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6/20/2018

Corey Lewandowski on 10-Year-Old with Down Syndrome Being Separated from Her Parent: “Womp Womp”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 am



This is part of the reason why a legitimate policy to crack down on illegal entry is perceived as a deliberate attempt to split up families: because big-time Trumpers like this guy are totally callous about the humanity involved:

Words cannot properly express my contempt for Lewandowski and people like him.

It’s only part of the reason, though. Another part of the reason is the way the media lies about it and makes it seem like that is the point of the policy.

Trump Separation Policy

It’s not a “separation policy.” It’s a policy of prosecuting illegal entry plus an unwillingness to release illegal immigrants into the country while their court cases are pending.

To the extent that people are claiming “asylum” there is a huge problem with people using our asylum laws as a way to be released into the United States even though they lack a valid claim. ICE is simply trying to prevent people from gaming the system.

The Trump administration has a valid basis for this policy. But it would help if we could get a little less gum-flapping and a little more shutting up from callous assholes like Corey Lewandowski.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

268 Responses to “Corey Lewandowski on 10-Year-Old with Down Syndrome Being Separated from Her Parent: “Womp Womp””

  1. But manafort, who is getting the Andy dufresnr treatment.
    How about Peter finds incitement to assault against secretary nielsen?

    Narciso (af5641)

  2. …it would help if we could get a little less gum-flapping and a little more shutting up from callous assholes like Corey Lewandowski.

    Good luck with that.

    Gryph (08c844)

  3. Unconscionable.

    Ed from SFV (0175b5)

  4. Wow. Every time I think I’m beginning to understand you, something like this happens and you end up doing something like whining about the PR handling of the caging of Donnie’s Kids.

    We’ll never agree about immigration. That’s fine. But defending this inhumanity is morally appalling, and whining that the policy’s defenders are actually being honest about their motivations seems to demonstrate that your main issue is that they’re not lying enough for you.

    fizzle (51fdf0)

  5. The left is emboldened as it was the montage of Sanford Baltimore and ferguson,

    Narciso (af5641)

  6. . . . the caging of Donnie’s Kids.

    Well, golly, we haven’t yet had time to complete the Ritz-Carlton resort at the border to house them. Do you think it would be better to let them roam around the grounds unfettered?

    Oh, whom am I kidding? You obviously believe that we should release the adult with the minor child — even if the adult is a coyote working for a narco gang and the kid is about to be sold into prostitution or drafted into the gang — with a strict admonishment to report back in six months for their amnesty hearing.

    JVW (42615e)

  7. So the official words of secretary Nielsen don’t suffice, but some off handed comment do weigh into the calculation

    Narciso (af5641)

  8. When they start ambushing ice agents you’ll apportion the blame accordingly.

    Narciso (af5641)

  9. Yep, Lewandowski is a nitwit. It’s interesting to see what’s of interest and what doesn’t make the cut here.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  10. > even if the adult is a coyote working for a narco gang

    I guess there is a sucker born every minute.

    fizzle (51fdf0)

  11. I noted on the other thread that thirty prevent seem to be brought in by smugglers, give or take,

    Narciso (af5641)

  12. Why bother with legislations or rules

    https://thefederalist.com/2018/06

    Narciso (af5641)

  13. Oh this guy is the source:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.co

    Narciso (af5641)

  14. Build the wall and people will shut the fu@@ up.

    mg (9e54f8)

  15. So we’re relying on the tweaker Hillary staffer as an authority.

    Narciso (af5641)

  16. The whole point is to prevent from building the wall, from any immigration enforcement.

    Narciso (af5641)

  17. I had to look up Womp Womp, which the Urban Dictionary defines as “A lighthearted phrase that indicates a loss; A sound of loss heard on a gameshow (first womp is a higher frequency sound than the second womp).” It is sad and weird to me that he had that response. I can usually identify with some aspect of human behavior, even behavior I don’t like. But this is incredibly callous and self-centered, even for politics, and I don’t think it helps the Administration.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. How about declaring open season on ice agents calling holding facilities concentration camps?

    Narciso (af5641)

  19. Did you know that Los Angeles County does the SAME THING! As does every other city and county in the USA.

    When a custodial parent is arrested, the kids are “separated” from them (i.e. they don’t go into adult lockup) and are placed into the caring hands of Child Services.

    AND THIS IS MY MAIN PROBLEM with Trump. He can’t think on his feet, or sitting down, or with a room full of advisors. He has utterly no experience with having to defend himself, and when attacked all he knows how to do is bluster, lie and sulk.

    Time and time again, he resembles an overturned Brinks truck, defenseless and vulnerable as the vultures pick his pockets yet again.

    He can’t even muster a “There you go again.” Meh. The policy is right, it’s defensible and it makes all kinds of sense, but the administration’s inability to HAVE a message, let along get it out, is constantly frustrating. You cannot blame the MSM for the Administration’s incompetence.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. It certainly doesn’t help. I have friends who as parents have special needs kids and one couple who had their early 30s son who had Down Syndrome pass away a couple of years ago. These people are special in so many ways and they light up the lives of those who care for them.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  21. It was a particularly callous and heartless thing to say.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  22. The tweaker throws out another apocryphal incident, and one is so supposed to act with equipoise we know the left’s so called civility with down syndrome, they want to put them on death panels.

    Narciso (af5641)

  23. I guess there is a sucker born every minute.

    And there is a new dipshit commenter on this site every week.

    JVW (42615e)

  24. Seems that ICE separated the kid from mom because she was a witness in a trafficking case. The guy driving the car. The other kids were placed with an aunt.

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  25. Semantics. Whether you call it a policy or not, separating children from their parents is the practical result, and it’s morally unacceptable, IMO.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  26. Patterico–

    You hear Cory speak, because it hurts Trump, and solely for that reason. There might be many cogent voices backing this policy but the MSM ignores them and focuses on the froth. Go read any article and all you hear about Trump’s defenders is they slink and slither and hide their faces when confronted with The Truth.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  27. If only we could go back to the kid-friendly Obama days….

    “The Associated Press reported two years ago that in April 2014 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services relaxed its safety standards to promptly move migrant children out of government shelters and into sponsors’ homes when waves of illegal aliens surged across the southern border.

    However, according to the AP’s reporting, the lowered standards resulted in children landing in unsafe homes where they were “sexually assaulted, starved or forced to work for little or no pay.”

    The AP found almost 30 children who were placed with “caregivers” who exposed them to sexual abuse, labor trafficking, abuse or neglect.

    HHS lowered standards by ceasing required fingerprinting of much of the adults claiming children as theirs. In April 2014, HHS ceased asking for original copies of birth certificates from most sponsors to prove who they were.

    In May 2014, the AP noted, HHS stopped filling out forms that asked for sponsors’ identifying information prior to placing any of the children in the sponsors’ residence. Finally, the agency ended FBI background checks of the caregivers they were sending the migrant children to.

    HHS estimated that around 90,000 migrant children were placed into sponsor care between 2013 and 2015, but the agency did not know how many of those children were trafficked because the department failed to keep track of them after their placement.“

    harkin (e5c973)

  28. Semantics. Whether you call it a policy or not, separating children from their parents is the practical result, and it’s morally unacceptable, IMO.

    OK, Paul. When mom and dad are arrested for selling crank, should the kids go into the city jail with them? If not, what would you do? Currently we “separate them from their parents” and send them off to social services.

    WHICH IS EXACTLY what is happening here. Their parents committed a crime, and the government intends to prosecute them. Obama would let them all go on their own recognizance and guess how many of them showed up to their court date. None.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  29. Lewandowski didn’t say “womp womp”, he said “wah wah”. Simulating crying aloud. Sarcastically.

    Not that it matters either way. He wasn’t talking about the girl, he was talking about the tactic. The left trying to avoid the topic of criminality and talk about the individual children the criminal parents are trying to use to shield themselves from the consequences of their actions.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  30. President Trump is preparing to issue an executive order as soon as Wednesday that ends the separation of families at the border by indefinitely detaining parents and children together, according to a person familiar with the White House plans. nyt

    “We’re going to be signing an executive order in a little while,” Mr. Trump said Wednesday. “We’ve got to be keeping families together.” (said the Prez)

    Q! (86710c)

  31. ‘It’s not a “separation policy.” It’s a policy of prosecuting illegal entry plus an unwillingness to release illegal immigrants into the country while their court cases are pending… The Trump administration has a valid basis for this policy. But it would help if we could get a little less gum-flapping and a little more shutting up from callous assholes like Corey Lewandowski.

    Too late. Media wins.

    “Zero tolerance” grows intolerable; our Captain caves cuz kiddies cry. Will sign E.O. to keep ‘families together.’ “We don’t wan’t crying in this country,” declares Trump during press scrum.

    Got that, kids?!?!? Just cry long enough and loud enogh, make a telegenic scene… and parents cave.

    Did Reagan cave w/t ATC strike? No. Has Trump caved on ‘zero tolerance’? Yes.

    Kim purrs. And Putin smiles…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. So, the new rule is “people with children can never be arrested”?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  33. DCSCA has a point: Trump doesn’t have the wit to play this game. Sadly, though, we only have one president at a time. At least it isn’t Hillary who would be taxing us for the kid’s braces.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  34. Too late Disco, you were a first mover, admittedly I was the first to predict an electoral victory on Election Day AM.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  35. Corey Lewandowski addresses comment on family separations

    Former Trump campaign manager says he was mocking his liberal debate partner Zac Petkanas for ‘politicizing’ the immigration issue by making an example of a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5799739356001/?#sp=show-clips

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  36. Semantics. Whether you call it a policy or not, separating children from their parents is the practical result, and it’s morally unacceptable, IMO.
    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 9:22 am

    Do you feel the same way about all criminals, or just illegal aliens?

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  37. Depends on the depravity or direct bodily harm the domestic criminal has done, admittedly the moves toward non-prosecution and non-incarceration of non-violent offenders have this indirect benefit of not separating family members (reducing costs associated with maintaining correctional facilities and court proceedings is the main driver, however).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  38. One of the postulates of the Flight 93 Article was that the flaws of Trump protected him from being brought down or forced to reverse course by this sort of political noise, because people who hate Trump aren’t going to be driven to think worse of Trump by some scandal or gaucherie, and people who voted for him knew he was going to be the way he is, so they will stay in place even with the scandal or the gaucherie.

    This is precisely where that theory could go wrong. Trump has a lot of hangers on that glory in being reprehensible, and use their callousness as a form of virtue signaling. That kind of gleeful awfulness provides support for those who think any Trump policy is the literal equivalent of Hitler. It crowds out any rational discussion of the issue, or even a reasoned discussion of the laws being broken, the likely result of a law being broken, and whether immigrants allowing themselves to be coerced into quick guilty pleas fully understand the consequences.

    I am divided on the policy in play here. I think the Trump folks wanted some noise on this policy, not just for domestic reasons, but to encourage people who want to cross the border illegally to stay home. Illegal crossing data suggests that numbers making the crossing have increased in the last few months. I think DJT (or Sessions or Kelly) likely noticed, and wanted something done about that. This policy is the something. And Trump believes being a full-bore jerk helps him, so it’s not surprising that he is endorsing a very visual awfulness.

    Appalled (96665e)

  39. Lewandowski is a jerk. I’d tell him that to his face.

    The policy is correct. Congress should pass a law deporting anyone immediately who doesn’t present themselves at a lawful port of entry. Criminal aliens do not deserve special privileges. Follow the law.

    NJRob (b00189)

  40. DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen should most definitely not eat at restaurants. Even if the other customers leave her alone and there are no protesters, there ares still the people who prepare and serve her food to worry about.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. @21. It was a particularly callous and heartless thing to say.

    =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Womp womp.

    Yet quite an attention grabber; entertaining and in the end, meaningless, particularly given the source. Plenty of heat for TeeVee viewers and web watchers but very little light.

    Watch the World Cup, Colonel. Or just turn off the box and go for a walk.

    This is the society we’ve created.

    “You’re television incarnate, Diana: Indifferent to suffering; insensitive to joy. All of life is reduced to the common rubble of banality. War, murder, death are all the same to you as bottles of beer. And the daily business of life is a corrupt comedy. You even shatter the sensations of time and space into split seconds and instant replays. You’re madness, Diana. Virulent madness. And everything you touch dies with you.” – Max Schumacher [William Holden] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. And in a Mexican restaurant too? Kirstjen Nielsen, I mean. That’s living waaay too dangerously!

    nk (dbc370)

  43. So we’re doing the full ben smithing, ignore the threats against ice agents even cabinet officials, focus on the response to the tweaker, just like cokehead leopold.

    narciso (af5641)

  44. Watch the world cup and look for Poland’s great goal scorer Robert Lewandowski. .. probably a second or third cousin

    Steveg (1d0bb4)

  45. There is no bigger media-erohw than Trump. Live by the nattering nabobs of negativism, die by the nattering nabobs of negativism.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. Costing the restaurant owner thousands of dollars, the wait staff hundreds in tips and ruining the evening for diners some of whom could be celebrating birthdays anniversaries or a serviceman returning from the ME is okay because protesting at a private establishment is now how the left conducts political business? Bull crap. These are the reasons I believe we should be very uncivil to the left. They brought it on themselves. With them everything is political, even dinner.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  47. Yeah, nk, but the chefs look like those directors that win Oscars, the guey/cabron guys are 2 doors behind the token from Anacostia.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  48. Agreed Reverend.

    They will never let you sleep until you go full Winston and say “you love Big Brother.”

    NJRob (b00189)

  49. And in the 1980s, another cousin probably lived with 12 people in a 4 bedroom house out by where Blagojevich lived.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  50. @42. Tone deaf. Housing illegal girls at Casa Presidente of all places; trying to eat at a Mexican restaurant… Nielsen might want to consider changing any vacation plans to visit Auschwitz.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. I see the communist state of California just released the violent antifa 5 for beating cops and civilians.

    Must be nice to be above the law.

    NJRob (b00189)

  52. Sounds like the way of the sense to, if you recall dancer upstairs.

    narciso (af5641)

  53. Shining path, also taking hints from the handmade tale

    narciso (af5641)

  54. If Secy Nielsen (sp?) is into ancestral homelands for summer vacation, she best bring some J-Lo or darker hair coloring, those no-go zone’s will make the barrio seem like childs play.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  55. Do you feel the same way about all criminals, or just illegal aliens?

    There’re already provisions in the criminal justice system for the welfare of the kids of jailed parents, where they are placed with nearest relatives or foster care instead of being caged in converted Walmarts.
    A general observation. It seems to me that there’s a mistaken notion that the purer conservative is the one who can best out-hardass the other, with the bigger a$$hole being the more authentic conservative, so-called. We’re seeing this in spades with this zero-tolerance debate, where Trump has one-upped himself on his hardassery, crossing the line into an immoral decision. To that extent, I think Brooks has a point, especially when those conservatives start throwing the “amnesty” epithet around. And this situation only further highlights how this party has changed from Party of Reagan…
    https://youtu.be/YsmgPp_nlok
    …to the Party of Pat Buchanan. I’m all in favor in passing and enforcing laws to deter immigrants from coming here illegally. After all, they don’t have the right to be here. But be smart and humane about it.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  56. The policy is correct. Congress should pass a law deporting anyone immediately who doesn’t present themselves at a lawful port of entry

    Indeed. It might even BE the law.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  57. 37 it also drives up the incidents of those crimes when the criminal knows there are no consequences. I never understood this threshold some have that as long as it’s not violent it’s not a big deal.

    If you rely on your car to get to work and someone steals it that victim family can now lose their job then home, but the criminal wasn’t separated from their family so that’s positive?

    Victim family separated, criminal family intact is the morally proper outcome supposedly.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  58. Paul Montagu…”I’m all in favor in passing and enforcing laws to deter immigrants from coming here illegally”

    I thought that’s what’s being done here.

    bendover (8f3556)

  59. They will never let you sleep until you go full Winston and say “you love Big Brother.”

    Not even then. You will forever be labeled as a “Big Brother unlover” and it will be brought up time and again. Unless you’re an Inner Party member, of course.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  60. Paul,

    Reagan’s biggest mistake was granting amnesty. It turned California from a Republican state to a communist farm that lets 5 antifa terrorists go free because they beat up the right people.

    NJRob (b00189)

  61. I’m all in favor in passing and enforcing laws to deter immigrants from coming here illegally. After all, they don’t have the right to be here. But be smart and humane about it.
    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 10:44 am

    OK, so what solution are you in favor of. A court decision restricts the feds from keeping the kids in detention with their parents for longer than, I think it is, 20 days. The backlog on these cases is greater than 90 days. The math is relentless. The feds must either separate the kids from their parents, or just release the whole family into the US. aka Catch and Release.

    Long term, many things could be done. Hire more judges to clear the backlog, etc. But, I’m not asking that. What I’m asking is what you favor now.

    Let the whole family get their free pass into America, or separate the families?

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  62. Paul, outline an effective law that can actually accomplish what you say. You already said you won’t separate families so you have already given illegals the road map to circumvent it. Just bring a kid, doesn’t have to even be yours, and Paul will let you stay.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  63. Media reports cost of $775/day to house illegals at ‘tent cities.’

    Hell, it would have been cheaper for Trump to declare a national emergency, lease Disneyland, issue them all Disneyland Passports, which are cheaper, stick’em all behind the walls of the Magic Kingdom then let the media try to bitch about ’em being held at ‘the happiest place on Earth.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. And this situation only further highlights how this party has changed from Party of Reagan…
    https://youtu.be/YsmgPp_nlok
    …to the Party of Pat Buchanan.
    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 10:44 am

    Perhaps you are unaware, but Pat Buchanan was part of the Reagan administration.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  65. There’re already provisions in the criminal justice system for the welfare of the kids of jailed parents, where they are placed with nearest relatives or foster care instead of being caged in converted Walmarts.

    Those children are citizens or legal residents. Placing them with relatives, or foster care, makes it unlikely they will ever be deported, even if their parents are, and folks like you will be next at “You can’t deport the parents! What will happen to their kids!?”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  66. The solution is obvious:

    All persons who enter the US outside of a port of entry are summarily deported back though the nearest such port, and the parents are forever barred entry.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  67. And Trump just caved and Schumer just won.

    President Trump abruptly reversed course Wednesday, saying he would sign an executive order ending family separations at the U.S.-Mexico border after a public uproar over the impact of his administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy.

    But this may run up against the Flores settlement.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  68. Perhaps you are unaware, but Pat Buchanan was part of the Reagan administration.

    And spread fertilizer for The Big Dick, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. …And Trump just caved and Schumer just won.

    And now we see the real reason behind all the concern over “teh children”

    bendover (8f3556)

  70. Nate, I never said I liked it, auto theft of either the passive or agressive (carjacking) type should receive the full force of the law, and if anything I’m a big ol’ blind spot hypocrite i.e. tough on what is traditionally black perpetrator crime of the type Chicago and Cook County is known for. I citing that example more in the spirit of “possession of weed” type of charges.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  71. Perhaps you are unaware, but Pat Buchanan was part of the Reagan administration.

    He was in the Nixon administration, too, but I’m pretty sure that doesn’t mean that he had to agree with Nixon’s wage and price controls.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  72. Paul, outline an effective law that can actually accomplish what you say.

    I already did so yesterday.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  73. Speaking of womp womp -eliciting moments…. Does that make it 70 – 30 Newsom due to ballot blanking by Rs who might just select a congressman/Poizner and leave it at that?

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-may-2018-gop-candidate-for-governor-john-cox-says-1529363954-htmlstory.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  74. And Trump just caved and Schumer just won.
    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 10:55 am

    Trump did cave, but Schumer didn’t win. Not yet. A federal judge will deliver the Coup de Grâce, when he overturns Trump’s EO.

    Will the judge also order release, or will the policy return to separation? Or will the Swamp pass some legislation to provide more facilities or whatever?

    The Swamp wants Catch and Release, so we’ll see if they get their way and we return to it.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  75. And we can thank Womp Womp Lewandowski for helping Trump fold like my cheap pop-up tent.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  76. 73 if your talking about comment 107 your proposing doing nothing, stick with the status quo that doesn’t work. Standalone solution will never pass when you already gave the Democrats everything they want.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  77. Reverend,

    the apple never fell far from the tree. A family of traitors.

    NJRob (b00189)

  78. Regarding the guy from the Democratic Socialists of America who screamed and trolled at the DHS Secretary in a Mexican restaurant, this is going to backfire on the cultural Marxists who thought it was a swell idea. This tactic is exactly why liberals lose.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  79. Captain Chaos and his sinister back-up Band of Draconians lost this round.

    Tillman (d34303)

  80. if your talking about comment 107 your proposing doing nothing

    If that’s how you choose to read it, Nate, but that’s not what Ponnuru suggested.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  81. Pat, as usual, comes to absolutely the wrong conclusion, due to his desire to please people rather than fight the enemy in a way comprehensible and popular to people who aren’t middle to upper class.

    Both illegal immigration and its smarmy advocates are absolutely DETESTED by the majority of voting Americans, the horrified response to Lewandowski where the lawyer panicked and entering a forced emotional ‘deposition mode’ involving yelling his talking points that he never even bothered entertaining normal responses to LOUDER was because WOMP WOMP was an absolutely devastating common reply to the emotional blackmail on offer by these amoral charlatans.

    This is a meme. It is a good meme, because the Left is callous enough to mobilize and tell everyone to tell exactly the story that will get them in emotionally or legally, and only aggressive counter-callousness can stop them. Corey was tired enough to accidentally give everyone a powerful weapon against the weapons of the left, and deserves our support.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  82. I agree with Patrick.

    A competent administration (run by, say, President Cruz) would have recognized the entirely foreseeable “optics” problems that could undermine the policy, and taken pro-active steps to prevent them:

    a) getting out in front of the narrative with an Oval Office prime-time address to the nation explaining the policy, and the need for it, clearly, believably and unemotionally (Trump is perpetually 0-for-3 there), before it went into effect,

    b) getting all necessary physical and legal infrastructure in place ahead of time,

    c) moving legislation – ahead of time – similar to what (Senator) Cruz has proposed this week to streamline the processing of these cases,

    d) providing a mechanism for assured, regular communication – say five minutes, twice a day – between children and parents during the period of separation.

    e) providing consistent, rational, sensitive (and hence, defensible) messaging; basically the opposite of what Trump and his fellow clowns like Lewandowski have done. Suggesting that you’re holding these children hostage to improve your negotiating position or extort desired legislation from the other party is so obviously self-defeating that nobody with a scintilla of common sense or intelligence would even think of doing it. And yet…

    Trump and Co. discredit good policies by the mere act of advocating them. Incompetent and poorly planned implementation doesn’t help either. This is why anyone who supports conservative policies should insist on, and work toward, his immediate removal from office.

    Dave (445e97)

  83. By the way, not all of the thousands of desperate and disconnected kids coming in end up being sold to pedophiles, but it’s really interesting that pedophiles like Peter Fonda are the most violently opposed to normal protective practice:

    An Open Secret

    @AnOpenSecret
    49m49 minutes ago
    More
    1979: Peter Fonda, 39, stars in pedophile fantasy film ‘Wanda Nevada’

    Wins 13 year old Brooke Shields in a poker game, declares love for each other, and ride off into the sunset in a convertible

    2018: Says 12 year old Barron Trump should be put in a cage with pedophiles

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  84. Schooling Cory; this is the proper way to womp womp for the TeeVee audience:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFPXQkZE6hA

    Remember, Cory… it’s television; entertain us.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. “A competent administration (run by, say, President Cruz) would have recognized the entirely foreseeable “optics” problems”

    Oh, so on THIS difficult issue that the media is 100% in colluding lockstep against you on, certainly, but not when it comes to, say, WINNING A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY! His super-special-awesome optics technicians are good on whatever I wishfully think they’re good at, in whatever wishfully thinking world I’m living in!

    When you open with such risibly falsifiable drivel no one wants to read the rest. The media, the charities, and business leaders across America are ALL benefiting financially and interpersonally from open borders, and will ALL share data, ALL selectively reinterpret anything that people say in defense of normal borders, and ALL come up with fake or even staged events to push the public in one direction or another.

    AGGRESSIVE CALLOUSNESS IS YOUR ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST THESE EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL CAMPAIGNS. Your own children whom you’re actually responsible for will thank you. If not, you deserve their curses and the curses of them who come after.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  86. Pat, as usual, comes to absolutely the wrong conclusion, due to his desire to please people

    Yes, “pleasing people” has always been Patrick’s lodestar; as he has explained countless times, it’s literally the only reason he runs this blog – to tell us, his readers, what he thinks we want to hear.

    /sarc

    Dave (445e97)

  87. #88

    AGGRESSIVE CALLOUSNESS IS YOUR ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST THESE EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL CAMPAIGNS.

    That’s the argument. But we just saw Trump back down, so perhaps all it does is help make the situation untenable. So your position loses. And gets tagged with being aggressively callous for the next twenty years.

    Appalled (96665e)

  88. @84. ‘A competent administration (run by, say, President Cruz) would have recognized the entirely foreseeable “optics” problems that could undermine the policy, and taken pro-active steps to prevent them…’

    ROFLMAOPIP

    The best Twitter reactions to Ted Cruz’s ‘basketball ring’ blunder

    At his Knightstown, Indiana, rally Tuesday night in the gym where iconic movie “Hoosiers” was filmed, Ted Cruz referred to a “basketball ring.” (Michael Conroy/AP) Here in America, we call it a basketball hoop.

    -source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/best-twitter-reactions-ted-cruz-basketball-ring-article-1.2615967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. 76.And we can thank Womp Womp Lewandowski for helping Trump fold like my cheap pop-up tent.

    And we can thank Charles Schulz just for ‘womp womp’ – see #86 for details.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. -P.I.P. stands for?

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  91. all this pretend-concern about these bedraggled urchins is phony and also it is disingenuous i think

    we pay taxes for government to handle this stuff and it’s up to them to use their best judgment which they have done and i’m glad

    womp womp’s my new favorite phrase for when summer bummer happens

    summer womp womp’s like when you’re trying to pay for a cab and it’s got a chip-reader and it won’t take any of your cards cause you never put pins on them

    womp womp!

    but finally i got the amex to go through somehow

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  92. Apparently Ivanka put her own womp womp in w/Daddy to seal this deal. Signed, ealed, delivered.

    The cable news banners say it all: ‘Trump backs down’separation policy ‘blew up’ in Trump’s face.

    Hunny, don’t you have some handbags to peddle on HSN and QVC?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. -P.I.P. stands for?

    Peeing in pants. It’s a fairly common problem for certain people. YMMV.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  94. @96. Depends…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. Should we have open borders? I say NO. The Pope says YES. The MSM says YES. The DNC (is that redundant because I’ve already covered the media) says YES.

    jason stewart (d15c58)

  96. I forgot about your uber-phobia, HF. I’ve never took one either, especially after my sis’ uber driver vs. Uber driver crash she’s belatedly getting several large for.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  97. @17. DRJ? You don’t remember that from the ‘Charlie Brown’ TeeVee specials?!?! The Great Pumpkin and ‘womp womp’… ;-).

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. #89-

    Could not agree more, Dave.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  99. @98. Meh. When was the last time you saw a ‘tent city’ in Vatican Square? Maybe, 1944… the liberation of Rome by the U.S. Army.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. Another part of the reason is the way the media lies about it and makes it seem like that is the point of the policy.

    It has been reported that they actually seem to have said that. And the washington Post has now even collected statements which they say indicate that.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/06/19/here-are-the-administration-officials-who-have-said-that-family-separation-is-meant-as-a-deterrent/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fadd4aa9c66

    Now maybe they were misunderstood and only meant the policy of arresting and convicting people, and the family separation followed from that, and they couldn’t do one without the other. Although now we’re hearing that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and White House lawyers are working on an Executive Order that would reverse that. I wonder what their legal strategy is (maybe stall in court until Congress can amend the law?)

    It seems like anyway as Samuel johnson said (when lying to Boswell about not ghostwriting a condemned prisoner’s appeal) the propect of being hanged concentrates the mond. So the political uproar made them find a way out.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  101. AGGRESSIVE CALLOUSNESS IS YOUR ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST THESE EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL CAMPAIGNS.

    That actually explains a lot about what we’re seeing from both political parties. It’s probably why more people are identifying as Independents.

    DRJ (15874d)

  102. Was it in Charlie Brown? I read the comic strip and know the story but never watched it on TV.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. Trump starts blaming Sessions and everyone else in his administration (except himself) for this debacle in 3, 2, …

    Dave (26e6d4)

  104. 98. jason stewart (d15c58) — 6/20/2018 @ 12:22 pm

    Should we have open borders? I say NO. The Pope says YES. The MSM says YES. The DNC…says YES.

    The MSM and the DNC and doesn’t say yes.

    Now they don’t say what they are for, but what they are for is tolerating more illegal immigraiton while not legalizing all immigration.

    Nothing wrong with that.

    Paradoxical maybe, but that’s what you get with this kind of law.

    You could argue it is unfair, but what’s fair about an anti-immigration law?

    The alternative to enhanced enforcement is not open borders. It is favoring illegal immigrantion over legal immigrantion (not that they’re in competition with each other, except possibly they could be at the law writing stage, except that we see that those who want to reduce illegal immigration, want to reduce legal immigration too.)

    I would argue that there are very good reasons to keep the back door open, even if the front door is closed. To begin with, it’s a fail safe, and prevents Congress from being all powerful and stupid and limits cruelty.

    The ultimate position of the opponents of Trump’s policy is very well known: “Don’t ask, don’t tell” with maybe also a statute of limitations. Nobody’s arguing for open borders. They are arguing for amnesty, and, in effect, for letting desperation and determination decide who gets to immigrate and who does not. That’s an excellent compromise.

    This bothers some people because they like to think that all laws are just, or if not, ought to be repealed, and they’re influenced by the Kantian categorical imperative,
    Which is a fallacy. It’s what cauyses people to recycle, or want to cut down on personal carbon dioxuide use. (The categorical imperative holds that everything should be coindsidered in the light of whether you would want it be to be a universal law. In the field of immigration, if you don’t have open borders – and the argument is that it’s not practical – then would be immigrants deserve no consideration and all violation should be prevented. Somehow they don’t fell taht way about parking tickets.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  105. Trump starts blaming Sessions and everyone else in his administration (except himself) for this debacle in 3, 2, …

    Dave (26e6d4) — 6/20/2018 @ 12:54 pm

    I agree. It might even be the end for Sessions.

    DRJ (15874d)

  106. I’m going to give Trump 10 days or so to see how this plays before declaring that this is a loss for him. That said, check down thread and I’ll probably flap my gums about it anyway.

    Steveg (1d0bb4)

  107. Trump starts blaming Sessions and everyone else in his administration (except himself) for this debacle in 3, 2, …

    Why? He is remaining consistent placing the blame where it belongs:

    This Administration will initiate proceedings to enforce this and other criminal provisions of the INA until and unless Congress directs otherwise. It is also the policy of this Administration to maintain family unity, including by detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources. It is unfortunate that Congress’s failure to act and court orders have put the Administration in the position of separating alien families to effectively enforce the law.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/

    Congress owns this mess.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  108. “That’s the argument. But we just saw Trump back down, so perhaps all it does is help make the situation untenable. So your position loses. And gets tagged with being aggressively callous for the next twenty years.”

    Trump ‘backed down’ only in the sense of issuing an executive order that lasts about as long as the media hysteria will. He’s the President, he has to at least make a show of uniting.

    Meanwhile, WOMP WOMP is forever, every single Trumpadre and Trump-curious individual who feels strongly about immigration and other issues will be using it creatively in political fights for the next six years at least.

    No doubt Pat will find a way to blame the purposely ineffectual public gesture to counter the purposely mendacious public campaign and the highly effectual WOMP WOMP meme that countered the highly-funded cruel compassion campaign in the same breath, because he seeks to fail comprehensively rather than just in one narrow field.

    Some people are professional rather than amateur losers, not everyone can do these things.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  109. So we are now providing a market for rent-a-kid. Good going, guys. I’m sure you won’t worry about the kids in question. Unless there’s some way to blame it on Trump.

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  110. The President implements the laws, not Congress. He is responsible for deploying immigration and prosecutorial resources. It’s fine to say we will prosecute illegal entry while keeping families together, but it won’t be easy to do that. How do you put the parents in the criminal justice system and keep the family together? Do you put the children in prison or do you change the rules so that these — and only these — alleged offenders don’t get booked, processed, and charged in court? How can they be convicted if we don’t follow the legal rules?

    DRJ (15874d)

  111. Agreeing with Power Rangers guy, but how does he square this with purchase of a beneficiary of and agitator for non-assimilation and law-breaking in this hemisphere?

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  112. i’m ubered to chinatown last night but walked home

    tonight i’m a do dinner almost in midtown so i’m a have to uber both ways

    i just don’t trust cabs anymore that was kind of scary but to his credit (and my surprise) the cabby was very patient with me

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  113. The Prez issues his EO.

    Apparently the received wisdom (and the EO itself) recognizes that the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”) is (to some extent, as presently constituted) a stumbling block to the (now) joint goals of family unification and “zero tolerance” policy. We shall see how this pans out.

    Q! (86710c)

  114. This is what Trump is actually doing:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

    Mr. Trump’s executive order directed the government’s lawyers to ask for a modification of an existing 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, that currently prohibits the federal government from keeping children in immigration detention — even if they are with their parents — for more than 20 days.

    Well, why should a court agree? As the New York Times writes, further down in the article:

    The order would keep families together, though it is unclear how Mr. Trump intends to claim the legal authority to get around what have been legal constraints on the proper treatment of children in government custody, which prevented former President Barack Obama from detaining families together during a similar flood of illegal immigration two years ago.

    The 1997 Flores settlement doesn’t absolutely prohibit detention of minors – it just specifies the conditions under which they can be detained.

    Also, it seems like everybody agrees that an Act of Congress can supercede it.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  115. #113

    Trump ‘backed down’ only in the sense of issuing an executive order that lasts about as long as the media hysteria will. He’s the President, he has to at least make a show of uniting.

    I thought you were a Trump supporter. You’re basically calling him untrustworthy here.

    Meanwhile, WOMP WOMP is forever, every single Trumpadre and Trump-curious individual who feels strongly about immigration and other issues will be using it creatively in political fights for the next six years at least.

    1. Trumpadre? First time I’ve heard that coining, but I like it.

    2. People have had numerous creative and dismissive ways to tell the world that they aren’t listening to them. Not sure they needed another, and really doubling down on “I’M NOT LISTENING” is a good way to get yourself dismissed.

    Appalled (96665e)

  116. How do you put the parents in the criminal justice system and keep the family together?

    From the order:

    _Sec_. _3_. _Temporary Detention Policy for Families Entering this Country Illegally_.

    (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary), shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, maintain custody of alien families during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members.

    (b) The Secretary shall not, however, detain an alien family together when there is a concern that detention of an alien child with the child’s alien parent would pose a risk to the child’s welfare.

    (c) The Secretary of Defense shall take all legally available measures to provide to the Secretary, upon request, any existing facilities available for the housing and care of alien families, and shall construct such facilities if necessary and consistent with law. The Secretary, to the extent permitted by law, shall be responsible for reimbursement for the use of these facilities.

    (d) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall, to the extent consistent with law, make available to the Secretary, for the housing and care of alien families pending court proceedings for improper entry, any facilities that are appropriate for such purposes. The Secretary, to the extent permitted by law, shall be responsible for reimbursement for the use of these facilities.

    DRJ, I have not seen any information that suggests that when the alien enters the “criminal justice system” they are physically removed from one facility and moved to another. Is that actually the case?

    It seems as though this order would consolidate the locations, if so.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  117. Unreported 2015 district court decision:

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
    CIVIL MINUTES—GENERAL
    Case No. CV 85-4544 DMG (AG

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/FloresRuling.pdf

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  118. I am not sure this Executive order does anything without supplementary legislation by Congress, unless the idea is military bases can qualify.

    The Secretary of Homeland Security is supposed to keep families together to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations

    Also the Secretary of Defense and also heads of executive departments and agencies are to make available facilities (to the extent permitted by law and appropriations) to the Secretary of Homeland Security, and if DHS can reimburse them, it should.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  119. Immigrants charged with illegal entry have to be brought en masse to the nearest federal courthouses to be arraigned. In Texas, the courthouses are hundreds of miles apart. They don’t put them in taxis or police cars. They are typically brought in a federal bus to the courthouse and detained in federal detention centers.

    The Trump Order is continuing the Obama policy of using existing facilities for families. In other words, they are going to rent out apartments, hotels and motels at government expense. Right now the border is booming from oil and gas exploration so they may take them to cities like Houston.

    DRJ (15874d)

  120. I think Congress might be a little bit more amenable to allowing ALL parents in federal custody keep their chhildren with them. In Afghanistan this is allowed till age 18.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/world/asia/afghanistan-children-prison.html

    It is more limited in the United States: (and usually happens when babies are born in prison) In New York State they can stay with their motehrs until they 18 months old.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/babies-born-raised-bars-mothers-returning-prison/story?id=22413184

    The vast majority of the 2000 or so inmates who give birth in American prisons are separated from their babies shortly after birth. Bedford is one of the handful of women’s prisons that allow some incarcerated moms to keep their newborns with them, in some cases until the babies are 18 months old.

    Exceptions are motehrs convicted of violent crimes, arson or crimes involving children.

    This is the situation in Illinois:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/05/11/feature/prisons-are-allowing-mothers-to-raise-their-babies-behind-bars-but-is-the-radical-experiment-in-parenting-and-punishment-a-good-idea/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.eb2306f74463

    Prison nursery programs remain rare nationwide, but eight facilities in as many states have opened them amid dramatic growth in the number of incarcerated women. The bold experiment in punishment and parenting has touched off a fierce debate….

    …There are strict criteria for selecting participants. The women must have only nonviolent offenses on their records and typically have sentences that are two years or less, so mother and child never have to be separated and the children’s time in prison is limited to their earliest years. Though Doud’s sentence is longer than most women in the program, she could qualify to serve some of that in a residential drug treatment center…

    …Research on prison nursery programs is limited, but some studies show similar promise. One found that a group of preschool-age children who were raised in prison nurseries were less anxious and depressed than a control group of children who were separated from their incarcerated mothers in the early years. Another concluded the recidivism rate of mothers who participated in prison nursery programs was only 4 percent.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  121. Of course what’s actually happening is that people are charged wth border crossing, (which has a possible 6 month sentence) assigned lawyers, who all advise them to plead guilty, [I think it could be questioned whether they are always acting in the best interest of the client] and then sentenced to time served and turned over to ICE.

    This avoids any possibility of the defendant making a claim of asylum.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  122. this whole debate about the luckless urchins is empty calories I think

    the lil urchies should understand you never get a second chance to make a first impression and really focus on elevating their game

    happyfeet (05ae72)

  123. I have actually read two articles that mentioned as bad the separation of children from parents and sending them into foster care. Usually newspapers claim that not enough of that is done.

    Of course the kind of person who makes more Type II errors, also makes more Type I errors. In many many of these cases reproted by the newspapers the reason the dead child supposedly should ahve been removed from their parents is totally irrelevant.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  124. Words cannot properly express my contempt for Lewandowski and people like him.

    Who?

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  125. The law requires federal criminal defendants be arraigned, charged and tried in the area (jurisdiction) where the offense occurs. Thus, if immigrants enter America illegally in the Big Bend area, they aren’t taken to Houston or even El Paso to be prosecuted. They go to Pecos, which has only 9500 residents and where one of the county’s largest employers operates the federal detention center. It is not a fun place.

    Pecos is 250-300 miles from El Paso, San Antonio and Fort Worth and 557 miles from Houston. I doubt many people outside the area realize how remote, desolate and vast some of the Texas border areas are. Pecos is on Interstate 20 and has a small municipal airport with no commercial service. If you want to go there from anywhere, it will take a day to get there.

    DRJ (15874d)

  126. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-cant-guarantee-immigrants-will-get-their-kids-back

    This article notes this does nothing to re-unite any children already separated from their parents – and that, in some cases, parents may be deported while children stay.

    Technically separatred children can stay with family, but the family members have to be go to holdinmg facilities to pick them up and be fingerprinted and may be reluctant to do so if they are themselves illegal and so wind up in foster care.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  127. Well we know how they handle pets:

    http://fox5sandiego.com/2018/06/20/american-airlines-as

    narciso (617b25)

  128. If they cross elsewhere on the Texas border, immigrants may be processed and arraigned in Del Rio, El Paso, Brownsville, Laredo, or possibly San Antonio. There are probably more asylum cases in places like Brownsville and El Paso where immigrants enter at bridges and turn themselves in. The ones that come in with smugglers or groups often come over in the more remote areas.

    DRJ (15874d)

  129. Two from National Review. McLaughlin on immigration morality question and whether Sessions gots Bible on it.

    People of good faith can disagree on how best to reduce or eliminate family separations, but Christians in both the Trump administration and Congress should agree that a higher law demands they use their authority to do so. Deterring lawbreaking is important, but if you find yourself punishing a lawbreaker’s children to do so, it’s time to examine your conscience. The duty to enforce the law and exercise legitimate authority may sometimes require harsher measures than we would use in our individual lives — and Christian public officials may at times have to enforce laws they would not personally have supported — but harsh measures should be used only when truly necessary. Claims of conscience do not stop merely at the invocation of law.

    Dougherty on Trump’s poor political calculus:

    The Trump administration could have worked with Congress ahead of time to make it possible to prosecute all illegal entry into the United States without separating children from their parents. It didn’t. It preferred to proceed with separations that were bound to be seen for what they are: immoral and needless. And for what? To create an atmosphere of panic and hysteria in which to get concessions from Democrats? So far, no such concessions seem forthcoming.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  130. Part of the background to Trump’s EO:

    3 airlines (Southwest, United and American) had asked the U.S. government not to use their planes for transporting children separated from their parents. (they said it on Wednesday. They actually don’t know how their planes are used. They are probably afraid of bioycotts or shareholder resolutions)

    8 states Governors have withdrawn their National Guard units from the border, including 2 Republican Governors runing for re-election in deep blue states (Massachusetts and Maryland)

    Microsoft has employees in rebellion about contracts with ICE.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  131. harsh measures should be used only when truly necessary.

    Sometiems efforts to enforce the law should abandoned.

    For instance also, high speed car chases.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  132. ICE is simply trying to prevent people from gaming the system.

    ICE was itself gaming the system, of course.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  133. @135 – Paul .. Apt additions, both. And of course Dougherty is absolutely spot on. The question remains as to whether Trump’s ploy -slash- mendacious and mean-spirited calculus will survive to bite the Republicans (/Trump) in the ass, come election time.

    Q! (86710c)

  134. @106. DRJ, watch the youtube clip in my #86. It’ll jog a memory. It’s how animated Schulz specials portrayed adults talking. When Lewindowski did his ‘womp womp’ it’s the first thing that came to mind; off hand, suspect he was trying to mimic that but his dour demeanor didn’t pull it off to well.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. Why, have we seen the Possom Congress to a how such discretion, ‘re the 2016 omnibus.

    Narciso (1a8e60)

  136. Gingrich burps Democrats want open borders…

    So says “NEWT GINGRICH, MOON PRESIDENT!”

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sci-fi-cold-open/n13372

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. The apropos gratitude for going all out for the Keystone State.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  138. French on Trump’s flip-flop.

    The order declares that the secretary of homeland security “shall, to the extent permitted by law . . . maintain custody of alien families during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members.” Currently, the consent decree in Flores defines the “extent permitted by law.” In fact, the administration acknowledges this reality by expressly requiring Sessions to seek modification of the agreement:

    The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

    In other words, the administration will comply with the law, and until it’s changed, that law is set by Flores. Trump is right back in the Obama box. He doesn’t want to separate families, but he can’t keep them together beyond 20 days. Thus, we’re back to catch-and-release.

    So Trump’s EO basically hinges on how a federal judge in central California rules. If the judge does not rule in Trump’s favor, then it’s either zero-tolerance or catch-and-release unless or until Congress passes something.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  139. “Thank God for the television camera!” – Chris Matthews, MSNBC pundit

    And that, class, sums up this week’s episode, titled ‘Migrant Pantomime’… of Trumpland.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. @150. Pfft. This is how a professional does it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBMs8JlYcgQ

    And that’s the way it is…

    “Why can’t a woman, be more like a man?” Henry Higgins [Rex Harrison] ‘My Fair Lady’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. Just deport them immediately. No fuss.

    NJRob (69b19e)

  142. After you zoolander

    That is actually interesting. Canada has a stated policy to do whatever possible to avoid separating families and, last year, they had a success rate of 93%. In a country of 36 million and 2nd largest geographically, there were only 11 unaccompanied minors last year. I’d say the Canuckistanians have the problem handled. Meantime, we have 239 unaccompanied minors in East Harlem alone (which is great political optics for a hack like de Blasio, who doesn’t deserve such a benefit) and a half-baked new policy that is probably unsustainable without a bone fide act of Congress.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  143. We have 10 times the population, new york itself has the population of canada,

    narciso (9e309a)

  144. The last flores decision was written by the late judge Reinhardt and is ignorant of statute and precedent.

    narciso (9e309a)

  145. So policy will be shaped by emotion? Lewandowski did something stupid in support of President Trump. But he wasn’t wrong. Once we go down that road, it will not stop. You can never out emotion the left, you cannot top their sob stories, and they will supply plenty, most of them nonsense.

    Simply to all the bleeding hearts; how many illegal immigrants will you personally support, house an sponsor? If you really believe this is what you want, put you money, your house and your kids at risk. You support them or shut up. Otherwise it’s cheap grace, virtue signaling, nothing more.

    Bugg (08921e)

  146. Mostly, remember he didn’t have all the details

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/100952162

    narciso (9e309a)

  147. Our Captain’s back on course- taking command of the news cycle in Duluth… he ‘rally, rally’ is!

    Strawberry parfaits all ’round tonight on AF One, Captain, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  148. …There’re already provisions in the criminal justice system for the welfare of the kids of jailed parents, where they are placed with nearest relatives or foster care instead of being caged in converted Walmarts.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 10:44 am

    We have provisions in immigration law, too, Paul. Just like with the criminal justice system CPS doesn’t immediately place children with relatives or foster care within minutes, neither does HHS. Once the children are separated from their parents they are considered unaccompanied minors(and it’s a lie to claim they’re “caged in converted Walmarts unless you’re still being fooled by old Obama-era photos and I suspect the odds of that are extremely high). HHS then has 20 days to find the nearest relative willing to take the child in or a sponsor. Sort of the federal version of foster care. In fact, the sponsor may be a foster parent via a local foster agency. Or a church group.

    I read the plan at the link which you claim is “strong on enforcement” without crossing ” the line into immoral territory.”

    Clearly you have no clue what the words “strong” and “enforcement” mean and you’re also weak on morality. It’s unworkable, unenforceable, and weak. Anybody should be able to see through it, but then clearly not everyone can avoid being tricked into thinking that Trump is still carrying on with Obama era policies.

    An alternative policy would have three parts. The administration would stop enforcing its zero tolerance policy on adults traveling with children until it got changes in the law that enabled the humane detention of families.

    Actually, this is perhaps the most insane part of the plan. 1)Trump stops enforcing zero tolerance until 2)H3ll freezes over because that’s going to when the Democrats agree to the proposed changes.

    So basically your “strong on enforcement” plan is simply to return to the Democratic party ideal of open borders.

    It would advance those changes in the law as a stand-alone measure rather than using legislators’ desire to keep children with their parents as leverage to win other immigration-related policy changes.

    The Democrats in Congress have absolutely no interest in the keeping children with their parents. They’re entire interest are the other immigration-relation issues and other leftist issues as well. Full stop.

    And it would, separately, push for legislative changes that enabled other means of enforcing the immigration laws, such as punishing businesses whose new hires are illegal immigrants.

    We already do punish businesses for hiring illegal aliens (unless they have immigrant visas the are aliens; that’s the correct term under the law and they’re either here legally with a non-immigrant visa or they’re here illegally with no visa at all). So you want to go back to the old, failed policy of making business owners the front line of immigration enforcement? That never works and I’ll tell you why. As a former employer I had to walk a tightrope. I had to meet a minimum, and frankly low standard when hiring employees. So I had to ask for ID/documents from the applicant so they could establish their identity and the fact they could legally accept work in this country. If the documents merely appear to be legal I must accept them. It doesn’t matter what I may suspect, I can’t ask for more documents (usually two are sufficient) and I can’t ask for different documents. I must accept those documents or per the Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986 I can be prosecuted/sued for being “overzealous.” And under Obama, particularly, they did sue employers for being overzealous.

    The DoJ has a hotline immigrants/employees can call if they’ve been the victim of an “overzealous” employer. It even says near the top that they can call if they think the employer’s E-Verify practices are unfair. Which is why if I still were employing people I would never use E-Verify until Congress makes it a legal requirement (which the democrats will never agree to, so why would I even have employees when I can automate everything).

    I have no sovereign immunity when it comes to enforcing any law, as a police officer would. So, have a law enforcement organization. Not someone who can be prosecuted/sued by everyone from the DoJ to La Raza to Maldef for trying to keep illegals out of the country.

    Things are so bad that if an employer gets a Social Security Administration “no match” letter, telling you that an employee’s SSN and name do not match the letter starts off by telling the employer not to draw any surmises about the employeee’s immigration status. First, the employer must make sure it it isn’t their own mistake. So they have to review their records to see if the SSN on the copy of the card on file matches the SSN cited in the letter. If it does,then it’s not the the employer’s mistake. It’s the “employee’s” mistake. In scare quotes because you now know this isn’t a mistake but a fraudulent SSN card and the employee is an illegal alien. This has never happened to me, but it has happened to other employers I know. Not once has it been a mistake that the employee stayed around to resolve. You simply never see the employee again. They just commit a couple more federal felonies (perjury, document fraud) and get a new job. Oh, and commit more identity theft.

    You really don’t know what you’re talking about if you think that proposal is anything less than a farce. “Just stop until forcing the laws until the Democrats agree to give you what you want.” Right, son.

    There’s only one effective policy. Turn everyone around at the border and send them back into Mexico. If they have an asylum claim and they’re from Central America then per international humanitarian law they needed to make the claim in Mexico. Mexico is in violation of the law by refusing to even consider those claim. If Mexican citizens are making asylum claims then we need to declare Mexico a failed state with an ongoing insurgency (the cartels and their friends from Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, etc.) and deal with it as the national security threat that all failed states constitute.

    We can’t simply allow Mexico to keep shipping all these “asylum seekers” north from their southern border or to create their own asylum seekers without suffering the consequences. I’ve heard one proposal that we should stop processing asylum claims unless they’re made properly at a US embassy/consulate or an official port of entry. But that won’t work because then the Mexican government would simply ship these people to those locations and overwhelm the system.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  149. Halperins buddy

    ttp://dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/john-heilemann-admits-democrat/

    narciso (9e309a)

  150. Paul, may I point out that Canada has a land border with exactly one country. And the only other piece of geographically proximate land is Greenland.
    Were these asylum seekers Democrats fleeing Trump?

    I disagree with one of the premises of this post.
    I think a major aim of Trump’s immigration policies is to deter as many immigrants as possible. A little schrecklichkeit* goes a long way.

    *a Second Reich/WWI term, so no Godwin involved.

    kishnevi (0a3941)

  151. “The Trump administration could have worked with Congress ahead of time to make it possible to prosecute all illegal entry into the United States without separating children from their parents.”

    As we see from their preemptive rejection of any measures to combat this, no he couldn’t. MBD is thinking wishfully. The ACLU has already doubled down on the THIS NO LEGAL, ESE position, almost like they had that as part of their plan the whole time. Behold the ACLU’s sterling trap!

    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1529518710626.jpg

    “Also, it seems like everybody agrees that an Act of Congress can supercede it.”

    Threatened action by the Congress is one of the least threatening and most easily mitigated threats currently. So what you’re warning about really isn’t that operative, is it?

    “If the judge does not rule in Trump’s favor, then it’s either zero-tolerance or catch-and-release unless or until Congress passes something.”

    SO ESSENTIALLY TRUMP DOUBLED DOWN ON THE STATUS QUO WHILE PRETENDING NOT TO, WASTING HIS ENEMIES’ EMOTIONAL ENERGY ON LOUDLY PUSHING UNPOPULAR POSITIONS IN EASILY-SAVED SOUNDBITES ONLY A FEW MONTHS BEFORE ELECTIONS, MY LORD, IT’S LIKE HE ACTUALLY PLANS A FEW MOVES IN ADVANCE OR SOMETHING. WHY DOES THIS MAN CONTINUALLY WIN DESPITE HIS PARTY’S BEST EFFORTS TO LOSE?

    Tellurian (312848)

  152. In point of fact, they has been an influx from those six countries as well as Latin America,

    Narciso (9e309a)

  153. . I’ve heard one proposal that we should stop processing asylum claims unless they’re made properly at a US embassy/consulate or an official port of entry.
    Steve, that seems to be the current situation: asylum claims are not being accepted any place other than a PoE or a US diplomatic facility in the asylee’s home country.

    And the PoEs are being overwhelmed, although the claim is being made that US officials are slowwalking claims, and that’s the cause of the overcrowding.

    kishnevi (0a3941)

  154. Phil confirms my view of the Congress:

    “Phil Kerpen
    ‏Verified account @kerpen
    Jun 19

    It’s astonishing to me that the Corker bill requiring congressional approval for tariffs isn’t moving. What is Congress for if they give the taxation power oer to the president?”

    If all Congress does is collect money from their donors, look extremely bad when the President calls them out for collecting money from their donors, and grumblingly rubber-stamps the President’s agenda in the end (which is pretty much what they did under most of Obama’s term come to think of it) then that’s really all you can ask of them.

    Laws are interpreted and enforced by men. No man, and the law may as well be a D&D book (3rd edition).

    Tellurian (312848)

  155. Well corner has cried wolf too often, for people to take him seriously.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  156. DRJ (15874d) — 6/20/2018 @ 8:57 am

    Corey must be a fan of the animated show Archer. The“womp womp” is used quite a bit. He prolly thinks he is being hip and edgy.

    felipe (023cc9)

  157. In other news, our resident duck hen who has found the foliage behind a waterfall that feeds the swimming to her liking has just produced another 9 ducklings 🐥 After she reappeared a week or so after my wife and I had escorted her and her first posse of 9 over to the lake, I did some research and apparently the first troop didn’t make it in the lake. Between hawks, owls, raccoons, catfish and bass, it’s a crapshoot. So this time we’ve blocked all routes of escape, bought some duck chow and will keep them here for a couple weeks or so until they have a fighting chance!

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  158. @167. That fits, too.

    Given the animated content of same, perhaps something the lovely and talented Hope murmured to him in the throes of passion.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. …I’d say the Canuckistanians have the problem handled…

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 5:17 pm

    Yes, it’s called “Having the US on your southern border.” You’re ignoring the fact that sole reason we don’t have our problems handled is that we have Mexico on our southern border, creating them.

    Theoretically Mexico brought its asylum laws into conformity with international law in 2011.

    http://www.asylumist.com/2011/02/02/new-asylum-law-in-mexico-could-reduce-the-flow-of-refugees-to-the-u-s/

    New Asylum Law in Mexico Could Reduce the Flow of Refugees to the U.S.

    by Jason Dzubow on February 2, 2011

    Mexican President Felipe Calderon last week signed into law a new provision meant to bring Mexican asylum law in line with international standards. Fox News Latino reports that the law was drafted taking into account the model legislation from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

    “From now on,” President Calderon said, “Mexico will consider applications for refugee status from any person who cites a fear of being persecuted for his race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion.” Gender persecution will also be considered legitimate grounds for an asylum claim, he said. Officially recognized refugees will have a right to work and to access health care and education.

    Clearly they’re thumbing their nose now at both international law and they’re own domestic law. But I say, we take them at their word. If they claim they brought their asylum law into conformity with international law over 7 years ago, then since we follow international humanitarian law there is nobody reaching our southern border with a valid asylum request. It’s unpossible, otherwise they if they had a valid request it would have been approved by Mexico.

    I know Mexico does approve some asylum requests, but I can’t get exact numbers because no matter what search terms I use I simply get page after page of inquiries about how Mexicans can get asylum in the US. Which I think tells us all we need to know.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  160. Steve, that seems to be the current situation: asylum claims are not being accepted any place other than a PoE or a US diplomatic facility in the asylee’s home country.

    kishnevi (0a3941) — 6/20/2018 @ 5:43 pm

    Unfortunately, no. Had they made the claim properly, especially at a US DipFac in their home country, they wouldn’t have to make the claim a second time and have it adjudicated here.

    Most of these claims are made when the illegal border crossers get caught. It’s simply a ploy.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  161. Noted, Steve, your inability to discuss an issue without making it personal and without mischaracterizing. But putting aside your insulting, patronizing commentary, the fact remains that Trump’s zero-tolerance policy separates parents from their children. The Cruz bill, for one, would “mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.” The point is that solutions can be had, that can deter illegal immigration and still be humane, but will likely take an act of Congress.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  162. Fine and it runs afoul of the dumpster fire Reinhardt left on the way out. Mexico where they turned 12 times as many students as in missippi to the army or the cartel,

    Narciso (9e309a)

  163. The point is that solutions can be had, that can deter illegal immigration and still be humane, but will likely take an act of Congress.

    You are starting to sound like Trump.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  164. 161. We can agree, kishnevi, that Trump’s intent is to deter.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  165. Kamala-toe Harris says we can’t keep kids in camps!

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  166. Mexico is a terrible place, stipulated, the zetas which were the no 2 cartel, were composed of the snake eaters that ran the Zapatistas to ground.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  167. Shockah coronello, as noted by kerpen the policy is popular, the alternative is more selective.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  168. Check out this video showing migration flows to US and Europe over the past couple decades.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-20/world-refugee-day-stunning-video-shows-migration-flows-america-century

    harkin (e5c973)

  169. They sent Fidel back like lenin gave sanctuary to the Guatemalan and Salvadoran guerillas but how they treat their own, tlatelolco 1968

    Narciso (9e309a)

  170. Why the squirrel sandwich:

    https://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/steele-doss

    Narciso (9e309a)

  171. Hello Mother, Hello Father Bueno Mama, Bueno Papa

    Bueno mama, bueno papa
    Here I am at Camp Lambada.
    It’s more fun here than the desert
    We must act like maricons
    Or else we’ll get hurt

    I went hiking with Juan and Beto
    the two kids from Juarez ghetto
    You remember Luz Garcia?
    She ate tacos and came down
    With diarrhea

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  172. I’d advise not to use that phrase, coronello, people are not that woke in Latin culture

    Narciso (9e309a)

  173. @183. *****

    Gramophone Haiku.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  174. 185… Ha! Listen to you, Pops!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  175. So we have the 4th season of el chapo, another of the Lord of the skies, Mr. Steel, you would drug dealing were the only business in mexico.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  176. @186. Anything you say, Seltzer Boy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. Yes the substitute and the specialist, did not paint my burg very well either, burn notice did a better job.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  178. 188… doncha got a good 50s movie quote, Rex Lax?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  179. Teh Baron of teh BarcaLounger… teh Main Boy Without teh Joy Toy… teh Capo di Cialis… teh Sultan of Cymbalta™… teh Boss With teh Memory Loss… ASPCA!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. Calderon was a,pretty good bloke all told, but the fight against the cartels claimed 100,000 lives of army and police.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  181. “A Democratic candidate for Kansas attorney general is facing calls to drop out of the race over a poster that hung in her office for years that depicted Wonder Woman choking a police officer.

    The poster depicted Ms. Swain as a superhero, using a rope to strangle a police officer on the ground. The Kansas City Star noted that the comics typically showed Wonder Woman lassoing villains around their torsos, not their necks.

    Mr. Swain explained that the poster, which she said hung in her law office for several years, represented “a metaphor for the rigors of cross-examination.”

    https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/20/sarah-swain-democratic-candidate-under-fire-poster/?__twitter_impression=true

    harkin (e5c973)

  182. Not the sharpest knife:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BartHub

    Narciso (9e309a)

  183. Calderon picked one cartel over the other and only because Schrub probably told him to “show out” in exchange for certain things.

    urbanleftbehind (555524)

  184. He chose poorly then, but pena now to doubled down accepting bribes from prominent builders letting the 47 students get snuffed out, and getting rid of all gasoline,subsidies at once.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  185. Like Charles Henry moffits logic bomb

    http:://mobile.twitter.com/stevenportnoy/statu

    Narciso (9e309a)

  186. OT Ghouliani’s not saying “Womp Womp,” but “Hubba, hubba!” It makes for suspiciously convenient bedfellows.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/rudy-giuliani-love-life-white-house-657981

    Tillman (d34303)

  187. The Embarrassment in Chief waxes poetic over Kim Jong Un at his rally in Duluth.

    It sounds like he’d pick Kim as his running mate if he could…

    Dave (7eb705)

  188. @191. Colon’el?! Use Preparation H, mate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  189. 199, 200… take your Xanax and chill, gents. All of this anger is detrimental to your mental health.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  190. @200. He sounded like he wrestled the news cycle back to his advantage from the media.

    Cry kiddies are already yesterday’s news. Expect a be buried by a tweet storm into the weekend.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  191. 201… you must go through tubs of that stuff to tighten up around your eyes and mouth, Pops. Here’s to your health, may you lose the walker and grab the cane once again.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  192. All of this anger is detrimental to your mental health.

    You’ve certainly convinced us on that score.

    :)

    Dave (7eb705)

  193. Steve57 @ 5:33pm

    Perfectly stated. Some just prefer the status quo because it doesn’t affect their lives and they get to pretend they’re good people and have a heart.

    It’s not their kid killed by MS-13 or a drunk illegal. Not their identity stolen by a criminal alien getting a job and fake credit.

    No skin in the game.

    NJRob (69b19e)

  194. @199. Ask Donna Hanover. Then review Rudy’s bum’s-rush-outta-Gracie-Mansion-polls circa September 10, 2001.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  195. “Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is facing criticism for seemingly mocking the plight of an illegal immigrant child at the border with down syndrome.

    On a Fox News segment Tuesday, former DNC adviser Zac Petkanas told a story about “10-year-old girl with Down syndrome” who had been “put in a cage” as the result of Trump’s zero-tolerance policy on illegal immigration.

    Lewandowski made a sad trombone noise: “Womp womp.”

    The action earned Lewandowski criticism all over social media.

    Returning to Fox Wednesday morning, Lewandowski was asked by the host if he owed an apology for the remark: “There are some who saw your words last night as overlooking an individual when there are so many affected by this,” the anchor said, “Do you feel that you owe an apology of any sort?”

    Lewandowski was unmoving. “An apology?” he said, “I owe an apology to the children whose parents are putting them in a position that is forcing them to be separated?”

    Lewandowski then brought up some of the names of individuals who have been killed by illegal immigrants: “We owe an apology to Jameel Shaw and Brian Terry and Kate Steinle’s family who have allowed those individuals to be killed by illegal aliens. The American people owe an apology to those people. When you cross the border illegally, you have committed a crime, and there is accountability for committing crimes, and there should be.”

    After the remarks, the host concluded the segment.“

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/lewandowski-asked-to-apologize-for-mocking-illegal-immigrant-child-brings-up-kate-steinle/

    harkin (e5c973)

  196. @204. Grab the Johnnie Walker Black, instead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  197. Pat, as usual, comes to absolutely the wrong conclusion, due to his desire to please people rather than fight the enemy in a way comprehensible and popular to people who aren’t middle to upper class.

    Both illegal immigration and its smarmy advocates are absolutely DETESTED by the majority of voting Americans, the horrified response to Lewandowski where the lawyer panicked and entering a forced emotional ‘deposition mode’ involving yelling his talking points that he never even bothered entertaining normal responses to LOUDER was because WOMP WOMP was an absolutely devastating common reply to the emotional blackmail on offer by these amoral charlatans.

    This is a meme. It is a good meme, because the Left is callous enough to mobilize and tell everyone to tell exactly the story that will get them in emotionally or legally, and only aggressive counter-callousness can stop them. Corey was tired enough to accidentally give everyone a powerful weapon against the weapons of the left, and deserves our support.

    LOL yeah it was brilliant!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  198. Memory Loss… ASPCA!

    =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Who?!?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  199. Well what’s the mastermind of an assassination of an ambassador in the big scheme of things, directed by al queda.

    Narciso (9e309a)

  200. …The Cruz bill, for one, would “mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.” The point is that solutions can be had, that can deter illegal immigration and still be humane, but will likely take an act of Congress.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3) — 6/20/2018 @ 6:03 pm

    The Democrats will never vote for the Cruz bill and watch how fast the judiciary strikes it down. The bottom line is that leftists are opposed any enforcement of immigration law and will do whatever they can to put an end to it. Since the judiciary isn’t entirely monolithic it really depends on which judge you get. But then leftists know how to judge shop, and know which judges are willing to impose their policy preferences, then work backward from there to try to make it appear their decisions had some grounding in law.

    After all these years we’ve seen it repeatedly demonstrated that there are no solutions that both deter illegal immigration and are what the left would have you believe is humane. And, funny, they don’t care about the humanity of the law if it’s a leftist wielding power.

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings by making it personal or whatever. How much patience should I have left for you. Here are pictures of Obama’s detention centers from 2014.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities

    Admittedly these are probably not children separated at the border from their parents but “unaccompanied minors.” And frankly separating children from their parents at the border I find a lot more humane than the depredations the Obama administration invited these children to go through, with an assist from their parents.

    To set the mood, Paul, here’s a pic of nice, typical south Texas rape tree. Again, note the date.

    https://punditfromanotherplanet.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/more-rape-trees.jpg?w=590&h=387

    We have those all along the border. The smugglers rape women and young girls under them, then hang their trophies on them usually in the form of bra (if they’re old enough to wear them) and panties. It’s unusual to see so many trophies on one bush as most of the time the smugglers will pick different trees each time so as to not get caught, but they pick trees that the people will be sure to see along the route across the border. So they know who’s the boss.

    The parents knew/know exactly what they’re going to put their children through when they pay coyotes $8k or so to smuggle their children through cartel country, if the girl is over ten she probably has an eighty percent chance of being raped. And getting shunted off into the sex trade.

    Which is why the parent/parents would make sure they put their girls on birth control before they set off on this journey. So if they were raped they at least wouldn’t get pregnant.

    Boys usually fare better but sometimes the cartels need slave labor and in any case have an equally good chance of dying along the way as anybody else. Maybe a better chance, if you want to put it that way, since they’re smaller and weaker than the adults and if they have any food or water they won’t have it for long.

    How did Obama encourage this egregious child abuse? Two ways. First no one (including me) believed for an instant that the left will ever limit DACA to people who arrived by a certain date. It will continue forever, and every child (teenager really, who if they committed a crime in this country could easily be charged as an adult so I don’t see why to keep up the charade that we are talking about children) will remain eligible as we’ll keep moving the deadline back or we’ll keep having to see MSNBC hosts/Congressional Democrats crying on TV about heartless we are.

    Second, DHS/ICE would complete the criminal conspiracy and deliver the child to the parent if they caught the human trafficker at the border. The human trafficker would be arrested charged, and tried. But never the parent who initiated the criminal conspiracy to violate U.S. immigration laws and border security by hiring the trafficker. Do you think I’m using harsh language? That I’m exaggerating? That’s precisely how federal district court Judge Andrew S. Hanen of Brownsville, Texas, put it in his decision in U.S. v. Nava-Minartinez. He convicted Mirtha Veronica Nava-Martinez, an admitted human trafficker and resident alien, of a felony when she pleaded guilty to attempting to smuggle a ten-year-old El Salvadoran girl into the U.S. Whoever paid her to do it is a principal in the same crime. That’s the definition of conspiracy under the law, if two or more people agree to commit a crime, and at least one person makes an overt act to commit that crime, all involved are guilty of the same crime.

    We know “whoever” paid the human trafficker to smuggle in the little girl. The little girl’s mother. Did DoJ attempt to prosecute her like the prosecuted Nava-Minartinez, since having committed the overt act of paying the smuggler the mother was equally as guilty as her co-conspirator? Did DHS initiate deportation proceedings against the mother? No, of course not. They simply completed Nava-Minartinez’s criminal mission of smuggling the child all the way to Virginia and walked away.

    Now, if you don’t think that sort of policy encourages illegal aliens to engage in more consequence-free felonious activity I have a bridge to sell you.

    Added bonus. Apparently you think it’s all kinds of inhumane to separate children from parents. Why weren’t you upset then when Obama didn’t just temporarily separate parents from their children but may have permanently done so. I guess Obama’s ATEP program slipped under your radar. Alien stands for Alien (even Obama’s administration used the correct legal word so I don’t understand why people get upset with me for refusing to call these illegal border crossers “immigrants” when they’re not) Transfer Exit Program, alternatively known as Lateral Repatriation.

    Now, you’re going to really love how this worked.

    It was an Obama admin policy that male illegal aliens of Mexican nationality would not be processed for deportation. Instead, they would bus or fly the male Mexican national half way across the country and send him back across the border into a completely different part of Mexico. And note, this guy could be a father. In fact, this guy could be trying to cross the border with his wife and children. It didn’t matter; they’d separate the father from the rest of the family and put him through this process. So if a family tried to cross near El Paso TX they separate the father and maybe send him back across the border into Tijuana from San Diego.

    If the father was traveling with only his children, Obama would still separate the man from his children and put him through this process. And, presto! Obama just created unaccompanied minors. With a twist that not even the eeeeeevil Trump has thought of. If the families or unaccompanied children were deported they’d invariably be deported near where they tried to enter. Not exactly there, but near there. Meanwhile dear old dad may have been sent back across the border 500 of a thousand miles away. And the USG would never tell the family members where to go look for their loved ones. They might never find each other. But, much like those weapons Obama and his cronies sent across the border in Fast & Furious we’ll never have any way of knowing what happened to them.

    How come Obama is remembered as all sweetness and light while Trump is Satan incarnate. Trump’s policy may be to separate the children from the adults, but at least he’s keeping them all in the same country until the adults’ cases are resolved. Under Obama the “unaccompanied minors” would never know what happened to their fathers after Obama booted them across the Mexican border into parts unknown. That’s humane? Ah, well, leftists only care about the optics, and they have a lot of good midterm election ads. Screw the actual kids; they’re only just expendable bit players in those ads.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  201. You are right, Steve.

    But we knew this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-YuhFWCr4

    Sigh.

    Simon Jester (99147b)

  202. “You’ve certainly convinced us on that score.”

    Set that gerbil free, ConDave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  203. So why a little more debunciation of this:

    http://mobile.twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1009642488909398016

    Narciso (9e309a)

  204. 214… helluva thing, Steve. Makes one want to actually do something to fight that sort of scum.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. Just like fast and furious, is Possom gowdy going to get on to that?

    Narciso (9e309a)

  206. I’m sure you’ve seen this by now: https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1009450319862992896

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection says in statement that the minor who has Down Syndrome and was separated from her parent isn’t related to the zero tolerance policy.

    jaded (72d186)

  207. Is it true planned parenthood is setting up shop on the border?

    mg (9e54f8)

  208. 218. It certainly does, coronello. I look forward to the day when we prosecute DHS agents for violating Texas state laws against human/sex trafficking when they complete the criminal conspiracy that the parent and smuggler initiated. Admittedly I’ll feel a little bad for the agents, but their badges don’t give them the right or power to engage in human/sex trafficking. If DHS so much as has agents buy her a bus ticket to the airport so they can fly the child to the parent that initiated the criminal conspiracy that initiated the conspiracy they’re guilty of human trafficking. So is the common carrier. And if it turns out the “parent” is not the parent, they very well could be guilty of sex trafficking.

    Yes, the feds have preemptive authority at the border. But Texas is a big state. It still takes an effort to smuggle children out of it. Our laws are now so tight that not even federal agents can break them should we get another Obama.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  209. “Some problems in Texas?” – James Mattoon Scott [Burt Lancaster] ‘Seven Days In May’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  210. In California the state government isn’t fining employers for hiring illegals. They are fining employers for wage theft after they hire illegals and stiff them:

    Womp Womp!

    After weeks of working on the ranch, the man said his boss shorted him on his paycheck. He repeatedly asked to be paid in full but received a text message that he said read: “Illegals like you should return to their countries, soon immigration will visit you.” He can’t prove his boss sent it, but he believes that to be the case.

    The man took his case to the California Labor Commission and petitioned for unpaid wages. A court found his employer had not paid him and found the employer guilty of making threats involving the rancher’s undocumented status.

    These threats, called immigration retaliation, are increasing in California.

    “We’re seeing just a growing, not just retaliation against immigrant workers, but an emboldening of employers who are making these kinds of threats blatantly,” said Julie Su, California’s labor commissioner. “Increasingly, employers are so emboldened that we have had employers call my office to say, ‘Do you know that this worker who filed a complaint is illegally in the country and if you pursue me I’m going to have ICE come and get her?’”

    Immigration-related retaliation has grown tenfold in California in the past two years, according to Su. There were nine cases in 2014 and 2015; from 2016 through January 2018 there were 115. Yet advocates and lawyers believe even that number is a vast undercount, as most undocumented workers are likely too scared to report an employer.

    Su fined Balsamo $100,000 for violating the Labor Code by engaging in immigration-related retaliation. Balsamo isn’t moved by the plight of workers like the one he admitted to not paying.

    “I don’t have any empathy for the guy,” Balsamo said. “I hope he gets caught, I really do at this point.”

    Advocates say that these threats keep workers from turning to law enforcement over wage theft. Wage theft costs Los Angeles workers $26 million a week, according to the Labor Center at the University of California, Los Angeles.

    Link

    Pinandpuller (73762a)

  211. WASHINGTON — Documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union featured in a new report released today show the pervasive abuse and neglect of unaccompanied immigrant children detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The report was produced in conjunction with the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.

    “These documents provide a glimpse into a federal immigration enforcement system marked by brutality and lawlessness,” said Mitra Ebadolahi, ACLU Border Litigation Project staff attorney. “All human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of their immigration status — and children, in particular, deserve special protection. The misconduct demonstrated in these records is breathtaking, as is the government’s complete failure to hold officials who abuse their power accountable. The abuse that takes place by government officials is reprehensible and un-American.”

    *Spoiler alert*

    2009-2014 Womp Womp!

    aclu

    Pinandpuller (73762a)

  212. One of the activists who chased Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen out of a Mexican restaurant Tuesday night over the Trump administration’s immigration policies is an employee of the Department of Justice, The Daily Caller News Foundation has confirmed.

    Members of the Washington, D.C., chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America crashed Nielsen’s meal with a demonstration full of chants and other outbursts.

    One of those participants, Allison Hrabar, actually works for the Trump administration — as a paralegal in the DOJ.

    “Kirstjen Nielsen, you’re a villain, locking up immigrant children,” activists can be heard saying in a video.

    An employee within the Trump administration initially tipped The DCNF off about Hrabar’s presence at the protest.

    Pinandpuller (73762a)

  213. This Unabomber guy makes a lot of sense guys:

    “Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them.
    But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists’ hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.”
    ― Theodore J. Kaczynski, Industrial Society and Its Future: The Unabomber Manifesto

    Pinandpuller (73762a)

  214. 200,000 minority kids who are american citizens turn 18 (voting age) every month. and they have id’s. they will settle this issue in 2018 or 2020 at the latest. hillary and jill stein (who beat hillary in pennsylvania. michigan and wisconsin) got 3 million more votes then trump plus 9 million less democrats voted in 2016 because they couldn’t hold their nose along enough to vote for her. hillary clinton will not be on the ballot in 2018.

    populations vote (7033d5)

  215. Hey Patterico, now that you know the truth about this story, want to back up?

    SD Harms (84960b)

  216. “Twitter is where people blurt out anger, get their self-righteousness reinforced by others, have the gift of an equally stupid opposition, and become despondent when tomorrow does not bring uprisings that overturn the current regime.”

    — James Lileks

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  217. This is how you get more Trump.

    Of course, my crystal ball is always wrong politically.

    Steven Malynn (1da71a)


  218. Members of the Washington, D.C., chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America crashed Nielsen’s meal with a demonstration full of chants and other outbursts.

    One of those participants, Allison Hrabar, actually works for the Trump administration — as a paralegal in the DOJ.

    “Kirstjen Nielsen, you’re a villain, locking up immigrant children,” activists can be heard saying in a video.


    This is not a “demonstration”. Demonstrations are people walking peacefully with signs. This was a lynch mob looking for a tree. This is what the left has become.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)


  219. 228.200,000 minority kids who are american citizens turn 18 (voting age) every month. and they have id’s. they will settle this issue in 2018 or 2020 at the latest.
    populations vote (7033d5) — 6/21/2018 @ 1:49 am


    Why Perry Hood! I thought you were dead. Still using your famous meme about “200,000 minority kids turning 18″ I see. How’d that work out for ya? You just love the idea of minorities taking over America, don’t ya? After all, they’ve done such a good job in our cities why not nationalize the corruption, crime and poverty?

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  220. Yet none oh this drew out the “compassion” of either the left democrats nor the mwdia when Obama did it….
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sRQ3An9NPAo/Wyrt7ORtItI/AAAAAAABrqk/yR4GxandXOEBWao0DDBAWolgFZfxf3s2QCLcBGAs/s1600/e8a283e1974cbe78b6cab07e92b81aace1a4d877c21bb853e6a7636aeefadd9f.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  221. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by making it personal or whatever.

    Thank you, Steve. In just two comments you’ve made it clear that you won’t engage in good faith, so thanks for saving my time because I hate wasting it butting heads with a$$holes.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  222. Let me ‘splain something to some of you. This is so totally horrific that people should just point and laugh at it. Of course, it is beneath common decency to treat children as subhuman.

    While it is true to say that we normally separate children from criminal parents, keep in mind that:

    1.When we send Joe Thug to jail, his child normally has a family here of some sort and the child is not typically dragged across state lines and forced into living in a tent.
    2. More often than not, the mother or father gets incarcerated, not both at the same time.

    Those are only two important factors. There are more, but you should get the picture.

    Tillman (d34303)

  223. Funny how there were no complaints from leftists when Hussein put kids in cages wrapped in foil..

    https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20140619&t=2&i=909703344&w=&fh=810&fw=545&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2014-06-19T011007Z_2_TM3EA6I1DW701_RTRMADP_0_USA

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  224. After going through the fact-checks here, one of them stood out.

    But Graham’s 80 percent estimate for no-shows is way off, according to experts. The Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that advocates for tighter border controls, found in a 2017 report that “over the past 20 years, 37 percent of all aliens free pending their trials — 918,098 out of 2,498,375 — never showed for court.”
    That means 63 percent did show up for their immigration hearings, much higher than what Graham indicated.

    I’m not seeing how over a third of the illegals failing to show up for their hearings undermines Graham’s argument, whatsoever. The only way I could see catch-and-release working is if parents and kids wear GPS ankle bracelets pending hearings, with tampering with such devices constituting a felony.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)


  225. 1.When we send Joe Thug to jail, his child normally has a family here of some sort and the child is not typically dragged across state lines and forced into living in a tent.
    2. More often than not, the mother or father gets incarcerated, not both at the same time.


    Your first point is correct except often the children are removed because of CPS findings. The children are not “dragged” anywhere. They are placed in an accommodation which is clean, healthy warm and serves three meals a day but most importantly they are protected from predators. BTW, I’d bet the facilities they are held in are better than anything they had in the country they left. Your second point is probably true but so what? Sometimes one is incarcerated sometimes both. The kids will go back to the environment that breeds crime, disease , drugs etc. That’s not good in my opinion.

    Be honest. If the left cared about the children they wouldn’t be for abortion. What the left cares about is votes. Illegal aliens mean votes for democrat leftists. That’s all this is about. People like myself actually care about the children. That’s why I was a foster parent and adopted my son. Best move I ever made. (Well, that and marrying my wife).

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  226. ““Twitter is where people blurt out anger, get their self-righteousness reinforced by others, have the gift of an equally stupid opposition, and become despondent when tomorrow does not bring uprisings that overturn the current regime.”

    — James Lileks”

    Well, Lileks WAS a NeverTrumper, so that was pretty much true…for him. Your mileage may vary with different parties, though!

    “200,000 minority kids who are american citizens turn 18 (voting age) every month. and they have id’s. they will settle this issue in 2018 or 2020 at the latest. hillary and jill stein (who beat hillary in pennsylvania. michigan and wisconsin) got 3 million more votes then trump plus 9 million less democrats voted in 2016 because they couldn’t hold their nose along enough to vote for her. hillary clinton will not be on the ballot in 2018.”

    Sure, if there’s one thing Democrats are teaching minority kids, it’s civic engagement in off-year elections! And Trump certainly hasn’t grown any more popular with swing voters! And the Democrats have TOTALLY purged the pro-Hill/anti-Bernie contingent and aren’t at all doubling down on Deep State candidates that look and act like their white donors! John Stewart and Steven Colbert are JUST as cool as they were in 2016!

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  227. Lemme ‘splain something, too. Those assholes brought or sent their kids here because they 1) view them as get-out-of-jail-free cards and 2) as relative-visa-source-DACA-anchor-babies. And it still violates the Eighth Amendment to incarcerate juveniles with adults, no matter how willing the adults are to use their own children as hostages. It’s one thing to be soft-hearted and another to be soft-headed.

    nk (9651fb)

  228. AGGRESSIVE CALLOUSNESS IS YOUR ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST THESE EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL CAMPAIGNS. Your own children whom you’re actually responsible for will thank you. If not, you deserve their curses and the curses of them who come after.

    All hail aggressive callousness! Womp womp

    Patterico (115b1f)

  229. @239 Give it up Hoagie, your callous position lost. No one is buying it, not even some mean Republicans.
    You always go back to abortion as if it proves anything. It doesn’t. You may be against it, and that position is fine, but you can’t force your will on others. No one really wants to see abortions happen. To insinuate that they do is merely disingenuous.

    Tillman (d34303)

  230. YOU HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVELY CALLOUS (muttered under breath) unless you have to temporarily make a show of uniting.

    Womp womp

    Patterico (115b1f)

  231. Meanwhile, WOMP WOMP is forever

    Womp womp

    Patterico (115b1f)

  232. Whats worse is the “showing out” by bowed squishes i.e. Brian Kilmeade – a.k.a. a more latent form of Shep Smith – with his high-drama outrage this morning.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  233. “Let me ‘splain something to some of you. This is so totally horrific that people should just point and laugh at it. Of course, it is beneath common decency to treat children as subhuman.”

    Was this your position during the Malaise Years of 0bama, Tillman? If it was, at least you are consistent.

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)


  234. 243.@239 Give it up Hoagie, your callous position lost. No one is buying it, not even some mean Republicans.


    I tried to interact with you reasonably Tillman but I see that can’t be done. My position is some how callous. Tell me moron, what is my position? Since I have not stated it you must be a god to know what it is.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  235. Haiku & Hoagie, Spanky’s the one who fell flat on his face here. Don’t foolishly try to blame me.

    Tillman (d34303)

  236. “YOU HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVELY CALLOUS (muttered under breath) unless you have to temporarily make a show of uniting.”

    Scott Adams would call this a ‘cognitive dissonance tell’.

    The President of the United States is fundamentally a uniter and can’t directly attack dumb ideas when they’re being emoted loudly 24/7 to emotional women on every screen in the land.

    Just like men pretend to agree with their wives when they yell, scream, and carry on while going off and doing what they were going to do before.

    Their deputies, underlings, and ideological allies, though? They get to be the harsh assholes that tell uncomfortable truths to third parties to lessen the pain of having it told to people directly. Most people are looking for personal emotional validation more than political goals in these things anyway.

    Don’t like it? Think it’s a confusing and annoying workaround that makes following politics difficult and much more socially dangerous than previously? WHY CAN’T PEOPLE JUST SAY WHAT THEY MEEEEEEAN?!?!?!?!

    The only people you have to blame for this state of affairs is democracy and the female race, and I don’t see YOU linking to #RepealThe19th.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  237. Notice who is emoting loudly 24/7 on this thread, and in ALL CAPS, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  238. Divorced Much?

    DRJ (15874d)

  239. The “female race”?

    Sam, you’re hilarious. KEEP UP THE ALL CAPS, IT MAKES YOU MUCH MUCH MORE PERSUASIVE!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  240. Had we taken a breath, we used to do that here, and consider that the methhead Hillary staffer might not have supplied all of the dfacts.

    Narciso (4f079d)

  241. “Haiku & Hoagie, Spanky’s the one who fell flat on his face here. Don’t foolishly try to blame me.“

    You’re dodging a very simple question. 0bama had caged the kids after encouraging them to bumrush our southern border.

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  242. “female race”

    yikes

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  243. The “female race”…

    They are a proud race, a source of contradictions, consternation and yet their beauty, grace and innate intelligence overcomes the downside…

    Gotta love them!

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  244. But the liberals within their ranks are in a race to teh bottom…

    Colonel Haiku (4428ea)

  245. “When we send Joe Thug to jail, his child normally has a family here of some sort and the child is not typically dragged across state lines

    Do they drag them behind ICE vehicles?

    harkin (70fe68)

  246. The only people you have to blame for this state of affairs is democracy and the female race

    If Dysphoria Sam didn’t exist I would have to invent him. Then people would say I was biased against Trump for inventing a Trump supporter who said the kinds of things he actually says.

    Womp womp

    Patterico (b867aa)

  247. “I work here is done” — Dysphoria Sam, soon.

    Patterico (b867aa)

  248. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 6/20/2018 @ 9:07 pm

    The Democrats will never vote for the Cruz bill

    That’s because I think it speeds up alylum claims, which means more will be denied. Fear of being murdered by gangs or by family members is not a grounds for asylum. That’s only if the government of their country is involved, or can be said to be. The reason the law is this way is because years ago, immigration from latin America wasn’t blocked very much.

    The bottom line is that leftists are opposed any enforcement of immigration law and will do whatever they can to put an end to it.

    They are more interested in keeping the back door open than the front door.

    to make it appear their decisions had some grounding in law.

    No it really does have a grounding, if enforcement is done inhumanely, and it can’t be done other than inhumanely or it doesn’t work.

    After all these years we’ve seen it repeatedly demonstrated that there are no solutions that both deter illegal immigration and are what the left would have you believe is humane.

    That’s not just teh left. THAT IS A FACT.

    And, funny, they don’t care about the humanity of the law if it’s a leftist wielding power.

    some do. they called Obama the Deporter in Chief. They eventually moved Obama to DACA and DAPA.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  249. Now it generally was the far left

    https://socialistworker.org/2016/01/07/deporter-in-chief-snatches-refugees

    WHEN REPUBLICAN presidents do something terrible, millions of people who identify as liberal or progressive in this country know about it–and often take action in protest. When Democrats do the very same thing, it can take years for the party’s base supporters to realize the horrible historical precedent that has been set.

    Such was the case with Bill Clinton’s crime bills and his drive for financial and telecommunications deregulation in the 1990s. The same may turn out to be true about Barack Obama’s decision in the summer of 2014 to stop the longstanding practice of putting migrants fleeing violence and persecution under the category of refugees.

    Or groups very focused on immigration

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/obama-blasted-hispanic-leader-deporter-in-chief-article-1.1713448

    The head of the nation’s oldest and largest Hispanic advocacy group blasts Obama as ‘the deporter-in-chief’

    By Albor Ruiz NEW YORK DAILY NEWS | Mar 09, 2014 | 3:00 AM

    Their honeymoon was already over, but last week, after the oldest and largest Hispanic advocacy organization in the country made clear it no longer supported him, the Latino divorce from President Obama became official.

    It happened Tuesday at the National Council of La Raza Capital Awards gala, in Washington, when the group’s president, Janet Murguía, called Obama “the deporter-in-chief” in her keynote address.

    With those words she added her voice — and the considerable weight of the NCLR — for the first time to the increasingly loud chorus demanding that the President use his executive powers to stop deportations, which are about to reach the 2 million mark. Obama has repeatedly said he cannot do so.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  250. Here is an ABC News story from August 29, 2016 that says Trump’s proposed policy is similar to that of Obama:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

    Here is what somebody wrote just after President Trump’s inauguration arguing how maybe Obama’s record is somewhere in between thode of his critics on the left and on the right:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

    Barack Obama was famously labeled “deporter in chief” by critics in the immigrant-rights community, even as enforcement-first advocates accused his administration of being soft on unauthorized immigrants. Which perception is accurate? With the Obama presidency just ended, a closer examination demonstrates the administration’s record is more nuanced than either criticism would imply….

    …. As detailed below, the Obama-era policies represented the culmination of a gradual but
    consistent effort to narrow its enforcement focus to two key groups: The deportation of criminals and recent unauthorized border crossers.

    :

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  251. Second, DHS/ICE would complete the criminal conspiracy and deliver the child to the parent if they caught the human trafficker at the border. The human trafficker would be arrested charged, and tried. But never the parent who initiated the criminal conspiracy to violate U.S. immigration laws and border security by hiring the trafficker. Do you think I’m using harsh language? That I’m exaggerating? That’s precisely how federal district court Judge Andrew S. Hanen of Brownsville, Texas, put it in his decision in U.S. v. Nava-Minartinez. He convicted Mirtha Veronica Nava-Martinez, an admitted human trafficker and resident alien, of a felony when she pleaded guilty to attempting to smuggle a ten-year-old El Salvadoran girl into the U.S. Whoever paid her to do it is a principal in the same crime. That’s the definition of conspiracy under the law, if two or more people agree to commit a crime, and at least one person makes an overt act to commit that crime, all involved are guilty of the same crime.

    We know “whoever” paid the human trafficker to smuggle in the little girl. The little girl’s mother. Did DoJ attempt to prosecute her like the prosecuted Nava-Minartinez, since having committed the overt act of paying the smuggler the mother was equally as guilty as her co-conspirator? Did DHS initiate deportation proceedings against the mother? No, of course not. They simply completed Nava-Minartinez’s criminal mission of smuggling the child all the way to Virginia and walked away.

    Why am I quoting myself? This:

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/smuggler-abandons-6-year-old-in-blazing-desert

    NEW YORK (FOX5NY) – A 6-year-old Costa Rican boy was rescued by U.S. Border Patrol agents after he was abandoned on a border road in Arizona on Tuesday evening.

    The agents discovered the boy just north of the border west of Lukeville in temperatures over 100 degrees.

    The child claimed that he was dropped off by “his uncle” and that Border Patrol would pick him up. Agents say the boy said he was on his way to see his mother in the U.S…

    The leftists claim to be heartbroken about family separation. They are, naturally, lying. But let’s pretend until the end of my comment they actually give a rat’s @$$ about the children. Why aren’t we prosecuting this child’s mother? After all, we prosecute parents who negligently leave their children in the backseats of cars for hours with the windows rolled up on a summer day even if the child doesn’t die. Because that’s child endangerment. We definitely prosecute parents who do so deliberately, for instance if a parent decides to pack the kids in the car and head down to the local convenience store to pick up a few things and oh by the way spend a couple of hours playing video poker.

    These illegal alien parents are worse. They know, for instance, if their child is a girl odds are she will be raped. So they make sure to put her on the pill or stock her up with Plan B so that when she is raped she won’t get pregnant. They know, because they’ve made the trip themselves, that like “uncle” here the smuggler will at some point abandon the child so as not to get caught. So they are rolling the dice and hope the human trafficker will abandon the child where the kid will be found before dying in the desert.

    This is what had Judge Hanen so riled up when he found it was DHS policy to complete the criminal mission of the conspiracy initiated by the parent. And to take no action against the parent. Who, incidentally, didn’t form a criminal conspiracy to violate the immigration laws of the United States to smuggle their child across the border for the benefit of the child. Because since we weren’t willing to enforce our immigration laws in 2001 or 2010 or yesterday and today we aren’t going to enforce them tomorrow or 2020 or 2025 or ever. So their child will become a “dreamer,” eventually get citizenship, which means they will be rewarded for every single felony they committed, that we know they committed, bur refused to prosecute them for by staying in the US forever.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  252. Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 6/21/2018 @ 2:37 pm, I wrote about Obama’s ATEP (Alien Transfer Exit Program) for a number of reasons. One of them is that I knew someone would bring up this nonsense about Obama being the “Deporter in Chief.” He wasn’t. ATEP involved putting Mexican national males on a bus or plane, sending them hundreds or over a thousand miles away, and sending them back over the border into a completely unknown (to the Mexican nationals) part of Mexico.

    Point being that these men never went before an immigration judge. Turning Mexican nationals around at the border has always been common practice. No President has ever counted these border ejections as a deportation before, because they’re not. To be deported the alien has to be ordered to be deported by an immigration judge. But Obama counted them to plus up his number and make it look like like he was aggressively enforcing immigration laws. If you separate the padding from the actual numbers, deportations went down under Obama. Especially in terms of deporting illegal aliens in the interior of the country.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  253. ‘I really
    don’t care
    do you?’

    Yes, Melania.

    Do me.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  254. Unconscionable. When they start ambushing ice agents you’ll apportion the blame accordingly.

    run 3 (0f33cc)


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