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10/14/2008

Nobody Yelled “Kill Him” About Obama at a McCain or Palin Rally

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:54 am

Everyone in the country seems to think someone yelled “Kill him!” at a McCain/Palin rally, about Barack Obama. It’s just not true.

The “Kill him!” phrase was originally reported by the Washingon Post — and it was clearly yelled about William Ayers and not Barack Obama.

I quoted the relevant language in this post:

“And, according to the New York Times, he [referring to Ayers -- P] was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, ‘launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,’” [Palin] continued.

“Boooo!” the crowd repeated.

“Kill him!” proposed one man in the audience.

That is unambiguously a call to kill Ayers, not Obama. As TNR writer Michael Crowley said in a comment to this post of his (h/t L.N. Smithee):

I took “kill him” to mean Ayers–not Obama. It’s just a far, far likelier explanation given the context. That’s still an ugly thing to shout–but on the other hand Ayers probably would have gotten the death penalty had his bombs actually taken a life. If I thought people were actually yelling that about Obama I would feel very differently.

Indeed. [UPDATE: Dana Milbank, who originally reported this, agreed. According to a Politico blog entry: "Milbank said that his impression was that the man meant Ayers, not Obama." Thanks to "no one you know."]

And yet outlets across the country are reporting that the man yelled “Kill him!” about Obama. For example, the New York Times reported:

Crowds in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have repeatedly booed Mr. Obama and yelled “off with his head,” and at a rally in Florida where Ms. Palin appeared without Mr. McCain, The Washington Post reported that a man yelled out “kill him.”

The implication is clear that “Kill him!” was yelled about Obama. This implication is made explicit in an article from the Associated Press:

The Secret Service confirmed Friday that it had investigated an episode reported in The Washington Post in which someone in Palin’s crowd in Clearwater, Fla., shouted “kill him,” on Monday, meaning Obama. There was “no indication that there was anything directed at Obama,” Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told AP. “We looked into it because we always operate in an atmosphere of an abundance of caution.”

Like many AP articles, this article has been reprinted in numerous publications, leading to the widespread myth that someone yelled “Kill him!” about Obama.

Incidentally, the stories are also reporting that someone yelled “Off with his head!” in reference to Obama. I’m not sure why I should believe them, since they’re lying about the “Kill him!” phrase. But let’s accept that as true for the sake of argument, and put this single isolated incident of a yelled threat to Obama in context. I have an isolated incident of Obama supporters threatening the life of someone on the McCain ticket, too. Obama supporters yelled Let’s stone her, old school!” outside a Palin rally, about Sarah Palin.

Oh, the ugliness of the left!

Ah, you say, but there has been widespread ugliness on the right, going beyond a single random call for violence against Obama. We’ve seen people calling Obama an “Arab” (not really an insult, but never mind that) or a “terrorist” or a “liar.” And you guys on the left don’t do ugly stuff like that, right?

Wrong.

We have the plethora of insults and booing of McCain at Obama rallies, including screaming that he is a “liar”; the ugly and profane T-shirts about Sarah Palin; and much more nasty and violent behavior from the left.

That’s the point I was making in my post yesterday, in which I wrote a story about the ugliness of the left in the same style as the media has been writing stories about the ugliness of the right.

We on the right have our random fringe lunatics, and so do you on the left. Stop pretending you’re better.

There’s only one difference between your fringe lunatics and ours: the media reports about ours.

UPDATE: I have a couple of commenters suggesting that this happened in Scranton as well. Not according to the Secret Service.

UPDATE: Now, the mythology of the lying left would have it, they didn’t just scream “Kill him!” referring to Obama (which itself never happened) — they even screamed “Kill Obama!”

But then, truth and “Retardo” were never too well acquainted.

173 Responses to “Nobody Yelled “Kill Him” About Obama at a McCain or Palin Rally”

  1. I gotta say, you’re a lot more confident than I about who the “kill him” was directed at.

    From what I can tell, Bill Ayers is nowhere more popular right now than in Republican circles. Nobody on your side of the aisle wants him dead — you all want him alive, healthy, and standing by Obama’s side talking about how he hates America.

    I highly doubt the audience wanted to kill Ayers. They want to use him as a tool to keep Obama from being elected. And as a tool to work themselves up into a frenzy about what an evil person Obama is.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  2. Remember, Phil. We do not want to kill Bill Ayers. He is not a minority. We only want to kill, jail, torture, and otherwise oppress minorities.

    JD (f7900a)

  3. It’s a lovely theory you have, Phil, and it fits your narrative perfectly. There’s only one thing in the way: the facts. Palin was talking about AYERS at the time the guy yelled that phrase.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  4. There’s only one difference between your fringe lunatics and ours: the media reports about ours. How True, how true. Even now, Mark Foley’s replacement, a Dem, is found to have been engaged in a sex scandal much worse than merely sending emails, but including an actual affair with a staffer and huge $$$ pay-outs to her to keep her quiet. Old Media’s response? I think I hear crickets chirping….

    2008 will be remembered in History books (provided the history books are written with some semblence of balance) as the year Journalism in America died. I used to look up to journalists, I thought they really tried to be objective and fair. Now they merely remind me of lawyers advocating for their cause, supporting their “client” Der Obama-Fuhrer. Zig Heil! To me, most journalists are slime-balls hawking the “One’s” liberal talking points ad nauseum.

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  5. SO glad to see this get its own post. Thanks Patterico.

    It does make a difference about whom it was yelled.

    Not because it’s OK to want to kill Ayers (even though he’s an unrepentant terrorist he still has the right to live).

    But because it takes the teeth out of those who inanely compare Obama to MLK (gag – the former isn’t fit to tie the latter’s shoes): “See? See? the racists want to kill him!!!”

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  6. I guess it’s not even worth it at this point to outline the multitude of Kill Bush “artistic” fantasies that have been propogated by the left over the past eight years -let’s see…two films about the assassination of Bush, and a play on Off – Broadway as well. All three performances received favorable reviews in the NYT, quel surprise.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  7. There’s only one thing in the way: the facts. Palin was talking about AYERS at the time the guy yelled that phrase.

    I challenge you to show me a time that Palin has ever talked about Ayers outside of a description of Obama. She’s always saying “Obama has friends like Bill Ayers, who is xxxxxxx.” If someone yell’s “kill him!” after a comment like that, you can be pretty sure who they’re talking about.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  8. I gotta say, you’re a lot more confident than I about who the “kill him” was directed at.

    Well, Dana Milbank, who, as you know, is a staunch liberal, reported in the Washington Post that it was right after a lot of comments about Ayers, and Milbank later told Politico that he thought Ayers was the subject of the shout.

    I highly doubt the audience wanted to kill Ayers.

    You’re right, Phil, since only ONE person yelled it, with no support from the crowd.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  9. I would go one step further:

    The difference between the loons on the Left and the loons on the right:

    We ostracize our loons: the Left considers theirs just “a guy in the neighborhood.”

    Jim B (95a401)

  10. Phil – I don’t think anyone here actually believes Obama is “evil.” We do, however, KNOW that he is a liar, a (not-so-in-the-closet) extreme Leftist, a race-baiter…and the list goes on…

    I can understand that your politics require that you defend these things, but the rest of us aren’t required to shut our eyes to reality of Barack Obama…We leave that to the “reality-based community” to which you belong.

    Jim B (95a401)

  11. Phil,

    here’s the original Washington Post article by Dana Milbank.

    The Huffington Post carried an article later that said, way down in the article, that Dana Milbank had given an interview to Politico in which he said he thought that Ayers was who the shout was about. Will dig up the link if you don’t believe me.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  12. I’m not saying I know the shout was about Obama. I just don’t understand how Patterico can be so sure the shout was about Ayers and not Obama.

    Anyway, be honest — without ACORN and Ayers, where is McCain’s campaign right now? Seriously.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  13. I love it when the race-baiting Phil has to backtrack from his absurd positions.

    JD (f7900a)

  14. Remember the “Spam” song from Monty Python? We need one for “Trolls,” I think.

    Eric Blair (02cc16)

  15. I love it when the race-baiting Phil has to backtrack from his absurd positions.

    And I love it when you make stuff up. My initial post said “I gotta say, you’re a lot more confident than I about who the “kill him” was directed at.” So I’m not changing position at all, just reminding people here what my position is.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  16. I challenge you to show me a time that Palin has ever talked about Ayers outside of a description of Obama. She’s always saying “Obama has friends like Bill Ayers, who is xxxxxxx.” If someone yell’s “kill him!” after a comment like that, you can be pretty sure who they’re talking about.

    Does this, or does this not mean that you are “pretty sure” that they (actually it was one person) were talking about Obama?

    JD (f7900a)

  17. So when people call for Gov. Palin to be stoned, old school, they really just mean that she should be smoking a joint?

    JD (f7900a)

  18. #10 Jim B.:

    I don’t think anyone here actually believes Obama is “evil.”

    On the contrary, I very much do believe that he is. Unwittingly, perhaps~but he is actively agitating for change to a political system eerily similar to those that we saw in the last century of the last millenium that resulted in so many millions of people dead and millions of others reduced to abject poverty~where million upon millions of people are still enthralled today!

    Sorry, but if that doesn’t fit your definition of evil, I think you ought to get your meter recalibrated.

    EW1(SG) (da07da)

  19. We have egg and troll, egg sausage and troll, troll egg sausage and troll, troll troll troll sausage and troll, troll troll troll troll troll troll troll egg and troll.

    I'm Geekier (f8c3f9)

  20. Is there not a clip on Youtube or anywhere that carries this story, so we can decide who “Kill him” was meant for? Anyone? Seeing is believing.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  21. lovie – Even the reporter that reported on this, the moonbat Milbank, says the individual was referring to Ayers. So does the Secret Service. Everyone except you and the media know that.

    Now, get back to aborting or stoning Gov. Palin.

    JD (f7900a)

  22. As far as I know there was no tape, which is what allows everyone to be so sure that it happened in a way that most favors their preferred candidate.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  23. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 7:55 am

    Not that I’m aware (I agree that would be great), but Patterico’s indented quote above, and Dana Milbank’s account in the Washington Post (even more detailed about the context), give a very similar account of exactly what was said and in what order.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  24. I challenge you to show me a time that Palin has ever talked about Ayers outside of a description of Obama. She’s always saying “Obama has friends like Bill Ayers, who is xxxxxxx.” If someone yell’s “kill him!” after a comment like that, you can be pretty sure who they’re talking about.

    Comment by Phil — 10/14/2008 @ 7:14 am

    In your hypothetical question, you’re right to say you can be pretty sure who they’re talking about.

    Ayers.

    Even Dana Milbank thought that.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  25. As far as I know there was no tape, which is what allows everyone to be so sure that it happened in a way that most favors their preferred candidate.

    Comment by Phil — 10/14/2008 @ 7:58 am

    At least we can agree on that.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  26. FWIW – I just picked up tickets to take my daughters to see Gov. Palin speak on Friday afternoon.

    JD (f7900a)

  27. Most of our fringe don’t hold office either

    EricPWJohnson (47b9ab)

  28. CW – There is no reason to agree with that. The contemporaneous record is clear that the individual was referring to Ayers. The Secret Service came to the same conclusion. To assume otherwise is at best, dishonest.

    JD (f7900a)

  29. I just don’t understand how Patterico can be so sure the shout was about Ayers and not Obama.

    Cue Mulder from the X – Files: “The truth is OUT there!”

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  30. JD, reading Millbank’s story, it’s not hard at all to suspect the the “kill him” was referring to Obama:

    In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  31. Nobody yelled “kill him” about Baracky. One crazy old lady called him an Arab, which is technically partially true. I have not seen where anyone has called Baracky a terrorist.

    JD (f7900a)

  32. Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 7:57 am
    Even the reporter that reported on this, the moonbat Milbank, says the individual was referring to Ayers
    Why do you like to refer to “moonbat” liberal sources when you want to defend your candidate? I thought they are unreliable and “evil” people who tell nothing but lies. But now you run to them for cover. Shameful.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  33. JD, reading Millbank’s story, it’s not hard at all to suspect the the “kill him” was referring to Obama:

    Nothing you go on to quote had anything to do with Obama. Why is simple basic honesty so difficult for you?

    JD (f7900a)

  34. “…just reminding people here what my position is…”
    Comment by Phil — 10/14/2008 @ 7:46 am

    Phil, we’ve known what your position is from your first post here, and it’s not pretty to look at.

    Another Drew (767298)

  35. Dana Milbank is a moonbat. So, by your standards, when a moonbat reports something that does not fit your narrative, you can simply ignore that and create your own.

    When did boy become racist? Is girl racist?

    Racists.

    JD (f7900a)

  36. This singular issue is enough to bury McCain this year. The more people get to know this the more it will help to sow doubts about the McCain/Palin ticket. It’s not pretty. It’s turning people off. Another big problem for the Republicans.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  37. The dishonest of the media and the Dem supporters is the singular issue that is enough to bury McCain. You are right, the rhetoric of you and your fellow travelers is not pretty. I do not see how your bad behavior is bad for the Republicans, but I guess you have the media to clean up for you.

    JD (f7900a)

  38. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

    Phil, I gotta say, you’re a lot more confident than I about who the “sit down Boy” was uttered by than I am. I have seen enough leftish trolls trying to impersonate conservatives to be suspicious of this. They always end up impersonating the strawman-conservative they have in their own heads. It reminds me of the guy who worked for the Canadian HRC who went all over the internet spewing hatred trying to get someone join him in the invective … to prove how hate filled the Right is. People are people and loons are loons:

    We on the right have our random fringe lunatics, and so do you on the left. Stop pretending you’re better.

    There’s only one difference between your fringe lunatics and ours: the media reports about ours.

    So true.

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  39. I don’t see the value of trying to debate trolls. They have a tape running in their head and no amount of logic is going to change it.

    It’s now coming out why Obama did not want the Annenberg records exposed. Afrocentric education will certainly get black kids off the street and into good jobs.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  40. This is a video link. Not clear what was said here. Still searching.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  41. This singular issue is enough to bury McCain this year. The more people get to know this the more it will help to sow doubts about the McCain/Palin ticket. It’s not pretty. It’s turning people off. Another big problem for the Republicans.

    Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 8:13 am

    We’ve repeatedly pointed out the innumerable vile things said about John McCain and Sarah Palin. For example, the t-shirts that say “Sarah Palin is a ___” or “let’s stone her.”

    And you are silent as a fart in church.

    But no less malodorous.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  42. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 8:29 am

    Have watched that video. There is no video of the shout or of the comments immediately leading up to it. Thanks for keeping on with your search though. Will be glad to see it if you find it.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  43. Comment by CW Desiato — 10/14/2008 @ 8:31 am

    silent as a fart in church
    You are sick. Is that what you go to church to do? To fart? Sick!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  44. Anyway, be honest — without ACORN and Ayers, where is McCain’s campaign right now? Seriously.

    McCain’s platform is doing pretty well in Harlem, it seems. There’s a Howard Stern video linked at Insty and Mike K’s sites that has some Harlem interviewees very agreeble to “Obama’s” support of pro-life and staying the course in Iraq. And to boot, they had no problem with his choice of VP Sarah Palin.

    I don’t think you guys have any idea what you’re up against trying to ‘talk’ the issues to the Obama crowd. They don’t need no stinkin’ issues…

    allan (dca148)

  45. Phil –

    You ask where McCain would be right now without Ayers and ACORN, but the question would better be posed:

    Where would OBAMA be without Ayers and ACORN?

    1) Barack’s legal career consists of using the legal system to extort money from banks on behalf of ACORN
    2) Obama’s “community organizing” consisted of working with ACORN to train race-baiters and agitators a la race-hustler, proven liar and corporate extortionist Al Sharpton.
    3) Countless states are reporting massive voter fraud by ACORN, so how many LIVE voters will actually be voting for Obama? (Keep in mind that polling is adjusted based on reported party registration numbers, so the fraudulent registrations are skewing the poll numbers toward Obama as well.)
    4) Without Ayers, Obama would never have been the head of the Annenberg Challenge, been on the board of The Woods Fund, or have been introduced to the local political elite in his district as the successor for the retiring state Senator whose seat he eventually occupied. Obama would still be hustling research in the back office of the “Wall Street firm” where he started.

    So tell me again how this is a problem for MCCAIN?

    Jim B (95a401)

  46. For more information of
    “OBAMA and ACORN”, see

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122394051071230749.html?mod=djemEditorialPage.

    Another Drew (767298)

  47. Did you see the woman who called him an Arab? She looked like a total kook and wasn’t speaking well, so I think she was either mentally unstable or very, very old.

    Of course, that was never mentioned.

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  48. Comment by Patricia — 10/14/2008 @ 9:29 am

    Careful, Patricia, with the “old” comments.

    Another Drew (767298)

  49. “There’s only one difference between your fringe lunatics and ours: the media reports about ours.”

    No Patterico.
    There are two differences.
    McCain/Palin/Schmidt are deliberately targetting “low-information voters”.
    I presume you have the IQ and g to understand the implications.

    griefer (71e45d)

  50. For those of you neither as bright or wellread as Patterico……..just one word.

    Weimar.
    google it.

    griefer (71e45d)

  51. Nishitiot – go away. Peddle your hate somewhere else. We have already seen all of your memes before.

    I think Stern found Baracky’s low information voters.

    JD (f7900a)

  52. griefer – There’s only one difference between you and a real person: morals.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  53. Comment by griefer — 10/14/2008 @ 9:45 am

    Please, tell me the address of the “Cabaret”?
    I hear the show there is to die for.

    Another Drew (767298)

  54. The contemporary Republican Party:

    No misdeeds exist that can’t be rationalized away!

    Which phase of the grand plan to “restore honor and dignity to the White House” does extra-judicial killing fall under?

    Metacom (b8c7e2)

  55. Metacom, no doubt, supports stoning or aborting Gov. Palin.

    Damn racist pilgrims.

    JD (f7900a)

  56. Many people feel Obama is “evil” – in terms of his intentions toward the USA (not to mention toward Israel – see NY Post article today – Jesse Jackson, self described Obama family friend).
    To overlook who his asociates are & what they believe and his history (ACORN, etc.) is to purposfully be blind to evil deeds, past, present and potentially in the future.

    C. Kidman (785795)

  57. Comment by Metacom — 10/14/2008 @ 10:05 am

    Gee, where do I go to sign-up for one of those “extra-judicial” killing squads?

    That sounds like sooooo much fun!

    Another Drew (767298)

  58. Phil, in an earlier post:

    I do appreciate the switch to discussion of actual policies for a change, rather than guilt-by-association character assassination.

    Phil, in this post:

    it’s not hard at all to suspect the the “kill him” was referring to Obama:

    I wish Phil would review his past commentary for once in his life before submitting his next noxious screed.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  59. #57
    Total BS. Complete nonsense. But keep hacking.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  60. Dmac – He does not need to read his own posts, as they are only loosely rooted in reality to begin with.

    JD (f7900a)

  61. Nothing will get in the way of metacom’s narrative. Nobody here is defending or explaining away or rationalizing a shout from a crowd to kill Obama. The issue is the doubt that the shout was ever made. But most of the media is reporting it as a fact.
    If it was a shout to kill Obama’s terrorist friend, Bill “The Bomber Ayers” I condemn that. But it is a different thing than shouting to kill Obama – which if it happened I also condemn. The news media is hyperventilating over something that may never have happened but is yawning about similar things from the left. The reason is because those on the left have good intentions of course and are better.

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  62. Nobody here is defending or explaining away or rationalizing a shout from a crowd to kill Obama.

    quasimodo – FWIW, there was no shout from the crowd to kill Obama. That is a Leftist creation.

    It was wrong to yell about Ayers too. He will receive his Judgment at the appropriate time from God.

    JD (f7900a)

  63. Love2008, please explain where #57 is wrong and what makes it nonesense.

    I know plenty of reasonable intelligent, level headed people who would say that Obama is evil. he may not be, but it is what they think, right or wrong. And they all can articulate why they think that. Opposition to the baby born alive legislation even after it had the provisions he demanded is an act of evil. Character often determines actions so it is not unreasonable to believe him to be evil because of his evil act. That bill certainly falls within “intentions for the USA.”

    Associations also speak to a person’s character – unless you are reform minded. I have not seen any evidence that Obama ever tried to reform Wright, or Ayres, or Acorn, etc. There is demonstrably the appearance (at a minimum) of evil in all of those. So, Love2008, Where is # 57 in error?

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  64. Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 10:24 am at #63

    I better re-read my post, I did not intend to say there was a shout with that message. That’s what I meant by “The issue is the doubt that the shout was ever made.”

    How easily we are misunderstood, even by friend. it is no wonder that real effective communication has stopped.

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  65. I’m glad someone is finally going after the substance of the CAC. Ayers is red meat for the right. The substance of CAC wins independents, where the remainder of the race will be fought.

    Bel Aire (2fd7f7)

  66. quasimodo – I understood what you were attempting to say, but every time that the dishonest assertions from the Left are answered in any way but pointing out how dishonest they are, it gives fuel to the fire. There should be no substantive discussion of this topic, outside of pointing out that the Leftist are making shit up.

    JD (f7900a)

  67. McCain/Palin/Schmidt are deliberately targetting “low-information voters”.
    I presume you have the IQ and g to understand the implications.

    Comment by griefer

    Generous of you. I would like to know the secret code M-P use to sort out the “low information voters.” Is it subliminal ? You also might take a look at my blog for some “low information voters.”

    The CAC will win independents if they agree with Afro-centric history. “Sun People” vs “Ice People” and all that. That’s where Wright comes back into play. I’m all for informing them and letting them decide.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  68. I realize the GOP is currently running a platform of Celebrate teh Stupid.
    So it is likely that McCain/Palin/Schmidt is just operating on the prime directive of winning uber alles…….since we can be reliably assured that Team McCain knows absolutely nothing about the neurolingistics of crowd/flash mob dynamics.
    They are simply targetting “low-information” (read low-IQ) voters in live rallies.
    Probably someone explained that to McCain so that is why and Palin walked it back….before the mob beat up a bunch of those biased media elite news crewes.

    griefer (71e45d)

  69. What about the love expressed toward the McCain Palin march in Manhattan?
    http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/13/new-york-experiment/

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  70. It’s rather ironic that someone who criticizes the GOP for celebrating “teh Stupid” is incapable of writing a grammatically correct sentence.

    Mike LaRoche (48910a)

  71. Governor Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. Every newspaper seems to quote her saying that, but that was from a SNL skit. Sure, she has said other things equally dumb, but not THAT. Journalism is really not that hard.

    Wesson (f6c982)

  72. Mike LaRoche – Ironic, yet consistent. It thinks that text code translates to IQ. It also claims to have an IQ of 140+, yet manages to not have one single solitary original thought, and is an endless playback loop of about 8 memes. The one it is spewing today is #6. Wait, and you will see the others emerge.

    JD (f7900a)

  73. Sure Mike K
    it isn’t exactly PC,
    but “low-information” voters is code for low-IQ voters.

    griefer (71e45d)

  74. Sure wish we could get a comprehensive listing of all of those Code-Words.

    Another Drew (767298)

  75. AD – Do not ask it questions …

    JD (f7900a)

  76. AD – Directly engaging it is the rhetorical equivalent of feeding a Gremlin.

    JD (f7900a)

  77. Sorry, I was thinking out loud.

    I denounce myself for being rational.

    Another Drew (767298)

  78. Thank you for the explanation, griefer. Is that the latest theme in the Axelrod seminars ?

    The hysteria is growing on the left, even with EJ Dionne, who is nominally a devout Catholic. I think it may get really ugly as the race closes in the last three weeks. The ACORN story is now getting some traction and may be the sort of thing that impresses independent voters.

    I expect the race card to get really explicit as the Wright story cmes back with the CAC disclosures and, if Rezko starts spilling his guts and it affects Obama, all bets are off on racial harmony.

    Jesse Jackson is doing his bit for racial harmony, as only he can.

    the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

    He promised “fundamental changes” in US foreign policy – saying America must “heal wounds” it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the “arrogance of the Bush administration.”

    The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.

    Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

    That should help.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  79. They are simply targetting “low-information” (read low-IQ) voters in live rallies.
    Comment by griefer — 10/14/2008

    The posters I’ve seen in the past in Philly say, “Pull the big lever with the “D” on it.”

    Even though the signs were within blocks of the UPenn campus, I thought they were aimed at others, like many of those who went to public schools becausae they did not have the choice of going to private schools, like many Democratic politicians who oppose school choice vouchers.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  80. “before the mob beat up a bunch of those biased media elite news crewes.”

    Too funny.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  81. Complete coverage: Palin concludes Scranton speech

    Chris Hackett addressed the increasingly feisty crowd as they await the arrival of Gov. Palin.

    Each time the Republican candidate for the seat in the 10th Congressional District mentioned Barack Obama the crowd booed loudly.

    One man screamed “kill him!”

    We on the right have our random fringe lunatics, and so do you on the left. Stop pretending you’re better.

    The difference is yours aren’t the fringe, they’re the base.

    mantis (28b676)

  82. Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades

    …said the well – known race – baiter, who once called New York City the hallowed “Hymietown.” Jesse Jackson – he not only hates whites, but jews, too!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  83. Mantis seems awfully late to the party – but he sure knows how to cut and paste to achieve maximum duplicity. Way to go, Trolly!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  84. Here is another example of Obama people threatening the opposition. How can the Obama volunteer make such an accusation without a tape ? And where was the Secret Service when assassination plays and movies were being promoted. If he is elected, the First Amendment will be in serious jeopardy.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  85. MD – to “griefer” a low-information or low-IQ voter is anyone not voting for Baracky.

    JD (f7900a)

  86. Yes, complete coverage, Mantis-

    One man screamed “kill him!”

    Supporters have been noted shouting “kill him,” “terrorist,” “off with his head” and other equally incendiary terms about Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. Others have directly suggested Mr. Obama is a Muslim, which he is not, or a traitor. Some comments even drew rebuke from Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

    Other than the lone man, there were no other such outbursts

    One person out of a cheering crowd is not the base. The reference within the story is to other tales, some of which are urban legend already, not truth.

    I would think a good journalist would be able to locate someone whose voice is so distinctive above the background noise. I would like to know if the person is someone who plans on voting for McCain/Palin, or the equivalent of all of those fainting young ladies that Obama provided water for. Come on, YouTubers, let’s see a clip in action.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  87. One man screamed “kill him!”

    I call BS.

    The difference is yours aren’t the fringe, they’re the base.

    praying mantis was staring into a mirror while typing this.

    Mike K – Look at Barcky’s use of prosecutors and law enforcement officials in Missouri to stifle freedom of speech.

    JD (f7900a)

  88. One person out of a cheering crowd is not the base. The reference within the story is to other tales, some of which are urban legend already, not truth.

    Nice try. The video’s don’t lie.

    I would think a good journalist would be able to locate someone whose voice is so distinctive above the background noise.

    And some have been located from past events, but you try finding the person behind the voice in a crowd of 10,000+.

    mantis (28b676)

  89. Yes, JD, thanks for the clarification but I realized that. I was pointing out that in my area the campaign posters for the Dems were the ones that appeared to be geared to the less literary among us.

    Mike K, I don’t understand the problem. People make movies about how to kill President Bush and it is applauded as a bold adventure in film. One person is misquoted by an Obama supporter in order to give some grief and everyone is up in arms.

    I guess it meas that if you want to threaten the president and get away with it, do it publicly, with a budget, and make sure it is a Republican President… (sarcasm)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  90. So, in mantis’ world, since it is too difficult to identify a lone voice in a crowd, it is fair to smear any and all Republicans for the alleged words of one.

    There is video of someone making a death threat against Sen. Obama? Provide a link, right after you call the Secret Service and report it to them. Their prior findings fly in the face of your assertion.

    JD (f7900a)

  91. Has Ayers ever canceled the “war on Amerikka!” that he declared? If not, is his career as an educator, education planner, and Obama backer merely a long-term practicing of “politics is war by other means”?

    htom (412a17)

  92. Oh, if I can distinctly hear 1 voice among 10,000 I should be close enough to ask “Who said that?” and see where people point.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  93. So, in mantis’ world, since it is too difficult to identify a lone voice in a crowd, it is fair to smear any and all Republicans for the alleged words of one.

    In the world you’ve invented for me, maybe. I know plenty of Republicans who are embarrassed by the McCain/Palin spectacle and the base of lunatics supporting it. I never said a word about “all Republicans”.

    mantis (28b676)

  94. I have this terrible foreboding that the Culture War that Pat Buchanan warned of here in 1992, is about to consume us, and that at some point, we will gather to listen to a leader remind us that “…we are engaged in a great civil war testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, can long endure…”.

    http://www.buchanan.org/pa-92-0914.html

    Another Drew (767298)

  95. htom- Speaking of video, there is some of Sec. of Education-to-be Ayers speaking to a crowd in Venezuela, congratulating Chavez for doing a great job of getting rid of “capitalist education”. “Viva la Revolucion!!”

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  96. This singular issue is enough to bury McCain this year.

    But eight years of assassination fantasies about Bush should have no impact on Obama’s fortunes, right?

    Rob Crawford (6c262f)

  97. mantis – You referred to these individuals that allegedly yelled something as representative of the base of the Republican party. Now, the base is lunatics. Yet, you have failed to provide anything but your unfounded assertions, and wild speculation. But, I have seen you on other blogs. I know this is actually the best we can expect from you.

    JD (f7900a)

  98. “Anyway, be honest — without ACORN and Ayers, where is McCain’s campaign right now? Seriously.”

    If you throw Wright in there, you could almost say that McCain had a legitimate competitor for the office.

    But Wright, ACORN and Ayers are a big part of Obama’s personal and political history and can not be separated from the man or the candidate.

    As it stands, the image of Obama that has been carefully constructed over the past two years by himself, his campaign and the sycophantic MSM is beginning to fall apart.

    Dr. Dean (695f35)

  99. I know plenty of Republicans who are embarrassed by the McCain/Palin spectacle and the base of lunatics supporting it.

    There are, of course, as many Democrats embarrassed by the Obama/Biden circus and the base of lunatics supporting it.

    Rob Crawford (6c262f)

  100. You referred to these individuals that allegedly yelled something as representative of the base of the Republican party.

    Well, more accurately the base of McCain/Palin support. The sentiment is common among them, as evidenced by several unedited videos of those waiting in line for rallies, and my own experience with anyone who is excited about the McCain/Palin ticket (I’ve met plenty who are not excited about the ticket, but will vote Republican anyway – they are not the base, and they don’t attend rallies). As for the “allegedly” part, it’s on video. Again, nice try.

    mantis (28b676)

  101. There are, of course, as many Democrats embarrassed by the Obama/Biden circus and the base of lunatics supporting it.

    Keep telling yourself that, all the way to election day.

    mantis (28b676)

  102. Show us the videos, mantis. Until then, we will continue to assume that you are pulling shite from your arse.

    JD (f7900a)

  103. Show us the videos, mantis. Until then, we will continue to assume that you are pulling shite from your arse.

    Who am I, your guide to the internet? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? Oh sorry, you probably only look at right-wing blogs and porn.

    The Scranton rally today was on the local NBC station at least. I’m sure we’ll have video soon. But I’m sure if no one personally sends you a link, it doesn’t exist, right?

    mantis (28b676)

  104. ‘The “Kill him!” phrase was originally reported by the Washingon Post — and it was clearly yelled about William Ayers…’

    Good. I agree with that. I have no tolerance for people who set off bombs at government buildings, and I have no tolerance for traitors who make war on our country in order to destroy it and replace it with a communist dictatorship.

    Both ought to be punishable by death.

    Ayers is a terrorist and traitor, and richly deserves to be put to death.

    Dave Surls (957163)

  105. Re the “kill him”, etc. comments at McCain/Palin rallies – these cries are more than likely being shouted by Plants of the Obama campaign.

    Lee (a54511)

  106. Who am I, your guide to the internet? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? Oh sorry, you probably only look at right-wing blogs and porn.

    You make the claim and then it’s your responsibility to provide the evidence backing the claim. It’s not the responsibility of others to do the research you’re too lazy to do.

    Rob Crawford (6c262f)

  107. 1:25 p.m.

    Chris Hackett addressed the increasingly feisty crowd as they await the arrival of Gov. Palin.

    Each time the Republican candidate for the seat in the 10th Congressional District mentioned Barack Obama the crowd booed loudly.

    One man screamed “kill him!”

    http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt

    Not so hard.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  108. Rob – Evidence of its assertions do not exist. It is making shit up.

    JD (f7900a)

  109. Rob – Evidence of its assertions do not exist. It is making shit up.

    Chris Hackett addressed the increasingly feisty crowd as they await the arrival of Gov. Palin.

    Each time the Republican candidate for the seat in the 10th Congressional District mentioned Barack Obama the crowd booed loudly.

    One man screamed “kill him!”

    Supporters have been noted shouting “kill him,” “terrorist,” “off with his head” and other equally incendiary terms about Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. Others have directly suggested Mr. Obama is a Muslim, which he is not, or a traitor. Some comments even drew rebuke from Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

    Other than the lone man, there were no other such outbursts.

    Other than the lone man, that the reporter was close enough to hear amongst all of the screaming frothing masses, but unable to identify or document. All the rest of the assertions are based on reported/fictionary events that may or may not have happened in the past.

    JD (f7900a)

  110. First this –

    The video’s don’t lie.

    Which was immediately followed by this understandable reaction:

    Show us the videos, mantis. Until then, we will continue to assume that you are pulling shite from your arse.

    Which received this all – too – common response:

    Who am I, your guide to the internet?

    Apparently you are not aware of the rules of engagement here – either provide definitive proof of your accusation, or else admit that you’re just trolling for dollars. It’s not our job to prove your defamatory accusations posted here. Either put it up immediately, or else admit the obvious. End of story.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  111. “Keep telling yourself that, all the way to election day.”

    Braying mantis – It might have something to do with the 18 million people who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries and the way Obama limped to the finish line there.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  112. How many times must one assertion be debunked in the same thread?

    JD (f7900a)

  113. You make the claim and then it’s your responsibility to provide the evidence backing the claim. It’s not the responsibility of others to do the research you’re too lazy to do.

    I have no interest in collecting links for a bunch of wingnut McCain/Palin supporters who are completely oblivious to begin with, though it would almost be worth it to see you waste your time watching and defending each and every single-helix Palin supporter so far caught on tape. But alas, I’m a bit too busy now. Just happened to see Patterico’s post at the same time someone was screaming for Obama’s head again, and found it rather amusing.

    mantis (28b676)

  114. #106 Treason is in fact punishable by death. Ayers is the typical limousine liberal who turns his hate for his mommy and daddy against others. He reminds me of all the hippies and anarchists where I went to college. They were inevitably rich kids who could afford to rebel and play “commoner” for a couple of years.

    Bfidler (e6db0a)

  115. I have no interest in collecting links…

    Translation: you’ve got nothing.

    Rob Crawford (6c262f)

  116. that the reporter was close enough to hear amongst all of the screaming frothing masses, but unable to identify or document.

    It’s amazing, isn’t it? Our courageous reporter miraculously “hears” the lone voice out of thousands, but then cannot identify said screecher. Wow, what are the odds of that ever happening among the MSM?

    Well,, more accurately the base of McCain/Palin support. The sentiment is common among them, as evidenced by several unedited videos of those waiting in line for rallies

    This reminds me of the classic episode of The Simpsons, as evidenced by the sleazball lawyer, Lionel Hutz –

    Judge: “Mr. Hutz, do you have any evidence in defense of your client?”

    Hutz: “Nothing, except heresay and conjecture – those are kinds of evidence, aren’t they?”

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  117. But alas, I’m a bit too busy now.

    All together now:

    Brave Sir Robin ran away
    Bravely ran away, away
    When danger reared its ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out
    Bravely taking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  118. “There are, of course, as many Democrats embarrassed by the Obama/Biden circus and the base of lunatics supporting it.”

    I very much doubt it.

    Dave Surls (957163)

  119. I think Mantlepiece is really another form of RC, who haunted the environs here over the weekend. Same BS posts, and when called on it, feigns “work issues” and slinks away.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  120. In less than one afternoon, mantis proves its mendoucheousness beyond reasonable doubt.

    JD (5f0e11)

  121. It doesn’t matter. Paulson and Bush just announced today that we are now a socialist nation.

    Free government cheese!

    Patricia (94c68d)

  122. Dave Surls #12

    I doubt it as well. Most Democrats are beyond shame an embarrassment.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  123. Crap…Live Preview is my friend.,,

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  124. From now on, I hope McCain ignores his angry “base” and sticks to stuff like the economic plan he released today. It’s so nice to hear him actually talking about policy, rather than making vague accusations about Obama. It reminds me of why he was my favorite Republican nomination candidate.

    I wonder where his campaign would be today if he’d come out with his current economic proposals back in mid-september. We’ll never know, because he instead did that “I’m stopping my campaign because the world is going to hell in a handbasket” act (which really screwed him over when he not only stopped his campaign, but then really didn’t do anything about the world going to hell).

    If he’d just come out with a calm, focust group of proposals more quickly (or even just kept his mouth shut while his staffed worked on the proposals) this could be a very different campaign. Instead, he looks shifty, desperate and accusatory (although that’s in large part also due to his panicking party, which is kitchen-sinking Obama with all of these accusations).

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  125. The first time was about Ayers, yes, but the crowds are out for blood, and Palin is still egging them on. The response has been predictable
    “He’s an arab!” “traitor!” “Obama bin Laden!”
    And just today: Kill him!.
    McCain’s ashamed I think, but there it is.

    Who is John McCain? And why should I trust him? Meanwhile this is funny

    Christopher Buckley, the author and son of the late conservative mainstay William F. Buckley, said in a telephone interview that he has resigned from the National Review, the political journal his father founded in 1955.

    Mr. Buckley said he had “been effectively fatwahed by the conservative movement” after endorsing Barack Obama in a blog posting on TheDailyBeast.com; since then, he said he has been blanketed with hate mail at the blog and at the National Review, where he has written a column.

    As a result, he wrote to Richard Lowry, the editor of the National Review, and
    its publisher, Jack Fowler, offering to resign, and “this offer was rather
    briskly accepted,” Mr. Buckley said

    Nanker Phelge (139099)

  126. Again – this time in Scranton:

    http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt

    Why do Republicans want to kill Obama?

    Can you remain secure in your beliefs without attempting to provoke violence against your ideological foes?

    Metacom (b8c7e2)

  127. I have learned to be skeptical about claims of racism like: sit down boy!
    It was the south, some people say boy to everything and some black people hear racism in everything.
    It’s ridiculous that as a white guy I can’t ever say the word “boy” around a black person without them being convinced it was aimed at them.

    I think Ayers should have been hung for sedition and treason.
    That chicken has come home to roost.

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  128. Comment by Metacom — 10/14/2008 @ 2:32 pm

    Let’s hear the audio and see the name of the person who said it.

    My guess on the name is “zxcv lkjh.”

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  129. Isn’t it funny how these trolls can link to newspaper accounts but there are no audio records. It’s sort of like the Obama caller who accused a woman, who was not going to vote for Obama and didn’t appreciate the unsolicited call, of threatening him. The Secret Service showed up at the woman’s door in spite of no evidence at all. It’s all a case of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick.

    And it will get worse if it looks like Obama is slipping.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  130. Bill Ayers speech to the World Education Forum in Venezuela, November 2006.

    Bill Ayers freely admits to being a “little ‘c’ communist”. Meaning his approach to implementing a Marxist utopia is not like that of the former Soviet Union, but more of a bottoms up strategy to work from the inside, the same approach espoused by Saul Alinsky.

    Dr. Dean (695f35)

  131. Careful, Patricia, with the “old” comments.

    I said “very, very,” LOL.

    Patricia (94c68d)

  132. Ayers probably once said we’d be better off if we partialilly nationalized our banks.
    Kill him!

    Larry Reilly (d11f9a)

  133. Instead, he looks shifty, desperate and accusatory

    You’re right – Obama does indeed look shifty, desperate and accusatory with his recent statements regarding Ayers and the CAC. In fact, Obama just called McCain out with an “in your face” challenge to directly confront him on it. To which McCain gladly accepted, and has warned him ahead of time that he’s going to ask him about just that subject, to his face.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081014/pl_politico/14564

    And now Obama’s backtracking furiously, since McCain actually means what he says, whereas The Messiah never actually means anything he says. Whoops, that facade of the big, tough guy is already reaping what he’s sown for The One. What a ginormous wuss.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  134. we partialilly nationalized our banks.

    Mawy is still learning how to spell the big words, but let’s give her a big hand, since she’s our own special little girl!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  135. Larry – Drunk again?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  136. Comment by Patricia — 10/14/2008 @ 3:14 pm

    Some of us are “very, very” grumpy!

    LOL!

    Another Drew (767298)

  137. Wanker Felcher – That meme has been debunked multiple times in this very thread. Thanks for playing.

    JD (f7900a)

  138. ‘NOBEL peace laureate Betty Williams displayed a flash of her feisty Irish spirit yesterday, lashing out at US President George W.Bush during a speech to hundreds of schoolchildren.’

    ‘Campaigning on the rights of young people at the Earth Dialogues forum, being held in Brisbane, Ms Williams spoke passionately about the deaths of innocent children during wartime, particularly in the Middle East, and lambasted Mr Bush.’

    ‘”I have a very hard time with this word ‘non-violence’, because I don’t believe that I am non-violent,” said Ms Williams, 64.’

    ‘”Right now, I would love to kill George Bush.” Her young audience at the Brisbane City Hall clapped and cheered.’–The Australian

    The above event took place in Australia, but it’s the same deal here in the States.

    More…

    ‘Am I allowed to write that I would like to hunt down George W. Bush, the president of the United States, and kill him with my bare hands?’

    ‘Let me be clear that I have no wish to perform such a deed in fact, nor do I want anyone else to destroy bodily what is, at least in the technical sense, a fellow human being. (Let me be equally clear that the above qualification, although true, is intended primarily as a legal ploy and should in no way be attributed to my claimed pacifism, which today’s prosecutor might find a way to use against me. I would also like excused from the proceedings my personal feelings for George W. Bush, embarrassment and rage, as they could probably be turned to my disadvantage as well.) In truth, I bring neither a message nor a promise of violence. I seek only to gauge what level of discourse is still acceptable in this country by asking, in the hope that I might someday participate in that discourse, whether I am free to posit that it would probably be great fun, and a boon to all mankind, if I were to slaughter the president of the United States with my bare hands.’–Ben Metcalf, Harpers

    Methinks the lefties, especially the lefty media types, doth protest too much when when the subject is outrage over advocating killing American political leaders or inciting one’s followers with intemperate language.

    Dave Surls (957163)

  139. Re the “kill him”, etc. comments at McCain/Palin rallies – these cries are more than likely being shouted by Plants of the Obama campaign. Comment by Lee — 10/14/2008 @ 1:19 pm

    I suggested that above as well, just like the young ladies who were fainting and needing Obama to secure water for them. That’s why we need help from mantis to get video of the culprits, to confirm if it’s an Obama/ACORN plant or the 1 in 10,000 Palin supporters that needs to be reprimanded.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  140. Comment by Dave Surls — 10/14/2008 @ 4:57 pm

    I wonder what Ms. Williams would think about having a Secret Service interview to get her next U.S.visa?

    Another Drew (767298)

  141. “I wonder what Ms. Williams would think about having a Secret Service interview to get her next U.S.visa?”

    Funny you should mention that. She said almost exactly the same thing last year in the United States that she had said to those school kids in Australia…the Secret Service said it had no plans to investigate.

    However, the police were called on to investigate “hate” e-mails she recieved in response to her remarks.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-peace_12nat.ART.State.Edition1.43b8067.html

    Dave Surls (957163)

  142. Comment by Nanker Phelge — 10/14/2008 @ 2:21 pm

    From NRO some clarification, which is apparently needed:

    Just one other point: Chris says that his Obama endorsement has generated a “tsunami,” that e-mail at NRO has been running “oh, 700-to-1″ against him, and that there’s a debate about whether to boil him in oil or shoot him. Chris is either misinformed or exercising poetic license. We have gotten about 100 e-mails, if that (a tiny amount compared to our usual volume), and threats of cancellations in the single digits (we never like to lose any readers, but circulation is way up this year). No doubt part of what upset these readers was the dim view Chris expressed of them in his first Daily Beast post. So it goes. It’s an intense election season and emotions are running high. We continue to have the highest regard for Chris’s talent and wit, and extend to him warmest regards and understanding.

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWEwZmYwNDE0YWI4OGI2ZTZlN2EwYTBhNmZlZDliMjc=

    Dana (658c17)

  143. I actually think it’s b.s. that anyone ever yelled “Kill him” – about Obama or Ayers. You can listen to the video at YouTube for yourself Many of the pool reporters did not hear such a comment. The only person who reported it was Dana Milbank and he didn’t attribute such a ridiculous comment to anyone.

    I’m sorry, but this story has gotten much more traction than it deserved.

    St Wendeler (481f38)

  144. Show us the videos, mantis. Until then, we will continue to assume that you are pulling shite from your arse.

    Who am I, your guide to the internet? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? Oh sorry, you probably only look at right-wing blogs and porn.

    Indicates he does not really have a source, and the information is derived from the fictonal range of “What everyone knows”

    Standard Netiquette is if one takes a position and makes a claim that there is a source, text,audio or video, if called one supplies the kink.

    Mantis does not have a link,

    In adddition when the rhetoric drifts away from issues and positions into ad homenin attacks

    you probably only look at right-wing blogs and porn

    that indicates they have abandoned the Field of Ideas and are striving to alter the conflict into the Field of Personal attacks, having run out of ammunition which could be used in rational debate

    Dan Kauffman (3d4a88)

  145. Hey, I only look at right-wing blogs and porn, and I’m a rational debater. Heck, I’m a master debater.

    If we built a Field of Ideas, who would come?

    carlitos (e833de)

  146. and furthermore…
    Why would we believe anything the MSM says on this subject?
    They have surely demonstrated their ability to lie about everything else, why not this?

    Another Drew (767298)

  147. HEY OBAMA SUPPORTERS:

    BET YOU CAN’T PASS THE TEST!

    http://barackobamatest.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.home

    Ed (5d473d)

  148. For all the nuts saying Palin should’ve “scolded” the Obama plant…err…”person” yelling what one reporter heard as “kill him” (which was more likely, “do you like kittens”) please note from the article:

    1:25 p.m.

    Chris Hackett addressed the increasingly feisty crowd as they await the arrival of Gov. Palin.

    Each time the Republican candidate for the seat in the 10th Congressional District mentioned Barack Obama the crowd booed loudly.

    One man screamed “kill him!”

    1:56 p.m.

    Gov. Palin, accompanied by her husband, Todd, walked onstage to a rousing reception by the Riverfront Sports crowd as the theme from “Rocky” played.

    I guess she should’ve used telepathy.

    Obama would’ve.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  149. CW – Great catch. One man screamed kill him is all of the information that the Leftist need to show that McCain himself threatened Baracky’s life, and that the teeming masses of KKK members in the Palin crowd were calling for lyinching anyone that votes for Baracky.

    JD (f7900a)

  150. CW – Great catch. One man screamed kill him is all of the information that the Leftist need to show that McCain himself threatened Baracky’s life, and that the teeming masses of KKK members in the Palin crowd were calling for lyinching anyone that votes for Baracky.

    Comment by JD — 10/15/2008 @ 7:35 am

    Thanks. I can’t take credit, though. It was the folks at Olbermann Watch who discovered the error. Thanks to Keith for shedding light on this!

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  151. The person that does Olberdouchenozzle Watch actually has to sit through all of that bile every night. I can only imagine the amount of happy pills that person must have to take to maintain their sanity.

    JD (f7900a)

  152. The person that does Olberdouchenozzle Watch actually has to sit through all of that bile every night. I can only imagine the amount of happy pills that person must have to take to maintain their sanity.

    Comment by JD — 10/15/2008 @ 8:07 am

    That’s a five-bourbon show if ever I’ve seen one.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  153. Olbermonkey was literally foaming at the mouth last night. And what a surprise that it was all about holding John McCain responsible for what someone else did. Personal responsibility — once again — is a concept these jokers simply cannot grasp.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  154. There was a second instance of someone yelling “kill him” at a Palin event that was directed towards Obama: Times Tribune of Scranton, PA

    [Patterico responds: Yes, and the Secret Service can find no evidence of that actually having happened. See the UPDATE. -- P]

    Joe (4873cc)

  155. you can see it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

    It was directed at Obama because it happened after McCain said “Who is the real Barack Obama.”

    Sandra in Nebraska (445143)

  156. Sandra in Nebraska

    I watched the video and listened to the voices.

    There is no possible way anybody hears one person yeall “terrorist, kill him”!

    I hear many different voices speaking out and not one of them can be understood.

    Its just more MSM, BHO bullshit!

    ML (14488c)

  157. It’s clear, you just don’t want to believe it. That says a lot about you.

    Sandra in Nebraska (445143)

  158. Here’s the link again, it’s important to get the word out. And on this particular one the person just says “kill him”. The terrorists comments are on other videos and you guys can do your own homework there.

    Sandra in Nebraska (445143)

  159. Here’s the link again, it’s important to get the word out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

    And on this particular one the person just says “kill him”. The terrorists comments are on other videos and you guys can do your own homework there.

    Sandra in Nebraska (445143)

  160. It’s important to double-post, too?

    steve miller (5df7f9)

  161. It’s the first time I’ve been to this site. I tried to correct a post by stopping it and making my correction….it didn’t work, thus the double post.

    Sandra in Nebraska (445143)

  162. So you came here how?

    steve miller (5df7f9)

  163. Sandra in Nebraska

    In your original post you claimed they said: “terrorist, kill him”, now are you telling me that exact quote is really in a few different videos?

    With a “Terrorist” here and a “kill him” there?

    Let the liberal games begin!

    Its clear I don’t want to believe?

    Can that comment seem anymore cult like?

    No, what’s clear is I can use my own hearing and I don’t hear what you claim is there, which makes you a flat-out lair as clearly as anyone can see.

    ML (14488c)

  164. Sandra in Nebraska-

    As can be seen in other posts concerning the supposed threats in Scranton, the Secret Service takes these things seriously. When I see a report on their investigation, where they have used their high tech equipment to sort out sounds and voices and have an amplified recording, then I will reconsider.

    Until then, I really think the person said, “Paul is dead”. (Which is also not true).

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  165. I don’t think Sandra is a liar.

    But I do suspect she’s an astroturfer. What are the chances she would find Patterico’s post, find the video she wants, and then post it here because we don’t “know” the truth about this alleged statement?

    I suspect she’s the blog equivalent of a seminar caller.

    steve miller (5df7f9)

  166. #

    Here’s the link again, it’s important to get the word out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

    And on this particular one the person just says “kill him”. The terrorists comments are on other videos and you guys can do your own homework there.

    Comment by Sandra in Nebraska — 10/16/2008 @ 3:43 pm

    If you play it backwards, it says “Your mother sells whelks in Hull.”

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  167. Well, Palin ignored the people shouting bad things about Obama? The Secret Service just investigated this and found no proof.

    On the other hand, I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND – at a McCain/Palin Rally, liberal protestors physically charged at and attempted to attack John McCain. The Secret Service dropped the wusses quickly and arrested them – and they deserved it.

    So the left wants to complain about words?

    That’s funny…

    UnderCoverGuy (c24ced)

  168. UCG,

    When and where did this happen?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  169. According to FoxNews, the Secret Service has determined that the Florida “kill him” incident was bogus, too. They think the guy actually said “tell him” or “tell them.”

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  170. I think there was confusion from a rally where, when the speaker (Palin? or McCain) mentioned *William Ayers* and what he did, someone actually did say “Kill him” – that was about Ayers, not Obama. I think in these other cases, they are almost entirely talking about Ayers. There are some hotheads in any bunch, so it doesn’t prove a whole lot anyway.

    Neil ☼ (bd8bbb)


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