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6/30/2008

Ethics Expert Stephen Gillers: Judge Kozinski Should Not Be Disciplined

Filed under: Dog Trainer,General,Judiciary,Kozinski — Patterico @ 6:32 am

In connection with the Kozinski controversy, the L.A. Times quoted two legal experts, Laurie Levenson of Loyola Law School, and Stephen Gillers of the New York University Law School.

Both are quoted often in the L.A. Times as experts on legal issues. Prof. Gillers specializes in legal ethics.

Since the time that Professors Levenson and Gillers were quoted, some new information has come to light concerning the material on Judge Kozinski’s server/website.

For example, I published a letter from Marcy Tiffany, the wife of Judge Kozinski, who argued that the facts were substantially different from what the L.A. Times had reported.

Certain aspects of her letter were corroborated by information in posts of mine, showing that the material described by the L.A. Times had a humorous component that the paper did not sufficiently describe. (See here, here, here, and here.)

I decided to send Professors Levenson and Gillers links to this material, and ask them whether the new developments have changed their mind.

For her part, Prof. Levenson decided to “defer to the Third Circuit committee investigating this matter for further comment.”

Prof. Gillers gave me a full response, asking only that I publish his remarks in their entirety. (I would have anyway.)

Prof. Gillers’s remarks are very thoughtful. The highlights are as follows:

  • Prof. Gillers does not believe that Judge Kozinski needs to be disciplined in connection with this controversy.
  • Although he believes Judge Kozinski could have judged the case fairly, Prof. Gillers continues to believe recusal was proper.
  • Prof. Gillers says that, despite the fact that the material on Judge Kozinski’s website/server was largely intended to be humorous, many will still see that material as pornographic.
  • Prof. Gillers continues to believe that Judge Kozinski was seriously negligent in allowing the public to access the material. Although Prof. Gillers does not defend Mr. Sanai, Prof. Gillers rejects the view that Mr. Sanai’s actions were analogous to the burglary of a private study.
  • Prof. Gillers continues to believe that Judge Kozinski is a “treasure” on the federal bench, and that opinion has not been shaken by this controversy. He believes that this incident will pass.

I encourage every reader to read Prof. Gillers’s remarks in their entirety. Visitors to the main page should click “more” to read them.

I’ve been asked whether my views of this event have changed since the L.A. Times first interviewed me. Specifically, I was asked about the following additional developments:

a. The statement of Judge Kozinski’s wife that he’s into humor, not porn.

b. The fact that the Times article implied that some of the material on the website was more salacious or prurient than the material in fact turns out to be.

c. Some of the images are available on the web.

I told the Times that I thought the publicity about the website would be humiliating to Judge Kozinski, but that the incident would pass. I also said that I thought the judge would have to recuse himself from the obscenity trial then underway, which he later did. Finally, I insisted that as a condition of quoting me the Times add that in my opinion Judge Kozinski is a “treasure” on the federal bench, a view that this incident has not at all shaken. (Some of my quotes showed up on the paper’s website, some in print, some both places.)

Later, I told an AP reporter that while those of us who know Alex have no doubt he could try the obscenity case fairly, the public would think the justice system had lost its marbles if he remained on the case. I still believe that. Recusal issues must respond to the perception of the reasonable public, not only what the judge believes is true in fact. I can hardly imagine how it might sound to the jury to have the judge instruct them to disregard anything they may have heard or read about the judge’s own collection of allegedly pornographic images.

I continue to have these views.

The fact that certain of the images are less salacious or prurient than one might infer from the Times’ description is of little import to me. I have now seen many of the images on this website. Many focus on naked body parts, more women than men, more often below the waist than above, some closeups.

The fact that there is a humorous dimension to the images is, to my mind, largely beside the point. The fact that they are (or can be seen as) humorous doesn’t change what many will view as their pornographic character. That is, the categories of humor and porn are not mutually exclusive. I assume the explanation that Judge Kozinski’s motive was humor, not porn, is meant to exclude prurience and mitigate the conduct. I accept that explanation. But that doesn’t change my conclusions.

I disagree with Larry Lessig’s suggestions elsewhere that Mr. Sanai’s conduct is the equivalent of breaking into Judge Kozinski’s study. I do not defend Mr. Sanai one bit. Gratuitous acts of vindictive meanness should be scorned. But this was not a burglary. Judge Kozinski unwittingly facilitated the disclosure, which would not be true in a burglary. I believe, as I told the Times, that it was seriously negligent to leave these images on the web, even in a seemingly secret file. (Is anything on the web secret?) I think that, and only that, was Judge Kozinski’s mistake, not having the images in the first place, which he was free to do.

I do not believe that this mistake deserves discipline. Corrective action has been taken by closing the site. I understand the judge’s decision to refer himself for investigation but the consequence should be exoneration.

One last point, which I think is quite important. Judges have constitutional rights, too, of course, but on becoming a judge, a person necessarily accepts certain restrictions on his or her behavior entirely apart from what the law may require. We just went through a multi-year process of rewriting the ABA Code of Judicial Conduct. The committee drafting the revisions initially thought to omit the prohibition against the appearance of impropriety. State high court chief judges emphatically (and in my view correctly) rejected that proposal. The prohibition remained.

Comment [2] to Canon 1 of the new Code says “A judge should expect to be the subject to public scrutiny that might be viewed as burdensome if applied to other citizens, and must accept the restrictions imposed by the Code.” That is the situation here.

So I assume the worldwide publicity is humiliating. Recusal was unfortunate but necessary. That’s where it should all end. Anyone who has followed Judge Kozinski’s career knows how important to American law his sometime idiosyncratic perspective has been, not to mention his wonderful language skills. Against that backdrop, this incident is painful but insignificant and, as I say, will pass.

I thank Professor Gillers for his time and input.

951 Responses to “Ethics Expert Stephen Gillers: Judge Kozinski Should Not Be Disciplined”

  1. I think the Professor has it right. The Judge shouldn’t have put that stuff anywhere that was accessible by the general public but has a right to own and chuckle at it as does any other citizen. I do hope all other members of the legal profession have taken note and locked down their own servers.

    Dawnsblood (a83e77)

  2. OT, sorry, but why no comments allowed on two previous posts?

    Old Coot (85f458)

  3. Because Justine almost always locks comments when he posts…

    Which I think is HIGHLY unfortunate, because a lot of his posts deserve comment and the issues deserve more attent than they usually get with a locked post…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  4. when the iranian of the day shows up to comment in 3…2…1, i want him to explain the juxtaposition of his honor with the blogpost lower on the page “yiddish judge screws america”. since http://www.iranian.com is an iranian community website, the views expressed thereon must be presumed to reflect the community which holds them. how much more attention should we bestow on this jew-hating persian slimeball, and what kind of attention should it be?

    assistant devil's advocate (3e71a3)

  5. Prof. Giller’s comments are not only thoughtful but so reasonable and logical it would be hard to see how anyone could disagree.

    Clearly he has great respect for Judge Kozinki and yet remains consistent in the expectation that on becoming a judge “a person necessarily accepts certain restrictions on his or her behavior entirely apart from what the law may require. “ That this part of the Judicial Code of Conduct was not omitted is somehow reassuring.

    Dana (a61bbb)

  6. ADA, I still think holding a sign up infront of that guy’s law-office (standing on the sidewalk, of cource) would be worth it…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  7. A quote worth noting:

    I disagree with Larry Lessig’s suggestions elsewhere that Mr. Sanai’s conduct is the equivalent of breaking into Judge Kozinski’s study.

    I hope people pay attention to this. Cyrus Sanai is definitely a shady guy, but he didn’t “hack” into Kozinski’s server. It’s time for that meme to trot off into the sunset.

    I wonder, though, why there is not one mention of the copyrighted music that Kozinski had sitting in that open directory on his web server. I still think that aspect of the story ought to be addressed.

    h2u (81b7bd)

  8. One minor complaint:

    Gratuitous acts of vindictive meanness should be scorned.

    It’s almost irrelevant to call this “meanness.” Sanai admitted that this was part of his “litigation strategy.” It is more than meanness, from, say, a disgruntled neighbour or a former friend: it was a deliberate attack on Judge Kozinski, as a federal judge who had ruled against him.

    In light of that, the command to “avoid the appearance of impropriety” is much less tenable. It is one thing to act in a way that brings respect to the judiciary while on the bench, in chambers, during interactions with clerks, at conferences, and while otherwise in the public light. It is another entirely to live one’s life – public, private, and quasi-private – so as to be absolutely immune from reproach.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  9. I expected a better response of Laurie Levenson myself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. “It’s almost irrelevant to call this “meanness”.

    But Prof. Giller didn’t just call it meanness. He purposefully included the clarifying vindictive. Because of this, the meanness takes on a fuller meaning and evidences a more intentional and contrived purpose.

    With or without this however, Judge Kozinski still, unfortunately, through his own I.T. neglect and/or ignorance, opened the door. And it should not mitigate or even negate a continued striving toward ‘avoiding impropriety’.

    People whose chosen professions have direct effects on the masses (judges, doctors, pastors, etc), are all required to adhere to various credos and standards. It not only protects the profession itself but keeps them collectively operating at a higher standard while simultaneously establishing a respect and hopefully, trust, from those in their line of fire (for lack of a better phrase)…

    Dana (a61bbb)

  11. Judge Kozinski thinks it is humorous to have a man dressed as a priest with a child giving him oral sex? I will bet many Catholics will find that deeply offensive, and victims of child sexual abuse will fail to see the humor. What would have happened if there were a picture of Judge Kozinski in black face?? He would have lost his job! What comes out of this is that in San Francisco, and now in all of the country, only certain people are allowed to be offended. Judge Kozinski is allowed to use disparaging humor about Catholics, his wife thinks this is a hoot! Can you imagine if Judge Kozinski had the Danish cartoons ‘defaming’ Mohammad on his website?? Different standard — you can only insult some people.

    Good for Sanai. He used readily accessible material to call the judgment of a self-centered, egomaniac into question. Why is Judge Kozinski being lauded here? Why is the whistleblower being defamed?

    That you use the judge’s wife as a valid or objective defender is a joke. Gee, do you think she might be bias? Maybe have an agenda?

    I don’t know any of these people involved, but I did see the stuff on the website and cannot imagine how a judge could miss how many would find them offensive. The 9th Circuit has been ridiculously politically correct in its rulings, yet they found the first white man who shouldn’t lose a job over having offensive material on his computer. Go figure.

    Karen (5b153d)

  12. Did Maxine Weiss come back as “Karen,” or is she gone for good?

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  13. Dean Gillers is one of nation’s top experts on legal ethics. I’m glad he has weighed in on this very public controversy. He does such a great job of clearly explaining the fine points of legal ethics, that you just have to agree with him, as I do.

    Tex Lawyer (4ed262)

  14. Why is the whistleblower being defamed?

    Because he is a shady guy, Karen. He has openly explained that his vindictiveness is part of his legal strategy. This, to me, is the mark of anti-social behavior. When you must win at all costs you’ve ultimately lost.

    The 9th Circuit has been ridiculously politically correct in its rulings, yet they found the first white man who shouldn’t lose a job over having offensive material on his computer.

    Offensive != Illegal

    h2u (81b7bd)

  15. How many regiments does the Ninth Circuit have? The Courts do not have power. Their mandates are enforced by the Executive and their operations are funded by the Legislative. They only have credibility. If they lose their credibility, they are lost.

    They can say “See if you can get along without us”, but that’s all they can do and I think we could.

    Kozinski did really screw up in a very big way.

    And for sure we can get along without him.

    nk (11c9c1)

  16. Dana,

    Well, yes, it would be “vindictive meanness,” as opposed to “random acts of unkindness,” but it was still meanness aimed at attacking Judge Kozinski as a judge, via his personal life.

    People whose chosen professions have direct effects on the masses (judges, doctors, pastors, etc), are all required to adhere to various credos and standards.

    No kidding.

    Let me be clear: I don’t think that judges ought to run around making jerks out of themselves, and, by extension, the judiciary and legal profession. (In fact, I already said that.)

    “Various credos and standards” sounds really pretty, but what exactly does it mean? The warm fuzzies don’t negate the fact that “avoiding impropriety” is a vague term without functional and practical limits.

    It is impossible for a human being to live his life (public and private) so as to be totally immune from any criticism. I’ve joked about it before, but I’ll say it seriously now: there are certainly people who would object to a jurist who is an atheist, a Muslim, a Christian, or has woman-on-top sex, because all of those may indicate an inability to judge fairly and justly. Once you untether “impropriety” from the public and judicial roles of a judge, it becomes a bludgeon with little meaning and even less ability to provide guidance.

    You can look at this mess and determine that, in retrospect, Judge Kozinski should have protected his server. You can expand that to say that all judges should protect their servers and be careful of what they put online. Yet those commands do little to tell us how hard judges ought to work to ensure that their private lives do not become public fodder.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  17. there are certainly people who would object to a jurist who … has woman-on-top sex

    Those people are sick and wrong.

    Those who would object, that is…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  18. I wouldn’t know.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  19. Sadly, these days, I wouldn’t either…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  20. In my opinion, Judge Kozinski knew or should have known that his reckless act of eviscerating the federal court’s computer system security firewall WebSENSE in 2001 had the effect of allowing federal court employees to:
    (1) play on legal blogs all day in order to further the whims of their personal agendas and/or boost the advertising revenues of a legal blog owner who was a former clerk of Judge Kozinski (Volokh);
    (2) have unfettered ability to gain access to extra-judicial material while working cases before virtually any federal court in the United States in an outcome determinative manner.

    The current complaint againt Judge Kozinski should be expanded to include investigation of all computer use/misuse by Judge Kozinski, not merely one isolated instance.

    David F. Petrano, Esq. (b51207)

  21. Countdown until the Petranos (David or Mary Katherine) complains about discrimination against autistics or accuses Judge Kozinski of being anti-horse:

    ten… nine… eight…

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  22. bridget is pretty cool. Cyrus, not so much.

    JD (75f5c3)

  23. “No kidding.”
    sounds really pretty
    The warm fuzzies

    bridget, I’m going to assume you don’t intend to be patronizing.

    With that, the point is while standards are fallible and often unable to be consistently met, there is still the need to protect the office and those effected by the decision makers.

    I don’t believe Prof. Giller is stating that Judge Kozinski (or any other judge) is to live an infalliable life in order to be immune from criticism, but rather expressing that if one is a judge, one should expect not just public scrutiny but even an unfair weight of criticism that the public themselves would not be subject to. The cost of being in a position to exert power over others comes at a high price.

    I have not read the ABA Code of Judicial Conduct, however it would seem in order to mandate that judges are to “avoid impropriety” said impropriety would be clearly defined, no? If not, is it as vague as a general rule of thumb, commonsense, existing within the parameters of acceptable societal behaviors?

    Without the terms being defined it would be difficult to know exactly what actions justify certain outcomes.

    Dana (a61bbb)

  24. Dana, here is what I wrote:

    It is one thing to act in a way that brings respect to the judiciary while on the bench, in chambers, during interactions with clerks, at conferences, and while otherwise in the public light. It is another entirely to live one’s life – public, private, and quasi-private – so as to be absolutely immune from reproach.

    You then wrote,

    People whose chosen professions have direct effects on the masses (judges, doctors, pastors, etc), are all required to adhere to various credos and standards. It not only protects the profession itself but keeps them collectively operating at a higher standard while simultaneously establishing a respect and hopefully, trust, from those in their line of fire (for lack of a better phrase)…

    , which was, seemingly, in response to what I wrote, and, seemingly, not in agreement with me.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  25. NK,

    We can much more easily do without you, than Judge Kozinski.

    You’re quick to make potshots from the sidelines, but I think it’s a safe bet that you haven’t made 5% the contribution to our polity that Judge Kozinski has. To bypass the fact of Kozinski’a productivity and contribution to the law, and to focus exclusively on Kozinski’s failure to make his server invulnerable to a disturbed litigant, tells us a lot more about “NK” than it does about Judge Kozinski.

    What we’re dealing with – in NK and others – is a permanent, disfiguring, malice that lies just below the surface, and rises to strike whenever one of their betters faces public scandal or pseudo-scandal.

    Brian (cfed45)

  26. karen (#11), i have a joke for you:

    bert the bus driver was at the last stop on his shift when a young nun got on board, the only passenger on the bus. she engaged him in conversation, asking him if he were married. he said no. then she asked him for a little favor:

    “i’m about to take my final vows at the convent, and since i’m a virgin, i have never known the pleasure of sexual intercourse. if you would be a good man, i would like you to introduce me to this pleasure. since i have to still be a virgin at the time of the final vows, i would like you to do me in the ass.”

    the bus driver was persuaded to this objective, but a minute after getting on the hershey highway in the back seat, he expressed remorse. “i’m sorry i wasn’t altogether candid with you, sister. i’m actually married with three children.”

    “oh, that’s ok” said the nun. “i’m not really a nun. my name is fred, i’m gay, and i’m on my way to a costume party.”

    you know the worst part, karen? this joke, indeed, this entire page, is now stored on your drive, where it will remain until you overwrite it with random 1′s and 0′s. your system is infected too! bwahahahahahaha!

    assistant devil's advocate (3e71a3)

  27. I should add: seemingly, with the belief that I am unaware of the fact that certain professionals have an ethical obligation to comport themselves with dignity.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  28. bridget, I think we are crossing wires.

    Thats fine.

    Dana (a61bbb)

  29. What we’re dealing with – in NK and others – is a permanent, disfiguring, malice that lies just below the surface, and rises to strike whenever one of their betters faces public scandal or pseudo-scandal.

    I think you’re exaggerating just a wee bit, Brian…

    h2u (81b7bd)

  30. h2u – Hyperbole in service of Teh Narrative is quite fine.

    JD (75f5c3)

  31. What we’re dealing with – in NK and others – is a permanent, disfiguring, malice that lies just below the surface, and rises to strike whenever one of their betters faces public scandal or pseudo-scandal.

    It isn’t just “their betters”, IMNSHO. It seems to be one of those common threads of life. For instance, a lobsterman’s best tool to keep a single lobster from crawling out of a bucket is … another lobster or two. If one looks like it is going to get away, the other(s) will pull it back down.

    The term ‘schadenfreude’ (if I spelled it correctly) sums it up nicely – taking pleasure in the misfortunes of others. It is the basis of much of humor – the “thank God that wasn’t me” response, the slapstick, the banana cream pie, the pratfall.

    If we demand better than human responses from our celebrities, it is only to use them as object examples of what not to do. Kids might not want to be the next Mother Teresa, but they DEFINITELY won’t want to be the next Pee Wee Herman.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  32. Then, Dw, why do more of them act like Pee Wee, than Mother Theresa?

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  33. *shrug*

    It’s the 99% ratio you’ll find everywhere in human relations.

    99% of the people are good and honest 99% of the time. But if all you hear about 24/7/365 is about the 1% (“if it bleeds, it leads”), it’s easy to think that.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  34. NK,

    We can much more easily do without you, than Judge Kozinski.

    That’s good because you are. I am not on the public payroll and I am not making decisions that deprive you of life, liberty or property. Hell, I’m not even trying to share dirty pictures with you.

    nk (11c9c1)

  35. Bridget, at least I am not materially concealing my real true identity and Bar# under anonymity. The weight of what you have to say carries about as much credibility as one earns by hiding like a the coward that you are under your anonymity.

    David F. Petrano, Esq. (b5856d)

  36. Her Bar #?

    You’re new here aren’t you, jackass…

    Do try to treat the good commenters better, lest you annoy those of us who lack the decency and manners of bridget and DRJ…

    Shorter me: stfu, cock-wad…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  37. Bridget, at least I am not materially concealing my real true identity and Bar# under anonymity.

    So what? Only those operating under their own names get to have opinions? Or is it only if they are the pretentious type of twatwads that have to have the word “Esquire” after their names, as if that actually meant anything?

    Go fuck yourself, counselor.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  38. NK Wrote:
    “I am not on the public payroll and I am not making decisions that deprive you of life, liberty or property. Hell, I’m not even trying to share dirty pictures with you.”

    NK, you make a good point. Has anyone on SSRN or one of the other legal research services, done any type of quantitative analysis of:
    1.) How much time, exactly, do Federal Judge’s law clerks spend surfing the Internet, playing on blogs, downloading and watching MP3 files and/or porn;
    2.) How the #1 inefficiency of personal Internet time wastage impacts the actual amount of time law clerks are working, broken down by their pay per minutes actually worked (after subtracting out their Internet blog play time);
    3.) What is the total extent of the per curiam decisions, summary judgments, 12(b)(6) etc dismissals, Sec. 1915 dismissals ratio to the amount of the above time wastage by law clerks due to personal Internet playing all day on blogs;
    4.) Broken down by law clerk, and the information gathered under #s 1, 2, & 3 above, how much authority are these law clerks being given to decide what cases to accept (original petitions, Supreme Court cert pool), draft the sum total input of Bench Memos circulated among Judicial panels, and/or draft practically the entire judicial decision in a case; and
    5.) To what extent the gambling odds a case will reach a certain outcome favored and predicted by bloggers or cert will be granted in certain cases favored and predicted by bloggers affects the actual case outcomes and/or cert grants.

    The above mathematically calculated answers may then serve as input to determine if the rent the Federal Judiciary is paying to the GSA is too high per Courthouse square footage and computing power, when the personal law clerk Internet blog play time wastage and hanky panky is subtracted out.

    Next, one may be able to make a ball park calculation whether, as Hon. Chief Justice John R. Roberts, Jr. says, more Federal Judge positions need to be created and whether Judicial salaries need to be raised — or whether a change in the hiring criteria to eliminate the time wasting clerks-hires and hire, instead, clerks who are willing to actually do the Court’s work, is all that is required for the Federal Courts to carry their workloads by reducing the per curiams and summary dismissals precluding scores of litigants from achieving their “day in court.”

    In sum, how the law clerks for our Federal Judges are using their time while at work in a Federal building on Federal computers (or not using their time to do what they are there being paid for — that is work, as the case may be), can ultimately answer the public inquiry of the extent to which the 2001 Judge Kozinski Federal Courts Computer WebSENSE Security breach is:
    1.) allowing non-Congressionally appointed law clerks playing on blogs all day carrying on their personal business to run amok in our Federal Courts on the taxpayer and Federal Judiciary funding dole, while writing scores of per curiams;
    2.) allowing law clerks playing on blogs all day to undermine the impartiality of cases assigned to their Judges, while some are even disrespecting, embarassing, and impugn the integrity of their Judge-employers behind these Honorable Judges backs, such as “AnnTM” did when she called the Judges of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals “old” and stated they should get some “cojones” due to the nature of the judicial decisions they were writing (publicly available on ezboard);
    3.) allowing law clerks and their co-conspirator members of State Bars to circumvent the confidentiality rules of our Federal Courts to obtain information to which they might not otherwise be entitled, as “AnnTM” accomplished through her California Bar friends from the very Court of which Hon. Judge Kozinski now heads and over which he has disciplinary authority to convene an investigation to call these confidentiality violators to answer for their breaches of a Federal Circuit Court of Appeals confidentiality to exploit a case in another Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Bridget made some uncalled-for snarky comments, but, for her information, Judge Kozinski is one of the Federal Judges I always held up as the an example of one of the Nation’s best, a writer of good, well-reasoned decisions, and fair — for which I have more than once come under criticism in the Eleventh Circuit for graduating law school in California where I learned to cite ‘those radical California and Ninth Circuit precedent because we in the Eleventh Circuit don’t cite the Ninth’ (as I have been told).

    This, however, does not excuse or justify in any way, those law clerks who have had a personal field day running amok and sabotaging the civil rights cases of disabled Americans they *don’t like* facilitated in a multijurisdiction fashion through Judge Kozinski’s WebSENSE firewall disablement in the name of the Office of the Federal Judges for whom they have been privileged and entrusted to work.

    Ask yourself this: If YOU were a Federal Judge, how would YOU feel to learn that one of your law clerks who admitted on a blog to having a mentally unstable “unhealthy obsession” with a litigant she “met on the Internet” had carried out prankish vendettas on the work computers YOU provided her while at work, and in the process thereof, caused YOU in YOUR supervisory duties over this clerk to violate one or more provisions of the Code of Judicial Conduct for U.S. Judges calling YOUR previously lifelong unblemished reputation into question?

    As you point out, NK, the answer to these more significant questions is of far more concern than whether or not Judge Kozinski is “anti-horse.” (Which is a highly dubious accusation on your part, given that one of Judge Kozinki’s biggest fans, Article III Groupie, never reported any such ‘anti-horse-imosity’).

    MKDP (d80e12)

  39. corr:
    My apologies NK, I meant Bridget

    “As you point out, NK, the answer to these more significant questions is of far more concern than whether or not Judge Kozinski is “anti-horse.” (Which is a highly dubious accusation on your part, given that one of Judge Kozinki’s biggest fans, Article III Groupie, never reported any such ‘anti-horse-imosity’).” =

    As you point out, NK, the answer to these more significant questions is of far more concern than whether or not Judge Kozinski is “anti-horse.” (Which is a highly dubious accusation on Bridget’s part, given that one of Judge Kozinki’s biggest fans, Article III Groupie, never reported any such ‘anti-horse-imosity’).

    MKDP (d80e12)

  40. It is more than a bit discomforting to see how many loons this thread attracts. Especially loons that purport to be attorneys.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  41. check out david petrano’s epic whine at http://www.topix.net/forum/city/englewood-fl/TIAU7NAG8AGOJVTO5. his wife, whom he alleges to be autistic, posts under the name “ponyhunterjumper” and claims ownership of, i kid you not, an equine disability service horse! can i bet five dollars on that horse in its next race?

    assistant devil's advocate (4aa038)

  42. ADA, there’s a scam I’ve never seen before … ( uh, not ).

    SPQR (26be8b)

  43. Drumwaster said: So what? Only those operating under their own names get to have opinions? Or is it only if they are the pretentious type of twatwads that have to have the word “Esquire” after their names, as if that actually meant anything?

    Go fuck yourself, counselor.

    In opening, I was a barber for 30 years before becoming an attorney following my having graduated from a law school having the lowest tier order on the ABA list.

    As a barber, I learned to speak my mind absent fear of reprisal by bully-thugs.

    Since Judge Kozinski lifted the WebSENSE firewall, it seems a person can’t bring a case in federal court w/o a pack of anonymous federal court-house bullies making extra-judicial pot-shots about the parties and/or their lawyers in an outcome determinative manner.

    Oh, regarding your closing remark, I wish I could!!!!!!

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  44. Since Judge Kozinski lifted the WebSENSE firewall, it seems a person can’t bring a case in federal court w/o a pack of anonymous federal court-house bullies making extra-judicial pot-shots about the parties and/or their lawyers in an outcome determinative manner.

    David – Please explain this.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  45. Come on, daleyrocks, there is not enough popcorn in all the Walmarts in the world ….

    SPQR (26be8b)

  46. do anonymous federal court-house bullies intimidate you? after only two months in the weight room with my patented procedure (as seen on tv), you can walk down the corridors as a brand new man, utterly fearless of anything you might run into. order now, operators standing by!

    assistant devil's advocate (4aa038)

  47. MKDP – Aren’t there whistleblowing or complaint procedures for you to follow if you have something to report rather than following the bad example of AnnTM that you cite?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  48. SPQR WROTE:
    “Especially loons that purport to be attorneys.”

    I have not ‘purported to be an attorney.”

    I was PREVENTED FROM BECOMING ONE in the Judge Kosinki Court due to lack of meaningful disability access — failure of Chief Judge to implement an intake policy in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to ensure that disabled Americans seeking federal review over California Bar admission procedures whose doctors prescribe paperless all electronic format Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition access, are provided such access in all Federal Courts of the Ninth Circuit.

    That’s why Calif. Supreme Court Chief Justice Ronald M. George has been able to get away with refusing such access to people without arms, quadraplegics, people with learning disabilities/autism, brain & mobility-injured Iraqi war veterans …

    while giving special preferences to GAYS.

    Dontchaknow …

    MKDP (d80e12)

  49. In opening, I was a barber for 30 years before becoming an attorney following my having graduated from a law school having the lowest tier order on the ABA list.

    Sounds like you’re trying out your resume to become a future Democratic Presidential candidate to me. Not a very impressive one, either, Mr. Esq…

    As a barber, I learned to speak my mind absent fear of reprisal by bully-thugs.

    If you had been my barber, with a blade at my throat, and said something so stupidly insulting to me, I would have taken that blade away from you and then given it back. Unfortunately, you would need a crack medical team to take it away from you again, but by then you probably wouldn’t want it anymore anyway.

    Now go fuck off, a’ight?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  50. Catherine The Great liked horses, or so I heard. Did Kozinski have any of that stuff?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  51. Make checks payable to Scott Jacobs…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  52. Daley,

    No, but I’m starting to wonder if Mrs Petrano might…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  53. Mary Katherine, why don’t you and David just show a pair and reveal you are here as a pair.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  54. daleyrocks WROTE:
    “MKDP – Aren’t there whistleblowing or complaint procedures for you to follow if you have something to report rather than following the bad example of AnnTM that you cite?”

    daleyrocks, the answer to your questions is, sadly, No, there are no disability accessible complaint or whistleblowing procedures. All I have access to is whatever is on the Internet and does not require paper — i.e., blogs.

    Show me a paperless all electronic format Dragon NaturallySpeaking Title II Americans With Disabilities Act/Sec. 504/508 Rehab Act accessible “complaint procedure” and “complaint form” with all electronic filing ALA CM/ECF- style, and maybe I would have access to do exactly as you suggest — file a real complaint or a real lawsuit.

    The difference between “AnnTM” and myself is I am a disabled American with a record of being protected under both the ADA and RA; to my knowledge — other than her admitted mental “unhealthy obsession” with me — “AnnTM” does not claim to be a disabled American.

    MKDP (d80e12)

  55. Drumwaster, cool it a bit. That last post seems a bit too threatening to be posted at a site you don’t operate.

    David Petrano, you’re acting the fool. I suggest wandering off to some internet community before offending every regular Patterico.com commentator.

    And I’d just like to, once again, point out that accusing Cyrus Sanai of hacking was inappropriate. He’s a total d-bag but he didn’t break any law by accessing Kozinski’s public web server.

    Just my two cents.

    h2u (81b7bd)

  56. SPQR – The krayzy, it seems to be contagious.

    JD (5f0e11)

  57. Sorry, h2u, elitist scumbags like that really annoy me.

    I’ll start telling him to go play on the freeway, then, shall I?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  58. DW,

    Why the fuck are YOU getting the credit for being the hot head?

    That’s MY job, damnit!!

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  59. “daleyrocks, the answer to your questions is, sadly, No, there are no disability accessible complaint or whistleblowing procedures. All I have access to is whatever is on the Internet and does not require paper — i.e., blogs.”

    I find it very interesting that you have not been able yo get help from the bar association or any public interest legal groups.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  60. Why the fuck are YOU getting the credit for being the hot head?

    Slicing like a bowling ball since ’03, baby!

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  61. Daleyrocks said:
    David – Please explain this.

    I would be happy to, on the condition you reveal your true identity.

    For all I know, you could be a mentally unstable law clerk for a federal judge who routinely spends 95% of your time composing internet extra-judicial gossip about litigants and/or their attorneys having cases before your court in an outcome determinative manner.

    The WebSENSE firewall eviscerated by Judge Kozinski was designed to prohibit court employees from discussing material outside the four corners of the respective cases before the court. In sum, federal court employees are not supposed to spend a single moment of their day on blogs expressing personal opinions about cases, lawyers and parties before their respective judge.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  62. That’s patently ridiculous, Petrano.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  63. SPQR said:
    That’s patently ridiculous, Petrano.

    Please be so kind to define what you mean by “that’s.” Are you referring to the fact I was a barber for 30 years before becoming a lawyer? Is “that” what you find so ridiculous?

    Please also provide a foundation for your assertion beyond your anonymous self-serving statement.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  64. Well, yes, all of your comments have been pretty ridiculous to date.

    But the most ridiculous was your implication that the Websense filter was put in place to keep Federal clerks from discussing ongoing cases. The idea that GSA’s IT people were standing around saying to themselves “Gee, how are we going to make Federal clerks not violate the confidentiality provisions of their employment? Oh, I know! A web filter!” is just ridiculous.

    Internet filters were put in place to keep all the Federal employees from spending their time looking at youporn, icanhascheezburger.com and from finding more video for their judge on youtube.

    If you know that a clerk is posting comments about a case you have on a blog, then prove it otherwise we’ll continue to ridicule you.

    And if you don’t like anonymous commentors, then don’t come here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  65. Oh, and your mother smells of elderberries.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  66. For all I know, you could be a mentally unstable law clerk for a federal judge who routinely spends 95% of your time composing internet extra-judicial gossip about litigants and/or their attorneys having cases before your court in an outcome determinative manner.

    David – For all I know you may be a vindictive, litigation happy frustrated lawyer bent on identity theft or some other crime. No way.

    People have reasons for using screen names. Deal with it.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  67. I would be happy to, on the condition you reveal your true identity.

    Mr. Petrano, you are an idiot. As SPQR rightly points out, Internet Filters will not stop employees from discussing court ongoing cases. They help to prevent employees from visiting URLs that, ideally, have nothing to do with their job.

    If the courts wanted to prevent their employees from discussing confidential matters then they would have to go a lot further than web filters. They’d need to ban cell phones from the office to avoid text messages; they’d need to make the court paperless so private notes could not be passed; they’d need to dismantle the water fountains so gossipy discussion couldn’t occur.

    It’s quite obvious that web filters are not designed for the purpose you claim. You’re just talkin’ nonsense.

    And if you don’t like anonymous commentors, then don’t come here.

    Well said.

    h2u (81b7bd)

  68. Oh, and your mother smells of elderberries.

    Isn’t it the mother who was a hamster, and the father who smelt of elderberries?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  69. I believe MKPD already posted blog material by “AnnTM,” a blogger who repeated made extra-judicial gossip about MKDP while having claimed to clerk at the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals at the same time MKDP had cases pending before her court.

    MKDP is with her disability service horse at the moment. I am confident she will be more than happy to re-post the “AnnTM” material when she returns.

    Mr. Patterico, would you be willing to allow MKDP to re-post the “AnnTM” material?

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  70. Drumwaster, hey you don’t like how I compose my insults, you can just use your real name.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  71. Oh geez… I go do a few practise exams, make some lentil curry, and all hell breaks loose. Thanks to all who responded for me in my absence… and we’ll move our way through this.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  72. It was the curry. It made me feisty.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  73. I go do a few practise exams

    How did you do?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  74. The WebSENSE firewall eviscerated by Judge Kozinski was designed to prohibit court employees from discussing material outside the four corners of the respective cases before the court. In sum, federal court employees are not supposed to spend a single moment of their day on blogs expressing personal opinions about cases, lawyers and parties before their respective judge.

    No, it was not.

    First of all, there is no requirement that federal law clerks live their lives like sequestered witnesses. Given that numerous legal opinions have cited blogs, I find it nearly impossible to believe that blogs are prohibited from consideration.

    Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs.

    Third, rather than try to guess whether or not improper conduct has occurred, one may only look to the opinions rendered under Judge Kozinski’s name. They continue to be brilliant, articulate, and well-researched – all evidence that his clerks are doing their jobs, and doing them superlatively.

    Fourth, it is a horrible misreading of my first post on the Petrano/Kozinski subject to state that I was insulting the Judge. I was doing a countdown, waiting to see how long it would take either Mary Katherine Day-Petrano or her husband to smear his character. Apparently, that happened sometime around my dinner time.

    Finally, as to my anonymity: anonymous speech is protected by the First Amendment. To the extent that you are making a private, not a public, complaint about the matter, it is largely irrelevant. Patterico and a handful of commenters here are aware of my full identity.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  75. Well, my carnivorous dad ate the curry, too, so I guess it was edible. Did well on the exams – hitting all the issues, just need to memorise all the tests, factors, etc.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  76. what’s the story on this disability service horse, anyway? do you write off his hay as a medical expense? how does the irs feel about this? mr. ed would have been a good disability service horse for an autistic person. he’d say “wilburrr, are you posting stupid shit on the internets again?”

    assistant devil's advocate (b9a85d)

  77. Best advice I can give about taking a test? Study your ass off for the week preceding, but take the night off the night prior to the test(s). Don’t get drunk (although a few might not hurt – the goal is to relax a bit, not get blasted and be hung over the next morning), don’t do anything stressful. Just find something you enjoy doing – take a walk, go catch a nice musical (I can heartily recommend ‘Wicked’, fwiw), get a bite to eat at a favored restaurant, whatever you want that has NOTHING to do with the exam material.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  78. Drum – I’m taking it at the Anaheim Convention Center. You can bet that I’ll ruckus around Disney for a break (or post-exam celebration). :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  79. bridget, after your 6:03 comment, I predict you will do well on your bar.

    Remember: focus, focus, focus. During the exam – stay away from all other test takers, do not socialize during the exam. Others will want to revisit exam questions and they’ll throw you off.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. Wicked is playing at the Hollywood Pantages, fwiw. Corner of Hollywood and Vine (or close enough for government work, anyway).

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  81. And SP is right. Don’t let others start second-guessing you, or you will start second-guessing yourself and blow your concentration.

    It’s a trick I’ve used once or twice.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  82. I’m new to this blog, but I have noticed a few things right off the bat.

    1) Cyrus is a terrible attorney, insane, or both.
    2) Scott Jacobs, you crack me up.
    3) All the crushes on bridget are cute.

    Thanks for the entertainment.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  83. bridget said:
    anonymous speech is protected by the First Amendment.

    To a certain extent, you are correct; however, unless you are willing to put your name on-the-line for ALL TO SEE, your anonymous opinions hold as much value as an A/B/C/D multi-state measures your knowledge of the law.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  84. My preferred exam strategy is to ignore the existence of everyone around me, drink a lot of tea, and post-mortem only with certain people. (Alan and I post-mortemed the Federal Jurisdiction exam last year. Helped me to think it all finished and put it behind me.)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  85. Well, if bad analogies were a contest, you’d be king Petrano.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  86. To a certain extent, you are correct;

    A lawyer arguing that First Amendment protections are only partially true?

    I repeat, go fuck yourself.

    Moron.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  87. To a certain extent, you are correct; however, unless you are willing to put your name on-the-line for ALL TO SEE, your anonymous opinions hold as much value as an A/B/C/D multi-state measures your knowledge of the law.

    No, not true at all. My opinions would only be worth little if they were predicated exclusively on personal characteristics of myself, or personal life events.

    The beauty of anonymous speech is that it allows the audience to analyse it according to its merits, not according to their opinion of the speaker. One can rationally prefer that her opinions be evaluated according to their soundness and thoughtfulness, rather than on someone’s opinion of her character; that hardly makes those opinions worthless.

    I will not go through a painful enumeration of the great writers, philosophers, thinkers, philanthropists, and scientists who were either anonymous or used pseudonyms; suffice to say that, as those who wish to remain out of the public eye have given tremendous contributions to civilisation, it is absurd to suggest that full identification is a prerequisite to worth.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  88. Oooooo, bridget is kicking rear and taking names.

    I know Scott is going to be impressed …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  89. It’s pretty clear the only poster on this blog who correctly thinks/reasons outside the A/B/C/D envelope is MKDP. The rest of you choose to stay anonymous as you provide a one-size-fits-all reasoning mechanism well inside the A/B/C/D box.

    In sum, your comments always accuse anyone you disagree with as being:
    (A) un-informed
    (B) un-American
    (C) un-sound
    (D) un-happy

    David F. Petrano Esq. (d80e12)

  90. It’s funny that you use “one-size-fits-all reasoning” to place us in the A/B/C/D box.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  91. The rest of you choose to stay anonymous

    That damned Publius!

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  92. I know Scott is going to be impressed …

    Intelligent posts always impress me…

    She’s made it clear she isn’t interested though, so I’ll not swoon further…

    She is kickin’ some ass though, ain’t she… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  93. I can be the new object of your desire Scott. =) I haven’t shot you down, yet.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  94. Dave Esq, your opinions, with your name proudly attached to them, mean little to nothing. Funny how that works, ain’t it?

    BTW, I’m Pablo. I’m ambivalent to meet you.

    Pablo (99243e)

  95. I haven’t shot you down, yet.

    Yet. *looks meaningfully at Scott*

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  96. ***tries to look innocent***

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  97. [blink blink]

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  98. Drumwaster WROTE:
    “Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs”

    GREAT! I sincerly hope if Judge Kozinski is removed from the Ninth Circuit oon Sania’s complaint, they appoint him to the Eleventh Circuit because it is clear and indisputable law clerks for Eleventh Circuit Judges are NOT spending as much time on their work due to too much time ‘MUCKING about on blogs’ … and I, for one, would LOVE to have a good Judge who would actually read about my case and write a rational opinion in a fair and impartial tribunal. HERE IS THE LESSER LEVEL OF JUSTICE WE GET IN THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT, according to “AnnTM:”

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 119
    (5/18/04 9:15 am)

    Hmm…

    BITING MY TONGUE (because I work for the appellate court that could hear her case, and I have access to her pleadings below).
    * * *
    Spot
    Posts: 71
    (5/18/04 9:24 am)

    OH dear Ann …

    You must have some WICKED bite marks in your tongue right now!

    I dont know how you can STAND it!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 120
    (5/18/04 9:33 am)

    Spot, you have no idea!

    (This message was left blank)
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:33 pm

    Flashy Gray
    Member
    Posts: 1283
    (5/18/04 10:45 am)

    Re: Traffic Ticket

    Certifiable Freak Show!

    I am also lamenting the fact that I missed all this while doing horse-related activities last night!!!

    I heart all the TTR legal eagles who are keeping us updated on this, it’s hilarious!!! Although AnnTM, you need to keep off of here!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 124
    (5/18/04 10:53 am)

    Re: Traffic Ticket

    (This message was left blank)
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/31/04 10:34 pm

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1101
    (5/18/04 11:09 am)

    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=41&stop=60

    Re: DK’s link

    Good catch, Kahuna.

    We have PACER for free.

    I wonder if I can get access even though we are 6th Circuit? Ann, don’t you work for the 11th Circuit Ct of Appeals??

    I have a crazy day, but hopefully will have some time to do some CP legal research.
    * * *
    galloper
    Posts: 199
    (5/18/04 11:28 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    Doo-be-doo-be-doo….

    I have Paaacer….

    (I gotta say, that is an impressive list of defendants!)

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 128
    (5/18/04 11:39 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    GAAAHHH! Galloper, email me! I want to talk about this stuff with somebody and not feel guilty.

    galloper
    Posts: 200
    (5/18/04 11:50 am)

    Email

    Done. You can delete your address now if you want.

    Flashy Gray
    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP

    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1104
    (5/18/04 1:12 pm)

    Re: CP

    I have this insane obsession with meeting her in person. Like, anyone up for a trip to FL??”

    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    SPQR WROTE:
    “If you know that a clerk is posting comments about a case you have on a blog, then prove it ….”

    Are the confessions of an Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal law clerk blogging about a litigant in a case to which she was assigned while at work in a Federal Building on Federal Court computers enough “proof” for you?

    bridget WROTE:
    “First of all, there is no requirement that federal law clerks live their lives like sequestered witnesses. Given that numerous legal opinions have cited blogs, I find it nearly impossible to believe that blogs are prohibited from consideration”

    Really … and next I expect you are going to spount off that it is A-Okay for Federal Circuit Judge’s law clerks and their co-conspirators to CROSS STATE LINES

    David F. Petrano Esq. (23612a)

  99. Yo, Petrano, stop interfering with my game.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  100. I haven’t shot you down, yet.

    Yet. *looks meaningfully at Scott*

    Yeah… I saw that word too…

    They always reject me…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  101. Drumwaster WROTE:

    Do you always start such a long cut and paste with such an obvious lie?

    Oh, wait – you’re a lawyer who clearly doesn’t understand the law.

    Asked and answered.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  102. What do you know .. post an unpopular post, and the post gets blitzed iin the middle of drafting it! As I was saying …

    bridget WROTE:
    “First of all, there is no requirement that federal law clerks live their lives like sequestered witnesses. Given that numerous legal opinions have cited blogs, I find it nearly impossible to believe that blogs are prohibited from consideration”

    Really … and next I expect you are going to spout off that it is A-Okay for Federal Circuit Judge’s law clerks and their co-conspirators to CROSS STATE LINES AND STALK LITIGANTS IN THE CASES ASSIGNED TO THEIR EMPLOYER-JUDGE SO THEY CAN ACQUIRE EXTRINSINC NON-RECORD EVIDENCE FOR THE CASE!

    Why don’t you just admit, the Federal COurts are not perfect, and one HUGE reason why is Judge Kozinski’s 2001 WebSENSE FEderal Courts Computer firewall disabling let just about any opportunistic law clerk “MUCK ABOUT.”

    David F. Petrano Esq. (23612a)

  103. Do not allow your jealousy about not having the qualifications to be hired as a federal clerk colour ;) your opinions on issues. Tsk tsk.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  104. like they couldn’t muck about on their home computers?

    oh, and bridget is holding out for a real man, the kind of rough-hewn hunk of masculinity you rarely see these days, who will make her just a little weak in the knees and sighing with pleasurable anticipation when she sets eyes on him. i know just where she can find one!

    assistant devil's advocate (b9a85d)

  105. Comment by David F. Petrano Esq. — 6/30/2008 @ 7:29 pm

    Seek. Therapy.

    h2u (4a7c7f)

  106. Though if Tlove keeps up those kinda comments, you never know… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  107. Now now Petrano…don’t get your knickers in a bunch

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  108. i know just where she can find one!

    No good, ADA.. She already shot me down… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  109. Drumwaster ALLEGED:
    “Drumwaster WROTE:

    Do you always start such a long cut and paste with such an obvious lie?”

    Tell U what, Drummerboy, I won’t regard that post as defamatory if you prove “AnnTM” is a lie — maybe you could start with her IP #s. “AnnTM” already made a tacit admission she made these posts and that they are true under the Eleventh Circuit tacit admission rule.

    Notably, “AnnTM” posted her posts on a blog in CALIFORNIA — jurisdiction of the NINTH CIRCUIT …

    Oh, and guess WHAT ELSE ???? “AnnTM’s co-conspirators admitted to procuring at “AnnTM’s” direction CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION about me from a NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS clerk … wrongdoing BY TWO CALIFORNIA LAWYERS (one of which is was an Eleventh CIrcuit Court of Apepal law clerk) within the direct and current ACTIONABLE investigatory and disciplinary jurisdiction of Hon. Chief Judge Alex Kozinski AT THIS VERY MOMENT:

    “squishy
    Member
    Posts: 1625
    (5/18/04 1:47 pm)

    Re: lol

    I couldn’t see the replies to the Wellington link. It will only show me the ad itself?

    AnnTM, what do they tell you appellate circuit guys about confidentiality of records? I was wondering because I called on a 9th Cir. case to get the name of the attorney of record, and the clerk was all freaked out to give it to me, and told me that if anyone asked, I didn’t learn it from him??! Isn’t that public record, so what is the construction that apparently prohibits court employees from revealing public records? Just wonderin’. Congrats by the way on landing an appellate court job!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 130
    (5/18/04 1:55 pm)

    Re: lol

    Squishy, you know what? I don’t even remember what they said about confidentiality of records. …

    I just feel weird using passwords for PACER and CHASER that are given to me as a court employee for research purposes, and then looking up a case just because I’ve heard about the plaintiff and think she’s a nutjob. But I don’t see anything wrong with just providing the name or contact info for an attorney of record. …

    … But they never said anything about having an unhealthy obsession with a litigant I encounter on an internet BB.”

    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=81&stop=100

    If you all Kozinski supporters believe Judge Kozinski is so sacrosanct, then why don’t we see Judge Kozinski acting on his public pronouncements his Ninth Circuit Court is so fair and impartial by OPENING AN IMMEDIATEL INVESTIGATION INTO THE HOW/WHY THIS “squishy” and “AnnTM” covertly obtained CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT ME to ex parte extrinsic it into my then-pending Eleventh Circuit cases?

    Last I checked, if outsiders wish to bring non-record evidence into a person’s case on appeal, they need to file a motion to intervene and a motion for taking judicial notice for which Due Process accords a HEARING.

    Isn’t Judge Kozinski the one who wrote that great dissent in the Manual Real Judicial Misconduct disciplinary case? If he is as fair and impartial and believes in the integrity of the Federal Court as you say, then I will believe it when I SEE him open an ACTUAL investigation into the above NINTH CIRCUIT misconduct that irreparably prejudice my Eleventh Circuit Americans With Disabilities Act bar admission (FL and CA) and Vessel Mistress admiralty cases.

    Until then, all you have to say about how great Judge Kosinzki is, is simply Foo Foo Dust.

    MKDP (23612a)

  110. Mr. Petrano,

    Did you lose a case and a several-million dollar luxury yacht because you went into court unprepared? Because you failed to investigate, until weeks after the trial, that your opponent was not a qulaified ship’s captain but a roast-beef carver and a very smooth-talking conman? who subsequently ran off with the ship?

    nk (11c9c1)

  111. h2u and I agree on something!

    Did I shoot someone down? I only shoot down people who violate my dating rules or don’t give me lots of chocolate. (Alan was kind enough to make finals a bit nicer by giving up some of his Ferraro-Rocher.)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  112. Did you see the part in Legally Blonde (the original, of course) when Elle Woods slaps the nerd in the face and says she wanted him, then suddenly the hot chicks that were mean to him want a date? I feel like I just lived that moment.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  113. Tell U what, Drummerboy, I won’t regard that post as defamatory

    Regard it however you wish. You said I wrote something that I did not write. That is a lie.

    if you prove “AnnTM” is a lie

    I don’t have to prove that she is a liar, because I’ve just proved that YOU are a liar.

    Care to apologize, goat-fucker?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  114. To the Petranos:

    I’m confused. How do you know AnnTM was a law clerk for a federal appellate judge? People aren’t always what they say they are on the internet. In addition, if she worked for an appellate judge, isn’t it possible she was employed as a secretary, court clerk, court reporter, or other non-lawyer position?

    DRJ (2ccf5c)

  115. I spend most of my life as the nerd who can’t get a date… :p

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  116. I spend most of my time in really adorable shoes helping nerds get dates.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  117. And quoting movies like Legally Blonde.

    Tlove (4a03a6)

  118. mkdp, your autism is showing. you think your posts are brilliant, but normal people think they’re incoherent babble. foo foo dust?

    assistant devil's advocate (b9a85d)

  119. really adorable shoes

    Last season Pradas, am I right?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  120. And where can I send the Ferraro-Rocher? :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  121. Drumwaster WROTE:
    “You said I wrote something that I did not write. That is a lie.

    if you prove “AnnTM” is a lie

    I don’t have to prove that she is a liar, because I’ve just proved that YOU are a liar.”

    You say you did not write and sign/post the comment below with the statement I responded to and you name as the poster?

    “Drumwaster WROTE:

    Do you always start such a long cut and paste with such an obvious lie?

    Oh, wait – you’re a lawyer who clearly doesn’t understand the law.

    Asked and answered.

    Comment by Drumwaster — 6/30/2008 @ 7:29 pm”

    So you allege I am a “liar” by suggesting that you signed the post to which I responded? I think your signature speaks for itself.

    MKDP (05f314)

  122. So you allege I am a “liar” by suggesting that you signed the post to which I responded?

    Yes. When your incoherent post @ #98 started with:

    Drumwaster WROTE:
    “Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs”

    You are lying. I did not write those words. Any further attempt to assert to the contrary simply shreds what ephemeral wisps of credibility you might still retain.

    All clear now, you stupid bint?

    Anything else I can embarrass you about, just say so.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  123. h2u and I agree on something!

    Fairly shocking, I know! :)

    Comment by MKDP — 6/30/2008 @ 7:52 pm

    Holy smokes. Who drove the trolls out from under their bridge?

    h2u (4a7c7f)

  124. MKPD, David…

    David, at comment #98, quoted the following:

    Drumwaster WROTE:
    “Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs”

    That is, in fact, a lie. It is wrong. It is counter to fact.

    What you quoted was actually writen by the dear, dear Bridget at comment #74.

    You may now admit to meing the massive fucking retards that you are.

    And, dear cock-wad, you may stfu…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  125. You’re most welcome…

    The first clue was that they attibuted something to you that seemed intelligent. :-D

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  126. *pokes Scott in the eye*

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  127. Hahahaha. Love the reference. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has seen it.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  128. Hey! No eye gouging. UFC rules apply.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  129. Drumwaster WROTE:
    “When your incoherent post @ #98 started with:

    Drumwaster WROTE:
    ‘Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs’

    You are lying. I did not write those words.”

    Well, so you say Drummerboy. I will have to take your word for it, I guess. But as you can see from the way the post reads below, it visually appears that the commenter at the top of the post is the poster, which visually appears to be you, due to this blog failing to provide separation lines between posts to demark one from another. For the visually impaired, U.S. Treasury money is not the only words that a person cannot read; visually inaccessible blog posts and paper court pleadings fall into that same category. With no separation lines, the poster could be the name at the top .. or the bottom .. or WHO KNOWS given all the anonymity and complaining going on around these parts.

    Nevertheless, a visual impairment =/= a “liar.” Disability status =/= an act.

    My apologies if you were not the poster. I am not above apologizing for text presented in a format that the vision impaired cannot read. But, you WERE the poster of the other post to which I responded, causing you to demonstrate such an overreaction.

    “Comment by Drumwaster — 6/30/2008 @ 6:02 pm

    The WebSENSE firewall eviscerated by Judge Kozinski was designed to prohibit court employees from discussing material outside the four corners of the respective cases before the court. In sum, federal court employees are not supposed to spend a single moment of their day on blogs expressing personal opinions about cases, lawyers and parties before their respective judge.

    No, it was not.

    First of all, there is no requirement that federal law clerks live their lives like sequestered witnesses. Given that numerous legal opinions have cited blogs, I find it nearly impossible to believe that blogs are prohibited from consideration.

    Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs ….”

    MKDP (05f314)

  130. Are these Petrano pompous arrogant Esq using asshat and MKdP for real? Is there a shortage of lithium out West?

    JD (5f0e11)

  131. MKPD, you’re a fucking moron…

    But as you can see from the way the post reads below, it visually appears that the commenter at the top of the post is the poster

    The only way you could think this is if you lacked the pattern-recognition skills of a lobotomized chimp that’s been dead three weeks.

    You see, starting from the FIRST FUCKING POST IN EACH TOPIC, the poster is listed afterthe comment.

    So, really, since you lack such basic skills, why should we believe any single bit of analysis you bring foward?

    You or David…

    Who, btw, is the person yo should be pretending to be, since he was the one who posted #98, and is thus the person we’re actually talking to…

    Also, I find the following (from comment #89) God Damned priceless…

    It’s pretty clear the only poster on this blog who correctly thinks/reasons outside the A/B/C/D envelope is MKDP.

    That’s from ol’ Davey…

    Isn’t MKDP his wife’s initials? I would love to know just how similar you two’s IPs are…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  132. I’m just skimming over this thread, but I’ve seen several comments by Drumwaster that I don’t really appreciate. This is not a blog where commenters routinely tell each other to fuck off, and I don’t want it to become one. ‘Nuff said, I hope.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  133. Guess it pays to stay anonymous a un-American.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  134. and

    TLove (4a03a6)

  135. I freely admit to having done basily the same, Patterico… People attcking fellow commenters for daring to be anon and demanding they post their Bar #’s (Which is funny, since she hasn’t taken the bar yet) annoys me…

    I’ll try and tone it down, but tell me… the IP for MKDP and David Petrano… They aren’t the same, are they?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  136. nevertheless, a visual impairment =/= a “liar”.

    no, but making false, baseless assertions, visually impaired or not, === a “liar”. also, the inability to distinguish between drumwaster and bridget === “retarded”. bridget’s the one we’re all hitting on (bridget, i get my valrhona chocolate in bulk from chocosphere.com), i’d be surprised if someone hit on drumwaster.

    assistant devil's advocate (b9a85d)

  137. “basicly”, not “basily”…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  138. Damnit old man… Back off!

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  139. I mean, come on. They are freakin’ whack jobs.

    JD (5f0e11)

  140. Well, so you say Drummerboy.

    The facts say so, you stupid bint. Trying to argue otherwise beclowns you. Not that I would have expected anything less from an “Esquire”-type assclown like you and your alleged spouse, but still…

    I will have to take your word for it, I guess.

    Not at all. Pay attention and learn to read simple English. That will help you avoid looking like such a moron. (Your alleged clients will have to work harder to discover this, but the truth will out.)

    it visually appears that the commenter at the top of the post is the poster

    Only to someone who can’t be bothered to actually read the comments. Which, by your own definition, includes you.

    Nevertheless, a visual impairment =/= a “liar.”

    True, and completely irrelevant. “Asserting something as true that is not in accordance with reality” DOES equal “liar”. (Not to mention the “wounded duck” ploy…)

    You were positively asserting something that was not true. How else would YOU define it?

    My apologies if you were not the poster.

    Like I said before, any time you want to be roundly embarrassed by reality, you just let me know.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  141. I’ve seen several comments by Drumwaster that I don’t really appreciate.

    My sincerest apologies for offending you, mein host. My asperity was addressed at others, not you, and was done without your knowledge or permission. I accept full responsibility for those comments.

    I apologize for any hassles I may cause you.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  142. i’d be surprised if someone hit on drumwaster.

    My wife thinks I’m pretty hot…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  143. I’m going back to lurking.

    Can’t get any love around here unless your name is Bridget Bridget Bridget.

    =P

    TLove (4a03a6)

  144. SJ WROTE:
    “David, at comment #98, quoted the following:

    Drumwaster WROTE:
    ‘Second, Judge Kozinski’s clerks work long, hard hours. They hardly have time, amidst doing 60 drafts of every published opinion and researching every case (not just 1 in 3) that is on the Judge’s docket for oral argument, to muck about on blogs’

    That is, in fact, a lie. It is wrong. It is counter to fact.

    What you quoted was actually writen by the dear, dear Bridget at comment #74.”

    Thank you SJ for tipping me off that Drummerboy accused ME of being a “liar” because DFP has a vision impairment and can’t see two feet in front of himself w/o his glasses. Which I always have to find (law clerk duties) because he can’t find where he left them when not wearing them, either.

    But at least we are getting somewhere … the blog format, rather than the criticized disabled Americans is what is “retarded” …

    tell me, is that a disability slur some of you Federal Court law clerks in the loop use amongst yourselves about disabled Americans? For shame.

    The Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal law clerk and her California and Tennessee Bar member co-conspirators really have you 1Ls beat when it comes to mockery /irrational discrimination against the disabled being used ex parte extrinsically by playing on blogs all day on Federal Court computers to decide actual Federal cases pending in our Federal Courts:

    “fouronthefloor
    Member
    Posts: 1357
    (5/12/04 5:17 pm)
    Re: I am the proud owner . . .
    ________________________________________
    Does she explain how having non verbal expression problems gives her the right to lunge at Devon?
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    blaaacksheep
    Member
    Posts: 2948
    (5/12/04 5:22 pm)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    I have two complaints:

    My mother stained my nursery furniture with me in utero during the final two months of her pregnancy. I can’t do math.

    Three Mile Island robbed me of having knee-shooter boobs.

    I would like to:

    a.) get out of having to do any math in my professional and personal lives, because of my disability.

    b.) be considered Baywatch-endowed by the masses, though I sport only B-cups, becuse of my disability.

    Any lawyers willing to take on my case?

    I f*cking love CP, man. As the day is long.

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 46
    (5/12/04 5:25 pm)
    Re: I am the proud owner . . .
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    As rileyt said on TOB, it is becoming increasingly clear why CP is not a licensed attorney. She cannot think logically and cannot reason. And let’s face it, every client who walked through her door would hear: “let’s sue ‘em under the ADA. Disability is a term of art, you know. I’m sure we can come up with something. Are you ever bored at work? You are? Well hot damn, there you go: you’ve got ADD and it wasn’t accommodated! Surely this will get us custody of your mutant children!”
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”

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    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
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    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 32
    (5/12/04 5:36 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    CrAzY as a LOON!

    Thank you for making my day extra special, Towanda!
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1044
    (5/12/04 5:37 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Indepthly, quit having such an attitudinal barrier.
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    MyPatey
    Member
    Posts: 98
    (5/12/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Thank you Towanda, I needed a good laugh today. What the hell is she saying?! She doesn’t know her ass from her elbow.

    Since I’m short and fat does that mean I get to have a bye to the Olympics based on my body type disability!!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1046
    (5/12/04 5:44 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Yes, and blacky gets one for her boob disability!

    We’re going to have one hell of a team this year!!
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    steadyPace
    Member
    Posts: 920
    (5/12/04 5:50 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    I definitely should get a bye because I’m somewhat plumb and untalented.

    Towanda – that email was fucking awesome! LOVE IT! Heeee!
    I do believe this proves, without a doubt, that CP is batshit crazy.

    hrmmmm…..I wonder if I’ll get a lawsuit slapped on me too?
    —————–
    “What kind of scary ass clowns came to your birthday party?” Chandler Bing
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    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1048
    (5/12/04 5:55 pm)
    Re: Re:
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    Batshit crazy is my new favorite word.

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 48
    (5/12/04 5:56 pm)
    Re: Re:
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    Blaackie, if you have a boob disability, what the hell do I have? Maybe a nonboobular disorder?

    And I concur with your new rule on posting private e-mails.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
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    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 106
    (5/12/04 9:32 pm)
    Tow, me too!
    ________________________________________
    Tow, can you send that email along to me? Let me know if you need me to remind you of my email address.

    I have a bizarre fascination for CP. On the one hand, she’s certainly a hoot , but on the other hand, I feel bad because she’s clearly crazy. Maybe it’s the psych major in me, but I find myself analyzing her posts, reading and re-reading them, trying to figure out what her deal is. She’s definitely not just an opinionated gal. She’s off her rocker, no doubt.

    elizabeth2
    Member
    Posts: 518
    (5/12/04 10:04 pm)
    Title III?
    ________________________________________
    I give. Title VII, I know. Title IX, I know.

    But Title III? I give.

    I guess I’ll go look it up, unless someone here can post a summary. . . .

    Edited to add: I looked it up, and “title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12181). . .prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability by public accommodations and requires places of public accommodation and commercial facilities to be designed, constructed, and altered in compliance with the accessibility standards established by this part.”

    I learn something new every day. Go figure.
    Edited by: elizabeth2 at: 5/12/04 10:06 pm

    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2316
    (5/12/04 10:19 pm)
    Re: Title III?
    ________________________________________
    I still don’t understand why she can’t freaking lunge her horse at 3:00 am with the rest of the qualifiers!

    Can you imagine the stink raised if she decides to market sabino pony warmbloods?
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 528
    (5/12/04 11:27 pm)
    OMFG!
    ________________________________________
    Wingsie, the thought is too insane to comprehend.

    Imagine the implications of someone who is colour blind wanting to purchase a “coloured sport horse”. Does that make one chromatically challenged under the ADA and does it grant you a bye for dual registration for your sabino TB’S?

    Add me to the list of those who want to read the dirt in full… creseida at yahoo dot com
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    rocky72
    Member
    Posts: 52
    (5/13/04 12:50 am)
    Re: Loco…
    ________________________________________
    Clearly batshit crazy…

    By the way does anyone think I can get away with naming a new jumper “Batshit Crazy”?

    Maybe I’ll post on TOB and ask for opinions?”
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    “Bells
    Member
    Posts: 146
    (5/13/04 11:00 am)
    Re: CA v. FL
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    yep, she is batshit crazy. I strongly suspect she fell off her wonderful horse that no one else can ride and damaged her head

    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 530
    (5/13/04 11:46 am)
    Ok….
    ________________________________________
    Something seriously doesn’t add up here.

    She is broke. Her husband doesn’t make much money as a lawyer (for whatever reason). Therefore she lives on a leaky sailboat in Florida. I can only assume that since she lives on a boat, she is paying for wireless (satellite) internet so that she can make these posts. Not cheap.

    She also needs someone to type/scribe for her? She can ride a “too hot for mere mortals to handle” horse, but she can’t type? The few autisics I know can communicate BETTER by typing than by speaking. So she can talk her talk just fine, but she is incapable of typing or writing? How does she spout out these posts/emails if she can’t type?
    wridter
    Member
    Posts: 102
    (5/13/04 11:50 am)
    Re: Ok….
    ________________________________________
    Se said something at one point about having a voice-translation do-dad that she speaks to and it types out the words as she speaks.
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    petitcheval
    Member
    Posts: 217
    (5/13/04 1:08 pm)
    Re: Re:
    ________________________________________
    I can’t get past QI”S “nonboobular disorder”. I have that too…as well as the inability to do math. Does that qualify me for ADA?

    I really must go to the HJ bb more often–I love it when Static lets me know that there is a crisis over there, so I go to witness the impending trainwreck.

    I don’t think I even want to read Tow’s email from her—too complicated and it will just piss me off.

    You know? I am 42, I’m stiff and sore from having fucked up my back twice. I was never very athletic in some ways…that’s life. Just because I don’t have the stamina to climb Mt Everest, should they make special escalators to get me to the top? What if I were just obese like the 545 lb behomoth that was on ET the other night? She couldn’t get out of her wheel chair she was so fat, but she is considered “disabled”…do we make special exceptions for HER to be able to walk to the base of El Capitan in a national park because she wants to see it?

    I am not knocking ADa rules, but where does one draw the line? CP seems to think everything comes down to ADA rules. I always wanted to event in the Olympics–I sucked, and didn’t have enough money. It wasnt’ rocket science that after about age 14 I realized that I peaked at Prelim, nothing higher was gonna happen for me, because I didn’t have the talent, whatever.

    MGE broke her leg—we are an equestrian sport, we have horses as teammates. So, at what point does the horse get dispensation for injuries? Gee , my horse can’t canter because of some hindend issue…can I get some special thing to let me show first level dressage and skip the part we can’t do because of my horse’s disability?

    Sorry to ramble–I jsut had all these random, bizarre thoughts running thru my head. You know? I smoked a lot of dope too, maybe the loss of braincells I have now (in addition to the nonboobular disorder) will help me qualify for something other than just being stupid now.
    Bush/Cheney 2004-”Less CIA….more CYA”
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    SwedishOxer
    Member
    Posts: 291
    (5/13/04 4:04 pm)
    Re: nonboobular
    ________________________________________
    I must say, though, Flashy raised a good point….maybe I need to check into this ADA stuff…..maybe a good way to get that 6 figure amateur horse by the end of the year.
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    This Is MAD
    Member
    Posts: 160
    (5/13/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: re:
    ________________________________________
    Quote:
    ________________________________________
    Red rover, red rover, Let the ADA come over!
    ________________________________________

    NO! Because then she will have a legit claim for being mentally disabled after this BB is done with her!
    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1551
    (5/13/04 7:50 pm)
    Re: re:
    ________________________________________
    My boyfriend has an internship for the summer with the planning department in a neighboring city. When I got home today, he was working on a map that he’s making. He’s coding the sidewalks and intersections for ADA compliance. How timely!”
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    “Barry
    Member
    Posts: 34
    (5/13/04 8:12 pm)
    Abberational barriors and the socratic method
    ________________________________________
    This discust me. Ononeon I dont know what municipal jurstiction you live in but using internes rather then disabled sailors to ensure ADA compliance is actionable under section 3.4.IXVI.(a) of the ADA section 4. Thus the Socartiac method is in effect. Precendets have been set in California, Cleveland and Ohio.The supreme court of Minnesota ruled in Andy v Capp 3-1 in favor of interns but the ruling was overturned in appelate jury by a justice of the piece. Nenertheless, the hostility persists and the ADA allows me to post this here under the 5th ammendemnt. This is what we call an arbitrational barrier. ”
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    MKDP (05f314)

  145. I could love you, TLove (within the context of this forum, of course).

    Now for a breath I tarry,
    And once more fall apart.
    Come, take my hand and tell me,
    What is in thine heart?

    nk (11c9c1)

  146. LOL… Brady bunch ftw…

    What’s your opinion on RPGs, video games, and ovies from comicbooks?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  147. I could love you, TLove

    I’m so ratting you out to your wife… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  148. DRJ WROTE:
    “To the Petranos:

    I’m confused. How do you know AnnTM was a law clerk for a federal appellate judge? People aren’t always what they say they are on the internet. In addition, if she worked for an appellate judge, isn’t it possible she was employed as a secretary, court clerk, court reporter, or other non-lawyer position?”

    DRJ, “AnnTM” identified herself as a law clerk for Hon. Stanley Marcus, Eleventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeal Judge, and subsequently made a tacit admission under the Eleventh Circuit’s tacit admission rule to DFP it was her:

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1052
    (5/13/04 9:13 am)
    heehee
    ________________________________________
    It looks as though now she is crying sex discrimination, too (see the Chris v. Margie comment at the end ).

    Is it even POSSIBLE to read 5000 cases w/o making your eyes bleed? Do you legal eagles even think there *are* 500 ADA cases out there??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/13/04 9:23 am
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    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 51
    (5/13/04 9:21 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    No, no. She said 5,000, not 500. There could be that many given the number of years the act has been around, I guess. Lord knows I wouldn’t want to have to read all of them. All she’s proving is that she’s completely insane and has far too much time on her hands. Get a job, freak! If she really had all those financial problems and you couple that with the fact that she is batshit crazy, she’ll never be admitted to the bar. Give it up nutbag!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
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    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 108
    (5/13/04 9:32 am)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    I have free Westlaw, so I will check…

    *running off to log on to Westlaw*

    OK, there are about 10,600 if you search in all federal databases. If you search in just federal appellate courts and above, there are about 3350. So yes, I suppose she could have read 5000 ADA cases. Sad, but true.

    So, the write-on competition for the law journals when I was a first year law student involved Title III of the ADA, the Casey Martin v. PGA case that has been referenced on TOB. We had to research and write our memos prior to the Supreme Court decision, and we had to predict how the case would come out. I did not agree with the majority of the Court. I thought Martin should walk the golf course, or not play in PGA tournaments. Guess that means me and CP don’t see eye to eye, huh?
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/13/04 9:34 am
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    Milk Warts
    Member
    Posts: 87
    (5/13/04 10:35 am)
    yeesh!
    ________________________________________
    she’s read 5000 cases on this subject alone? Please add to her list of disabilities “OCD.”

    Interestingly enough, there are many aspects of practicing law where one does not need to go to court regularly, if ever. Why she doesn’t pursue a career in those fields is quite beyond me.

    I’m starting to agree with the theory that the cervical injury also included a head injury.”
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    ““AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 119
    (5/18/04 9:15 am)

    Hmm…

    BITING MY TONGUE (because I work for the appellate court that could hear her case, and I have access to her pleadings below”
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    MKDP (05f314)

  149. I had to look up RPG – so clearly not my thing.

    But I love video games (I’ve even been trying to resurrect my Atari)

    Depends on the movie…

    TLove (4a03a6)

  150. Scott #147,

    Many have embraced treachery. Noone has embraced the treacher.

    nk (11c9c1)

  151. #149

    Role Playing Games… D&D, Shadowrun, Rolemaster, Traveller…

    Atari? God I miss Combat! my 360 eats a lot of free time for me…

    Batmn Begins, Iron Man, Spiderman 1&2 (3 blew), Wanted…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  152. MKDP,

    Thanks for your reply but it looks like AnnTM refrained from discussing the case. Is that correct?

    DRJ (2ccf5c)

  153. #150

    If I thought there was any chance in hell of Bridget embracing me, do you think I’d still be in Illinois? :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  154. Scott #153,

    You asked me once, what do I have against lady lawyers. I said. “Nothing. Not ever.” Are you starting to understand now?

    nk (11c9c1)

  155. Nah, I don’t do the RPG – unless you meant that in a totally different context.

    I love my atari – I am dying to get back to Pitfall and Kaboom! I have about 45 games just waiting for me to play… I had a PS2 but I somehow let the ex bf get it in the breakup – and have been on the Atari resurrection kick since. I could use a 360…I’d even take a Wii.

    Haven’t seen Iron Man or Wanted, but I love the others.

    Sooo..no to RPG and yes to video games and movies from comic books.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  156. LOL… Mayhaps, sir… Mayhaps…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  157. #155

    that’s ok… Your context answer makes up for it… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  158. ;)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  159. Oh the questions I could be asking… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  160. nk, thanks for being the Elle Woods to my nerd. =)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  161. I’ve never been one to shy away from questions.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  162. Yeah, but Patrick would start telling us to get a room… ;)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  163. True. So how about that ethics expert and his commentary thingy? Intresting, wasn’t it?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  164. grrrr…interesting.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  165. Heh…

    As a non-lawyer who’s just a legal-geek, I find that kinda stuff realy fascinating…

    Even if, as a layman, I just keep thinking “you know what? So what? He’s a normal guy… Leave him alone”

    Because God knows, I have worse on my hard drive… I couldn’t even start to claim it was humorus stuff…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  166. I say, who cares what he had on his computer. Even IF he had videos of bestiality why would that make him any less qualified to be the judge in that litigation than someone who didn’t have any? What if he was a female judge who had that content? Would the response be different?

    The whole thing is a waste of time and an underhanded dirty move by a sheisty lawyer that gives the rest of us a bad name.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  167. 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name…

    :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  168. Maybe – but you seem to like us…

    TLove (4a03a6)

  169. Get a room!

    Heck, get a chat room!

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  170. Awwww…don’t be jealous bridget. You can come too.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  171. :)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  172. I like where this is going…

    Giggity!

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  173. Eeewwwwwww!!!

    I thought that anything would be an improvement on a Mary Katherine Day-Petrano (MKDP, here) and her hubby’s hijackings, but, alas, I was wrong. Blog-canoodling is way worse. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  174. That’s me… Lowering expectations since 1978…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  175. Interesting choice of a year.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  176. He’s 29, so I’m assuming that was the year he was born. (Perhaps it was when he was conceived, but it’s really hard to disappoint while in the womb.)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  177. I remember starting to SERIOUSLY regret Carter’s Presidency during that year…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  178. Not really… Was when I was born…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  179. I figured. Me too.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  180. Mary Katherine Day-Petrano

    What, no ‘Rodham’?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  181. [Slips outside and quietly closes door behind her.]

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  182. I’d say “Get off my lawn”, but it isn’t mine.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  183. July 19th, 1978…

    A day that will live in infamy…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  184. 2 and a half weeks until the big 3-0.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  185. God, don’t remind me… I’ll be OLD…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  186. July 19th, 1978…

    A day that will live in infamy…

    The ninth anniversary of Chappaquiddick?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  187. Hey, watch it. I’ll be 6 months into OLD when u get there.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  188. You know what that song says about older women… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  189. no I don’t.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  190. It’s a C&W song, TL…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  191. Now *I* feel like the old one…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  192. Sounds about right.

    Drumwaster, why is that your name?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  193. Long story short: it was a nick bestowed upon me almost a quarter-century ago by my best friend, Metalstorm, and his girlfriend (now wife), Flamefingers.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  194. ok, time to hit the hay…

    Night folks…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  195. That didn’t give me any insight into your psyche at all.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  196. nitey nite.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  197. DRJ WROTE:
    “MKDP,

    Thanks for your reply but it looks like AnnTM refrained from discussing the case. Is that correct?”

    No, DRJ, that is not correct. This was an appeal involving special paperless all electronic speech recognition accommodations under Title II Americans With Disabilities Act case/Tennessee v. Lane against the Calif. attorney licensing and Florida attorney licensing authorities and State Courts, raising the issue of the same accommodations in the Federal Court under the U.S. Judicial Conference Communicatin Disability Auxiliary Aids and Services Policy — “AnnTM” and her co-conspirators engaged in ex parte extrinsic irrational discrimination, mockery, making their own diagnoses found nowhere in the court record which they used as the basis of decision to deny the accommodations:

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/12/04 4:58 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    By the way, who in the name of all things holy married Cellos Pride?!? I’d love to get a look at that dude if he in fact exists. Damn.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    miniwelsh
    Moderator
    Posts: 1717
    (5/12/04 4:58 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    Oh man. That person is really crazy. I wish someone would send her a link to the TTR.

    squishy
    Member
    Posts: 1582
    (5/12/04 5:03 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    RileyT made me laugh out loud. Forks in eyeballs = disability

    fouronthefloor
    Member
    Posts: 1356
    (5/12/04 5:13 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    I am trying to figure out what is wrong with CellosPride, based on her own description of her disability.

    She says:

    ” have a combination of autistic spectrum/specific learning disabilities, impacted by cervical injury ”

    So what the hell is that?

    Here’s what I can muster up:

    “Those people who have difficulty in the non-verbal parts of communication (including their desire and ability to use language in a social context) may be considered to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD).”

    How exactly does that affect riding?
    fouronthefloor
    Member
    Posts: 1357
    (5/12/04 5:17 pm)
    Re: I am the proud owner . . .
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    Does she explain how having non verbal expression problems gives her the right to lunge at Devon?

    blaaacksheep
    Member
    Posts: 2948
    (5/12/04 5:22 pm)
    Re:
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    I have two complaints:

    My mother stained my nursery furniture with me in utero during the final two months of her pregnancy. I can’t do math.

    Three Mile Island robbed me of having knee-shooter boobs.

    I would like to:

    a.) get out of having to do any math in my professional and personal lives, because of my disability.

    b.) be considered Baywatch-endowed by the masses, though I sport only B-cups, becuse of my disability.

    Any lawyers willing to take on my case?

    I f*cking love CP, man. As the day is long.

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 46
    (5/12/04 5:25 pm)
    Re: I am the proud owner . . .
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    As rileyt said on TOB, it is becoming increasingly clear why CP is not a licensed attorney. She cannot think logically and cannot reason. And let’s face it, every client who walked through her door would hear: “let’s sue ‘em under the ADA. Disability is a term of art, you know. I’m sure we can come up with something. Are you ever bored at work? You are? Well hot damn, there you go: you’ve got ADD and it wasn’t accommodated! Surely this will get us custody of your mutant children!”
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20

    continued on next post:

    MKDP (ab5405)

  198. continuing from above:

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1043
    (5/12/04 5:35 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    should I feel bad for posting it? or do ya think I’m right, and I’ll probably have a summons on my doorstep like, yesterday so I sholdn’t really worry about it??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:36 pm

    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 32
    (5/12/04 5:36 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    CrAzY as a LOON!

    Thank you for making my day extra special, Towanda!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1044
    (5/12/04 5:37 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Indepthly, quit having such an attitudinal barrier.
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    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 33
    (5/12/04 5:41 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Quote:
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    Indepthly, quit having such an attitudinal barrier.
    ________________________________________

    Would having that qualify me for a bye?
    MyPatey
    Member
    Posts: 98
    (5/12/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Thank you Towanda, I needed a good laugh today. What the hell is she saying?! She doesn’t know her ass from her elbow.

    Since I’m short and fat does that mean I get to have a bye to the Olympics based on my body type disability!!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1046
    (5/12/04 5:44 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
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    Yes, and blacky gets one for her boob disability!

    We’re going to have one hell of a team this year!!
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    steadyPace
    Member
    Posts: 920
    (5/12/04 5:50 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    I definitely should get a bye because I’m somewhat plumb and untalented.

    Towanda – that email was fucking awesome! LOVE IT! Heeee!
    I do believe this proves, without a doubt, that CP is batshit crazy.

    hrmmmm…..I wonder if I’ll get a lawsuit slapped on me too?
    —————–
    “What kind of scary ass clowns came to your birthday party?” Chandler Bing
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    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1048
    (5/12/04 5:55 pm)
    Re: Re:
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    Batshit crazy is my new favorite word.

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 48
    (5/12/04 5:56 pm)
    Re: Re:
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    Blaackie, if you have a boob disability, what the hell do I have? Maybe a nonboobular disorder?

    And I concur with your new rule on posting private e-mails.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
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    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 106
    (5/12/04 9:32 pm)
    Tow, me too!
    ________________________________________
    Tow, can you send that email along to me? Let me know if you need me to remind you of my email address.

    I have a bizarre fascination for CP. On the one hand, she’s certainly a hoot , but on the other hand, I feel bad because she’s clearly crazy. Maybe it’s the psych major in me, but I find myself analyzing her posts, reading and re-reading them, trying to figure out what her deal is. She’s definitely not just an opinionated gal. She’s off her rocker, no doubt.

    elizabeth2
    Member
    Posts: 518
    (5/12/04 10:04 pm)
    Title III?
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    I give. Title VII, I know. Title IX, I know.

    But Title III? I give.

    I guess I’ll go look it up, unless someone here can post a summary. . . .

    Edited to add: I looked it up, and “title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12181). . .prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability by public accommodations and requires places of public accommodation and commercial facilities to be designed, constructed, and altered in compliance with the accessibility standards established by this part.”

    I learn something new every day. Go figure.
    Edited by: elizabeth2 at: 5/12/04 10:06 pm

    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2316
    (5/12/04 10:19 pm)
    Re: Title III?
    ________________________________________
    I still don’t understand why she can’t freaking lunge her horse at 3:00 am with the rest of the qualifiers!

    Can you imagine the stink raised if she decides to market sabino pony warmbloods?
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 528
    (5/12/04 11:27 pm)
    OMFG!
    ________________________________________
    Wingsie, the thought is too insane to comprehend.

    Imagine the implications of someone who is colour blind wanting to purchase a “coloured sport horse”. Does that make one chromatically challenged under the ADA and does it grant you a bye for dual registration for your sabino TB’S?

    Add me to the list of those who want to read the dirt in full… creseida at yahoo dot com

    rocky72
    Member
    Posts: 52
    (5/13/04 12:50 am)
    Re: Loco…
    ________________________________________
    Clearly batshit crazy…

    By the way does anyone think I can get away with naming a new jumper “Batshit Crazy”?

    Maybe I’ll post on TOB and ask for opinions?

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 107
    (5/13/04 7:18 am)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    I may be wrong, but I thought she explained the bar situation. Or maybe I was the only one who dissected the messages so I could figure it out.

    I know that in some states, you have to pass the character/fitness part before you take the bar, or at submit your application for that part before you sit for the exam. In other states (i.e., NY), you don’t apply for that until after you’ve passed the exam.

    From what I gather, she fought for some time (months? years?) with the bar examiners for her accomodations for the test. In the meantime, she couldn’t pay her bills, maxed out her credit cards, perhaps even declared bankruptcy. Bottom line, she proved herself “financially irresponsible”. When she finally passed the bar exam, she couldn’t pass the C&F, or maybe the decision to accept her on C&F ground had been revoked, because of her financial problems. I think she is still litigating with the CA bar examiners, claiming 1) that it’s their fault she had money problemsn, and 2) that she deserves accomodations in the courtroom and for the practice of law. I think she claims that without these accomodations, she cannot earn a living as a lawyer.

    Anyway, from what she’s said, it’s a money thing. From applying for the bar in two different states, I know they ask a buttload of random questions, and it’s quite possible to have trouble getting things straightened out even if you’ve never done anything drastically wrong like commit a crime.

    She’s still crazy though. And bar examiners do ask you about your mental problems and your medications, etc.
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/13/04 7:20 am

    Barry
    Member
    Posts: 33
    (5/13/04 7:47 am)
    bar stool
    ________________________________________
    In my state you can be denied admission to the bar for something simple like hearing voices in your head.
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    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1050
    (5/13/04 8:31 am)
    Re: Me! Me!
    ________________________________________
    All right, kiddies, it’s on its way (or will be in a few).

    So far, the role call goes like this:

    AnnTM
    Count
    Spot (like the e-mail addy, btw!)
    Onesie
    Bells

    Did I miss anyone???”

    continued on next post

    MKDP (ab5405)

  199. continuing from above post:

    link for last posts from above:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=41&stop=60

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 50
    (5/13/04 9:11 am)
    Re: Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Oops, I forgot the part about “classic, vintage ADA!” How am I supposed to get any work done today!?
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1052
    (5/13/04 9:13 am)
    heehee
    ________________________________________
    It looks as though now she is crying sex discrimination, too (see the Chris v. Margie comment at the end ).

    Is it even POSSIBLE to read 5000 cases w/o making your eyes bleed? Do you legal eagles even think there *are* 500 ADA cases out there??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/13/04 9:23 am

    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 51
    (5/13/04 9:21 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    No, no. She said 5,000, not 500. There could be that many given the number of years the act has been around, I guess. Lord knows I wouldn’t want to have to read all of them. All she’s proving is that she’s completely insane and has far too much time on her hands. Get a job, freak! If she really had all those financial problems and you couple that with the fact that she is batshit crazy, she’ll never be admitted to the bar. Give it up nutbag!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
    * * *
    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 108
    (5/13/04 9:32 am)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    I have free Westlaw, so I will check…

    *running off to log on to Westlaw*

    OK, there are about 10,600 if you search in all federal databases. If you search in just federal appellate courts and above, there are about 3350. So yes, I suppose she could have read 5000 ADA cases. Sad, but true.

    So, the write-on competition for the law journals when I was a first year law student involved Title III of the ADA, the Casey Martin v. PGA case that has been referenced on TOB. We had to research and write our memos prior to the Supreme Court decision, and we had to predict how the case would come out. I did not agree with the majority of the Court. I thought Martin should walk the golf course, or not play in PGA tournaments. Guess that means me and CP don’t see eye to eye, huh?
    Edited by: AnnTM at: 5/13/04 9:34 am
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    Milk Warts
    Member
    Posts: 87
    (5/13/04 10:35 am)
    yeesh!
    ________________________________________
    she’s read 5000 cases on this subject alone? Please add to her list of disabilities “OCD.”

    Interestingly enough, there are many aspects of practicing law where one does not need to go to court regularly, if ever. Why she doesn’t pursue a career in those fields is quite beyond me.

    I’m starting to agree with the theory that the cervical injury also included a head injury.
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 432
    (5/13/04 10:38 am)
    RE: her
    ________________________________________
    Question: She always keeps sprouting about the California Bar, so why, in her COTH profile, does she have a Florida address? Why not sprout about Florida too?
    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1533
    (5/13/04 10:46 am)
    Re: RE: her
    ________________________________________
    She applied to the CA bar, but she lives in a leaky sailboat in FL.

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 111
    (5/13/04 10:49 am)
    Re: RE: her
    ________________________________________
    I think she bitches about the FL bar, too, but not quite as much. Maybe she’s holding off applying there until she gets the suit against the CA bar resolved.

    I wonder where she keeps her horse in FL, if she has to live on a leaky sailboat? Being from FL, I wonder if anyone I know down there knows her.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Milk Warts
    Member
    Posts: 88
    (5/13/04 10:49 am)
    CA v. FL
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    Limey, apparently she moved with her husband to FL, after making something like 9 attempts at passing the CA bar. They now live on a leaky sailboat in FL, where she assists her ADHD husband, who is also a lawyer, on ADA cases. Not sure if she has applied for admission to the FL bar.

    Edited to add for AnnTM that people in CA know her… she was training out here professionally at one point in the not too distant past (maybe 2 years ago). The folks I talked to avoided her like the plague.
    Edited by: Milk Warts at: 5/13/04 10:52 am

    Bells
    Member
    Posts: 146
    (5/13/04 11:00 am)
    Re: CA v. FL
    ________________________________________
    yep, she is batshit crazy. I strongly suspect she fell off her wonderful horse that no one else can ride and damaged her head

    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 530
    (5/13/04 11:46 am)
    Ok….
    ________________________________________
    Something seriously doesn’t add up here.

    She is broke. Her husband doesn’t make much money as a lawyer (for whatever reason). Therefore she lives on a leaky sailboat in Florida. I can only assume that since she lives on a boat, she is paying for wireless (satellite) internet so that she can make these posts. Not cheap.

    She also needs someone to type/scribe for her? She can ride a “too hot for mere mortals to handle” horse, but she can’t type? The few autisics I know can communicate BETTER by typing than by speaking. So she can talk her talk just fine, but she is incapable of typing or writing? How does she spout out these posts/emails if she can’t type?

    wridter
    Member
    Posts: 102
    (5/13/04 11:50 am)
    Re: Ok….
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    Se said something at one point about having a voice-translation do-dad that she speaks to and it types out the words as she speaks.
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    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2324
    (5/13/04 11:53 am)
    Re: Ok….
    ________________________________________
    Wouldn’t it be nice if ESG took her on?

    petitcheval
    Member
    Posts: 217
    (5/13/04 1:08 pm)
    Re: Re:
    ________________________________________
    I can’t get past QI”S “nonboobular disorder”. I have that too…as well as the inability to do math. Does that qualify me for ADA?

    I really must go to the HJ bb more often–I love it when Static lets me know that there is a crisis over there, so I go to witness the impending trainwreck.

    I don’t think I even want to read Tow’s email from her—too complicated and it will just piss me off.

    You know? I am 42, I’m stiff and sore from having fucked up my back twice. I was never very athletic in some ways…that’s life. Just because I don’t have the stamina to climb Mt Everest, should they make special escalators to get me to the top? What if I were just obese like the 545 lb behomoth that was on ET the other night? She couldn’t get out of her wheel chair she was so fat, but she is considered “disabled”…do we make special exceptions for HER to be able to walk to the base of El Capitan in a national park because she wants to see it?

    I am not knocking ADa rules, but where does one draw the line? CP seems to think everything comes down to ADA rules. I always wanted to event in the Olympics–I sucked, and didn’t have enough money. It wasnt’ rocket science that after about age 14 I realized that I peaked at Prelim, nothing higher was gonna happen for me, because I didn’t have the talent, whatever.

    MGE broke her leg—we are an equestrian sport, we have horses as teammates. So, at what point does the horse get dispensation for injuries? Gee , my horse can’t canter because of some hindend issue…can I get some special thing to let me show first level dressage and skip the part we can’t do because of my horse’s disability?

    Sorry to ramble–I jsut had all these random, bizarre thoughts running thru my head. You know? I smoked a lot of dope too, maybe the loss of braincells I have now (in addition to the nonboobular disorder) will help me qualify for something other than just being stupid now.
    Bush/Cheney 2004-”Less CIA….more CYA”
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    SwedishOxer
    Member
    Posts: 291
    (5/13/04 4:04 pm)
    Re: nonboobular
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    I must say, though, Flashy raised a good point….maybe I need to check into this ADA stuff…..maybe a good way to get that 6 figure amateur horse by the end of the year.
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    This Is MAD
    Member
    Posts: 160
    (5/13/04 5:43 pm)
    Re: re:
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    Quote:
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    Red rover, red rover, Let the ADA come over!
    ________________________________________

    NO! Because then she will have a legit claim for being mentally disabled after this BB is done with her!
    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1551
    (5/13/04 7:50 pm)
    Re: re:
    ________________________________________
    My boyfriend has an internship for the summer with the planning department in a neighboring city. When I got home today, he was working on a map that he’s making. He’s coding the sidewalks and intersections for ADA compliance. How timely!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=81&stop=100

    “Barry
    Member
    Posts: 34
    (5/13/04 8:12 pm)
    Abberational barriors and the socratic method
    ________________________________________
    This discust me. Ononeon I dont know what municipal jurstiction you live in but using internes rather then disabled sailors to ensure ADA compliance is actionable under section 3.4.IXVI.(a) of the ADA section 4. Thus the Socartiac method is in effect. Precendets have been set in California, Cleveland and Ohio.The supreme court of Minnesota ruled in Andy v Capp 3-1 in favor of interns but the ruling was overturned in appelate jury by a justice of the piece. Nenertheless, the hostility persists and the ADA allows me to post this here under the 5th ammendemnt. This is what we call an arbitrational barrier.

    squishy
    Member
    Posts: 1586
    (5/13/04 8:21 pm)
    Re: Abberational barriors and the socratic method
    ________________________________________
    Barry(or):

    The disabled reference to LH on TOB was about the picture LH posted with a neck brace on, I think. I thought it was meant as a joke?
    galloper
    Posts: 183
    (5/13/04 8:23 pm)
    Re: joke
    ________________________________________
    Could it be? Could CellosPride really have a sense of humor?
    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2334
    (5/13/04 9:45 pm)
    Question of the day
    ________________________________________
    Quote:
    ________________________________________
    Could CellosPride really have a sense of humor?
    ________________________________________

    I’d want to check Vegas for the odds on that.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=101&stop=104

    In sum, DRJ, “AnnTM” and her co-conspirators addressed merits issues of the case: nature of my disabilities, need for disability accommodations, my Calif. and FL bar admissions, etc. They even quoted from and discussed part of my complaint in the case in this context … and

    in the context of my previous complaint reviewed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal:

    conued on next post:

    MKDP (ab5405)

  200. wtf???

    assistant devil's advocate (b9a85d)

  201. Typical Mary Katherine Day-Petrano fare. Scroll through it and ignore. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  202. MKDP,

    Thanks. I don’t know if I agree but I understand your perspective now.

    DRJ (2ccf5c)

  203. continuing from above post:

    “Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
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    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.

    galloper

    Posts: 206
    (5/19/04 11:05 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
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    Quote:
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    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ——————————————————————————–

    Actually, the funny thing is, according to her suit in CA, she isn’t. She had to specifically state she wasn’t, because otherwise she wouldn’t be fit to practice law. She’d have shot herself in the foot.

    Gal has a lot of time on her hands…. I’d never heard of a 46 page hand-written fourth amended complaint before. That’s actually pretty impressive.
    * * *
    AnnTM

    Member
    Posts: 141
    (5/19/04 11:29 am)

    Re: Ugh
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    Galloper, I thought she couldn’t write? I thought that’s why she needed double-time for a scribe to write it for her, or fancy voice-activated dictation equipment?

    I particularly like how the court noted that her first complaint and fourth complaint were vastly different and unrelated. If she actually does have some sort of ADD, then that’s wickedly ironic.

    There are a lot of things about her story that seem to subtlely change the more you read.
    * * *
    miniwelsh

    Moderator
    Posts: 1815
    (5/19/04 4:49 pm)

    Re: voila
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    Quote:
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    FWIW, I totally disagree that she is lucid, intelligent and knows exactly what she is doing. ANyone who read her e-mail to me will most likely concur. She rambles incoherently with little grammatical or sentence structure
    ——————————————————————————–
    E-mails don’t always tell the entire story. I can think of two extremely intelligent, very powerful people that I personally know who send e-mails that have a) no punctuation; b) no sentence structure; and make NO SENSE.

    Not saying this woman is in any way normal or sane – just saying that not everyone can put together an e-mail.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/18/04 8:56 pm)

    Okay, Help Me…
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    I am disabled and under the ADA you HAVE to help me figure out HOW to send you a PM, galloper. Or of course under TitleIX, Section Humptysquat, RegB. I can SUE YOUR ASS for six bucks, some toilet paper, and used chewing gum. (heartburn relief is not available).

    BTW thanks chezjerome: now I have to wipe DietCoke off my monitor!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “This Is MAD

    Member
    Posts: 187
    (5/20/04 6:45 am)

    Interesting info about Broken legs and Disability
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    http://www.adata.org/whatsada-definition.html

    Substantially Limits-Additional Considerations
    (References: TAM II-2.400)

    Whether a person has a disability is assessed without regard to the availability of mitigating measures such as reasonable modifications, auxiliary aids and services, services and devices of a personal nature, or medication. (The June, 1999 Supreme Court Decisions have changed this part of the law. Further clarification will be forthcoming.)

    Example:
    A person who has epilepsy and uses medication to control seizures, or a person who walks with an artificial leg may be considered to have a disability, even if the medicine or prosthesis reduces the impact of that impairment.

    Temporary impairments may or may not be disabilities under the ADA. How long an impairment lasts is a factor to be considered, but does not by itself determine whether a person has a disability under the ADA. The basic question is whether an impairment “substantially limits” one or more major life activities. This question is answered by looking at the extent, duration, and impact of the impairment. Temporary, non-chronic impairments that do not last for a long time and that have little or no long term impact usually are not disabilities.

    Example:
    Broken limbs, sprains, concussions, appendicitis, common colds, or influenza generally would not be disabilities. A broken leg that heals normally within a few months would not be a disability under the ADA.

    However, if a broken leg took significantly longer than the normal healing period to heal, and during this period the individual could not walk, s/he would be considered to have a disability. Or, if the leg did not heal properly, and resulted in a permanent impairment that significantly restricted walking or other major life activities, s/he would be considered to have a disability.
    * * *
    devildog87

    Posts: 5
    (5/20/04 4:10 pm)

    Wow
    ——————————————————————————–
    I can’t believe all this is going on! If anyone ever has to question her mental capacity, they would only need to read things she has spouted over the internet! Wouldn’t the CA court system love to hear THAT while she is claiming she is mentally stable

    QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 116
    (5/20/04 4:21 pm)

    Re: Wow
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    I doubt the CA Board of Bar Examiners even needs the Internet spewage. They’ve got to be well aware that she’s, um, special.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    * * *
    cucumber

    Posts: 19
    (5/20/04 6:37 pm)

    hum…
    ——————————————————————————–
    So she has a lot of accounting experience, but is living in a raggy sailboat. I wonder if she could also not pass a CPA exam…??? All we need is her with an internet degree.

    PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 46
    (5/21/04 9:30 pm)

    I think I found CP’s cousin….
    ——————————————————————————–
    My father was telling me about a hotel he was asked to defend (he used to be VP legal counsel for a MAJOR hotel corporation) it seems the hotel got a call from a woman who wanted to attend a convention that was being held at the hotel. She called and told the hotel manager that she was covered under the ADA and that they needed to tell the staff, guests, convention attendees, and visitors that they could not wear, DEODORANT, lotion, perfume, cologne, bath spray or any other scented products for the duration of her stay. The manager called my father who called the people who actually run the ADA complaints office (don’t ask me the official name) to see if that was accurate. Their response when he told them why he was calling and about who? “What’s that fucking nut want now?” Needless to say they didn’t “accomodate” her.

    Makes me want to call them and see what they say if we mention CP’s name!
    * * *
    AnnTM

    Member
    Posts: 194
    (5/31/04 10:42 pm)

    Re: OK, I sent the following Email to Dateline….
    ——————————————————————————–
    Just in case anyone’s wondering, I deleted some of the references to where I work, etc., from this email. Mention of CP’s return has me paranoid, particularly since she noted the bashing on other BB’s.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=121&stop=137

    “AnnTM

    Member
    Posts: 134
    (5/18/04 3:13 pm)

    Re: No,
    ——————————————————————————–
    Just to clarify – everything I’ve looked at (and Galloper, too!)is all public record.

    And if anyone has Westlaw – 1996 WL 241840 is an order dismissing one of her suits in California. This is TOTALLY public record and could be found by anyone searching for her name on Westlaw.
    * * *
    galloper

    Posts: 204
    (5/18/04 6:24 pm)

    Westlaw
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    Tee hee..

    Ann, I couldn’t help myself and looked up that cite in Westlaw. The six citations, particularly #4, are pretty funny.

    Anyway, here’s a tidbit from the Jefferson Law Review:
    Quote:
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    Courts have not specifically ruled on whether the ‘enjoyment’ of life is a major life activity. However, a federal court sitting in California found that a woman who suffered from chronic pain and headaches that caused fatigue, and who also suffered a chronic sprain of her right ankle, was substantially limited in major life activities. [FN14] Unfortunately, the court did not specify which major life activities were substantially limited.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Would think it would be difficult to ride with a chronic sprain of the right ankle.”

    continued on next post:

    MKDP (ab5405)

  204. Are you related to Cyrus Sanai?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  205. continuing from above post:

    Link for last posts:
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=81&stop=100

    DRJ WROTE:
    “MKDP,

    Thanks. I don’t know if I agree but I understand your perspective now.”

    DRJ, HERE is the REAL ON-TOPIC PART:

    As the following post in the “AnnTM” and co-conspirator matters indicate, none of this would have happened if Judge Kosinski had not dropped the Federal Courts Computer Security WebSENSE firewall to allow any hacker to fix the outcome of a disabled American’s civil rights case:

    “Barry

    Member
    Posts: 37
    (5/19/04 10:40 pm)

    Re: No, Mini
    ——————————————————————————–
    + FUCKING TOOLS
    + THERE US A WAY WE CAN MAKE YOU THINK YES
    + IN THE MIDDLE THERE ARE NO POTHOLES
    = WAY DOWN THERE I AM IN THE SOUR”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=121&stop=137

    There’s an IDEA … one real good way to guarantee the fixed outcome of an unpopular civil rights case is to exploit judge Kozinski’s WebSENSE firewall hole so “THERE ARE NO POTHOLES” “IN THE MIDDLE” and “THERE US A WAY TO MAKE YOU THINK YES.”

    Disagree all you want, and maybe Judge Kosinkis thinks this is funny and something to laugh at … undermining the integrity, fairness, and impartiality of an entire Nation’s Federal Courts.

    However, you have not provided any support whatsoever for your take on it, while How Appealing had THIS to say more in line with an explaination for how what happened did happen in MY cases:

    “In connection with that lengthy article, the ABA Journal has posted online a remarkable letter (back-up copy posted here) dated October 12, 2007 from L. Ralph Mecham, former director of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, which accuses Ninth Circuit Judge Alex Kozinski of having committed a criminal offense in 2001 against the federal judiciary’s computer system that constituted a felony under federal law.”
    http://howappealing.law.com/2008/06/index.html

    And Mr. Mecham likewise had THIS to say:
    http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf

    MKDP (ab5405)

  206. nk, thanks for being the Elle Woods to my nerd. =)

    Comment by TLove — 6/30/2008 @ 9:34 pm

    More like “Cyrano” to Scott’s “Christian”, I’m afraid. Big nose and all. I even fenced for a while.

    nk (11c9c1)

  207. tlove and bridget are pretty cool.

    Senor Petrano and MKD-P, not so much. Good Allah, make them stop!

    JD (5f0e11)

  208. Oh, lordy. These Petranos are quite the pair.

    And how do we know you passed the Bar under an anonymous blog ID? How do we know you’re not drivel living in a leaky basement under a bridge. Spare me.

    I have never called myself a lawyer on a public blog. If you are making that statement, please retract your defamation. I do have a J.D./M.B.A. degree, however, and I passed the California Bar Exam. I have never held myself out as a lawyer.

    By the way, you also disparaged me by your own name-calling me “psycho” to harass me due to my autism in violation of 47 U.S.C. Sec. 223.

    Please be so kind to immediately retract your two above defamatory statements or, in the alternative, provide me your real true name and identity as required by 47 U.S.C. Sec. 223 so I can report you to The Florida Bar for violating Rules Regulating The Florida Bar 4-8.4(d).

    Pablo (99243e)

  209. Hey MKDP…

    I’m sorry…

    Hey psycho!

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  210. Are you related to Cyrus Sanai?

    While a low blow, it is richly deserved…

    Bridget, if these whack-jobs, these ambulance chasers, these utter bafoons, can pass the bar, I suspect that you will set a record for the high score…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  211. Scott Jacobs said:
    psycho

    Yes, the posts made by “AnnTm” who claimed to work for the 11th Cir. demonstrate something beyond psycho.

    If the WebSence firewall had not been eliminated by Judge Kozinski in 2001, our US Court of Appeals law clerks would not be so free to communicate extra-judicial garbage among themselves.

    In the above posts, AnnTM’s references to “Cello’s Pride” or CP was meant for Mary Katherine Day Petrano, who had cases pending before the 11th Cir. during the relative time frame.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (71870c)

  212. Well, at least you managed to figure out who the hell is posting what…

    Congradulations! You have demonstrated the an ability to learn and problem solve on par with small primates.

    Your mother must be so proud…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  213. Yes, the posts made by “AnnTm” who claimed to work for the 11th Cir. demonstrate something beyond psycho.

    Hey, Davey…

    Wait.

    Hey, moron…

    (Are you being deliberately and maliciously clueless, or is it a case of sniffing too much witch hazel over the years?)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  214. I don’t think he QUITE made the connection to my calling to his wife, and then me using the word “psycho”…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  215. TLove – they might not be related, but they’ve probably been drinking the same water. When I head out to California, I’m importing mine from somewhere – anywhere! – else. :)

    Scott Jacobs,

    Why insult small primates? They have the ability to make tools, improvise, and communicate via sign language.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  216. Bridget, the A/B/C/D test you are preparing for can be easily passed.

    The National Conference of Bar Examiners tailored the exam to be taken by people with memory recall problems; thus, the A/B/C/D part. Given that you were already tested in law school for the respective subjects you attended, I think the “bar exam” should be a neuropsychological one to ensure you do not repeat AnnTM’s method of clerking.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (71870c)

  217. Or your method of general behavior?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  218. Mr. Jacobs, have you ever attended a law school course in professional responsibility?

    David F. Petrano Esq. (71870c)

  219. If the WebSence firewall had not been eliminated by Judge Kozinski in 2001, our US Court of Appeals law clerks would not be so free to communicate extra-judicial garbage among themselves.

    This is a brain-poundingly stoooooooooopid assertion.

    Where did these whack-jobs come from ?

    JD (75f5c3)

  220. JD – no matter where they come from, they always manage to find the internet. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  221. They have to be from California. No offense intended to my friends on here from Cali, but this kind of organic krazy always seems to germinate in Cali.

    If the judge hadn’t stripped the Courts of WebSence, nobody would have ever communicated, EVAH! I swear.

    JD (75f5c3)

  222. This post was like honey for teh krazy.

    JD (75f5c3)

  223. J.D., do you know what the term “extra judicial” means? If so, do you think it’s O.K. for law clerks or appellate judges to be openly mocking parties in a case before them or otherwise discussing facts outside the material proffered w/i the briefs on internet blogs?

    Judge Kozinski made the above possible by eliminating the WebSENSE firewall. In sum, Judge Kozinski’s actions are NOT limited to porn-in-chambers or his freeloading pirated material protected by copyright.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (71870c)

  224. Mr. Jacobs, have you ever attended a law school course in professional responsibility?

    No I have not, and I have to wonder if either you or your wife did yourselves…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  225. Double-down on teh krazy, David. That is always a good idea.

    JD (75f5c3)

  226. Let’s see bridget, this thread is about a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge facing discipline for downloading porn in chambers following his deliberate evisceration of a firewall intended to prohibit such actions.

    You come on talking about lentil soup when MKDP provides material sent over the internet by a 11th Circuit clerk as a result of Judge Kozinski having eliminated the porn firewall.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (71870c)

  227. ROFL.

    Something tells me that it’s a better idea to double down on 10 or 11 when the dealer is showing a 6, but to each his own….

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  228. “Judge Kozinski made the above possible by eliminating the WebSENSE firewall.”

    David – You are certain these alleged clerks could not have communicated in any other manner or medium without the elimination of the firewall through exactly what reasoning or experise? Are you claiming to be a telecommunications and computer expert as well as a lawyer?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  229. No offense intended to my friends on here from Cali, but this kind of organic krazy always seems to germinate in Cali.

    California is like a granola sandwich. Get rid of the bread, and all you have left are fruits, nuts and flakes. — Anon., Ibid. and Opcit., Esq.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  230. daleyrocks,

    He is also claiming to be an expert in the clerks’ personal lives; for his logic to hold water, he would have to know that the clerks do not own Blackberries, iPhones, or internet connections at home, nor have access to internet cafes or any other means of accessing the world-wide web save from chambers.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  231. So he libels the clerks?

    They should file complaints… I bet they would, were David not such a coward as to hide his Bar #…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  232. “Let’s see bridget, this thread is about a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge facing discipline for downloading porn in chambers following his deliberate evisceration of a firewall intended to prohibit such actions.”

    David – The post is about the publicity caused by a vexatious litigant who vacuumed the contents of a folder from Judge Kozinski’s home computer and persuaded a newspaper to make them public at the beginning of an obscenity trial over which he was presiding. You and your wife have derailed the thread into your personal pet cause about the firewall issue as a distraction.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  233. Let’s see bridget, this thread is about a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge facing discipline for downloading porn in chambers following his deliberate evisceration of a firewall intended to prohibit such actions.

    What? Where on Earth did you get that idea? And where does WebSense have anything to do with this thread/post, aside from the fact that it’s your personal (marital?) hobby horse?

    Pablo (99243e)

  234. discipline for downloading porn in chambers

    I wasn’t aware there was evidence of this.

    You do have proof, don’t you David? I would hate to think you would libel the Judge…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  235. ROFL. But Scott, no one is allowed to play by the rules that DP and MKDP play by!

    Mr. Petrano,

    If Patterico has a problem with the comments I make on his threads (or on his blog in general), I expect (and very much hope) that he would tell me. There is no reason for you to play substitute teacher, however. It only has the effect of making the atmosphere more unpleasant for everyone. My comment about dinner was not directed at you; you are free to ignore it if it bothers you so much to bring it up 18 hours and 150 posts later.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  236. P.S. Thanks, guys – I wasn’t sure where to start with the actual substance of his complaint.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  237. The good counselor seems…

    Tetched in the head…

    And I think both he and his wife are quite psycho…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  238. “MKDP provides material sent over the internet by a 11th Circuit clerk as a result of Judge Kozinski having eliminated the porn firewall.”

    How was this conclusion reached David? Are you an expert?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  239. David – Did Judge K’s alleged actions with the firewall affect the entire country or just western circuits? How did they breach the 11th circuit firewall?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  240. You do have proof, don’t you David? I would hate to think you would libel the Judge…

    So much for those vaunted “professional ethics”. (Maybe he’s still using the ones he learned while cutting hair for all those years – gossip is the lifeblood of beauty parlors.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  241. By the way, I called this one in post 21. These people will hijack any thread and turn it into a forum for their complaints against judges, discrimination against autistics, or the harm to their horses.

    They are using AK’s actions in disabling the filter as their hook to start complaining about judges, and one 11th Cir. judge in particular; there is no substance they can add to these conversations.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  242. By the way, I called this one in post 21.

    And so what are tomorrow’s lottery numbers? *quickly scrabbles for pen and paper*

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  243. david f. petrano, esq., are you pimping your wife’s “disability” in court because you’re too crazy-scary to attract any other clients?

    assistant devil's advocate (fef4a1)

  244. bridget – It seems that when you call out teh krazy, they have a couple choices. A sentient person steps back and evaluates the situation. and adjusts accordingly. People like David Petrano Esq. do the opposite, they ratchet up teh krazy, double down while holding a 2 and a 3. It is sad, and predictable.

    I know I should not be poking this beehive … ;-)

    JD (5f0e11)

  245. Heyyyyy….I’m gone for a bit and I come back to some California bashing! What’s the deal? Petrano is in FL.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  246. Sorry, Tlove ;-) Petrano probably could not figure out the bewildering Butterfly Ballot either.

    JD (5f0e11)

  247. Now, back to Tlove’s comments on role playing … ;-)

    JD (75f5c3)

  248. Hehehehe….

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  249. Don’t think for a moment that one slipped by unnoticed.

    Better Half and I have a place down in FL. Great place to visit. Taking the girls next month.

    JD (75f5c3)

  250. Might wanna reconsider that, JD… teh krazee appears to exist in FL in great amounts…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  251. Me likey teh krazee, Scott.

    And, just so I am clear, David Petrano Esq. and Senorita MKDP, I am referring to you.

    JD (75f5c3)

  252. “…material sent over the internet by a 11th Circuit clerk as a result of Judge Kozinski having eliminated the porn firewall…

    This alone shows that Petrano is making up stuff entirely. It is patently ridiculous from a IT technical, and administrative POV.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  253. SPQR – One need not get so technical to observe that teh krazy is just oooooozing from his pores.

    JD (75f5c3)

  254. JD, there is that too.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  255. But damn, can they copy and paste. And act like a-holes. And be arrogant. And condescending. And batshit krazy. And, Kyoto. But not Halliburton.

    JD (75f5c3)

  256. Racist sexist jingoistic xenophobic homophobes

    JD (75f5c3)

  257. By the way, TLove, I’ve seen Legally Blonde too many times to count. Classic cinema. :) (In fact, I blame my decision to go to law school on that movie. :) )

    I’ve also done the Elle Woods thing… got called on first day, first class (was prepared, though)… moved to California… have had a zillion and a half people tell me that I don’t belong in law school….

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  258. I grew up in LA, went to UCLA…I was totally Elle Woods the first day of law school – showed up with an iBook in a cute outfit…That movie came out the summer before my first year. Love that movie.

    I thought the comment did go by unnoticed by all but Scott…

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  259. I hate to tell you, but if you read the book, she went to USC for undergrad (then Stanford for law school). The movie changed it to CULA (obviously UCLA) and then Harvard.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  260. Hehehe. it’s all about the LA connection.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  261. Because I loath the movie Legally Blonde (both of them).

    Sadly, I find I can’t stand most comedies these days… Haven’t for probably a decade. Last one I liked was Team America (laughed so hard at a couple of scenes I litterally could not breath)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  262. and here I thought we were soul mates.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  263. I generally don’t use movie tastes as a guide, just like you shouldn’t use pizza toppings to judge friendships…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  264. i find peanut butter to be a great judge of compatability – crunchy or smooth?

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  265. compatibility

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  266. Okay, I’m obviously the third wheel here… [slips out door and leaves TLove and Scott to their canoodling]

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  267. And I was looking for a pinochle partner…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  268. I actually have no prefference. I usually use smooth, but that’s just because that’s what is usually in the house.

    I buy whatever’s on sale. :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  269. boooooooooooooo.

    I’m a smooth all the way!

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  270. I’ll just not comment on that… :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  271. Oh, what the hell…

    “We can use which ever you prefer…”

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  272. TO ALL WHO ASSERT THERE IS NO PROOF KOZINSKI’S DISABLING THE WEBSENSE FIREWALL COULD HAVE AFFECTED THE EASTERN U.S., HERE’S YOU ANSWER — AGAIN:

    “In connection with that lengthy article, the ABA Journal has posted online a remarkable letter (back-up copy posted here) dated October 12, 2007 from L. Ralph Mecham, former director of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, which accuses Ninth Circuit Judge Alex Kozinski of having committed a criminal offense in 2001 against the federal judiciary’s computer system that constituted a felony under federal law.”
    http://howappealing.law.com/2008/06/index.html

    And Mr. Mecham likewise had THIS to say:
    http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf

    Where’s YOUR proof it did not?

    “You do have proof, don’t you David? I would hate to think you would libel the Judge”

    Has Kozinski sued Mecham for defamation? I am sure even Eugene would have volunteered to represent him pro bono in such an exploit. If it were libel, I am sure we would have seen/heard of Kozinski, Circuit Judge v. Mecham, US AOC Director. When some judges sue drycleaners these days for $54 million when their pants don’t come clean, I’m sure if Kozinskis believed Mecham defamed him, he would have brought suit. Since he apparently did not, there goes all your noble allegations down in the Ostrich hole.

    “He is also claiming to be an expert in the clerks’ personal lives; for his logic to hold water, he would have to know that the clerks do not own Blackberries, iPhones, or internet connections at home, nor have access to internet cafes or any other means of accessing the world-wide web save from chambers”

    Well, now that you are admitting the clerk-hires need to land those Federal Court law clerk jobs so they can get some access to the Internet to play ont heir favorite blogs all day, maybe we should …

    ASK CONGRESS TO LEGISLATE A CHANGE IN THE LAW CLERK HIRING CRITERIA.

    MKDP (2907ba)

  273. Where’s YOUR proof it did not?

    And you claim to have been to law school?

    You are the one asserting a criminal action has occurred (and slandering a Federal judge in doing so, I might add).

    Where does that put the burden of proof?

    (By your arguments, I could assert you had committed a murder, then defy you to prove you hadn’t. Moron.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  274. ASK CONGRESS TO LEGISLATE A CHANGE IN THE LAW CLERK HIRING CRITERIA.

    Just make sure they leave brain dead asshats like you and your co-scumbag off the hiring list. The courts are fucked up enough, as it is.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  275. and here I thought we were soul mates.

    Oh, we are ;-)

    Scott – If Old School did not make you piss your pants laughing, something is wrong with you.

    I’m a smooth all the way!

    I am guessing … Brazilian ? ;-)

    MKDP – Bringin’ teh krazy, one post at a time!

    JD (75f5c3)

  276. THIS one, I am forwarding to the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California for a negative moral character report concerning your Bar admission, along with my hearing doctors reports and audiograms, to show you lack the requisite good moral character due to visciously attacking and mocking a disabled American:

    “Why insult small primates? They have the ability to make tools, improvise, and communicate via sign language.

    Comment by bridget”

    Calling a disabled American a monkey because the person has a hearing impairment and is autistic.

    MKDP (2907ba)

  277. JD,

    Sometimes I think my husband’s and sons’ strongest bonds were developed watching movies like Old School.

    DRJ (2ccf5c)

  278. “You are the one asserting a criminal action has occurred (and slandering a Federal judge in doing so, I might add).”

    No. I did not assert that. Howard Bashman on How Appealing and L. Ralph Mecham asserted that. I only provided a link in support of how it came to be that “AnnTM,” the Harvard Law Review Editor ran amuck misusing her Federal Court computers.

    Oh, and what law school do you attend? I guess one that does not teach Torts. Or you would know the difference between libel and slander.

    MKDP (2907ba)

  279. Or you would know the difference between libel and slander.

    So you stipulate for the record that you are deliberately defaming the Justice?

    Calling a disabled American a monkey

    He wasn’t calling you a monkey. He was comparing you to a monkey, and bridget pointed out that it would be insulting to the monkey to be compared to you.

    because the person has a hearing impairment and is autistic.

    He’p, he’p! I’ve got a broken wing! Pity me. Give me things. Let me slide on being an embarrassment to my profession and my species, because I have something wrong with me…”

    (I’ve also got a hearing impairment, you stupid bint, and if it weren’t for the fact that it might offend my host, I would give you the thrashing you so richly deserve for trying such a pathetic ploy. You should be ashamed of yourself, and would be, if it weren’t for the fact that you are an “Esquire”. I’ve seen toddlers with more intellectual honesty.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  280. THIS one, I am forwarding to the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California for a negative moral character report concerning your Bar admission, along with my hearing doctors reports and audiograms, to show you lack the requisite good moral character due to visciously attacking and mocking a disabled American:

    She is going to tell on you. Ouch.

    JD (75f5c3)

  281. Get over yourself, Mary Katherine.

    While you’re at it, get a clue.

    I’m sure if Kozinskis believed Mecham defamed him, he would have brought suit.

    Why would he have? Because you project your super-litigious attitude upon everyone else? Judge Kozinski has spent his career defending First Amendment rights. One can more easily infer that he could have been slandered or libeled, but would choose to not sue.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  282. Calling a disabled American a monkey because the person has a hearing impairment and is autistic.

    1. I never called you a monkey.
    2. You were compared to a monkey, but it’s not because of your disabilities, but because you are wholly miserable person. There is no requirement – legal or moral – that every person who claims to have a disability be treated with kid gloves, no matter how atrocious her conduct.
    3. At this point, you’ve threatened my career. Your whole shtick is premised on the notion that no one is litigious as you are. There will come a day when you will meet a person with the time and resources to fight you by your own rules, and it will not be pretty.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  283. DRJ – Old School, Animal House, Caddy Shack, Billy Madison, Talladega Nights, Team America, et al are such wonderful bonding movies.

    JD (75f5c3)

  284. bridget – FWIW, I suspect that you have already forgotten more law than MKDP and Senor Esq. ever knew.

    JD (75f5c3)

  285. “Or you would know the difference between libel and slander.

    So you stipulate for the record that you are deliberately defaming the Justice?”

    Your allegations are rejected and that request is denied. No stipulation to anything; your request lacks ripeness. The burden of proof of your “truth is a defense” is on you Kozinski supporters (if you even have standing)/Kozinski.

    Go ahead and prove it:
    1.) Judge Kozinski did not disabled the Federal Courts Computers Security WebSENSE firewall;
    2.) Hackers did not exploit the security breach to hack from the Western US Gateway into the Eastern US Gateway (located at the Fifth Circuit, I believe), and on into the Eleventh Circuit and the Middle District of Florida;
    3.) “AnnTM” did not exploit the Kozinski security breach by playing on blogs to funnel ex parte extrinsic evidence, and of an irrational discrimination type, into a Federal civil rights case to which her Circuit Judge was assigned, thereby rigging the outcome like a fixed horserace.

    I’m standing by to hear your proof, if any.

    “Calling a disabled American a monkey

    He wasn’t calling you a monkey. He was comparing you to a monkey, and bridget pointed out that it would be insulting to the monkey to be compared to you.

    because the person has a hearing impairment and is autistic.”

    O-Kay, I will forward this to the Committee of Bar Examiners as well, for a moral character eval whether someone is qualified for licensure who believes some people have second-class citizenship because they are subhuman, namely disabled Americans. And, this calls into question whether the applicant will uphold the Oath of attorney to obey the federal laws and Constitution of this Nation, in this instance, an obvious disregard and hostility toward the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    MKDP (2907ba)

  286. There will come a day when you will meet a person with the time and resources to fight you by your own rules, and it will not be pretty.

    Oh, yes, it will! Just not for her… (I’ve got a few bucks I could chip in, just for the “We Bitch-slapped the Crazy Woman” coffee mug.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  287. “1. I never called you a monkey.”

    Maybe you need to review the definition of a “primate.” I reject your above-volunteered flip-flopped new assertion.

    MKDP (2907ba)

  288. O-Kay, I will forward this to the Committee of Bar Examiners as well, for a moral character eval whether someone is qualified for licensure who believes some people have second-class citizenship because they are subhuman, namely disabled Americans. And, this calls into question whether the applicant will uphold the Oath of attorney to obey the federal laws and Constitution of this Nation, in this instance, an obvious disregard and hostility toward the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Teh krazy is tattling again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    JD (75f5c3)

  289. Maybe you need to review this thread. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  290. I reject your above-volunteered flip-flopped new assertion.

    I REJECT TEH KRAZY !!!!!!!!!1eleventy!!!!!1!!1

    JD (75f5c3)

  291. Calling a disabled American a monkey because the person has a hearing impairment and is autistic.

    That was me actually, dope…

    And it wasn’t because of your disabilities (you got a JD, how autistic are you, really), but because you act like a massive, epic moron.

    Bridget’s comment about the primate knowing sign language wasn’t a dig at your hearing imparement, but suggesting that the monkey is smart enough to master basic communication skills (sign language being the only means, since they can’t articulate words), where as you are too stupid to master even that much. We insulted your intelligence.

    And to put ALL the cards on the table, I compared you to a lobotomized monkey that was three weeks dead. I think you’re dumber than a corpes.

    But thanks for playing, sweety…

    Scott – If Old School did not make you piss your pants laughing, something is wrong with you.

    Wil Ferrel makes me want to stab things. Repeatedly. I’ve often called for jyhad against both him and Ben Stiller, because apparently their deaths is the only thing that will stop the movies…

    bridget – FWIW, I suspect that you have already forgotten more law than MKDP and Senor Esq. ever knew.

    I’m starting to think *I* have forgotten more than they ever knew, and I’m not a lawyer.

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  292. Your allegations are rejected and that request is denied.

    You’re not the judge – you are the defendant. Sit down, or I’ll hold you in contempt.

    Oh, wait…

    I’m standing by to hear your proof, if any.

    Just as I’m waiting to hear your proof that you didn’t murder that hobo they found in the river. I say you did it, and you have yet to prove you didn’t.

    (This is fun!)

    the Americans With Disabilities Act

    So which is it? Did she deny you housing? Refuse you a loan? Hire someone else for a job?

    “Congress shall make no laws … abridging the freedom of speech….”

    You moron.

    And, this calls into question whether the applicant will uphold the Oath of attorney

    Neither Scott nor I are attorneys, nor do we fall under their authority, so tell them I said they can pack sand.

    If you are trying to get bridget in trouble for things that we said, I’d love to hear the wording on that. (“She happened to be commenting in the same thread as the two who were actually insulting me!”)

    The laughter at your expense will be rich and hearty, I’m sure.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  293. Maybe you need to review the definition of a “primate.” I reject your above-volunteered flip-flopped new assertion.

    Didn’t I just last night point out your inability to perform basic pattern recognition?

    Seriously, how stupid ARE you that you forget your schooling on this topic in less than 18 hours?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  294. Oath of attorney to obey the federal laws and Constitution of this Nation, in this instance, an obvious disregard and hostility toward the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Mary Katherine,

    The ADA only applies to certain entities; I’m not one of them. It is not a general “play nice” provision. The act in question is here. Given how frequently you cite its protections, perhaps you ought to read it.

    I will also direct your attention to the Constitution of the United States, specifically, Art. VI and the First Amendment.

    If you are attempting to restrict my free speech rights by citing a statute which does not apply to me, and, even if it did, would be trumped by the First Amendment, it is you, not me, who is in violation of the conduct required by attorneys. As I said, someday, someone will give it all back to you, and your days of browbeating people into submission will come to a grinding halt.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  295. ROFL to 293-296.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  296. Scott – You have to give me warning before you declare jihad on Ferell and Stiller. I almost had a wreck.

    JD (5f0e11)

  297. #299

    Laughing too hard?

    And I’ll grant that stuff like Big Daddy, Animal House, Caddy Shack, and others are funny… But the latter two are older, and I said the newer stuff was horrid…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  298. Oh, and MKDP…

    O-Kay, I will forward this to the Committee of Bar Examiners as well, for a moral character eval whether someone is qualified for licensure who believes some people have second-class citizenship because they are subhuman, namely disabled Americans. And, this calls into question whether the applicant will uphold the Oath of attorney to obey the federal laws and Constitution of this Nation, in this instance, an obvious disregard and hostility toward the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Fine by me… My Bar # is “Screw off you whack-job”

    It’s good in all 50 states.

    Cause I am not a lawyer, I am not in law school, and I think you’re a complete nutter…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  299. Hahaha. Grandma’s Boy is the funniest movie EVER.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  300. Are these people for real? I literally pity them, because teh krazy that profound must be painful.

    JD (5f0e11)

  301. I am an attorney and what I’m really curious about is how MKDP is serviced by her horse. Does it involve some kind of rack as was used to beget the Minotaur?

    nk (11c9c1)

  302. Ok, grandma’s Boy and Superbad were good too.

    And I can only stand Will Ferrel in regard to his voice-acting on the cartoon The Oblongs.

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  303. I am an attorney and what I’m really curious about is how MKDP is serviced by her horse. Does it involve some kind of rack as was used to beget the Minotaur?

    Perhaps we should start calling her Cathrine?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  304. Gentlemen! If Scott Glover sees this thread, any career y’all might have had in the public arena is gone.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  305. yikes.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  306. P.S. Scott – her middle name is Katherine. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  307. Scott – If I wasn’t driving I would be ROTFLMAO.

    tlove – My 6 yr. old angel adores Legally Blonde. Why? I have no clue.

    JD (5f0e11)

  308. I’ll try and contain my disappointment, Bridget…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  309. P.S. Scott – her middle name is Katherine.

    Well, that explains everything then…

    Folks, we best stop mocking her. We’re taking from the time she could be spending “down on the farm”, if you get my meaning…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  310. How did I disappoint you now?

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  311. If she’s turning to her horse for solace, I can only imagine what her husband is like….

    O:~)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  312. JD: it’s all the PINK!

    Bridget: I was well beyond any hope in the public sector years ago. This thread is probably the most innocuous of all things I have done.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  313. #313

    By telling me that lover will ruin my future plans for public office…

    I’m quite heart-broken that a complete hack will dash my dreams of… Oh, wait, I don’t want elected office…

    Not like I’d get elected anyways. :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  314. “Glover”, not “lover”

    Seriously, I need to talk to IT about a new keyboard…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  315. TLove, I was more referring to Scott Glover’s behaviour with the Kozinski/Sanai mess.

    My shenanigans are sufficiently off-the-wall so that people spend more time laughing about them than at me, which gives them even less time to criticise me. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  316. Hung like a horse. There. I said what y’all were thinking ;-)

    JD (5f0e11)

  317. By telling me that lover will ruin my future plans for public office…

    Directly below TLove’s comment… Freudian slip or Jungian negligee: you decide.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  318. I did notice that…

    TLove (4a03a6)

  319. tlove – I took her to see that damn movie at The Grove. She saw a sign with that puppy, and just had to see it.

    You are just being a tease with the rest of that coment. DETAILS!

    JD (5f0e11)

  320. Hehehehe. In due time JD, in due time…

    TLove (4a03a6)

  321. Jungian negligee? I feel safe in speaking for everyone in that we will require a link to make that determination.

    JD (5f0e11)

  322. Patience is not one of my virtues. Not that I can think of any virtues that I do possess, but if I did, patience would not be one.

    JD (5f0e11)

  323. Ok, here’s one example…

    This one time, in law school, my friends and I went to SD when the Super Bowl was there. We ended up playing Follow the Bitch in an RV with some NFL stars.

    =)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  324. nk (#304), as i understand the story, the minotaur was begotten when queen pasiphae hid herself inside a hollow cow constructed at her request by daedalus, the master craftsman (also, father of icarus). she aligned her orifice just so with that of the hollow cow, and the bull mounted her.

    backing up a little (heh), the bull was the finest of its kind on the island of crete. king minos had seen it while out on a walk, and he promised poseidon that if he could but capture it, he would sacrifice it to the god. when he reneged on this promise and kept it for his herd instead, the god instilled in his wife an abnormal sexual lust for the bull.

    on several afterglow occasions, my partner has informed me that her experience (just now) was akin to that of queen pasiphae.

    assistant devil's advocate (727679)

  325. We ended up playing Follow the Bitch

    LMFAO

    Priceless…

    We should talk. :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  326. Glad you can appreciate the story.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  327. Follow the Bitch ? Do explain ….

    JD (5f0e11)

  328. Hehehe. It’s way more innocent than it sounds. It’s a poker game where queens and whatever card follows the queen are wild. =)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  329. Nuttier than a fruitcake and with a completely fanciful understanding of both law and ethical rules.

    How entertaining.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  330. I am afraid to click on that link ;-)

    SPQR – I think the proper phrase is nuttier than a squirrel’s cornhole.

    JD (5f0e11)

  331. Card game. Sweet. That speaks well of you, tlove.

    JD (5f0e11)

  332. Shoot, I know better than to tell any of my crazy stories on here. =)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  333. poker games with lots of wild cards are dumb. as a poker purist, i have the most fun with all-natural cards.

    assistant devil's advocate (727679)

  334. I meant to say…I’m an angel! All my stories involve innocent behavior like playing card games.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  335. I think I just heard the sound of grown men swooning.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  336. bridget, I’m too old and cynical to swoon.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  337. 0 for 1

    TLove (4a03a6)

  338. “Nuttier than a fruitcake and with a completely fanciful understanding of both law and ethical rules.”

    Please lay your predicate foundation for the above statement, SPQR. Otherwise, your statement will be considered defamatory.

    I assume before posting it, you undertook your duyty of reasonably diligent investigation to review the more than 700 medical documents involving my disabilities to arrive at your Internet diagnosis? Does your diagnosis satisfy Daubert/Kumho?

    Please be so kind to provide your state of medical licensure and license # in that you have made a medical diagnosis of me without my informed consent that will likely be used as a basis of decision in an outcome determinative manner by anonymous law clerks assigned to my pending litigation who play on blogs all day from their Federal Court Computers while at work.

    MKDP (d0c28c)

  339. corr:
    “duyty” = duty

    MKDP (d0c28c)

  340. Otherwise, your statement will be considered defamatory.

    NOW she catches on! Took ya long enough, ya stupid bint…

    Please be so kind to provide your state of medical licensure and license # in that you have made a medical diagnosis of me without my informed consent that will likely be used as a basis of decision in an outcome determinative manner by anonymous law clerks assigned to my pending litigation who play on blogs all day from their Federal Court Computers while at work.

    Nuttier than squirrel shit, she is…

    Better turn in your law degree, Cath, since I’m sure the school would revoke it after reading that paragraph.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  341. MKDP, standing alone, your posting #340 is more than adequate evidence in support of my conclusion. Certainly it shows your ignorance of defamation law.

    And this: “…likely be used as a basis of decision in an outcome determinative manner by anonymous law clerks assigned to my pending litigation who play on blogs all day from their Federal Court Computers while at work.” was the icing on the cake to mix in a little dessert metaphor.

    Law clerks do not determine the outcome of any litigation.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  342. Count me in the subset of American men that think : 1) tlove makes me swoon, and 2) Petrano Esq and MKDP are batshit krazy.

    JD (5f0e11)

  343. Can I only select option two? (I’m happily married, y’see…)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  344. 1 for 3

    TLove (4a03a6)

  345. MKDP – I’m thinking Judge K is probably lurking on this thread and laughing his ass off at you, but of course I have no proof of that.

    Would you like the prize number off my Super Size Extra Value Meal today from McDonalds for one of your numerous complaints about something?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  346. Careful or she’s going to demand to see your receipt to prove that unidentified law clerks are going to keep her from getting a unicorn under the provisions of the Americans Who Are Monstrously Stupid Act.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  347. daleyrocks and drum – Your malicious and defamtory statements about these fine upstanding Americans have been noted for the record, and will be used as primo facial evidence in some imaginary trial that the loonwaffles will conduct.

    JD (5f0e11)

  348. Molon Labe Moonbattus! *starts building cardboard fort*

    primo facial

    Heh.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  349. As to the responses, they are rejected for lack of originality. Karl Rove already used the K-razy card them against Scott McClellon two weeks ago. It is clear you have earned your respective credentials by passing an A/B/C/D test, are mere copy-artists, and are absolutely unqualified, unable, unwilling, and unfit to apply critical thinking to a view opposing mine.

    MKDP (23b98e)

  350. MKDP, borrowing your insults from Petrano and you are claiming we have no originality?

    That’s pretty entertaining.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  351. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

    Whatever keeps the monsters in the Anxiety Closet, lady. (Try the green M&Ms next.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  352. Is this website going to attract all the loons that lost in Federal Court and just can’t accept that they were wrong?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  353. Please be so kind to provide your state of medical licensure and license # in that you have made a medical diagnosis of me without my informed consent that will likely be used as a basis of decision in an outcome determinative manner by anonymous law clerks assigned to my pending litigation who play on blogs all day from their Federal Court Computers while at work.

    Holy molten crazee! Run, SPQR!!!

    Pablo (99243e)

  354. As to the responses, they are rejected for lack of originality.

    I reject your rejection.

    Paul (0ea0cf)

  355. Mary Kate – Why do you avoid answering legitimate questions about your vision quest?

    Where does the telecommunications and computer expertise of you and/or your husband originte to make the outlandish claim the Judge K’s alleged disabling of a firewall is what led to clerks gossiping about your appeal and cost you your bar license? Where are the causes and effects? You haven’t laid them out. All you have done if linked an article? Can you file a complaint or base an appeal on evidence that thin? Haven’t you got anything apart from guesswork?

    Also is it proper ethics for an officer of the court to threaten other officers of the court with complaints or sanctions over actions or regulations which don’t even apply by pretending they do as you have done in this thread MKDP? Do you think the Florida and California bar would be interested in this behavior?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  356. Pablo – Lunacy cannot melt logic but it can look stupid trying.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  357. Pablo, don’t panic. I have my special antiKraZy underwear on. Stay behind me, I’m a professional, I can handle this.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  358. SPQR – You can’t light farts through that stuff can you?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  359. SPQR – You can’t light farts through that stuff can you?

    I’ll bet he can fight larts, though…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  360. daleyrocks, your skepticism wounds me.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  361. Is this website going to attract all the loons that lost in Federal Court and just can’t accept that they were wrong?

    Comment by TLove — 7/1/2008 @ 8:25 pm

    They were not only wrong, they were incompetent. I can see the horse-serviced, rambling stutterers filling a file with prepared paper nonsense. But when push came to shove and they had to put on their case they behaved like the hapless loons they are.

    I’m a farmboy. I feel sorry for the horse.

    nk (11c9c1)

  362. I think we are actually being shorted by teh krazy by half. Senor Esq should be out here tossing around his little nuggets of loonwaffliness. mkdp could not answer an a/b/d/e question if you spotted her the a, b, d, and a bridle. Neigh neigh.

    To be clear David Esq and equally, if not more krazy spouse, I am mocking you. And it does not take a seat at the bar or a medical license to see that you are both completely batshit krazy nutters.

    I denounce myself. Sue me.

    JD (5f0e11)

  363. I gotta quit reading your comments, JD. Mu wife keeps giving me weird looks when I burst out laughing…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  364. hahahahahaha. love the “neigh neigh” especially

    TLove (4a03a6)

  365. mkdp – Please provide your bar #, drivers license #, social security #, date of birth, and mailing address so that we can notify all of our state bar associations about you and Senor Esq.

    JD (5f0e11)

  366. I am really Ann, a computer hacking public servant, who wakes up every day trying to think of new ways to oppress the short bus folks. Whatcha got, mkdp?

    JD (5f0e11)

  367. You know, mkdp and Petrano Esq have some interesting ideas. How could we sign up for your newsletter?

    The Surgeon General and the ASPCA and PETA said to leave Seattle Slew alone.

    JD (5f0e11)

  368. At first, I thought someone was funnin’ with us, being a parody of a satire. But that would require someone to eat a pile of magic shrooms, snort some Thai stick, smoke some powdered rocky mountain oysters, and mainline some peyote (just for fun).

    JD (5f0e11)

  369. “I can see the horse-serviced, rambling stutterers filling a file with prepared paper nonsense. But when push came to shove and they had to put on their case they behaved like the hapless loons they are.

    I’m a farmboy. I feel sorry for the horse.”

    Oh, the horse is quite happy, and jabbers up conversationally quite a bit more than Mr. Ed. He did, in fact, actually accompany me during April 08 in his service animal duties to a telephonic hearing in a case in which I, as a participating law clerk working for counsel of record, did not receive the CART realtime I required to follow the telephonic hearing, my disability service horse assisting me in lieu thereof to overcome my hyperacousia enabling me to follow the Bar Referee’s oral-spoken words.

    “mkdp – Please provide your bar #, drivers license #, social security #, date of birth, and mailing address so that we can notify all of our state bar associations about you and Senor Esq.”

    There is no longer any need for such info. that you have demonstrated, given that during the “AnnTM” computer escapade, following the Mecham-mentioned WebSENSE disabling, an amazing identity theft was performed on my Florida driver’s license whereby my vehicle was broken into, my Florida Class E operators license stolen, a counterfeit ‘learner’s permit’ planted in my wallet, and someone with an unhealthy obsession about me hacked the Florida Dept. of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles official records to alter my official Class E driver’s license record. I do have some circumstantial evidence suggesting such cyberhacking was launched from Federal Court computers, including an admission by FLA. DHSMV attorneys the videos were spoliated, however I am reserving my ultimate conclusion on the issue pending a ruling on the request I am filing in pending seeking discovery rights to irrefutably prove this. I thereby decline your request as I do not wish to be the victim of identity theft twice — or at least until I can have more confidence the Federal Courts Computer WebSENSE firewall hacker hole has been plugged.

    “Where does the telecommunications and computer expertise of you and/or your husband originte to make the outlandish claim the Judge K’s alleged disabling of a firewall is what led to clerks gossiping about your appeal and cost you your bar license? Where are the causes and effects? You haven’t laid them out.”

    Provide me the cite for where it is my obligation to audit the Federal Courts Computer Security logs. I am not the Chief Judge of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals involved in said disabling. Your demands remind me of a famous saying I am sure a Chief Judge with the power and responsibility to investigate and remedy such computer misuse/hacking-wrongdoing would appreciate: ‘To whom great responsibility is given, also are included great expectations.’

    In sum, the Chief Judge has exclusive control over the WebSENSE firewall, thus likewise the of investigation over extent of the breach and how to remedy given the highest order of probability all the relevant and material evidence is also in his exclusive control: in other words, res ipsa.

    But, I can always ASK the Supreme Court, as well as another Court where the “AnnTM” matters are at issue, to permit me to conduct discovery myself and accord me an evidentiary hearing on these same issues. Somewhere in your civil procedure class, you must have fallen asleep during the lecture on what is required of Notice pleading and the procedural function of discovery rights. Sad.

    “MKDP, borrowing your insults from Petrano…”

    And now you accuse me of ‘borrowing insults’ from myself? I am a Petrano. Or maybe you did not equate the “P” in MKDP to “Petrano?” Don’t get me going on the critical thinker-shortcomings of earning your credentials by passing an A/B/C/D test, because your comment is a shining example. You should feel proud of the accomplishment.

    MKDP (e23913)

  370. an amazing identity theft was performed on my Florida driver’s license whereby my vehicle was broken into, my Florida Class E operators license stolen, a counterfeit ‘learner’s permit’ planted in my wallet, and someone with an unhealthy obsession about me hacked the Florida Dept. of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles official records to alter my official Class E driver’s license record.

    ROFLMAO.

    Sorry, JD. MKDP has taken over the thread for best comments. That’s a keeper. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  371. At first, I thought someone was funnin’ with us, being a parody of a satire. But that would require someone to eat a pile of magic shrooms, snort some Thai stick, smoke some powdered rocky mountain oysters, and mainline some peyote (just for fun).

    Addition to above: that one is a beauty, that, in my A/B/C/D/(E) world, I could never replicate. May I borrow if I give you credit? Pretty please, with dark chocolate hot fudge on top?

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  372. mkdp – you needed your horse to understand what the bar referee was saying? do you take your horse to court to understand what people are saying there too? does your horse have an hourly billing rate? does your horse ever cause you to mishear things, for example…

    i want you to show me, versus
    i want you to blow me?

    what happens when the horse vents a half gallon of pungent yellow horse urine on the courtroom floor? if i were opposing you, could i put you off your game by bringing my own horse to court? is a horse really the optimum animal for your needs, or might you be better served with an orangutan, like clint eastwood had in a movie i saw long ago? if the judges where i practiced permitted horse appearances, i would for damn sure trump my opponent’s horse with an orangutan, that’s the kind of envelope-pushing fellow i am.

    assistant devil's advocate (707ecc)

  373. Asst. Devils Advoc:

    Let’s clarify the disability service horse issue. I won Horse-Of-The-Year with my late disability service horse, and I performed at Madison Square Garden three times in addition to winning at almost every major AA-rated show. In sum, in the Equine World, I’m top of my game.

    You may want to query such terms as “therapuetic riding” or “handicapped riding” to get a grip on the concept. As we speak, Mr. Petrano and I are preparing a business plan to offer disability riding to disabled Iraqi War veterans.

    Whenever possible, I ride my horse before I accompany Mr. Petrano to a hearing. Nuff’ said?

    You may notice above “AnnTM” stated she had an “unhealthy obsession” for me AND in another post she made from her Federal Court computers she stated she wanted to know the exact location where I kept my equine disability service horse.

    Within several days of my having exercised legal remedies to address “AnnTM’s” wrongdoing, my girth was cut in several places, I was shot at in the evening by a high-powered rifle with a silencer while walking my horse, and my horse was fed alfatoxin contaminated feed resulting in a Barbaro-style laminitis injury.

    MKDP (d8b8a6)

  374. So in addition to autistic and having an issue with hearing, there’s a massive, lethal dose of paranoia…

    Gotcha…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  375. Jacobs
    if an AnnTM had stated she was “psycho-obsessed” with you and also wanted to know where you lived and kept your pet, you would be wearing DEPEND Brand diapers.

    Yes, MKDP did in fact duck a bullet at an equine horse facility in Hillsborough County, Florida called Keystone Sports Horse Center w/i days after exercising legal remedies against AnnTM.
    Sadly, everything Mary has said is true. AnnTm is a criminal degenerate stalker who should be criminally prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Moreover AnnTm’s cyberstalking against MKDP occurred while she was employed as an 11th Circuit law clerk. Said stalking would have never occurred but for Judge Kozinski having eliminated the WebSENSE firewall.

    David F. Petrano (6c66ba)

  376. You forgot the Esq., Davey…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  377. And at this point – since it looks like TLove is merely toying with my heart – if som chick formed such an obsession, I would likely offer to buy her a plane ticket to come visit…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  378. And if you intend to address me by my last name, it would be polite to add “Mr.”

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  379. bridget @ 374 & 375 – There is simply no way to compete with teh krazy when it is that profound.

    Surely Senor and Senorita Petrano Esq have something resembling proof that the all-powerful and evil AnnTM is conducting and engaging in a systematic stalking of them, including the use of burglary, identity theft, and the use of high powered silenced rifles. Karl Rove has nothing on Ann. Paranoid often?

    Had I stayed up, I could have witnessed teh krazy x2 live, in all its glory.

    I mean, the whole Barbaro therpeutic riding thing is fuckin brilliant. Just picture the Petrano procession to the courthouse. Senor driving his Beverly Hillbilly hoopty, with Senorita trailing behind showing off her mad riding skillz, riding side saddle.

    This is beyond parody. Thank you for the reading pleasure, Petranos.

    JD (5f0e11)

  380. Sadly, everything Mary has said is true.

    Yet she offers nothing other than tenuous temporal relationships as proof.

    JD (75f5c3)

  381. This I know for certain, MKDP’s horse prays nightly that it gets Eight Belled, as opposed to enduring another day in that insane asylum.

    JD (75f5c3)

  382. Yes, MKDP did in fact duck a bullet at an equine horse facility in Hillsborough County…

    …an equine horse facility? Surely, AnnTM slayed all the residents of the equine unicorn facility.

    Pablo (99243e)

  383. Within several days of my having exercised legal remedies to address “AnnTM’s” wrongdoing, my girth was cut in several places, I was shot at in the evening by a high-powered rifle with a silencer while walking my horse…

    If you didn’t get hit, how do you know there was a shot?

    Pablo (99243e)

  384. MKDP,

    Provide me the cite for where it is my obligation to audit the Federal Courts Computer Security logs. I am not the Chief Judge of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals involved in said disabling. Your demands remind me of a famous saying I am sure a Chief Judge with the power and responsibility to investigate and remedy such computer misuse/hacking-wrongdoing would appreciate: ‘To whom great responsibility is given, also are included great expectations.’

    No, my psychotic dumpling, such demands are not being made of you. The request is simply that you explain your claim. Just a tip: You’re going to need to do so at some point if you plan to pursue this.

    Pablo (99243e)

  385. Yes, MKDP did in fact duck a bullet at an equine horse facility in Hillsborough County

    How did she hear the bullet coming when the international assassin used a silencer?

    “equine horse” reminds me of Miss South Carolina saying “US Americans”.

    JD (75f5c3)

  386. mkdp is like Superman, or other such superheroes, able to dodge speeding bullets. Incredible.

    JD (75f5c3)

  387. Pablo – It’s another one of those temporal relationships. They were pissed off at AnnTM and blundered across the Meecham letter and decided, hey why not look into a connection. They have not presented any evidence of causation. It’s a fishing expedition at best. Courts don’t like fishing expeditions.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  388. Mary Kate – Are you asking to allow your service animal to accompany you into court as a reasonable accomodation? Are you asking for judges to allow you to ride your service animal in the court room as a reasonable accomodation?

    What basic like skills does your service animal help you to perform? Since your husband spoke of you riding your service horse, is your horse a full size horse or what is more commonly referred to as a guide horse?

    Are there precedents for full-sized horses being recognized as service animals for the purposes of the ADA? How about guide horses?

    Do you take special medication to make you this nutty or is it a natural condition. If it’s medication, would you mind disclosing them because I would like to avoid taking them?

    Thanks in advance.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  389. Within several days of my having exercised legal remedies to address “AnnTM’s” wrongdoing, my girth was cut in several places, I was shot at in the evening by a high-powered rifle with a silencer while walking my horse

    Does she use your fillings to transmit communist propaganda, and mind rays to read your thoughts too?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  390. If it’s medication, would you mind disclosing them because I would like to avoid taking them?

    I dunno, daleyrocks… I suspect it might be a fairly entertaining experiance if you only take them a couple times a year…

    Everyone needs a good bout with paranoid delusions now and then…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  391. Scott – If I had adult supervision, maybe.

    Mary Kate cleary doesn’t.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  392. Apparently, there is never a lack of demand for tinfoil. Seems like a solid investment opportunity.

    JD (75f5c3)

  393. JD -Mary Kate could put armor on her service horse and herself, silver would be best I think for the tinfoil effect. Very medieval. Very Joan of Arc.

    It might be a little hot in Florida, but crazy people don’t care about stuff like that.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  394. ROFLMAO.

    Thanks for the laugh this morning, guys. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  395. *has ‘Ride of the Valkyries’ running through head*

    *as played by the Loonie Tunes Orchestra*

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  396. Really? I kept hearing “Yakety Sax”…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  397. daleyrocks – Given teh krazy and paranoia exhibited to date, it is a fair assumption that the tin-foil option has already been tested, and found wanting. Mere tinfoil could not harness that level of wackiness in a million years.

    JD (75f5c3)

  398. Heavy on the kazoo, of course.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  399. MKDP, yes I knew you are “a” Petrano, but I was ridiculing your borrowing a pathetic insult from the other Petrano. Something you knew, but decided to pretend that I was the one confused.

    Your allegations are amusingly wild, unsubstantiated and largely technically ridiculous.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  400. BOO !

    absolutely not AnnTM (75f5c3)

  401. The theme from the Benny Hill show pops to mind.

    JD (75f5c3)

  402. #404

    That would be Yakety Sax… :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  403. I would never toy with anyone’s heart.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  404. unless they wanted me to.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  405. tlove just likes teasing us ;-)

    JD (5f0e11)

  406. Me? Never.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  407. So, what was that you were saying about your love of role playing?

    In re. mkdp and Big Brown, exactly who us servicing who?

    JD (5f0e11)

  408. ***looks innocent***

    TLove (4a03a6)

  409. Catholic schoolgirls look innocent. So do librarians. ;-)

    JD (5f0e11)

  410. Heheh. Aren’t you married JD?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  411. Though he raises a good point…

    Speaking of Librarian and CSG outfits, Tlove… :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  412. yes, and yes. ;)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  413. “I’ll be in my bunk…”

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  414. I knew that Scott Jacobs would toss me aside like yesterday’s newspaper within the week. ;)

    Now I’m living vicariously… so a big “awwwwww” to the new object of everyone’s affection.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  415. Oh please. I’m hardly the object of everyone’s affection. I can’t even express views that don’t comport to the majority opinion in the blog without being attacked.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  416. “If you didn’t get hit, how do you know there was a shot?”

    It whizzed very close by me and took out a 250 Watt outdoor light on the Hay Barn.

    MKDP (2e8dfb)

  417. So how do you know it wasn’t a BB gun, and some jack-ass kid?

    Seriously, you’re starting to sound certifiably insane.

    And Bridget – I still love you, but you spurned me. And you’ve never seen Firefly. It’s a hurdle we just can get past… :)

    Tlove – I think some folks are just a tad riled up in that thread… It should calm down, but it has the side benifit of me now having you all to myself. :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  418. “you. The request is simply that you explain your claim. Just a tip: You’re going to need to do so at some point if you plan to pursue this.”

    I am pursuing this in every respect, including discovery to reveal the ISP identities of the anonymous co-conspirator Calif. and Tennessee attys who provided material support to “AnnTM.”

    Mr. Petrano and I are used to living a very quiet and orderly life. Such radically changed when “AnnTM” attempted to board our S/V Canandaigua at dock on about Sept. 28 at 3:00 am.

    MKDP (2e8dfb)

  419. “you. The request is simply that you explain your claim. Just a tip: You’re going to need to do so at some point if you plan to pursue this.”

    I am pursuing this in every respect, including discovery to reveal the ISP identities of the anonymous co-conspirator Calif. and Tennessee attys who provided material support to “AnnTM.”

    Mr. Petrano and I were used to living a very quiet and orderly life. Such radically changed when “AnnTM” attempted to board our S/V Canandaigua at dock on about Sept. 28 at 3:00 am.

    MKDP (2e8dfb)

  420. woooohoooooo

    TLove (4a03a6)

  421. It is getting better.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  422. bridget, you don’t have to go very long without a man. after the bar exam, you should come up here to the “beaver state”.

    assistant devil's advocate (14dc8b)

  423. hahahah. beaver state. This thread is way more fun than the other.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  424. that is oregon’s official nickname. it’s not the one i would have picked, but there you go. i guess it beats “homegrown dope state” or “assisted suicide state”. when i first moved here, i joked to my friends back in california that “oregon” was an indian word meaning “women with big butts.”

    assistant devil's advocate (14dc8b)

  425. big butts in the Kim Kardashian/Jennifer Lopez way or the Roseanne Barr way?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  426. think sumo wrestlers.

    assistant devil's advocate (14dc8b)

  427. hahaha. Yeah, that’s a change from Cali girls.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  428. That’s it MKDP. Bring teh krazy. Don’t hold back. This AnnTM, she is all-powerful.

    tlove – Yes, I do have a Better Half. She knows I am flirty and completely harmless, and that she will pulverize my gonads with a rusty meat mallet should I ever stray.

    JD (5f0e11)

  429. MKDP – So did you have AnnTM arrested?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  430. Of cource she didn’t… The police refused… They’re in on it, don’t you know…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  431. JD – I thought she’d use a knife. You know how good and tricky those Asians are with a knife.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  432. Scott – LOL

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  433. Lovely. My trial is estimated at 6 months.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  434. A knife would be too quick, daley. She would make sure I suffered.

    JD (5f0e11)

  435. actual conversation overheard in diner between two giant sisters during my first week as an oregonian, june, 2001:

    “do you want some more pie?”

    “oh no, i couldn’t possibly.”

    “sure you can, you know it.”

    “i guess you’re right. waitress!”

    “i’m gonna ask her to leave us the whole pie to take home.”

    assistant devil's advocate (14dc8b)

  436. Yikes! Although pie does sound kinda good at the moment.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  437. #438

    Your trial???

    What did you do? :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  438. JD – A filetting or skinning knife?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  439. you know, the usual. Bestiality with themes of urination and defecation.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  440. daleyrocks – If she was going to use a knife, it would be a dull rusty butter knife.

    tlove – YOU ROCK !

    neigh, neigh.

    Racists.

    JD (75f5c3)

  441. #444

    Ummm… ok… *backs away slowly*

    Seriously, are you trying the case, or representing somoene? What kind of case?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  442. representing an insurance company in a complex construction defect matter. I spent 2 hours on CourtCall just to hear that lovely news. Lame.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  443. you know, the usual. Bestiality with themes of urination and defecation.

    tlove – Are thre any high democratic party officials involved and if so, do you have tape?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  444. 448 – they’re all my clients. ;)

    that is oregon’s official nickname. it’s not the one i would have picked, but there you go. i guess it beats “homegrown dope state” or “assisted suicide state”. when i first moved here, i joked to my friends back in california that “oregon” was an indian word meaning “women with big butts.”

    You forgot the “We will pay for your suicide, but not your cancer” state.

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  445. #447

    A bit sooner than you’d rather?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  446. Nah, but the Petrano clan plays a prominent role…

    TLove (4a03a6)

  447. Please come back and play MKDP and Petrano Esq. Pretty please ! ;-)

    JD (75f5c3)

  448. tlove – I would pay to watch that trial.

    JD (75f5c3)

  449. People would pay to watch me do a lot… ;)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  450. Just make sure it doesn’t show up on a federal judge’s computer, or it’ll be described as porn. :)

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  451. #451

    You’re shitting me. REALLY???

    Ok, you MUST come for a visit so we can dish over beers…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  452. You can send me the airline ticket. I prefer to fly out of Burbank, but I’ll settle for LAX is I must.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  453. if

    TLove (4a03a6)

  454. I prefer to fly out of Burbank, but I’ll settle for LAX is I must.

    Wimp. Try flying out of Palm Springs some summer day, when the thermals are just right…

    Bring spare underwear.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  455. Given how badly designed and run LAX is, everyone prefers to fly out of Burbank if possible.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  456. A shame this weekend is the weekend of the 4th…

    Next weekend if far cheaper… ;)

    Hey, I’m not the lawyer here… I ain’t rolling in money you know… ;)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  457. People would pay to watch me do a lot…

    You are an evil woman. Me likey.

    I am flying into LAX in a few short weeks.

    JD (75f5c3)

  458. Hehehe. Well, I am busy both this weekend and next. I suppose we are relegated to blog posts.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  459. And what, my married friend, are you doing in LA in a few short weeks?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  460. tlove – My mother lives in Pasadena. Annual trek out west, except usually it is on my Harley. Not enough time to ride this year, so Southwest will have to do.

    JD (75f5c3)

  461. Nice. Even headed to my neck of the woods. Love that. And where are you headed in from?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  462. you forgot the “we will pay for your suicide, but not your cancer” state.

    what an odd thing for a conservative to suggest, that the state has some kind of obligation to pay for everybody’s cancer. we’re a low-tax state that can’t even afford to pay for everybody’s corns and bunions. it is only from our bottomless well of compassion and humanitarianism that we offer to pay for suicides. it is heartrending to contemplate the sad case of someone who wants to go see jesus, but can’t afford the ticket.

    assistant devil's advocate (14dc8b)

  463. Indianapolis. I am one of those gun and bible clinging uneducated rubes in flyover country.

    JD (75f5c3)

  464. I’ve been to Indy. Interesting place. :/

    TLove (4a03a6)

  465. It is a nice quiet city in the heartland.

    JD (75f5c3)

  466. I was there for the F1 races, so it wasn’t all that quiet. Interesting people, I must say.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  467. #467 – wait a minute! This is a CONSERVATIVE blog?? No wonder I don’t fit in! EEEK!

    TLove (4a03a6)

  468. :D

    TLove (4a03a6)

  469. A Backlog Of Cases Alleging Fraud
    Whistle-Blower Suits Languish at Justice
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070103071.html?wpisrc=newsletter

    Sure, DOJ under Barry Sabin, Esq. Chief, Criminal Division, has prosecuted about a dozen out of 900 of these cases. In fact, the only cases Sabin has prosecuted are the ones so clearly criminal, they are literally crammed downed by members of Congress. Oh, AnnTm worked under Sabin when she was a 3L at Harvard before she moved up to the 11th Circuit. When AnnTm attampted to board my vessel “Canandaigua,” she was working with Sabin under a joint Harvard Law School – DOJ Law student program.

    Sabin is the genius who brought us the Detroit Sleeper Cell case as well as the 67 IQ Haitain who was the alleged “Miami Terrorist Mastermind.”

    David F. Petrano Esq (2e8dfb)

  470. During F1, Indy was quite the cosmopolitan city. The influx of Swedish, Finnish, Nordic, Argentinian, and Brazilian women was a nice bonus too. No more F1, but the MotoGP should be great.

    JD (5f0e11)

  471. Don’t forget the beautiful Armenian women.

    MotoGP would be great to see live – although it is pretty scary to watch on TV.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  472. David – Now that is what I am talking about. International terrorism. Sniper fire. Molesting horses. Grand tangled conspiracies. Grade A whack-job krazy. Double down again.

    JD (5f0e11)

  473. I like the American women the best. :-D

    I live not terribly far from Indy… Would love to go see a race some day…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  474. @478

    It’s better than a Clancy novel…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  475. Armenian woman are just a given.

    I went to MotoGP practice and testing at lunch. Those guys have some serious dingleberries.

    JD (5f0e11)

  476. We should have a gathering! Patterico poster’s day out! :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  477. Scott – Come on over. The Brickyard is right around the corner. The Nationwide race the night before is even better.

    JD (5f0e11)

  478. Hahaha. Sounds fun!

    TLove (4a03a6)

  479. Much more fun with an innocent looking librarian ;-)

    JD (5f0e11)

  480. I’m finding the looney stuff quite hilarious, but am I the only one to notice that problem with chronology here? Now we have their supposed law clerk stalker going back in time to stalk them?

    Pure looney gold.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  481. ADA, I’m a libertarian. I don’t think Oregon should be paying for suicide, either. :)

    FYI – if I’m not persona non grata around her, may I point out that I’ll be in LA at the end of July?

    bridget (e8e4c8)

  482. Rich, chewy craziness from Mary Kate on Volokh from December 2005:

    I previously posted the following excerpt in the Comments to Dec. 7, Al-Arian thread on the Patriot Act and why my husband (an attorney ) and I have reason to believe we have been subject to a Patriot Act abuse for simply having brought forth two Americans With Disabilities Act cases in Federal Court, US Supreme Court Dockets No. 05-7287 and 05-7771, and Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, No. 05-14259-J, for which we thereafter arrested in admiralty a Vessel we have reason to believe was adjacent to our Vessel to conduct surveillance on us. Eleventh Circuit Appeal No. 05-15248.

    Everytime my husband and I try to get discovery in any of our cases it gets cut off, in one case by a district judge even after the magistrate ordered disceovery to be turned over. In the Vessel case, to try to wrestle the arrest from us, an admitted (recognized by the district judge) perjuring witness was brought forth to defeat our claim.

    After I posted the below excerpt, when my husband sent my computer (a voice-recognition Speech-To-Text disability assisitve device) in for repairs to the manufacturer it now appears my computer device may have been seized by Patriot Act investigators, as it has been hijacked with no explanation for more than a week and a half, when on previous repair it was returned due to my disabilities in 2 days. Has my disability device now been seized?

    First a perjurer, and now my disability device?

    If there has been an abuse of the Patriot Act against my husband and I for seeking to enforce ADA and First Amendment rights, and this abuse would include taking a disability device away from a disabled person to prevent her unpopular cases from going forward in the Supreme Court and Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, this should be an affront to every person who cares at all about civil rights and civil liberties. It would seem even a wheelchair or a seeing eye dog could be now be seized, and one has to wonder if the express conflict preemption provision of “other federal laws” under the ADA repeals in whole or part the immunity and non-disclosure provisions of the Patriot Act, since a retaliation against a disabled person is not a legimitate law enforcement objective and is defined by the ADDA as unlawful.

    Just my two cents, but if my husband and I are on the domestic Patriot Act abuse lists, I wish someone would tell me why a person who passed a bar examination with necessary reasonable accommodations poses such a perceived “threat” to anyone just for trying to get accommodated.

    The previous excerpt:

    12. Before the ADA litigation, my life and that of my friend (who got his Florida bar admission and became my husband) was relatively uneventful; evidently, however, my ADA civil rights litigation was unpopular, afterwards we became subjected to:

    (a.)numerous entrapment attempts on both my husband and I, one of which involved a convicted federal bank fraud who appeared to be an informant;

    (b.)appx. 6 attempts by people to run us off the road while driving places, one of which caused an accident resulting in two Secret Service agents showing up in the hospital emergency room a family member was taken to by ambulance from the accident scene;

    (c.)much electronic interference with our cell phones, computers, and television, and very shortly after my ADA Federal suit was filed, an apparent ‘sneak and peek’ attempted boarding of our vessel, aborted upon discovery I was on the vessel with a camera, followed two nights later by what appears to have been a DEA task force response to a fictitious scenario my husband and I spoke in the privacy of our vessel home to determine if we were being electrnically surveilled without our permission (local police filed a police report about the 3 am attempted boarding incident, inexplicably refused to pursue the fleeing suspects, and minutes later four law enforcement officers showed up in the same cab in which the suspects fled asking to ‘be paid for this’);

    (d.) during Florida’s Hurricane Jeanne, the vessel adjacent to our vessel appeared to be deliberately reckelessly tied to ensure it would break loose at the height of the Hurricane and crush our vessel with us on it like a watermelon (4-5 mooring lines instead of 12 required for Hurricanes, placed so low on tie pole as to ensure breakage at height of Hurricane storm surge), and my husband had to leap onto the vessel in peril in 75+ mph Hurricane force winds to secure it to save my life; the following morning, someone placed the vessel’s 220 voltage electrical line under our dock to intimidate us;

    (e.) I complained to the local police (defendants in the ADA federal suit) who investigated the previous 3 am vessel boarding incident to investigate who would have tied the vessel adjacent to us like that and put the 220 voltage line under our dock, and my husband and I were told to ‘go to the Coast Guard;’

    (f) For the next 3 months, no one came back to that vessel adjacent to us, so my husband and I filed in admiralty and arrested the offending vessel we had successfully saved from marine peril at the height of the Hurricane(breaking loose); the only witness the Defendants brought forth was a former Coast Guard E-9 petty officer, who committed perjury in open court before a federal magistrate (the district judge has recognized the perjury in the record of the case on PACER);

    (g) The vessel case has dragged on for more than a year and we are still not beyond resolution of the “expedited” post-arrest hearing, since the perjurer’s testimony was stricken; at that hearing striking the testimony, the courtrooom was filled with people who looked like federal governmental people, and the Defendants were authorized by someone to park in the spots reserved for the US Marshal; it is questionable who owns the vessel given two $1 transfers on the title; and we ordered the transcript of the hearing two months ago and the Court reporter still has not filed the transcript;

    (h) My husband and I made FOIA requests on federal agencies, and after this in every federal agency in which we had something pending, all were promptly denied: DOJ discrimination complaints on Title II State public entities were inexplicably dumped based on Title III of the ADA, my Social Security disability appeal is not being docketed and I am not being given any hearing (filed more than a year ago), and a medical doctor for the US Attorneys’ Office in Tampa wrote in a medical report used against my husband that he had reviewed my videotaped deposition, which was never taken because I filed a motion to quash, which report the Tampa US Attorneys Office used to coerce my husband to drop his student loan proceeding;

    (i) We then brought suit against the perjurer in the vessel case for running up vessel fees during the arrest, who admitted he committed perjury to protect the vessel and the owner, knew it was wrong, and also admitted knowledge (though did not personally participate in) the “commando raid” (his words) on our vessel home, the one at 3 am, the one where the local police told us to go to the Coast Guard;

    (j) A magistrate ordered a discovery deadline in my ADA federal suit to investigate the 3 am attempted vessel boarding incident, which was abruptly cut off without explanation by the district judge to prevent the discovery, sending the case on appeal. What was there we would have found out in discovery?;

    (k) my husband and I are repeatedly being subject to interference by one or more defendants, or their associates or employees, in our cases, almost every time we have a critical deadline. On the evening my United States Supreme Court Petition was due in my ADA federal suit, Docket No. 05-7771, two employees of a defendant put my husband and I right in the middle of emergency police operations, police cars screaming up to us at 50 mph out of nowhere, stopping just feet short of where we were about to go board our vessel, employing bright search lights, officer jumped out in a bullet proof vest with his hands on guns, and eventually ran after other people nearby in a chase – intentional intimidation? We need more discovery, but the defendants are fully aware part of my disability is posttraumatic stress disorder from having watched my mother die, and I took cover because I thought my husband and I were going to die in a spray of bullets for having the audacity to file my Petition in the Supreme Court;

    13. A few days ago, msn reported that there was a botched “terror” investigation in Tampa, evidence was compromised, and an agent whistleblower said the Bush administration had tried to make a domestic terrorist case out of no evidence of any terrorism, and no arrests have ever been made in the case. (The whistle blower was Mr. German).

    The reason I am writing about this in response to the Al-Arian Patriot Act discussion here is I think it is important when people discuss the Bush administration and the Patriot Act that is is conceivable two American citizens who only sought reasonable accommodations to pursue one’s bar admission and restore a driver’s license unjustifiably suspended — and the fact my husband represented his brother with brain cancer (gloioblastoma) as his attorney, together with the brother penning a ctitique of the Bush administration on Arianna.com called “Bin Laden Is Moses Reborn (which has no connection with myself or my husband other than purely by association) — were subject to an abuse of the Patriot Act by the federal government.

    Of course, my husband and I are fighting for our right of discovery in these matters. We want to know if WE are the subject of the Tampa botched “terror” investigation solely because we brought forth an unpopular ADA disability civil rights case, and criticized the Bush administration’s policies to pay for tax cuts for the rich by starving out the disabled, denying the disabled medical care, cutting the disabled from Social Security disability, refusal to enforce the ADA in employment and licensing opportunities, and because I took my case to the Supreme Court. And also because my husband’s brother who is sick with cancer penned a critique of the Bush administration’s anti-terrorism practices under a catchy titled blog thread that has more than 5000 entries by members of the public.

    Surely, if my husband and I ARE the subject of an abuse of the Patriot Act, what everyone should know is this can happen to anyone, any American citizen, for simply engaging in First Amendment protected activities.

    In sum, it would appear there may have been a substantial abuse of the Patriot Act as well as infliction of punishment on my husband and I by a deliberate attempt to ensure non-survival of two American citizens just for filing unpopular civil rights cases in America’s Courts, and criticism of Bush administration policies, in order to silence and defeat civilian opposition to the policies of the Bush administration.

    So, having written this, while before I believed in the Patriot Act, now I am having a hard time with the notion Congress should extend and expand the government’s powers under the Patriot Act, as well as a hard time with the notion a person can have important legal rights denied based on “guilt by association” or holding unpopular views critical of the government.

    The danger, of which our Founding Fathers were well aware, is abuse of ordinary citizens by an all too powerful government without Constitutional protections, and while all these things have happened to my husband and I as described above with no remedy, one thing is certain — the US Attorney has not done one thing to punish the perjurer. He is still walking free.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  483. daleyrocks – That is beyond parody. That is krazy cubed. Great find.

    JD (5f0e11)

  484. More from the rubber room:

    Surveillance has been used against my husband and I — how do we know? A 2003 police report documenting a “commando raid” on our vessel at about 3:00 am in response to my first ADA civil rights lawsuit and our speaking in our home a fictitious ‘heroin drug’ scenario to test out our belief the interference with our electronics was being caused by surveillance — which brought forth the “raid” within 5-15 minutes, immediately thereafter four unidentified law enforcement officers were seen closeby who were not with the local police, the admitted (recognized by the District Court Judge) perjurer in open Court aknowledging he knew about (but did not personally participate in) the “commando raid,” admitting the Vessel my husband and I arrested in admiralty was surveilling us. Since it was tied recklessly to endanger our lives forcing us to rescue it from the marine peril and admittedly was surveilling us, thats why we arrested it. There are also numberous Rule 26 disclosures about electronic interference with my cell phone, monitoring from Austin, Texas by an individual who tailored an equine web site to appeal to my autism who has since disappeared along with his now defunct web site, numerous instant message raids on my computer designed with colorful paw prints and leopard stripes to exploit the profiled appeal to my autism, hijacking my daughter’s email adddress to induce me to open a chat room invitation (she was on a different instant message with me at the time and denied the hijack was from her), a convicted federal bank fraud trying to entrap my husband and I (conviction was readly confirmable on US PACER Party Index, as was his previous history of serving as an informant), a “bar applicant” who solicited me with an unauthorized LEXIS number that I promptly rejected and deleted, and the practice of the Middle District of Florida and Eleventh Circuit of having secret case dockets when there is this kind of activity going on. Several items are provable, and the rest my husband and I maintain we have the right to discover through the discovery process. So, to say “there is no evidence” is to state a position of ignorance hoping it not to be true, upon which you base your completely unsupported position; perhaps you do not have a comeback argument to confront the real facts, so you have to resort to unsupported premises?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  485. #484

    You gonna come join us?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  486. #488 and #490

    My GOD they are completely UNHINGED!!!

    It’s like someone stole their sanity, violated it anally, and then stabbed and murdered it!

    Cause it’s fucking GONE man… GONE!

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  487. Man, it is going to take a lot of aluminum foil to build enough of aluminum foil deflector beanies for those two to resist the psychotronic radiation.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  488. I think we should cease and desist with the Petranos. I think we are dealing with severe personality disorder bordering on psychosis, not autism, although some charitable psychiatrist might include autism, autism having a very broad definition.

    They are mentally ill and picking on them is not nice. I regret my previous “servicing horse” comments.

    Let’s just ignore them and hope they go away.

    nk (16accd)

  489. Cease and desist – I agree.

    DRJ (a0ba79)

  490. Well sure, that would be the nice thing to do.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  491. I was interested in their legal theories, but they do seem even more over the top than Cyrus, so I am happy to dease and desist.

    I can find old episodes of the Twilight Zone elsewhere for amusement. I don’t come to this blog to find new ones.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  492. One nugget from a Mary Kate comment on that Volokh thread, though. According to Mary Kate, her mom self-immolated on her father’s lawn as an Equal Protection protest.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  493. There was a wonderful little boy on our Little League team, this summer. He could only do one thing at a time. I would tell him to be ready to bat and he would get ready. We would tell him to bat and he would. He would hit one out and we would have to tell him to run. When fielding, he would catch the ball perfectly and then protect it as though it were football. I would have to tell him to throw it to first base.

    I know, off-topic but better than what we have been talking about.

    nk (16accd)

  494. nk – I agree, but I had a bunch of other stuff ready to drop in and resisted the urge. The devil got to me with that little bit of info.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  495. One nugget from a Mary Kate comment on that Volokh thread, though. According to Mary Kate, her mom self-immolated on her father’s lawn as an Equal Protection protest.

    Hell of a note to end on…

    I did a spit-take from my can of soda as I read it… Thankfully, after time spent here, I keep some paper towels and screen-cleaning wipes at my computer – both at work and at home.

    I need them around you people… :)

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  496. Teh crahzee sounds like it’s inherited in that family Scott.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  497. Scott, sure! I’m in!

    TLove (4a03a6)

  498. daleyrocks – those are freakin’ priceless. Thank you. tlove – you’re welcome along with everyone else.

    JD (5f0e11)

  499. Oh, well now I feel special.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  500. You-all forgot the very recent threat posted on Volokh Conspiracy after some “AnnTM” talk, to wit: ‘Can’t we just CIPAV her computer?” Following which my computer, that is equipped with Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition as medicine prescribed by my doctor to enable others to comprehend my autism language-communication impairments, was almost immediately struck down by an apparent CIPAV Trojan horse and destroyed.

    Like the viscious attack on my equine disability service horse, the attack on my speech recognition computer, both prescribed as medicine by my doctors were NOT AUTHORIZED legitimate law enforcement activity under the USA Patriot Act.

    Oh, wait … next you-all are going to be alleging fake Feds are running around impersonating “AnnTM” and her gang.

    I imagine Higazy was assumed to be a crackpot, too, before the FBI and DOJ admitted they really screwed HIS case up. To the point of embarassment that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals had to take down its opinion, sanitize it, and repost it.

    MKDP (ddd986)

  501. Please post links/cites to the above alleged Petrano quotes. Thank you.

    MKDP (ddd986)

  502. tlove – Had I extended a standing invitation to just you, Better Half would likely get pissed, and it would be rude to not include everyone.

    Your uber-cool status remain intact.

    JD (5f0e11)

  503. We’re not feeding the trolls, right?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  504. Ok, I feel better. =) So when’s the party?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  505. (on a side note, Better Half need not get pissed about little old me. For all everyone here knows I could have been one of those Oregonian women taking the entire pie home)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  506. I am thinking that the weekend of The Brickyard would be fun.

    JD (5f0e11)

  507. isn’t that soon?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  508. Well … like … you know … it’s past, TLove. It happened on Memorial Day (May 24 this year). But there’s Chevy Day on July 25. And more races on July 26 and 27.

    And I’m not more than an hour away. We can sit on my deck and drink whiskey, beer and wine and eat barbercue. I don’t guarantee TV unless you like childrens’ shows.

    nk (16accd)

  509. Oh. Well, that all sounds lovely…but are you sure you guys can handle a farrrrr left liberal for a weekend? (and I’m talking NRDC, PETA, and much much more…)

    TLove (4a03a6)

  510. MKDP – Those “alleged” quotes came from the 12/15/05 comment thread on Volokh.com to the post about the N.Y. Times exposure of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. I may have the date off by one or two, but you should be able to track it down.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  511. Oh. Well, that all sounds lovely…but are you sure you guys can handle a farrrrr left liberal for a weekend? (and I’m talking NRDC, PETA, and much much more…)

    “I wish they all could be California girls” my fat aunt Fanny.

    nk (16accd)

  512. hahahaha.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  513. Hey Patterico, you and wifey wanna go to Indy?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  514. “We’re not feeding the trolls, right?”

    Remarkably similar cuing terminology to that used on the Volokh. And there are extensive Volokh quotes above. Did some Volokh-ers blog-hop? Concerted action? Sounds like a boycott in restraint of trade to prevent the exercise of Americans With Disabilities Act civil rights and First Amendment rights, Sherman Act Sec. 1.

    State the cue-word “troll,” and calls go out to censor the First Amendment speech about MKDP’s and DFP’s civil rights = boycott.

    MKDP (ddd986)

  515. Ok MKDP, I realize I probably should have been reading your posts before this point, but they were all just so long and rant-like.

    Could you maybe condense into a couple of brief sentences what your case was about and how you think you were wronged?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  516. MKDP – Troll is a common term on the internet so don’t let your paranoia get in a lather Mary Kate.

    I found the Volokh thread through a google search all by my lonesome.

    Sherman Act violations – hilarious. You’re still commenting aren’t you?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  517. Sounds like a boycott in restraint of trade to prevent the exercise of Americans With Disabilities Act civil rights and First Amendment rights, Sherman Act Sec. 1.

    That’s right, Cathy, amp up teh krazy, doubled and re-doubled. Tell your talking horse I said, “Whinny neigh whinny hinny.” Then please do the world a favor and smash all electronic devices in your home more complicated than a paper cup and string.

    Krazy that powerful might be transmittable over communications lines, in violation of Jeffersons (George, Weezie and Lionel), et al. v. Flintstone & Jetson [majority decision written by Wizrd O. Oz). So grab a hammer and start swinging!

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  518. Mary Kate – How is a private noncommercial internet blog supposed to make reasonable accomodations for people under the ADA? Why is it a covered entity?

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  519. “I found the Volokh thread through a google search all by my lonesome.”

    Okay, I’ll take your word for it, with reservations.

    MKDP (50a98a)

  520. If you folks buy into the “official” explanation the WebSENSE firewall was eliminated because Article III players wanted access to in-chamber porno, I imagine you are content with having to use sanitary wipes whenever you handle originally signed courthouse documents. Personally, I see this as something far more sinister.

    On September 10, 2001, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals officially eviscerated the WebSense firewall so Article III players could communicate over the internet with absolute anonymity, free of any degree of monitoring whatsoever. Great thing to have in place in the event of a coup ‘d etat

    September 10th 2001 is the same day NORAD officially decided to give the go-code on a mock drill to be held on September, 11th 2001, whereby hijacked planes would be flown into the World Trade Center. The mock drill gave NORAD officials the excuse for not scrambling the fighter jets when Logan Airport called NORAD on September 11th to advise of the hijacking.

    Add to the above the implosion of WTC-7 whereby millions of official U.S. government documents were destroyed in a flash, and all that’s left for me to say is HOW CONVEEEENIENT!!!!!

    AnnTM and Theron Hutto are not the only criminal degenerates running amuck.

    MKDP (50a98a)

  521. These folks are for real, aren’t they?

    Neigh, neigh Big Brown.

    I bet AnnTM has some rockin’ stories that she could tell.

    JD (5f0e11)

  522. MKDP – There were no hijackings on 9/11/01. It was an inside job. You already raised the right questions about WTC 7, just keep going. You’re on the right track.

    Think about the Bilderberg Group too. It’s all connected.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  523. tlove – The Brickyard is July 27th, and the Nationwide race @ IRP in the night before on the 26th. If any of you are going to be in town, or would like to, would love to meet up.

    daleyrocks – Those quotes were priceless.

    JD (75f5c3)

  524. JD – That thread was amazing. MKDP started making threats there. Apparently they hung out at Volokh around that time.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  525. mkdp, please take extra caution in the next few days. i have reason to suspect that a navy frogman will attempt to surreptitiously board your vessel in order to put a small nugget of kryptonite in your dildo.

    assistant devil's advocate (4d3096)

  526. Hey, I did not post this; DEvis F. Petrano, Esq, did:

    “If you folks buy into the “official” explanation the WebSENSE firewall was eliminated because Article III players wanted access to in-chamber porno, I imagine you are content with having to use sanitary wipes whenever you handle originally signed courthouse documents. Personally, I see this as something far more sinister.

    On September 10, 2001, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals officially eviscerated the WebSense firewall so Article III players could communicate over the internet with absolute anonymity, free of any degree of monitoring whatsoever. Great thing to have in place in the event of a coup ‘d etat

    September 10th 2001 is the same day NORAD officially decided to give the go-code on a mock drill to be held on September, 11th 2001, whereby hijacked planes would be flown into the World Trade Center. The mock drill gave NORAD officials the excuse for not scrambling the fighter jets when Logan Airport called NORAD on September 11th to advise of the hijacking.

    Add to the above the implosion of WTC-7 whereby millions of official U.S. government documents were destroyed in a flash, and all that’s left for me to say is HOW CONVEEEENIENT!!!!!

    AnnTM and Theron Hutto are not the only criminal degenerates running amuck.”

    This blog has a default access flaw that desgnated the comment to myself. I was asleep at the time. So, if you’all have comments and remarks to make, please direct them to the actual author.

    And, this one as well:

    “MKDP started making threats there.”

    I have not threatened anyone. Perhaps between the CIPAV trojan horse used to destroy my other disability speech recognition medically prescribed computer immediately after Volokh posters threatened “can’t we just CIPAV her comuter?,” together with the blog default flaws incorrectly designating me as the author of things I did not actually write or post, I suggest you start looking elsewhere for your alleged “threatener.”

    I have five disc bulges in my spine, a broken foot, a meniscus tear in my other knee, a dislocated uterus from the seat restraint breaking in the last rear-end motor vehicle accidentI was in, and autism: I have a great deal of difficulty simply walking in the absence of being able to ride aboard my now injured equine disability service horse, and cannot acccess any court absent paperless electronic format all Internet filing/service/scanned documents. In sum, I am a vulnerable disabled adult as defined in Fla. Stat., Sec. 415.1111.

    The only one here who is the predator who has threatened — and acted on to actually carry out her threats — is “AnnTM,” Harvard Law Review Editor, a/k/a Elizabeth Oyer.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  527. corr:
    “DEvis” = David

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  528. Holy Jeebus. ada, and MKDP, you are killing me.

    JD (75f5c3)

  529. Post 528 was posted by me. Somehow it posted under MKDP.

    We are sharing a computer while HP services the notebook comp recently attacked while on Volokh’s blog by a wacked-out commentor opposing her views having the ability to trigger a CIPAV virus.

    I am used to criticism and attacks on my property as well as my safety and well being whenever I express my take on the “official” explanations regarding events before, during and following 9/11.

    It is abundantly clear all of the persons who post on this thread see nothing wrong with 11th Circuit Court of Appeals law clerk “AnnTM’s” statements she had an “unhealthy obsession” and “bizarre fascination” for my wife while she clerked for the judge who ruled on my wife’s cases before that court. Such is the way justice has evolved post 9/11.

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  530. Mary Kate and David, how can we miss you if you don’t go away?

    From the 12/15/05 Volokh thread:

    1. I asked for a reasonable accommodation in a “grandparent visitation” case in Sonoma County, California Superior Court. I must have blasphemed God to have made such a request, because I was subjected to:

    (i.) six bailiffs standing right behind me jangling their handcuffs with their hands on their guns with the State Court judge informing me if I opened my mouth and made a request for accommodations or one word of argument to defend my then-15 years of sole custody of my biological daughter, I would be held in criminal contempt and jailed. Now THERE’s an intimidation prohibited by 42 U.S.C. Sec. 12203, but I learned the first rule of law school: I obey judges’ orders and directives in the first instance, and then I take my appeals.

    (ii.) I was stripped of my 15-years of status-quo sole custody of my daughter with no finding of any parental unfitness whatsoever, just because I am disabled, under a grandparent visitation “best interests” standard of the type subsequently struck down by the Supreme Court. I tried to overcome disabilty barriers in the Supreme Court for review, but in appx. 8 cases I have tried to file there, I was unable to overcome the Supreme Court’s disability barriers in all but 3 of my cases over 16 years). I guess the Supreme Court inadvertently hired Josh, Humble Law Student, and enthymeme and they only believe in Equal justice for wheelchair users, but not assistive technology victims.

    (iii.) the State Court Judge retaliated for my asking for accommodations, by refusing them without any evidentiary hearing, violating the ADA’s Title II anti-surcharge regulation, 28 C.F.R. Sec. 35.130(f), by forcing my mentally disabled mother to work more than 80 hours a week to pay my court costs and perform as my scribe/amanuensis (he forced her to be my accomodation) under threat of my not being able to defend my constitutional right to parent my own child (cutting of her grandparent rights as well), knowing he was deteriorating mymother’s mental condition to the point she self-immolated on my father’s front lawn in an Equal Protection protest with suicide signs at the scene “Sonoma County Gives Green Light to: Violence Against Women.” Ah, yes, there is a documented police report on this.

    (iv.) the male State Court Judge also belittled the fact my father severely beat me in a domestic violence attack, causing the majority of my physical disabilities by ramming my head repeatedly into the walls of his house, refused to protect my safety and the safety of my daughter, in the exact same time frame that gave rise to the Theresa Macias DV murder by her husband in the same jurisdiction, and then the Judge attacked my bar admission by stating “God knows we already have too many problems with attorneys without adding one more to the stack” &”she is just intelligent enought to cause tremendous problems for everyone.” A few years later, this Judge was removed from the Bench because he also groped his judicial assistant.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  531. “mkdp, please take extra caution in the next few days. i have reason to suspect that a navy frogman will attempt to surreptitiously board your vessel in order to put a small nugget of kryptonite in your dildo.”

    Thank you for your take on the series of boardings of the Petranos vessel constituting criminal Malicious Mischief In A Maritime Context:

    1.) “AnnTM’s” Sept. 2003 boarding;
    2.) Volokh blog originated CIPAV Trojan horse attack launched on my speech recognition computer while located on the vessel on navigable waters;
    3.) threat of navy frogman boardings.

    Or did those with the vessel fascination forget navigable waters = admiralty jurisdiction?

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  532. admiralty jurisdiction

    Admiralty jurisdiction = SCOTUS original jurisdiction, so rush right down there and file those papers!!!

    Be sure to include all pertinent details regarding your disability horse. And don’t ignore the muffled laughter and rolling eyes, since those are secret code signals that mean that your car is having its tires stolen and replaced with exact duplicates so that Neptunus Rex can monitor your every move from his secret lair at the bottom of the Marianas trench, 6,000 fathoms down

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  533. post # 539 was mine, not DFP’s. Maybe “AnnTM” IS the CIPAV destroyer lurking on here to sabotage the identity of Petrano posts, or one of her Volokh friends ??? …because this computer sure is not posting what is intended.

    daleyrocks, “a ‘grandparent visitation’ case in Sonoma County, California Superior Court”

    You forgot to add the good part: after Presiding Superior Court Judge Elaine Waters disqualified the entire Sonoma County Superior Court Bench predicated on violations of Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act, the assigned Judge, John Gallagher, was removed from the Bench by the Calif. Comm. on Judicial Performance for groping his judicial assistant.

    Now THERE’s some porn that would tantalize even Judge K.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  534. Drumwaster,

    “Admiralty jurisdiction = SCOTUS original jurisdiction”

    Please cite your legal authority for this.

    Please also provide your State of Atty licensure and Bar # since you are giving me legal advice over the Internet directed into the State of Florida about my admiralty case, Petranos v. Vessel Mistress currently on petition for cert at the Supreme Court.

    Thanks you.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  535. Petrano/MKDP, regardless of whether or not you and MKDP are actually different people, sharing a computer or not, you are making silly, unsubstantiated claims. If you don’t want to be ridiculed further, you should consider retiring from this discussion.

    MKDP, if you think that threatening to file disciplinary complaints about people who address you on a blog makes you look sane, you really need to rethink.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  536. MKDP – I just cut and pasted what you wrote. Don’t blame me.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  537. “post # 539 was mine, not DFP’s. Maybe “AnnTM” IS the CIPAV destroyer lurking on here to sabotage the identity of Petrano posts, or one of her Volokh friends ??? …because this computer sure is not posting what is intended.”

    I think incompetence on your end is the most likely culprit rather than skulking saboteurs, seriously.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  538. SPQR:

    “Petrano/MKDP, regardless of whether or not you and MKDP are actually different people, sharing a computer or not, you are making silly, unsubstantiated claims. If you don’t want to be ridiculed further, you should consider retiring from this discussion.”

    THIS is a threat. My posts are true. If you want to say they are untrue, then prove it. In the meantime DEAL WITH IT.

    “MKDP, if you think that threatening to file disciplinary complaints about people who address you on a blog makes you look sane, you really need to rethink.”

    President Bush’s Florida Election lawyer Barry Richard told me to file Bar complaints against anyone who violated my rights protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act to be free of discrimination, retaliation, and irrations prejudices. I simply follow his instructions. Your take is an unsubstantiated anonymous smear on my reputation because as an older lawyer it is clear by your ADA-hostile posts you would rather not obey the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Share your perverted twisted distorted view of the Americans With Disabilities Act with the 7200 California Bar applicants with learning disabilities who sued the Committee of Bar Examiners for illegal discirmination on the California Bar Exam.

    You don’t intimidate me, anonymous counselor.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  539. corr:
    “irrations prejudices” = irrational discrimination

    i.e., prohibited by the ADA.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  540. MKDP, I did not try to intimidate you. You are trying to intimidate others. And you are doing it in a very kooky way. You’ve failed. None of your attempts at intimidation will cause people to not think that you’ve suddenly lost your inability to make coherent comments, your ridiculous “legal” theories and complete absence of any logic is amusing for awhile. Just as the many other disturbed people we’ve seen go through the blogosphere like Fritch and Rosnthal.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  541. daleyrocks (Dr. Hannibal Lector, wannabe?), “I think incompetence on your end is the most likely culprit rather than skulking saboteurs, seriously”

    So you’re now making a psychiatric diagnosis of me over the Internet directed into the State of Florida?

    Please provide your State of medical licensure, type of medical license, and license #.

    Please also identify each and every medical history document/report about me you relied upon to ground your medical diagnosis.

    Lastly, please provide a copy of your medical malpractice liability insurance policy.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  542. MKDP, your incompetence is not a medical diagnosis. It is obvious from your own comments.

    And you can’t sue anyone for making such an obvious opinion except in your Alice-in-Wonderland version of US law.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  543. Guess not.

    July 27…I’ll look into it.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  544. SPQR,
    Like others on this thread, it is clear you have earned your respective credentials by passing an A/B/C/D test. You simply cannot think outside of a response suggesting anyone you disagree with is either:
    (A) un-sound
    (B) un-American
    (B) un-happy
    (D) un-informed

    If you feel MKDP or myself are stating falsehoods or otherwise intimidating others, prove it.

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  545. Petrano, the intimidation is evident on the face of your comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  546. SPQR, evident by whom, the little pieces dingleberries you smear on your index finger before you post something?

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  547. Petrano, evident to anyone who is competent. Demanding a copy of a medical insurance policy is a threat to sue. A frivolous threat by you.

    Why don’ you go report yourself to the disciplinary board?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  548. “MKDP, your incompetence is not a medical diagnosis. It is obvious from your own comments.”

    Lets see: DSM-IV-R defines autism as a language-communication disability.

    Licensed medical doctors/licensed psychiatrists diagnosis autism.

    SPQR makes an opinion predicated precisely on MKDP’s “comments,” comprised of her written language-communication, that she is allegedly “incompetent.”

    SPQR made a medical diagnosis of MKDP’s autism language-communication impairments that concludes (falsely) such = “incompetence.”

    And SPQR really expects everyone to choke on their own vomit when laughing uncontrollably at SPQR’s nonsensical non-sequitur about MKDP’s autism?

    SPQR whines and complains about MKDP’s California and Florida lawsuits, counting the number, without being honest and forthright enough to disclose to the readership per lawsuit which ones, if any, entered an order providing MKDP with the reasonable accommodations in such Courts (including the Ninth Circuit) she required for Tennessee v. Lane-style meaningful access to the Courts within the meaning of the Due Process Clause:

    “IT IS OUR MEDICAL OPINION THAT DUE TO MARY PETRANO’S MULTIPLE MEDICAL CONDITIONS SHE MUST USE VOICE RECOGNITION ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY WITH ELECTRONIC INTERNET FILING AND SERVICE OF PROCESS OF PLEADING CASES, DOCUMENTS, NOTICES, FORMS AND CORRESPONDENCE OR OTHER COMMUNICATIONS (“PLEADINGS”) IN ALL RESPECTS, FOR SENDING AND RECEIVING ALL PLEADINGS, IN ORDER TO BE FUNCTIONAL IN HER DAILY ACTIVITIES OF LIFE, HER WORK, WITH ACCESS TO THE COURTS, JUDICIAL BRANCH, AND LAWYERS.”

    S/ ASHRAF HANNA, M.D.

    There is no such electronic internet format access as required above in ANY of the following courts in which MKDP has attempted to litigate without being afforded meaningful access — nor has SPQR demonstrated such above-required meaningful access exists in any one of those courts:

    1. calbar;
    2. casupreme;
    3. fbbe;
    4. flsupreme;
    5. 9th Cir (but it is coming SOON!);
    6. 11th Cir;
    7. US Supreme.

    It is the same in other lower and intermediate appellate courts in California and Florida — ALL designed ONLY for people who have the ability to use PAPER. That is, NOT disabled Americans with autism.

    One would think that BEFORE SPQR whined and complained, his Highness the lawyer would have found and linked to whatever existing court system there is in which MKDP would have been able to achieve meaningful access to effectively communicate a lawsuit in order for there to be any remotely credible basis for SPQR’s pull-it-out-of-hot-air defamatory statement MKDP “threatened” anyone by mentioning the dreaded words “Americans With Disabilities Act.”

    How many persons with autism who use PAPERLESS electronic Internet formats are there? About 1:155 Americans with autism.

    Aren’t persons with autism entitled to meaningful court access just like every other American?

    No, not according to SPQR and the “old” AARP lawyer contingent. He would rather level child truant officer-esque retaliation of the type at issue in Weixel v. NYC Bd. of Educ., 287 F.3d 138 (2d Cir, 2002) at anyone who would dare mentions the dreaded “Americans With Disabilities Act” word, where ALA Weixel-style the angry, hostile Americans With Disabilities Act-Rehab Act-hating truant officers initiated an actual criminal prosecution on the victim in response to their ADA protected activities requesting reasonable accommodations.

    In sum, SPQR’s new Libertarian mantra is:
    Americans With Disabilities Act reasonable accommodations request = “a threat”

    Watch out all you disabled Americans thinking of filling out a Calif. R. Ct. 1.100 (formerly 989.3) reasonable accommodations form like I already did …

    SPQR and his aged lawyer-ilk are gonna put YOU on one of his Black “threat” Lists and ruin your life!

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  549. SPQR,
    “Petrano, evident to anyone who is competent. Demanding a copy of a medical insurance policy is a threat to sue. A frivolous threat by you.

    Why don’ you go report yourself to the disciplinary board?

    Comment by SPQR — 7/3/2008 @ 2:16 pm”

    Why, SPQR? YOU made a medical diagnosis of my autism. In the State of Florida where you have purposely availed yourself by directing your uninvited professional medical diagnosis of my autism w/o my informed consent, you ARE required to provide a medical insurance liability policy when requested. Such request is not defined under Fla. Stat. as a “threat.”

    I have so requested your policy pursuant to me legal right under the Fla. Stats.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  550. Opps, another vision impairment typo, corr:
    “Weixel v. NYC Bd. of Educ., 287 F.3d 138 (2d Cir, 2002)” = Weixel v. NYC Bd. of Educ., 287 F.3d 138 (2d Cir. 2002)

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  551. MKDP, what a large load of tripe. I’ve written nothing at all about the many things you falsely attribute to me. Your dishonesty is now manifest as well. We can see that you are into quite a bit of fantasy and invention.

    As for your disabilities, that is pretty funny considering you’ve demonstrated the ability to assemble the above lines in less than a half hour.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  552. MKDP, no you have no legal right to demand an insurance policy number from me. Your legal theories are hilarious.

    Report yourself to the disciplinary board for malpractice for your own advice to yourself, Petrano.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  553. SPQR,
    It is apparent you have offered uninvited medical psychological diagnosis of my wife into the State of Florida. It is also evident you now provide my wife your legal opinion of Florida law related to her request for your professional liability insurance information for that of being either a medical doctor and/or licensed attorney.

    At this juncture, do you care to rescind your medical and legal opinions you proffered to my wife? Moreover, are you a judge? if so, please provide the Code of Judicial Conduct you are subject to.

    David F. Petrano, Esq (e11b86)

  554. Gosh, David. You are tedious. Don’t you have a real case that needs some attention??

    Vic Trola (42a5df)

  555. Petrano/MDKP, ROFL.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  556. MKDP and David – Why are you here soliciting comments on your various maladies, afflictions, disabilities, legal theories, etc., etc.?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  557. SPQR, did you make THIS Americans With Disabilities Act IGNORANT assertion while keeping a straight face?:

    “As for your disabilities, that is pretty funny considering you’ve demonstrated the ability to assemble the above lines in less than a half
    hour.”

    I guess you would say the same nonsense version of YOUR interpretation of U.S. Americans With Disabilities Act to THIS disabled American as well:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/20/blind.law.clerk/

    Did anyone ever consider in the realm of A/B/C/D style thinking that certain disabled people use MACHINES (computers equipped with with assistive technologies) to meet the time constraints of the tasks of “assembling … lines in a half hour?”

    Like wheelchair users THAT does not mean the person is not disabled.

    I guess if a wheelchair user were to magically appear sitting in his/her wheelchair in a courtroom, you would assume that person did not need ramps to arrive there.

    Didn’t the Supreme Court already reject your “look at the outcome only” formula (that it would be okay for Lane to be carried up the stairs by the bailiffs rather than have ramps to arrive sitting in his wheelchair in the courtroom) in Tennessee v. Lane?

    What other utter nonsense are you going to spout-off today for our reading enjoyment, SPQR?

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  558. “It is apparent you have offered uninvited medical psychological diagnosis of my wife into the State of Florida.”

    David – Didn’t SPQR transmit something to a blog in California? The idea that it is a medical pschological diagnosis is ridiculous. Have those threats or claims worked out for you on the other blogs you have tried them?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  559. “Why are you here soliciting comments”

    I am not “soliciting” anything. Are you? I am simply enjoying the debate. Apparently, after doing THE BIG SMEAR on me, you-all don’t like the fact I’m still here.

    MKDP (1ac0dc)

  560. “Admiralty jurisdiction = SCOTUS original jurisdiction”

    Please cite your legal authority for this.

    The Constitution. Maybe you’ve heard of it in that loony bin? (Specifically Article III, Section 2, Paragraph 1.)

    Please also provide your State of Atty licensure and Bar # since you are giving me legal advice over the Internet directed into the State of Florida about my admiralty case, Petranos v. Vessel Mistress currently on petition for cert at the Supreme Court.

    My atty# is 1-800-GO-FUCK-YOURSELF, and all rights under which are guaranteed by the First Amendment Right to tell a fucking whack-a-doodle that she is a fucking whack-a-doodle.

    Speaking of which, you are a fucking whack-a-doodle. (This is not a medical diagnosis. It is strictly a lay opinion, utterly protected against fucking whack-a-doodles (who are cordially invited to go spray Tabasco sauce in their own eyes as a means of pure entertainment) by the First Amendment Right To Tell fucking whack-a-doodles what they are. Truth is an ABSOLUTE defense against slander or libel, and I don’t have to be an attorney to know this.

    Hope this clears things up for you.

    Maroon comma whotta.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  561. dalyrocks,
    what’s your point? I’ve already made my point very clear.

    Given that tomorrow is the 4th, I shall present you with the appropriate song:

    Sing to:
    I’m Proud to be an American Where at Least I know I’m Free

    Lunatics run the Asylum
    in the U.S.A.
    Seems we’ve lost our Freedom
    since they murdered JFK
    And if you stand up they’ll profile you as threatening their way!
    ‘Cause lunatics run the Asylum
    in the U.S.A.

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  562. “Please provide your State of medical licensure, type of medical license, and license #.”

    MKDP – Please provide the names and specialties of all your current health care providers as well the medications you currently take. I want to do my best to avoid them.

    Thank you in advance.

    p.s. – You might want to tone down the anger a little for the benefit of all those government people listening in.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  563. Sue me, please. You both are nuttier than shithouse rats. Good Allah, I love you 2. the specil brand of krazy you bring to the table is so far beyond parody and pharmaceuticals that words cannot do them justice.

    JD (5f0e11)

  564. Mary Kate and David – One of you two has got to be related to Ron Paul. I just feel it in my bones. I’m guessing it’s Mary Kate – she’s got that Charles Manson bugfuck nuts feel to her comments, just like Ron Paul’s speeches and writing.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  565. Dalyrocks,
    my relatives come from Mt. Petrano, Italy. Mary Katherine Day’s relatives come from Dublin, Ireland. We don’t know much about Ron Paul and he is no relative.

    David F. Petrano (1ac0dc)

  566. Apparently, after doing THE BIG SMEAR on me, you-all don’t like the fact I’m still here.

    Mary Kate – Those were your own words. Are you saying you smeared yourself? How does that work?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  567. Watch out, folks. David Esq went ALL CAPS on us !

    JD (5f0e11)

  568. my relatives come from Mt. Petrano, Italy.

    Got nothing but rocks named after you, eh? Boy, I bet you’re proud… Lucky that your ancestors had more sense than you’ve displayed so far.

    Mary Katherine Day’s relatives come from Dublin, Ireland

    Even Ireland didn’t want the clan, I see. Can’t really blame them – ‘Nuttier than squirrel shit’ was thought to be contagious back then…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  569. Funny how people claiming to be lawyers would not know what the Constitution actually says, innit? I would be asking YOUR Bar #, but I have the mental image of Beldar Conehead being asked his SS# by Sinbad…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  570. As stated previously, those two wonders of evolution could not get an a/b/d/e question right if you spotted them the a, b, c, and d. Step away from Black Beauty. I picture mkdp riding into Court looking like one of the Royal Canadian mounties. David is just aggressively pretentious with that whole Esp thing. Just so we are clear, I am mocking you.

    Here is my medical diagnosis – crazier than Britney during a breakdown.

    Here is my legal opinion – crazier than Manson on acid.

    Watch out for those fireworks the next couple nights. It is clearly a diversion so the frogmen, Ann, and the snipers can invade your perimeter.

    JD (5f0e11)

  571. Neigh. neigh. Whinny, whinny. Could you please leave me alone?! What’s a horse got to do to get a little shut-eye?

    Big Brown (5f0e11)

  572. ROTFL

    TLove (4a03a6)

  573. Thank God I do not have to have any more nightmares about those two. Oh, the stories we heard around the paddock would curl your toes (and not in the way that your toes curl when you are popping your cork).

    Eight Belles (5f0e11)

  574. Sweet Jesu… Ok, I know I said I was quitting, but these whack-jobs are just too tempting. I’ll stick around this thread, just because they make me laugh.

    So, without further adeu…

    I have five disc bulges in my spine, a broken foot, a meniscus tear in my other knee, a dislocated uterus from the seat restraint breaking in the last rear-end motor vehicle accidentI was in, and autism: I have a great deal of difficulty simply walking in the absence of being able to ride aboard my now injured equine disability service horse

    See, I’ve been on a horse, lady, and while I have bits you don’t, some of the fundimentals of the human body remain. The section I bolded makes me thing “Jesus H. Christ, that has GOT to make riding a horse a painful experiance…”

    Even the smoothest-gated horse is rougher on the spine than walking. You see, the human body was MADE to walk. Your legs are shock absorbers, cushioning and absorbing the force of motion. Riding on the back of any animal utterly negates that design advantage.

    The above is not a medical diagnosis, simply a logical deduction based on textbook knowledge of the human body.

    So go fuck yourself.

    Why, SPQR? YOU made a medical diagnosis of my autism.

    Such a diagnosis is redundant, due to the fact that you have repeatedly informed us of your autism. Even absent that, the numerous possible causes of “incompetence” means that autism need not even play a factor in the rendered opinion.

    I believe the common beliefe is that you’re a fucking moron lacking the logic skills of a small rock.

    A really stupid small rock.

    I have so requested your policy pursuant to me legal right under the Fla. Stats.

    Unless you can prove that SPQR lives in FL, you and your state statutes can go fuck themselves in the ear. With a very pointed dildo.

    The above is not a threat, mearly a a well-intended suggestion.

    You both go on, and on, and on, and on and these wild plots against you, such as a commenter downing one PC with a virus but not another on the same network, a Circuit Judge and/or a clerk being inolved in the government planned 9/11 attacks, and shots being fired at you.

    Seriously, are you off your meds? Are you SURE you’re taking the full dose, and not accidentially skipping the evening dose?

    I ask because JESUS you people act like folks I met while working security in the psyc ward.

    Hell, at least some of those people KNEW they were nuts. They at least would admit it.

    Also, do you know the kind of force required to break a seatbelt? DO you have ANY idea as to the physics involved?

    I’ll put it to you like this: How extensive was the damage to your face and rubs?

    Answer that one simple question, and I’ll know just how out there you are.

    btw, you two, I think you are both utterly and completely insane. Fucking gone. Out there. Wacked-the-fuck-out.

    Go ahead. Threaten me with a lawsuit. Ask for personal information.

    Neither of you have the stones to even think about following through. Maybe people on the street or in a boardroom are intimidated by your bullying and threats of litigation, but even as a layman, I’m more than knowledgeable enough to know you are without grounds, and thus you are simply as I said: bullies.

    And people like you? You’re the worst kind of bulliest alive.

    I don’t care for bullies, and frankly I hardly consider you worth my notice. You are quite litterally beneath my capacity for contempt. You are scum at best. I comment towards you simply because I smile as I type, because mocking you brings me joy.

    Mock. Mock. Mock.

    Now just shut up like the ignorant trolls you are.

    You bunch of fuckwds…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  575. I think I’m going to sue Petrano/MKDP for the injuries I suffered rolling on the floor laughing.

    Oh, my ribs, my ribs …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  576. “Mock. Mock. Mock.”

    What, did a Petrano flick your bic? And I’M the one who usually gets called a “Turing Machine set to: Verbose Mode Maximum,” but YOU got me beat in that regard by a Big Brown mile.

    You know what horse trainers like to do with the long-winded ones indicative of your last post: let out the lunge line, let you run yourself out in circles going around and around until you’re too tired to run another lick. Then we sip our beer, shake our heads in disbelief, and just laugh.

    Your over-reaction tells it all — A Petrano flicked your bic … Mr. Petrano, no doubt, with his “HOW CONVEEEENIENT!!!!!” post # 534 (while I was sleeeping). Incredible.

    And SPQR forgot to answer DFP’s question whether he is a Judge … after SPQR was a-sitting around apparently counting key logging keystrokes on his stop-watch while opining how my written speech is “incohereht” w/o my Dragon NaturallySpeaking device that got CIPAV’d because the keylogger don’t work with the DNS, dontchaknow.

    Otherwise, by deductive logic, why would SPQR have such a prurient interest in how fast I “assembled” a few “lines?”

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  577. My interest was not “prurient” at all. You need to learn how to use your thesaurus better.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  578. What, did a Petrano flick your bic?

    Hardly. Despite what my dating record indicates, I actually don’t prefer them to be insane…

    Buy me a few drinks though, and we’ll see what happens…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  579. And I’M the one who usually gets called a “Turing Machine

    You’re lying again. Turing Machines, by definition, show signs of intelligence so close to human that a reasonable person couldn’t tell the difference.

    Trust the room – all reasonable persons, and all of them seriously questioning your intelligence.

    Turing machine FAIL.

    Then we sip our beer

    And an alcoholic, to boot.

    Figures.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  580. I will reveal my methods for the benefit of the incompetent. Rather than having a stopwatch, I merely did a simple subtraction between two timestamps.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  581. Good Allah. I would literally plan a a vacation around watching the travelling circus side-show freak duo perform in Court. We were taking the boat out to watch fireworks earlier, and their paranoia followed me, and I thought some frogmen were trying to take over our boat. Turned out it was just some shadows. Then, a light went out near the dock. SNIPERS!!!!!!: I might as well go check out youtube as see if I can find David Esq giving Alydar a handjob.

    JD (5f0e11)

  582. SPQR – Clearly substraction qualifies as a prurient interest. Don’t you feel kind of icky having a prurient interest in the whackadoodle duo ?

    JD (5f0e11)

  583. Out of the left side of his mouth, SPQR says MKDP is “too disabled”: “I will reveal my methods for the benefit of the incompetent”

    While out of the right side of his mouth, SPQR says MKDP is “not disabled enough”: “As for your disabilities, that is pretty funny considering you’ve demonstrated the ability to assemble the above lines in less than a half hour.”

    So what is it, SPQR?

    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    etc etc etc

    Your double-speak is enough to make a rational person’s head spin.

    Very Orwellian.

    You sound like you are Judge K.

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  584. Out of the left side of his mouth, SPQR says MKDP is “too disabled”: “I will reveal my methods for the benefit of the incompetent”

    While out of the right side of his mouth, SPQR says MKDP is “not disabled enough”: “As for your disabilities, that is pretty funny considering you’ve demonstrated the ability to assemble the above lines in less than a half hour.”

    So what is it, SPQR?

    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    ‘MKDP is too disabled.’
    ‘MKDP is not disabled enough.’
    etc etc etc

    Your double-speak is enough to make a rational person’s head spin.

    Very Orwellian.

    You sound like Judge K.

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  585. oooppsis. a double postsis. my apologies.

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  586. MKDP, there is no double-speak, your incompetence is of the ordinary, non-ADA qualifying kind.

    As a friend of mine says, stupidity should hurt more.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  587. “incompetent” =/= “too disabled”, nor does it preclude you being a fucking whack-a-doodle.

    You should be ashamed to show your clock-stopper after being embarrassed by a layman about what the Constitution says.

    By the way, duck.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  588. Drumwaster, you mean you are unconvinced by their assertions that Florida’s professional regulation and ADA trump the First Amendment of the Constitution?

    Just because there are Supreme Court cases already on point on the issue can’t discourage the truly creative whack-a-doodle.

    It is a shame that they solicit ridicule. It almost makes me feel bad.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  589. Really, the one that I thought was in really bad taste was the painted-over-road-kill one HERE:

    http://patterico.com/2008/06/23/the-material-from-judge-kozinskis-websiteserver-part-two-including-videos/

    Shows a high disregard for life, for people to whom the victim may have been beloved, and for those who are vulnerable. In my estimation, such mindset is where the hostility toward disabled Americans comes from.

    Moreover, those who are highly analytical “little professors” as autistic savants are known, would find Kosinski’s “Proof that girls are evil” HERE:

    http://patterico.com/2008/06/23/the-material-from-judge-kozinskis-websiteserver-part-two-including-videos/

    remarkably similar to the DOJ/FBI domestic terrorist profiling of racial and other characteristics, such as autistic Americans, HERE:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/03/justice-department-consid_n_110625.html

    Orwellian.

    And, nutty, …

    like “AnnTM”.

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  590. Terrorist prosecution of autistic Americans?

    Just when I thought you couldn’t get any crazier. And citing HuffPo as your source? I’d be more likely to believe the messages gained from mixing the tiles in a Scrabble box.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  591. That is some really ridiculous logic.

    As for “Orwellian”, that reference does not mean what you think it means.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  592. “regulation and ADA trump the First Amendment of the Constitution?

    Just because there are Supreme Court cases already on point on the issue”

    Cite the case, please.

    Here’s one only a First Amendment guru will appreciate: I would imagine if an autistic American raised First Amendment effective communication DNS speech/petition rights enforced by the ADA, that would fall under the rubric of Goodman v. Georgia (2006) — unanimous.

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  593. Better Half is becoming concerned because I am laughing uncontrollably. I cannot even explain to her what I am laughing about. horse molesters. Certifiable loonwaffles.

    JD (5f0e11)

  594. First Amendment effective communication DNS speech/petition rights enforced by the ADA

    Nothing in the Bill of Rights is “enforced” by the ADA, and only someone in serious need of EST would try to assert otherwise.

    The ADA prohibits discrimination based on disability. The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law, etc….

    Unfortunately for you and the co-whack-a-doodle, Severe Stupidity is not a protected class under the ADA. And me calling the both of you fucking whack-a-doodles does not discriminate against either of you, so threatening me is only going to cause much mirth.

    So, have you quit raping large dogs? Answer yes or no, in accordance with Rules for Cross-Examination [Picard v the entity known as 'Q', 2346].

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  595. Making up case references now?

    Bus. Ted.

    {Much hilarity has been spread with your antics, Catherine the Not-So-Great, but we’re laughing AT you, not WITH you.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  596. “Making up case references now?”

    So, the Great-SPQR cites for his Great-First Amendment authority …

    ALL CASES EVER DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT.

    What, do I look like a gullible 1L you actually think would read every case looking for your proverbial needle-in-a-haystack?

    MKDP (bde6d1)

  597. The link goes to all cases for the Supreme Court for the 2006 term, in alphabetical order. Work your way to the “G”s. Find Goodman v. Georgia (2006) if you can.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  598. Well, that was more fun than I’m allowed in one day.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  599. MKDP,

    Goodman vs Georgia applies to public entities. It concerned whether a Georgia prison should be subject to money damages for failing to make accommodations for a paraplegic prisoner who was unable to use the toilet because his wheelchair was to large for his cell.

    This case was not a determination that the ADA “trumps” a Constitutional right. To the contrary, the 11th Circuit apparently ruled the prison’s failure to accommodate Goodman was a violation of both the Eighth Amendment and the ADA. Thus, I fail to see how it could be cited as authority for the principle that the ADA trumps the First Amendment.

    DRJ (a0ba79)

  600. Goodman v. Georgia was about a prisoner. Are you pretending to be a prisoner now? And I will remind you again that while stupid is indeed a disability, it isn’t one that the ADA can do a damned thing about.

    And you are Olympic-class stupid.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  601. SPQR – I think Mary Kate has an unhealthy obsession for you. She probably wants to put on her Catholic school girl outfit or something and self-immolate on her service horse while shouting “you hosers couldn’t pass an A/B/C/D logic test if you had all the answers in front of you. I am ADA woman hear me roar!!!!” Or something like that, I think. Perhaps, not.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  602. Drumwaster – Mary Kate is a prisoner, of her own mind, the U.S. Cout system which is biased against people with legitimate disabilities who passed the bar exam 16 years ago but can’t get licensed to practice law in certain states, and by the police state that Chimpy McKatrinaburton has turned this country into after the international joooish conspiracy faked 9/11 and he gave all the tax cuts to the rich and started a needless and illegal war for oil and put normal and law abiding citizens under constant surveillance and fear of sniper and loose mooring yacht attack.

    This country is so messed up we need some hope and change.

    daleyrocks (1cc55d)

  603. If stupid is a disability, the whack jobs are perm totals, and generations of Petranos will be swimming in pubic assistance dollars.

    JD (5f0e11)

  604. i confess to not reading every single word of the foregoing bullshit, but i had to laugh at #539, in which david petrano consented to admiralty jurisdiction over his wife’s dildo. as captain sparrow would say, aaarrrrgh.

    let’s review the bidding, as we say at the bridge table. mkdp has offered that she has trouble speaking, so she needs a special machine (allnaturaldragonsomething). she has also offered that she has trouble hearing unless she has her horsie with her. folks, this isn’t autism, this is awesome passive-aggression.

    imagine that you and i couldn’t understand each other without benefit of machines or horsies, yet i was bent on bending you to my will by marathon litigation and blogposting. i’d be sitting there atop my service horsie with drool flecking down the corners of my mouth as i watched you accommodate yourselves to my communications modality, knowing that forcing a change in your style and habits is the first step toward enslaving you to my indomitable ego. i’d make up the most bizarre shit i could think of and spew it at you, knowing that you would address it and equilibrate with it. i would finally be worthy of the name “petrano”, which obviously means “pretending to be nuts and pimping it out for bux” in some foreign language i can’t quite put my finger on right now.

    assistant devil's advocate (a01bb7)

  605. “i’d be sitting there atop my service horsie with drool flecking down the corners of my mouth as i watched you accommodate yourselves to my communications modality, knowing that forcing a change in your style and habits is the first step toward enslaving you to my indomitable ego”

    Hooowww Libertarian. ‘We Libertarians don’t want anyone to tell us what to do, especially no Statists.’ Pleeaaaase.

    This soooo reminds me of the same argument I heard in Florida Bar Annual Meeting Diversity Committee when last year’s Bar President announced “White men need special preferences, and we don’t need more of that diversity stuff.” Pressed (by me) to explain, the Bar Prez admitted the REAL REASON for the hostility to going paperless all electronic formats was “because I just feel unconfortable using computers.” Your entire above Fa-La-La like daleyrocks above blah,blah,blah is no more or less than the same tired old argument.

    Dontchathink, devils advocate, in this modern era anyone who “feel uncomfortable using computers” lacks the ability to meet an essential function of law practice or Bench sitting?

    MKDP (8b35dc)

  606. DRJ WROTE:
    “MKDP,

    Goodman vs Georgia applies to public entities. It concerned whether a Georgia prison should be subject to money damages for failing to make accommodations for a paraplegic prisoner who was unable to use the toilet because his wheelchair was to large for his cell.

    This case was not a determination that the ADA ‘trumps’ a Constitutional right. To the contrary, the 11th Circuit apparently ruled the prison’s failure to accommodate Goodman was a violation of both the Eighth Amendment and the ADA. Thus, I fail to see how it could be cited as authority for the principle that the ADA trumps the First Amendment.”

    Hmmmm. An argument with a bit of razzamatazzy superficial appeal to the novice.

    DRJ, you conveniently left out the most important part in your first paragraph: The failure of the Title II public entity to make the accommodations subjected the prisoner to cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth Amendment. Like falling from his wheelchair when trying to land on the toilet the prison staff deliberately placed too low. Cell so small the prisoner could not turn his wheelchair around in it. Etc.

    While you are corrrect that Goodman was “not a determination that the ADA ‘trumps’ a Constitutional right,” what you fail to mention is THAT was not an issue raised in Goodman because Goodman sought to enforce his Constitutional right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment through the ADA; in otherwords, there (1.) the ADA was not brought to bear against another Constitutional right in conflict with the ADA, (2.) nor were there two Constitutional rights (one enforced through the ADA and one in conflict with the ADA) opposing one another requiring some form of balancing analysis.

    I did not “cite” Goodman v. Georgia “as authority for the principle that the ADA trumps the First Amendment;” you misquoted me.

    Instead you tried to twist around what the case stands for, in essence a bait and switch. Likewise, your take on it that “the 11th Circuit apparently ruled the prison’s failure to accommodate Goodman was a violation of both the Eighth Amendment and the ADA,” makes me wonder if you (2.) even read the case, and (2.) have ever dealt with the Eleventh Circuit with and ADA case. The Eleventh Circuit DENIED Goodman relief. The Supreme Court ruled the prison’s failure to accommodate Goodman was a violation of the Eighth Amendment Constitutional right as enforced by (through) Title II of the ADA.

    Thus, as I stated, Goodman more broadly stands for the proposition that there is no Eleventh Amendment immunity for a Title II public entity when an ADA plaintiff seeks to enforce a fundamental Constitutional right through Title II of the ADA. Some say Goodman narrowed Tennessee v. Lane somewhat, but, reading Lane’s discussion of the numerous fundamental Constitutional rights that intersect in the provision of Court services, with Goodman, it is pretty much clear that ANY fundamental Constitutional right may be enforced through Title II of the ADA. The First Amendment is a fundamental Constitutional right. Effective communication is protected First Amendment speech; it is also a requirement of Title II of the ADA. The First Amendment right to effectively communicate may be enforced through Title II of the ADA. How hard is that?

    What flicks the bic of the Libertarians who did in the Federal Courts WebSENSE firewall, however, is because in the U.S. Courts Design Guide and the U.S. Judicial Conference Communication Disability Auxiliary Aids and Services Policy, the Federal Courts adopted, incorporated, andmade applicable to all U.S. Federal Courts the ADA’s Title II ADAAG. Thus, essentially, Federal Courts have consented to suit ALA Tennessee v. Lane-style for violations of the ADA’s Title II ADAAG — including the spaces and elements.

    The most intersting question is whether the Federal Courts and/or GSA (landlord) violates the ADA Title II ADAAG when a nutty Sept. 10th 9-11 inspired Judge somewhere is misled by substandard factual matter provided by a run amok obsessed law student, law clerk, or sloppy FBI agent disregarding the FBI’s Rehab Act Sec. 508 obligations, and enters a CIPAV order whereby the ‘Trojan horse destroyer’ homes-in on a disabled American’s speech recognition computer prescribed as her medicine by her doctors which she was using to draft a Supreme Court cert Petition.

    MKDP (8b35dc)

  607. Actually re: post #615, I believe the GSA in that situation would violate Sec. 504 and/or 508 of the Rehab Act. And then there is the question of liability of whoever-the-heck is the contractor for the WebSENSE firewall disabled computer system from whence the suspect CIPAV speech recognition destroyer was launched.

    MKDP (8b35dc)

  608. My Centro has been acting kind of quirky the last few days, while just happens to coincide with mkdp’s increasingly paranoid rants. Coincidence? I think not. I almost ran out of gas this morning on the way to the donut store. I think that it is likely that a sniper and frogmen siphoned gas from my tank. Since I never had these issues prior to encountering the Petranos Esp it is safe to conclude that they are responsible.

    JD (5f0e11)

  609. Geez, what a thread.

    OK daleyrocks, JD, SPQR and Drumwaster: time to put your toys away.

    Paul (0ea0cf)

  610. I had a couple of clients like the Petranos. As a matter of fact, one of them went around on a horse and had a chain wrapped around his head to keep out mind-bending waves. Honest. In his case, I tried to get the Illinois courts to adopt the Bazelon rule for burglary in place of the Woodward rule but did not succeed.

    nk (16accd)

  611. Paul – We have tried, but they just will not quit us. There has to be some kind of Brokeback horse joke in there somewhere. Neigh, neigh, big fella’

    JD (a6d772)

  612. They could not catch me. Whew!

    Seatlle Slew (a6d772)

  613. The official decision to eliminate the WebSense firewall on September 10, 2001, stinks on ice far more than the demolition of WTC-7 or NORAD’s deliberate decision to not scramble the fighter jets onto the hijacked planes on route to NYC.

    As a consequence of the Ninth Circuit’s decision to eliminate the WebSense firewall, law clerks such as “AnnTM” of the Eleventh Circuit, freely engaged in untraceable, anonymous mischief on federal court computers to the extent one should ponder whether the “official” pornography explanation behind eliminating the WebSense firewall is smoke and mirrors to disguise something far more sinister.

    MKDP’s above posts clearly demonstrate how “AnnTM,” who admittedly opposes the ADA in all respects, used her federal firewall-free computer to incite imminent violence and threaten the lives of any disabled American who would dare raise legal issues in her court that could throw a wrench in our government’s systematic torture of prisoners and illegal surveillance on high-functioning autistic Americans exercising their rights under the ADA post-9/11 (including CIPAV attacks on MKDP’s speech recognition computers).

    Is the September 10, 2001, date of eliminating the WebSense firewall a mere coincidence?

    Admittedly, the concept of “coincidence” comes to play over numerous occurrences surrounding 9/11. To this end, it should be noted the Ninth Circuit and the Hell’s Angels have two things in common: (1) California; (2) everything they do is deliberately calculated to achieve a certain result. In sum, things that occur among these separate and distinct entities are NEVER left to chance, fate or coincidence.

    When Obama makes his Inauguration speech, he needs to invite an open door Congressional investigation into the 9/11 mass murder, including whether elimination of the WebSense firewall played any part in obstructing a meaningful investigation thereafter. Said investigation must flush-out whether any attempt has been made to hinder or otherwise obstruct lawful opposition over the biometric dragnet of innocent Americans now underway under POTUS-43’s June 05, 2008 Presidential Directive (a/k/a the October surprise”).

    David F. Petrano Esq (559321)

  614. POTUS-43’s June 05, 2008 Presidential Directive

    No such thing. (a/k/a “yet another Petrano is proven to be a liar and a moron”)

    (Oh, and when you trot out the “it’s a secret”, I will expect you to show that you have a clearance high enough to read “secret” Presidential Executive Orders, the need-to-know to have access to such Presidential Executive Orders and why you would feel that security agreements don’t apply to you.

    Further, I will expect to see your plans for turning yourself in for charges of treason for violating national security regulations.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  615. Great, 911 Troofer nonsense mixed into their existing looniness

    Petrano, MKDP’s posts do not “demonstrate” anything. They are a large collection of unsupported, unsupportable, illogical accusations.

    Not unlike yours … in fact, amazingly like yours.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  616. The idea that a web filter has any ADA significance at all is just completely ridiculous.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  617. Given that they type their little missives by the traditional “forehead typing” method so favored by those confined to straitjackets, “ridiculous” is above and beyond.

    They should feel honored to have rated that high.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  618. Man, that is special stuff. The Ninth Circuit, Hells Angels and 9/11. I don’t think the Petrano’s have figured out yet that a cipav virus is a run of the mill cimputer virus you can pick up anywhere, that it doesn’t have to be unleashed from the bowels of the federal court system and that it doesn’t only attack ADA devices. I even looked it through google because they were obsessing about it. It’s no big deal.

    I think David should start writing for Olbermann. It’s better than the stuff he’s already got.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  619. Evidently, if their dog has fleas, they were sent by “AnnTM” and are a violation of their constitutional rights.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  620. Hells Angels and 9/11 were a new twist. I didn’t know they had commercial pilots. You learn something new on the internet every day.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  621. The Spartans would have thrown these two into a mountain ravine a long, long time ago.

    nk (479e05)

  622. MKDP’s brief’s before AnnTM’s judge were chock-full of Convention Against Torture jurisprudence relative to the ADA. MKDP’s CAT/ADA line of reasoning did not rest well with those in robes intending to allow the Gitmo torture to run its course.

    Eliminating the federal court’s WebSense firewall made things SO CONVENIENT for those wackjobs like AnnTM of the 11th Circuit to deal with CAT/ADA litigants through the back door, as described in many of MKDP’s posts above (Backdoor = ANNTM’s incitement to imminent violence, true threats, stalking on and off the internet).

    The ANNTm blogs even indicate a Ninth Circuit law clerk may have ghost-written ANNM’s CAT opinions for the 11th Circuit. Care to review the particular post?

    David F. Petrano Esq (f0f673)

  623. “… chock-full of Convention Against Torture jurisprudence relative to the ADA. ”

    That’s pretty funny all by itself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  624. Bringin’ the thunder, David Petranos Esp. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Why can’t I quit you?!

    JD (75f5c3)

  625. …for violating national security regulations

    Have they been properly self-evaluated with input of disabled Americans as required pursuant to the Rehabilitation Act of 1973? I am quite certain the US Attorney Guidelines on Confidential Informants have not and thereby currently violate Federal disability anti-Discrimination law. When you find one group of agency activities or services in non-compliance, you really need to seek an audit of them all.

    Just wondering, because until I know if they have been properly disability anti-discrimination vetted, I cannot begin to tear apart your unsupported assertions.

    MKDP (26ea60)

  626. That’s a quote. By my count, you owe me $75.

    Pay up.

    Have they been properly self-evaluated with input of disabled Americans as required pursuant to the Rehabilitation Act of 1973?

    Not necessary. Are you saying disabled people are too stupid to understand what an oath of secrecy is? Or that they should – by dint of their “protected status” – receive a pass for violating national security regulations during a time of war?

    I cannot begin to tear apart your unsupported assertions.

    It was your fellow whack-a-doodle who made up a “Presidential Executive Order” that DOESN’T EXIST.

    Tear that apart, and smoke it.

    He’s a liar, you’re stupid, and you’re both no longer worth the time.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  627. So a bunch of my clients are waiting psychiatric evaluation at the lockup at Chicago-Read Mental Health Center.

    The sadist says: I wish we had a cat to torture while we are waiting.
    The rapist says: And after we tortured it we could rape it.
    The murderer says: And after we tortured it and raped it we could kill it.
    The necrophiliac says: And after we tortured it, raped it and killed it we could rape it again.
    The masochist says: Meeeow!

    nk (479e05)

  628. Not necessary. Are you saying disabled people are too stupid to understand what an oath of secrecy is? Or that they should – by dint of their ‘protected status’ – receive a pass for violating national security regulations during a time of war?

    The AUMF is limited. It did not contain any “preemption” aka total or partial repeal provision over “other federal laws.” The ADA has just such an express provision, 42 U.S.C. Sec. 12201(b), expressly superceding those “other federal laws” in conflict. As a result of the ADA being predicated on the Rehab Act, it would seem logical to interpret the Rehab Act harmoniously with the ADA, thusly at least impliedly repealing the AUMF for conflict with the Rehab Act as well. So, I say the self-eval IS necessary.

    And you REALLY got me laughing now with your secret secret hush hush argument about the June 5th Presidential FBI biometrics directive to profile categories of innocent Americans who are not even suspects, suspected terrorists, or suspected suspects of a suspected terrorist. Maybe you should tell the Washington Post it is all such a little hushie-secret, since THEY were the ones who let the cat out of the bag.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/05/AR2008070501831.html?wpisrc=newsletter

    Drummerboy, are you BOTH a Libertarian and an advocate for a Unitary Executive?

    MKDP (30a410)

  629. Pure entertainment.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  630. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a display of circular “logic”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  631. I’m sure there’s a bridge whose underside is missing her, but the Three Billy Goats Gruff will be along soon…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  632. It posted w/o my additional cite for new profiling activities:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/03/justice-department-consid_n_110625.html

    And Americans wonder WHY the economy is trashed and going bust in a free falling downward spiral. Once the word gets around innocent Americans are being profiled predicated on protected traits, e.g. being an autistic American with a Juris Doctorate who seeks attorney licensure (GOT TO KEEP THOSE ONES OUT, donchaknow), and the Uber-bar investigation-esque “preliminary domestic terrorism investigations” that are launched ban EVERYONE from doing business with the affected tainted person (no “material support,” even medicine, employment, UCC purchase/sale contracts, or lawyer advice, donchaknow), the American economy will be so upsidedown NO ONE WILL FEEL SAFE DOING BUSINESS WITH ANYONE!

    Otherwise known as a Free Market Crash ALA Great Depression that will make 1929 look like silly putty.

    MKDP (30a410)

  633. Yeah, the price of oil on the world market, weakening of securities markets due to the spread of financials based on mortgages as collateral, these have nothing to do with the economy. But your stalker fantasies, those are causing the economic weakness.

    ROFL.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  634. Oh, the Huff-Po. I couldn’t imagine a less biased source.

    steve miller (724340)

  635. Oh, wait, I forgot, there MIGHT be some Americans we will be able to identify are ABSOLUTELY SAFE from involving us in one of the new Presidential Directive suspected domestic terrorism investigations of a suspect of a suspected suspect. We will KNOW them when we SEE them, as the ABSOLUTELY SAFE ONES NOT “PERSONS OF INTEREST” will arrive in a black trench coat with one of the Abramoff-esque top hats, whispering “I’m 007.” Bearing an “FBI Approved Biometric.”

    MKDP (30a410)

  636. Seriously.

    Are you high?

    steve miller (724340)

  637. I couldn’t imagine a less biased source.

    I can think of at least two: DailyKos and MoveOn(dot)org. Democratic Underground also ranks (and I use that word advisedly) right up(down) there. Then there are the various “official” Democratic groups where they would no more acknowledge good news under a Republican Administration than eat their own liver.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  638. Guess I’m going to have to turn in my beige trenchcoat for the new issue black ones.

    How come no one informs me about the new uniform before all the conspiracy nuts find out first?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  639. They’re transmitting through the fillings this month. You should have turned yours back on again.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  640. That explains it, Drumwaster, I was waiting for the squirrels to drop off my monthly instructions again.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  641. How come my fillings don’t talk to me? How come squirrels don’t leave me messages?

    I feel so left out. =(

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  642. tlove – It is pure unadulterated krazy. Truly remarkable.

    JD (5f0e11)

  643. MKDP – Do you wear a wrist watch? If you do, I suggest you take it off IMMEDIATELY!!!!

    You thought it was a guy on a jetty listening to your conversations, but if you’re wearing a wrist watch, OMIGOD!!!!, what are you doing to yourself. You are just setting yourself up for eavesdropping. Plus the batteries in those things, you know how the government poisons people with the radiation from the batteries from wrist watches, don’t you?

    If you’re not wearing one, never mind, but check your toilet (head, you live on a boat, right) for listening devices. I suggest never using it. That is one of the government’s favorite places to plant eavesdropping equipment.

    Also, I suggest you stop talking to yourself. That should cut the chatter the government has to listen to by at least 50%.

    Remember, we’re here to help.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  644. SPQR Said:
    Yeah, the price of oil on the world market, weakening of securities markets due to the spread of financials based on mortgages as collateral, these have nothing to do with the economy. But your stalker fantasies, those are causing the economic weakness

    SPQR
    as usual, it is clear you cannot think outside the A/B/C/D box in which you likely earned your credentials. I will thus attempt to define the cause of the current economic disaster in simple A/B/C/D terms for you.

    The economy is trashed in large part because no American in their right mind would commit to purchasing a big-ticket item knowing the following:

    A) Potential consumers demanding stability in our federal courts are well aware our federal court employees waste an enormous amount of time playing on porn sites (thanks to Judge Kozinski’s decision to eliminate the WebSENSE firewall), to the extent I personally choose to LYSOL anything arriving in the mail from a federal courthouse.

    B) with all the illegal surveillance going on, no rational entrepreneur would commit to a big ticket item knowing his/her use of telephones or computers are illegally listened-in by FBI wack-jobs like Frank Doyle (the scum-bag who played a part in the planted bomb under Judy Bari) or DOJ’s Barry Sabin, Esq. (the genius who brought us the “Detroit Sleeper-Cell” case).

    C) Americans are aware if another 9/11 stunt is pulled-off, causing more economic chaos and illegal surveillance, the official investigation will again be “closed-door” thereby blaming the culpret on some mystery man living in a cave supposedly undergoing dialysis on a daily basis by sophisticated machines that cannot operate absent being connected to the WEB.

    D) Global Warming. Who the hell wants to commit to a big ticket item when it is projected that 30 years from now America’s coastal cities will be likely be under H2O.

    DEAL WITH IT.

    David F. Petrano Esq (5bcddf)

  645. Who are these federal employees wasting an enormous time on porn sites, and how do I get that job?

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  646. Kidney dialysis machines operate via the internet?

    Thank you, David. I did not know that.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  647. Can AnnTM send nasty comments into my body while I’m having my blood cleansed? I’m not sure I want to risk something like that.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  648. Petrano, I’m afraid I am unable to deal with your bizarro world. I prefer to stay in actual reality.

    The reality where economics deal in fundamentals having absolutely nothing to do with your whacky conspiracy fantasies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  649. Who are these federal employees wasting an enormous time on porn sites, and how do I get that job?

    TLove – I hear that puts you off your game after a while. You know, too much of a good thing. If you get the job though, don’t send me your cleaning bill.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  650. Yeah, daleyrocks, that line about dialysis needing connection to the internet was pretty hilarious.

    Must mean that dialysis did not exist before then, eh? More reality that just does not play well with the Petrano fantasies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  651. Just when you think you have reached the summit, the Mt. Everest of lunacy, Petranos Esp and the Horse Molester come along dispel that notion. I am going to buy stock in psychotropic pharmceuticals if they ever say they have a doctor’s appt. Never mind, the doctor would obviously be the one to inject radiation or homing devices.

    JD (5f0e11)

  652. Good Lord, I can’t believe this thread is still going.

    Paul (0ea0cf)

  653. Okay, I’ll start…

    Knock, knock.

    {waits patiently}

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  654. Orange.

    JD (5f0e11)

  655. The Illuminati!

    Pablo (99243e)

  656. SPQR,
    I suppose you think “Public Enemy No.1″ A/K/A Osama is staying alive on some dialysis machine requiring spare parts and filtration devices that no longer exist, as if he operates his machine like the Cubans keep those pre-Castro Chevys going.

    Fact is, if the FEDS wanted Osama, they could easily trace him via the D-machine and/or the spare parts and disposible filtration devices.

    Fact is, Osama as the 9/11 culpret is smoke and mirrors just like the “pornography” excuse is S&M for eliminating the WebSense firewall (although I believe the LYSOL I use on incoming federal mail has not been wasted).

    David F. Petrano Esq (5bcddf)

  657. Petrano, the exact ailment that bin Laden supposedly suffers from is up for debate. But now that you’ve abandoned the claim that bin Laden’s dialysis must be supported by internet access, I’ll point out to you that there are field expedient methods of dialysis if he needs them. Go look up peritoneal dialysis if you want to be informed.

    Your view of what is “fact” is most amusing. Have you considered writing Sci Fi?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  658. I suppose you think “Public Enemy No.1″ A/K/A Osama is staying alive on some dialysis machine

    I happen to think nothing of the sort. I think what is left of Osama is currently smeared and seared along the back wall of a cavern deep inside a cave in Tora Bora.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  659. Seriously.

    Are you high?

    There we go again, making fun of autistic satire. The Founding Fathers just couldn’t let Benjamin Franklin write any if his autistic satire into the Declaration of Independenc, either. Party poopers.

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  660. corr:
    “if” = of

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  661. Drumwaster, I was waiting for the squirrels to drop off my monthly instructions again.

    Would those be pet DARPA squirrels? I suppose they talk to you, too.

    daleyrocks, I don’t wear a watch; I have both a 100% photographic memory and an almost quartz-clock perfect circadian rhythm.

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  662. No, you stupid bint, he’s making fun of YOU. Unless you claim to represent every single person in the western hemisphere (and I will want proof of this), you have no right to be offended on behalf of all autistics everywhere, especially when I’m sure that many of them would also agree that you are a fucking whack-a-doodle with both paranoid delusions and behavioral tendencies that would make anyone seeing you on the street take a long careful step away.

    So suck it up, realize that most of the insults are because you are a bullying asshat who deserves to get slapped by anyone within reach every time you try to play the victim.

    The Founding Fathers just couldn’t let Benjamin Franklin write any if his autistic satire into the Declaration of Independenc, either.

    This would probably have made more sense if Franklin had any substantive input, but since the draft was in Jefferson’s hands almost every moment from when they were told to start writing until it was handed back to the Continental Congress, it isn’t, therefore it doesn’t. (I know, big surprise (yawn), but there it is.)

    Over the next week, it was Congress, not Franklin that made any changes (mostly deleting text that Jefferson had written).

    And there is no evidence that Benjamin Franklin was autistic.

    I hope it hurts being that stupid. You deserve it. The rest of us have to suffer from it, and fair’s fair.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  663. None of the Petrano’s behavior for which he/she/they/it are being ridiculed has anything to do with any real autism.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  664. I think it would be fun to go to court against these two idiots. Job one would be to subpoena any doctors who gave them disability letters. Job two would be destriying those doctors in depositions and on the stand. Job three would be attaching the two idiots’ assets for attorneys’ fees and costs. Job four would be revoking the idiots’ disability benefits. Job five would be revoking the doctors’ medical licenses.

    nk (479e05)

  665. Is psychosis a disability?

    Pablo (99243e)

  666. No, actually nk, it is very frustrating to try a case against people as loony as these two. Usually judges are annoyingly solicitatious of nuts like this, giving them excessive freedom to present irrelevant arguments, disorganized and irrelevant evidence and general disruption.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  667. Drummerboy, you suffer from autism too?

    but since the draft was in Jefferson’s hands

    Jefferson was autistic, too. I guess the Founding autistics were such visionaries about how government should be structured to protect American Freedom, that’s why it is only proper to adhere to Original Intent.

    and I will want proof

    Oh, you always WANT PROOF! Do you want proof after you download some porn that you had real sex, too? Or do you just ask your Bobblehead doll for the odds?

    Petrano, the exact ailment that bin Laden supposedly suffers from is up for debate. But now that you’ve abandoned the claim that bin Laden’s dialysis must be supported by internet access, I’ll point out to you that there are field expedient methods of dialysis if he needs them.

    I didn’t see where he abandoned his Web-based dialysis claim. But your comments do raise an interesting dilemma. If DFP is right, it should take a Google second to find bin Laden via his Internet dialysis location.

    However, if YOU are right, then bin Laden is wandering around freely untethered from his dialysis Internet leadrope. And, if we believe the legend, then bin Laden is freely traveling around those highly inaccessible rocky caves on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, traveling the only apparent way possible, by horse, camel, or donkey. I can only imagine, if riding with my disabilities is the subject of commentary, how difficult and painful it would be for bin Laden to ride a horse around a bunch of trecherous mountainous trails WITH KIDNEY DISEASE REQUIRING DIALYSIS!

    Not to fear, however: All will not be lost if SPQR causes DFP’s theory bin Laden can be tracked and hauled out of a hole-in-the-ground like Sadaam via his dialysis machine Internet location to fail — all anyone will need do to track and rout him out in that event, is TRACK THE OATS!!

    Neigh neigh whinny whinny.

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  668. No, actually nk, it is very frustrating to try a case against people as loony as these two. Usually judges are annoyingly solicitatious of nuts like this, giving them excessive freedom to present irrelevant arguments, disorganized and irrelevant evidence and general disruption

    SPQR, this is a BLOG, not a Court! Or did you forget to take your robes off before playing on the blog from your Federal Court computers?

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  669. I would also subpoena their ISPs and attach their computers. These comments do not seem to me to be those of disabled people.

    nk (479e05)

  670. MKDP, you evidently don’t “get it”. Dialysis does not require an internet connection. The habit that you have in your alter egos Petrano of making up stuff is quite hilarious.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  671. nk, now you see how it is that people who tire of them quickly enjoy suggesting that they’ve sent spyware to their computers to get them to spend a week or two boiling their keyboards.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  672. FIRST, the odds wager the Petranos ARE DISABLED:

    Just when you think you have reached the summit, the Mt. Everest of lunacy, Petranos Esp and the Horse Molester come along dispel that notion. I am going to buy stock in psychotropic pharmceuticals if they ever say they have a doctor’s appt. Never mind, the doctor would obviously be the one to inject radiation or homing devices.

    THEN A FLIP-FLOP: (Verbose prolix stream of conciousness threat that, on translation) states Petranos are NOT DISABLED:

    I think it would be fun to go to court against these two idiots. Job one would be to subpoena any doctors who gave them disability letters. Job two would be destriying those doctors in depositions and on the stand. Job three would be attaching the two idiots’ assets for attorneys’ fees and costs. Job four would be revoking the idiots’ disability benefits. Job five would be revoking the doctors’ medical licenses.

    What is it?
    Petranos are DISABLED.
    Petranos are NOT DISABLED.
    Petranos are DISABLED.
    Petranos are NOT DISABLED.
    Petranos are DISABLED.
    Petranos are NOT DISABLED.
    etc etc etc

    But the robed one who wins the Prize is:

    Honorable James D. Whittemore who after refusing my numerous requests for vision-related special accommodations, in an admiralty hearing, pointed and excitedly uttered:

    “Are you blind?”

    MKDP (1e58aa)

  673. Dammit, SPQR, I was almost finished with my Ebola transfer through the 3-D transporter being developed in extreme secrecy at Xerox PARC (so that the government can make things look like an … accident), and you had to go and spoil it all!

    At least I got their BIOS infected so that the computer will cause the lights to flicker in exact synchronization with Pulsar 26587G in the Crab Nebula.

    (Our new alien overlords, who just LOVE the taste of autistic whack-a-doodles, will be mightily pleased by my partial success.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  674. MKDP, on the question of your supposed disability: again, you don’t get it. We don’t care if you are or you are not.

    Repeat after me: We don’t care.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  675. FIRST, the odds wager the Petranos ARE DISABLED:

    Not unless psychosis is a disability. Is it? If so, I’m fairly certain that you qualify.

    BTW, you’ll note that those quotes were made by two different people, which hardly constitutes a flip flop. But let’s clear this all up, once and for all. Is psychosis a disability? And has your doctor sufficiently documented yours?

    Pablo (99243e)

  676. Uh oh. I think I just flip flopped SPQR. We should maybe have policy meetings or something.

    Pablo (99243e)

  677. It is OK, Pablo, if you want to pretend to care.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  678. Dammit, SPQR, I was almost finished with my Ebola transfer through the 3-D transporter being developed in extreme secrecy at Xerox PARC (so that the government can make things look like an … accident), and you had to go and spoil it all!

    Absolutely true. I googled it.

    Pablo (99243e)

  679. SPQR, I entertain easily.

    Pablo (99243e)

  680. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  681. Yep, DRJ, these two are rather famous loons and are known for repeatedly cut and pasting the same bizarre material regardless of its irrelevance.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  682. mkdp and Petranos Esp – By responding to my comments, you have engaged an insidious virus designed to infect all electrical components of anyone claiming to be disabled. This program transmits your IP address for all to see, and records your keystrokes. We are working on it being able to record audio. We are watching you. We have called off the snipers and frogmen, due to your paranoia, you were getting too close. Big Brown’s love spunk is too valuable for you to use it as a conditioner.

    JD (5f0e11)

  683. SPQR,

    It was my impression that our visitors typically post under their names or initials. I was not aware they also post anonymously as persons residing in different states, with comments suggesting they are not related.

    Of course, maybe I just haven’t read enough websites or perhaps my link involves different persons. Mevertheless, I was struck not only by the similarities to the comments here but also by the tag team effect from apparently unrelated commenters.

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  684. DRJ – I’ve seen them pull that act you noted in your link at other blogs now that I’ve taken a little time to figure out who the heck they are since they’ve infested this place. People usually bust them on the fake give and take after a couple of rounds of comments and Mary Kate can’t resist throwing autism and the ADA in at some point.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  685. DRJ – I think the basic problem is that crazy people usually don’t recognize that they are crazy. They seem harmless compared to Cyrus.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  686. MKDP, you evidently don’t “get it”. Dialysis does not require an internet connection. The habit that you have in your alter egos Petrano of making up stuff is quite hilarious

    SPQR, I *got it.* But your comment really proves nothing of significance. That is because even if DFP is wrong about bin Laden’s dialysis machine being connected to the Internet, meaning easy to trace his location, I pointed out there are OTHER ways to easily accomplish tracking his location. Namely, if he is not wired to the Internet, he is (as we are told) moving around the mountains on horseback. Horses require hay and grain shipments, farriers appx. every 4 weeks, veterinarians at least every three months, and equipment known as tack to enable a rider to engage in riding. Thus, even if bin Laden is not chained by his dialysis machine to the Internet, he IS hooked to several suppliers that can be traced to his location via his horse. I think YOU did not *get it.* You would rather call me names like a “loon.”

    initials. I was not aware they also post anonymously as persons residing in different states, with comments suggesting they are not related.

    DRJ, you make generalizations in your workup to argument? Perhaps you would do better undertaking an analysis of the blog-specific accessibility features. The blog you reference has a random location generator that is completely inaccessible to most disabled Americans, and randomly generates an involuntary different location on a daily or hourly basis. So what do such features lead you to conclude, did you say?

    Further, if you read enough of that particular blog, you would know I was cyberstalked, death threated, references made to a particular case and defendant, following which the defendant drove past my home numerous times physically stalking me. When incitement to imminent violence and true threats are being made against me that others have acted on, I don’t sit around advertising my name and where to find me. But I have always provided my real true name when and if asked. Likewise, I don’t “play tag team,” as you assume. Sometimes I am at a different place than my husband, and happen upon one of his posts, then like anyone else, make a comment. And I have never suggested I am unrelated to my husband; most posters on the blog you reference already know we are married and constantly make comments about me when my husband makes a post.

    But since you express such intense obsessive interest in me, here’s one more private fact I am sure you will love: I am reprelled by garlic. Ask Eugene.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  687. I’ve mentioned before that our youngest son is autistic and, although he is low functioning, I recognize some of the autistic features MKDP mentions. One example is the internal clock. Our son can’t tell time but his internal clock is like a Swiss timepiece.

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  688. I don’t know if I’ve tuned into the methamphetamine channel here.

    Something is seriously wrong. It’s all English, but it makes no sense.

    steve miller (724340)

  689. MKDP, veterinarians? You think the CIA should track veterinarians? You do realize that people kept horses without veterinarians for millenia? And your belief that there would not be fodder for horses in the tribal regions of Pakistan will be news too. None of this changes that he/she/you as Petrano just invented “facts” for no reason.

    DRJ, I have a good friend with autistic sons of varying severity. I’ve not yet noticed a higher susceptibility to conspiracy nut theories among them but anything is possible.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  690. MDKP,

    I should have directed my comments to you directly and I apologize, but it seemed to me that your comments on the other website (which you apparently acknowledge) suggested that you and your husband were unrelated commenters. I accept your statement that the other commenters there knew of the relationship.

    In addition, I wouldn’t describe my interest in you as obsessive but I think I understand what it’s like to live with autism. Perhaps you could say I empathize.

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  691. MKDP, veterinarians? You think the CIA should track veterinarians? You do realize that people kept horses without veterinarians for millenia? And your belief that there would not be fodder for horses in the tribal regions of Pakistan will be news too.

    SPQR, have you seen bin Laden’s horses, and the way he rides? Videos are available on YouTube, last time I checked. His horses look like extremely valuable and expensive Akhal Tekes and he holds the reins like a horseman, although his heels come up too much placing him in a precarious position from which he would be catapulted over his horse’s head should his horse suddenly stop.

    I would find it very hard to believe such expensive horses would not be tended by a veterinarian. And a farrier. In fact, horses ridden on hard rocky mountainous terrain will shred their hoof walls and quickly go lame w/o proper shoing by a farrier.

    Moreover, the fact horses lacked veterinary case earlier in history means only they did not live long. Failing to properly worm horses to rid them of parasites they get from gazing where other animals have dropped fecal matter, causes potentially deadly colic, severe weight loss, and other damaging injuries. In addition, w/o innoculations, horses can easily get numerous viruses, such as West Nile Virus, Eastern and Western Encephalitis (Sleeping sickness), Potomic Fever, Strangles, Rabies, Rhinopneumonitis, Tetanus, etc. In sum, if bin Laden is riding expensive Akhal Tekes around the mountains, he is certainly supplying them with expert veterinary and farrier case on a regular basis.

    And, regarding your potentially silly idea there is “fodder for horses in the tribal regions of Pakistan,” are you sure? Do you really think our highly intellectual military commanders would not have read Xenophon’s “The Anabasis,” to determine that one of the quickest ways to smoke bin Laden out of the underground is to do as in The Anabasis — have the rear guard burn the horse feed fodder down to the dirt and rubble behind bin Laden’s entourage so once surround, they will have no retreat by horseback.

    If you have not read The Anabasis, I would highly recommend it, and also recommend Xenophon’s other books “Cavalry Commander” and the one on Horsemanship. Any good Jesuit University library should have a copy in either original Greek, or English translation.

    One more thing:

    None of this changes that he/she/you as Petrano just invented ‘facts’ for no reason.

    I don’t make up facts, and I am not a composite “Petrano” Shemale. It may distress you, but please know there is more than one Petrano.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  692. so once surround

    corr: so once surrounded

    DRJ, do you find in your experience it is common that people with autism are repelled by garlic? I am just wondering, because it is really a social handicap.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  693. Its only getting more weird.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  694. corr:
    “veterinary case” = veterinary care
    “expert veterinary and farrier case” = expert veterinary and farrier care

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  695. Its only getting more weird

    SPQR, did you ever consider, and I do mean this sincerely, that it is YOU who are “getting more weird”

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  696. MKDP – Perhaps you were not aware, but Bin Laden has switched to using animatronic horses for the very reasons you cite – to limit our ability to track him. We no longer can torture information about his location from veterinarians, track food supplies and medicines, and the other measures which you mentioned. Our satellites and other devices, however, are keeping a sharp watch out for any hint of “It’s A Small World” coming out of those mountains.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  697. SPQR said (regarding Osama):
    I’ll point out to you that there are field expedient methods of dialysis if he needs them. Go look up peritoneal dialysis if you want to be informed

    P/D WHILE SPENDING OVER 7 YEARS IN A FREGGIN’ CAVE?
    FYI, infection is the most common problem for people on PD. Improved catheter designs protect against the spread of bacteria, but peritonitis is still a common problem that sometimes makes continuing PD impossible.

    As I stated before, if the FEDS wanted Osama, they could trace him through his dialysis rig, including the cleansing solution required of P/D.

    On topic, the elimination of the WebSense firewall has also led to a serious erosion of public faith in our judiciary, even more than the public’s general dis-belief Osama was the true culpret behind 9/11.

    Deal with it, when ordinary folks learn the Chief Justice of the Ninth Circuit eliminated a firewall to watch porn in chambers, their stomach turns. Such nonsense has had a terrible effect on our economy because people are losing faith in our leaders to the extent no one wants to commit to a big ticket purchase short of porn producers who require video equipment to satisfy the demand for in-chamber porn.

    David F. Petrano Esq (4c203d)

  698. MKDP, uh, no. I’m not the one who is blaming all of the country’s economic ills on fantasies of being pursued by federal agents and having trojan horse programs in my computer.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  699. Petrano, actually that is not what you’ve said before. What you said before was that he could be tracked by the internet connection dialysis needed. See above.

    What you are trying now is to pretend you said something else in a failed attempt to retrieve the irretrievable – your credibility.

    And thanks for repeating the 911 Truther garbage, it only confirms our opinion of your lack of grasp on reality.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  700. O-Kay, SPQR, I’ll apologize. But the perception of “weirdness,” like her first cousin, “beauty,” is in the eyes of the beholder. And you only called me an ad-hominem “more weird” because I trounced your weak argument, and you had no comeback except tp call me names.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  701. corr: and you had no comeback except to call me names.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  702. SPQR,

    Spare me the attacks on my veracity. You are grasping at straws here, partner.

    I assume OSAMA is on home-care (home=cave) dialysis machine of sorts. Your P/D theory is wacked. Here is a link that demonstrates dialysis rigs used at home require constant communication with the manufacturer and/or lab to operate:http://www.homedialysis.org/learn/equipment/pd/

    David F. Petrano Esq (2054dd)

  703. DRJ, are you sure your son is low functioning? I have seen many assumed-to-be-low functioning autistics who turn out to demonstrate they have a lot of intelligent things to say if you give access to a computer. Some autistics can do this by keyboarding. Others need to speak it via oral communication to a speech recognition computer, because for some reason researchers are only beginning to study, humans orally spoke language before learning to write — and writing is a more complex language task than orally speaking. I believe in the context of learning disabilities, there is at least one excellent initial research study on this.

    MKDP (44d0ce)

  704. MKDP,

    I’m not a doctor and I don’t know specifically why you might react to garlic, but in my experience it is common for autistic individuals to have specific food likes, dislikes and preferences. I think it is due to hyperacute sensory issues, including heightened senses of taste and smell that result in sensitivity to specific foods.

    Thus, it doesn’t surprise me that you have an aversion to garlic and perhaps also to other pungent/intense foods. It might also be due to a food allergy since food allergies are more common in autistics I know.

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  705. MKDP,

    Like most autistics, our son is gifted in some areas and struggles in others. He has an unusual combination of low functioning abilities with a high IQ, but his medical issues aren’t solely related to autism. He also has complications from childhood meningitis and other serious infections. It will take time but he’s making progress and, as you touch on, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out he’s hyperlexic.

    Thank you for sharing your insights. I always benefit from hearing from other autistics because they have ‘walked the walk.’

    DRJ (d5bcc5)

  706. DRJ, fascinating your son as hyperlexia, and had meningitis. I had spinal meningitis around age 5 and almost died. I can still remember it, vividly. I probably also have hyperlexia.

    A standing joke around our vessel is about how my late Mom made me read incessantly all day every day virtually 24/7, and strictly limited my TV and movies. My husband has been trying to bring home as many DVDs as possible to give me the American culture I missed.

    MKDP (aaf0c6)

  707. FWIW – I have an autistic nephew and cousin. Their food quirks are the exact opposite as described above. They both prefer pungent and strong-flavored foods. They are also both some of the kindest, gentlest people one could ever hope to meet.

    And they are not the least bit crazy.

    JD (75f5c3)

  708. J.D. said:
    And they are not the least bit crazy.

    What’s “crazy” is the notion we expect people people to have confidence in our judiciary knowing pornography is viewed for pleasure in Ninth Circuit chambers as a result of eliminating a WebSense firewall specifically designed to prohibit such nonsense from occurring in the first place.

    No wonder why the economy is busted/tanked/kaput.

    David F. Petrano Esq (9898ec)

  709. confidence in our judiciary knowing pornography is viewed for pleasure in Ninth Circuit chambers

    You have evidence of this?

    So porn in why the economy continues to show growth?

    JD (75f5c3)

  710. Wow! So to fix the economy, all we have to do is prevent Federal Law clerks from viewing porn? If we only knew how important they were to the functioning of an economy.

    Either that, or you’re bugf*ck crazy.

    Show of hands?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  711. The ability of the Petranos Esp to define teh krazy is giggle inducing.

    JD (75f5c3)

  712. Put me down for the latter.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  713. Aye, on bugf*ck krazy.

    JD (75f5c3)

  714. JD,

    Our son is also kind and likes spicy foods. It’s odd how alike these kids can be.

    DRJ (8b9d41)

  715. DRJ – My cousin is severely autistic. He has some of the most endearing quirks to him – he loves Tina Turner, can remember the lyrics to practically any song he has ever heard, thinks spicy brown mustard is its own food group, and incessantly flirts with cute girls. Midwest winters really wear on his psyche, and his parents are actually considering moving to a more moderate climate as the grey winters really effect his mood badly.

    JD (75f5c3)

  716. The manifestations of autism cover a wide spectrum, ranging from individuals with severe impairments—who may be silent, mentally disabled, and locked into hand flapping and rocking—to less impaired individuals who may have active but distinctly odd social approaches, narrowly focused interests, and verbose, pedantic communication.

    So functional people with autism may present as “bugf*** crazy” and “bugf*** crazy” people can present as functional autistics. Ms. Day-Petrano, at what age were you diagnosed autistic?

    nk (479e05)

  717. Wait, that was a good question: Is psychosis a disability?

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  718. Drumwaster said:
    Wow! So to fix the economy, all we have to do is prevent Federal Law clerks from viewing porn? If we only knew how important they were to the functioning of an economy.

    The business of America is business. The foundation of business is built upon a judiciary the general public have full faith and confidence in. When ordinary Americans learn their judiciary view pornography w/i the walls of the courthouse to the extent our judges went to the trouble to eliminate the WebSense firewall altogether, public confidence in the judiciary drops to an all-time low.

    David F. Petrano Esq (e80e44)

  719. If you think the public (present loonwaffles excluded) has full faith and confidence in the judiciary in general or the Ninth Circus in particular, or that the lack thereof has anything to do with pr0n, your connection to reality is nonexistent.

    Pablo (99243e)

  720. I have faith in the judiciary and the 9th circuit in particular.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  721. When ordinary Americans learn their judiciary view pornography w/i the walls of the courthouse to the extent our judges went to the trouble to eliminate the WebSense firewall altogether, public confidence in the judiciary drops to an all-time low.

    Argument by assertion and repitition does not make it any more true.

    I have full faith in tlove’s role playing ;-)

    JD (75f5c3)

  722. Given that other nations are also suffering from economic slowdowns, I’m curious exactly which … oh, say British judges are watching porn in their chambers? And how did the British citizens learn of it?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  723. smart man.

    TLove (b8e7b4)

  724. SPQR,

    Your attempt to inject in-chamber pornography relevant to the troubled economies of England and/or Scotland is irrelevant and therefore rejected in all respects. In your desperation to craft a viable defense for Judge K, you appear to inject a defense by stating the U.K. allows in-chamber porn so thus the U.S. should as well.

    Again, you are pulling at straws. In chamber porn is BAD FOR BUSINESS for reasons that are obvious.

    Since you attempt to inject comparisons (your above U.K. post), take notice that even organized crime thugs draw the line somewhere in the sand. For example, assaulting or otherwise harming a law enforcement officer in any manner whatsoever has been and will always be a BIG no-no in Mafia and Hell’s Angles circles because such is BAD FOR BUSINESS.

    David F. Petrano Esq (2eb020)

  725. DRJ,

    You do not want, in any way, to relate the Petranos to your son.

    nk (2336ef)

  726. Your attempt to inject in-chamber pornography relevant to the troubled economies of England and/or Scotland is irrelevant and therefore rejected in all respects.

    Similarly, your attempt to inject in-chamber pornography relevant to the troubled economies of the United States is irrelevant and therefore rejected in all respects.

    In chamber porn is BAD FOR BUSINESS for reasons that are obvious.

    Not the least of which is the Petrano-Esquire’s four figure monthly Lysol bills. I mean, when you have to decide between pouring Lysol over the mail and buying the anti-psychotic meds, whatchagonnado?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  727. Petrano, I’m not defending Kosinski. I’m ridiculing you. Do learn to keep that straight. You were the one who was claiming that there was some sort of link between your pet obsession and the nation’s economy. I illustrated the silliness of your bizarre comments. I never claimed that the UK allowed in chamber porn. Your obliviousness to satire is among your more endearing traits.

    Your reference to mafia and hell’s angels is just another example of your Tourrette’s Syndrome style of logic. Unless that’s another of your incompetently veiled threats – the last Hell’s Angel to try to intimidate me failed spectacularly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  728. I think it’s all about the decline and fall of Western civilization, the pron apocalypse brought about by the removal of the Websense firewall in 2001 in the 9th Circuit.

    Talk about a trickle down effect!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  729. daleyrocks, I can see the link to the end of the Rome because of the breakdown in the money economy of the Roman empire. All those denarii being spent on jpeg’s of naked Sabine women.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  730. Caligula had nothing on the 9th Circuit.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  731. Well, the film was as unintentionally funny.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  732. RSPQ,

    You lose site of why we have Article III courts in the first place. Again, you cannot seem to think outside the A/B/C/D bar exam mindset from which you earned your credentials.

    Think of commerce as the life-pulse of America. No sane person would invest in American commerce knowing that if and when they need to protect their respective interest in commerce through a court of law, they must first accept the fact our federal court employees spend an enormous amount of time on in-chamber porn and/or blogs whereby law clerks like the Eleventh Circuit’s AnnTm regularly threaten and intimidate litigants before the very court where justice is sought.

    David F. Petrano Esq (2eb020)

  733. David – No sane person would trust our legal system if your were considered a representative member of the bar.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  734. “confidence in our judiciary knowing pornography is viewed for pleasure in Ninth Circuit chambers”

    You have evidence of this

    JD, you want Proof? HERE’s WHAT YOU ASKED FOR:

    According to L. Ralph Mecham, former AOC US Director:

    “Kosinki even volunteered publicly that one of his law clerks had downloaded pronography in his court. He did not mention the extent to which he and his other law clerks also downloaded pornographic movies and NAPSTER music.

    When Chief Justice William Rehnquist learned of Kozinski’s actions and then learned that he was boasting in public about his deliberate violation of Federal law he said, ‘Tell Alex to watch pornography at home and not download and watch it in the courts.’
    http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf (emphasis added)

    Regarding Kozinski’s disabling breach of the WebSENSE firewall on the Judiciary Internet Gateway Federal Courts Security System then located in San Francisco, former US AOC Director Mecham further elablorated:

    “As a result thousands of computer hackers throughout the world were permitted to invade the records of courts, judges and court staff not only in the Ninth Circuit but also in the Eighth and Tenth Circuit which were similarly served b that Gateway. Moreover, skilled hackers once they broke through the system in San Francisco could penetrate into every court in the United States.

    The National Security Agency (NSA) expert who consulted with the Judicial Conference Internet and Technology (IT) Committee said that from a security standpoint this action by Kozinski was ‘insane.’
    http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf (emphasis added)

    JD, is THAT enough Proof for you?

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  735. Daleyrocks said:
    David – No sane person would trust our legal system if your were considered a representative member of the bar.

    Daleyrocks, it seems SPQR has an edge on you. His responses seem to follow a four-choice A/B/C/D format. Your comments follow a single letter “A” format whereby you can’t seem to respond beyond personal attacks on me. Can’t you add a logical response to one of your ordinary, run-of-the-mill attacks?

    David F. Petrano Esq (2eb020)

  736. David – No sane person would trust our legal system if your were considered a representative member of the bar.

    Speaking of the issue of trusting the Federal Courts security with those free downloads of P2P porn and MP3 files post-the Kozinski WebSENSE firewall disabling breach, maintained through the present time by the failure of the Executive Committee of the US Judicial Conference to take any successful action to plug the hole, see http://howappealing.law.com/mechamletter.pdf, it appears Honorable Justice Breyer may have also — like the Petranos were victimized by that run amok Eleventh Circuit law clerk, “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer, CA Bar and D.C. Cir. Bar member — become a victim via the mischief and utter havoc such P2P file sharings can cause.

    In Breyers case, it was an Investment House freely using such P2P file sharing, see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25595899/, but as we all know with sharing P2P files, such breach can travel far and wide, maybe from the Investment House into the Federal Courthouse, and who knows from there to … exactly … WHERE.

    Notably, the Kozinski downloading of MP3 files recently discovered by Cyrus Sanai and the LA Times raised yet another troublesome issue:

    It’s also come to light that included amid the sexual material posted on the judge’s site more recently were MP3 files of copyrighted songs by Weird Al Yankovic, Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan.

    According to the source who found the MP3 files on Judge Kozinski’s site, at least one of the MP3 files was being traded through a file sharing site that linked to Kozinski’s subdomain where the song was stored, raising questions about whether the judge was in violation of copyright laws if anyone downloaded the music from his site.”

    Kim Zetter, Critic Says Judge’s Website Was Distributing MP3 Files, Was Target of Previous Complaint, June 13, 2008, http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/judges-web-site.html

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  737. David – I’ll strive to improve.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  738. I wonder, though, why there is not one mention of the copyrighted music that Kozinski had sitting in that open directory on his web server. I still think that aspect of the story ought to be addressed.

    Yes, h2u, I agree.

    You see, that run amok renegade autism/Americans With Disabilities Act civil rights-hating Eleventh Circuit law clerk, “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer, CA Bar and D.C. Cir. Bar member, who was playing on blogs while at work on her Federal Court computers while assigned my my cases …

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 119
    (5/18/04 9:15 am)

    Hmm…

    BITING MY TONGUE (because I work for the appellate court that could hear her case, and I have access to her pleadings below).
    * * *
    Spot
    Posts: 71
    (5/18/04 9:24 am)

    OH dear Ann …

    You must have some WICKED bite marks in your tongue right now!

    I dont know how you can STAND it!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 120
    (5/18/04 9:33 am)

    Spot, you have no idea!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=41&stop=60

    “galloper
    Posts: 199
    (5/18/04 11:28 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    Doo-be-doo-be-doo….

    I have Paaacer….

    (I gotta say, that is an impressive list of defendants!)

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 128
    (5/18/04 11:39 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    GAAAHHH! Galloper, email me! I want to talk about this stuff with somebody and not feel guilty.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=

    was busy with her co-conspirator, “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumainz, Tenn. Bar member, by fraud and false presences a-purloining a copyrighted work I authored for financial gain to pay for the “AnnTM”-Oyer-Federal Court law clerk blog, as well as to raise funds to pay for “AnnTM”-Elizabeth Oyer, her co-conspirator “Towanda”-Elizabeth Tarumianz’, and other co-conspirators and apparently including Federal Court officials and/or employees — should they get caught!!

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1037
    (5/12/04 5:14 pm)
    I am the proud owner . . .
    ________________________________________
    of an e-mail from the one and only CP. Received it last week. Apparently, I had e-mailed someone long ago about how all her ramblings were a bunch of excuses and that she was the most excuse-prone person I had ever encountered. I also pointed out that the then-most-recent issue of the COTH profiled two riders with disabilities, and they seemed to be doing just fine, making the best of their situations rather than wallowing in excuses and self-pity.

    Well, lo and behold. Said friend (whose neck I may just wring!) anonymously (well, from an anonymous e-mail address) sent it to CP. Um, it had my e-mail address on it. CP wrote me back. It is a gem, folks.

    I have debated whether or not to post it on here. I have decided against it, as I’m not real comfortable with posting private e-mails when both parties to the exchange haven’t consented or aren’t present.

    However, I could probably be talked into posting excerpts.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:16 pm
    * * *
    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 31
    (5/12/04 5:24 pm)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    POST IT TOWANDA!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!

    I need to see it!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1040
    (5/12/04 5:30 pm)
    All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    .

    (sorry, guys . . .I had to edit and may erase later. I am scared of her )

    (sorry, again . . .you snooze, you lose . . .had to chop it again before one of you freaks went and did something with it. )
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/13/04 11:01 am
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1041
    (5/12/04 5:32 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    p.s. I have no idea where she got that I was admitted to the CA bar. Um, in my wettest and wildest dreams, maybe I could pass that test.
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1042
    (5/12/04 5:33 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Edited b/c blacky commented.

    I feel weird every time I read that. Like, I feel kinda bad b/c I didn’t write her back, but then I’m kinda like, I mean, what do you say to that????

    I shouldn’t feel bad anyway . . . I’ll probably be served with a lawsuit here in about a nanosecond.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:35 pm”

    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1043
    (5/12/04 5:35 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    should I feel bad for posting it? or do ya think I’m right, and I’ll probably have a summons on my doorstep like, yesterday so I sholdn’t really worry about it??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:36 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1045
    (5/12/04 5:39 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    p.s. If anyone wants the full monty, feel free to e-mail me!
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:39 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    Continuing on next post:

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  739. I wonder, though, why there is not one mention of the copyrighted music that Kozinski had sitting in that open directory on his web server. I still think that aspect of the story ought to be addressed.

    Yes, h2u, I agree.

    You see, that run amok renegade autism/Americans With Disabilities Act civil rights-hating Eleventh Circuit law clerk, “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer, CA Bar and D.C. Cir. Bar member, who was playing on blogs while at work on her Federal Court computers while assigned my my cases …

    “AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 119
    (5/18/04 9:15 am)

    Hmm…

    BITING MY TONGUE (because I work for the appellate court that could hear her case, and I have access to her pleadings below).
    * * *
    Spot
    Posts: 71
    (5/18/04 9:24 am)

    OH dear Ann …

    You must have some WICKED bite marks in your tongue right now!

    I dont know how you can STAND it!

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 120
    (5/18/04 9:33 am)

    Spot, you have no idea!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=41&stop=60

    “galloper
    Posts: 199
    (5/18/04 11:28 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    Doo-be-doo-be-doo….

    I have Paaacer….

    (I gotta say, that is an impressive list of defendants!)

    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 128
    (5/18/04 11:39 am)

    Re: DK’s link

    GAAAHHH! Galloper, email me! I want to talk about this stuff with somebody and not feel guilty.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=

    was busy with her co-conspirator, “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumainz, Tenn. Bar member, by fraud and false presences a-purloining a copyrighted work I authored for financial gain to pay for the “AnnTM”-Oyer-Federal Court law clerk blog, as well as to raise funds to pay for “AnnTM”-Elizabeth Oyer, her co-conspirator “Towanda”-Elizabeth Tarumianz’, and other co-conspirators and apparently including Federal Court officials and/or employees — should they get caught!!

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1037
    (5/12/04 5:14 pm)
    I am the proud owner . . .
    ________________________________________
    of an e-mail from the one and only CP. Received it last week. Apparently, I had e-mailed someone long ago about how all her ramblings were a bunch of excuses and that she was the most excuse-prone person I had ever encountered. I also pointed out that the then-most-recent issue of the COTH profiled two riders with disabilities, and they seemed to be doing just fine, making the best of their situations rather than wallowing in excuses and self-pity.

    Well, lo and behold. Said friend (whose neck I may just wring!) anonymously (well, from an anonymous e-mail address) sent it to CP. Um, it had my e-mail address on it. CP wrote me back. It is a gem, folks.

    I have debated whether or not to post it on here. I have decided against it, as I’m not real comfortable with posting private e-mails when both parties to the exchange haven’t consented or aren’t present.

    However, I could probably be talked into posting excerpts.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:16 pm
    * * *
    indepthly
    Member
    Posts: 31
    (5/12/04 5:24 pm)
    Re:
    ________________________________________
    POST IT TOWANDA!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!

    I need to see it!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1040
    (5/12/04 5:30 pm)
    All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    .

    (sorry, guys . . .I had to edit and may erase later. I am scared of her )

    (sorry, again . . .you snooze, you lose . . .had to chop it again before one of you freaks went and did something with it. )
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/13/04 11:01 am
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1041
    (5/12/04 5:32 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    p.s. I have no idea where she got that I was admitted to the CA bar. Um, in my wettest and wildest dreams, maybe I could pass that test.
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1042
    (5/12/04 5:33 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Edited b/c blacky commented.

    I feel weird every time I read that. Like, I feel kinda bad b/c I didn’t write her back, but then I’m kinda like, I mean, what do you say to that????

    I shouldn’t feel bad anyway . . . I’ll probably be served with a lawsuit here in about a nanosecond.
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:35 pm”

    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=1&stop=20

    Continuing on next post:

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  740. Continued from above post:

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1043
    (5/12/04 5:35 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    should I feel bad for posting it? or do ya think I’m right, and I’ll probably have a summons on my doorstep like, yesterday so I sholdn’t really worry about it??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:36 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1045
    (5/12/04 5:39 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    p.s. If anyone wants the full monty, feel free to e-mail me!
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:39 pm
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1518
    (5/12/04 6:18 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I had to go to a stupid research team meeting and I missed it!

    Shoot me an email (since I don’t know yours) – mmclough at iastate dot edu!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “Bells
    Member
    Posts: 144
    (5/12/04 6:57 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    I would love to read it too please – send to

    *Edited to remove my email address*
    Edited by: Bells at: 5/13/04 10:05 am

    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2313
    (5/12/04 6:59 pm)
    Damn! The best stuff always happens after I’ve left work
    ________________________________________
    I logged on for a nanosecond, read only page one of this topic (it’s up to P 3) and have to go to the barn to feed, mow and pick up more freaking fallen branches but had to post.

    Towanda, you rock! Thanks for posting although I didn’t get my mitts on it in it’s full glory (wise woman!). I don’t even have time to go to the link and read the actual dirt.

    See you all in the morning.
    * * *
    CountChocula
    Member
    Posts: 578
    (5/12/04 7:09 pm)
    Re: Damn! The best stuff always happens after I’ve left wor
    ________________________________________
    Tow – send that email to me ASAP. Plus you must recap the weekend with JB. I have to know what stories she told you!!!

    lest you forget niki _ carter 44 @ hotmail.com
    This Is MAD
    Member
    Posts: 157
    (5/12/04 7:26 pm)
    me too!
    ________________________________________
    Since I’m the one taking her on (Title III horse dealer?). I want ammunition.

    mariedebany@aol.com
    * * *
    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 106
    (5/12/04 9:32 pm)
    Tow, me too!
    ________________________________________
    Tow, can you send that email along to me? Let me know if you need me to remind you of my email address.

    I have a bizarre fascination for CP. On the one hand, she’s certainly a hoot , but on the other hand, I feel bad because she’s clearly crazy. Maybe it’s the psych major in me, but I find myself analyzing her posts, reading and re-reading them, trying to figure out what her deal is. She’s definitely not just an opinionated gal. She’s off her rocker, no doubt.
    * * *
    Spot
    Posts: 51
    (5/13/04 8:20 am)
    Me! Me!
    ________________________________________
    Email me the email Towanda!

    truecolours@cogeco.ca

    Thanks!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1050
    (5/13/04 8:31 am)
    Re: Me! Me!
    ________________________________________
    All right, kiddies, it’s on its way (or will be in a few).

    So far, the role call goes like this:

    AnnTM
    Count
    Spot (like the e-mail addy, btw!)
    Onesie
    Bells

    Did I miss anyone???
    * * *
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 429
    (5/13/04 8:47 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Well fuck, I go away for one day & it all breaks loose again!
    ‘Blah blah blah, I’m a lawyer, blah blah blah, but I haven’t passed the whatever, blah blah blah’. God, I feel like I’m in a peanuts cartoon.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=41&stop=60

    “OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1523
    (5/13/04 8:57 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Wow, that was quite an email.

    I like how she thinks that the reason COTH ran the articles about the disabled riders was because of her influence.

    ManeTamer
    Member
    Posts: 1280
    (5/13/04 9:00 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I want it too!!!

    pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease?

    goldtoes at iwon dot com
    * * *
    The Big Kahuna
    Member
    Posts: 278
    (5/13/04 9:05 am)
    Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Towanda -
    Please add me to your list!
    CC-Rider@cinci.rr.com
    Thanks!
    * * *
    Dsedler
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/13/04 9:20 am)
    I want..
    ________________________________________
    I want to see this email too. dsedler at excite dot com. Can’t wait!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
    * * *
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 430
    (5/13/04 9:36 am)
    Re: email
    ________________________________________
    oooo me to me to, please add me to your list! Hmmm, I guess I must be disabled as I obviously can’t spell worth crap….to should of been too, right??

    mclaughlin.pam@syncrude.com
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 529
    (5/13/04 9:47 am)
    Towanda!!!
    ________________________________________
    You Forgot Chezjerome on your list!!!!!
    * * *
    Raintrap
    Member
    Posts: 340
    (5/13/04 10:00 am)

    ________________________________________
    I want it too! Raintrap “@” hotmail.com
    I love me some crazies.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    Continued on next post (for the legal defense funding they were raising from infringing my original authored copyrighted work which they purloined:

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  741. Mary, you need to change your meds. I’m not trying to insult you… I deal with people suffering from mental illness all the time and I know you’re a victim of your illness. Though you aren’t abusive as you were when Volokh banned you, you’re acting delusional.

    You suffer from paranoia and confirmation bias. You have an absurd level of certainty about your wild guesses and insinuations.

    Kozinski isn’t acting guilty. He’s begging or as much scrutiny as possible. cyrus did his best, and yeah, a lot of lies were told about Kozinksi that we all know now not to believe, and while Kozinski’s reputation is forever damaged by those crimes, he really is innocent. The only person who attempted to circumvent copyright and illegally distribute music was Cyrus.

    But that’s besides the point. I’m more well informed of the situation than even Cyrus, but I’m able to step back and not lose my cool. Are you? No you aren’t. You can’t practice law for the same reason, so stop blaming society for what is an unfortunate result of your youthful indiscretion. You have my sympathy and you have my advise to seek professional help. David “esq” is not doing you any favors.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  742. Continued from above post:

    “QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1043
    (5/12/04 5:35 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    should I feel bad for posting it? or do ya think I’m right, and I’ll probably have a summons on my doorstep like, yesterday so I sholdn’t really worry about it??
    Edited by: Towanda at: 5/12/04 5:36 pm
    * * *
    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 47
    (5/12/04 5:34 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    Holy shit. Just. Holy. Shit. Awesome!
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.

    OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1518
    (5/12/04 6:18 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I had to go to a stupid research team meeting and I missed it!

    Shoot me an email (since I don’t know yours) – mmclough at iastate dot edu!”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “Bells
    Member
    Posts: 144
    (5/12/04 6:57 pm)
    Re: All right, you twisted my arm
    ________________________________________
    I would love to read it too please – send to

    *Edited to remove my email address*
    Edited by: Bells at: 5/13/04 10:05 am

    Everythingbutwings
    Member
    Posts: 2313
    (5/12/04 6:59 pm)
    Damn! The best stuff always happens after I’ve left work
    ________________________________________
    I logged on for a nanosecond, read only page one of this topic (it’s up to P 3) and have to go to the barn to feed, mow and pick up more freaking fallen branches but had to post.

    Towanda, you rock! Thanks for posting although I didn’t get my mitts on it in it’s full glory (wise woman!). I don’t even have time to go to the link and read the actual dirt.

    See you all in the morning.
    * * *
    CountChocula
    Member
    Posts: 578
    (5/12/04 7:09 pm)
    Re: Damn! The best stuff always happens after I’ve left wor
    ________________________________________
    Tow – send that email to me ASAP. Plus you must recap the weekend with JB. I have to know what stories she told you!!!

    lest you forget niki _ carter 44 @ hotmail.com
    This Is MAD
    Member
    Posts: 157
    (5/12/04 7:26 pm)
    me too!
    ________________________________________
    Since I’m the one taking her on (Title III horse dealer?). I want ammunition.

    mariedebany@aol.com
    * * *
    AnnTM
    Member
    Posts: 106
    (5/12/04 9:32 pm)
    Tow, me too!
    ________________________________________
    Tow, can you send that email along to me? Let me know if you need me to remind you of my email address.

    I have a bizarre fascination for CP. On the one hand, she’s certainly a hoot , but on the other hand, I feel bad because she’s clearly crazy. Maybe it’s the psych major in me, but I find myself analyzing her posts, reading and re-reading them, trying to figure out what her deal is. She’s definitely not just an opinionated gal. She’s off her rocker, no doubt.
    * * *
    Spot
    Posts: 51
    (5/13/04 8:20 am)
    Me! Me!
    ________________________________________
    Email me the email Towanda!

    truecolours@cogeco.ca

    Thanks!

    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1050
    (5/13/04 8:31 am)
    Re: Me! Me!
    ________________________________________
    All right, kiddies, it’s on its way (or will be in a few).

    So far, the role call goes like this:

    AnnTM
    Count
    Spot (like the e-mail addy, btw!)
    Onesie
    Bells

    Did I miss anyone???”
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 429
    (5/13/04 8:47 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Well fuck, I go away for one day & it all breaks loose again!
    ‘Blah blah blah, I’m a lawyer, blah blah blah, but I haven’t passed the whatever, blah blah blah’. God, I feel like I’m in a peanuts cartoon.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=41&stop=60

    Continuing on next post:

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  743. Continued from above post:

    “OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1523
    (5/13/04 8:57 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Wow, that was quite an email.

    I like how she thinks that the reason COTH ran the articles about the disabled riders was because of her influence.

    ManeTamer
    Member
    Posts: 1280
    (5/13/04 9:00 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I want it too!!!

    pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease?

    goldtoes at iwon dot com

    The Big Kahuna
    Member
    Posts: 278
    (5/13/04 9:05 am)
    Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Towanda -
    Please add me to your list!
    CC-Rider@cinci.rr.com
    Thanks!
    * * *
    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 50
    (5/13/04 9:11 am)
    Re: Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Oops, I forgot the part about “classic, vintage ADA!” How am I supposed to get any work done today!?
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    * * *
    Dsedler
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/13/04 9:20 am)
    I want..
    ________________________________________
    I want to see this email too. dsedler at excite dot com. Can’t wait!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
    * * *
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 430
    (5/13/04 9:36 am)
    Re: email
    ________________________________________
    oooo me to me to, please add me to your list! Hmmm, I guess I must be disabled as I obviously can’t spell worth crap….to should of been too, right??

    mclaughlin.pam@syncrude.com
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 529
    (5/13/04 9:47 am)
    Towanda!!!
    ________________________________________
    You Forgot Chezjerome on your list!!!!!
    * * *
    Raintrap
    Member
    Posts: 340
    (5/13/04 10:00 am)

    ________________________________________
    I want it too! Raintrap “@” hotmail.com
    I love me some crazies.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    Oh, yes … the legal defense funding from unauthorized purloining, publishing, and distribution of my original authored copyright work:

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Pixie Dust of Tweedle Dee

    Member
    Posts: 1151
    (5/19/04 9:19 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    She seems to be smart, but lacking some sort of connecting element, which negates any real reasoning power……if that makes any sense.

    I have no doubt that she is mentally deficient in some way.

    donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    … The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    So NOW WE KNOW, while “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer was a-writing Bench Memos for her Federal Judge to deny IFP under an income imputation formula on Petranos, “AnnTM”-Oyer, “Towanda”-Elizabeth Tarumianz, and the other federal law clerk-co-conspirators were busy RAISING MONEY BY MEANS OF COPYRIGHT INFRIONGEMENT FROM HAVING PURLOINED MKDP’S ORIGINAL AUTHORED COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK AND MADE NUMEROUS UNAUTHORED DISCLOSURES AND PUBLICATIONS …

    when MOST AMAZINGLY, they demonstrated guilt for stealing the proceeds for Federal Court business, while not making any accounting for the funds they raised, and failing to credit the money to Petrano’s FEDERAL COURT APPELLATE FILING FEES!

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    I wonder if the Federal Courts “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer worked for from her Federal Court computers while aided and abetted by her co-conspirators (principally “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz) to KEEP THE INFRINGING FUNDS RAISED may also be oblighated to provide Petranos an accounting of the purloined copyright infringed funds.

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  744. Continued from above post:

    “OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1523
    (5/13/04 8:57 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Wow, that was quite an email.

    I like how she thinks that the reason COTH ran the articles about the disabled riders was because of her influence.

    ManeTamer
    Member
    Posts: 1280
    (5/13/04 9:00 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I want it too!!!

    pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease?

    goldtoes at iwon dot com

    The Big Kahuna
    Member
    Posts: 278
    (5/13/04 9:05 am)
    Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Towanda -
    Please add me to your list!
    CC-Rider@cinci.rr.com
    Thanks!
    * * *
    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 50
    (5/13/04 9:11 am)
    Re: Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Oops, I forgot the part about “classic, vintage ADA!” How am I supposed to get any work done today!?
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    * * *
    Dsedler
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/13/04 9:20 am)
    I want..
    ________________________________________
    I want to see this email too. dsedler at excite dot com. Can’t wait!
    * * *
    Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )
    * * *
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 430
    (5/13/04 9:36 am)
    Re: email
    ________________________________________
    oooo me to me to, please add me to your list! Hmmm, I guess I must be disabled as I obviously can’t spell worth crap….to should of been too, right??

    mclaughlin.pam@syncrude.com
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 529
    (5/13/04 9:47 am)
    Towanda!!!
    ________________________________________
    You Forgot Chezjerome on your list!!!!!
    * * *
    Raintrap
    Member
    Posts: 340
    (5/13/04 10:00 am)

    ________________________________________
    I want it too! Raintrap “@” hotmail.com
    I love me some crazies.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    Oh, yes … the legal defense funding from unauthorized purloining, publishing, and distribution of my original authored copyright work:

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Pixie Dust of Tweedle Dee

    Member
    Posts: 1151
    (5/19/04 9:19 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    She seems to be smart, but lacking some sort of connecting element, which negates any real reasoning power……if that makes any sense.

    I have no doubt that she is mentally deficient in some way.

    donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    … The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    So NOW WE KNOW, while “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer was a-writing Bench Memos for her Federal Judge to deny IFP under an income imputation formula on Petranos, “AnnTM”-Oyer, “Towanda”-Elizabeth Tarumianz, and the other federal law clerk-co-conspirators were busy RAISING MONEY BY MEANS OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT FROM HAVING PURLOINED MKDP’S ORIGINAL AUTHORED COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK AND MADE NUMEROUS UNAUTHORED DISCLOSURES AND PUBLICATIONS …

    when MOST AMAZINGLY, they demonstrated guilt for stealing the proceeds for Federal Court business, while not making any accounting for the purloined funds they raised!

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  745. Continued from above post:

    “OneonOne
    Member
    Posts: 1523
    (5/13/04 8:57 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Wow, that was quite an email.

    I like how she thinks that the reason COTH ran the articles about the disabled riders was because of her influence.

    ManeTamer
    Member
    Posts: 1280
    (5/13/04 9:00 am)
    Re: Her!!
    ________________________________________
    Towanda, I want it too!!!

    pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease?

    goldtoes at iwon dot com

    The Big Kahuna
    Member
    Posts: 278
    (5/13/04 9:05 am)
    Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Towanda -
    Please add me to your list!
    CC-Rider@cinci.rr.com
    Thanks!
    * * *
    QuietlyIrish
    Member
    Posts: 50
    (5/13/04 9:11 am)
    Re: Put me on the list too…….
    ________________________________________
    Oops, I forgot the part about “classic, vintage ADA!” How am I supposed to get any work done today!?
    - Formerly Frankiedaman –
    * * *
    Dsedler
    Member
    Posts: 45
    (5/13/04 9:20 am)
    I want..
    ________________________________________
    I want to see this email too. dsedler at excite dot com. Can’t wait!
    * * *
    limey
    Member
    Posts: 430
    (5/13/04 9:36 am)
    Re: email
    ________________________________________
    oooo me to me to, please add me to your list! Hmmm, I guess I must be disabled as I obviously can’t spell worth crap….to should of been too, right??

    mclaughlin.pam@syncrude.com
    chezjerome
    Member
    Posts: 529
    (5/13/04 9:47 am)
    Towanda!!!
    ________________________________________
    You Forgot Chezjerome on your list!!!!!
    * * *
    Raintrap
    Member
    Posts: 340
    (5/13/04 10:00 am)

    ________________________________________
    I want it too! Raintrap “@” hotmail.com
    I love me some crazies.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1055
    (5/13/04 9:24 am)
    Re: heehee
    ________________________________________
    Oh, I meant 5000, sorry. You know I can’t type (especially what with all the CP hoopla . . .you think YOU aren’t getting any work done?? try fielding all the rabid e-mail requesters )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=61&stop=80

    I LOST COURT of how many COUNTS OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT that added up to by “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and her co-conspirator “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz of my original authored satire work which they purloined, distributed, and published for financial gain to pay for their blog — and a legal defense fund in case they got caught — without my authorization!!

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  746. Oh Yes, about that legal defense the Eleventh Circuit law clerk, “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer, CA Bar and D.C. Cir Bar member and her co-conspirator “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz, Tenn. Bar member raised to pay for funding their legal defense and apparently that of other Federal Court officials and/or employess in case THEY GOT CAUGHT …

    “Towanda
    Member
    Posts: 1049
    (5/12/04 6:02 pm)
    Re: Oh God! Contentious topic #3….the ADA is back!
    ________________________________________
    Damn! I just looked at the bottom of TTR and saw that there were like 20 more people logged on now than there were when the message was posted in its entirety. Like I said, you snooze, you lose. Sorry, guys. But I’m sure everyone here will vouch for the brilliance of the original message.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=38.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )

    Draw Rein

    Member
    Posts: 30
    (5/18/04 1:42 pm)

    AnnTM and Galloper
    ——————————————————————————–
    Couldn’t you guys let your fingers do a little oops “slipping”??
    * * *
    Pixie Dust of Tweedle Dee

    Member
    Posts: 1151
    (5/19/04 9:19 am)”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    She seems to be smart, but lacking some sort of connecting element, which negates any real reasoning power……if that makes any sense.

    I have no doubt that she is mentally deficient in some way.

    donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towand” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz made from the COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT unauthorized distribution and publication of purloining MY ORIGINAL AUTHORED SATIRE WORK TO FUND THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE and perhaps that of other Federal officials and/or law clerks who may have participated?

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    How many OTHER copyright infringement victims might be out there?

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  747. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Pixie Dust of Tweedle Dee

    Member
    Posts: 1151
    (5/19/04 9:19 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    She seems to be smart, but lacking some sort of connecting element, which negates any real reasoning power……if that makes any sense.

    I have no doubt that she is mentally deficient in some way.

    donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    I WONDER THE SIZE OF THE FUNDS “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz made from the COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT unauthorized distribution and publication gained from purloining MY ORIGINAL AUTHORED SATIRE WORK TO FUND THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE (and perhaps that of other Federal officials and/or law clerks who may have participated)?

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  748. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “Pixie Dust of Tweedle Dee

    Member
    Posts: 1151
    (5/19/04 9:19 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    She seems to be smart, but lacking some sort of connecting element, which negates any real reasoning power……if that makes any sense.

    I have no doubt that she is mentally deficient in some way.

    donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  749. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  750. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    …”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    MKDP (0e3c7e)

  751. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    HOW MUCH did “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz make from the COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT unauthorized distribution and publication gained from purloining MY ORIGINAL AUTHORED SATIRE WORK TO FUND THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE (and perhaps that of other Federal officials and/or law clerks who may have participated)?

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    MKDP (6e72f7)

  752. Mary Kate (Or Ashley, I don’t care which of you reads this)

    Get. Help.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  753. mkdp has posted that about 40 times now. As you finally posted something that you allege to be evidence, finally, I laud you. You will note that what you posted supports a contention other than the one that Petranos Esp made, ie. Judge Koz disabled Websense so he could view porn in chambers. Obviously, he was trying to destroy the economy.

    JD (5f0e11)

  754. Here’s a song for MKDP.

    Pablo (99243e)

  755. mkdp – Those long cut and paste jobs are crushing my Centro. Thanks.

    David Esp – Does everyone that does not buy into your bizzaro fantasy world conspiracy theories think in the a/b/c/d box? If we were able to think in the r%l#8/J box, would we be able to understand your brilliant musings?

    JD (75f5c3)

  756. I find it pretty amusing that Petrano/MKDP think that a law clerk’s ridicule of their frivolous and incoherent legal pleadings is what has kept them from prevailing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  757. I find Petranos Esp and MKDP amusing. Period.

    JD (75f5c3)

  758. If only AnnTM weren’t so busy watching porn at the office, the wisdom and righteousness of the Petranos’ pleadings would be evident to her.

    I blame Ron Jeremy.

    Pablo (99243e)

  759. It would be fun if AnnTM commented here.

    JD (5f0e11)

  760. Mary, you need to change your meds. I’m not trying to insult you… I deal with people suffering from mental illness all the time and I know you’re a victim of your illness.

    Good, since you admit you are making a medical diagnosis and seeking to prescribe medication to a person who has lived nearly her entire life taking nothing but ibuprohen for pain, please provide factual basis for your medical opinion, history of medical records you predicated your medical opinion on by item#, your state of licensure, and license #. Otherwise shut up and quite libelling me per quod.

    Though you aren’t abusive as you were when Volokh banned you, you’re acting delusional.

    I have no notice from Eugene stating I have been banned from Volokh. Given that UCLA admits Volokh.com is an affiliate of UCLA, a Title II public entity run by the Regents of the University of California, I would be entitled to due process Americans With Disabilities Act notice before being banned. Please prove the above item you have stated.

    You suffer from paranoia and confirmation bias. You have an absurd level of certainty about your wild guesses and insinuations.

    Same response as #1 above. Provide your medical licensing info, etc. or shut up and quite libelling me per quod. Further, the certainty that the “AnnTM” and co-conspirator posts were posted on that blog are a certainty. You can ascertain that yourself by linking to them or obtaining a subpoena duces tecum.

    Kozinski isn’t acting guilty. He’s begging or as much scrutiny as possible.

    Wow. The “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer – “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz posts from their own hands really flicked your bic and rattled your cage so hard your reading comprehension failed. Maybe you need to reread that “AnnTM” herself stated she felt “guilty.” I never stated Kozinski was “acting guilty,” your words, but now that you raise this as an issue … IS he? Please elaborate some more …

    Moreover, regarding calling for his own investigation of himself, I would observe that Kozinski is a master and appears to have invoked the old adage “a good defense is a good offense” on more than one occassion, the other being namely bragging how he disabled-breached the Federal Courts computer security WebSENSE firewall.

    cyrus did his best, and yeah, a lot of lies were told about Kozinksi that we all know now not to believe, and while Kozinski’s reputation is forever damaged by those crimes, he really is innocent. The only person who attempted to circumvent copyright and illegally distribute music was Cyrus.>

    GeeWhiz, DOESN’T THIS SOUND LIKE volunteered, BLURTED OUT CONFESSION of information no one asked for? As well as an attempt to shift focus from the matter at hand, namely how many victims there are across the United States of hackers who skated freeley to and for through that WebSENSE Federal Courts computer security breach — ALA “AnnTM”-Oyer and “Towanda” -Tarumianz.

    But that’s besides the point. I’m more well informed of the situation than even Cyrus, but I’m able to step back and not lose my cool. Are you? No you aren’t.

    Incredible, what an EMOTIONAL post, please oh pretty please, can you DO THAT AGAIN??!!!!! You sound like Eugene computer programmer extraordinare. Did you lose your cool? It takes a a computer whiz from before age 7, to know one … and the only one I know who IDOLIZES Judge K is Eugene. But I didn’t “lose my cool,” not at all. YOU did. So EMOTIONAL, your post! HERE is a thought: why don’t you and Judge K turnover that scum-bag psycho stalker, “AnnTM” Elizabeth Oyer for some criminal prosecution, since you alleges Judge K is really innocent (and obviously if Judge K is innocent, it is “AnnTM”-Oyer and “Towanda” Tarumianz who are the keylogging crime spree.

    You can’t practice law for the same reason, so stop blaming society for what is an unfortunate result of your youthful indiscretion. You have my sympathy and you have my advise to seek professional help. David “esq” is not doing you any favors.

    What “youthful indiscretion?” Please, pray tell. This I know, being a 52 year old autistic: either you ARE Eugene and started this entire miscarriage of justice on my life while law clerking for Judge K in the Ninth Circuit when my California cases were passing through to which you now reference as a “youthful indiscretion,” or you are just hurling reckless defamatory missiles from your a$$hole.

    I have lived the best and most straightfoward honest life for all of my 52 years as a severely disabled autistic American. I do not know of any “youthful indiscretion” that can be attributable to me.

    If you claim otherwise, please specify time, date, place, witnesses, and articulate your claim. And please SPARE ME the discriminatory-stereotyping-autism part.

    MKDP (6031cb)

  761. Here’s a song for MKDP.

    And HERE’s a song for YOU, Pablofablo:

    “Come gather ’round people
    Wherever you roam
    And admit that the waters
    Around you have grown
    And accept it that soon
    You’ll be drenched to the bone.
    If your time to you
    Is worth savin’
    Then you better start swimmin’
    Or you’ll sink like a stone
    For the times they are a-changin’.

    Come writers and critics
    Who prophesize with your pen
    And keep your eyes wide
    The chance won’t come again
    And don’t speak too soon
    For the wheel’s still in spin
    And there’s no tellin’ who
    That it’s namin’.
    For the loser now
    Will be later to win
    For the times they are a-changin’.”

    ~ Bob Dylan

    MKDP (6031cb)

  762. I reject your comment outright. No factual or statutory basis for you to be that bugf*ck crazy, nor any for you to be as overwhelmingly stupid. In fact, stupidity on that level has been outlawed as a weapon of mass destruction in 38 countries.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  763. No, MKDP, you are not entitled to any notice from anyone before being banned from a blog. That’s another of your fatuous and frivolous legal theories.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  764. We’re all friends here Mary Kate. You can tell us about that youthful indiscretion that is preventing you from practicing law. Was it some convictions? Commitments? We’re here to help.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  765. I reject your comment outright. No factual or statutory basis for you to be that bugf*ck crazy, nor any for you to be as overwhelmingly stupid. In fact, stupidity on that level has been outlawed as a weapon of mass destruction in 38 countries

    And I reject your above-pictured Kitty-McCat. Really, Drummerboy, for so much BARK, couldn’t you at least have found a BIGGER CAT? meeeoooww

    MKDP (6031cb)

  766. Like Mr. Greybeard, you have again been Reeee-Jected!

    (Don’t like the tactic? Gee, I wonder why?)

    Once you start hearing the squishy sound, it’s time to stop beating your head against the sidewalk.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  767. No, MKDP, you are not entitled to any notice from anyone before being banned from a blog. That’s another of your fatuous and frivolous legal theories

    Please cite your legal authorities; otherwise I will confirm YOU HAVE NONE. What’s it they call a frivolous argument falsely alleging a frivolous argument? “Frivols.” Thank Theron Hutto, the perjuring roast beef carver-food wipe masquerading as an Ocean Unlimited Master in the U.S., Liberia, Panama, and Bahamas who claimed to be able to man “any ship in the United States fleet” causing a threat to our National Ports Security.

    . You can tell us about that youthful indiscretion that is preventing you from practicing

    Why should I tell anything I have no knowldge of and did not do? If YOU are alleging there is some “youthful indiscretion” on my part, YOU are required to articulate with specificity and prove it. Otherwise why don’t you just admit it is all a fabrication on your part.

    Tell me, daleyrocks, are YOU likewise planning on receiving your legal defense funding from the “AnnTM”-Oyer “Towanda-Tarumianz COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT fund?

    MKDP (6031cb)

  768. Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
    ——————————————————————————–
    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
    ——————————————————————————–
    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20
    HOW MUCH did “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz make from the COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT unauthorized distribution and publication gained from purloining MY ORIGINAL AUTHORED SATIRE WORK TO FUND THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE (and perhaps that of other Federal officials and/or law clerks who may have participated)?

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    MKDP (6031cb)

  769. Please cite your legal authorities; otherwise I will confirm YOU HAVE NONE.

    First Amendment. Maybe you’ve heard of it?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  770. If YOU are alleging there is some “youthful indiscretion” on my part, YOU are required to articulate with specificity and prove it.

    Be careful making this argument, there, Mary Kate.

    Ashley is doing exactly this regarding the 9/11 investigations, which could cause BOTH of you to lose your licenses for libelous activities.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  771. MKDP, the bottom line is that you have neither a right nor a privilege to post comments at someone else’s blog. The ADA gives you no authority to take over another’s blog and force them to allow you to pollute their blog with your incoherent ravings.

    Certainly you’ve been given far too much license across the internet to fill people’s websites with the Petrano/MKDP drivel.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  772. Be careful making this argument, there, Mary Kate.

    Ashley is doing exactly this regarding the 9/11 investigations, which could cause BOTH of you to lose your licenses for libelous acti

    Another threat.

    How many times do I need to be stalked and threatened by “AnnTM,” “Towanda,” and their other little co-conspirators, have my girth cut in five places, shot at while walking my horse, water turned off and fireworks launched on my vessel, my Florida driver’s license stolen w/ counterfeit planted in its place and official Florida driver’s license records tampered with, my equine disability service horse fed aflatoxin poisoned feed causing an irreparable founder “sinker” injury, and my Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition computer threatened with CIPAV then almost immediately dstroyed by a Trojan horse TO PREVENT ME FROM TIMELY FILING A SUPREME COURT PETITION IN PETRANOS v. VESSEL MISTRESS …

    before I am protected from all these threats, crimes, and torts?

    MKDP (6031cb)

  773. Why should I tell anything I have no knowldge of and did not do?

    Mary Kate – You are being ridiculous here. If you do not know what it is how can you assert that you did not do it?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  774. MKDP, the bottom line is that you have neither a right nor a privilege to post comments at someone else’s blog. The ADA gives you no authority to take over another’s blog and force them to allow you to pollute their blog with your incoherent ravings.

    Actually, the Americans With Disabilities Act DOES require a blog to prove a means for effective communication (First Amendment activity) so an autistic blogger is notg constantly being defamed with mocking her language-communication impairments as “incoherent ravings.” Under both Title II (UCLA public entity affiliate) and Title III (private blogs).

    SPQR, you simply seek to enforce your own will to overpower the viewpoint content of speech you find unpopular, pro-civil rights, and happens to disagree with your Any Rand Atlas Shrugged Libertarian take on things.

    MKDP (6031cb)

  775. corr:
    “Any Rand” = Ayn Rand

    MKDP (6031cb)

  776. Isn’t it interesting that while Drummerboy is threateniong me with:

    Ashley is doing exactly this regarding the 9/11 investigations, which could cause BOTH of you to lose your licenses for libelous act

    This blog is REFUSING TO LET ME POST MY SUPPORTING EVIDENCE “AnnTM”-Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” Elizabeth Tarumianz used my original authored Copyrighted Satire Work TO RAISE LEGAL DEFENSE FUNDS FOR THEMSELVES AND APPARENTLY ANY OTHER FEDERAL COURT OFFICIAL OR EMPLOEE OR OTHER PERSON … if they got CAUGHT!

    Which they did when some whistleblower put all their POOP publicly on the Internet from a blog where they failed to SECURE their blog from the Googlebot and the PUBLIC.

    WHO is the whistleblower? WHAT A HERO to the INTEGRITY OF THE AMERICAN FEDERAL JUDICIARY!!!!!!

    Whomever that BRAVE SOUL is, deserves a joint Presidential and Chief Justice MEDAL OF HONOR!

    Saved the Nation’s Federal Courts from being overrun with hackers and types intent on causing bodily injury to their stalked victims — litigants *they don’t happen to like* coming before the Courts.

    MKDPs Shadow (6031cb)

  777. MKDP, nothing can protect you from imaginary conspiracies. And no, the ADA does not protect you from being ridiculed on a blog. You continue to fabricate the most incoherent legal theories.

    Your incompetence continues.

    You’ll note however that your alleged impairments are not being ridiculed. It is the silly, nutty content of your comments that is.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  778. Drumwaster
    who is Ashley and what is libelous?

    David F. Petrano Esq. (f87fd4)

  779. Actually, the Americans With Disabilities Act DOES require a blog to prove a means for effective communication (First Amendment activity) so an autistic blogger is notg constantly being defamed with mocking her language-communication impairments as “incoherent ravings.” Under both Title II (UCLA public entity affiliate) and Title III (private blogs).

    Mary Kate – Let’s have those citations proving that blogs are covered entities and that it is the responsibility of the blog owner as opposed to the computer owner himself/herself to make suitable arrangements to comment accessibly on a blog.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  780. It is the silly, nutty content of your comments that is.

    As I said before, it is my viewpoint CONTENT you seek to censor. A classic First Amendment RETALIATION against an autistic American exercising protected First Amendment speech you *just don’t like.*

    MKDPs Shadow (6031cb)

  781. Daleyrocks, you are asking MKDP for legal advice which she will not do. So you own research, entrapper wannabe.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (f87fd4)

  782. Drumwaster
    who is Ashley and what is libelous?

    DFP, he isn’t answering, because his accusation was BASELESS. Obviously unless he can prove something I said was untrue, then everything I said was true. If something was “libelous,” he would be required to state with particularity exactly what, prove that articulated item was untrue, and provide me an opportunity for retraction.

    But he CAN’T, so he DIDN’T.

    Just like “AnnTM” HAS NOT COME FORTH TO DEFEND HERSELF.

    She is probably TAKING THE FIFTH!

    MKDPs Shadow (6031cb)

  783. Petrano, only you in your nutty little play world think that getting someone to express an opinion on a blog creates some form of professional liability that you can threaten litigation upon.

    The rest of us know that is just another incompetent attempt by you to threaten others.

    Which makes all the incoherent bleating by the Petrano/MKDP circle jerk about civil rights all the more humorous.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  784. Now it is defaulting to MKDP’s Shadow. My apologies for the involuntary default feature.

    MKDPs (9c7293)

  785. Petrano, only you in your nutty little play world think that getting someone to express an opinion on a blog creates some form of professional liability that you can threaten litigation upon.

    The rest of us know that is just another incompetent attempt by you to threaten others.

    Which makes all the incoherent bleating by the Petrano/MKDP circle jerk about civil rights all the more humorous.

    SPQR, DFP did not “threaten” you. I did not see any “threat.” But you continue to libel me professionally, and I am demanding a retraction.

    Further, I am not falling into the UPL entrapment sting. I only stated what MY legal rights were in terms of requesting a cease and desist.

    If those who do not like the fact Congress gave me a legal right to have my communication be effective under the Americans With Disabilities Act want to know more about the ADA, maybe they need to do their own research or hire an ADA consult to explain the Act to them or take a law school class on the subject.

    MKDPs (9c7293)

  786. Drummer still HAS NOT ANSWERED

    Drumwaster
    who is Ashley and what is libelous?

    MKDPs (9c7293)

  787. “Daleyrocks, you are asking MKDP for legal advice which she will not do. So you own research, entrapper wannabe.”

    DEPEsq – Mary Kate is making assertions about her legal rights to access this blog and to be protected from adverse speech under various federal statutes and making potential threats about such rights and protections. I am not asking for advice. I am asking her to defend her position, which she apparently she cannot, since you have now stepped into the void.

    Is making baseless threats permitted under the Canons?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  788. Actually, the Americans With Disabilities Act DOES require a blog to prove a means for effective communication

    Cite the exact section and paragraph that supports this baseless assertion.

    Drumwaster
    who is Ashley and what is libelous?

    You are Ashley, and “libelous” includes baseless accusations that you cannot factually prove, such as the accusation that the “government” is violating several laws, such as conspiracy to commit mass murder, 3,000+ counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, perjury, and the list goes on.

    And all those libelous accusations because you weren’t invited to sit in on the classified portions of the testimony.

    The only reason it isn’t being followed up on is that you haven’t yet been specific enough as to who you think was actually in on “it” – whatever “it” was.

    First Amendment doesn’t cover treasonous activities, nor is there any sort of protection for libel and slander, even against public figures (Carol Burnett v National Enquirer), unless you can prove the truth of the accusations with material and information you already possess.

    You can’t, yet that doesn’t stop you.

    Your libel is espoecially egregious because you claim to be officers of the court, and cannopt claim ignorance of the law in this case, and that knowledge has not stopped you.

    Go further, and everything you hold dear, from that oh-so-carefully-flaunted “Esquire” right down to your favorite socks are at risk in the resultant Bar hearing.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  789. I had to go pick up my car from the shop, or I would have been here slapping you around the whole time.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  790. MKDP, your understanding of libel law is as incompetent as your understanding of ADA.

    The only ones who give any credence to this faux “sting” are yourselves. It is hilarious that you’ve only succeeded in scaring yourselves.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  791. “If those who do not like the fact Congress gave me a legal right to have my communication be effective”

    Mary Kate – The government does not provide any guarantees against stupidity. Your communications here have been anything but effective and persuasive, IMHO. Does that mean you are being discriminated against. No. It means you are a loonwaffle, again, IMHO.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  792. I had a long stressful mediation today, and I settled in for 4 hours of quiet driving home. I literally had to pull my car over to the side if the road because the bugfuck krazies are bringin’ teh krazy tonite.

    JD (5f0e11)

  793. But you continue to libel me professionally, and I am demanding a retraction.

    Calling you a fucking idiot is not a professional libel, it is a statement of opinion, backed up by numerous comments you have posted as proof.

    So go take a long walk off a short pier.

    A classic First Amendment RETALIATION against an autistic American exercising protected First Amendment speech you *just don’t like.*

    It isn’t the “free speech” part, you brainless twit, it’s the right to “freely associate” with whomever the owner of the blog wishes to associate.

    Second you HAVE NO RIGHT to post content on another persons blog. That person is NOT Congress, is NOT subject to the ADA (since they are not a government agency or business that is open to the public), and can tell you to go fly a kite in a lightning storm should they wish, because they are under no obligation to pay the bills associated with YOUR alleged right to say what you want.

    If you want free speech, go start your own damned blog, and speechify away. No one will stop you. But no one will care, either.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  794. Mart Kate and David – I suggest you relax and have a nice hand carved roast beef dinner. I think you know where to find one.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  795. daleyrocks 769 – I think it had something to do with a bottle of mezcal, and Black Stallion.

    JD (5f0e11)

  796. Aggressive bugfuck kraziness in all its glory !!!!!!!!

    JD (5f0e11)

  797. I wish AnnTM was here. Can someone email her and ask her to join us?

    TLove (4a03a6)

  798. Can you imagine the stories that she could tell ?!

    I would love to hear the one about MKDP riding a horse into Court.

    The one about MKDP at band camp is a classic too.

    Affirmed called, MKDP, and he asked me to tell you that he is just too tired … wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

    JD (5f0e11)

  799. You are Ashley, and “libelous” includes baseless accusations that you cannot factually prove, such as the accusation that the “government” is violating several laws, such as conspiracy to commit mass murder, 3,000+ counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, perjury, and the list goes on

    Excuse me? I did not state all of the things you attribute to me in your above post. Since I did not state each adn every item you attribute to me, I have no obligation to fulfill your desire for “proof.” Please retract your false accusation I am the author of every item above.

    Is making baseless threats permitted under the Canons

    daleyrocks, since you have no maliciously maligned and libeled per quod my professional reputation, HERE’s one for you:

    Please state your real true name and identity in compliance with my right to ask for the same pursuant to 47 U.S.C. Sec. 223. Thank you for your compliacne with the above statute. If you want to libel me, please do so under your real true name.

    And all those libelous accusations because you weren’t invited to sit in on the classified portions of the testimony.

    The only reason it isn’t being followed up on is that you haven’t yet been specific enough as to who you think was actually in on “it” – whatever “it” was.

    See my response to #1 above. Further, the reason your “national security” argument is a failure (and you know it) is because as THIS Court recently held, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) preempted the state secret privilege.
    http://www.eff.org/files/Al-HaraFISA-order.pdf

    So quit threatening people who happen to disagree with your (apparently now wrong) take on the issue.

    First Amendment doesn’t cover treasonous activities, nor is there any sort of protection for libel and slander, even against public figures (Carol Burnett v National Enquirer), unless you can prove the truth of the accusations with material and information you already possess

    I already stated “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer already made an actionable tacit admission all of it is true. That is all the proof I need, with the “AnnTM” blog posts I obtained publicly from Googling my own name, in the Eleventh Circuit. If you think it is untrue, then prove it. Or shut up.

    As far as your false accusation of “treason,” I guess when DFP watched Michael Moore’s move and talked about it, you will next be threatening to arrest Michael Moore, too. If there is any “treason” here, it would more likely appear to be on the part of the one who disabled the WebSENSE Federal Courts Computer System security firewall to let any Tom, Dick, or Harry hacker invade Federal Courts right up to apparently the FISC and also play on blogs all day to carry out intent to incite imminent violence and true threats against autistic litigants who bring civil rights cases in the Federal Courts.

    Your libel is espoecially egregious because you claim to be officers of the courts

    That is false. I have NOT claimed to be an “officer of the court.” Please retract your false and defamatory statement. I am not a lawyer.

    Second, YOU claimed something I stated was “libelous.” I asked to you specify what exactly I stated that was allegedly “libelous,” and prove that what I stated was untrue, so I could retract, if anything was, in fact, “libelous.”

    You have REFUSED to specify ANYTHING that I stated that was “liberlous” or prove ANYTHING I stated was untrue.

    I not only have the “AnnTM” blog posts, but a trail of extensive research including to the USEF to identify Elizabeth Tarumianz and Elizabeth Oyer as the two posters, “Towanda” and “AnnTM,” respectively, in question.

    MKDPs (9c7293)

  800. corr:
    “Michael Moore’s move” = Michael Moore’s movie

    MKDPs (9c7293)

  801. professional reputation?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  802. MKDP and Petranos Esp are in a contest for batshit loonwaffle of the day. Who will win? Stay tuned ….

    They are really amping it up today.

    JD (5f0e11)

  803. This is like a parodic satire of a paranoid Turing word generator.

    JD (5f0e11)

  804. Please state your real true name and identity in compliance with my right to ask for the same pursuant to 47 U.S.C. Sec. 223.

    Try 1-800-GO-SCREW-YOURSELF. That should clear everything up for you.

    I have NOT claimed to be an “officer of the court.” Please retract your false and defamatory statement.

    I wasn’t talking to YOU with this comment, Madame Sybil. So go fuck yourself. (Interesting how you hold the term “lawyer” to be defamatory, because “Esquire” (abbreviated Esq.) is a term denoting social status. Within the U.S., its use as a postnominal honorific is to indicate licensed attorneys.

    Are you saying that Ashley isn’t a licensed attorney, yet chooses to use the term “Esquire”? (One should also not use it when referring to oneself, but only as a part of a third-person reference, such as a mailing address on an envelope.)

    Third, if you are not an attorney, you have no standing to demand any personal information from anyone, sans authorized judicial subpoena. If you were, you still don’t have any claim to demand it of those not your clients, since your demand is an attempt to violate the right to privacy of that individual.

    See the first response above.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  805. I got a really bad sandwich at Arby’s two days ago and it’s because the roast beef carver was really a ship’s captain who disabled the WebSENSE Federal Courts Computer System security firewall to let any Tom, Dick, or Harry hacker invade Federal Courts right up to apparently the FISC and also play on blogs all day to carry out intent to incite imminent violence and true threats against autistic litigants who bring civil rights cases in the Federal Courts and then he made fun of my girth in five places and shot at me with a silenced Terminator 5000 plasma rifle denying me my rights to effective communication under Title MCLXVI by breaking into my car and stealing my Arby’s receipt and then altering the records at Arby’s electronic cash register with the ultimate purpose of sending a French frogman to inject Polonium into my escargot when I take my wife out to dinner on our anniversary.

    nk (4212e6)

  806. Hahahahaha. Love it.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  807. This one time, at band camp, there was a horse and MKDP …

    Bravo, nk.

    JD (5f0e11)

  808. Actually, if Mr. Petrano did indeed lose a case and a ship because a roast beef carver was passed off as a ship’s captain but Mr. Petrano did not find out about it until after the trial, he has no right to call himself a lawyer.

    nk (4212e6)

  809. This one time, at band camp, there was a horse and MKDP …

    Don’t forget the flute.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  810. Does the flute get jammed in the horse’s ass ?

    JD (5f0e11)

  811. nk, you forgot how this is going to undermine consumer sentiment and send the country into recession and Arby’s stock price into decline.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  812. The reference to 47 USC 223 is another example of MKDP / Petranos legal gibberish.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  813. I wonder if Judge Samuel Kent was talking about the Petranos in this case?

    nk (4212e6)

  814. SPQR,
    One problem with eliminating the federal courthouse WebSense firewall is thus: it allows hackers to learn whether a federal court employee visited any porn site.

    In-chamber porn may at first glance seem harmless, but if the porn site was particularly offensive, the hacker is placed in a position to exploit his hand (extortion, etc.).

    Why expose our court personnel to risk of hackers who likely have an agenda far, far worse than monetary shake-down? The hacker(s) may have an agenda as sinister as obstructing a meaningful 9/11 investigation.

    It is far prudent to maintain the firewall altogether and limit federal court computers to standard e-mail, Westlaw, Lexis, etc.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (cf01cc)

  815. Actually, if Mr. Petrano did indeed lose a case and a ship because a roast beef carver was passed off as a ship’s captain but Mr. Petrano did not find out about it until after the trial, he has no right to call himself a lawyer.

    Are you actually a lawyer or something? With your obsession on the svelt fast talker, Theron Hutto, it would seem you might have devoted some time to ascertaining that the perjury occurred at a post-arrest hearing (and NOT trial) called promptly by the defendants after they filed their so-called Verified Claim of Owner — the “owners” who testified the vessel was a “registered” Cayman Island vessel, but who NEVER COULD PRODUCE ANY CI REGISTRATION PAPERS. Defendants refusd to provide their Expert Witness List. No opportunity for DFP to know the roast beef carver was coming into Court to tell a BIG STORY until five minutes before the post-arrest hearing began.

    And the reason the case was lost is because the Federal Judge pointed and excitedly uttered “Are you blind?” when I asked if a Court reporter was present at a different hearing. An aversion to disabled Americans with the mind-blindness of autism.

    MKDPs (a96a81)

  816. I just want to be abundantly clear, MKDP. I have yet to see any evidence of people discriminating against you because of your autism. There is plenty of evidence that people discriminate against you because you are a psycho.

    JD (5f0e11)

  817. “And the reason the case was lost is because the Federal Judge pointed and excitedly uttered “Are you blind?” when I asked if a Court reporter was present at a different hearing.”

    Mary Kate – If you are not a lawyer, why are you asking a judge such questions?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  818. And the reason the case was lost is because the Federal Judge pointed and excitedly uttered “Are you blind?” when I asked if a Court reporter was present at a different hearing. An aversion to disabled Americans with the mind-blindness of autism.

    And the reason I paid $49.00 to fill up at the gas station today is because the attendant told me $55.00 the last time. I understand perfectly, MKDP.

    nk (4212e6)

  819. And here’s the total bugf*** irrational waste of precious oxygen certified by a U.S. Magistrate Judge.

    nk (4212e6)

  820. I’m surprised the Coast Guard has not abated the two of them as dangers to navigation.

    nk (4212e6)

  821. Well played nk.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  822. Mary Kate – If you are not a lawyer, why are you asking a judge such questions

    daleyrocks, so your take on thousands of years of admiralty law is that a good faith salvor with a meritorious claim cannot proceed in a 9(h) action pro se? Wow. Maybe you should go help that Fowler White law firm go wrastle down Spain for their opportunist clients, Oddysey Explorer.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  823. Ho-Lee Kee-rist.

    My favorite part?

    “Plaintiffs’ Complaint is frivolous”.

    Repeated over and over again.

    “The court is aware of at least six in forma pauperis requests of Plaintiffs that have been denied by judges in the Middle District of Florida due to the frivolousness of the claims asserted

    Plaintiffs’ claim under Title III of the ADA is frivolous and should be dismissed.”

    “Not only have Plaintiffs failed to demonstrate their indigence, but the action is also frivolous.

    Nice find.

    We’ll just start calling them frivolous. They ought to be used to that.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  824. Mary Kate – That was not my question, was it. Don’t be a B_ _ ch as well as crazy.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  825. daleyrocks, so your take on thousands of years of admiralty law is that a good faith salvor with a meritorious claim cannot proceed in a 9(h) action pro se?

    No, that was the Federal Magistrate’s “take”. Her conclusion is the same as ours – that your claim is frivolous and utterly lacks merit.

    Like your arguments about the ADA. You fraud.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  826. Seriously, are you high?

    (But I repeat myself.)

    steve miller (724340)

  827. MKDP,

    At what age, if ever, were you diagnosed autistic by a doctor?

    nk (4212e6)

  828. I think it’s just an excuse, ranking up there with Münchhausen’s Syndrome…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  829. And here’s the total bugf*** irrational waste of precious oxygen certified by a U.S. Magistrate Judge

    Thank you for providing only half of the story. I’m still waiting for you to post the other half:

    1. Theron Hutto’s Case Management Report signed under FRCP 11 stating retaliation under Title II of the ADA existed, an issue never discussed or addressed by the Magistrate. Petrano v. Hutto, M.D. Fla. 05-cv-1182;

    2. Same Magistrate’s Amended Report and Recommendation, approved by Judge Whittemore, ruling that Petranos had a meritorious admiralty salvage claim. Petranos v. Vessel Mistress, 04-cv-2534. And Defendants’ attorneys Notice of False Testimony of Theron Hutto. id;

    3. Eleventh Circuit Judge Charles Wilson’s Order GRANTING IFP in Day-Petrano v. Altenbernd, et al, during appx. same time frame, predicated on Title II Americans With Disabilitiles Act claims in individual and official capacity and against public entity Florida Second District Court of Appeal.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  830. I’m still waiting for you to post the other half:

    Why don’t YOU post it? I’m sure we could all use the laugh, and I’m equally sure it was also dismissed as frivolous.

    an issue never discussed or addressed by the Magistrate.

    It was addressed, alright, and instantly dismissed as yet another frivolous claim. You two have quite the frivolous cottage industry going there…

    And to claim poverty just because you don’t want to pay filing fees (expecting the taxpayers to fund your attack-dog style of all bark and no intelligence). How fucking pathetic can you get?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  831. Mary Kate – That was not my question, was it

    What question? You have fired off a barrage of questions, as I stated, I’m not a mindereader, Drummerboy.

    . You fraud.

    Do you really want to bet over 900 medical documents in my possession on the fact you just made a reckless or malicious defamatory statement about me? Please restract your defamatory statement made w/o one shred of medical evidence to support it.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  832. And to claim poverty just because you don’t want to pay filing fees

    No, Drummerboy, I had to claim poverty because “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz purloined my valuable originally authored copyrighted writing to raise legal defense funds for themselves and Federal Court officials and employees by unauthorized distribution and publication of my work to steal the proceeds I would have been able to use to pay my filing fees. Somewhere in the Magistarte’s IFP calculation, she forgot to include an offset for this and require Oyer, Tarumianz, and the Federal Court to provide an accounting.

    Oh, Yes, and about that LEGAL DEFENSE FUND “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz raised from purloining my ORIGINAL COPYRIGHTED SATIRE WORK and their multiple count UNAUTHORIZED COPYRIGHT INFRINGING DISTRIBUTION AND PUBLICATION OF my work …

    “Flashy Gray

    Member
    Posts: 1290
    (5/18/04 1:00 pm)

    Re: CP
    ——————————————————————————–
    Petit – I am with you re: Cellos Pride Onslaught Legal Defense Fund bake sale!

    All you legal types need to start putting out the DIRT, the SKINNY, the POOP as it were, instead of typing/emailing amongst yourselves with your high-falutin’ access to expensive subscriber-only legal databases.
    * * *
    Towanda

    Member
    Posts: 1105
    (5/18/04 1:32 pm)

    CE,
    ——————————————————————————–
    I know. That’s why I’m so fascinated. P and K know her, too and remmeber that horse (but, once again, I had to make up some crazy story about how I know her! You know, the whole lawyer thing )”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=61&stop=80

    “donttouchthepants

    Member
    Posts: 732
    (5/19/04 9:29 am)

    Re: God … I wish I was the mouse in the corner
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    Damn pixie, are you trying to get sued?

    She’s mentally DISABLED!
    ______________________
    “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”
    Hunter S Thompson.”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=101&stop=120

    “QuietlyIrish

    Member
    Posts: 91
    (5/17/04 9:42 pm)

    Re: heh, almost..
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    How freaking hilarious would it be if TTR took up a legal defense fund for Erin and COTH? Would the world stop turning? Would cyberspace implode? Maybe I should just have another glass of wine.
    - Formerly Frankiedaman -”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=21&stop=40

    “PumpkinsMom

    Member
    Posts: 41
    (5/17/04 9:26 pm)

    That’s IT!!
    ——————————————————————————–
    …The line forms here for collecting for the COTH defense fund”
    http://p218.ezboard.com/fthetackroom17816frm14.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20

    HOW MUCH did “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz make from the COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT unauthorized distribution and publication gained from purloining MY ORIGINAL AUTHORED SATIRE WORK TO FUND THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE (and perhaps that of other Federal officials and/or law clerks who may have participated)?

    Oh, and I almost forgot — “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz refuses to account for having safely put my original authored copyrighted satire work in HER TENESSEE ATTORNEY TRUST FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In sum, What a MESS that Kosinzki Federal Courts Computer System WebSENSE firewall breach and setting the example for Federal law clerks to emulate of INFRINGING OTHER AUTHOR’S COPYRIGHTED ORIGINAL WORKS has caused all across this Nation …

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  833. I’m not a mindereader, Drummerboy.

    Nor a speller, nor a reader, dimwit. I’m not the one who asked.

    So I reject your frivolous comments in their entirety. Suck on that for a while.

    Please restract your defamatory statement made w/o one shred of medical evidence to support it.

    “Fraud” isn’t a medical term.

    Your demands are rejected as frivolous. Not to mention pathetic.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  834. And to claim poverty just because you don’t want to pay filing fees (expecting the taxpayers to fund

    No Drummerboy, I had to claim poverty because “AnnTM” aka Elizabeth Oyer and “Towanda” aka Elizabeth Tarumianz purloined my original authored copyrighted satire writing to fund a legal defense for themselves and apparently other Federal officials and employees stolen from me by their unauthorized distribution and publication of my work — which the Magistrate failed to address in her financial IFP calculations.

    You believe I should be paying for the government’s legal defense but the government should not offset such against my resultant need for IFP? That puts a whole new twist on Statists stealing private proceeds from a private individual’s intangible property. Ayn Rand would not like it. Not at all.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  835. No Drummerboy, I had to claim poverty because

    Blah, blah, blah. Your assertions of poverty were rejected because you have the means to earn sufficient income to actually pay the fees. Like the rest of your claim, rejected as without any basis in fact or precedent in law.

    That didn’t change the fact that you wanted Joe Taxpayer to pay your filing fees because you wanted to whine about how bad off you were.

    Poor little rich girl.

    Poor little FRAUD.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  836. Drumwaster Said:
    Like your arguments about the ADA. You fraud.

    The thing about your anonymity is that you revel in the fact no one here can see your past. Given your general demeanor on this blog, I will assume you transmit computer viruses, torture small animals and are fond of small children in a very bad way.

    It must also freak you out ANNTM (who must be a hero of yours) has not surfaced to defend herself. One would think if MKDP’s accusations about AnnTM were false, Patterico would have blipped each and every AnnTm post by now at the insistence of AnnTm.

    In sum, you grasp onto the libertarian/less government posture so you (and AnnTM) can do your dirty deeds w/o interferance.

    You must be outraged MKDP and myself hold onto the view Judge K did a very bad thing by eliminating the WebSense firewall. You are likely among those who profit in some way by the firewall being non-existant.

    If you remotely cared about the integrity of the courts remaining intact, you would be outraged pornography is viewed in chambers and law clerks like AnnTm go on blogs and commit crimes against litigants in the manner she in fact did against MKDP.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  837. It must also freak you out ANNTM (who must be a hero of yours) has not surfaced to defend herself.

    Never heard of her until you and your twin-in-law started mentioning her in every single post.

    So why should I care if she thinks your whining is as frivolous as the rest of your paranoid delusions?

    You must be outraged MKDP and myself hold onto the view Judge K did a very bad thing by eliminating the WebSense firewall.

    Not “outraged”. “Vastly amused at the contortions you are undergoing”. I can see how these things would look the same to you, given that you are nuttier than a squirrel’s septic system.

    commit crimes against litigants in the manner she in fact did against MKDP.

    You claim to be an attorney, yet you feel fine with throwing around criminal accusations like this without a shred of proof to back it up. More libel, sirrah. I take notice. So do others, so you’d better boil the computer as fast as you can get it into the pot.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  838. Drumwaster, Magistrate Jenkins did not have the AnnTM postings at the relevant time she determined MKDP and I had the ability to earn sufficient income to pay filing fees. The AnnTm postings did not surface until October, 2007, over a year after Magistrate Jenkins ruling.

    I have little doubt that if I had attached the AnnTm postings as exhibit “A” to the motion to proceed in pauperus, I would have prevailed in all respects and AnnTm would have been disbarred by now. In sum, how can parties (MKDP and myself) prevail in a court when the law clerk working the case (ANNTM) admits she has “an insane obsession” and intends to stalk in the real wrold and over the internet.

    AnnTm is the fraud. You perpetuate her fraud.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  839. You perpetuate her fraud.

    More libel. Guess you haven’t learned your lesson.

    You can expect a call from the Florida Bar Ethics Board. (I know you aren’t familiar with the word “ethics”, given your track record, but maybe you can have a three-year-old explain it to you.)

    You were warned.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  840. Drumwaster,
    You are the one who called MKDP a fraud in post 836 and 839. Now you threaten bar grievance when I return the favor by calling you exactly what you called my wife?

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  841. Now you threaten bar grievance when I return the favor by calling you exactly what you called my wife?

    I’m not the one claiming to be autistic, nor am I the one who is attempting to use the Judiciary as a cudgel.

    If she is, in fact, your wife, then she is your problem, and you are responsible for her actions as your employee and clerk.

    You really want to get into the difference between calling someone a fraud, and asserting that one is “perpetuating” a fraud (which is a criminal act – another libelous accusation without evidence, and an act for which you cannot claim ignorance, given that you were warned at least twice about watching what you are accusing others of.

    Nice backpedal, though, Mr. former-Esq. I’d get used to signing your name without that particular appellation, if I were you…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  842. You claim to be an attorney, yet you feel fine with throwing around criminal accusations like this without a shred of proof to back it up. More libel, sirrah. I take notice. So do others, so you’d better boil the computer as fast as you can get it into the pot

    and

    More libel. Guess you haven’t learned your lesson.

    You can expect a call from the Florida Bar Ethics Board. (I know you aren’t familiar with the word “ethics”, given your track record, but maybe you can have a three-year-old explain it to you.)

    You were warned.

    Drummerboy, you better be real sure you are correct in making such threats and defamatory statements. Because you are obstructing two Judicial Misconduct Complaints I cannot discuss further than to inform you my belief your obstruction is intentional. And I am not talking about any Complaints involving Judge K, who I always thought was a good Judge.

    Please retract your obstruction threats and defamatory statements.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  843. Drumwaster,
    like SPQR, you are pulling at straws.

    The fact is you called my wife a FRAUD in 836 and 839. Are you stating that it’s O.K. for me to call you a fraud in kind, but not O.K. to say you have perpetuated a fraud?

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  844. , nor am I the one who is attempting to use the Judiciary as a cudgel

    More malicious defamatory statements. Completely untrue. My attempts to pursue my Court cases have all involved access to electronic Internet formats for my assistive technology speech recognition device.

    By your statements, you would deny me access to get paid for horse training wages I earned, to seek the above access to my bar admission in two inaccessible State Courts systems, to seek personal injury recoveries, to seek a salvage award initially ruled meritorious by a District Court before the Court miscounted the time when a statutes of limitations ran by failing to address uncontroverted testimony under Oath.

    In fact, if you ruled the Courthouse entrance, I would be the only American in whose face the doors would be slammed shut due to my autism.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  845. Please retract your obstruction threats and defamatory statements.

    Not obstruction, merely the report of severely unethical behavior (to wit, libelous statements involving accusations of felonious activity without proof) by a member of the bar. Nothing wrong with that, is there? If, in fact, Davesque did nothing against the Canons, he has nothing to worry about. Given your history, though, I imagine I won’t have been the only one to point thee actions out to the bar review…

    In fact, if you ruled the Courthouse entrance, I would be the only American in whose face the doors would be slammed shut due to my autism.

    Not because of your autism, but because of your severe stupidity. But I don’t, so your failure to actually get the world to kiss your ass is due to your own incompetence.

    Are you stating that it’s O.K. for me to call you a fraud in kind, but not O.K. to say you have perpetuated a fraud?

    Are you stating that a licensed attorney doesn’t have a clue about the difference between those two things?

    Keep digging, Ashley.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  846. O.K. Drumwaster, I shall retract, backpedal and sincerely apologize for having made the statement made by my-self in post 842. Such statements are highly innapropriate in any forum.

    On the other hand, you called my wife a FRAUD on two occasions with no foundation whatsoever. You also inferred both her and I lack mental competence in countless posts. Please be so kind to retract your statements my wife is a fraud and/or incompetent, or it will be me who considers your actions to be libelous.

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  847. spell correct: inappropriate

    David F. Petrano Esq. (1119fd)

  848. I ask only that this debate continue until the comments go into four digits.

    To that end, I hereby declare every comment in this thread to be more defamatory defamation that defames my character. Retract it or else.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  849. . Given your history, though, I imagine I won’t have been the only one to point thee actions out to the bar review

    Interesting, w/in the context of the Volokh poster’s threat “can’t we CIPAV her computer,” followed almost immediately by destruction of my speech recognition disability computer by a Trojan horse-style attack, the following should be noted:

    Said Trojan horse apparently attempted to take control of my computer every time I attempted to do legal research for DFP, Esq. on The Florida Bar’s Internet website FASTCASE via Internet Explorer broswer (caused the cursor to flit about and blink to the point I could not make any research queries).

    When I brought this to the attention of Paul Hill, Esq., General Counsel of The Florida Bar, he informed me to use Mozilla Firefox instead … QUERY: is this because Mr. Hill and The Florida Bar knew the CIPAV Trojan horse was interfering with DFP, Esqs law practice, clients, and efforts to earn a living to the point Mr. Hill suggested a different browser impervious to invasion by the CIPAV?

    You go ahead and open THAT can of worms, threat-boy.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  850. When I brought this to the attention of Paul Hill, Esq., General Counsel of The Florida Bar, he informed me to use Mozilla Firefox instead … QUERY: is this because Mr. Hill and The Florida Bar knew the CIPAV Trojan horse was interfering with DFP, Esqs law practice, clients, and efforts to earn a living to the point Mr. Hill suggested a different browser impervious to invasion by the CIPAV?

    Or is it because he thinks it’s a BETTER BROWSER?

    Inquiring minds want to know. And want to push this thread ever closer to 1000 comments!

    More defamation!

    Racists

    Patterico (cb443b)

  851. Or is it because he thinks it’s a BETTER BROWSER?

    Good question, Patterico. But, no, it wasn’t that. Mr. Hill initiated an investigation into the matter and could not fix the problem on Internet Explorer, which previous to the apparent CIPAV Trojan horse-style denial of service/access attack (that went on for a number of weeks). Consequently, he told me to access The Florida Bar’s Internet website FASTCASE via Mozilla Firefox.

    MKDPs (493bdd)

  852. Patterico, thanks for the comment. I shall forward it to the Florida Bar when Drumwaster files his grievance against me for his allegation that I defamed him.

    Although I appreciate the fact this blog is in essence your party whereby the guests are free to take-off-the-gloves, I decline the invitation to do so. I have already fully admitted to drumwaster that I sincerely regret having stated he “perpetuated fraud” following his three unsubstantiated statements that my wife was a fraud. Drumwaster seems to think there is a marked difference between the 2 terms. I do not; nevertheless, I retract my statement because I find such language highly inappropriate in all respects.

    I wish to paste the below Drumwaster posts to demonstrate such conduct is vile, offensive and certainly not a necessary element required to go over your desired 1000 plus posts.

    In closing, I believe the subject matter of Judge K is a matter worth debating, as it raises many serious issues very likely to be discussed in future cases, law reviews, etc.

    Drumwaster said to Petrano:
    Post 86:
    moron
    post 113:
    goat-fucker
    post 623
    Further, I will expect to see your plans for turning yourself in for charges of treason for violating national security regulations.)

    posts 833, 836,
    you fraud

    post 839
    poor little fraud

    David F. Petrano Esq. (43c0b0)

  853. Every can of worms Petranos Esp and MKDP open is fun. Clearly the FL bar is in on the conspiracy. Who else could give the frogmen the correct directions?

    JD (5f0e11)

  854. Here is another horrible injustice perpetrated against MKDP. Be sure to read the judge’s concluding paragraph.

    BTW, JD, you’re not blogging while driving, are you?

    nk (4212e6)

  855. Not this morning, nk, and never in traffic.

    JD (75f5c3)

  856. Patterico, thanks for the comment. I shall forward it to the Florida Bar when Drumwaster files his grievance against me for his allegation that I defamed him.Patterico, thanks for the comment. I shall forward it to the Florida Bar when Drumwaster files his grievance against me for his allegation that I defamed him.

    I’m not sure why you’re thanking me, but the idea of my comments being sent to the Florida State Bar is pretty cool.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  857. Racists
    Comment by Patterico — 7/9/2008 @ 11:54 pm

    LOL
    The cherry on the pot-stirrin’ sundae. hahahaha

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  858. Please be so kind to retract your statements my wife is a fraud and/or incompetent, or it will be me who considers your actions to be libelous.

    Sue me. Truth is an absolute defense (I have every person whose name doesn’t include “Petrano” as a witness to same), and I would LOVE to tack you with triple damages for it being a harassment suit, and with the libelous charges you have made, I’ll have your hide for a doormat.

    As for the “goat-fucker” comment, you’re right. They are only referred to as “goats” while they are still alive.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  859. nk – Do you have a frivolous lawsuit count?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  860. Patterico, the odds that before we reach four digits that Petrano/MKDP will learn the correct elements of “libel” are pretty slim.

    About as likely that they’ll ever be able to file a non-frivolous action.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  861. Thank Allah MKDP is no longer terrorizing the residents of Florida that had the misfortune of being on the roadway with her. That explains the horse … kind of.

    JD (75f5c3)

  862. Racists.

    Add to that bigots, homophobes, jingoistic xenophobic ADA abusers …

    JD (75f5c3)

  863. No, sorry, daleyrocks. But next to frivolous, “rambling and incoherent” appear a lot.

    Did you get that Theron Hutto was their neighbor on the dock and that they tried to sue him and his boat? An action against a vessel used to be called a libel — I don’t know what it is called in modern admiralty law.

    So this self-proclaimed Esq., after he got his head handed to him at trial, came up with the “newly-discovered evidence” that his neighbor and person he was suing was not a ship’s captain but a roast beef carver, weeks later. That magistrate judge must have the patience of a saint because I would have held him in contempt and referred him to an ethics panel.

    nk (a3a945)

  864. nk – I had lousy neighbors like the loonwaffles. They called the police on every imagined infraction of village code on the block. The police told me they drew straws to decide who had to respond to the calls.

    It’s great that they ultimately decided to use admiralty law to try to seize their neighbor’s boat and were slam dunked by the judge. I can see why you need an ocean going master’s certificate for a docked boat, though. It just makes intuitive sense in loonwaffle land. The Petranos sem to have slipped a few mooring lines on sanity as opposed to their neighbors who may have slipped a few to a dock during a storm.

    daleyrocks (24dba4)

  865. My medical diagnosis is batshit bugfuck krazy. Krazier than a box of shithouse rats.

    JD (75f5c3)

  866. I hope this thread never ends.

    TLove (4a03a6)

  867. tlove – Tell us about those role playing outfits and it will go on for years ;-)

    JD (75f5c3)

  868. NK #858,

    You’re right about the link, including the last sentence. Footnote 1 was pretty good, too.

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  869. Footnote 1 was hilarious. But the whole piece confirms that MKDP uses ADA claims as frivolously as is apparent above.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  870. They are just saving up their energy so they can have a burst of all-out krazy later this afternoon.

    DRJ – Did you ever get those pics I sent you of the little angel?

    JD (75f5c3)

  871. And is it just me, or does everyone have a mental picture of DRJ looking like a really hot librarian? ;-)

    JD (75f5c3)

  872. No, JD, and I’ve been looking. I thought maybe you forgot but now I’m wondering if they were caught in a filter. Would you mind trying one more time?

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  873. JD, sure try to get me in trouble.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  874. I just sent them again, DRJ.

    SPQR – Only you can get you in trouble.

    JD (75f5c3)

  875. JD, that doesn’t mean you ain’t trying.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  876. Oh, JD, how beautiful. They melt my heart.

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  877. My angels, yes, they are beautiful. But since I am a completely partial and totally biased source, it is always good to hear from an unbiased 3rd party.

    MKDP and Petranos – Just because I am being nice does not mean I do not think that the Demented Duo is one of the most entertaining internet playthings I have run across.

    Tlove – I think we need pix.

    JD (75f5c3)

  878. MDKP is back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yippee !!!!!!!eleventy1

    JD (75f5c3)

  879. And is it just me, or does everyone have a mental picture of DRJ looking like a really hot librarian?

    I’ll leave DRJ out of this and just say *it* will get better when your youngest is about five or six.

    nk (a3a945)

  880. nk – I am a horrible person. That is beyond debate. My 6 year old asked to go to a spa this morning.

    JD (75f5c3)

  881. NK,

    I’ve seen a photo of JD’s wife and she’s a beauty so I know he’s not spending time thinking of me. But, for the record, I think of myself as more of a lawyer than a librarian. Maybe it’s the closet of tailored suits and lace-trimmed shirts …

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  882. Thank Allah MKDP is no longer terrorizing the residents of Florida that had the misfortune of being on the roadway with her.

    False defamatory statement made with reckless disregard by a person who flunked legal research and investigation 101.

    I do have a Florida driver’s license. Gov. Charlie Crist’s administration gave it back to me when two members of his Commission on Disabilities stated the Florida Dept. of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicle had discriminated against me by refusing to provide paperless electronic Internet access to my Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition computer.

    And as for the Judicial opinion you cite, Florida State Courts Administrator Elisabeth Goodner ratted out the Judge when she admitted in writing last October 2007 that Florida State Courts knew some disabled Americans rely upon paperless electronic Internet format computer assistive devices, but for the 16 years Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act has been the Law of the Land, Florida State Courts have not accomodated such disabled Americans, thereby illegally discriminating against them by excluding them from meaniingful Florida State Court access in violation of:
    (1.) Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act;
    (2.) Tennessee v. Lane, 2004 U.S. LEXIS 3386 (2004);
    (3.) Fla. Const., Art. I, sec. 21;
    (4.) Fla. Stat. Secs. 282.601 et seq., incorporating Sec. 508 of the Rehabilitation Act.

    The only pertinent word in your above statement is the first word, which indicates maybe you should be investigated as a suspected potential future domestic terrorist.

    MKDPs (3518e8)

  883. corr:
    “the first word” — my apologies, I meant the ‘second word.’

    MKDPs (3518e8)

  884. MKDP, no, the appellate opinion makes it clear that you are full of it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  885. Footnote 1 was hilarious. But the whole piece confirms that MKDP uses ADA claims as frivolously as is apparent above

    Thank you, as always, SPQR, for providing me the opportunity to inform you that my official Florida driving records were altered and tampered with as early as Jan. 2003, most likely through that Kozinski WebSENSE Federal Courts Computer firewall disabling by “AnnTM” to remove the entry in my records that I held an excellent good standing California driver’s license for 23 years, and before that good standing drivers licenses in several other states back to age 16, when I passed my drivers licensing exam.

    It is my belief “AnnTM” did this to induce the Florida County Judge and Florida State Attorney’s Office under command of then-Charlie Crist, to believe I had never held a driver’s license anywhere before Florida simply “gave out” one to me in July 2002 w/o any drivers license testing. In other words, it appears to be YET ANOTHER “AnnTM” case-fixing. In fact, I exchanged my valid California drivers license for a Florida drivers license in July 2002, and this privilege was accorded to me because I had in fact passed drivers license testing before and maintained a good clean and safe driving record for over 30 years in several states.

    MKDPs (3518e8)

  886. But if you are autistic to the point of ADA disability, MKDP, how can you possibly be sure of that?

    nk (a3a945)

  887. MKDP, no, the appellate opinion makes it clear that you are full of it

    No, SPQR. The opinion plus the case record, demonstrates I was given the legal right to have the court reporter prepare an official transcript w/o fee for my appeal. That the court reporter and appellate judge who wrote the opinion refused to enforce that legal right pursuant to Fla. Stat. That, with a hyperacousia-speech differentiation-bone conduction hearing impairment, and a vision and mobility impairments, I was forced to try to listen to the court reporter tape and prepare my own taking down of the transcript which a person can offer under Florida Rules of Procedure. Subsequently, the appellate judge ordered the official transcript, for which he never served a copy of it on me, so I was adjudicated on a transcript I was never provided in order to enable me meaningful access to my appeal.

    You really need to stop being such an A/B/C/D test thinker and step outside the box just long enough to ask yourself, if I could not hear well enough to transcribe the transcript, how was it I heard well enough to follow what was said at the trial? Maybe you need to read Duvall v. County of Kitsap, 9th Cir. and Popovich v. Cuyahoga Court of Common Pleas, 6th Cir. to flus out your “Remedies Class” knowledge a bit more.

    MKDPs (3518e8)

  888. MKDP, that is just incoherent nonsense. It shows your ignorance of the issues you make so many claims about. The case of your suspension had nothing to do with your other state licenses. The firewall filter would not have blocked access to a government website, a Federal firewall had nothing to do with protecting Florida databases, and the idea that a law clerk has the background to hack into a Florida state database is pretty comical.

    Your mythical stalker had nothing to do with the case, your behavior in front of a judge and the DMV did.

    Your claims just keep getting nuttier.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  889. corr:
    “flus out” = flush out

    MKDPs (3518e8)

  890. the entry in my records that I held an excellent good standing California driver’s license for 23 years

    Even if this were true – an assertion I do not grant – it is irrelevant to obtaining a driver’s license in another State.

    “Driving is a privilege. not a right.”

    It also doesn’t explain why you didn’t even bother to show up for – or offer any explanations for not showing up for – the examinations that were scheduled.

    You also couldn’t show a single instance of actually being discriminated against, nor any regulations, procedures or statutes that were credibly shown to have violated your alleged rights in the first place.

    A shorter version of the preceding paragraph = “frivolous filings”. (You should be QUITE familiar with that phrase, having seen it with your “photographic memory” so many times in your long and (*kaff*) “distinguished” career…)

    then-Charlie Crist

    Who is he now? Last I checked, he’s is STILL Charlie Crist.

    maintained a good clean and safe driving record for over 30 years in several states

    Except for the suspension. And the traffic incidents that led to the suspension. And trying to use the courts to get what you couldn’t be bothered to apply for in the same fashion as all of the other disabled drivers in Florida. (What, you think you’re the only disabled driver in the State? None of the others needed a court case – they just showed up, took the tests and got a license. You couldn’t, so you didn’t. And the judge agreed, THEN called you frivolous, to boot.

    Gotta sting, eh?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  891. Stings enough, evidently, to lead her to make up more irrelevant stories.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  892. Maybe it’s the closet of tailored suits and lace-trimmed shirts …

    EVIL !

    Racist

    JD (75f5c3)