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5/20/2019

Justin Amash Update

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:31 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Quick update: As anticipated, Justin Amash is going to be facing a primary challenge. He has also pushed back against his critics after asserting that the President had engaged in “impeachable conduct”:

People who say there were no underlying crimes and therefore the president could not have intended to illegally obstruct the investigation—and therefore cannot be impeached—are resting their argument on several falsehoods:

1. They say there were no underlying crimes.

In fact, there were many crimes revealed by the investigation, some of which were charged, and some of which were not but are nonetheless described in Mueller’s report.

2. They say obstruction of justice requires an underlying crime.

In fact, obstruction of justice does not require the prosecution of an underlying crime, and there is a logical reason for that. Prosecutors might not charge a crime precisely *because* obstruction of justice denied them timely access to evidence that could lead to a prosecution.

If an underlying crime were required, then prosecutors could charge obstruction of justice only if it were unsuccessful in completely obstructing the investigation. This would make no sense.

3. They imply the president should be permitted to use any means to end what he claims to be a frivolous investigation, no matter how unreasonable his claim.

In fact, the president could not have known whether every single person Mueller investigated did or did not commit any crimes.
4. They imply “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” requires charges of a statutory crime or misdemeanor.

In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.

P.S. From Justin Amash’s challenger Michigan State Rep. Jim Lower’s campaign website. Note what he leads with:

I am a Pro-Trump, Pro-Life, Pro-Jobs, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Family Values Republican. Congressman Justin Amash’s tweets calling for President Trump’s impeachment show how out of touch he is with the truth and how out of touch he is with people he represents. Amash has not only failed to support President Trump as the President works to make the United States stronger and safer, he has now united with radical liberals like Democratic Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib (D-Detroit) to try and bring down our President. He must be replaced and I am going to do it.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

85 Responses to “Justin Amash Update”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (779465)

  2. Well yes when you call Trump out, you get tons of flack. he knew he would be primaried, and surely his opponent will be well funded. He might lose. That’s what makes him courageous. That’s why other Republicans aren’t saying this stuff publicly (all but the crazy ones nodded their head at Amash’s statement).

    Dustin (6d7686)

  3. Yep.

    Dave (36d848)

  4. Read the P.S. I just added to the post…

    Dana (779465)

  5. I’m not a constitutional lawyer but I would bet $10 bills to donuts that “High Crimes” is defined in English Law or by our SCOTUS. I doubt the founding fathers just came up with that phrase because it sounds nice. But of course, the Congressman is correct. The House can define “High Crimes” anyway they wish, subject to Judicial Review.

    Oh and Trump committed “crimes” per the Mueller report. Why no specificity, Mr. Amash? Wouldn’t a better response have been “Well, Trump committed crimes. X,Y, and Z” – but we’re supposed to hunt for them.

    This guy is another FAKECON, who should run out of office on a rail. When you can’t get Mitt Romney on your side, you got a truck load of Nevertrumper nothing.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  6. And no you’ll never sell the American Public that a POTUS should be impeached because he ‘obstructed’ an investigation into a crime he never committed. Trump thought the whole thing was a witch-hunt, because it WAS. He never colluded with anyone.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  7. I agree with 2,3 & 4, although when there is no underlying crime found and this is NOT the result of obstruction, it is politically less meaningful, and impeachment is political.

    I think that Amash is being a bit disingenuous with point number 1, where he talks about crimes that were charged, as few (none?) of them involved Trump or Trump’s campaign. They were crimes (e.g. tax evasion) that were found serendipitously in the process of investigating the possibility of a conspiracy. This stretches the idea of obstruction pretty far.

    Since Trump’s obstruction was blocked by his aides, it presumably had little effect and so the underlying crimes he cites that were not charge is presumably due to lack of evidence, not any obstruction. Is there somewhere that Mueller states he WAS actually obstructed?

    I am a little surprised that Amash, after stating that actually violating statutes is not required for impeachment does not continue to list Trump’s myriad behavioral faults as legitimate grounds. A judge who tweeted as Trump does, or acted out like Trump does, could face impeachment even if he was otherwise squeaky-clean.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  8. Nixon, if you remember, talked of paying hush money, tried to get FBI to not investigate Watergate, told Haldermann to lie under oath, and did some other stuff with John Dean. Of course, LBJ was bugging Goldwater’s airplane and phone, and telling the IRS to audit all his political enemies. But Nxion got caught.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  9. “Since Trump’s obstruction was blocked by his aides,”

    And I don’t agree that firing was “obstruction”. We need to clear, Trump was NOT talking about closing down the investigation with his aides, he was talking about Firing Mueller and replacing him. Which in fact, is what should have happened. The other thing that should have happened, is that Rosenstein should have been fired, Sessions should have unrecused and limited to the investigation to what happened during the Campaign. Comey’s firing and anything that happened AFTER Jan 2017, should have been off the table. Sadly, for Trump, he’d surrounded himself with weak, selfish lawyers.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  10. The Congressmans explanation is circular logic and avoids that Trump did not collude and that even Mueller declined to charge obstruction.

    It simply does not matter that other people were charged with process crimes during the investigation. The underlying accusation of criminal activity allegedly committed by Trump during the election was found to be without merit.

    SGT Ted (9e64b9)

  11. Our Captain is safe: mustard on a cheeseburger is a high crime; ketchup on a hot dog, a mere misdemeanor.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. Again, where does the congressman list any specifics in that report that would convince that impeachment is warranted? Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t. This is just posturing.

    SGT Ted (9e64b9)

  13. Trump primary guy says Amash is united with democrats!!!! including arab named democrat! 9/11 guys!

    I know the burden of proof for racism with Trump fans is as high as possible, but why didn’t he say united with Pelosi? Kinda reminds me of how Trump campaigned on banning Muslims from the US of A (but you can’t prove he’s racist, say his fans).

    Dustin (6d7686)

  14. DCSCA, I love mustard on my burgers. Ketchup on a hot dog is gross.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  15. Again, where does the congressman list any specifics in that report that would convince that impeachment is warranted? Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t. This is just posturing.

    SGT Ted

    The report Trump and Barr are fighting tooth and nail to keep out of your hands? Just making sure we’re talking about the same thing.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  16. @14. That’s treasonous! 😉

    And in Pennsylvania, Heinz ketchup on a dog–on anything- is permissible.

    You’re not the Captain; Trump is.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Trump’s rally in Montoursville is fun; Biden’s in Philly was not.

    Weep JoeyBee. Weep.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. I never thought about that. I bet Trump likes ketchup on his Wagyu burger. I remember when all of Trump’s fans were freaking out that Obama was eating fancy stuff like that, golfing too much, taking a lot of vacations.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  19. @18. There’s a difference, he’s black; Trump is not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. Side bar: Trump’s rally not only has the Stones fro bumper music– but now Sinatra’s ‘My Way’ as well. Wonder what Frank’s family/estate has to say ’bout that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. he has now united with radical liberals like Democratic Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib (D-Detroit) to try and bring down our President

    Dustin @ 13, I thought he said Tlaib because both she and Amash are Palestenian, and they both represent districts in Michigan, and because she is on the extreme left. Does this make it racist?

    Dana (779465)

  22. Frankly, I was more troubled by Rep. Lower leading off his list by proclaiming his loyalty to Trump, first and foremost. How is that not a signal that his loyalty (or fealty) will guide his policy stands and principles, rather than those coming first – apart from whomever the president is?

    Dana (779465)

  23. Dustin @ 13, I thought he said Tlaib because both she and Amash are Palestenian, and they both represent districts in Michigan, and because she is on the extreme left. Does this make it racist?

    Dana (779465) — 5/20/2019 @ 5:33 pm

    Oh the burden of proof for racism is too high for anything to be racist.

    But yeah, by definition, if he lumped Amash in with someone else because both he and she are a particular race, of course it was.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  24. @22. Just keep in mind, in this day and age, that there are no patriots in Congress and you’ll sleep well. Any scent of RINO ‘resistance’ gets to play whack-a-mole w/our Captain on the TeeVee, in Tweetland and will be primaried.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. Ugh. I looked re-read how I worded my comment and see I screwed it up. Yes,of course you’re right.

    But again, when Rep. Lower’s lead-off is proclaiming his loyalty to Trump, well it’s kind of all anyone needs to know. Not loyalty to his constituents, nor loyalty to the Constitution, but loyalty to Trump.

    Dana (779465)

  26. Amash opposed military action against ISIS. Among other things. There’s a pattern:

    In 2011 Amash was one of six members of Congress who voted against House Resolution 268 reaffirming U.S. commitment to a negotiated settlement of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict through direct Israeli–Palestinian negotiation, which passed with 407 members in support. In 2014 he was one of eight members of Congress who voted against a $225 million package to restock Israel’s Iron Dome missile defenses, which passed with 398 members in support.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. In my head I sadi:

    Dustin @ 13, I thought he said Tlaib because both she and Amash are Palestenian, and they both represent districts in Michigan, and because she is on the extreme left. Does this make it racist? Does this makes it racist? Yes.

    Dana (779465)

  28. Oh that Condi Rice, she said “Donald Trump should be president!” She’s like Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee!

    Dustin (6d7686)

  29. Dana, we see it. But it’s one of those areas that the more you criticize it the more it hardens the hearts of Trump’s fans, who believe the race card has been used to destroy their political goals (and because sometimes that’s exactly what has happened).

    I like to think Trump was the exact wrong way to handle that, but of course Romney was a terrible way to handle it too.

    The GOP needs both its inherent classic liberalism and its spine, but the even more odd thing is that the very people who are leaders in the GOP will be villified the most by the conservatives who see their honesty about Trump as proof they are the enemy.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  30. (and Condi said he should *not* be president) My typos make Dana’s typos look like Shakespeare.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  31. I know the burden of proof for racism with Trump fans is as high as possible, but why didn’t he say united with Pelosi?

    Yes, I caught that too. It was off-putting, but this is politics in an era where the Democrat front-runner once said that Romney wanted to put black folk back in chains.

    I take it that the challenger isn’t the white glove type.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  32. Oh the burden of proof for racism is too high for anything to be racist.

    And yet the bar for calling anything racist is so low.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  33. My question:

    Who’s writing Justin amash’s material?

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  34. Who’s writing Justin amash’s material?

    I dunno, but happyfeet could be writing his opponent’s…

    Dave (1bb933)

  35. Oh that Condi Rice, she said “Donald Trump should be president!” She’s like Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee!

    No, but she is part and parcel of an establishment that ignored a segment of the population for decades, one that finally found a champion. The yahoos of the world may disgust you, but they organized, got their guy nominated over one set of the establishment and then defeated the other establishment wing, too. And the Establishment doesn’t like it.

    And, yeah, he’s not going to deliver either, but he makes all the right people unhappy. Sometimes throwing a tantrum is what it takes for things to change.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  36. You notice – or maybe you don’t notice – what’s missing from Michigan State Representative Jim Lower’s list.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  37. You notice – or maybe you don’t notice – what’s missing from Michigan State Representative Jim Lower’s list.

    Any hint of personal integrity?

    Dave (1bb933)

  38. Sometimes throwing a tantrum is what it takes for things to change.

    Hold my beer.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. 8. rcocean (1a839e) — 5/20/2019 @ 4:00 pm

    Nixon, if you remember, talked of paying hush money,

    Not for hiding anythning abiout Watergate, but fr=or jiding tghe break-in to Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office, and it wasn’t his idea, but John Dean came to him and claimed that E. Howard Hunt waa blackmailing him, (as far as I know, a lie) and Nixon agrreed to it to buy time – oh and John Dean had already given Hunt the money before he asked Nixon for approval. John Dean said nothing about Watergate because he knew Nixon had no interest in covering it up. He had only been interested, right at the start, in hiding the connection to his re-election campaign.

    tried to get FBI to not investigate Watergate,

    No, not to trace where the money that the burglars had came from so that it wouldn’t be connected to campaign – and he funds – was of two minds about that The idea wasn’t his, and in Silent Coup they say that;s asmoking gun for John Dean – Dean claimed that John Ehrlichmann suggested that the CA+IA tell the FBI that investigatng that would uncover something the CIA was doing. EHrlichmann was in ameeting and didn;’t know what it was all about. The deputy director of the CIA refs=used to lie to the FBI and that was the end of that. Once Nixon knew t was known that the burglars had been paid by his campaign and once his campaign manager resigned, Nixon had no interest in any ccoverup.

    told Haldermann to lie under oath,

    Where did he do that? You mean say to stonewall it, take the 5th amendment. I don’t believe Nixon ever said that, I think Hillary Rodham wrote that.

    and did some other stuff with John Dean.

    John Dean was manipulating everybody, because the Nixon White House had such a narrow chain of authority. Of course, LBJ was bugging Goldwater’s airplane and phone, and telling the IRS to audit all his political enemies. But Nixon got caught. Contemporaneously. Nixon coud not get anybody interetsed in the spying on the Goldwater campaign during Watergate. The Senate committee I think refused to listen to anything about that. I am not sre LBJ had his political enemies audited. I thought that was JFK. Nixon got audited. I mean in the early 1960s.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  40. 22. Dana (779465) — 5/20/2019 @ 5:35 pm

    How is that not a signal that his loyalty (or fealty) will guide his policy stands and principles, rather than those coming first – apart from whomever the president is? </blockquote. He wants to pretend he supports Trump on everything (because presumably Republican primary voters do) – but there is something conspicuously misisng from his list.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  41. he has now united with radical liberals like Democratic Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib (D-Detroit) to try and bring down our President.

    Well, hasn’t he? I can’t link it because the URLs contain a word the filter does not approve of. But you can Google “Rashida Tlaib we’re going to impeach the motherf***er”.

    You know, “racism” was also the first word out of Tlaib’s mouth when she was called out for saying that thinking about the Holocaust gives her a calm feeling.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. Pro-Trump, Pro-Life, Pro-Jobs, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Family Values

    What’s not there? Or maybe what two things are not there?

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  43. there is something conspicuously missing from his list.

    Pro-Luxembourg?

    nk (dbc370)

  44. 1786 book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Articles-Misdemeanors-Against-Hastings-Governor/dp/1164580744

    Articles Of Charge Of High Crimes And Misdemeanors, Against Warren Hastings, Late Governor Of Bengal (1786) by Edmund Burke. (reprinted in 2010)

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  45. Not for hiding anythning abiout Watergate, but fr=or jiding tghe break-in to Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office, and it wasn’t his idea, but John Dean came to him and claimed that E. Howard Hunt waa blackmailing him, (as far as I know, a lie) and Nixon agrreed to it to buy time

    Nixon had the same problem Trump did. He surrounded himself with Bad lawyers. In his case, Dean and Lee Garment. In Trump’s case, McGahn and Sessions. And Trump, like Nixon, seems to talk a good game, but never actually took DECISIVE action to stop the bleeding. In Trump’s case, the whole thing was such nonsense, that it didn’t matter. In Nixon’s case, he had many skeletons in the closet, and stupidly taped everything – it proved fatal. I have a hard time caring about Nixon, because he was a moderate Republican, who was no different from Gerald Ford in policy terms.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  46. Hastings was acquitted, but he was dead broke, not one of Edmund burke’s best moments

    Narciso (d8f070)

  47. Of course, John Dean said Trump-Russian was Worse than Watergate. But then Dean’s been saying that during every Republican scandal for the last 45 years.

    And no one ever seems to mention it.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  48. Only bad lawyers would have Trump for a client.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. He was an example, they resented how he had called a Soviet spy for 15 years, alger hiss.

    Narciso (d8f070)

  50. Ann Coulter in 1998:

    http://movies2.nytimes.com/books/first/c/coulter-crimes.html

    When the framers of the Constitution chose the phrase “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” to complement treason and bribery as grounds for impeachment, “they adopted a unique phrase used for centuries in English parliamentary impeachments, for the meaning of which one must look to history.”

    That statement comes from the report assembled by Representative Peter Rodino’s House Judiciary Committee, which framed the Articles of Impeachment against Richard Nixon. The so-called Rodino Report, entitled “Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment,” was the work of, among others, Bernard Nussbaum, who would serve as President Clinton’s first White House counsel, and Hillary Rodham, who would serve as first lady to President Clinton–the next president for whom impeachable offenses would be an issue.

    Here’s some history:

    * In 1666 Viscount John Mordaunt was charged with impeachment for the high crime and misdemeanor of making uncivil addresses to a woman.

    * In 1680 Sir William Scroggs, lord chief justice of the court of the King’s Bench, was impeached on account of “his frequent and notorious excesses and debaucheries” bringing “the highest scandal on the public justice of the kingdom.”

    * In 1701 Edward, Earl of Oxford, a member of the king’s council, was impeached for procuring an office for someone “known to be a person of ill fame and reputation.”

    * In 1881 the Minnesota legislature impeached Judge E. St. J. Cox for “frequenting bawdy houses and consorting with harlots.”

    Quite noticeably, all but presumably the last of these are not crimes–even misdemeanors–under the criminal law.

    She says it is a moral standard, not a legal standard. malum per se and not a malum prohibituum. It included abuse of power, encroachment on Parliaments’s prerogatives, habitual disregard of the public interests, persuading the king to give them excessive gifts (not in itself illegal) and maybe js=ust being unfit.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  51. Bad lawyers and bad women
    They been this po’ boy’s downfall.
    Bad lawyers and bad women
    For as long as I kin recall.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. 43. What’s conspicuously missing from Jim Lower’s campaign websote is anything about Donald Trump;s signal issues: anything about immigration, or trade, unless you want to read that into the words: “the President works to make the United States stronger and safer”

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  53. Trump had good lawyers after 2016.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  54. Whether or not you like Rep. Amash, this is pretty amusing about Rep. Lower:

    Lower endorsed Trump in October 2016, a few weeks after the release of the controversial 2005 “Access Hollywood” tape in which Trump made lewd comments about groping women.

    “He has said and done some things that I certainly do not approve of,” Lower wrote in a newspaper commentary.

    “However, his campaign is about America. It is about policies that will help the people in communities like the 70th District. Making America great again starts with putting America first.”

    Why didn’t he think this about Trump’s campaign *before* the p****-grabbing news was aired? What about it made Lower say, “Oh hell, yeah, I’m behind this guy!”???

    Dana (779465)

  55. And no one ever seems to mention it.

    Perhaps because outside of MSNBC and CNN no one actually cares about what John Dean said?

    And given that Watergate played out some 40+ years ago, I am sure there is a considerable number of Americans who have at best only a vague idea of who John Dean is…

    Kishnevi (a2d7ac)

  56. Dana (779465) — 5/20/2019 @ 7:08 pm

    Perhaps it’s simply a case of no one asked him to publicly endorse Trump until after the tape.

    BTW, I don’t think pairing one Michigan congressperson with another to point out their similar position is racist when it’s clearly being done in the context of local politics.

    Kishnevi (a2d7ac)

  57. Like I said, it’s unprovable. It’s also definitely different than a few years ago when the race card was nuts and bs most of the time.

    Dustin (6d7686)

  58. Sammy Finkelman (db7fea) — 5/20/2019 @ 7:06 pm

    When a Stormy Daniels Republican says “pro-jobs” you can substitute “anti-immigrant” and “pro-tariff”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  59. Pro-protectionism is certainly pro-jobs, but anti-immigrant probably not. Xenophobes don’t dislike immigrants because of competition for jobs.

    Kishnevi (a2d7ac)

  60. No Dustin, it was unseemly today. But “unseemly” describes our politics and it din’t start with Trump. If anything it enabled Trump.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  61. Pro-protectionism is certainly pro-jobs

    Not in reality. But in TrumpWorld.

    Dave (1bb933)

  62. “Why didn’t he think this about Trump’s campaign *before* the p****-grabbing news was aired? What about it made Lower say, “Oh hell, yeah, I’m behind this guy!”???”

    The surest test of a man’s character and commitment comes in how he faces his accusers. Especially the false and hypocritical accusers.

    But enough about Justin Amash, him what voted against Kate’s Law and architected many other Congressional Republican betrayals on immigration without an ounce of shame or regret. The words and life of a tool of both the Chamber of Commerce and the Communist Chinese should not be spoken with anything but derision.

    Patriotic Palestinian (b5377a)

  63. MAGA hat + smirk = racist

    Munroe (97810f)

  64. > I was more troubled by Rep. Lower leading off his list by proclaiming his loyalty to Trump

    Well of course he did. He’s figuring that this will appeal to Trump’s fans, and they’ll support him because of it — because Trump is the hero who is going to deliver revolutionary change and put them back on top of the world while sticking it to everyone else.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  65. There is a totally non-racist reason for Rep. Lower to associate Amash and Tlaib:

    In a pair of her own tweets, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) commended Amash for putting “country over party” and implored him to add his name as a cosponsor to a House resolution supported by dozens of Democrats but opposed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

    “.@justinamash come find me in 1628 Longworth. I’ve got an impeachment investigation resolution you’re going to want to cosponsor,” she said in a second tweet.

    Source: The Hill

    Granted, she probably knows Amash doesn’t really want her endorsement. But he hasn’t repudiated it, either.

    Eliot (32bbca)

  66. Trump couldn’t possibly have linked the two of them because of behavior like this…

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/19/rashida-tlaib-justin-amash-co-sponsor-impeachment-resolution/

    It must be racism.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  67. Eliot,

    you just beat me to it as I read the rest of the posts to be sure it wasn’t mentioned. Didn’t refresh before posting. Well played.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  68. As deep throat said in watergate follow the money. both amash and groper joe are commie chinese stooges $$$ Just follow the money. The chi coms are puling out all their paid running dogs.

    lany (80232a)

  69. rcocean @47. And no one ever seems to mention it.

    kishnevi @ 55. Perhaps because outside of MSNBC and CNN no one actually cares about what John Dean said etc.

    I think what rcocean means was that when John Dean is featured or quoted as saying that Trump-Russian is “Worse than Watergate,” no one seems to mention that John Dean’s been saying that for every Republican scandal for the last 45 years!

    (I don’t know if that’s true.)

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  70. Justin Amash was an original member of the Freedom Caucus.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  71. Prior to the gleam in Durbin and Duckworth’s eye going postal at batting practice, the Freedom Caucus was hardly a loyal Trump concern.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  72. I am a Pro-Trump, Pro-Life, Pro-Jobs, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Family Values Republican.

    He could have stopped at “Pro-Trump,” since he’s appealing to voters who long ago began defining Good vs. Evil in terms of whether a person loves Trump unconditionally. And even the mildest, most nuanced criticism can consign one to the “anti-Trump” camp of horrible people who can’t be credible on any subject since they don’t revere Trump.

    Radegunda (6db3bf)

  73. First line was intended to be framed as a quote, of course.

    Radegunda (6db3bf)

  74. So if the standards of impeachment are purely political, then the corrollary is that it becomes a political issue. “Should Trump Be Impeached” becomes the same type of question as “Should We Change Immigration Policy” or “Should We Have A Tax Cut.”

    Don’t be surprised if the reaction is political — like a primary challenge.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  75. In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.

    Lets try a hypothetical. The President proposes legislation that would involve major overhaul of regulation of a large part of the economy, let’s say health care. And that perforce affects the lives of many people in a direct way. To get what he wants, he blatantly lies about the effect of his proposal. (Just to hypothesize, he says, “I you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”) Congress passes the proposal (which is too massive to read), and two years later, it turns out that not only was it false, it was a knowing falsehood (lawyer-speak for a lie).

    Is this impeachable as “conduct that violates the public trust?”

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  76. @68. ‘Deep Throat’ [Mark Felt] never actually said, “Follow the money.” It’s not in the ‘Wood-Stein’ book, ATPM, but appears in the screenplay Woodward worked on w/William Goldman for the film and per a 2012 NPR interview each credited the other w/creating it. It’s not unlike the phrase, “You dirty rat!” – routinely attributed to movie gangster James Cagney. Cagney never said that, either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. @14. Postscript. Actually, ketchup mixed with cottage cheese is ‘gross.’

    The ‘tasty’ dish was a Nixon favorite.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. 77,14 that has to be euphemism for something

    urbanleftbehind (d28da6)

  79. Bored Lawyer @75.

    Q. Is [hypothetical or maybe not so hypotheical event] impeachable conduct?

    A. It depends on how people feel about it.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  80. Frm National Reviews Morning Jolt today:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/if-the-house-wants-to-impeach-trump-they-have-to-face-nancy-pelosi-first

    Reps. David Cicilline of Rhode Island, Jamie Raskin of Maryland and Joe Neguse of Colorado — all members of Democratic leadership — pushed to begin impeachment proceedings during a leadership meeting in Pelosi’s office, said the sources. Pelosi and Reps. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico, Hakeem Jeffries of New York and Cheri Bustos of Illinois — some of her key allies — rejected their calls, saying Democrats’ message is being drowned out by the fight over possibly impeaching Trump.

    Raskin — a former law professor — said he wasn’t advocating impeaching Trump but suggested that opening an impeachment inquiry would strengthen their legal position while allowing Democrats to move forward with their legislative agenda.

    Pelosi dismissed this argument, asking Raskin whether he wanted to shut down the other five committees working on Trump investigations in favor of the Judiciary Committee.

    “You want to tell Elijah Cummings to go home?” Pelosi quipped, referring to the chairman of the Oversight and Reform Committee.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  81. Dana,

    Now that I and Eliot gave a logical reason as to linking the two Congressmen, will you backtrack your claim of racism?

    I think it’s frightening how we are willing to accept the left’s every moving goalposts when it comes to tarring others racist.

    NJRob (5bef96)

  82. Ever moving*

    NJRob (5bef96)

  83. In Murrieta CA some people are getting smarter and beating others to the punch.
    Saying “call me racist, I don’t care” over immigration disagreements

    steveg (354706)

  84. JRH,

    He will land fine, just like the guys at the Bulwark. Some leftist benefactor will bestow gifts on him for continuing to attack Trump and help get leftists elected in the name of stopping Trump.

    NJRob (a5e74b)


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