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10/6/2008

Obama and Ayers, Together Again

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 1:43 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee reports that in 1995, “Barack Obama had known Bill Ayers at least eight years since their shared involvement in the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools, if not longer.” He submits that Obama and Ayers have worked together on community and education issues on and off for the past 21 years.

Meanwhile, the Drudge Report confirms Ayers’s and Obama’s common interests with this link to a University of Chicago Chronicle article. The article reports on a 1997 University of Chicago juvenile justice forum in which William Ayers and Barack Obama appeared as speakers in support of the same goals:

Children who kill are called “super predators,” “people with no conscience,” “feral pre-social beings” — and “adults.”

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says “We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn’t suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?”

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four [sic] panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center’s monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by [Illinois State] Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.”

Michelle Obama was a proponent of the event and may have been the coordinator:

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

“Students and faculty explore these issues in the classroom, but it is an internal conversation,” Obama said. “We know that issues like juvenile justice impact the city of Chicago, this nation and — directly or indirectly — this campus. This panel gives students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it.”

Ayers and the Obamas, together again.

– DRJ

41 Responses to “Obama and Ayers, Together Again”

  1. I’m sure the subject of Wright will come up again before the election. AP has a post with an interesting graphic from Jay Cost about how Obama’s favorability rating dropped for a solid month after the Wright recordings came out.

    It will be interesting to see if the networks interview Ayers or Wright. May be unavoidable.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  2. Why is a man who spent YEARS exhorting people to kill, who flat-out said children should kill their parents, who built bombs and trained people for the sole purpose of killing, who was a fugitive from justice for years because he followed through on all of these, and whose only regret is that he didn’t do ENOUGH of it, allowed anywhere NEAR a juvenile-justice system?

    North Dallas Thirty (efe6ff)

  3. Well, David Axelrod today said that Barack did not know that Ayers was an unrepentant terrorist in 1995 when Ayers and Dohrn hosted the campaign event at their house for him. Axelrod always tells the truth, so that must be the real story.

    Axelrod must have just mispoken earlier this year shen he claimed that Ayers was some guy who lived in Obama’s neighborhood and that Barack’s grade school children went to school with Ayer’s adult children and that they did not serve on three charitable boards together and speak om ,ultiple panels, etc., etc.

    Heh!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  4. And sitting on a board with Ayers is going to lead to Barack and Michelle sitting around their kitchen table making bombs to plant in government buildings.

    I heard McCain “associates” with an avowed Socialist Senator from Vermont.

    steve (cf6707)

  5. “And sitting on a board with Ayers is going to lead to Barack and Michelle sitting around their kitchen table making bombs to plant in government buildings.”

    steve – The Obama’s actually learned better bomb making techniques from Rashid Khalidi.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  6. Pot Heads…an Obama Swing Voter Demographic?

    Check out the Top 50 Swing Voters:

    #50 – Hockey Moms
    #47 – People with STDs
    #41 – Predatory Lenders
    #36 – Master Debaters

    http://swingvoters.wordpress.com

    Conrad (639185)

  7. Obviously, this is NOT a casual relationship.

    Let’s see, the MSM is dredging up Obama’s talking points on the Keating Five but FAIL to be journalists by not investigating the AYRES connection. Then, they castigate those that MAKE THE CONNECTION by saying “THEY ARE NOT JOURNALISTS!”

    Original Pechangas Blog (dbb5a0)

  8. We’ll see if Americans actually buy the idea that he’s a proto-black-nationalist and terrorist wanna-be.

    You’re much better off going after the Rezko nexus.

    steve (cf6707)

  9. Oh, I don’t know. I keep hearing about decisions that McCain has made in the past as some kind of indicator of his “judgement” and “ability to lead.”

    But the folks who say that seem very forgiving of the same analysis made regarding the junior Senator from Illinois….

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  10. I’m sorry to say that a high percentage of the voting public would not care if Obama had sex with minors of both sexes in public and in broad daylight.

    Horatio (783c7d)

  11. Watching Republicans try the Ayers meme again is kinda like watching one of those scenes in the movies where a guy tries to shoot a gun that has no bullets in it, and even after he realizes it isn’t loaded, he keeps pointing it and pulling the trigger, because he doesn’t know what else to do.

    Phil (84d13b)

  12. Pretty funny stuff watching the GOPers scramble in desperation.

    Maybe it’s time to bring back the “lipstick on a pig” quote. Wasn’t that supposed to be a game over?

    And Palin is married to a separatists.

    President Obama. Get used to it. And you all can thank George Bush.

    jharp (2282bb)

  13. This has less substance than the hapless attempt to intersect the Bush family with the bin Ladens.

    Stanley Kurtz meets Kevin Phillips.

    steve (cf6707)

  14. Phil – This time the MSM has actually dared to mention the Ayers name and whitewashed a couple of articles about the relationship. That’s a much better backdrop than the “some guy in my neighborhood” backdrop from earlier this year. The door has been cracked open and they know the campaign has been covering up.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  15. The only people who think this gun has no bullets in it are those who think that it’s perfectly OK for Obama to help Ayers advance his radical agenda. Obama was selected by Ayers to sit on the board that in turn funded Ayers’ project to promote a marxist revolution through political indoctrination under the guise of school reform.

    Of course, these are the same type of people who probably think the tired, old “Obama didn’t have a clue” dodge is a really effective idea.

    If McCain can effectively make the case that Ayers never changed his strategic goals, just his tactics, and Bernardine Dohrn and Barack Obama were his willing accomplices but just at different stages in his campaign to bring about the revolution, those bullets will find their mark.

    And it shouldn’t be too hard to make the case as not only is it true, but Ayers has been telling anyone who would interview him or read his many books what his exact intentions were and still are for decades.

    Steve (1b3f1b)

  16. Watching Republicans try the Ayers meme again is kinda like watching one of those scenes in the movies where a guy tries to shoot a gun that has no bullets in it, and even after he realizes it isn’t loaded, he keeps pointing it and pulling the trigger, because he doesn’t know what else to do.

    Maybe you should let the Obama campaign know of this.

    When the American Issues Project ran ads linking Obama to Ayers, the campaign responded by asking the Department of Justice to prosecute one of the donors.

    The Department of Justice rejected their request.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  17. This has less substance than the hapless attempt to intersect the Bush family with the bin Ladens.

    What has a lot more substance was Obama’s reaction to the Ayers ad by the American Issuesd Project.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  18. Mishael – Good point. When Stanley Kurtz, one of the people researching the relationship, was due to appear on a Chicago radio show, the Obama campaign decline to appear with him, instead emailing an important action alert to its supporters trying to shut the show down. The campaign first tried to deny Kurtz access to the archives of the Annenberg Challenge but the adverse publicity would have been too daunting.

    They have been anything but forthcoming about the nature and extent of Obama’s relationship with Ayers. Ir’s almost as if there is something there to hide and they are challenging people to find it rather than volunteering information themselves. That has been a hallmark of the campaign all along. Wright and Rezko are other examples of the minimal disclosure strategy that backfired on them.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  19. Racists

    JD (f7900a)

  20. Obama was selected by Ayers to sit on the board that in turn funded Ayers’ project to promote a marxist revolution through political indoctrination under the guise of school reform.

    As I’ve said before, this is about the worst time in U.S. history to use the term “socialist” in a negative way. Right about now, everyone’s looking to grab onto every little bit of socialism they can find.

    But good luck with that. Who knows, maybe it’ll work.

    Phil (84d13b)

  21. It’s not just Ayers. Obama is associated with all sorts of questionable characters!

    David Ehrenstein (06e7fb)

  22. Phil, we will get back to you once we are done killing, jailing, torturing and oppressing some minorities.

    JD (f7900a)

  23. JD – I’m in. Where do we start?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  24. “worst time in U.S. history to use the term “socialist” in a negative way”

    Phil – When has there been a time to use it in a positive way?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  25. “worst time in U.S. history to use the term “socialist” in a negative way”

    Phil – When has there been a time to use it in a positive way?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/6/2008 @ 2:53 pm

    To describe our National Parks system, Great Lakes, every river in the country, beaches.

    Need more?

    jharp (2282bb)

  26. I can’t help it if I don’t share the appalling economic ignorance of the average Obama supporter. Not everyone is looking to grab into a little socialism. Have you seen the DOW today?

    The bailout didn’t exactly settle the market. There’s a reason for that.

    Despite the reporting you see by clueless journalism school graduates, markets make rational decisions. At least, they do when they are not being distorted by massive amounts of government dollars to effect the the kind of social change the Democrats attempted engineer through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Since the “fix” didn’t address the prime culprits in this mess, then naturally it didn’t have the effect we were told it was going to have.

    The answer to a crisis caused by socialist intervention isn’t to “grab onto every bit of socialism they can find.” The answer is to actually eliminate or at least rein in the prime culprits.

    Of the two presidential candidates, only McCain has shown any inclination to do so.

    Obama and Biden are still running around telling anyone who will listen that they intend to make sure that unqualified borrowers still have access to credit, and in Obama’s case that he intends to make sure bankruptcy laws are changed so that judges can adjust not just payments but the principal amount.

    McCain isn’t perfect, but Obama and Biden are promising to pour gasoline on the fire they helped light.

    I would say “good luck with that” back, but unfortunately Obama and the Dems have already had far too much luck with that.

    If you like it, ask for more of it. But I guarantee you won’t like the consequences you haven’t bothered to think through.

    Steve (1b3f1b)

  27. McCain isn’t perfect, but Obama and Biden are promising to pour gasoline on the fire they helped light.

    I would say “good luck with that” back, but unfortunately Obama and the Dems have already had far too much luck with that.

    If you like it, ask for more of it. But I guarantee you won’t like the consequences you haven’t bothered to think through.

    Damn well said.

    Old Coot (b63ab3)

  28. Don’t ask Phil, we already know the answer: 1933.

    And Palin is married to a separatists.

    And HarpTard is married to no one, but like a toxic waste dump, you’ve got to really do a proper clean – up, or else his primordial ooze always comes sliming back to the topsoil.

    This one’s for you, HarpTard:
    (to the tune of Rawhide)

    Trollin’ trollin’ trollin’
    Keep those screeches comin’
    Trollin’ Trollin’ Trollin, HARPTARD!

    Mouth a droolin’ droolin’ droolin’
    Lotsa saliva droolin’
    Droolin’ droolin’ droolin, HARPTARD!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  29. “To describe our National Parks system, Great Lakes, every river in the country, beaches.

    Need more?

    Comment by jharp — 10/6/2008 @ 3:05 pm”

    harptard – Find me some citations that describe those situations and systems as socialism please.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  30. harptard – Find me some citations that describe those situations and systems as socialism please.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/6/2008 @ 4:28 pm

    daleyrocks,

    Do you even understand what Socialism is?

    Our National Park system is a perfect example. As are the Great Lakes. As are our river systems.

    Birdbrain.

    jharp (2282bb)

  31. And our public libraries.

    David Ehrenstein (06e7fb)

  32. Keep on droolin,’ HARPTARD!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  33. harptard – You got nothin’ as usual. Figures.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  34. Obama and Ayres, two peas in a pod, one lies and the other swears to it. Democrat politics, it never changes. Two steps left, and blame the other guys, dump the economy, blame the other guys, get caught with your pants down, blame the other guys. Democrats are the problem, get rid of Democrats in government and we’ll all be better off, and so will the rest of the world.

    Vote against Democrats, the whole world is depending on us, so are the children, and the animals, the plants, and Mother Earth herself. Save the Planet, vote against Democrats. It’s your patriotic responsibility. End terrorism, support the troops, establish women’s rights, and help keep kids in school. Do your part, vote against stupidity. Vote against Democrats.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  35. harptard – You got nothin’ as usual. Figures.

    It would be news if he ever had something.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  36. You know, it’s suddenly hit me that the Ayers friendship, at 21 years and counting may well be Obama’s oldest. Who paid for Obama’s law school education? Was it the Ayers family, in addition to the Saudis? That would be some combination.

    MTF (93d3b7)

  37. #34, MTF, Obama’s Harvard Law School Education was paid by Dr Khalid Abdullah Tariq al Mansour, aka Donald Warden, mentor of Black Panther’s Huey Newton and Bobby Seal. Warden or al Mansour represents Saudi money. He’s also the lynch pin between Obama and Ayres.

    Weatherman Ayres wanted to unite a white fighting force with the Black Liberation Movement. That was the basis of Weatherman cooperation with attempts by black radicals to rob bank trucks. Several police and truck guards were murdered.

    Type “William Ayres” into your search window and read all about Ayres. If you want to go back to Obama’s early days look into Frank Marshall Davis. He was the most stable black man in young Barrak’s early years. He’s why Bill Ayres took an interest in the future of a young black man while they were both students at Columbia in the early 1980s.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  38. Harp and DE need to buy a dictionary and look up socialism.

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  39. Of course, Palin’s married to a separatist–he’s a tribal member, as are her kids.

    Kate (908d0e)

  40. As long as the Alaskan separatists are non-violent, sounds like a possibility if Obama wins.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)


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