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6/18/2018

Troll Poll: Republicans Favor Kim Jong-un Over Pelosi

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:31 am



The Daily Beast trolls Republicans by publishing a poll showing Republicans have a more favorable view of Kim Jong-un than they have of Nancy Pelosi:

The poll of roughly 1,000 adults aged 18 and over was conducted June 14-15, shortly after President Trump’s historic summit with the North Korea dictator. According to the results, 19 percent of Republicans indicated they had a favorable view of Kim with 68 percent saying they had an unfavorable view (12 percent of voters overall had a favorable view of Kim, compared to 75 percent who viewed him unfavorably). That compared slightly better than the perception of Pelosi, who had a 17 percent favorable, 72 percent unfavorable rating among self-identified Republicans.

Pelosi, nevertheless, was only the second-most disliked figure on Capitol Hill. Her overall 29 percent favorable, 47 percent unfavorable rating was slightly better than the numbers for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). McConnell had an overall favorability rating of 20 percent with 43 percent viewing him unfavorable. (Self-identified Democrats, for what it’s worth, had a significantly more favorable opinion of McConnell than of Kim Jong Un.)

I have two reactions to this.

On one hand, I’m unsurprised and appalled, for obvious reasons. Kim is not the first murderous dictator who has risen in the estimation of Republicans after being praised by Trump, but the fact that this is a recurring phenomenon is disappointing in a very familiar sort of way.

On the other hand, I’m annoyed at the way the poll, and the story reporting it, both troll Republicans in various ways. First of all, there are other results unfavorable to Democrats that aren’t even mentioned. Examining the poll itself, one finds that 8% of Democrats approve of Kim Jong-un while only 10% of Democrats approve of Donald Trump. That is is well within the poll’s plus-or-minus 3.5 percentage point margin of error — as is the central point trumpeted by the story (19% of Republicans see Kim favorably while 17% see Pelosi favorably). Isn’t it worth mentioning that Democrats hate Trump so much that, as a group, they see him nearly as unfavorably as a man running the most twisted totalitarian society on the planet?

Then there are the questions not asked. Given that “President Trump was viewed favorably by 83 percent of Republicans, and just 10 percent of Democrats,” I’m sure we could find a leftist thug viewed more favorably by Democrats than that. They didn’t ask Democrats what they think of, say, Nicolas Maduro? If they wanted to troll Democrats the way they want to troll Republicans, maybe they could ask about Democrat approval of Xi Jinping while calling his economic policies socialistic.

Finally, Nancy Pelosi is an almost singular figure in terms of her lack of redeeming qualities. (I say “almost” singular because Hillary Clinton is similar. As is Donald Trump, if you put policy aside.)

Then we have this comment from the Daily Beast story:

Trump’s apparent stranglehold on Republican voters has also led them to buy into the notion that the mainstream media is out to get him in their coverage of the administration.

Presented with the statement “The mainstream media is biased against President Donald Trump,” 87 percent of Republicans surveyed agreed with 67 percent strongly agreeing. Only 20 percent of Democrats in the survey agreed with that sentiment.

I can’t stand Donald Trump and yet I agree with that statement. Does that mean Donald Trump has a “stranglehold” on me and my views? Um no. This is absurd.

So yeah. If you favor Kim Jong-un more than you favor Nancy Pelosi, your moral compass is way off. If you favor Kim Jong-un more than you favor Donald Trump, your moral compass is way off. There are certainly wild-eyed partisans holding one of these absurd beliefs on each side. Let’s stop pretending it’s a one-way street.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

197 Responses to “Troll Poll: Republicans Favor Kim Jong-un Over Pelosi”

  1. The basilisk is a troll factory, remember agrabah!

    narciso (5936c1)

  2. Pelosi was for Assad, when he was giving sanctuary to terrorist ambushing coalition forces.

    Narciso (5936c1)

  3. Trying to glean anything useful from the entire poll other than showing the majority of citizens are entirely clueless.

    Jay Leno used to do that regularly with his street cam.

    harkin (e5c973)

  4. Successful application of the Chewbacca defense, employed by Johnny Cochrane.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. I wonder how Kim Jong Un would fare against the winner of Clinton-zombie Mao?

    Leviticus (842d09)

  6. I believe that the mainstream media is dominated with liberal and moderate reporters and only a few conservatives. I can believe that is true without believing that they are “fake news”. That they make things up regularly. Like the President.

    And then there is what Tucker Carlson said the other day, “If you’re looking to understand what’s actually happening in this country, always assume the opposite of whatever they’re telling you on the big news stations,”

    Oh yea. Not only is FoxNews the official outlet for Administration propaganda but you should trust….. no…. others.

    Wow.

    noel (b4d580)

  7. Finally, Nancy Pelosi is an almost singular figure in terms of her lack of redeeming qualities.

    Pelosi was quite effective in whipping her caucus into passing Obamacare. While that’s not going to win her praise from Republicans, it is an indication of effectiveness. And, unlike Kim, she was able to get that done without murdering family members.

    Appalled (96665e)

  8. 4. Well, the majority of Americans still thinks that voting matters, so there’s that as well.

    Gryph (08c844)

  9. Except if its a law the dems decide they won’t abide by, then crimethink,

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. Pelosi was quite effective in whipping her caucus into passing Obamacare.

    You make it sound as if her caucus is filled with independent thinkers.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  11. Trump’s apparent stranglehold on Republican voters has also led them to buy into the notion that the mainstream media is out to get him in their coverage of the administration.

    I can’t stand Donald Trump and yet I agree with that statement. Does that mean Donald Trump has a “stranglehold” on me and my views?

    Nope. You’re not a Republican. You don’t count anymore.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  12. “I believe that the mainstream media is dominated with liberal and moderate reporters and only a few conservatives. I can believe that is true without believing that they are “fake news”. That they make things up regularly. Like the President.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/16-fake-news-stories-reporters-have-run-since-trump-won/

    Those are just in the first three months after the election.

    harkin (e5c973)

  13. The fact that Kim is a murdering commie pig should be enough to allow an idiot to make a rational choice. Now I happen to believe Pelosi is a commie pig also but she’s not a murderer. So perhaps it’s just a difference of degrees but Pelosi still beats the Lil Rocket Man. After all only one of them is a murdering commie pig.

    Pelosi gets a bad rap because like her commie co-stars, Warren, Waters and Hillary she keeps on talking long after she should have shut up. Well, that and the fact their total IQ is less than the temp at which water boils.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  14. Finally, Nancy Pelosi is an almost singular figure in terms of her lack of redeeming qualities. (I say “almost” singular because Hillary Clinton is similar. As is Donald Trump, if you put policy aside.)

    You’re comparing Nancy pelosi to Hillary Clinton? That would be not seeing what’s wrongg with Hillary Clinton. Nancy pelosi is not part of – or aleader anyway – of a would be shut-people-up political machine; she is not corrupt – she’s just empty. Hillary is anything but empty. She’s a semi-skillful liar.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  15. Love this post.

    Mike (3e803f)

  16. The news media has not been helpful in alerting or reminding people what kind of a dictatorship North Korea is, and they barely know it themselves. Although it’s not quite as bad as when Nixon visited China in 1972. But maybe that acknowledgement of some reality is due to Trump Derangement Syndrome which works against the more usual tendency toward not finding anything wrong with dictatators the U.S. opposed in the past.

    Also, favorability tends to reflect the latest thing the person in question did or did not do. They like they he caved into all of Trump’s demands (what Trump is saying)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  17. Meanwhile….

    “What is likely to happen is that to preempt the growing demand for the reestablishment of national borders — which would threaten the very existence of the EU — Merkel will expand the burgeoning system of virtual internal borders which will allow Brussels to allocate migrants according to EU social policy instead of merely letting the individual countries decide whom they want to admit. It’s a desperate move, but these are desperate times.

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/the-revolt-comes-to-germany/

    Some are saying she won’t last through June.

    And ya gotta love how the NYTimes describes her more-border-enforcement interior minister:

    “The mutiny is led by her own interior minister, Horst Seehofer, a former Bavarian premier with a towering stature and plenty of beer-tent charisma, who sounds more in line with the nativist forces shaping politics in neighboring countries than with his own boss.

    lol – just in case you weren’t thinking of Hitler/Nazis.

    harkin (e5c973)

  18. “WEIRD, YOU’D NEVER KNOW THIS FROM FOLLOWING THE NEWS: Gallup: Satisfaction With U.S. Direction Reaches 12-Year High.” https://news.gallup.com/poll/235739/satisfaction-direction-reaches-year-high.aspx

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/299712/

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  19. 11… LOL, BuDuh… why, I’m appalled by that notion…

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  20. Col. – how dare you post satisfaction polls while children are being kidnapped by Trump and housed in pet carriers.

    harkin (e5c973)


  21. lol – just in case you weren’t thinking of Hitler/Nazis.
    harkin


    The first thing I thought of when I read it was Sieg Heil!, harkin. But that’s the emotion they were going for. You see, anybody who is patriotic=nationalist=white supremacist=Nazi. It’s the Fake News’ subtle way of suggesting Trump and anybody who supports Trump is no better than a racist Nazi and should be treated that way. Which, in case you haven’t noticed, is exactly how they treat Trump and his supporters.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  22. Donald Trump doesn’t have a “stranglehold” on you because you’re not a Republican, which should be liberating. The Daily Beast verbiage was “stranglehold on Republicans”, which I believe is true because if you’re in the party and critical of Trump, there are consequences such as getting bounced out of a conservative website or having Trumpalista commenters going after you.
    Yeah, the poll is trollish. I have an unfavorable view of both Pelosi and Fat Kim, but it didn’t ask the degree of that unfavorability.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  23. harkin (e5c973) — 6/18/2018 @ 9:24 am
    This is Bavaria. Munich. Oktoberfest.

    If you know the history of beer, the fact that the world’s biggest beer bash is held in a city whose name derives from the word meaning monk is pretty reasonable.

    kishnevi (5bd7eb)

  24. #11. Pelosi was trying to wrangle votes from people who would settle for nothing less than “Medicare for All”, and other Dems who were still trying to appear to be against abortion. Though you’d never know it from the press, the Dems are divided most of the time, and if they ever get power again, they will likely develop a group like the “Freedom Caucus” that manages to prevent any work getting done, because compromise is a big naughty naughty.

    Appalled (96665e)

  25. Such a dilemma, should I buy gold or silver?

    mg (9e54f8)

  26. Here’s yer answer, mg… https://youtu.be/4c3Sdf7u6Ts

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  27. “Wrangling” votes through bribery is the effectiveness you are praising?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  28. Good one, Col.

    mg (9e54f8)

  29. That Pelosi’s a pip!

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  30. On one hand, I’m unsurprised and appalled, for obvious reasons. Kim is not the first murderous dictator who has risen in the estimation of Republicans after being praised by Trump

    1. Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    2. What evidence do you have that Republicans estimation of Kim rose after Trump’s praise flattery?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  31. praise

    Kevin M (752a26)

  32. The percentage of Republicans who have a favorable view of either Nancy Pelosi or Kim Jong Un should be zero. That 17% and 19% only reflects those *self-identified* Republicans who don’t know who either one is. If it reflects anything at all.

    nk (dbc370)

  33. Damn, I love the Stones.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  34. 34… right there with you, my friend!

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  35. Any fan who hasn’t seen Stones Rock and Roll Circus from ‘68, they’ve got it on ShoTime’s on demand. Two thumbs up! 👍 👍

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  36. #28 – Do you think things pass in Congress any other way? And is a Congresscritter really doing their job if they do not get something concrete for the district they represent one way or another?

    Appalled (96665e)

  37. I do not view Kim separately from the state he controls. However, should the nature of that state change for the better, it will be solely because of Kim, and — should that come to pass — my estimation of him will rise. Perhaps only to minimum high regard, but rise nonetheless.

    Here we have a guy who has chosen to play the NK Game of Thrones — bad move in general — and there are rules to that game, the first of which is utter ruthlessness […and surprise]. Kim has played that game well and now controls his country without opposition.

    Only Nixon could go to China, and only Kim can change the direction of his country. Do I expect that? No. But it is possible, and clearly this is what Trump is suggesting as his way forward. And there is always Plan B.

    I hold out more hope for Kim changing, however, than I do for Pelosi changing.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  38. if they ever get power again, they will likely develop a group like the “Freedom Caucus” that manages to prevent any work getting done, because compromise is a big naughty naughty.

    With Tom Steyer funding the Democrat party, most of them are now in the “Statist Caucus.” Blue Dog Democrats are as rage as blue hound’s teeth.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  39. Gallup: Satisfaction With U.S. Direction Reaches 12-Year High

    Nothing to do with Trump. It just happened. It was inevitable.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  40. ~WARNING: Pikachu Bait Trap~

    Well, some people are trying keep head above water in case of a needed “purge”:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  41. 40… what made it inevitable Kevin? I posted it because it’s good news as far as it goes. I’ll look to see who else in the media mentions it over the next few days, out of curiosity.

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  42. /sarc colonel. It’s what they said about Reagan and the Cold War ending.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  43. *Blue Dog Democrats are as raRe as blue hound’s teeth.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  44. “Nothing to do with Trump. It just happened. It was inevitable.”

    Obama is gone and reduced to comparatively small-scale theft and lying…..

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obama-presidential-center-to-cost-illinois-taxpayers-nearly-200-million

    ….and Hillary is not in the White House, instead touring the world and blaming everyone but herself for her election loss…

    https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/05/cal_thomas_hillary_clinton_and.html

    I can understand the optimism.

    harkin (70fe68)

  45. What’s the next headline gonna be? 100% of voters are Homo? What does it matter I left out “Sapien”? What I wrote was correct as far as it went.

    I might could learn to like this game.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  46. yes yes mayor titty tee has done such damage to the cause of that miserable little island

    she needs the royal mueller treatment all up in it

    happyfeet (ea07f0)

  47. On one hand, I’m unsurprised and appalled, for obvious reasons. Kim is not the first murderous dictator who has risen in the estimation of Republicans after being praised by Trump, but the fact that this is a recurring phenomenon is disappointing in a very familiar sort of way.

    Please. The difference between the Republican and general populace favorable rating is minor — 19% to 12%. With a margin of error of +/- 3.5%. That means that KJU has a slight edge among Republicans over the general populace in terms of favorable ratings. Hardly proof of Trump derangement.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  48. North Korea was a last week story this week we’re all about exploring guttersnipe laura bush’s feels about why illegal immies should be treated better than for reals Americans

    happyfeet (ea07f0)

  49. Frankly, they way things are shaking out the real question is who do Republicans favor more: Laura Bush or Kim? The bushes managed to keep their c**kholsters (thanks Patterico) closed for 8 years of the gay moslem commie’s reign but suddenly Laura is “woke”. How many times must I say the Republicans are liberals?

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  50. 43… oh… let me shake my head, my eyes are stuck, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  51. Yeah I know that makes no sense I was going with illegal guttersnipes then I really liked putting gutter in front of Laura I think if I had been in office I would’ve done better but I’m stuck in an airport chili’s

    happyfeet (ea07f0)

  52. 49.North Korea was a last week story this week we’re all about exploring guttersnipe laura bush’s feels about why illegal immies should be treated better than for reals Americans

    No doubt eating better than many American kids in Appalachia, too, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Kim is unique in his apparent willingness to “reach across the aisle” pursuing the hallowed “consensus”

    Steveg (be3882)

  54. Most interesting part of IG Horowitz hearings– tanned blonde w/hoop earrings in white mini dress and hot pink nail polish vigorously texting behind him at press table. Golly gee, she’s on the TeeVee!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. I can’t imagine how anyone could perceive a Stalinesque dictator as better than Nancy Pelosi. Then again, I also can’t imagine how anyone could have preferred Donald Trump over Ted Cruz. This era is an era of institutionalized craziness.

    LJ (df9cb7)

  56. “The mainstream media is biased against President Donald Trump,” 87 percent of Republicans surveyed agreed with 67 percent strongly agreeing.

    Nah. They’re biased against blatant, habitual liars. But the MSM, including Fox, adore him; he’s a hit show w/every daily episode; a ratings gold mine: a JR Ewing- the brash, bad boy everybody loves to hate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. How many times must I say the Republicans are liberals?

    Rev.Hoagie

    What do you mean by the expression “liberal?” Personally I have no interest in defending Republicans, but I do think classic liberalism, the idea everyone has inherent natural rights, and should be treated equally, is a view many so-called conservatives hold. Of course, in Political Science classes, conservatives just want to preserve the ‘status quo,’ but I’ve never met a conservative who sees the world that way (do conservatives want to preserve abortion rights and our immigration non-enforcement?)

    The bushes managed to keep their c**kholsters (thanks Patterico) closed for 8 years of the gay moslem commie’s reign

    It took me a while to figure out what this sentence meant, but I guess you’re saying that Laura Bush’s mouth is a holster for Obama’s penis. When you make points like this, it’s out of anger you created yourself. Laura Bush never did anything to you. You’re poisoning your heart.

    But I guess your point is that the Bush couple didn’t run around criticizing Obama that much. Obama seems to be keeping a lower profile than most of us expected, and he’s letting Trump speak for himself. But this issue, the way these kids are being treated, has been elevated into a national discussion by the idea that this is called for by scripture. Everyone in the Christian faith has a stake in describing and embodying what they want Christianity to be, and what the Trump administration is telling it should be. We disagree about it. I don’t want Laura Bush to be quiet because she’s such a warm example of the faith.

    But you make a point in there. She wants those illegal immigrant children treated compassionately and similarly to other kids. This is indeed, in some sense, liberal. Does that make it wrong?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  58. Americans love to be entertained: Kim makes for a better Bond villain than Pelosi.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. I abjure laura bush

    happyfeet (ea07f0)

  60. Meanwhile, back in FakeNewsLand……

    Twitter Liberals [including a New Yorker writer and a Hollywood actor] Falsely Accuse Disabled Veteran of Having Nazi Tattoo

    Social media users over the weekend falsely accused a wounded veteran and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement analyst of being a Nazi after ICE tweeted out his picture with a partially obscured tattoo….

    …..An ICE spokesman confirmed to the Washington Free Beacon that the veteran pictured is Cpl. Justin Gaertner, who lost both legs in Afghanistan while sweeping for improvised explosive devices. The agency also said the tattoo is not of a Nazi symbol at all.

    “Per Mr. Gaertner, the tattoo on his left elbow is the ‘Titan 2,’ the symbol for his platoon while he fought in Afghanistan,” ICE said. “The writing on his right arm is the Spartan Creed which is about protecting family and children.”

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/twitter-liberals-falsely-accuse-disabled-veteran-nazi-tattoo/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    harkin (e5c973)

  61. Trudeau would make a good Dick Tracy villain – ‘Caterpillars’

    harkin (e5c973)

  62. Its like when hitler attacked stalin you don’t know who to boo for!

    hajo (74b8b9)

  63. 45 obammy is probably out robbing liquor stores at night.

    hajo (74b8b9)

  64. Laura Bush is a great American.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  65. 1. Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    2. What evidence do you have that Republicans estimation of Kim rose after Trump’s praise flattery?

    I didn’t say propter hoc, I said post hoc. And post hoc is clear.

    Kim had a 7% favorability rating among Republicans in early May. Now it’s 19%.

    Putin also went up in popularity among Republicans after being praised by Trump.

    Patterico (53a75b)

  66. Please. The difference between the Republican and general populace favorable rating is minor — 19% to 12%. With a margin of error of +/- 3.5%. That means that KJU has a slight edge among Republicans over the general populace in terms of favorable ratings. Hardly proof of Trump derangement.

    Republican support for Kim has nearly tripled in a month.

    Patterico (53a75b)

  67. Sasse and Kennedy in the hearing today went to places few are bothering to consider. Kennedy’s interrogation was most enjoyable. Please check it out if you get the chance.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  68. “Its like when hitler attacked stalin you don’t know who to boo for!

    The American Left did not have that problem:

    “American Communist “peace movements” attacked all help for Britain but were instantly dissolved the moment Hitler attacked Russia. Veterans of the Communist-led Abraham Lincoln Brigade, who fought against the Nationalist in the Spanish Civil War and insisted that the democracies help fight France, marched in the streets of New York City to oppose America entering the war against Nazi Germany.

    https://www.americanthinker.com

    harkin (e5c973)

  69. That poll pales in comparison to this one.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  70. Examining the poll itself, one finds that 8% of Democrats approve of Kim Jong-un while only 10% of Democrats approve of Donald Trump.

    If you favor Kim Jong-un more than you favor Donald Trump, your moral compass is way off.

    There is likely overlap between the “approve of Trump” and “approve of Kim” categories, don’t you think?

    It’s pretty obvious that there is some fraction of people in both parties who are simply uninformed about Kim. Larry Elder used to talk about “the Elvis factor” – that 10% of people will believe or agree to just about anything. For years, Elder used the example that 12% of people polled believed Elvis was still alive; that number had only dropped to 11% by 2014

    That GOP support for Kim has now risen significantly above Elvis territory, thanks to the adoration lavished on the dictator by Donald J. Trump, is a perfect example of why principled conservatives should reject Trump categorically, and without reservation or exception.

    Dave (eba493)

  71. It’s pretty obvious that there is some fraction of people in both parties who are simply uninformed about Kim.

    I should have added: unfortunately, one of them happens to be president.

    Dave (eba493)

  72. @72. “Shah! Shah! Ayatollah so!” – Robin Williams

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. What would the numbers have looked like if the poll-takers had mentioned that Donald Trump has donated heavily to Nancy Pelosi’s re-election campaigns?

    Withholding that crucial fact seems like an obvious attempt to skew the results…

    Dave (eba493)

  74. Indeed, you did not SAY proptor hoc, you only left it for readers to infer. With phrases like this:

    Putin also went up in popularity among Republicans after being praised by Trump.

    You can say that you never said it was because of the praise, but if you didn’t intend that, why write it?

    Separately, if you are trying to suggest that 17% of Republicans are dumb as posts, I have to admit you’ve got a point. Then again 44% of Millennials want to live under socialism so 3 times as many Millennials are stupider than dirt.

    We agree though at the lost chance this country had regarding Cruz. This could have been so much better with several of the other candidates. My support of Trump is based solely on the idea that sub-optimum is better than disaster. Attempting to destroy Trump gains me nothing.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  75. IF you can fill in Step 2, though, I’ll go over to your side:

    1. Trash Trump over and over
    2. ????????????
    3. President Cruz!

    Kevin M (752a26)

  76. Dave, anyone who thinks

    “Kids, at least you got to see your daddy win something,” he added to Cruz’s daughters, who joined Cruz and his wife, Heidi, on the court.”

    is funny cannot call himself a “principled conservative”. Even “conservative” seems a stretch.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  77. You can say that you never said it was because of the praise, but if you didn’t intend that, why write it?

    I always hesitate before appearing to put words in Patrick’s mouth, but perhaps he considers that the sham summit and concomitant facade of stature, amiability and reasonableness bestowed on Kim – which are also Trump’s doing, but not exactly the same as his nauseating shower of personal plaudits and accolades – could also be responsible for Kim’s Strange New Respect among so-called Republicans.

    Dave (eba493)

  78. “Kim had a 7% favorability rating among Republicans in early May. Now it’s 19%.”

    Knocking people for warming to someone who’s signaling at least a little bit of repentance for prior misdeeds is a very Prodigal Son’s Elder Brother view to take.

    Kim also rose meteorically in estimation among leftists…when he made that ‘dotard’ crack. Which rise is more morally defensible and indicative of the willfully ignorant nature of the user, I wonder?

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  79. “I always hesitate before appearing to put words in Patrick’s mouth, but perhaps he considers that the sham summit and concomitant facade of stature, amiability and reasonableness bestowed on Kim – which are also Trump’s doing, but not exactly the same as his nauseating shower of personal plaudits and accolades – could also be responsible for Kim’s Strange New Respect among so-called Republicans.”

    So Trump gets all the worthless tangibles like the bones and bodies of people alive and dead and a face-to-face with Kim, while Kim gets all the priceless intangibles like ‘prestige’, ‘stature’, ‘amiability’, ‘reasonableness’, ‘personal plaudits’, ‘accolades’, and other things too precious to trade on any worldly exchange.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  80. 73) that would be the like of Richard fall, still committing category error 40 years later, of Richard bulliet of columbia

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. Trump announces ‘Space Force’ plan as he signs space policy directive

    “We are going to have the Air Force, and we are going to have the Space Force,” Trump said. “Separate but equal.” -source, latimes.com

    “Astro Boy, bombs away; On your mission today; Here’s a countdown; And a blastoff; Everything is Go, Astro Boy! Crowds will cheer you; You’re a hero; As you go, go, go, Astro Boy!”

    This is so, so, so f-cked up.

    “…only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say that we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours. There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation may never come again.” – JFK, Rice University, 9-12-62

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. We need to consider what the end result of these efforts will be, a few years into the future, should we learn that the North Koreans had never intended to keep their side of the denuclearization bargain. In that case, we’ll look like worse than suckers.

    “He’s the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head,” Trump told Fox News Channel. “Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”

    This sounds like Trump admires what Kim has done that got his people to fear him and sit at attention him. Perhaps Trump was misunderstood here, but he’s praised cruel actions from dictatorships before as the way to be a strong ruler, and he is, of course, the leader of the free world, so hard for me to understand how he’s not praising the very thing that is wrong with Kim.

    “We have a really great relationship for the first time ever,” Trump told Doocy. “No president’s ever had this. So I get hit by these fakes back here” — he pointed dismissively to a group of journalists who were gathered behind him on the driveway — “not all of them, some are phenomenal, but I get hit because I went there, I gave him credibility. I think it’s great to give him credibility.”

    At a minimum, Trump believes he has been criticized because he’s given a dictatorship credibility, and Trump’s reaction hasn’t been to deny it, but rather to say he is great for doing so. And that the people saying the truth are “fakes.” It’s very common for Trump’s fans to call people fake when they are authentic and accurate. “Lyin’ Ted” for example.

    Give this a few years, and Trump will be seen as having coddled a bad guy, bragging he coddled a bad guy, and we’ll be scratching our heads that the GOP nominated him. Kevin’s right that there’s no magic way to get Ted Cruz into the White House now, but it’s very, very important that the GOP take full blame for becoming the party that is soft on foreign policy, naive in the face of evil, and finds crushing of dissent to be “strong rule.”

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  83. Laura booosh is a democratic. Zero great about that or anything else with that global family.

    mg (9e54f8)

  84. Well Kim so respects Obama, he had Otto warmbier tortured into a catatonic state, the most affected by his Korea policy was James rosen, by 2013 they had the miniaturized warheads pared up with the boosters from yuralmash

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. 77… oh, c’mon Kevin. He claims he is so it must be so, though nigh on a thousand posts would indicate otherwise.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  86. Cruz will never be in the WH.

    He’s just like Hillary: preachy, uninspiring and most of the country as well as virtually all of his colleagues just don’t like him.

    Find a fresh horse to ride.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. 87 agree

    hajo (74b8b9)

  88. Starblazers should be the theme for the space force, they did a live action battleship tomato, but it was in Japanese,

    narciso (fa7efc)

  89. But vultron is the one keeps remade and reaired.

    narciso (fa7efc)

  90. See what I mean:

    https://youtu.be/D1vJ9sVgyNg

    narciso (fa7efc)

  91. @89. Argo. They already own the rights.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. 87… you, ASPCA, can’t point to a single Democrat – not one – in the Congress with even half as much on the ball as Ted Cruz. The man is as sharp and on point as one can be.

    As an aside, it appears – at least until the IG got wind of it – that expressing the view that Donald Trump “is a fvcking idiot” or something similar may have been key criteria for participation on the Clinton email “investigation”, if not employment as an agent.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  93. Cruz’s questioning of the IG today was masterful.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  94. Fearless Leader has weighed in on the favorability poll.

    US Republicans found to vastly prefer Marshall Kim Jong Un’s pure socialism over Noted Idiot Nancy Pelosi’s medicore comprised “socialism”.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  95. Nice, Hoagie!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. This DHS Secretary Nielsen is tough as nails, I like what I see at this press conference.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. @93 =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    ‘The man is as sharp and on point as one can be.’

    A pinhead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. Dave, anyone who thinks

    “Kids, at least you got to see your daddy win something,” he added to Cruz’s daughters, who joined Cruz and his wife, Heidi, on the court.”

    is funny cannot call himself a “principled conservative”. Even “conservative” seems a stretch.

    Putting aside the fact that I never said or remotely suggested that I thought it was funny, how does one’s opinion of a crass attempt at humor have anything to do with political philosophy?

    My only comment on Kimmel’s low blow at Cruz’s family was to call it “Almost Trumpian”.

    How could you possibly interpret my comparing anyone or anything to Donald Trump as praise?

    Dave (eba493)

  99. This strange new respect for Laura Bush that teh media has is heartwarming, isn’t it?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. @100. “Kids, at least you got to see your daddy win something,” he added to Cruz’s daughters, who joined Cruz and his wife, Heidi, on the court.”

    As our Captain would tweet: “Sad.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. 99… I see you’ve minced away from the challenge, ASPCA…

    “My old grandmother could do better than that.”

    — Sgt. Carter, Gomez Pyle: USMC

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. As our Captain would tweet: “Sad.”

    Trump would have thrown in something about their Gramps peeling JFK’s cap.

    Dave (eba493)

  103. Dave you are one of the worst leftist trolls out there. Your constant neverTrump harangue has made you simultaneously comical and pathetic. Almost every comment is a testament to TDS and a bad case of what happens to a person who buys in to the propaganda. Yu have become a lead cultist in a cult of anti American hate. You are making Nazi Pelosi look sane.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  104. So the same people who support third term post-viability abortion for purposes of sex selection are preaching to us about their love for children.

    That is rich.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. Thaws why I went to my favorite early Japanese anime, before robotech, qitu some elements later scene in ghost in the shell.

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. Hi Hoagie!

    Dave you are one of the worst leftist trolls out there.

    You defend a president who says the Stalinist dictator of North *freaking* Korea is “strong”, “funny”, “smart”, “very talented” and an overall swell guy who “loves his people”.

    And I’m the leftist.

    Yeah, OK.

    Dave (eba493)

  107. If I had to choose, Ivanka wore it better.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  108. Cruz sees an opportunity.

    Bipartisan outrage is growing over the practice of separating children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.
    On Monday, U.S. Senators John Cornyn and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) announced plans to keep parents and their children together at the border.
    Sen. Cornyn discussed his plan to update and reintroduce his 2014 legislation, the HUMANE Act, to keep parents and children who’ve been apprehended at the border together while they wait for their court hearings.

    This would be better than beating Kimmel.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  109. I love Ted. His scheme is farcical.

    He expects dispositive hearings within TWO WEEKS as to legitimacy of asylum claims, let alone claims of parenthood of specific children?

    The issue is the issue: At some point, we either defend the borders and maintain any semblance of the Rule of Law, or we do not. At some point, WE have to be the “bad guy.”

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  110. Why let the facts get in the way of the narrative:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KerryPicket/status/1008831515587940352?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. Bipartisan outrage is growing over the practice of separating children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Why does Ted fall for this?

    From today’s press conference:

    I want to be clear on a couple of the things. The vast, vast majority of children who are in the care of HHS right now, 10,000 of the 12,000, were sent here alone by their parents. That’s when they were separated,” she said.

    “So somehow we have conflated everything. There is two separate issues — 10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers to undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone. We now care for them.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kirstjen-nielsen-obama-separated-immigrant-families-too

    What exactly is Ted trying to fix? Maybe we should fly the parents in from whatever part of the world where they chose to abandon their kids.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  112. At some point, WE have to be the “bad guy.”

    So let’s embrace it, then.

    Trump should threaten to start beheadings, ISIS-style, unless Mexico ponies up for the wall they owe us him.

    Child sacrifice is very Biblical, after all.

    Dave (eba493)

  113. The high frontier wee very much on lbjs mind when it came to the space race, because a r7ethat could carry a satellite could also deliver a nuclear warhead across the ocean,

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. ConDave, what other outrage will you hatch in the faculty lounge? Keep them coming.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. He forgets the tufnel rule, going full Otto must be painful.

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. I agree, BuDuh.

    DRJ (15874d)

  117. Remember they pulled the same stunt with the dacha bill, the cover wee that apocryphal statement that created agitate over the weekend.

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. Ted has to stand out front on this, if only to prevent wannabe RFK of the Rio Bravo from a headline grabbing 175 degree turn.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  119. French likes the Cruz proposal.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  120. @111/@114- w/apologies to Tom Lehrer…

    Gather round while I sing you of Canadian Cruz,
    A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience;
    Call him unprincipled for changing his views,
    “Principles, schminzaples,” coos Canadian Cruz

    Don’t say that he’s hypocritical,
    Say rather that he’s quite political;
    “Once my position is made, by next week it’s old news!
    Memories are short,” coos Canadian Cruz

    Some have harsh word for his bait-and-switch ruse,
    But some say their attitude should be one of gratitude;
    Like the wife and the father; their honor abused,
    So easily betrayed by Canadian Cruz

    You become a conservative hero,
    Showing Texans you’ll stand up for zero;
    “As Rafael ‘oder’ Edward, to Beto I can lose;
    It’s a hoop, not a ring,” coos Canadian Cruz

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. As if logic would stop bertico, ‘why are these people detained at all, they have committed no crime’ that doesn’t even require two Kevin bacon of reach.

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. United States Space Force; USSF.

    Our Captain is bound and determined to get those two letters on an American military outfit some how, some way.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. We are dealing with a President that goes wobbly if a certain bald guy from Samohi is out of walkie talkie range, Narciso.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  124. Why not call Trump’s space force Star Fleet. After all, his idea and Star Trek are both fictitious.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  125. A little too ambitious, just ‘protect the frontier again zur and the Kodan armada’

    Name the film

    narciso (43b2e2)

  126. So now that the casualties of Ortegas turbans, have reach 150, sasse can preen on not intervening there either.

    narciso (43b2e2)

  127. A little jazzier like the avengers

    https://youtu.be/n2rVnRwW0h8

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  128. That was a cryptic reference to Steven Miller, as was the Jonathan banks earlier.

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  129. A little too ambitious, just ‘protect the frontier again zur and the Kodan armada’

    Name the film

    narciso (43b2e2) — 6/18/2018 @ 7:20 pm

    Plan 9 From Outer Space

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  130. Trump’s stranglehold on Republicans apparently includes their agreeing with him on separating immigrant children from their parents. 58% agree with Trump’s separation policy. CNN Poll, today.

    If Republicans don’t get soundly defeated this fall, it won’t be because of me. Family values my arse.

    noel (b4d580)

  131. No, the last star fighter,

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  132. Glen Morgan’s space above :

    https://youtu.be/E8m5wvhkEGY

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  133. Not only shouldn’t illegal immigrant children not be separated from their mothers and/or fathers, American children shouldn’t be separated either.

    One of the worst American policies today is the decision of President Donald Trump’s administration to separate many immigrant parents from their children after they illegally cross the U.S. border. Obviously, a case can be made for enforcing the border, but deliberate cruelty is never a good idea. Those children — innocent victims all of them — will likely be traumatized for life. I am uncomfortably reminded of the U.S.’s long history of separating parents and children from the days of slavery and during Native American removal and extermination.
    If you agree with me on this, I’d like to push you one step further. It’s horrible to forcibly separate lawbreaking parents from their young children, but we do that to American citizens, too. According to one 2010 study, more than 1.1 million men and 120,000 women in U.S. jails and prisons have children under the age of 17. These separations can be traumatic, and they help perpetuate generational cycles of low achievement and criminal behavior.
    These problems are especially pressing for female prisoners and their children. From 1991 to 2007, the number of children with a mother in prison more than doubled, rising 131 percent. About two-thirds of the women in state prisons are there for nonviolent offenses. Sixty percent of those women have children under the age of 18, and in one survey one-quarter of the prisoners’ children were under the age of 4. Forty-one percent of the women in state prison had more than one child.
    I have a simple proposal: Let’s take one-tenth of those women and move them from prison to house arrest, combined with electronic monitoring. That would allow for proximity to their children. If the U.S. isn’t plagued by a subsequent wave of violent crime — and I don’t think it will be — let us try the same for yet another tenth. Let’s keep on doing this until it’s obviously not working. In some of these cases the court might rule that the mother — especially if she is prone to child abuse or substance abuse — will not have full custody rights to her children. Many other children, though, will benefit, and even visitation rights can help a child.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  134. It has that symphonic score, without the words

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  135. I still miss Phil Hartman.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  136. Why are they so insistent in not having proof of citizenship?

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  137. noel, you’re just another leftist troll. You even repeat the same crap every other commie on the left has all day. “Trumps stranglehold on Republicans” don’t make me laugh. Unlike you leftist lemmings nobody has any hold on Republicans. Once again leftist projection at work.

    And as usual you leftists can’t help but spew lies like “separating immigrant children from their parents. 58% agree with Trump’s separation policy. CNN Poll, today.” which is the law passed by Congress and has been “policy” since George W. Bush and the moslem commie Hussein. But now it’s “Trumps policy” even though he had nothing to do with it.

    And about that “If Republicans don’t get soundly defeated this fall” I wouldn’t hold your left wing pinko breath. You people are so predictable. A bunch of illegal aliens brig their kids here illegally deliberately to be separated and you blame Trump. Blame their criminal parents, you anti American clown. We are not a day care center for the world. The United States of America is a sovereign nation. We’re not a charity. We’re not a homeless shelter. And we’re not the world’s friggin’ halfway house. Our Government’s primary role is to preserve and protect the rights of its citizens. It has never been to act as an outreach charity for the world.

    You better start worrying about your fellow Americans and not give in to the leftist propaganda. That is unless you WANT to turn the US into the try of sh!thole these people are leaving.

    We cannot offer welfare and have any type of immigration. The two are incompatible. Just like you can’t leave your doors open and your air conditioning running. Won’t work. It’s illogical to hang a “Free Beer” sign in front of your bar and NOT expect to attract a penniless crowd.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  138. I’m beginning to believe that Rev.Hoagie’s comments are performance art every bit as much as happyfeet’s.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  139. No I think he’s quite sincere, experience has shaped his view,

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  140. The absolute hatred of everything about America that is in the film’s the movies the programs the sneering disdain for Christianity and the cloying adulation for Islam, hence Catholic can be excoriated, but Tommy Robinson can be verboten for bringing the issue up.

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  141. I know England but thats just a bigger boat.

    Narciso (43b2e2)

  142. @140. I still miss Phil Hartman.

    Was at a business event 20 years ago and a beaming Hartman came by w/a tall, stunning blond on his arm- his wife, Brynn– what was memorable out of all the guests was how both seemed so easy going and content together. Not a sign of trouble. Literally 30 days later she shot him dead– along with herself. You just never can tell…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. Rev.Hoagie imagines that I am a leftist troll?? I am a registered Republican who worked on Presidential, US Senate as well as Congressionl campaigns. Mayor too. Names you’re familiar with. Very conservative too.

    I don’t really give a shift what you think. I care… about reality.

    noel (b4d580)

  144. Did they vote for the1997 law, that Clinton signed?

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Why are they so insistent in not having proof of citizenship?

    Did you read the article you linked?

    “Robinson found the Kansas law disproportionately impacts qualified voters, while only nominally preventing noncitizen voter registration.”

    How many citizens are you willing to disenfranchise in order to prevent a largely manufactured problem (non-citizens registering to vote).

    Davethulhu (7e7722)

  146. Sigh. This is like the 80s, when anyone who disagreed with the Left was called a “fascist.” Generally by people who had little concept of what the term meant, and instead just intended an insult.

    Same is true with this silliness of calling everyone you disagree with a leftist Democrat or a “commie” (reminds me of my late father’s diatribes). It’s anger and false macho and overall a waste of electrons. Debate a point: the name calling is juvenile and shows a fundamental lack of seriousness.

    Unless, of course, the goal is to troll others and have flame wars.

    Simon Jester (9bc4ea)

  147. Except for the inconvenient fact, that many of these memes about transnationality, the fungability of sovereignty, all paths to god are left in orientation.

    Back then, they would only block Kirkpatrick from campus, now its not an exaggeration ask Charles Murray that bodily harm can eventuate. I know fancy words

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. As you well know, the sanctuary movement began innthe 80s, an unkind contribution to the left with the nuclear freeze.

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. Hoagie seems to think that if you don’t fully support Trump you are a Leftist.
    But he’s also said civil rights was a Communist plot and that apartheid was good for South Africa’s blacks.
    I do wish he would keep quiet, if only to help Trump. Anyone who wanted to prove Trump supporters were all ignorant white supremacists would find plenty of helpful evidence in hus remarks.

    kishnevi (1f5233)

  150. Paul Montagu, I would like to think it’s performance art too.

    noel (2ee4df)

  151. If sharpton and mckisson are the end product of the civil rights movement, if the triumph of umkhonto is the rejoinder to the Boer well something went wrong, and lets not bring up duke, has a irrelevant a Jesse Jackson at this point

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. kishnevi suggests that people who are smart enough to see through Hoagie’s generalizations won’t be so smart when it comes to generalizations about Trump supporters.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  153. Well duh I wouldn’t take that bet if I lived in derbies district, the weekly standard did their best squirrel with the awan matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. See if you ignore that the events of last fall, began with albrights lambda, then any notion is acceptable.

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. Lambada, but if Nixon could ignore mao blood soaked hands which would prefigure year zero, then any obfuscation is possible.

    Narciso (d6e126)

  156. Now there are bright spot I mentioned that missionary couple in Zimbabwe that saw most of their brethren slaughtered in 1978, the international community looked the other way, they nonetheless stayed and brought one of the perpetrators to christ

    Narciso (d6e126)

  157. But by all keep on trucking,

    Narciso (d6e126)

  158. Build the Gosh Darn wall. And tell those illegals to take their kids home.
    Pronto

    mg (9e54f8)

  159. As I wrote here, if Democrat really wanted to challenge Trump on The Wall, they’d give him every single cent to build it.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  160. Build the wall with air-conditioned suites and watch the illegals wander.
    GTFOH

    mg (9e54f8)

  161. Simple solution for the so called kids being separated from their parents.

    Pass a bill that says illegal aliens are immediately deported. Asylum cannot be grated to any alien who did not legally enter our borders.

    Then no need to separate them. Just send them back.

    NJRob (b00189)

  162. Hoagie seems to think that if you don’t fully support Trump you are a Leftist.
    But he’s also said civil rights was a Communist plot and that apartheid was good for South Africa’s blacks.
    I do wish he would keep quiet, if only to help Trump. Anyone who wanted to prove Trump supporters were all ignorant white supremacists would find plenty of helpful evidence in hus remarks.

    kishnevi (1f5233) — 6/18/2018 @ 8:33 pm

    So you cannot argue against his existing remarks, so you prefer to fight strawmen.

    NJRob (b00189)

  163. Rev.Hoagie imagines that I am a leftist troll?? I am a registered Republican who worked on Presidential, US Senate as well as Congressionl campaigns. Mayor too. Names you’re familiar with. Very conservative too.

    I don’t really give a shift what you think. I care… about reality.

    noel (b4d580) — 6/18/2018 @ 8:20 pm

    So your name is David Brock.

    Good to know.

    NJRob (b00189)

  164. “See if you ignore that the events of last fall, began with albrights lambda, then any notion is acceptable.”

    If you’re talking lambada, narciso, I think I understand what you’re saying.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. Anytime you quote the Washington Post, just remember this is their official position:

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1008794383574028294?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&

    Jennifer Rubin
    “If only we could keep the hard-working Latin American newcomers and deport the contemptible Republican cowards — that would truly enhance America’s greatness.” yes!

    NJRob (b00189)

  166. Putting aside the fact that I never said or remotely suggested that I thought it was funny

    LOL, HotAir has some funny details:

    http://patterico.com/2018/06/17/winning-ted-cruz-beats-jimmy-kimmel-in-one-on-one/#comment-2127920

    Kevin M (752a26)

  167. I don’t necessarily agree that Cruz’ timetable goals are unrealistic. A colleague who practices full-time immigration law here in Texas told me last fall that pre-Trump, saying a set of magic words was enough to get you released into the general population for many, many months, typically more than a year, before your asylum claim was evaluated. She very emphatically told me that post-Trump, that almost immediately changed, and additional immigration judges brought to border regions began clearing through huge backlogs quite briskly — mostly be a very strict interpretation of pre-existing guidelines limiting the circumstances that qualify for asylum. There are many, many tragic situations of genuinely distressed people whose problems nevertheless don’t qualify them for asylum under U.S. law, typically because they can’t produce credible evidence that their hardships and tragedies are the result of the sort of political persecution for which asylum is traditionally reserved.

    The change, in fact, was so dramatic that she, and many other immigration lawyers she knows, essentially stopped offering to represent asylum applicants — success became rare, delays became shorter, rounds of paperwork disappeared, and with all that, demand for immigration representation specifically on amnesty claims was drying up.

    Compressing the timetables will, at the margins, result in some would-be asylum-claimants having their claims denied when, if they’d had more time to secure proof in order to qualify, their claims might have been granted. But it’s up to Congress to decide and specify how much process is “due,” and on what schedule, and then for the Executive to enforce those laws.

    Interesting factoid: Lawyers who only practice federal immigration law can do so without necessarily being licensed to practice in the state where they’re residing as they practice federal immigration law. A lawyer licensed originally in Wisconsin, for example (which doesn’t require the bar exam for those graduating from approved law schools in Wisconsin), can move to California or Texas and set up a practice exclusively in federal immigration law, appearing only before federal authorities adjudicating those matters. Many of the same people needing federal immigration representation also end up needing representation on related state-law civil and/or criminal issues, though, like employment and family law — in which case the lawyer so advising them must indeed be licensed to practice in the state where that representation takes place.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  168. Errata #175: “mostly by [not “be”] a very strict interpretation,” that ought to have read.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  169. Here’s the USCIS’ summary of the existing law on asylum:

    Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:

    * Race
    * Religion
    * Nationality
    * Membership in a particular social group
    * Political opinion

    If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States.

    The applicable statutory definition is of “refugee” in 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(42):

    The term “refugee” means (A) any person who is outside any country of such person’s nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, is outside any country in which such person last habitually resided, and who is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, or (B) in such special circumstances as the President after appropriate consultation (as defined in section 1157(e) of this title) may specify, any person who is within the country of such person’s nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, within the country in which such person is habitually residing, and who is persecuted or who has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. The term “refugee” does not include any person who ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. For purposes of determinations under this chapter, a person who has been forced to abort a pregnancy or to undergo involuntary sterilization, or who has been persecuted for failure or refusal to undergo such a procedure or for other resistance to a coercive population control program, shall be deemed to have been persecuted on account of political opinion, and a person who has a well founded fear that he or she will be forced to undergo such a procedure or subject to persecution for such failure, refusal, or resistance shall be deemed to have a well founded fear of persecution on account of political opinion.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  170. And Jennifer Rubin is one of the righties, according to the Post.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  171. Fixed link from #176 to USCIS summary. (Distressingly primitive website, btw.)

    And to see how rigorously the “well-founded fear” and other requirements for making out an asylum claim can be interpreted, see Justice Scalia’s opinion for the 6/3 majority in INS v. Elias-Zacarias, 502 U.S. 478 (1992).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  172. LOL, HotAir has some funny details:

    The funny details I quoted, which you omitted, were that a game to 11 took almost two hours and that Kimmel and Cruz between them missed over 100 shots.

    Dave (445e97)

  173. Some of you must get impatient waiting for Donald Trump to tell you what to think. Kim Jong Un good. Free trade bad. Putin a nice guy. Free press not so good. Lock her up. Pardon me.

    Who knows what tomorrow brings? But you can handle it.

    noel (b4d580)

  174. I should make that bumper sticker….

    Lock Her Up. Pardon Me.

    noel (b4d580)

  175. How many citizens are you willing to disenfranchise in order to prevent a largely manufactured problem (non-citizens registering to vote).

    Davethulhu (7e7722) — 6/18/2018 @ 8:24 pm

    How many non citizens need to register and/or vote before you would consider it a real problem and not manufactured? How many do you think already have registered and or voted? Do you think any elections have been altered by illegal voting?

    Nate Ogden (f48ffc)


  176. 184.How many citizens are you willing to disenfranchise in order to prevent a largely manufactured problem (non-citizens registering to vote).

    Davethulhu (7e7722) — 6/18/2018 @ 8:24 pm


    Why would any citizen be disenfranchised to prevent voter fraud? That’s ridiculous. It’s a false comparison.

    Why are only democrat leftist pigs concerned with trying to stop fair elections?

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  177. They don’t have the votes using what there is of “the Rulebook” and following the law so they must get them where they can, including importing new voters via the mega-bumrush on the border.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  178. … and witness completely orchestrated Democrat-Left-Media Operative complex’s manufactured border crisis.

    Colonel Haiku (c7ccf8)

  179. Ann Coulter went on American Pravda and gave us her hot take on separated, caged illegal immigrant children.

    “These kids are being coached,” she said. “They’re given scripts to read by liberals. . . . Don’t fall for the actor children.”

    Words can’t express.

    Paul Montagu (54c2a3)

  180. it’s like those skits the goof-ass palestinian children do for reuters

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  181. So your name is David Brock.

    Good to know.

    Rude and uncalled for, NJRob.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  182. we know this is all ginned up outrage, eleventy, lets not pretend otherwise, ryan wants to steamroll his amnesty bill, before anyone can figure out what’s happened.

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. that was the reason for the apocryphal leak during the weekend, incident, Sanford, solution, promise, result parkland and probably dozens of other incidents ‘w doesn’t care about black people’ from woke Kanye, solution massive infusion of aid, that languished in warehouses,

    narciso (d1f714)

  184. “Over 20,000 children a year are put into foster care because their American parents are taken to jail, 10 times the number of those separated when illegal immigrant parents try to sneak into the U.S. but are caught, according to a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

    However, unlike the congressional outcry over President Trump’s zero-tolerance policy targeting illegal immigration, there has been no mass protest of or investigation into the separation of children from those in jail.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/no-protest-over-20-000-u-s-kids-separated-from-parents-in-jail

    Selective outrage for political purposes, imagine that.

    But some commentors here think a news media that is 90% liberal does not skew the reporting, lol.

    harkin (e4ec42)

  185. Rude and uncalled for, NJRob.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 6/19/2018 @ 6:57 am

    He already said he’s voting against every republican this year.

    NJRob (b00189)

  186. Except for John cox, that really means nothing in california.

    narciso (d03142)

  187. I know who David Brock is. I am no David Brock. But it’s not the worst thing I have been called here.

    noel (b4d580)

  188. The funny details I quoted, which you omitted, were that a game to 11 took almost two hours and that Kimmel and Cruz between them missed over 100 shots.

    The original comment in total:

    LOL, HotAir has some funny details:

    Originally the game was supposed to be to 15, but after 40 minutes the two of them agreed to play to 11.

    Cruz and Kimmel missed more than 100 shots between them during the game. Toward the end, Cruz’s shirt had darkened a few shades from his sweat. Courtside helpers had to wipe the floor a few times because both players were sweating profusely. Cruz joked afterward that they also set the Guinness World Record for fouls.

    At the end, Kimmel couldn’t resist one more jab.

    “Ted, you’re a good sport,” he said. “I still think you’re a terrible senator.”

    “Kids, at least you got to see your daddy win something,” he added to Cruz’s daughters, who joined Cruz and his wife, Heidi, on the court.

    Dave (445e97) — 6/17/2018 @ 12:20 pm

    The part about Kimmel trolling Trump’s kids, you just included because why? You NOW deny you found if funny, and you just listed it along with the funny stuff for some other reason?

    Kevin M (752a26)


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