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4/25/2009

Liz Cheney on Waterboarding/Harsh Interrogation Tactics

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:49 am

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State (and Dick Cheney daughter) Liz Cheney rips Norah O’Donnell to shreds on waterboarding/harsh interrogation tactics in this clip:

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(h/t daleyrocks and Power Line.)

Note O’Donnell’s Roesgen-like attack dog tactics: “Let me just finish my point.”

148 Responses to “Liz Cheney on Waterboarding/Harsh Interrogation Tactics”

  1. I need to control the redefinition so I can demagogue the issue and I’m not really here to actually listen to what you have to say. And don’t bother with your massive pile of evidence. It’s all your dad’s fault that the Iranians held our embassy hostage.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  2. O’Donnell is an idiot, has always been an idiot, and will always be an idiot – kudos to Ms. Cheney for exposing her unreal demagoguery here.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  3. That interviewer was completely outgunned. Amazing how she keeps making these wild and excessive exaggerations, only to be defeated by Ms. Cheney’s amazing command of facts.

    If only Liz Cheney looked like Sarah Palin in our superficial culture. She did a great job fighting off a very aggressive interviewer on a very unfair network.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  4. My favorite line: “You’re just reading headlines.”

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  5. BTW, they held the GE shareholders meeting last week, and the lordly CEO (Immelt) cut off the mike when too many shareholders kept questioning him regarding the inanity going on within the hallways of MSNBC recently – best part of the captured audio are the resounding boos reigning down on Immelt after he stopped taking questions regarding Zucker’s (NBC News Chief) come to Jesus meeting with the CNBC brass, which in effect was to silence any more unfortunate outbursts against Teh One’s socialistic agenda.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  6. Yes, Cheney did great. Calm and factual as opposed to Nervous Norah.

    BTW when has any of our enemies ever treated us according to Geneva Conventions? Ask John McCain.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  7. The best line was “When they capture American soldiers, they cut off their heads.” No torture there.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  8. I know! That tired old freshman level argument about Geneva doesn’t make any sense at all! Has a single US soldier ever found themselves at the mercy of a military that honors the geneva convention in the last 15 years?

    Would our nation even go to war against a people that honored human rights?

    the geneva convention was indeed meant to be an incentive not to torture or otherwise be monstrous, because groups, like Al Qaida, that broke the basic rules of war were supposed to suffer dire consequences. Now, we’re supposed to not even put caterpillars on people, but they can fly planes of children into buildings of bankers.

    And if we do we will… avoid losing the mercy of the world? We don’t have any to lose.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  9. Ms. Cheney was superb – unflappable, not caught up in an emotional argument (like O’Donnell) and obviously knows the facts up one side and down the other. I think her calm was also a part of what provoked O’Donnell. A beautiful example of how to debate and argue correctly. Nothing but the facts, m’am.

    And why, if some were saved because of waterboarding, isn’t that enough? How many would have to be saved by it to qualify as a good and necessary practice? And who gets to determine that magical number – Ms. O’Donnell, NPR, Sean Penn?

    Dana (d08a3a)

  10. I’ve never heard Lyn Cheney speak prior to this interview. She’s calm, collected, and knowledgeable. What was torture was forcing myself to listen to Norah O’Donnell for 8 1/2 minutes.

    As it turns out, it wasn’t much of a contest. The line about reading headlines made it a clean kill. Was there a time when journalists actually did a little research before opening their mouths and making asses of themselves?

    jdflorida (cb54f8)

  11. I saw this when it aired. If you think Nora O’Donnell was bad, you should have seen the segment after Cheney was on. Lawrence O’Donnell was on and he whined about why wasn’t he on with Cheney, that someone else needed to be on with Cheney to refute everything she said. The liberal idea of a fair interview is to have 2 people interrupting and shouting down one guest.

    liontooth (c6d5a7)

  12. OMG, I would have loved to have seen Lawrence O’Donnell on with Cheney (and the Other O’Donnell), she would have sent him over the edge with her calm force (a la classic Cathy Seipp on Dennis Miller when her calm forceful disagreement caused Lawrence’s vein in his neck to bulge so much the viewer thought it was going to break right on through, so angry he was at her for daring to disagree with him)…

    Dana (d08a3a)

  13. Lynn Cheney did a good job. However, she allowed O’Donnell to get away with confusing what the Japanese did to American and Allied POW’s as well as the people in the occupied countries with “waterboarding.”

    The Japanese used a fairly common method of torture and/or killing in which the prisoner had a tube forced down the throat and water pumped in until the stomach ruptured or he talked.

    This method was also used as a method of execution in France in the 16th and 17th Centuries. Waterboarding is quite different. The effects are physically mild but terrifying to the person being “waterboarded.” Tht is why it is clasified as a “rough interogation method” not as “torture.”

    Juan, fifteen years? You must be kidding! Since the first American prisoners were captured on Wake Island in 1942, American POW’s havebeen subject to torture. I make that as sixty-seven years.

    World War II by the Japanese and Russians. Korea by the North Koreans, the Red Chinese and the Russians. Viet-Nam by the Viet-Cong, the North Vietnamese Army, the Red Chinese and the Russians.

    Please note : even when they were our “Allies” in WWII, the Russians made prisoners of downed American aircrew and tortured them for military information.

    Longwalker (996c34)

  14. We didn’t prosecute anyone after WWII for the current definition of water-boarding. What they did in WWII was pour salt water directly in the mouth and nose, forcing the detainee to swallow it in an upside down position, then force them to purge that same water by stepping on the detainee’s stomach.

    That goes way past the torture line that the CIA was given guidance to stay behind.

    I also agree that the Geneva Convention argument is invalid, but only because none of the detainees was a prisoner of war. The Geneva Convention protects uniformed service members. It does that specifically because once you take the uniform off and hide amongst the population, all bets are off. Spies were the main thought back then, when it was ratified. Field agents expected to be tortured and nations expected to torture those field agents.

    DeadGuy (becaa9)

  15. Nothing is perfect, but the interview displayed, full on, the “feelings versus facts” business. The facts weren’t as important to NOD as how she felt about the topic…and more pertinently, how that impacts how she feels about herself.

    Believe me, the jihadis think they are perfectly justified in cutting off the heads of people. This waterboarding business must amuse them no end.

    Of course they are going to call it torture. Look how the press and the Left responds to such crocodile tears. But here is a thought. How about every major imam issue a fatwa on Muslims treating captives in any way other than the US does?

    But then, we will start in with the “99% of Muslims do not approve of jihadi tactics,” again.

    Time for an Advil.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  16. Maybe we should ask PFC Thomas Lowell Tucker and PFC Kristian Menchaca how the Geneva Convention worked out for them…. oh wait. Let’s go to the video there Ms. O’Donnell and then compare and contrast with the worst photos you get out of Gitmo next week you self righteous ignorant wench….

    I am very tired of this crap. I was happy to hear Lynne Cheney refuse to accept our tactics defined as torture and her spirited defense of using legal opinions to gain an understanding of where the line is drawn.
    Not to go all Jeff Goldstein here on language and meaning, but conservatives have crept towards conceding the definition of “torture” to the media and the left. Conflating sleep deprivation ,titties and a simulation of a bad surfing experience at Guantanamo with drills, torches, electric shocks, meathooks, fishhook whips, genital mutilation, acid eyewash, and beheadings in Iraq by “resistance fighters” is intellectually bankrupt and begs morality.

    SteveG (02d951)

  17. It’s true. We should go ahead and say that torture and modern waterboarding aren’t the same thing.

    Joco (4cdfb7)

  18. It’s interesting that O’Donnell ignores the beheading part. She and those like her, are so convinced that what she calls a beacon of light will be perceived likewise by terrorists. There seems to be an inherent inability to understand and compute the evil of man – ignore that and get back to the narrative: blaming America. Having a terrorist cut off the head of a bound enemy, televising it to as many people as possible, and hold it up as an example of what the intended goal is should speak loudly and clearly that a beacon of light is meaningless to savages and barbarians. If anything, it is a further throwing down of the gauntlet reminding them that infidels abound and they will double down on their efforts to eliminate such.

    It is this sort of arrogant naivete that further weakens us. It’s not a popularity contest, Norah, it’s about survival. What our standing is before the other nations (whom we have helped keep safe) should not be at the top of concerns list, whether we are kept safe from imminent danger should be. I am half expecting someone in the media or this administration to eventually apologize to the terrorists for us having driven them to beheadings and the like.

    Dana (d08a3a)

  19. Liz Cheney has been one of those who sweat for the safety of this Nation.

    Thank you Liz Cheney.

    Ben (b1ce6e)

  20. Btw,

    Liz Cheney shows how intellectual giant she is.

    Ben (b1ce6e)

  21. “We should go ahead and say that torture and modern waterboarding aren’t the same thing.”

    Dittos.

    “Waterboarding is quite different. The effects are physically mild but terrifying to the person being “waterboarded.” Tht is why it is clasified as a “rough interogation method” not as “torture.””

    Dittos.

    Travis Monitor (cfa2f1)

  22. “How far we could go”
    Nora is a dolt for thinking that is a terrible thing.
    – the memos contradict COMPLETELY the leftist meme that USA ‘doesnt care about torture'; we were trying to NOT cross the line.

    This debate is all about 9/10 thinking vs 9/11 thinkng (and about phony, pathetic and evil leftwing Democrat gotcha politics, to punish Bush admin for making tough decisions in a difficult time fighting evil terrorists).

    Travis Monitor (cfa2f1)

  23. Dana,
    I am half expecting someone in the media or this administration to eventually apologize to the terrorists for us having driven them to beheadings and the like.

    Please don’t give them any ideas! 😉

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  24. You Amerikans are idiots.

    Discussing in public of your military tactics? CNN is making a fool of you all.

    Enemies of your people will surely say TORTURE on waterboarding. But they will be first one to think that waterboarding for your people is too LOUSY.

    Their tactic is KILL ALL AMERICANS AS BRUTAL AS POSSIBLE. No law at all. Wnen did it start? I guess this tactic started since time memorial.

    entoy (b1ce6e)

  25. Should be required viewing by all conservatives on how to not just accept the premise of a question, but to always be on alert and put a stop to an incorrect premise.

    It was actually satisfying to see the conservative side presented with counter-attacks instead of the typical conservative approach; to be on defense.

    Thank you Liz Cheney!

    Cranbone (9a454f)

  26. “You Amerikans are idiots. Discussing in public of your military tactics?”

    Can’t argue with that one.

    Dave Surls (e3df5f)

  27. People don’t read history. Some folks have an excuse I suppose–but people in the press who purport to understand and comment on politics do have an obligation to know at least one or two things that happened before the day they were born.

    WWII–especially in the Pacific–was savage, and involved a good bit of racial hatred on both sides (Whitey was a barbarian–the sons of Nippon were subhuman near sighted monkeys etc). There were numerous atrocities by the Japanese–beheading with a samurai sword was a bit of a sport for some Japanese officers where American, British or Australian prisoners were concerned. The Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking –burning prisoners alive in a POW camp–medical experiments on prisoners–all of these things happened. That led to a certain savage reciprocity by some U.S. troops, along with the idea that “the only good Jap is a dead Jap”. If you have to burn your opponent out of a cave using a flamethrower, your senses get numbed more than just a bit. And faced with the prospect of an invasion which would cost several hundred thousand U.S. lives, and several million Japanese lives, dropping an atomic bomb was an appropriate–and indeed live savign decision.

    Nancy Pelosi and a good bit of the left now have their tidy whities in a knot over some water on a cloth. I’m not saying that waterboarding isn’t necessarily brutal–but you survive it. People need to get a grip and have some sense of relative levels of violence. In a world where Saddam fed some of his victims to woodchippers, forced people to watch the rape of their daughters and wives, and where Mexican drug cartel lords dissolve their victims in acid–well water boarding’s not much.

    Mike Myers (674050)

  28. I don’t recall hearing Liz Cheney before either. Kudo’s to her for her being well prepared and articulate.

    Ira (28a423)

  29. I had the privilege of knowing Liz in college (Go CC!), and she’s always been a smart cookie. Way to go, Liz!

    Steve (559d40)

  30. […] Cheney smacks down Norah O’Donnell Warching the video I noted two things. First Cheney is very effective at not allowing the discussion to be moved away […]

    Liz Cheney smacks down Norah O’Donnell « The Daley Gator (9892f8)

  31. #5- Link please. and FYI, unauthorized taping of the meeting was prohibited.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  32. I watched this entire exchange live on MSNBC. It should be noted that the Cheney’s have a standing rule when booked that they appear alone, so as not to be challenged live on camera by an opposing authority, as duly noted by the following guest, Lawrence O’Donnell. The condition was acknowledged by ND as well. LD completely destroyed Cheney’s credibility on this topic. Personally, I gave her a pass on it for going to bat for Daddy.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  33. Ms. Cheney lied. She said that the torture techniques are tactics our own people go through in SERE training.

    Read the 2005 , 46 page memo. It is clear that prisoners were sleep deprived for 11 days. SERE training isn’t even that long. The ‘captivity’ part of SERE training is 24 hours. SeAL ‘hell week’, mostly without sleep, is 7 days. In contrast, we shackled these guys in a standing position for 11 days.There is nothing in the US military/intel services like that.

    horace (37aec4)

  34. If I’m a stockholder in a stockholder’s meeting, I’ll give myself the authorization to tape my meeting.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  35. Is this the lesbian? Too bad, she’s a handsome woman.

    horace (37aec4)

  36. #11- Apparently you didnt listen to him very well. Lawrence O’Donnell was accurate. Liz Cheney was going to bat for Daddy. The Nixon daughters did, too back in ’74. Understandable. And meaningless.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  37. Thank You Liz I am so sick of obama, holder, napalotano trying to destroy the United States and the media are help them. What hog factory do they think they will be working at if they destroy my Nation?????????
    God Bless America not the the foney fraud obama-holder-schummmmmmmmmmmmmer-dodd-kerry-kennedy-peloski-mathews-

    bobojake (9d1bb3)

  38. Wow, we need to hear more from Liz Cheney.
    I just love how she did not yield an inch or equivicate. She asserted right up front “this was not torture” and the program was a great success. You just know that liberal heads explode with that type of response, because they are sure that there is a “clear consensus” that this “torture” hurt the US far more than it helped. Idiots

    exceller (d9d2b3)

  39. DCSCA talking about others’ credibility … ah, the amusement value is very high.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  40. #36- No go, psycho. The BOD writes the rules. So if you’re pals with them and get elected to the Universal/GE board, present a proposal to stockholders to vote on to change it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  41. #5- Link please.

    Comment by DCSCA — 4/25/2009 @ 2:45 pm

    That’s rich, coming from you.

    Re: Ms. Cheney, I have the original, unedited tape of the rest of this MSNBC show, which I watched live via satellite feed. Lawrence O’Donnell kept screaming “fascist” at the camera with spittle flying everywhere.

    carlitos (f022c4)

  42. I see that horace and ASPCA are fluent in mendoucheous.

    JD (61e494)

  43. Ms. Cheney lied

    Hortense, you were called out on a prior thread by our host, who noticed your habit of not bothering to read the entailed links provided. I’d call you a mongoloid at this point, but that would be giving mongoloids a bad name.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  44. ACRAP is just trying to change the subject to material not in the video because he’s got no rebuttal to this suberb smackdown of a biased media spokescelebrity. Typical of his asshattery.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  45. The Cheneys are scared.

    Expect Darth, his family and/or spokespeople crowing from the Heritage Foundation soon to say, with a Nixonian accented echo, ‘If the vice-president does it, it’s legal.’

    Memo to Scooter: Hold of for the big bucks then write that book. You know the biz. A publisher will pony up $15 million sooner or later. When the check clears, do unto Dick as he did unto you. The pen is mightier than the sword.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  46. carlitos #43, were you in Libya at the time?

    LOD is a giant jerk. I don’t have the link handy but he was a bizarre person during his interview next to the late Cathy Seipp on the old Dennis Miller television program. An absolute vein popping bully. Cathy looked more amused than anything else.

    RIP.

    But the way that the MSM goes, it seems that opponents are not needed on shows anymore. The “journalists” play that role.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  47. #43- Yes, I’m certain the GE BOD would love to know who made unauthorized tapes of their stockholders meeting. Link away.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  48. EB, #12. People like LOD (and Ms. O’Donnell) could really learn a lot from watching the deft skills of Ms. Cheney in action. And the thought of that makes me chuckle because they are simply unable to not get caught up in the emotions and to not take it as a personal challenge and/or threat.

    Dana (d08a3a)

  49. Liz Cheney’s an “intellectual giant”, eh? You guys should put her on your ticket in 2012.

    Hee hee hee…

    Leviticus (f23a12)

  50. It should be noted that the Cheney’s have a standing rule when booked that they appear alone, so as not to be challenged live on camera by an opposing authority

    Link, please. (snicker) Otherwise, we might (giggle) question your (guffaw) credibility.

    Damn, I thought I could do that with a straight face.

    Steverino (69d941)

  51. You are right, Dana. Bullies come in all shapes and sizes…but Cathy Seipp handled him perfectly. It was delightful to see, and she remains much missed.

    It’s all about the feelings, again, to people like LOD and NOD. Facts aren’t as important to them. I think it is a weird form of narcissism.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  52. It’s an old conservative trick when in retreat; throw dust in their faces and keep running. If you can’t discredit the message, discredit the messenger. Some time, over the next year- or twenty– a wise conservative will arise, heed the words of Meaghan McCain and clean house. Cloning Buckley might be the acception to the rule for conservatives and evangelicals.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  53. Did anyone fart ? I could swear I smelled some DCSCA.

    Lynn Cheney is also very accomplished and that was her daughter.

    As to the subject of torture, in WWII Japanese soldiers ATE American and Australian POWs. Since they had no refrigeration, they would carve pieces of flesh from the POWs and then leave the victims alive so they could get a second helping. For doubters, it is “Flyboys” the book in which the author interviewed some Japanese Army veterans.

    This is a phony argument and the left knows it. Once somebody deposes Nancy Pelosi, it will vanish like a glacier in global warming.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  54. #52- Contact MSNBC. DC or LA offices. Or better still, contact L O’D in Los Angeles directly. His publicist is listed, Gomer.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  55. #55- He who smelt it hath dealt it, odoreater.

    Oh yes, and thank you for being one of the first conservatives to go on record acknowledging global warming in your post.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  56. Link away.

    Comment by DCSCA — 4/25/2009 @ 3:20 pm

    Perhaps it does not work with you to speak in less than direct terms. Let’s try this – you have a lot of nerve asking people for links, since you don’t post any!

    Is that clear enough for you? When you deign to link your Ronald Reagan space-ray movie, your “common slang terms” in London insurance offices, your Libyan hit squad, and your VHS upload of a man and his (NOT IN SKEWL!@) 2-year-old yelling fascist on CNN, then, maybe you can ask for a link here. Until then, you continue to be a liar who doesn’t merit serious response.

    carlitos (f022c4)

  57. Larry O’Donnell is comical to watch. His veins starting bulging and he looks ready to explode. He makes an ass out of himself and eventually is given a short “furlough” from his broadcasting duties.

    Norah O’Donnell? Who cares. She’s been demoted to MSNBC. Check out their viewership numbers. Bargain advertising rates on that cable station.

    And regarding the interview by Norah and Liz Cheney. Not much of a contest. Cheney in a TKO.

    jdflorida (cb54f8)

  58. Me thinks that “go find it yourself gomer” is not really a link. But that’s just me. Maybe there is an “acception” for certain posters :)

    carlitos (f022c4)

  59. No doubt when Liz Cheney watches ‘Magnum Force’, she roots for the traffic cops over Clint Eastwood, too. But then, it’s set in San Francisco, isn’t it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  60. Meghan McCain (I’m not sure who Meaghan McCain is) voted for John Kerry in 2004, which is hardly a Republican position.

    It is interesting how often folks on the Left are concerned with creating “leaders” for the Republican Party. First Rush Limbaugh, and now Meghan McCain? You would think they would want the Republican Party to lose any hope of a resurgence…oh. I see.

    I wouldn’t dream of suggesting changes in Pelosi or Reid. They are great spokespeople. In fact, I want them on television all the time.

    And Steverino? Better hop to it. Someone who doesn’t post links when challenged wants you to do some research. I think. Besides, you were called a juvenile name, and that sure put you in your place.

    Who is this guy?

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  61. #53- I think it is a weird form of narcissism. Let’s ask Glenn Beck, Boss Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity about that.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  62. #52- Contact MSNBC. DC or LA offices. Or better still, contact L O’D in Los Angeles directly. His publicist is listed, Gomer.

    You made the assertion, it’s up to you to back up your words. Think you’re up to it, nitwit?

    And Steverino? Better hop to it. Someone who doesn’t post links when challenged wants you to do some research. I think. Besides, you were called a juvenile name, and that sure put you in your place.

    Eric, I’m still reeling from the blow. I haven’t been so hurt since I called DCSCA’s mother a two-bit whore and she hit me with a sack of nickels.

    Steverino (69d941)

  63. “If you can’t discredit the message, discredit the messenger.”

    That’s exactly what Larry O’Donnell did in the following segment. He attacked Liz Cheney personally, rather than her message, exactly the way ASPCA whinges on about the personal characteristics of Limbaugh and Palin here rather than their positions. Old conservative strategy – bullshit.

    Any facts which LOD claims to bring up have already been debunked many times already on this blog. Hopefully nobody has a full stomach. For your viewing pleasure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYml6mHHqU

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  64. #62- Meghan McCain (I’m not sure who Meaghan McCain is) voted for John Kerry in 2004, which is hardly a Republican position.

    You mean a conservative position, Ugartti.
    Not all Republicans are conservatives. Those that aren’t are the right wings last link to reality.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  65. “He who smelt it hath dealt it, odoreater.”

    ASPCA – Wait, you were the one with his nose up Limbaugh’s butt.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  66. Steverino, that was wittier than “He who smelt it hath dealt it, odoreater.

    Actually, much, much funnier.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  67. Liz Cheney won the Nora O’Donnell interview in a TKO and survived the fatuous Larry (I fellate Keith Olbermann for Breakfast)O’Donnell rebuttal in a walk.

    MSLSD needs some new talent, but everybody knows that already based on their viewership.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  68. And the name thing, again (my favorite part is how this troll meant the misspellings!). I guess he was also intentionally insulting Meghan McCain as well.

    Tres mature.

    Go back to picking fights with Patterico. We all love to watch that, and how you become very civil suddenly. Sort of.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  69. #64- Hey Gomer, git yorself one of them there new telephonies up in Mt. Pilot and call them or watch the Lawrence O’Donnell segment yourself on the b/w teevee as he states it live on air and Nora O’Donnell acknowledges it and even chides him for bringing it up as a compromise MSNBC did for getting Cheney on the air. But then, that would involve some work on your part.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  70. “…that would involve some work on your part….”

    Okay, now that is just performance art.

    Cue Leonard Pinth-Garnell.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  71. It is a babbling buffoon, a fountain of fuckheadedness, a tsunami of stoopid.

    JD (61e494)

  72. I accidentally taped over my Betamax copy of Magnum Force when I recorded Larry O’Donnell yelling “fascist” so now I’ll never know how it ends. Let me guess, vigilante justice is conservative, like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, and therefore it’s OK to shoot cops? Or something.

    carlitos (f022c4)

  73. Von Braun would be so disappointed if he were alive to see this.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  74. Remember, carlitos, firstyou need to not do any actually posting of links, then accuse other people of not posting links.

    Then add fourth grade insults.

    THAT’s wordplay.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  75. But Dmac, this guy is WvB! There was a brain transplant involved.

    Eric Blair (33cc23)

  76. #65- Again, the Cheney’s are scared– or elitist. Otherwise, they’d not fear being booked along with someone else presenting an opposing POV. Clearly this is daughter defending daddy. Not unlike Tricia and Julie did for daddy Dick in 1974 before he resigned in disgrace because of Watergate. What party was he? Republican, of course. Personally, I give the daughters a pass on it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  77. EB, don’t forget, after all the wordplay and the assertions, you close with weasel words, like “If this is in error, I stand corrected.” That way, no matter what lies you tell, you are covered :)

    carlitos (f022c4)

  78. Memo to Scooter: Stay the course. $15 million from a publisher, then write the book. Do unto Dick as he did unto you.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  79. “Watergate.”

    Same old story. If FDR or Bobby Kennedy drop wiretaps on people…no big deal. If Nixon does it…crime of the century.

    Dave Surls (e3df5f)

  80. Just let the dumb fuck waste Patterico’s bandwidth with its inanities while we do not respond to it.

    nk (4b5c8a)

  81. This creep seems to be in grip of a manic depressive fugue state. I don’t respond to trolls but this one is a pretty poor quality troll. What is it with them and links ? Either they can’t figure out how to do it or their link doesn’t match the supposed point they are making.

    Come on ! We need better trolls !

    Mike K (2cf494)

  82. It should be noted that the Cheney’s have a standing rule when booked that they appear alone, so as not to be challenged live on camera by an opposing authority

    So that’s where Al Gore got the idea!

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  83. #81– and a very stinging story it is for Republicans.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  84. #85- The vast majority of the people of the United States dont trust Cheney, either. So there’s safety in numbers for you, psycho. But what a gift. By all means keep him out front, on camera.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  85. Good job Liz. Wish I would have seen it when it happened, but I don’t have CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or any of the other msm programmed to watch. I don’t even want to pass them with the remote when I watch something on the boob tube.

    Pam (169f97)

  86. “She said she wasn’t going to tell the hearing what she would advise the President and she didn’t know enough.”–Hillary

    I sure agree with the last part.

    Dave Surls (cde488)

  87. What the Norahs of the media ignore is that we are indeed seen as a beacon of light in a very dark world, but by people who the media adjudge as not cool or sophisticated enough to matter. Their opinions simply do not count. Only the opinions of the left matter.

    Ask an immigrant from Eastern Europe what they think of America. It would make you cry–and Norah cry, too, but maybe for different reasons.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  88. DCSCA #54, your comment is nothing but projection as it perfectly describes only your own behavior.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  89. #76- Then add fourth grade insults. They’re first grade. Only the best for you, Ugartti.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  90. Everything that was done in this program… are tactics that our own people go through in SERE training.

    Sorry Ms. Cheney and fans, we just don’t shackle ‘our own’ in a standing position for more than 96 hours, wearing nothing but an adult diaper.

    Cheney is trying to make a preliminary case to keep dear old dad out of the pokey, what’s your guys excuse for drinking the kool-aid.

    hortense (I like that!) (dcc326)

  91. Sorry Ms. Cheney and fans, we just don’t shackle ‘our own’ in a standing position for more than 96 hours, wearing nothing but an adult diaper.

    Cheney is trying to make a preliminary case to keep dear old dad out of the pokey, what’s your guys excuse for drinking the kool-aid.

    Comment by hortense (I like that!) — 4/25/2009 @ 7:51 pm

    Well it is tough preparing our guys for what they face at the hands of terrorists. There are no run throughs on beheadings. What did the Congressional Dems say when briefed on the tactics to be employed on three high profile Al-Queda leaders right before they funded the program, “is that going to be enough?”

    If Cheney ends up in the pokey, I hope Pelosi has a cell right near him. Perhaps a stint in prison will clear up her self induced “amnesia.”

    Mary (1dc631)

  92. Mary – I think Pelosi would be lonely in prison. I don’t think even her fellow inmates would be interested an any broom time with her.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  93. “Cheney is trying to make a preliminary case to keep dear old dad out of the pokey”

    LOL. Of course, lefties would love it if terrorist fighters were in Gitmo, instead of terrorists. Ain’t going to happen, though.

    Dave Surls (cde488)

  94. “Cheney is trying to make a preliminary case to keep dear old dad out of the pokey, what’s your guys excuse for drinking the kool-aid.

    You write this loony stuff and claim others are drinking kool-aid? That’s silly. There is nothing for which Dick Cheney could be indicted much less convicted with respect to the War on Terror. Pure nutball.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  95. “LOL. Of course, lefties would love it if terrorist fighters were in Gitmo, instead of terrorists.”

    Dave – The Editors of the N.Y. Times deserve to be in GITMO more, but there’s little chance of that happening.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  96. #64- Hey Gomer, git yorself one of them there new telephonies

    Hey, nickel boy, I don’t have to prove your words. That’s up to you.

    You lost all credibility when you tried to claim that Hawaii wasn’t US soil in 1941.

    Steverino (1b3695)

  97. Steverino: That’s when he lost all credibility? I thought he lost all credibility a long time ago.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  98. He had credibility?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  99. “Dave – The Editors of the N.Y. Times deserve to be in GITMO more”

    You got that right.

    “but there’s little chance of that happening.”

    All you have to do is elect me president.

    Dave Surls (cde488)

  100. Wow Liz Cheney is very impressive,
    take note conservative speakers,
    unflappable, clear, corrects incorrect
    assumptions, articulate and
    stands powerfully on principle.

    Dan (ff5a49)

  101. #37 horace — No, Liz Cheney is married to a man and has 5 children. Her sister Mary is the lesbian one.

    Joshua (bd624f)

  102. It’s unusual to see an interviewee remain so clear and resolute against a hostile interviewer. Is there a good House seat we can recruit Liz Cheney to run for?

    Joshua (bd624f)

  103. Liz Cheney for President

    Dave (d51df8)

  104. #106- She appeared alone as a condition for her appearence. She’d get sliced, diced and sauteed in a debate with an opposing authority– or candidate. But by all means, run a Cheney. Keep that name out there. What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  105. heed the words of Meaghan McCain and clean house

    A conservative that enjoys her time on The View and thinks Berkley is a great place isn’t exactly the standard bearer you might hope she is…

    Then again, you have no idea what goes on in a conservative’s mind, so I’m not shocked that you think Miss McCain is swell.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  106. She appeared alone as a condition for her appearence.

    You can, of course, prove that, yes?

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  107. No, Liz Cheney is married to a man and has 5 children. Her sister Mary is the lesbian one.

    Wow, that’s great. Guess it makes up for sis. I admire here filial piety, but think she and all you other Bush dead-enders here are deeply in denial. That said, I also think it was a mistake for Obama to release these things.

    hortense (aka horace) (dcc326)

  108. #108, DCSCA wrote: “She appeared alone as a condition for her appearence. She’d get sliced, diced and sauteed in a debate with an opposing authority– or candidate.”

    No, she’d get set up, baited, cut off, cheated on time, lectured at by the interviewer, and called a “b*tch” and a c*nt.” That’s how you boys roll.

    danebramage (700c93)

  109. Lawrence O’Donnell is an “opposing authority”? An authority on opposing things, perhaps.

    Jim Treacher (796deb)

  110. “She’d get sliced, diced and sauteed in a debate with an opposing authority”

    Let us know when the Democrats find one – they’re clueless.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  111. Jim Treacher is right. They oppose authority, so maybe they are an authority on opposing things.

    carlitos (f022c4)

  112. Wow, that’s great. Guess it makes up for sis.

    Hortense not only can’t read, but neither can he comprehend – another epic fail of our public school system. Take a bow, Hortense!

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  113. In 2007, McCain was adamant that waterboarding was torture. He claimed that Japanese were executed for their torture of US POWs including by waterboarding.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml

    Were the Republicans planning to elect him despite this stance, and then hoping he’d not do anything about it?

    Tommy (9cd9d4)

  114. Tommy, your comment is just an irrelevant logical fallacy. Try dealing with the actual arguments made.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  115. Tommy can you hear me?
    Tommy can you see me?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  116. Truly OUTSTANDING!

    Liz not only knew her facts stone cold but, she also studied the idiocy that would be whined about…that’s competency…THAT’S leadership!

    Have the RNC hire her to be their spokesperson AND to teach them what competency and leadership actually looks like.

    Congratulations for an outstanding performance and thank you Liz Cheney!!

    Chris (95b95b)

  117. She appeared alone as a condition for her appearence

    Continuing to repeat something doesn’t make it true, any more than continuing to clap will bring Tinkerbell back to life.

    Steverino (69d941)

  118. Steverino – Repetition of its standard 6-7 points is all it has in its quiver.

    JD (72cf0d)

  119. Beheading isn’t torture.
    It is the barbaric execution of a prisoner.
    Our troops have been tortured and then executed

    SteveG (02d951)

  120. “He claimed that Japanese were executed for their torture of US POWs including by waterboarding.”

    That’s not what he said. What he did say, as reported in that news story, is a lot of nonsense, but he didn’t say that.

    Dave Surls (a3d8ea)

  121. He claimed that Japanese were executed for their torture of US POWs including by waterboarding.

    Remember when I said the trolls linked to stories that didn’t prove their point ?

    Bingo.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  122. I’m voting Sarah Palin/Liz Cheney in 2012!

    George (d57b1d)

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  124. I think Liz took Norah out to the same woodshed where her Dad worked over John Edwards during the 2004 Vice Presidential debates.

    PC14 (82e46c)

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  126. patrick,
    what about banning dspca?A lot of content free comments.(I was impressed with his ability to bring in Clint EAstwood movies.)And aybe he’ll have to get off the couch and exercise a bit then.
    (But ,I’m serious.)

    Corwin (6b902c)

  127. Liz makes her Dad proud!

    Re Geneva Conventions and Torture – is anyone else tired of the way the Anti-Bush falsely claims that the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of prisoners ties a U.S. president’s hands?

    Liz’s one lapse was in implying that the ends – getting life-saving info from the bad guys – justified enhanced interrogation techniques. Rather Liz should have said that the claim that a U.S. President’s hands are tied by the Geneva Convention, regarding the treatment of Al Quida leaders, is absolutely false.

    The facts about treatment of prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention and about torture are:

    (1) The Geneva Convention relieves signatory states of having to treat the likes of K.S.M. as legitimate prisoners of war. Article IV very clearly states that warriors who do not represent a state, do not wear a recognizable uniform nor carry a recognizable flag, and do not abide by the Conventions themselves are not considered prisoners of war. O.B.L.’s guerillas, in civilian garb, displaying no flag, and who specialize in murder, in mutilating kidnapped civilians and in destroying buildings full of innocent civilians are not prisoners of war for purposes of applying the Geneva Convention.

    (2) Re Torture – Torture is defined by the “CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE
    and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
    Treatment or Punishment” passed by the U.N. General Assembly in 1984, and signed by 20+ member states, BUT, NOT SIGNED by the U.S. – not signed by the U.S. during the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, nor Bush II administrations. Must have been a convincing reason for the bipartisan refusal of U.S. presidents to stay clear of signing this convention on (so-called) torture. The Convention is too broad to be good law, and thereby too restrictive. In essence the Convention is a potential suicide pact for any signatory whose innocent citizens might one day become potential victims of un-uniformed, un-flagged terrorists.

    Abash (041c92)

  128. I am glad some truth was actually put out about this procedure.

    Stephanie (89b287)

  129. “BUT, NOT SIGNED by the U.S.”

    Signed and ratified, I’m afraid.

    http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9&chapter=4&lang=en#12

    Dave Surls (dd61e6)

  130. LIZ CHENEY FOR PRESIDENT. Smart, informed, passionate, courageous and needs no teleprompter.

    John Ben (42aed7)

  131. So our people won’t be tortured? Beheading is not torture? Wow. America, the once strong and mighty is quickly becoming America the pussy. Good grief.

    CC (4e0dda)

  132. BTW when has any of our enemies ever treated us according to Geneva Conventions?

    I do not know.

    Did Italy respect the Geneva Conventions?

    Michael Ejercito (7c44bf)

  133. It’s a good thing Norah had her producer in her ear to keep feeding her talking points. We don’t waterboard … to protect our men in uniform? Yeah, like they weren’t getting their heads chopped off before KSM was waterboarded.

    Stickeenotes (04d928)

  134. You’ve got to be kidding! Daddy’s little girl who got a job in the State Department because her father was V.P. defends daddy. What in hell does Liz Cheney know about torture? I don’t know why she was even interviewed.

    Gruzzly (893f4d)

  135. As always, Nora looks weak and not in control of the facts. Pretty face, emotional mind, as usual, NO real information prepared for this interview.

    Liz, command of the facts, in control, calm, spanked Nora like a little school girl.

    Why is Nora still on the that news magazine show?

    BW (1fc8a1)

  136. ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY???

    Nora destroyed that lying sack or trash.
    It’s so obvious the reason the Cheney Gang is out pumping this garbage is as a pathetic preemptive effort to keep him out of prison on war crimes.
    Only an absolute FOOL would be buying into this crap.
    Simply amazing.

    Vasso (f7a09b)

  137. Thank you for such an enlightening comment, Vasso and the rest of your drive-by friends.

    JD (a0720d)

  138. Vasso – Do you have a newsletter?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  139. All Vasso was really missing was a ZOMG !!!!

    JD (a0720d)

  140. Ah yes. Baghdad Bob-level delusion.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (14d6a1)

  141. By the way, Liz Cheney has also taken apart Lawrence O’Donnell on GMA, Donny Deutsch on MSNBC and Anderson Cooper on CNN, all covering the same ground.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (14d6a1)

  142. […] Cheney’s daughter also did a fine job of pwning another O’Donnell – MSDNC’s Nora – in a televised appearance late last month. On the […]

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  143. The Art Of War…

    ……

    The Art Of War (f67a5b)


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