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4/7/2009

Reality hits the Obama Express (Again)

Filed under: General — Karl @ 8:38 am



[Posted by Karl]

Pres. Obama is proposing and Congress is disposing of his “too much, too soon” agenda:

Congressional and administration aides agree that none of his three biggest agenda items is likely to achieve final passage before this fall.

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“There’s no question: It’s a lot,” said one administration official. “But he’s made the point that you’ve got to at least try to do this — and do as much as you can, now — because it’s all interrelated and all helps the economy.”

Obama has made that point, because his pollsters tell him to play on public ignorance.  However, there is little evidence that he has convinced a Democratic Congress that it is true.

Instead, Congress is undoubtedly looking at Obama’s unsustainable deficit spending proposals as a measure of how incremental any change is likely to be. 

Congress is also likely noticing that the recession is worsening, with potentially dire implications for our financial system, and that even the Obama team’s rosier assessments project almost eight percent unemployment in 2010.  They are noticing that Obama is currently a more polarizing figure than Pres. Bush was at this point in his presidency.  Accordingly, they are noticing that Obama’s left-wing economics are driving independent voters away from the Democrats in poll after poll.  It is not an environment in which Democratic members of Congress will want to stand for reelection in 2010.

In sum, it is not just the numbers in Obama’s budget that do not add up; the political calculations are almost as shaky.

–Karl

161 Responses to “Reality hits the Obama Express (Again)”

  1. Well, son, “It’s not what you know. It’s what they think you know.”

    They, of course, being who else but the millions of virtually illiterate Americans who might vote and might not.

    Economically, I just fear that after a few consecutive signs of recovery inflation is going to jump through the roof and deepen this thing for years. Basically, 2008-2014 could look a lot like 1976-1982. Maybe not, though. I guess we’ll see.

    Bad Outlaw (55dc4a)

  2. Don’t need to remind me of those years – truly terrible for everyone. And as for the Obama team’s strategy, this sounds a lot like the hallowed sales trick of “throwing up enough sh-it on the wall to see what sticks.”

    Dmac (49b16c)

  3. Over at Whitehouse.gov, there hasn’t been any legislation posted since mid-Feb. He makes nice speeches though. I get a tingle up my leg.

    carlitos (c834bc)

  4. Regardless of party or political persuasion, Obama’s election underscores the need for licensing for voting privileges. Sheesh, only the truly stupid couldn’t see this train wreck called the Obama Administration coming. Obama truly does depend on public ignorance and that is a huge danger to all of us.

    GM Roper (85dcd7)

  5. And no matter how the media ignore the Tea Party movement, I’m sure the White House is aware. Their last organizing campaign bombed while the Tea Party protests have mushroomed.

    I guess LA is not having one, so come on down to the OC!

    Patricia (2183bb)

  6. You needn’t worry: President Obama is taking his economic plans from another successful socialist leader:

    In the months-long run-up to the rocket launch, the country’s most important domestic problem – a chronic shortage of food – was not glossed over by state media. Indeed, it encouraged North Koreans to collect their own feces as fertilizer for state farms and to go to the countryside to help with crop preparation.

    I’m guessing that there are some interesting MOS’s in the North Korean army. Can it be said safely that socialism turns your economy to s___?

    The farmer Dana (3e4784)

  7. All of the interesting posters have been banned.

    Don Ovan (5b9f5e)

  8. Romer predicts negative -1.2 percent GDP growth for 2009, but said it would be back up in 2010, +3.2 percent, and +4.0 percent in 2011.
    Lifted from the link:

    “…She predicted unemployment would reach 8 percent in 2009, then would go down only slightly in 2010 to 7.9 percent.

    Then: 2011 – 7.1 percent; 2012 – 6 percent; 2013 – 5.2 percent.

    When asked, Romer said her projections were not in any way overly rosy…”

    Okay, how about overly periwinkle? I think the FDA needs to look into these stats released for public consumption. They certainly have a questionable aroma to them. And we all know that when your unemployment benefits run out you are not counted as unemployed in these numbers. People who earn their keep trying to determine the “real” numbers have guesses of actual unemployment in the mid to high teens, at minimum. But no one knows. So tell me again how useful these are as projections.

    allan (e5cecb)

  9. I admit it, I am wrong about everything I have ever posted. I don’t believe in these same old bullshit talking pionts I have been spouting for all these years. I admit that I masturbate to NBC and CNN news shows, and anal dildo myself when reading the Washington Post.

    JD (5b9f5e)

  10. Can it be said safely that socialism turns your economy to s___?

    Obviously a case of misguided fecal policy. I believe the NK named the oversight committee The Cooperative for Redistribution of Alimentary Production…C.R.A.P.

    allan (e5cecb)

  11. Comment by Patricia — 4/7/2009 @ 9:43 am

    Thought I saw on an Instapundit link that there will be a Tea Party in the Hermosa/Redondo Beach area
    (it seemed to be located in or around what used to be the aerospace industry south of LAX).

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  12. LAST ONE!! I promise. I read this thing early this morning and does it ever belong in any discussion on employment. From the keyboard of a newsletter writer named Howard Katz:

    President Obama has announced a series of programs to create jobs. I can only shake my head. Is it possible that there are people in this country who think that this is a desirable goal?

    I go back in history and read The Federalist Papers. The Americans of the 1780s were so smart. And here the Americans of the 21st century are so stupid. What happened to progress?

    First, we do not want to improve the economy to create jobs for people. We want to have jobs so that we can create wealth (improve the economy) and thus be better off. A job is a MEANS. It is the wealth which you create on the job which is the END. Politicians who engage in job creation do not understand this simple truth. For example, when FDR created jobs for people doing simple tasks which nobody in our society really wanted done, he created the outer form of jobs. These looked like jobs. The worker had an employer. He received a paycheck But the wealth represented by the paycheck was stolen from the remainder of the people by the government, and the “work” performed consisted of things that nobody really wanted done. It was a combination of stealing and wasting time. If the government had just stole the money and given it out, then it would have had the virtue of greater efficiency.

    Now with semi-sincere apologies, I will unceremoniously STFU and go away.

    allan (e5cecb)

  13. …and if you need supplies, here’s a source:
    http://www.patriotdepot.com/teapartypack.aspx

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  14. All of the interesting posters have been banned

    Nice try, but you’re not fooling anyone, Hacky Sack.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  15. Califano needs to open his mind up and look at intent ….

    yes Americans were afraid of “sovietization” of our kids …. and yet Califano says that didn’t happen.

    but it did and is happening …. but change the word “sovietization” to “teaching our future generations the religion of statism” … but then this started in earnest with Dewey.

    so Mr. Califano ….. you need to do your homework of history … and a better review of our current society.

    Clark (0e7b7f)

  16. Feces have been used for fertilizer in Korea for centuries. It was the first thing the troops noticed in 1950, the smell. However, given the diet, feces might be in short supply these days.

    Kim does provide an extra supply with his pronouncements, however.

    MIke K (8df289)

  17. Why do I have the sense that too many conservatives are getting into an attitude of “a continued bad economy is good for Republicans?” Isn’t this the same sort of thinking that scorched Dems in 2002 and 2004?

    If you’re thinking is this way, or if you think “Obama can beat us over the head, and there ain’t nuthin we can do about it,” please keep this in mind:

    In ’96, Bill Clinton’s party LOST two Senate seats after cruising to reelection.
    Reagan’s party LOST a total of TEN SENATE SEATS in ’84 and ’86, even though Reagan won 49 states.

    Take a look at how many Dem Senate seats are up in ’12, and stop wallowing in bad news.

    Brad S (9f6740)

  18. Comment by Clark — 4/7/2009 @ 11:50 am

    Change “Sovietization” to “Socialization”, and you have the current Ed curriculum.

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  19. Brad S – who are you arguing with?

    JD (1653ac)

  20. Now that the bloom is off The One, I guess we can all go out and buy one of these lovely gift items, available in two “colors” [sic]: Happy, or Determined.

    Official Internet Data Office (6eabda)

  21. Well, that’s one way to “green” the economy.

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  22. Sweet Jesus and the Orphans! That Amazon bust looks like a black Harpo Marx hopped up on chlorophyll!

    Dare we call it the “Chi-obama?”

    MarkJ (42fe5b)

  23. Brad S – who are you arguing with?

    Comment by JD — 4/7/2009 @ 12:17 pm

    My thought as well. No sane conservative American cheers or welcomes bad economic news. We know that Obama’s policies make a great deal of pain inevitable, however. And yes I realize that the MSM and left in general convinced a lot of folk that we were in full fledged recession from the beginning of the Bush Admin. to the end. That’s why I qualified the statement with the word “sane”.

    Chris (ca6340)

  24. Once again, per Twain, history rhymes rather that repeating itself.

    A similar scenario is spelled out by President Roosevelt in a series of articles he penned for Collier’s in 1941. The same phrasing and terms barked today by dogs on the right and hounds on the left. Roosevelt presented readers two paths to the future. It’s a good read. A thoroughly discredited road to ruin based on the history of the conservative agenda of the 1920s and the successful alternatives presented by progressives to right the wrongs of unchecked, unregulated capitalism.

    Fortunately, Americans chose wisely and rejected conservative principles then, as they have again today, regardless of how hard Boss Limbaugh, Master Gingrich or Grandma Palin try to say otherwise.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  25. ASPCA apparently could not find any new memes.

    JD (1653ac)

  26. Successful alternatives presented by the progressives?

    That’s pretty hilarious given how long the Great Depression was extended by Franklin Roosevelt’s failed policies, DCSCA. Yet another subject in which your assertions are completely contrary to fact.

    SPQR (72771e)

  27. I like to refer to them as asspulls, SPQR.

    JD (1653ac)

  28. Well, it is more descriptive, JD.

    SPQR (72771e)

  29. Ones like this one prove my theory that Leftist dictionaries and history books are actually blank, which enables them to simply make things up as they go along.

    JD (1653ac)

  30. I agree with JD. If it weren’t for those leftists making up their own history books, we would have all of the world’s problems solved.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  31. Let me be clearer: If it weren’t for all of the lefties telling us how bad it was at the end of the Bush presidency, everything would have been fine. Everything was absolutely peachy, but the lefties pretended it wasn’t and America agreed. Why? Americans are idiots… after all, they (we, I guess) voted for Obama.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  32. Thank you, Jeffrey, but that went quite a ways further than my point.

    JD (1653ac)

  33. None of which I suggested, Jeffrey. Things were not peachy, and everything was not just fine.

    JD (1653ac)

  34. Whoa, Jeffrey, no strawman is safe from you, eh?

    SPQR (72771e)

  35. I’m just saying that the world’s problems only really show their faces when people talk about them. If those stupid dumicrats didn’t talk about all the things they think went wrong during Bush’s presidency then there wouldn’t have been anything wrong. Self-fulfilling prophecy, you know?

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  36. You are going to have to do a better job fleshing that argument out please, Jeffrey. Because, on its face, it seems rather silly. We did not need the lies and distortions from the Leftists to know that problems existed.

    JD (1653ac)

  37. I’m just glad I’m on the right side of the argument. It seems weird to me that of the two extremes, only the leftists are the ones that lie. I wonder why that is. I mean, logically it simply doesn’t make sense.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  38. Whoa, another two strawmen die ignoble deaths.

    SPQR (72771e)

  39. Erect strawman. Pour gasoline. Torch said strawman. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    JD (1653ac)

  40. Exactly. Why is it that just the leftists do that?

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  41. Why is it that sourced material all seems to be biased? Why is it that we are the only people with the monopoly on good, honest information? I wish I knew the answer to that. If I did, I would be a very rich man.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  42. Jeffrey – I believe that you speak with way too broad of a brush.

    JD (1653ac)

  43. Can you think of a single source that is not biased to the left other than our standard sacred sites?

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  44. What is this sacred BS? I smell a Moby.

    JD (1653ac)

  45. In sum, it is not just the numbers in Obama’s budget that do not add up; the political calculations are almost as shaky.

    Given congress’ poor approval rating, should we conclude that it is congress that is making “shaky calculations,” rather than the very popular Obama?

    Andrew (eb353f)

  46. It does not have to be either/or, Andrew. Both is an acceptable answer.

    JD (1653ac)

  47. I just don’t understand why people on the left don’t understand that their arguments are wrong and way off base simply because they are on the left. They should know this by now. I guess we need to do a better job with this on sites like these. I know you guys don’t usually link to many sites and dismiss counterarguments out of hand, but that is not enough. We need a concerted effort here… nobody can link to anything whatsoever. If somebody comes up with a good counterargument, complete with a source they claim is unbiased, just tell them that the source is biased based on the definition that anything disagreeing with our position is biased. I know that this type of thing is our usual MO on here, but I’m tired of the dilly-dallying. We need to stop pretending that we care about facts.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  48. At this point, the strawmen genocide is becoming a war crime.

    Seriously, Jeffrey, leave the sarcasm to the experts.

    SPQR (72771e)

  49. Moby

    JD (1653ac)

  50. No, JD, I interpret Jeffrey not as a Moby but just as someone who is OD’ing on sarcasm.

    Not very original sarcasm either.

    SPQR (72771e)

  51. If somebody comes up with a good counterargument, complete with a source they claim is unbiased, just tell them that the source is biased based on the definition that anything disagreeing with our position is biased.

    This is the crux of my argument. I think we should focus on this. This must be our mantra (actually it always has been our mantra, only unspoken… but now we must scream it from the proverbial mountaintops!).

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  52. I don’t care to scream from mountaintops myself … too much work climbing up mountainsides, especially out here in Colorado. Do you have any idea how little oxygen there is at fourteen thousand feet, Jeffrey?

    SPQR (72771e)

  53. Not as little as there is at 29,000 feet, SPQR. Somebody plucked from sea level would die in minutes at that altitude.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  54. Old Jeffrey may be the most astonishing troll to leave a slime trail around here in a while.

    Here’s some advice and you can take it back to Kos with you: You may think conservatives are stupid — that’s fine — but, most really aren’t.

    And, by the way, tell your mom I said hi.

    Ag80 (d205da)

  55. There are no twenty-nine thousand foot tall mountains in Colorado, Jeffrey.

    SPQR (72771e)

  56. What is Kos? I am new to the blogging business. Is that a lefty site? It must, obviously, be biased if it disagrees with us. Are you trying to trick me into going to one of those garbage sites?

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  57. Very good, Sir. There are not. Actually there is only one 29,000 foot mountain.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  58. Jeffrey:

    Wow, such wit and wisdom. And irony, too. We’ve never seen anything such as this around here before.

    I guess we’ll have to go to the conservative version of journolist and figure out how to respond to this Einstein of political satire.

    We all stand in awe of the way you use what you think conservatives would say to show us how ignorant we are. My God, that’s never been done before!

    Thank you for the enlightenment. Please post more.

    What did your mom say?

    Ag80 (d205da)

  59. Jeffrey – That may be your mantra, spoken or unspoken. It is most certainly not “our” mantra, spoken or unspoken.

    JD (1653ac)

  60. Clutch, Ag80, clutch.

    Okay. So our first response will be that any site displaying facts that disprove our memes is biased. Our second response (thanks, AG!) will be to bring up disparaging remarks about a person’s mother (or family). Very good! I like the ideas guys, keep ’em coming!

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  61. SPQR & Ag – The only things it lacks at this point are claims that it is a concerned Christian conservative voter, and that it voted for Bush, twice.

    JD (1653ac)

  62. JD: Actually, yes, it is your mantra (spoken or unspoken). That is why this site has been rid of many lefties. They don’t post here because they can’t actually post any information with any success (thank God!). Every time they post anything the site is claimed to be biased because it disagrees with our pre-conceived ideas/ideals.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  63. Jeffrey, the act got old after the first comment.

    SPQR (72771e)

  64. Jeffrey – I do not think that all Leftists are dishonest, just the ones like you. I also do not think all sources are biased. Those are constructs that exist only in your head. I smelled this from your first comment, and I suspect that we have seen you before, prolly under multiple other names.

    JD (1653ac)

  65. JD: I am not a lefty. Perhaps you have missed that part in every single one of my posts.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  66. You can scream that from the mountaintops, but I ain’t buyin’

    JD (1653ac)

  67. *sigh* I guess you are calling somebody on the right a liar? Ohhh nooo! Denounce yourself! Denounce yourself! None of us ever lie! We are all sages and white-cloth (to show our innocence) wearing truth tellers!

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  68. But, Jeffrey, you weren’t making any points. You just posted here to make fun of people you don’t know, but disagree with politically.

    And, what did I say about your mother? I was commenting on your maturity more than your mother’s morals (as loose as they may be).

    And besides, you posted in this forum as a jerk. Then, when you’re treated as a jerk, you get defensive and say that’s what you would expect from someone who disagrees with you.

    Post something substantive, and you might get surprised by the response.

    Trolling as if you’ve just a discovered a new way to make people look foolish is dumb, but I suppose it makes you look cool to your friends.

    What a putz.

    Ag80 (d205da)

  69. No. I have read other posts on this site, and those on the left were all treated the same way (exactly as I said they should be treated… so, good work, guys!).

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  70. Ag – We have seen this one before. For whatever reason, they think changing their name and claiming to be a conservative will make them something other than what they are. They are sad pathetic cowards, recognizable from the get-go.

    Karl – In the host’s absence, do you have access to see what this one has posed as previously?

    JD (1653ac)

  71. You guys just appreciate sarcastic humor. Like movies or radio skits about assassinating the president, the cool, ironic delivery flies right over your limbaugh-addled, closed-minded conservative brains. Fools.

    carlitos (8e9826)

  72. No, AG. What makes me look cool to my friends is voting conservative…. that and winning arguments without facts or logic. That makes them super impressed. What can I say, I learned from the best. You guys are very very good at it.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  73. Jeffery, #67, nope, obviously you have not read enough posts on this site. We have several liberal commenters here who argue in good faith and are treated with respect, even treasured for their contributions.

    Unlike you, as your act got old awhile ago.

    SPQR (72771e)

  74. Great. Thanks for stopping by. We’re all better for your insight.

    Ag80 (d205da)

  75. Er, You guys just *don’t*appreciate sarcastic humor.

    carlitos (8e9826)

  76. Wait, I need to get out my super-secret decoder ring and get in touch with Rush and the snowbilly to see what I am supposed to think today. BRB …

    JD (1653ac)

  77. Judging by a few of his comments, I suspect he’s already been banned here.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  78. No. None of the commentators you claim to be from the left or liberal are left of center, they are just left of us… that is why they are tolerated (my advice guys, seriously… don’t tolerate them! They are socialists/communists/fascists/whatever the current buzzword is for them!

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  79. Jefferey said:

    No, AG. What makes me look cool to my friends is voting conservative…. that and winning arguments without facts or logic. That makes them super impressed. What can I say, I learned from the best. You guys are very very good at it.

    You’re a super cool dude that has a way with the words. I’m with you, baby. Let’s stick it to these Rethuglicans.

    By the way, you’re doing great. You haven’t made a point, yet. Woohoo! We win!

    Ag80 (d205da)

  80. Rethuglicans? No! Dumicrats, silly.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  81. You fascist conservative christians banned all of the intelligent left-of-center posters. All of the liberals post awesome links to back up their arguments, and you act like they don’t exist. As a longtime liberal poster here, I recognize your authoritarian tendencies. You cannot tolerate dissent.

    carlitos (8e9826)

  82. I would venture a guess as to its prior pseudonyms, but that would just give it more attention than it deserves.

    JD (1653ac)

  83. Exactly! See, Carlitos is pretending to be a liberal. Granted, he may be to the left of me (you should see how much I hate muslims, guys. I really hate ’em. And, I only tolerate black people if they have money… you guys would really be proud of me in action) but he is still miles and miles to the right of center. That you all believe Carlitos is a liberal just shows that you have been doing an excellent job of supressing any contact with any facts or people in general who disagree with you. Good work, fellas!

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  84. Nothing says “take me seriously” like muliple pseudonyms.

    carlitos (8e9826)

  85. I don’t mind sarcasm if there is a bit of originality and creativity in it.

    None here.

    SPQR (72771e)

  86. A little over-simplified math for the Obamamanics out there:

    National Debt in 2016 if Obama has his way — $20 trillion.

    If average interest rate on bonds making up that debt is 5%, then annual debt service to holders of bonds is $1 trillion.

    Obama budget proposal for 2010 — with no TARP and Stimulus money since that is in this year’s budget — $3.6 trillion.

    So, in 8 years, the debt service paid by the federal budget will be around $1 trillion — our about 14% of next year’s total spending.

    Shipwreckedcrew (7f73f0)

  87. Originality and creativity are in the eye of the beholder, SPQR. One would not expect that the butt of one’s joke is going to find that joke amusing. I understand that you don’t find it funny. I would not expect you to find it funny. The truth hurts.

    Ah hem. What I meant to say is that creativity and originally is not something that us right-wingers have to worry about. Those words sound too much like facts, which is another thing we don’t really need.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  88. It took longer than usual to trot out the racist meme.

    JD, please come denounce yourself.

    It really is amateur hour with this one.

    Thanks for playing. What do we have for the ladies, Johnny? (I know, I’ve used that one before.)

    Ag80 (d205da)

  89. Jeffrey is a bigoted racist.

    JD (1653ac)

  90. I can’t believe you guys really think Carlitos is a liberal. I read all of his posts on this thread and the other ‘hot thread’. None of his comments suggest that he is even close to a liberal. You fellas really are dull, ain’t ya? No matter, I’m just glad our positions don’t require logic or facts to argue. Good for us, right?

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  91. It is the textbook definition of a Moby.

    JD (1653ac)

  92. “Is this the right room for an argument?”

    Ag80 (d205da)

  93. Performance art, to entertain itself.

    JD (1653ac)

  94. It’s got to be DCSCA. Anyone want to wager?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  95. Is Jeffrey also a scratch golfer and expert fly-fisherman?
    He wouldn’t happen to be involved in Int’l Trade also?

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  96. I would take your bet, Stash, that it is not. I would bet on someone banned a good while ago.

    JD (1653ac)

  97. I think DCSCA was banned before as well. I think Jeffrey is just another one of his socks (also, it’s someone who doesn’t like you much… notice the initials?). Whaddya say? $10 to Patterico’s from the loser? 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  98. You are on. I agree that it is someone banned previously, and I agree with your point on the name. I just think it is someone else.

    JD (1653ac)

  99. Whaddya say? $10 to Patterico’s from the loser?

    Maybe we should start a pool.

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  100. Q. How do you make a fruit cordial?

    nk (fb872a)

  101. I think DCSCA was banned before as well. I think Jeffrey is just another one of his socks (also, it’s someone who doesn’t like you much… notice the initials?). Whaddya say? $10 to Patterico’s from the loser? 😉

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 4/7/2009 @ 5:53 pm

    Dunno who it is, but didn’t we get “i like america/covariance” bragging here to JD the other day about how we’ll never know all the alts he uses (after posting as someone else and forgetting he’s not supposed to know the former’s gender)?

    The many alts being a (re-)banning offense, BTW.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  102. To be fair, Stash. I emailed someone earlier with my suspicions, and it is someone who is either new, or has not been around for several months. I suppose they could be using something that changes their IP addy, but I do not know the techinical terms for that, a randomizer possibly? At any rate, not fair for me to accept the bet without disclosing that I have info not available to all. ;-). Having said that, ASPCA has a completely different tone.

    JD (1653ac)

  103. Ok JD, I’ll email Patterico and ask. I was going to list 5 or 6 things that I believe gave him away as DCSCA and/or a Moby, then decided that teaching him what to avoid wasn’t worth it. You spotted him as a Moby quick enough, that’s for sure. Nicely done.

    I’ll ask Patterico to check the IP’s and let us both know the results.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  104. How do you make a fruit cordial? Do you agree with it?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  105. Comment by JD — 4/7/2009 @ 6:12 pm

    No problem, I still think it’s him. If it wasn’t Patterico you emailed, the bet is still on. He’s very good at spotting socks when he wants to. :)

    I emailed Patterico, so we’ll see what comes up. If it’s not the same person, I’ll even state “You were ri…” (one sec) “You were rig…” (hold on, I can do this) “You … weren’t wrong.” (ok, I’ll say it correctly if the time comes.) 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  106. I just wanted to be open and honest and transparent with the information I was working from, Stash. I have a pretty good nose for smelling out this type.

    JD (1653ac)

  107. How do you make a fruit cordial? Do you agree with it?

    Comment by John Hitchcock — 4/7/2009 @ 6:18 pm

    Just read a Mark Steyn column that used almost that same joke to make a point about free speech. Had you seen that one too? Steyn’s columns are always good imo.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  108. Actually, noyk, I was trying to answer nk’s question above, and repeated the question.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  109. Stash / JD, I need both of your emails, because I think I know who it is. As a bonus, I think i found 2 of his aliases. JD – can ya text me? I’ll put up $10 to patterico’s as a show of good faith win or lose.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  110. nk – be nice to him.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  111. Roosevelt presented readers two paths to the future

    Right, and of course Roosevelt was a god of immense proportions, and saved the country from utter ruin with his ginormous spending programs. Just one problem – his Tres. Sec’t (Morgenthal) completely repudiated the same programs after he was safely out of office. He also admitted that the programs definitely extended the depression by at least four years. Try again.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  112. Be gentle boys.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  113. Stash / JD, I need both of your emails, because I think I know who it is. As a bonus, I think i found 2 of his aliases. JD – can ya text me? I’ll put up $10 to patterico’s as a show of good faith win or lose.

    Comment by carlitos — 4/7/2009 @ 7:05 pm

    Can’t wait to find out who this troll is. :)

    Comment by John Hitchcock — 4/7/2009 @ 6:59 pm

    Gotcha – thanks. Here’s that Steyn column BTW. His stuff is awesome.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  114. Derek Lee – harmless pop out to first in clutch situation against LaTroy Hawkins. Shades of Frank Thomas.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  115. Thanks Carlitos,

    My email is my screen name at gmail dot com.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  116. Hey guess what people, after 200 plus years the United States is no longer a Christian nation. Change!!!!11!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxydsjtdVFA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgatewaypundit%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

    Mr. Pink (0ee368)

  117. Ted Kennedy threw out the first pitch today at Fenway. He looks pretty healthy. I hope that he leads a healthy long life. I can’t imagine having a brain tumor – I have several friends fighting cancer and i wish them all well.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  118. Notice how teh krazy has come around only when Patterico is gone?

    JD (b7daf6)

  119. #24- Glad you find ending the Great Depression hilarious, spork. However, that conservative talking point was discredited months ago by actual historic record and President Roosevelt addressed that very sour conservative-fueled dip in the 1941 articles.

    Silly, silly, spork. 1+1= 2, not 11.

    Now you have two homework assignments- find Reagan’s inspiring serial and read President Roosevelt in Collier’s.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  120. It is a babbling lunatic.

    JD (b7daf6)

  121. Last time verner von i-know-everything was here, I asked about the weird equation. I don’t remember the answer, but it isn’t especially helpful.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  122. More importantly, was Obama bowing to the House of Saud or simply sucking royalty off?

    Jimminy'cricket (637168)

  123. Know-nothing socialist Obama is doing the opposite of what’s necessary to end the recession. Only the profoundly ignorant can have faith that his run away spending will do anything but make things worse. The Obama recession will last throughout his presidency- even without the attack his sickening weakness is inviting.

    Terry Gain (6de19d)

  124. This one likes its “joke” about the Empire State Building and the ant. Nothing original.

    JD (b7daf6)

  125. #110- A God? FDR? Squawks from a parroting mind. It remains amusing that conservatives continue to rewrite history in a vain attempt to obliterate the success of the Roosevelt Administrations at saving the United States from the cancer of conservatism. To be sure his Cabinet was a mix of lessers and often at odds with policy– and left in the dark on purpose. And some times wrong. Read Lincoln. Or better still, David Stockman.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  126. If only yours minds were as fevered as ASPCA’s, you would appreciate its brilliance.

    JD (b7daf6)

  127. I watched the movie, DCSCA. Your mother and John Holmes were great.

    nk (fb872a)

  128. DCSCA, your ignorance of the history of the Great Depression and FDR is no surprise. It is indeed the consensus of economists that FDR’s policies added years to the Great Depression.

    As for FDR’s cabinet, in fact FDR allowed Henry Morganthau to float a proposed policy of razing Germany to the ground post war, a proposal that probably cost thousands of lives as it emboldened Nazi diehards.

    Once again, in a single comment, you illustrate two different ways in which you are ignorant or misrepresent the topics on which you incompetently opine.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  129. Hey, ASPCA talks to astronauts, in his mind. He tunes in their frequencies through the fillings in his teeth. Dan Rather did the same thing.

    “What’s the frequency Ken”

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  130. Ginga Dan, fine figure of a man that newsman.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  131. hey spork, y = mx + b.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  132. I originally thought ASPCA was Mary Mapes, but he turned out to be too stoopid.

    Read Gibbon on the Roman Empire lads, everything you need to know about life is in there!

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  133. #127- Spork, no matter how many time Master Gingrich, Boss Limbaugh or Grandma Palin tell you, in the real world, 1+1=2, not 11. Switch off the talk radio and pick up a history book.

    Read Roosevelt in Colliers. He was President, not Morganthau.

    Read Reagan. He was President, not woodshed Davy Stockman.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  134. Woof, woof

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  135. DCSCA, your incoherence continues. Gingrich, Limbaugh nor Palin tell me that FDR’s policies extended the Great Depression, economists do.

    You see DCSCA, unlike you, I actually do read history. Try Fleming’s “The New Dealers’ War” for discussions of how FDR’s mismanagement of WWII cost thousands of lives – Morganthau’s public pronouncements being just one example.

    You are utterly incompetent DCSCA.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  136. More importantly, was Obama bowing to the House of Saud or simply sucking royalty off?

    The video linked below puts a small, yet very telling, matter in better perspective.

    It would have been a case of misguided etiquette if the guy now in the White House, as the official representative of the United States, responded in a particular manner (bowing) to royalty from both Europe (ie, the Western world) and the Middle East (ie, the Third World, or variations thereof). But that he was following correct protocol in the former case — with the Brits — but not the latter, means his behavior cannot be tossed aside and excused as that of a person who’s merely innocent or prone to a variety of faux pas.

    This brings to mind the well-documented gaffes of George Bush. But with one major difference. I don’t believe any of them could be seen as sort of a hidden message, as a bit of a Freudian slip.

    But, no surprise, since when it comes to the current occupant of the Oval Office, what do you expect when he not only bowed to, but kissed the butt of a guy like Jeremiah “Goddamn-America” Wright?.

    Mark (411533)

  137. Well, I’ve lost count how many times DCSCA has been exposed as a fraud.

    Its almost getting boring to do, it is so easy.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  138. I believe that DCSCA is the natural byproduct of 1) the British penchant for a vitamin-free diet and 2) “a phase” that all English school-boys go through but some never come out of.

    nk (fb872a)

  139. #134- Meg Sullivan vs. Paul Krugman?

    Never bring a knife to a gunfight, spork.

    Floundering conservatives, struggling like the 1962 Mets to get any runs on the scoreboard, will pitch any woo at the wall to see what sticks.

    Face it, ya screwed up for 30 years and the good people of the United States– and the world have finally wised up ad cut y’all adrift on the sea of change– and it ain’t ‘Goldwater.’

    Accept rescue or follow Master Gingrich, Boss Limbaugh and Grandma Palin and sleep with the fishes.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  140. It just repeats the same comments over and over and over and over. It does not actually read or respond to any questions posed of it. I vote for performance art.

    JD (b7daf6)

  141. It just repeats the same comments over and over and over and over. It does not actually read or respond to any questions posed of it. I vote for performance art.
    Comment by JD — 4/7/2009 @ 9:28 pm

    Turing test for ProgressiveBot v2.1?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  142. LOL, Stash. I wonder if it wanders the halls muttering “Rush, Newt, Palin” under its breath.

    JD (b7daf6)

  143. ALPO for ASPCA, good puppy.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  144. Well, I missed the majority of this thread, but I think incrementalism was his goal in the first place.

    “They’ll never know what hit ’em.”

    One day we will wake up and we will have no free choice left.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  145. The last choice remaining before the Totalitarian dawn:
    Center-hold, or a 6-o’clock hold?

    AD - RtR/OS (8d1dbc)

  146. Patricia, ditto. Frogs doing the slow boil and realize too late the gig is up. What a shame.

    Dana (d08a3a)

  147. Can’t be the real jharp, he didn’t insult brain damaged babies.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  148. Back to the actual topic of the post…

    Dem pols are scared to death that the Marxist in the WH’s policies will be the ruin of their careers, nevermind their desire to destroy this country in order to save (remake) it – they have to pretend to be responsible. (Congressional Black Caucus excepted.) The administration, Congress and Drive-Bys also can ignore the tea parties all they want but hundreds of thousands – at least – will be roaring next Wednesday. Let them ignore this movement until it runs them over. We are mad as hell, we are not going to take it anymore, and it’s not a cliche. Dems and spendy Republicans SHOULD be scared to death.

    Peg C. (48175e)

  149. Patricia, there is a Tax Day Tea Party in Santa Monica at the pier at 3 p.m. That’s not downtown but it’s “L.A.” I wish I still lived there but I’ll have to make do with the Tea Party at Duchess Stadium in Fishkill, NY (one of the towns PETA tried to demand be renamed, by the way, again proving the idiocy and ignorance of lefties). We expect a few thousand to attend.

    Peg C. (48175e)

  150. Can’t be the real jharp, he didn’t insult brain damaged babies.

    He also didn’t claim to own an incredibly successful international import/export business, own an enormous home with a front yard approximately the size of three football fields, have a brood of genuius and insanely intelligent children, and oh yeah, he also plays golf 365 days/year.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  151. Ironic that it shows up when it does though. Last night’s infestation did not have the right tone for harpy, he brings more anger and vitriol (see above). I forgot how little I missed harpy, and how happy I am to cancel out his vote.

    JD (8e9826)

  152. “genius”

    Dmac (49b16c)

  153. My guess, for the record:

    Ed from PA = truthnjustice = Jeffrey Diamond

    JD spotted the disingenuous posts right away.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  154. I think you could add in i like amerikka to that list.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  155. DCSCA #138, when Krugman actually published something peer reviewed on the topic debunking the claim, then you can cite him. Failing that, we’ll note this as just the latest instance in which your fantasy world conflicts with reality.

    SPQR (72771e)

  156. I thought jharp was banned?

    AD - RtR/OS (4f0edf)

  157. He was – don’t know how he’s posting here again.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  158. After the media did such a good job of p[rotecting him during the campaign, from any form of real vetting, isn’t it obvious Obama just assumed they would be able to continue same if he won?

    Well it’s not true, you cannot hide when everyone has a camera phone.

    bill-tb (26027c)

  159. Glad to hear about the other tea parties. Do you suppose the LAT will cover any of them? :)

    Patricia (2183bb)


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