axis of Right (4bdcf7)

  262. Craig,

    One of my friends, who happens to be Chinese, has an older sister trapped in China since 1945. You want to hear some of the atrocities commited upon her because her father was a Nationalist General?

    Craig, clueless dweebs like you give Liberalism and the Democrat party their deserved bad names.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  263. The Empty Roar

    > do you now accept that Rush did or said something to attract the attacks on him about being racist?

    Give me a break. Everyone knows that to the left conservatives are guilty of being a racist until proven innocent and in your case, not even then.

    > You must really hate yourself for being a non-performer.

    Wow, you must really have trouble in that department to be obsessing so much on this.

    > No, depressed, I said that this case is being judged as Statutory rape and not Forcible rape.

    And ignoring that she said no, which even if she was 18 means it is rape. Because according to you the bible requires a woman to scream and fight, even though that is not what the bible actually says.

    > Another untruth. I did not say Polanski deserves “special treatment” because of his art.

    Who exactly do you think you are fooling? You have made exactly that argument.

    > one of the positive things that has come out of him.

    As opposed to the negative thing that went into his victim.

    > Asking that a crime be forgiven is not a defense of the crime.

    Maybe not, but saying that he should be forgiven for the crime, and not serve jail time is saying “he does not deserve to be punished for it.” and since you claimed you didn’t say that, you are caught in a contradiction.

    > I am waiting for more serious contradictions.

    Which implicitly admits that you were at least caught in a minor one.

    > I am not the only person saying that.

    Yeah, you have Woody Allen in your corner, too!

    > Whether she was coerced or not is not important.

    Well, it depends on which version of you we are talking to. The one who says that even statutory rape is a serious crime? Or the one who doesn’t think its rape unless the woman is screaming and fighting? The one who fails to understand a mere lack of consent is enough to make it rape.

    Is that stimulating enough for you?

    NOYK

    > Unless The Emperor admitted also to raping children.

    No, but he did admit to being turned on by the Polanski testimony. Fwiw.

    And i know… Whisky Tango Foxtrot, he admitted to being stimulated by that testimony.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  264. Hey, Chimperor, If laws don’t apply to Liberals, then they don’t protect them from the lawless either.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  265. Patterico,

    Btw, for sheer sharp satire, you can’t beat scrappleface on the NFL.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/64412497.html

    Ott is a genius at finding the inherent contradictions in someone’s stances. My favorite part of this one:

    > Commissioner Goodell added that “If the NFL stands for anything, it stands for tolerance and harmony. When families come out to watch the Cowboys go after the Redskins, we don’t want them distracted by primitive racial or ethnic divisions.”

    Heh.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    A.W. (b1db52)

  266. A.W. here is a deal. You keep your opinion and let me keep mine. Okay? Thank you.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  267. 268, Lovey, You don’t “get to keep your opinion” when you are abetting and condoning illegal behavior.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  268. I apologise in advance, gentlebeings, but I have something Anita get off my chest …

    Would it be unworthy of me to say, with intentional irony, that one of the inspiring philosophers in my life now is “Mousey Dunn” ?

    {/me mallards, grinning}

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  269. How about Mousey Dung?

    A.W. (b1db52)


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