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10/24/2018

More Explosive Devices: Clintons, Obamas, and Maybe CNN

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:42 am



Dana already blogged about the explosive device at George Soros’s home. Now there are reports of explosive devices having been sent to Bill and Hillary Clinton and to Barack Obama.

The Secret Service said Wednesday that it had intercepted packages containing “potential explosive devices” addressed to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in New York and former president Barack Obama in Washington.

The devices were recovered not long after an explosive device was found in a mailbox at the Bedford, N.Y., home of George Soros, the liberal philanthropist who is a frequent target of criticism from far-right groups.

“The packages were immediately identified during routine mail screening procedures as potential explosive devices and were appropriately handled as such,” the Secret Service said in a statement Wednesday. “The protectees did not receive the packages nor were they at risk of receiving them.”

The Secret Service said the package addressed to the Chappaqua, N.Y., home of Clinton and former president Bill Clinton was recovered late Tuesday. The package sent to Obama’s Washington home was intercepted early Wednesday, authorities said.

Meanwhile, as I type this post, CNN’s offices in New York are being evacuated:

The evacuation is taking place because of reports of a suspicious device.

What does it all mean? Nobody knows, of course — but that won’t stop lefties from blaming Trump’s rhetoric, or Trumpists from crying “false flag!”

It does raise a question in my mind, though. If you applauded the body-slamming of a Guardian reporter by a Republican congressional candidate, and if you laughed when Donald Trump celebrated that, do you approve of all this too? No? Then where do you draw the line? Body-slamming is OK but explosive devices are not?

Related issue: is the central question here the behavior of Bill or Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama, or CNN? Or is the central question the behavior of the person behind the sending or planting of these explosive devices?

I mean these questions to be rhetorical, but treat them as regular questions if you like.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

239 Responses to “More Explosive Devices: Clintons, Obamas, and Maybe CNN”

  1. Crazy.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. Patterico, I suspect there will be more of the usual crazy comments in this thread…instead of everyone simply saying that this kind of thing is always wrong.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  3. Sometimes, I am reminded of Richard Dawkins’ idea from MANY years ago that memes (not the silly images, but the idea behind the word) can be communicable, like a disease.

    If that is the case, crayzee is communicable. And we have no vaccines.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  4. What fools. Nothing could better fit the Dhimmicrat narrative of the backwards and dangerous Right than this. I would not entirely dismiss a false flag operation, though.

    I am glad nobody was hurt. Whatever the maximum penalties are for those who perpetrated this are not enough. I hope they rot in prison forever.

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  5. we seem to have a metric poop-load of political violence in this country where nobody gets hurt

    is this how other countries do it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. I’d be hesitant to jump to conclusions about any of this until the facts are in.

    David Longfellow (8cba7a)

  7. Let’s not wait to see who actually did it.

    If it’s okay to draw some sort of inference to those who cheered Trump’s body slam comment (which doesn’t include me) before knowing the facts, where do we draw the line on that? Do we extend that to those who approve of Trump’s “enemy of the people” comment, and from there to approval of Trump’s “hateful” rhetoric in general? No telling how far we can take this.

    Why don’t we just learn the facts, and go from there?

    Munroe (969dd4)

  8. I’d be hesitant to jump to conclusions about any of this until the facts are in.

    Who needs facts when you have a narrative?

    Dave (9664fc)

  9. we seem to have a metric poop-load of political violence in this country where nobody gets hurt

    It’s almost like some malign outside influence is trying to make all Americans hate each other even more.

    Who would ever do such a thing?!

    Dave (9664fc)

  10. Wont rule out false flag until suspect is apprehended. Anyone with z brain knows that it wouldnt get through the mail.

    Dan Eff (b272c5)

  11. CNN has already reported that a package with the same device was intercepted before it reached its destination at the White House.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  12. The report about the White House was apparently incorrect.

    Dave (9664fc)

  13. MMMEEeeeNNNnnnnDDDoooZZZzzzAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  14. CNN link and update

    With the original and the update.

    Too much rush to reporting and insinuation, not enough facts. That is the world we live in with the modern media.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  15. Call the FBI

    mg (a05430)

  16. Mr. mg made a funnie

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Here:

    CLARIFICATION: At this time the Secret Service has intercepted TWO suspicious packages – one in NY and one in D.C. Reports of a third intercepted package addressed to the WH are incorrect

    Dana (023079)

  18. In fact the Secret Service has issued a “clarification” that only two devices addressed to Clinton and Obama were found, so they may have initially given out the incorrect information themselves.

    Dave (9664fc)

  19. If it’s okay to draw some sort of inference to those who cheered Trump’s body slam comment (which doesn’t include me) before knowing the facts

    It’s not. I explicitly said we have no idea who is behind this. The question is whether you cheer these people being terrorized regardless of who did it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  20. Sarnathed by Dana…

    Dave (9664fc)

  21. I’d be hesitant to jump to conclusions about any of this until the facts are in.

    I would be, and I am. As I said in the post.

    What does it all mean? Nobody knows, of course — but that won’t stop lefties from blaming Trump’s rhetoric, or Trumpists from crying “false flag!”

    Patterico (115b1f)

  22. It could have been one of the middle-easterners in the migrant caravan!

    Dave (9664fc)

  23. Now these bombs have moved into the ‘tryhard’ false flag arena.

    Ingot9455 (68bf96)

  24. WH comment on Obama, Clinton suspicious packages

    We condemn the attempted violent attacks recently made against President Obama, President Clinton, Secretary Clinton, and other public figures. These terrorizing acts are despicable, and anyone responsible will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. The United States Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies are investigating and will take all appropriate actions to protect anyone threatened by these cowards. Sarah Sanders

    BuDuh (be5d8b)

  25. It could end up being a nutty professor… who knows…

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  26. Simon, comment #22 is a perfect example of your prediction at comment #2.

    BuDuh (be5d8b)

  27. Just now:

    Police confirmed they’re investigating a possible suspicious package at the Sunrise offices of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz Wednesday, on the same day that suspicious packages were addressed to Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama.

    Sunrise Police said they responded to the address of the office of the Democratic rep for Florida’s 23rd congressional district. Footage showed a Broward Sheriff’s Office bomb squad unit and firefighters responding to the building.

    No other information was immediately known.

    Dana (023079)

  28. The price of bomb sniffing dogs just went through the roof.

    mg (9e54f8)

  29. And Dawkins is full of memes, so as compared to the incidents after Kushner and Mattis and other subjects not worthy of note.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  30. Having worked on wealthy estates for many years, i know about cameras and microphones. Go to the tape and see who left it. Surely these high profile individuals have security cameras. Some of my clients have bomb sniffing dogs for security. Mary-Katherine is my favorite bomb sniffing dog. She is retired now after her tour in Afghanistan.

    mg (9e54f8)

  31. Remember the intercept contributor who send all those threats to synagogues as well as o e other israeli.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  32. Poodleman-Schultz got one!?!?

    All bets are off…

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  33. San Diego Union Tribune offices evacuated because of suspicious package:

    The San Diego Union-Tribune and other businesses were evacuated Wednesday morning after a stack of suspicious looking packages was spotted in front of the building they all share in downtown San Diego, police said.

    A police lieutenant reported the boxes, which were situated on top of a trash can, about 8:15 a.m., San Diego police Officer Billy Hernandez said.

    Reporters at the paper said they were told by Jeff Light, the editor-in-chief, about 8:35 a.m. that police were asking them to evacuate.

    Kate Morrissey, an immigration reporter at the paper, said she saw officers putting tape around the boxes, but she didn’t think anything of it because the coffee cart near by was still open.

    She’d been at her desk for about five minutes when she was told to go downstairs.

    She described the boxes as priority mail packages positioned near an orange pump.

    “If you think of what Wiley Coyote would push down on to make things explode — it looks like that,” she said of the pump.

    Dana (023079)

  34. what a surprising thing to happen in october of all months

    knock me over with a feather

    ha just kidding don’t do that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. *wile e.* coyote

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. This is from the Media so it’s probably fake news. If it’s not fake news than it’s likely a false flag attack. If it’s not clearly a false flag attack than it’s a frame up by the deep state. If it’s not a fame up than it’s not that big a deal. Also we should be talking about who is more violent. The left clearly started it and is worse. I think Saul Alinsky is probably to blame and he’s a leftist so they’re really to blame. They started the violence. Look at how rude college kids were to Ben Shapiro. Until the prominent Dems start bringing their side into line talking about this is peal clutching by the failure theater cucks. Let’s keep in mind some other specific examples of leftist violence. When you take all that into account and consider that Libs are trying to destroy the country by giving luxury cars to Illegal immigrants it’s no wonder that good people in California are rioting against the Dems. Hilly is a criminal that should be locked up and was involved in child sex ring out of a pizzeria. But of course I condemn this violent act so never say that I don’t.

    End snark

    joe123 (457a1d)

  37. Guy Fawkes Day is November 5. One day before the election.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Has any event the Alex Jones freaks called out as a false flag, actually been? It’s quite possibly the dumbest instameme that occurs anytime something occurs that might possibly be bad.

    Caravan–false flag
    any mass shooting–false flag
    Patriot’s win the Superbowl–false flag (OK, maybe this one)
    bad fries at Chickfila–false flag

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  39. I’m pretty sure that Alex Jones being kicked off all the social media was a false flag engineered by him to gin up sympathy and outrage.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. i was gonna make deviled eggs for guy fawkes day but no i fear it would be in poor taste

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. At least one of the reports I read claimed that the devices sent to the previous Presidents were of the same type as the one sent to Soros. If correct, then to me the likeliest inference from this fact — combined with the lack of any explanatory or credit-claiming message so far — is therefore that all this is the work of a single attacker operating out of distorted motivations.

    It should also be noted that multiple Republican officials, including Tim Scott and Mike Pence, have immediately and strongly condemned these actions.

    Stephen J. (f77922)

  42. Alex Jones is a cracked nut.

    mg (9e54f8)

  43. oops *now* i fear

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. Clarification : The San Diego Union Tribune office building is also where Kamala Harris’s offices are located.

    Worth noting that we share the building with a number of companies as well as a branch of @KamalaHarris office. Not yet clear who was targeted.

    9:03 AM – Oct 24, 2018

    Dana (023079)

  45. When do they check the cameras?

    mg (9e54f8)

  46. Alex is doing ok, here he is having a discussion with Ted Cruz

    https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1054503815548936192

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  47. No the shootings were real, but the narrative conjured by the joyce foundation was fake.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  48. Check the cameras, Please.

    mg (9e54f8)

  49. So, to recap, the targets so far have been…
    ▪ Soros
    ▪ Bill & Hillary
    ▪ Obama
    ▪ CNN
    ▪ Debbie Does Demogoguery
    ▪ Kamala Harris or the SD Union Tribune
    ▪ Fake news that the White House was targeted.
    Am I missing any others?

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  50. The real target is the American voter.

    mg (a05430)

  51. 3. Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/24/2018 @ 7:53 am

    I am reminded of Richard Dawkins’ idea from MANY years ago that memes (not the silly images, but the idea behind the word) can be communicable, like a disease.

    It really does look like a meme. I mean the target list is a meme. A fairly recent one. It’s based on some kind of a list and whoever did it really didn’t know much.

    One of the bombs was mailed to former CIA Director John Brennan at CNN with the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz on the return address (at the DNC?) John Brennan doesn’t work at CNN but at MSNBC.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

    Somebody was maybe using a somewhat old address list. The target list is probably based on some kind of list of enemies that is more recent.

    John Brennan is an enemy of Trump who had his security clearance revoked personally by Trump not long ago, in the middle of August.

    (The latest news from John Brennen: The White House and Saudis are Working Together ‘To Concoct a Story’ about What Happened to Khashoggi

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/17/john-brennan-white-house-saudis )

    CNN has got former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director Michael Hayden. Brennan is on MSNBC.

    So naturally, our bomber mails his bomb to John Brennen’s non-existent office in CNN. Wrong network.

    We should not be surprised that the bomber(s) is/are somewhat out of touch with things. It’s one of the job requirements for a terrorist to be stupid. Don’t ever forget that.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  52. this is probably somebody who’s super-desperate to get the head lice terrorvan out of the news

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  53. Kamalatoe! Say it ain’t so!

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  54. re; memeThis is besides the fact that the idea of planting bombs is itself a meme. As is the idea of targeting important people.

    Is there any reason to believe that the Soros bomb was placed in his mailboax rather than sent there through the U.S. mail? It might have been misaddressed and somebody had the courtesy to put it in the correct place.

    I heard the (incorrect) White house report, too. But it looks like the targets were all people to believed to be important in spreading pro-Democratic Party memes, as of two months ago or so.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  55. Is there any reason to believe that the Soros bomb was placed in his mailboax rather than sent there through the U.S. mail?

    Pipe bomb hand-delivered to George Soros’ mailbox, authorities say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. @50. Sixth device discovered -confirmed by Cuomo at presser- sent to his office as well.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. 9. Dave (9664fc) — 10/24/2018 @ 8:13 am

    It’s almost like some malign outside influence is trying to make all Americans hate each other even more.

    Who would ever do such a thing?! blockquote> You think it would be a Russian who could have confused CNN with MSNBC? CNN has more international exposure, I think.

    Also they didn’t have any other address for John Brennan.

    Or did you send that whle you thought

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  58. The Kamala Harris “bombs” were a false alarm: (because nobody knwos who is being targeted and how many there are, and they are/were still thinking maybe they were placed there other than through the mail.)

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-office-evacuated-in-san-diego-after-suspicious-package-found

    A police lieutenant reported several boxes, which were put on top of a trash can, about 8:15 a.m. local time, San Diego police officer Billy Hernandez said.

    Police immediately evacuated the building, which is also includes the San Diego Union-Tribune…

    ..NBC7 reported the boxes contained one shoe, two children’s books, one football, one empty bag of chips and one hat. The all clear was given by police just before 10 a.m. local time.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  59. While we’re spitballing as to who is sending these bombs, why not add Putin to the list of suspects.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  60. From link @56:

    The pipe bomb was about 6 inches long and was in an 8-by-10-inch envelope made to look like it was delivered through the mail, the source said. A postal inspector who examined the markings on the envelope determined it had been hand-delivered, the source said.

    Maybe the Post Office just was a little incompetent.

    Made to look like it was delivered through the mail but it really wasn’t? I would kind of doubt that now.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  61. Fen! Bless your heart!

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Everybody didn’t receove tehir bomb oin the same day. Soros got his Monday. Hillary actually got it it tuesday.

    And Andrew Cuomo? What’s he doing on this list?

    The bombs must have been mailed from New York.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  63. Fen, aren’t you on a ban. Oh, you’re at work today, different IP address.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  64. No pkg., addressed to DWS; the pkg., sent to Holder had address problem and return address was DWS hence it was ‘returned’ to addressee. NBC News reports possible seventh pkg. discovered at Congressional mail sorting facility.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. 68. DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/24/2018 @ 10:21 am

    No pkg., addressed to DWS; the pkg., sent to Holder had address problem and return address was DWS hence it was ‘returned’ to addressee.

    So theer wasa correct address for DWS. her Congressional office?

    But a wrong address for Eric Holder and John Brennan.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  66. I don’t think I’ve insulted you, but this may not be the safe space your looking for.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  67. And the heart of the horse you rode in on, Fen.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. what if next time all the bombs get blowed up and everyone gets blowed up

    it’s so scary and the fbi can’t do anything to stop em cause they’re too stopping russia from buying facebook ads

    and now we’re all gonna die

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. http://www.bcdemocrat.com/2018/10/24/us-explosive-devices-the-latest/

    WASHINGTON — The Latest on possible explosive devices sent to former President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton (all times local):

    1:20 p.m.

    NYPD’s chief of counterterrorism says the explosive device sent to CNN’s headquarters in New York appeared to be sent by the same person who mailed pipe bombs to George Soros, Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama.

    John Miller and FBI officials said a news conference the devices all appeared to be crude pipe bombs. The New York device was black and had wires.

    The Cuumo package or device not mentioned.

    Discovered too late, or false alarm? Or a coincidence?

    The Eric Holder -> DWS bomb not mentioned. Holder belongs with the rest (CNN is really John Brennan)

    Kamala Harris was a false alarm. The White House was some miscommunication by/in the Secret Service which handled two of the bombs. (Hillary and Obama)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  70. Are the bombs all the same, just like the professionally printed rent-a-mob signs that the Dems use?

    Ingot9455 (68bf96)

  71. Am I missing any others?

    it seems you have one too many on your list, Paul.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  72. I’m not a conservative but like getting my news and opinion from a variety of sources. I used to follow you over at RedState. You were one of the voices of sanity over there. Appreciate the continued sanity. God help us.

    JRH (f51cae)

  73. Fen, you are banned. I will pass on to our host that there was a glitch.

    Otherwise, shove your warning up your ass

    Fen is banned, effective now.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 10/23/2018 @ 9:35 pm

    Dana (023079)

  74. The fact that the bombs sent to Soros and Brennan had DWS return addresses, makes me more inclined to think it was by a right-wing hater with a sick sense of humor. It reminds of the left-wing nutjob who shot up the Family Research Council and then threw down bags of Chick Fil A. Sorta like a two-fer.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  75. Stop the whining…or get some more cheese to go with it.

    And the Secret Service and NYPD bomb squad say there functional but simplistic.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  76. Fen at 60:

    You know that the bombs are an obvious false flag — because, they were sent to everyone on the same day.

    OK, what gets you to “fake” from the fact the bombs are clustered? An assumption that nobody would be that stupid?

    Appalled (96665e)

  77. it seems you have one too many on your list, Paul.

    Maybe not, BuDuh. Scratch Kamala and add Cuomo, and then trade out DWS for Holder, but I’m still trying to keep track. Busy day.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  78. how about you just stay on topic and mind your own business

    I don’t think you understand how this works.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  79. This is beyond wrong. It’s also stupid. If you believe that the press, including CNN, is hopelessly biased against your cause, how does handing them a ready-made story of political violence — which they will use to drown out reporting of Antifa and loner attacks — help?

    It is so stupid that the possibility that it is indeed a false-flag attack must be considered. If that’s what it was, the inevitable arrest will bring that out. But I wouldn’t assume that.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  80. Possibly Maxine Waters, too, per ABC News:

    NEWS: Suspicious package intercepted by Capitol Hill police was addressed to Democratic California congresswoman Maxine Waters, according to three sources.

    Dana (023079)

  81. bone-chilling terror that’s what these bombs are meant to induce in the targets

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. Part of me wants to keep Fen around because he’s such a classic caricature of the most ardent and unquestioning Trumpalistas. It’s borderline amusing and, by golly, I’m learning new acronyms such as NPC. I’m at a loss as to what CoC is…Coterie of Cucks? Corrosion of Conformity? Council of Colonels? I really hope it’s not this one. Ew. Someone help me out here.

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  83. Code of Conduct.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. What could possibly crown the confusion? Trump will address matter on the TeeVee at top of the hour, where we can watch “how can I make this about me” at work.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. ok so on cnn they said if you get a bomb in the mail do NOT open it or play with it and don’t let your dog sniff it you should go tell a grown-up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. 20 minutes later, they’ll end up reversing that message and then:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh_DY3HS5kw

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  87. oh man Mr. leftbehind good reminder

    be safe everybody we’re gonna get through this

    most of us

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. ok so on cnn they said if you get a bomb in the mail do NOT open it or play with it and don’t let your dog sniff it you should go tell a grown-up

    footsies, I’m scared.

    Dave (9664fc)

  89. we’re all scared Dave

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. Wow,
    The ricin attacks/unknown white powder sent 1-2 weeks ago didn’t attract half as much attention.

    jb (a3c1bc)

  91. Wow,
    The ricin attacks/unknown white powder sent 1-2 weeks ago to Repubs didn’t attract half as much attention.

    jb (a3c1bc)

  92. CoC possibly being Chain of Command? As if Patterico takes orders from an unseen chain puller…Was watching an interesting video by Jordan Peterson where he explained that sometimes violent confrontation between men can be expected to happen because of how us guys are wired. Disagreement, arguement, fight or flight instincts, etc. I don’t cheer on Gianforte body slaming the Guardian reporter; it was a really stupid move made in the heat of passion. He apologized for it and admitted responsibility. Trump makes these tasteless jokes because he knows the press will clutch their pearls in outrage. Just like they did when Reagan joked that he had outlawed the Soviet Union and bombing was to commence in five minutes. I think Trump viscerally understands the dichotomy of the press/establishment response to a Presidential candidate saying “when they bring a knife, we bring a gun” and him making bad, tasteless jokes. Quite frankly, I think Republican voters are tired of having to wear a hairshirt.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  93. Whether a right-wing hater or left-winger or Putineer, we do know one thing: He (or she) is a bad speller (Brenan and Florids).

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  94. 89. Kevin M (a57144) — 10/24/2018 @ 10:47 am

    This is beyond wrong. It’s also stupid. If you believe that the press, including CNN, is hopelessly biased against your cause, how does handing them a ready-made story of political violence — which they will use to drown out reporting of Antifa and loner attacks — help?

    The CNN bomb was actually intended for former CIA Director John Brennan, whom the bomber mistakenly thought worked at CNN (he actually works, or appears on MSNBC)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  95. The bomber thought he was getting at the heart of the conspiracy to defame Trump, or maybe the Republican Party and he that all of his bombs would work, and so the defamatory political attacks would come to an end.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  96. I’m not sure how Cuomo would fit in except that the chief focus of his re-election campaign for Governor has been how much he is against Trump. So maybe the bomber believed them.

    And the New York Conservative Party has been running radio ads saying to support Trump vote Molinari

    Molinari, who has said he didn’t vote for Trump but didn’t say this in the debate last night and also refused to answer Cuomo as to whether or not he supported Trump, retorted in the debate that Trump had attended Andrew Cuomo’s bachelor party, which is the only new “fact” I learned in thd debate. Cuomo responded eventually that he didn’t support Trump politically. (The New York Daily News said that Trump didn’t actually attend Andrew Cuomo’s bachelor party but sent a video recording instead, but Cuomo didn’t clarify things that way. Maybe that looks even worse.

    Molinari accused Cuomo of being corrupt because of all the people who worked for him making calls from his office phone (!) who had been indicted and convicted but Cuomo argued that Molinari was corrupt because his wife had taken a job at a campaign contributor so that money went into his own pocket – it actually wasn’t so clear to me what relative Cuomo was saying.

    It is so stupid that the possibility that it is indeed a false-flag attack must be considered. If that’s what it was, the inevitable arrest will bring that out. But I wouldn’t assume that.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  97. 103. Oe comment at the link:

    the stamps were never postmarked.

    Somebody who works in the Post Office?

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  98. Here’s what I have so far:

    Soros

    Bill & Hillary

    Obama

    CNN (actually to John Brennan, wrongly addressed to CNN)

    Debbie Does Demogoguery

    Eric Holder (it was intended for Holder but returned to DWS)

    Kamala Harris or the SD Union Tribune

    The White House. Er, maybe it is the White House

    Andrew Cuomo

    Maxine Waters

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  99. I don’t think that FLORIDS indicated bad spelling – it indicates bad typing.

    The address was not handwritten.

    “JOHN BRENAN” indicates bad spelling. Also bad research. Also “SAW GRASS” in SAWGRASS CORPORATE PARKWAY is one word.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  100. @ Sammy – I seem to remember some news reports that NY State was allegedly investigating whether Trump cheated NYS out of taxes when his father helped him get his start in business. I believe the acting head was making noises like it was fraud and prosecutable when the statute of limitations would have long expired.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  101. Trump: Political violence has ‘no place’ in the US.

    …except when I praise it for easy applause at one of my rallies!

    Dave (9664fc)

  102. 108. @ Paul Montagu

    Kamala Harris/SD Union Tribune was a false alarm.

    Is Andrew Cuomo off the list?

    The CNN story that says the White House is 4 hr 12 min old.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  103. Paul Montague,

    time to update your list: reports now saying Cuomo’s package did not contain a bomb, and was not related to the other packages sent today.

    Dana (023079)

  104. 110. CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec) — 10/24/2018 @ 11:47 am

    110.@ Sammy – I seem to remember some news reports that NY State was allegedly investigating whether Trump cheated NYS out of taxes when his father helped him get his start in business. I believe the acting head was making noises like it was fraud and prosecutable when the statute of limitations would have long expired.

    Oh yes, Cuomo was talking of investigating Trump

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2018/07/19/andrew-cuomos-administration-investigating-trump-foundation/799904002/

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:al3xd-suMm4J:https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/10/03/new-york-tax-officials-reviewing-trump-family-tax-practices-637357+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/nyregion/proud-boys-nyc-antifa-fight.html


    Proud Boys Fight at G.O.P. Club Spurs Calls for Inquiry; Cuomo Blames Trump

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  105. It concerns me that an individual with the authority to prosecute people for alleged crimes would pose the “questions” even hypothetically. The only people responsible for “distributing” explosive devices were those [knowingly] involved in the distribution of the explosive devices. There is a standard for culpability for speech that is not protected – a standard that must be rigorously enforced, or we will devolve into an Orwellian nightmare. The most ridiculous term de jour is “weaponizing language.” Words cannot be “weaponized.” Words are just words, not weapons.

    Advocaat (edddfe)

  106. Well, they’ve been showing pictures of the CNN package, and has a printed, either inkjet or laser.
    Not only can they not spell, printers actually print Machine Identification Code, i.e. microdots, which you can track back through the supply chain, and if he/she registered it, this is a matter of a couple hours worth of detectiving, detecting, the act of being a detective. Almost all consumer color lasers have it, most black and white lasers have it, and color inkjets have it.

    I highly doubt that this person is smart enough to replace the firmware with a hacked version that removes it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  107. I don’t think the automated postal machines could mark that package. When we get Christmas gifts sometimes they aren’t postmarked, and this package looks a bit wrecked.

    This is either a well constructed bomb or a terribly constructed one to have not gone off in the USPS system.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (aa4cb1)

  108. @Colonel Klink – what are the odds that this doofus is a Aryan Nation/Proud Boy idiot who can’t count to 21 without disrobing? And how quickly will CNN et al label him a card carrying Republican? I give it 2 Mississippi…..

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  109. words are just words yes yes

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (f271de)

  110. apropos of nothing, can i just say that it’s confusing that we now have two colonels here? :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  111. bob corker will be so pleased the jews can get genocided on by his persian terror friends a lot sooner than he expected

    happyfeet (f271de)

  112. @119 Oh, it’s probably one of those types, or a militia of one. I bet he has a sweet mullet though.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (e023c8)

  113. 108. 113.

    yes it checks out, False alarm.

    https://13wham.com/news/local/suspicious-device-sent-to-gov-cuomos-office-in-nyc

    ‘Device’ sent to Gov. Cuomo’s office in NYC had computer files on it

    …”A preliminary investigation on the package at Governor Cuomo’s office shows it is computer files on the hate group, The Proud Boys, who recently appeared in New York,” said Rich Azzopardi, a spokesperson for Gov. Cuomo’s office.

    I presume the computer files are on some kind of a medium.

    It sounds like this is not BY the hate group, but against them.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  114. I’m retired now, 4 days and 6 hours at this point, kind of bored actually. I could just change it to “Wilhelm at Home”.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (e023c8)

  115. “What does it all mean? Nobody knows, of course — but that won’t stop lefties from blaming Trump’s rhetoric, or Trumpists from crying “false flag!””

    So would you say the ISIS flag on the bomb sent to Brennan (maybe their checks aren’t clearing now that Trump cleaned out their supporters) is also…false?

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  116. you should make some deviled eggs

    Guy Fawkes Day’s just around the corner

    happyfeet (f271de)

  117. There was also too much postage (on at least one package) – as would be the case if somebody did not go into a Post Office to mail it.

    At least two did not get their stamps cancelled (Soros’s package did not look like it went through the system and Brennan/CNN’s stamps were not cancelled. Did any?)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  118. Well, the only flags on that device are American, 6 of them actually, so I don’t know what the ISIS bit is supposed to be referring to.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  119. 127. Where’s the ISIS flag here in the picture?

    https://twitter.com/TasneemN/status/1055148343314259968

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  120. “If you applauded the body-slamming of a Guardian reporter by a Republican congressional candidate, and if you laughed when Donald Trump celebrated that, do you approve of all this too? No? Then where do you draw the line? Body-slamming is OK but explosive devices are not?”

    When a reporter repeatedly ignores orders by a building’s owner to vacate the premises, body-slamming is probably among the kinder possible actions. All legal actions by people with proper legal claims, of course, theoretically go all the way up to ‘death’, as Eric Garner discovered.

    We should be encouraging neither body-slamming or ‘civil disobedience’, as one inevitably leads to the other in an escalating fashion.

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  121. 131:

    Right here:

    https://imgur.com/7bMcHyz

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  122. So would you say the ISIS flag on the bomb sent to Brennan (maybe their checks aren’t clearing now that Trump cleaned out their supporters) is also…false?

    I *told* you it was sent by the middle-easterners in the Caravan of Doom!

    Dave (9664fc)

  123. How much postage do you need for a pipe bomb? It’s not something he’d take into the local post office to validate, probably, at that point, I don’t think the extra buck mattered, and like everything else about this attempt, it’s got doofus written all over it. I’d say a nice clean cardboard box, crisp and new with a printed label, would have been more likely to go through.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  124. Here is the ISIS claim:

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/738501/ISIS-flag-US-pipe-bomb-attack-Hillary-Clinton-Barack-Obama-CNN

    The “ISIS flag” is not on the package itself. I don’t know if you can see anything that reselmbes it on the pipe sticking out.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  125. This man is probably the one to read today on the likelihood of these bombs being real or, like Democrat ‘assault’ victims in Supreme Court cases, Macguffins surrounded by lawyers and PR flacks:

    https://twitter.com/thomasbsauer/status/1055145782200987648

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  126. It’s not postmarked, so you don’t kow where it entered the postal system.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  127. Right here:

    https://imgur.com/7bMcHyz

    I’m looking at 2 other photos, and a freeze frame on TV, that is a photoshop job, its just black electrical tape.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  128. Law enforcement didn’t release pictres of the CNN bomb – CNN did.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  129. 139. So now we have trolls.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  130. 118: At this point, any package that doesn’t have metered postage is likely going to get flagged by the post office regardless, putting something that misshapen into a machine would be rank incompetence.

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  131. Where do I draw the line? Well, it used to be accepted to horsewhip reporters and editors,mwhich frankly sounds about right…and about as far as things should go.

    C. S. P. Schofield (4455a5)

  132. This is the original photo. There is a reverse angle from CNN that shows something, but it doesn’t look like an ISIS flag.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  133. I’m sure with 5, or 6 or 7 or ?, we’ll have lots of internals so flaggate and be resolved rather quickly.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  134. 141: WRONG:

    Pardes Seleh

    Verified account

    @PardesSeleh
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    the isis flag is not photoshopped as i’d originally assumed. i got both of these photos as is from @cnn twitter accounts. they are simply two sides of the same explosive. this whole thing is getting weird

    Planeswalker (e925a0)

  135. Fen, I had already linked to the original that was zoomed from, and I don’t think it looks like an ISIS flag, but thanks for that.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (68437d)

  136. I’m keeping track of the bombings at this blog, so I can update.
    http://www.theforvm*dot*org/open-thread-da-bomb

    Paul Montagu (cbbfc4)

  137. Not to attack someone personally, but iirc Col Klink was always completely fooled by Hogan and his Heroes. Maybe it got better after he retired and got away from those scoundrels.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  138. any package that doesn’t have metered postage is likely going to get flagged by the post office regardless

    I have a crazy aunt who this will hit hard.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  139. This is the original photo. There is a reverse angle from CNN that shows something, but it doesn’t look like an ISIS flag.

    The reverse angle *does* look somewhat like it has Arabic writing on it. But wouldn’t CNN have shown that clearly if it was the case? It would be, like, a “scoop.” Maybe they had to run it past Journolist first.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  140. OMG… I just got one too!

    No, wait… it’s from my son who says he owed me some new walking shoes for Father’s Day.

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  141. #149 — I realize this is really bad to say, but Col Klink worked an awful lot with Nazis…you know, the people who literally supported Hitler?

    Man, he must be like 130 or something and he’s only retiring now? Must not have saved well for his retirement.

    Appalled (96665e)

  142. My money’s on a crazed, nitwit professor…

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  143. I’m guessing that CoC = Chamber of Commerce. It’s considered a branch of GOPe; both are full of cucks who take cruises together. See, e.g., this example: Chamber of Commerce will fight ‘the Steve Bannons and Elizabeth Warrens’ in 2018 elections, CEO says:

    Bannon, a former adviser to President Trump who has recently fallen out of favor with the administration and had to step down from his role at the populist publication Breitbart, backs several agenda items the Chamber is trying to bat back, such as immigration restrictionism and trade protectionism. Bannon has tried to recruit anti-establishment candidates of the kind opposed by the Chamber. Sen. Warren, D-Mass., has long thwarted business goals in Congress.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  144. @ Kevin M – maybe it was blurry/smudged enough to leave enough doubt that it was an ISIS flag. Or, they badly don’t want it to be ISIS since that would ruin the TRUMP INCITES VIOLENCE AGAINST HIS OPPONENTS meme they are flagellating. Giving them the teeniest benefit of the doubt, going with the first option.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  145. @ Plainswalker, re this from your #132:

    When a reporter repeatedly ignores orders by a building’s owner to vacate the premises ….

    That’s inconsistent with what I recall reading, having googled the topic as recently as yesterday. Link, please?

    In particular, what’s your support for the propositions that more than one instruction to leave was given? I’m also curious what support you might have for the proposition that such instruction(s) came from the building’s owner, rather than, for example, a business lessee or a business invitee, each of which has different rights.

    When a person entitled to withdraw consent for a business invitee’s continued presence on a premises so notifies that business invitee, he or she must be given a reasonable opportunity to comply with that instruction before being deemed a trespasser subject to self-help remedies. Do you have a link purporting to show the opportunity that was given?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  146. Hillary Clinton on TV now. Good grief that lady just won’t go away. She’s the gift that keeps giving. To the Republicans, that is. By the way, I’m glad the Clintons are ok, and I do mean that. But just wish they would take a long vacation from public life. Literally everyone would be better off.

    JRH (f51cae)

  147. clearly false flag operation by democrats as none of the bombs exploded. return address wasserman-schultz gives it away as most democrats hate her worse then republicans do. this is an excuse to bomb republicans. look at the history of bombs that don’t go off in the political arena they are NOT sent by terrorists but made to look like they are.

    lany (6a9100)

  148. The reason I bother to ask (#157), Plainswalker, is that I’m wondering if you know something that Gianforte and his lawyers didn’t.

    You see, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault, and paid his fine and did his community service per the court’s sentence for his crime. But if the factual scenario you describe were true, I would very, very much have expected him, through his lawyer, to have fought the charge on ground that his use of force was legally justified — which is essentially what you are arguing.

    And he didn’t; he instead pleaded guilty. He couldn’t appeal his guilty plea now; that’s over and done. And if the parties hadn’t reached an amicable settlement of the potential civil claims, the doctrine of collateral estoppel would have absolutely barred Gianforte from even trying to assert legal justification as a defense in the civil case, since he didn’t in the criminal case. He’d have had no defense to civil liability and the plaintiff would have been entitled to a summary judgment on that, with the jury’s only remaining role to assess damages.

    But maybe you’re smarter than them, in which case, I’d be grateful if you would share your knowledge. Thanks in advance.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  149. I consider myself part of Patterico’s Chamber of Commerce: I use his Amazon link, and urge others to do so as well!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  150. No way a Republican is a bad bomb maker.

    Gotta be a Democrat planting false flags.

    Plus they can’t spell.

    Bob the Builder (9af831)

  151. soros/clinton sy/op to tank the market to help democrats win. short market( pelham 123 movie) soros did this in 2008 and he hates wasserman-schultz.

    lany (6a9100)

  152. if bill ayres built these bombs they would have gone off! look for democrat operative false flag operation.

    lany (6a9100)

  153. @ lany, 159:

    clearly false flag operation by democrats as none of the bombs exploded. return address wasserman-schultz gives it away as most democrats hate her worse then republicans do. this is an excuse to bomb republicans. look at the history of bombs that don’t go off in the political arena they are NOT sent by terrorists but made to look like they are.

    Even assuming that the facts and evidence are as you say (and I don’t know that they are), one could just as easily say that this is a false “false flag” operation, set up by supporters of the President to try and make it look like Democrats are cooking up an excuse for further political violence. At least, one could if one were so inclined. I am not.

    For Bulverism is a truly democratic game in the sense that all can play it all day long, and that it give no unfair advantage to the small and offensive minority who reason.

    C.S. Lewis, “Bulverism”

    tl;dr: Let’s wait a couple of days until we have more facts in hand before assigning blame.

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  154. Sorry, my last should be directed to comment 151. It’s been a long day.

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  155. Good, because I thought you were talking to me.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  156. I was wondering if someone would take advantage of that opportunity!

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  157. Mitt Romney says bombs are wrong

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. (it was a major tweet he did in the tragic aftermath of today’s non-bombings)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. CNN: teh C-4 News Network.

    Colonel Haiku (d52d85)

  160. it looks like the democrat party just had it’s Reichstag fire.

    tommy mc donnell (26721f)

  161. *its* Reichstag fire

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. Bombs had no detonators democrat false flag as soros makes billions shorting the market clinton too!

    lany (106c1e)

  163. How much money do you folks think Soros has? He’d have to be worth more than Bezo’s, Gates, Buffet, and all the Koch’s to do a third of the things people babble his name at. He’s only worth $8B, that’s a crap load of money, but not all the money’s, some of those people are worth 10X him, Bezos 20X depending on the day. So isn’t it time to replace Soros with Bezos?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (a146dc)

  164. soros has a ton more money than that he just uses his foundation clinton-style so he doesn’t have to pay taxes on it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. Mitt Romney is a pro grifter going state to state peddling his dossier.

    mg (a05430)

  166. mitt romney’s a nasty symptom of everything wrong in america today

    his endorsement of doing a mob-like rush to judgment on people

    his callous disregard for due process

    his blatant dishonesty and amorality

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  167. He is a man without guts and nuts.

    mg (a05430)

  168. Soros foundation is only worth $19.5B and it’s an NY based charity, so it’s books are open, it’s a tax year removed, but you can look up what they spent money on through 2016. It was ~$800M but almost all of it was outside the US.

    That Tom Steyer guy is spending way more.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (a146dc)

  169. Bezos threw this bone recently, so he’s on some attaboy lists.

    urbanleftbehind (eed4d5)

  170. jeff bezos is a dirty fascist turdlord whose most significant cultural legacy will be the invention of unshareable books

    nice work turdlord

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. hatefulfeet: Your factual assertion in #175 — in between your usual expression of your feces obsession, which is as offensive as you intend it to be — is wrong.

    The members of my “household,” which Amazon defines to include my adult children and my ex, all share in a common Kindle library through my Prime account, meaning the six of us can share and indeed, simultaneously read, any or every book any of us buys for Kindle, for the price of one e-book. The e-book prices would be much lower than they are, but publishing companies refuse to permit Amazon to discount them below a publisher-specified price, which the publishers artificially inflate to keep e-book sales from cannibalizing their on-dead-trees sales; until fairly recently, in fact, publishers and Apple conspired together, in violation of the Sherman Act, to fix prices for e-books internationally and on every platform, which is why Apple has a federal antitrust compliance monitor on-site that must approve in advance all significant corporate decisions.

    Moreover:

    You can lend a Kindle book to another reader for up to 14 days. The borrower does not need to own a Fire tablet or Kindle e-reader and can read the book after downloading a free Kindle reading app. [However, a] Kindle book can only be loaned one time.

    And after 14 days, you always get the “book” back, making it again free for simultaneous sharing throughout the account holder’s household.

    Your apology to Jeff Bezos should be forthcoming.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  172. (I apologize for not closing my italics tag.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  173. yeah but what if you need to share a book about zombies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  174. no but thank you that’s very cool i didn’t know that

    i’m a learn up how to do that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. [However, a] Kindle book can only be loaned one time.

    in all honesty that’s how most of my book loans go anyways

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. (I apologize for not closing my italics tag.)

    Horde scum.

    Dave (9664fc)

  177. Soros’ money has been made mostly in international currency arbitrage and speculation. Bezos’ money has been made by providing superior goods and services at competitive prices with more convenience and superb customer service, and indeed Amazon operated at a net loss for many years until its economies of scale, logistical superiority, and experience enabled it to make a consistent profit, which in turn has now driven its market capitalization into the stratosphere. He built the proverbial better mousetrap, with free two-day delivery, and the market has rewarded his shareholders for it.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  178. Yes he broke the British pound in 92, he broke the reninbhi in 97, creating a recession in south east Asia, he is wanted for currency manipulation in absentia in france

    Narciso (d1f714)

  179. that doesn’t explain why debbie wasserman schultz wants him dead though

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  180. I wish the e-book had been invented about 50 years ago.

    I recently moved, which required packing up and transporting 60+ cubic feet of books (in addition to everything else). I probably threw out about 10-20% of my books too (old computer books that nobody would want today, language stuff for countries I never expect to visit again, anything by Ann Coulter, Glenn Reynolds, etc). I found I had somehow accumulated four(!) copies of the SwiftVets book Unfit for Command, probably they sent me some copies when I donated to them.

    Yet another bad customer service experience with Barnes & Noble (I own a 190 of their e-books) has convinced me to switch my future purchases to Kindle. I bought Sasse’s book through Patterico’s link the other day.

    Dave (9664fc)

  181. He’s like gene Simmons in that movie runaway, with Tom selleck and cynthia Rhodes

    Narciso (d1f714)

  182. Coulter has a good researcher, but she tends to over extrapolate those findings with dems it’s the reverse you have Elizabeth Warren on r the splc or the Iran echo chamber.

    Narciso (d1f714)

  183. Red Sox organization did Curt Schilling wrong tonight.

    urbanleftbehind (eed4d5)

  184. Looks like Megyn Kelly finally was too fond of chewing stiletto, at NBC,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  185. Zo the newspaper of record knowing publishes assassination fan fiction, where does that fall on the meme scale,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  186. If Al Roker was in earlier physical form, he’d have sat on her.

    urbanleftbehind (eed4d5)

  187. according to drudge the overwhelmed FBI’s now using two hands to count how many packages got sent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. What kind of blonde who wants to have two talk shows on NBC defends blackface?

    nk (dbc370)

  189. Why would you want two talk shows on NBC,

    Narciso (d1f714)

  190. You answered your own question, nk.

    urbanleftbehind (eed4d5)

  191. Good funny you made, happyfeet.191

    mg (9e54f8)

  192. What kind of blonde who wants to have two talk shows on NBC defends blackface?

    I agree with her original point, but then (probably like Kelly) I was raised to value the now discredited ideal of a colorblind society.

    To my mind, there is blackface and then there is painting your face black.

    In other words, there is blackface as used to exploit and diminish blacks in the past, and then there is (or there could be) blackface which intends no such disrespect and is simply a way of costuming oneself as a black person, the same way one might wear a wig to look like a blonde, or a kimono to look Japanese, etc.

    Dave (9664fc)

  193. So what of Al Jolson? His is a very complex story (I used to think negative of him, but learned he was actually a promoter of black inclusion in popular music and theatre).

    urbanleftbehind (eed4d5)

  194. the invention of unshareable books

    Besides Beldar’s observation of sharing methods that are allowed by Amazon, I’ll observe that the DRM on any of Amazon’s (or B&N’s) books can be removed with a freely available software tool, faster than happyfeet can say “turdlord.” If it REALLY bothers you, that is.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  195. I wish the e-book had been invented about 50 years ago.

    Dave,

    I’ve been trying to get my wife to use a Kindle for years. We laugh at your mere 60 cubic feet of books. That’s like 2 bookcases. If only.

    Recently we moved from our home of more than 20 years, and I, with my Kindle, only had about 1500 books to pack and move (or give away) (plus the boxes of SF mags and Silver Age comics which I plan to sell some day). My wife had more. After the move she asked me to order her a Kindle.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  196. That’s like 2 bookcases.

    Six, actually. Four of them monster Ikea shelving units. Something like 150 shelf-feet of books.

    After the move she asked me to order her a Kindle.

    If only we could trade in the paper ones for electronic…

    Dave (9664fc)

  197. Rather than comics and magazines, I had a closet full of boardgames.

    I pitched my old second/third-edition D&D stuff and my 10-year old Magic: the Gathering card collection. The latter was certainly worth money, but I didn’t have time/energy to sort through it.

    Dave (9664fc)

  198. This bomb story just got weirder.

    An image on the explosive device sent to former CIA Director John Brennan on Tuesday appears to be a parody of an ISIS flag taken from a meme that has been circulating on right-wing corners of the internet since 2014.
    […]
    A senior law enforcement official said that the image contained on the Brennan device that appears to be an ISIS flag is in fact a mocking parody of it. The official confirmed that the words “Get Er Done” were on the device.
    The “Get ‘Er Done” flag was originally created in 2014 by the right-wing parody site World News Bureau, for an article titled “ISIS Vows Retribution For Counterfeit Flags.” It has since been shared as a meme on right-wing websites and forums.
    World News Bureau is run by a man claiming to be from Scottsdale, Arizona who goes by the name Scooter Van Neuter and also runs the parody news site BigHairyNews.com. Van Neuter is a frequent commenter on right-wing websites like Breitbart and The Daily Caller, and his account was permanently suspended from Twitter in 2017.

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  199. ISIS sending bombs to a bunch of prominent Democrats (but no Republicans) didn’t make much more sense…

    Dave (9664fc)

  200. Hey, I’m feeling prescient @135. I was certain the ISIS flag BS was fake news, as reported by infowars etc. I’ll take the NYT over that filth every day and twice on Sunday. Plus the old Mark 1 eyeball works fine too..

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  201. the incompetent NYPD losers what CNN gave their hoax-bomb to said it was a real bomb but they were either incompetent or lying

    not a good look

    first responders lol

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  202. Eighth device found in Tribeca early Thursday, addressed to Robert DeNiro.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  203. hrm that makes 8 devices and 0 explosions

    hate has no home here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  204. Far as I can tell, all the pipe bombs were described as crude but functional except for the one sent to CNN, which means that if the bombs somehow got into the hands of a sendee or three, those political figures would have been assassinated. Why would a liberal false-flagger fella want to kill his own? For some greater good? I doubt it. This is why I’m leaning toward a right-wing nutjob and hardcore Trumpalista as the terrorist. So far, the number of political assassination attempts is at eight.
    My latest update: http://www.theforvm dot org/open-thread-da-bomb-update-two-more, where “dot” is “.”

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  205. Was the one that was destined for the White House the same crude design? If so, I’m leaning towards a chem-trails, 9/11 truther koo koo bird that hates both left and right wing politicians.

    CygnusAnalogMan (9c66ec)

  206. The one that went to the White House is #FAKENEWS!

    Paul Montagu (7b9e3b)

  207. So it’s like the last Ghostbusters and the revamp of the x files a dud.

    Narciso (a94ec7)

  208. Anotgher bomb went to Robert DiNero, and Joe Biden they said, got two.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  209. More detail on the “ISIS” flag on the bombs:

    https://twitter.com/elzosmid/status/1055234351368232960

    “it is a mock “Hillbilly” version of the flag captioned “Get Er Done” with 3 suggestive silhouettes on top.”

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  210. oh and zoe says her little stunt, was just a joke

    narciso (d1f714)

  211. @211. More like mailing tkts to ‘First Man’– less postage yet equally effective.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  212. I don’t know what they were thinking, gosling is likeable, although his routine with emma stone has gotten old, at this point, and Claire foy seems to be taking the emma blunt tack to alienate her audience,

    narciso (d1f714)

  213. So far it is up to 10 bombs, and I am not sure the CNN bomb is different from the others.

    1. George Soros

    2. Bill & Hillary

    3. Obama

    4. John Brennan, wrongly addressed c/o CNN – he is a regular contributor to MSNBC, not CNN)

    5. Eric Holder returned to supposed sender Debbie Wassserman Schultz, with her name misspelled as Shultz (no “c” and the address of her office was misspelled with “Saw Grass” as two words and not one

    6 & 7. Maxine Waters – two (2) packages – one to her office in Washington D.C. and one in California.

    8 & 9 Joe Biden – two (2) packages, at least one with the wrong address that was intercepted when it was in the process of being returned to sender (DWS?)

    10. Robert DeNiro.
    =========================================

    False alarms:

    1. Kamala Harris office in San Diego or the San Diego Union Tribune

    2. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (it was actually a USB drive with files about the Proud Boys that he had requested from a law enforcement source.)

    3. Los Angeles Times building in El Segundo, californa (this one did not lead to an evacuation)

    =======================================================
    Erroneous report: The White House.

    All of the real bombs have 6 forever future stamps on them and printed out adfdress labels, and are sealed with clear tape.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  214. OT, but because source documents rock, here’s the Grassley criminal referral, as redacted for public release via the Senate Judiciary Committee’s website.

    It’s a very detailed referral letter, with footnotes and attachments. On page 2 of the referral letter, Grassley asserts:

    That same day, September 26, 2018, Mr. Avenatti submitted a sworn statement to the Committee purportedly written and signed by Ms. Swetnick, in which she accused Judge Kavanaugh of repeatedly drugging women and/or spiking their punch with alcohol in order to render them inebriated and disoriented so that groups of boys, including Judge Kavanaugh, could gang rape them.9

    Footnote 9 in turn reads:

    Swetnick Sworn Statement, dated Sept. 25, 2018 and received on Sept. 26, 2018, enclosed below.

    The “enclosed below” materials do indeed include an email trail between Avenatti and a Committee investigator on September 25. But the email chain doesn’t demonstrate that it ever included, as an attachment, Resnick’s sworn statement, nor does Avenatti reference such a statement in the text of his emails.

    In other words, the attachment doesn’t quite do what the footnote promises it would do — that is, demonstrate that “Avenatti submitted [the] sworn statement to the Committee.” And the referral letter says the Committee didn’t receive the statement until September 26, without accounting for that delay. So, what, did it show up in the mail? Was it hand delivered? This looks to me like an attempted comb-over of a glaring bald spot: Received from whom, and how?

    Note well: Because it was made to comply with 18 U.S.C. § 1746 and included its magic language about “under penalty of perjury,” the [technically unsworn but as good as sworn] statement has “like force and effect” as if it had been sworn to before a notary or court clerk or other official authorized to administer oaths. This potentially puts Swetnick on the hook for plain old perjury under 18 U.S.C. § 1621(2). But that doesn’t put Avenatti in jeopardy for perjury himself. At most he might have some jeopardy under 18 U.S.C. § 1622 for suborning (encouraging) perjury, which is a much harder thing to prove (Avenatti being able to claim that he was taken in by her lies, rather than their author).

    But for either of them to have jeopardy for false statement under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, the statement has to have come from one or both of them into the Committee’s hands, as I read that statute.

    *****

    Most of the referral letter is, of course, directed to the truth or falsity of Swetnick’s claims, as are most of the attachments (comprising letters from the various boyfriends Swetnick’s managed to terrify over the years), and it’s all a fun read on that topic.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  215. Yikes, #219 was intended for a different post’s comments, in which nk had linked the news of the Grassley referral. I’ll re-post there.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  216. @216. Read the book; read it twice. It’s a better grasp of the Armstrong persona. If you’ve read any of the other more recent tomes quilled by Buzz, Mike, Kraft or Kranz it fills in the blanks. Chakin’s book is still tops.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. Breaking news in the last hour or so:

    A man has been arrested in Florida whom they say had a connection with the bombs. he sia former New Yorker wth an arrest record that included terrorist type things. The Justice Department will have a big press conference at 2:30 pm Eastern Daylight Time.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  218. The “bomb” count is now up to 12:

    11. Parcel intended for Senator Cory Booker (Spartacus – this was not aclaim to be Spartacus but to shoulder the blame for Sparacus in ascene from amovie

    12. Parcel intercepted at a Post office facility at 52nd St in Manhattan – New York, New York.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  219. Angry Native-American for Trump…

    https://twitter.com/NY1/status/1055850465605402624/photo/1

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  220. It’s not entirely clear but maybe none of these bombs would have worked. At least three definitely would have been.

    They had identical clocks inside apparently attached to no fuse. Besides which why would you use a timer on a pipe bomb sent through the mail The bomber could have no idea when the package would arrive. A mail bomb should be expected to be triggered by opening or starting to open, the package.

    There were at least 4 spelling or typing errors:

    1. John Brennan’s last name. (spelled BRENAN)

    2. Debbie Wasserman’s Schultz’s last name, (Spelled SHULZ)

    3. Florida mistyped FLORIDS – the bomber must have been really careless or in a rush not to catch that, or he ran out of paper.

    4. Sawgrass Parkway (spelled SAW GRASS, as two words.)

    Not to mention getting the addresses of Eric Holder and Joe Biden wrong, and John Brennan’s place of regular appearance.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  221. I saw the guys LinkedIn page before they took it down, or overloaded, and that seems to be entirely on point with his ability to write.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (374967)

  222. The 12th bomb was addressed to James Clapper He appears on CNN.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  223. Man in custody is named Cesar Sayoc Jr., of Aventura, Florida, aged 56 (born March 17, 1962) aka as Cesar Altieri or Cesar Altieri Sayoc, Cesar A. Sayoc, Cesar A. Sayol. (twitter handle: hardrock2016)

    https://twitter.com/hardrock2016

    He blamed George Soros for the caravan and recently (Oct 19) threatened TMZ saying they might end like “media slime Saudi Arabia.” (evidently he couldn’t remember Jamal Khashoggi’s name)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  224. I had assumed that CNN released the picture of the envelope (a very good thing to do, with more pirces possibly in tha mail) but I read in a newspaper that law enforcement had.

    The 10th package, discovered Thursday was actually delivereed Tuesday. A security person for Robert Di Nero was watching late night/early morning TV news at home and saw a picture of the CNN bomb for the first time and recognized that they had gotten a similar package. He called it in at 5 am.

    First to broadcast about it was radio station WOR 710 AM where a news employee passed by police on his way to work. WOR had the exclusive for about half an hour.

    There was also a mild false alarm (no evacuation ) at CNN yesterday. Just your ordinary run-of-the-mill suspicious package.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  225. * 225. Schultz’s last name was spelled SHULTZ on the packages. Leaving out the T was my mistake; leaving out the c was the mailer’s.

    Besides fingerprints, DNA (perpetrator’s or familial) and looking for where the envelopes and the clocks and other things could have been bought there are at least 21st century ways they could ahev used to try to find the perpetrator:

    1> These days most people carry cell phones that are active. The cell phone companies keep arecord log of what cell phone towers they pass. It’s not usually used for anything except sometimes locally targeted ads.

    If the packages were mailed from more than one location – if they were mailed that is, it would be possible (although very unusual) to try to get the numbers of all cell phones that were in the vicinity at the same time – and if there is a match between two or more locations, look at who paid for the phone.

    2> If the person did Google searches, either at his own computer or while logged into Google or Gmail (and a person may be more or less permanently logged in) look for someone who did address and.or name searches for all or most of the names of people who appear in this. Who looked for both Debbie Wasserman Schultz and zrobert DiNero – and maybe others who don’t usually belong together.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  226. Arrest report: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/nyregion/cnn-cory-booker-pipe-bombs-sent.html

    Guy apparently lived in van covered with Trump bumper stickers. Registered Republican in Florida. Lengthy arrest record including felonies, not clear about convictions.

    Plus the Twitter feed.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  227. They were saying that teh Soros bomb and some of the others were not delivered via the postal syste,

    In the case of CNN, yes it was delivered by courier, but what hapepns is that many big companies, to accelerate delivery, arrange to ahve their mail held and picked up at the Post Office.

    I had a theory that the packages were not mailed but inserted into the mail stream by someone who worked in post office mail soreting facility. We’ll see what they say.

    Before this person was arfrested, they had zeroed in on mail facility in Florida.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  228. Of course he could have been a deep-cover Soros sleeper agent.

    Kevin M (a57144)

  229. The mail facility they had focused on was in Opa-locka, Florida (near Miami)

    Sayoc was born in New York but didn’t live in New York (for his last few addresses.) He had lived in Edison, New Jersey. That may well be in the 1980s.

    In his 2012 bankruptcy petition filed in Miami he said he lived with his mother. (NYT)

    The package intended for Cory Booker was found in Florida (was it on its way “back” to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, too?)

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  230. “Just a reminder that:

    A Bernie bro shot & nearly killed multiple GOP Reps.

    An Elizabeth Warren donor mailed white powder to Don Jr. causing his wife to be hospitalized.

    Multiple leftists have been charged with death threats against Trump.

    Don’t apply political agenda to crazy”

    —- Benny

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  231. James Clapper has re-opened his yapper.

    Colonel Haiku (f2bc98)

  232. The bomb addressed to John Brennan and picked up from the post office by courier for CNN contained some powder. No idea what the sender thought it was. (at least that one did) Maybe that was supposed to be explosives. There was no real explosive chemicals in there they say.

    The attacker of teh GOP representatives probably drew his inspiration from otehr people than Bernie Sanders – the fact taht it doesn’t make sense to blame Bernie Sanders for inciting him doesn’t mean nobdy did.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  233. Coronello, has clapper ever shut his pie hole?

    Steve57 (7e5c1e)

  234. I used to be in the business of keeping secrets. Still am as ir is a lfetime commitment. Hillary? Hillary? It is a national disgrace for Clapper to drone on and on.

    Steve57 (7e5c1e)


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