Patterico's Pontifications

6/6/2018

California Election Results

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:02 am

I wrote recently about the way California’s crazy primary system could create a situation where the general election for House seats could pit two Republicans against each other in heavily Democratic districts. It would have been funny, but the dream is over:

Democrats in California appeared poised Tuesday night to avoid getting shut out of key congressional races for the November election, the most pressing risk they faced as they seek to retake control of the House.

With most precincts reporting, Democrats seemed to have captured second place in the contests where the threat was most acute.

The party’s wide, boisterous field of candidates could have locked them out of multiple races because of the state’s unique primary, which advances the two candidates with the most votes regardless of party.

Only half my judicial picks came out on top; and only one soundly enough to avoid a runoff.

The rest is a disaster as well. Say hello to Governor Gavin Newsom, I’m afraid.

Have a great day!

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

203 Responses to “California Election Results”

  1. “The rest is a disaster as well. Say hello to Governor Gavin Newsom, I’m afraid.”

    So in your opinion, Cox has no chance of success? (I am asking sincerely. I live on the East Coast, so I don’t have a sense of the chances there.)

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  2. California will continue to fight the Federal Government and soon people like myself will be sent off to re-education camps.

    Speaking of re-education, the Colorado commission did more than just fine the Masterpiece cake bakers. Unbelievably the commission ordered the owner to re-educate himself and his employees. He was ordered to file quarterly reports for two years on the progress of re-education.

    It is a brave new world and California will be pushing the envelope.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  3. Feinstein is 84 and running for another 6 year term? I suppose retirement is not in her vocabulary. ‘Kinda crazy if you ask me.

    Tillman (a95660)

  4. De Leon would make Kamala Harris look like the reasonable one. That is the only reason to vote for Diane.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  5. basically a latino version of bane, from the dark knight series,

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. @2. How ridiculous. No gay sensitivity training as you imply AZ Bob.

    “He was required to re-educate his staff about the state’s anti-discrimination law.”

    Sensationalized journalism (or click bait), strikes again. Jeez Louise.

    Tillman (a95660)

  7. CA also must pull the old Chicago “NW and SW side returns first” trick, but with Jeffersonian or deep red OC/North County precincts – at about 9:00am PDT, Cox was tied with Newson, 1/2 hour later Newsom was leading but was losing to the combined output of Cox+Allen, must have taken until wee hours CDT for the results to reflect what had been fortold in recent polling.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  8. yes, they aren’t throwing us to the lions, yet, but you can look at the uk, and see what is coming,

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. Feinstein is 84 and running for another 6 year term?

    she’ll probably take a cue from coward-piggy john mccain and bequeath the seat to some random bimbo

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. @6: Assuming that’s the case, I’m sure it was due to lack of intent.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  11. California reaffirms its desire for the middle class to please just go away.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  12. They call it a “jungle primary” isn’t that racist?

    bud (b48f3e)

  13. you know I didn’t go to yale, nonetheless the idea to hike gas taxes didn’t seem that swift,

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. Calizuela.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  15. My daughter is leaving Cantafordya, She says the people expect to have everything their way. She cant stand the place anymore. The Beauty of the state deserves better.

    mg (9e54f8)

  16. OT: Here lies the Height of absurdity:
    We have to listen to a criminal POTUS, elected via Russian help, lecture us about patriotism.

    Tillman (a95660)

  17. Height of absurdity: Tillman lecturing us on absurdity.

    random viking (3ee430)

  18. 18. Viking has no defense, only ad hominem.

    Tillman (a95660)

  19. Urbanleftbehind, it’s been true in California for decades that early results skew conservative compared with the electorate. Early results are heavily based on vote by mail ballots returned before election day, as they are counted first. Those have always skewed conservative.

    aphrael (79562f)

  20. Feinstein, Pelosi, Biden, Leahy, Hoyer, Durbin, and all the other Geritol Democrats selfishly insist on remaining in leadership positions mortgaging the Leftist party’s future by denying the younger generation of Democrat/Socialists opportunities to learn leadership skills.

    ropelight (8d3268)

  21. May Pele burn your azz, Tillman.

    mg (9e54f8)

  22. 21.8% of cantafordyans voted. Pathetic as usual.

    mg (9e54f8)

  23. Tillman has met the enemy, and it’s him.

    ropelight (8d3268)

  24. You know, the primary votes of Cox + Allen + Chiang are within 1 -2 % of the combined Newsom – Villaraigosa primary votes. Hmm….

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  25. Heh, I must have touched a nerve, because it holds truth (a foreign entity to our dear Spanky).

    Tillman (a95660)

  26. So in your opinion, Cox has no chance of success? (I am asking sincerely. I live on the East Coast, so I don’t have a sense of the chances there.)

    Are you kidding? His 48.3-dimensional chess strategy of sucking up to Donald Trump makes him a shoo-in!

    On top of that, being a carpet-bagger gives him a lock on those millions of illegal immigrants that broke for Hillary last time. The Univision ads practically write themselves (“Usted no pertenece aquí y yo no pertenezco aquí…”).

    And finally, he’s got the Russian vote sewn up, IYKWIMAITYD. *wink*

    /sarc

    Dave (445e97)

  27. So in your opinion, Cox has no chance of success? (I am asking sincerely.

    It would take a major scandal being attributed to Newsom in the weeks before the general election for Cox to win. Otherwise I think he tops out at about 40% of the vote.

    JVW (42615e)

  28. the actual management of the state, isn’t considered a scandal?

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. Viking has no defense, only ad hominem.

    If only Tillman had an argument, I would attack that.

    random viking (3ee430)

  30. I agree with JVW at 28.

    The Republican brand is toxic in substantial swathes of the state, and Trump is more so.

    I think poizner can win, but it will be difficult.

    aphrael (79562f)

  31. @30. Some, like you viking, are incorrigible. You have your head in the sand, and that is being generous.

    Tillman (a95660)

  32. Cox has no chance of success?

    Cox is running as Trump’s surrogate in a state that HATES Donald Trump. Mostly because the news media here is completely bought, and the only question is Left or Far Left.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  33. they haven’t done anything in eight years, it’s been a total dumpster fire,

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. You know, the primary votes of Cox + Allen + Chiang are within 1 -2 % of the combined Newsom – Villaraigosa primary votes. Hmm….

    You must be using New Math or something.

    There were a total of 12 Democrats on the ballot, and they polled 61.3% combined.

    The five GOP candidates, combined, polled 37.4%.

    https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    Dave (445e97)

  35. Trump just commuted the sentence of the drug dealer Kim Kardashian begged him to.

    Dave (445e97)

  36. Cantafordians need to quit waking and baking first thing in the morning. Put the bong down. Please.

    mg (9e54f8)

  37. There were a total of 12 Democrats on the ballot, and they polled 61.3% combined.

    The five GOP candidates, combined, polled 37.4%.

    Easy there Dave. He’s including the Chiang and Eastin vote in the hopes that maybe people who voted for those two were just anti-Democrat establishment. The problem is that I don’t think Chiang or Eastin voters are going to gravitate over to Cox.

    JVW (42615e)

  38. Feinstein is 84 and running for another 6 year term? I suppose retirement is not in her vocabulary.

    She is eminently beatable if her opponent is willing to expose her for being an anti-Catholic bigot in majority-Catholic California.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlgwlhOfvzY

    Kevin M (752a26)

  39. math is a hard construct for budding physicist to grasp, is he the val kilmer type or the insufferable William Atherton,

    narciso (d1f714)

  40. the actual management of the state, isn’t considered a scandal?

    I know, right? But people here actually vote for this agenda.

    JVW (42615e)

  41. Dave rooting for another communist win by bashing the alternative. In other news. The sun rose in the east today.

    NJRob (b00189)

  42. so the hellmouth in buffy, wasn’t a metaphor, but an aspiration, so you’re telling the other 2/3 of the state, can’t make their feelings known, and this was only 22% turnout,

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. The Republican brand is toxic in substantial swathes of the state, and Trump is more so.

    I think poizner can win, but it will be difficult.

    aphrael (79562f) — 6/6/2018 @ 9:40 am

    That’s what happens when you’ve been brainwashed by decades of communism and openly display your hatred by lying about the origins of the republican party of California. Just ask google.

    NJRob (b00189)

  44. The Republican brand is toxic in substantial swathes of the state

    The brand has been toxic in the Bay Area for decades. Nothing Trump has done. There are 6 counties up their that voted for Bustamante as the recall replacement (and against the recall). They’ve not voted for a Republican in living memory.

    The GOP BRAND is not the problem down South. There, it’s Trump. A Republican who can distance himself from Trump’s failures and bring new ideas to the table on water, traffic, density, pensions, and other pressing issues, stands a chance. Politicians who continue to hammer on abortion and gays and celebrate their close ties to Trump, not so much.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  45. *there. Gah.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  46. As the saying goes, things here are going to have to get a whole lot worse before they can start to get better. And Newsom is just the guy to accelerate the process of making things a whole lot worse.

    JVW (42615e)

  47. Who was it, Beldar? Dustin? …? who suggested a new reality TV show where celebrities visit the Oval Office to beg Trump for pardons of their favorite criminals?

    I’d write that up and pitch it to somebody in Studio City ASAP.

    Could be the hottest new show since The Mao Tse-Tung Hour on UBS.

    I’d bring some A-list legal backup though, I hear the negotiations over residuals and distribution charges can get pretty cut-throat…

    Dave (445e97)

  48. CA also must pull the old Chicago “NW and SW side returns first” trick

    Urban counties finish their work last. That’s all it is.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  49. We have to listen to a criminal POTUS, elected via Russian help, lecture us about patriotism.

    Silly man, Obama has been out of office for over a year!

    Kevin M (752a26)

  50. Definitely not Eastin’s voters, but Chiangs’s voters may be of a more fiscally prudent mien and both those and whatever Chinese/yellow Asian partisans are part of the Chiang voter base are probably gettable if Cox can avoid certain rhetoric or Macaca moments. Eastin’s votes back to the Dems in November can be counterbalanced, in addition to the Chiang shift above, by Villaraigosa game players and the smidge of Hispanics put off by Newsom and the anti-Catholic agenda.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  51. (I should add, that link has language NSFW)

    Dave (445e97)

  52. the hellmouth in buffy

    SunnyDale, not SunnyVale!

    Besides, it was somewhere down the coast from L.A.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  53. @2. How ridiculous. No gay sensitivity training as you imply AZ Bob.

    “He was required to re-educate his staff about the state’s anti-discrimination law.”

    Sensationalized journalism (or click bait), strikes again. Jeez Louise.
    Tillman (a95660) — 6/6/2018 @ 7:54 am

    Actually I heard this from the baker’s counsel on the radio. What do you think it means to re-educate people about the anti-discrimination law? And I suppose you are okay with the mandatory quarterly reports.

    Brave new world baby.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  54. Trumps failures, which ones are those, now he decided against the dumpster fire of q high speed train. One noted neither Whitman nor kashkari got traction, whereas the brushfire against sanctuary cities did.

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. I am mad as Hell, and I won’t take it anymore.

    I have voted for the last time in California.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  56. You want fries with that Shmy-gate nothing-burger?

    Top Republicans break with Trump, say FBI acted appropriately

    House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr, both Republicans, broke with President Donald Trump on Wednesday over allegations spies infiltrated his 2016 campaign, saying they agree with GOP Rep. Trey Gowdy that the FBI did “exactly” what it should have done over its handling of a confidential source.

    Dave (445e97)

  57. ‘You ask for a miracle, theo’*

    * grubers approval of FBI procedures.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. Neptune in veronica mars, seemed nice but it was the sabot cove of southern California.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. Its lost its luster since the Dragnet-’65/Adam-12/Emergency!/CHiPs continuum, and gets pilloried by the Sad L.A. hipster genre (e.g. the Love Netflix series) nowadays. The hope is that Seinfeld preceded the Giuliani wave and was centered around beta males eking out an existence in a grimy city in its first years, maybe Sad L.A. is presaging a turnaround.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  60. This has been said a million times so forgive the repeat, but the blue coastal cities and blue Sacramento dominate CA politics.
    Go 15 miles west of the blue corridor and the politics splits between dirt poor Bernie voters and Trump loving Independents.

    The only way Cox wins would be for Trump to show up in Huntington Beach, San Bernardino, Riverside, San Diego, Fresno, Sacramento, Auburn and Redding. A grand tour of California’s outback

    steveg (a9dcab)

  61. FBI acted appropriately? Don’t count your chickens. Today’s reports indicate that the spying may have occurred as early as December, 2015. See also Ace of Spades.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  62. Kevin M – I think you’re right as to the south outside of LA County. The Republican brand is apparently toxic in LA County, as well; this was demonstrated to me when the DA of LA County, who had been re-elected there several times *in elections where he didn’t have to declare his partisan affiliation*, failed to carry LA County when he ran for AG (and had to declare his partisan affiliation).

    aphrael (3f0569)

  63. Chiang voters tend to be with the Democrats on policy — both on social issues and on things like single payer — but want someone they trust to be fiscally responsible in doing so. Very few of them will vote for Cox.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  64. You want be for single payer and be fiscally responsible,

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Kevin M – a sane and competent Republican party leadership in the state would have found a never Trump Republican and gotten him into the general. But a sane and competent state party leadership hasn’t existed for almost two decades.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  66. Actually I heard this from the baker’s counsel on the radio. What do you think it means to re-educate people about the anti-discrimination law? And I suppose you are okay with the mandatory quarterly reports.

    Brave new world baby.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada) — 6/6/2018 @ 10:09 am

    You’re talking to a leftist. Of course he’s okay with it. To them 1984 is a blueprint, not a warning.

    NJRob (b00189)

  67. They weren’t for Ted Cruz either, lets face it yourcstate is this close to the opening of demolition man.

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. Neptune was in Balboa County, as if one needed the clue.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  69. Chiang voters tend to be with the Democrats on policy — both on social issues and on things like single payer — but want someone they trust to be fiscally responsible in doing so. Very few of them will vote for Cox.

    aphrael (3f0569) — 6/6/2018 @ 10:45 am

    So they want unicorns. Gotcha.

    NJRob (b00189)

  70. aphrael, there are sane people there, just as there are in the dem party. But they don’t have the power. In 2014 they actually had some good candidates but the deplorables all stayed home.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  71. Yes but its more San Diego than Newport.

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. Kevin M – that’s possible; I was in NY in 2014 and thought I would be staying, so didn’t follow CA political news.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  73. NJRob – maybe. But either way, my hunch is that Chiang voters will be more turned off by conservative social policies and by Trump than they are by Newsom’s profligacy.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  74. Steveg – Trump would *hurt* Cox in Huntington Beach, San Bernardino, and Riverside.

    The outer parts of SB and Riverside counties — Yucaipa, say, or Barstow, or Needles — Trump would help. But SB and Riverside themselves are trending left.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  75. Say hello to Governor Gavin Newsom, I’m afraid.

    Likely, but not a sure bet. The Trump-endorsed-Cox did surprisingly well w/t ‘populist’ pitch given his background. Sanctuary state/city matters and repealing the gas tax are the issues which directly hit home and pocket books. Also, from the image-over-substance, entertainment-not-governing-POV, Cox comes across as much less polished and PC ‘slick’ on the TeeVee than Newsom, which, in case you haven’t noticed, is part of the communicative ‘charm’ which promoted our Captain to his current command.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. “The rest is a disaster as well. Say hello to Governor Gavin Newsom, I’m afraid.”

    Some days I can’t tell whether I’m reading a blackpilling NeverTrumper ‘conservative’ like Patterico or a blackpilling white nationalist like Hunter Wallace or Richard Spencer, all-too-willing to declare ALL IS LOST, GIVE UP NOW!!! with months of useful and productive fight left just because their own pet perfect scenario didn’t pan out. I suspect some of them might even be on the payroll of the Right’s enemies, but correlation isn’t causation, I guess…

    Definitely among the least valuable allies in any fight, let me tell you!

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  77. Yes its Marvin the androidtown, I like to see yesterdays result as a glass half full.

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. Ready to move yet, Pat? Even if you’re heavily invested in your career, there are far better places to retire to than California.

    Gryph (78998c)

  79. corker is another reason to drive free traders out of republican party. thank god trump will veto!

    nono14 (816e02)

  80. Jerry Maren, last surviving Munchkin from ‘Wizard of Oz,’ dies at 98

    Maren appeared in the iconic 1939 movie as one of the three Lollipop Guild Munchkins who handed a lollipop to Dorothy, played by Judy Garland. There were 124 adult actors who portrayed Munchkins in the film.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. Great show, Veronica Mars, underrated and well-written. Some of it was shot at USD, where my daughter just graduated. The folks who did that show are now doing iZombie, using some of the same actors.
    Switching gears. Not-Brave Sir Ryan finally weighs in and agrees with Trey Gowdy that the FBI's use of an informant to check out Trump aides was appropriate. Albeit late, his words are meaningful because he's a member of the Gang of Eight, which has extensive access to intelligence on national security matters.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  82. The Special Counsel has been requesting witnesses to hand over their mobile devices, which probably explains why they were able to nail Manafort for witness tampering. Manafort’s right-hand man in Ukraine was Konstantin Kilimnik, most likely Person A in Mueller’s filings, a guy with active "ties to Russian intelligence".

    What everyone close to Paul Manafort already knew, and what The New York Times and other outlets later confirmed, is that Mueller was pseudonymously describing none other than Konstantin Kilimnik. Or to put it even more bluntly than Mueller: Donald Trump’s campaign chairman had a pawn of Russian intelligence as his indispensable alter ego.

    Manafort is a one-degree-removed agent for Putin. If I were benevolent dictator, he’d be in jail just for that, for a long, long time.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  83. Wake me when Golden Staters pay for desalinization plants. I shall have my popcorn at the ready when Brown and Newsom invoke special powers to restrict water beyond even that new law. Plenty of water with which to wash it down, here.

    I blame Kilauea.

    Ed from SFV (76ec9e)

  84. Maren appeared in the iconic 1939 movie as one of the three Lollipop Guild Munchkins who handed a lollipop to Dorothy, played by Judy Garland. There were 124 adult actors who portrayed Munchkins in the film.

    There was an interesting story some years back about the Munchkin actors, based upon interviews with some of them. Apparently most of them had never spent any time around other adults with dwarfism, so when they were all put up together in a hotel it was like a crazy orgy with all of them hooking up with each other throughout the filming.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  85. AZ Bob (9a6ada) — 6/6/2018 @ 7:34 am

    Speaking of re-education, the Colorado commission did more than just fine the Masterpiece cake bakers. Unbelievably the commission ordered the owner to re-educate himself and his employees. He was ordered to file quarterly reports for two years on the progress of re-education.

    Did any of that make it into Justice Kennedy’s opinion.

    This sounds very much like establishing a religion, or at least morality.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  86. It was a bright cold day in June and the clocks were striking thirteen

    As California goes so goes the nation. Gavin Newsome for president. We are going back to the future in 1984.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  87. The Republican brand is apparently toxic in LA County, as well; this was demonstrated to me when the DA of LA County, who had been re-elected there several times *in elections where he didn’t have to declare his partisan affiliation*, failed to carry LA County when he ran for AG (and had to declare his partisan affiliation).

    I don’t know how much we can learn about the GOP’s brand from Steve Cooley’s loss eight years ago, aphrael. Recall that he lost to a young biracial woman of impeccable lefty values (Kamala Harris) who even back then was being touted as a rising star within the party. It’s not as if he lost to some obscure run-of-the-mill Democrat.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  88. Put me in the NeverSchultz camp, but not for his "radical centrist ideology", but because of the way he betrayed Seattle by selling to the team to a hillbilly from Oklahoma City. Why did Schultz sell out? Because the city council wouldn't give the Starbucks chief the arena that he wanted, so he threw a tantrum. He also gets dinged for hiring Wally Walker as GM, a guy who systematically destroyed the team from the inside out after the team went to the NBA championship in '96. I won't watch NBA basketball until Seattle gets its franchise back. I also boycotted Starbucks for about five years but finally relented.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  89. 32. aphrael (79562f) — 6/6/2018 @ 9:40 am

    I think poizner can win, but it will be difficult.

    I looked him up.

    Stephen Leo “Steve” Poizner was the Californoa Insurance Commissioner (a post created in 1988) from 2006 to 2010 (actually 2007-2011) He was elected as Republican. In 2010 he ran for Governor but was defeated in the Republican primary by Meg Whitman.

    This time he ran as an Independent. SO that’s one useful effect of the jungle primary.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  90. According to this:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-election-results-Poizner-leads-for-12970845.php

    Gavin Newsom got 33%, John Cox got 26% Antonio Villaraigosa got 13%, Travis Allen (a Republican) got 10% and John Chiang got 9%. That adds up to 91%

    The two top finishers in the Lieutenant governor’s race (both Democrats) got 22.9 and 20.2 percent of the vote.A Republican was running third with 18.5%.

    The two top finishers (with no one else close) for Superintendent of public instruction got
    37.4 percent and 33.7 percent. The office is officially non-partisan but the second pl;ace finisher is a Democratic Assemblyman (probably term-limited) This is the one race where if somebody gets 50% he gets elected and there is no runoff in November.

    The race for Attorney General has a Democrat and a Republican. The Democrat is Xavier Becerra, whom Gov. Jerry Brown appointed in 2016 to replace Kamala Harris. Becerra got 44.8% and the Republican 25.8% (half the precinct counted)

    Secretary of State: The incumbent Democratm 50.8 percent of the vote, and a candidate who received the endorsement of the California Republican Party had 32%

    Controller: Incumbent Democrat Betty Yee, had 60.3, but must run again in November. A Repoublican got 35.6% Probably no real competition in either party.
    Treasuer: the leadrr got 42.7% Two Republicans trailed with 22.6% and 19.9%.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  91. this is the funniest thing i read all week so far

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  92. Good grief, did we already forget that klimnik ran the office in Kiev, he was hired from Mccain thinktank, he was his business partner, why do they need the phones if they pulled it from the cloud.

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. Maybe not all was in the cloud. Looks like Manafort is going to jail. As for Kilimnik, I didn’t know about the guy, but it’s not a surprise that he infiltrated the IRI and was fired.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  94. In, hews recommended to manafort by the iri, similar to how mifsud fixed up papadop with mangiante.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. Soros money in CA didn’t change DA races.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  96. Who was it, Beldar? Dustin? …? who suggested a new reality TV show where celebrities visit the Oval Office to beg Trump for pardons of their favorite criminals?

    Ah, my bad – it was Allahpundit yesterday.

    In the interim, he’s come up with a catchy working title (“Celebrity Supplicant”) and surveys where we are:

    If you predicted that the right-wing president who got elected as a law-and-order authoritarian would commute the sentence of a convicted drug trafficker, come collect your winnings.

    …and where we’re headed:

    Every celebrity in the country is now basically invited to take up the cause of a convict and lay it before Trump somehow, either with a personal meeting or, if that’s not possible, by appealing to him through media. (Fox News is the place to be if you want to make sure he sees it.)

    Dave (b3bf17)

  97. Much a do about nothing

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

    But ask how the men who ordered the death of teddy deegan was absolved.

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. Maybe not all was in the cloud. Looks like Manafort is going to jail.

    Let’s hope ADX Florence has a vacancy.

    Gotta figure the Spetsnaz will try to bust him out.

    Dave (b3bf17)

  99. Why he stiffed deripasha, who lost 4 billion dollars in the last month or so.

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. The pardons tell me that Trump’s seriously worried about Oprah. Of course, he’s not going to buy everyone cars. So it’s “You get a full and unconditional pardon! And you get a full and unconditional pardon!”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  101. Sammy — the Democrat will win in all of the statewide Democrat/Republican races.

    Poizner might win for Insurance Commissioner.

    Koulanakis will probably win for Lt. Governor; it depends on how effective a campaign Hernandez can run, and how hard it is to get press attention.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  102. Just a little retaliatory harassment from Mueller’s losers. No “witness” is the exclusive property of the government. A defendant has the right to search for and obtain witnesses on his behalf and interview them and prepare them before trial.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. No, the details suggest it was an excessive sentence for the offense, its not a contradiction compared with kingpins.

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. Then again, remember the humor at nunberg, because heck Mueller is just and all knowing.

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. Every scrap of paper Mueller collects gets leaked to the papers, maybe his staff should have their phones confiscated.

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. Trump has granted five pardons and two commutations since he took office, and one of the pardons was for long-dead Jack (The Great White Hope) Johnson’s 1913 conviction for miscegenation. Both of the commutations were of what I consider obscenely overlong sentences, and of the pardons only Arpaio had not fully served his sentence. To quote somebody: Much ado about nothing.

    nk (dbc370)

  107. But its a really clever argument on someone’s part, isn’t Allah supposed to be a libertarian or something.

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. And the Pardon Attorney’s Office is probably unconstitutional, not to mention a waste of taxpayer dollars.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. gap.com’s having a nice little sale and you can use foryou as a code and get some nice little percent off

    President Trump’s having a really good week I think we’re all gonna have a fantastic summer

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  110. But now we know why Kanye was saying nice things about Trump. Kim wanted her picture taken with the President, something she had not been able to do with Obama.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. oh man i hate the effing Pardon Attorney

    he’s a complete wanker and he thinks he’s SOOOO cool

    #pardonattorneysummerbummer

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  112. You don’t even know what I’m talking about.

    nk (dbc370)

  113. you wish

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. That’s never stopped him before.

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. Why couldn’t he buy cars? The last hurrah of the Ford and GM domestic sedans and perhaps the entire Chrysler line. Oprahs gambit involved the soon-decommissioned Pontiac C6, so there’s precedent.

    urbanleftbehind (b23bbe)

  116. Dave @100: Ah, my bad – it was Allahpundit yesterday.

    In the interim, he’s come up with a catchy working title (“Celebrity Supplicant”) and surveys where we are:

    If you predicted that the right-wing president who got elected as a law-and-order authoritarian would commute the sentence of a convicted drug trafficker, come collect your winnings.

    Ummm… that would be Dubya Bush.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/1600193/fugees-producer-and-rapper-john-forte-granted-pardon-by-president-bush/

    random viking (6a54c2)

  117. Every scrap of paper Mueller collects gets leaked to the papers…

    That and similar things are said by a lot by Trump defenders, but the only reason we know about the Manafort witness tampering was a court filing. If I were to write down a list of leakiest to non-leakiest parties, it would be…
    Trump WH
    Congress
    FBI/DOJ
    Special Counsel
    …with the Trump WH lapping the field.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  118. The way Trump is doing it is the way the Constitution says he has the power to do it. To any extent the Pardon Attorney, and especially it being a Senate-approved position, regulates, impedes, obstructs or slows down his ability to grant pardons and reprieves, it is unconstitutional.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. Trump has offered a round of golf with Fat Kim if the summit goes well. The NK leader might be too busy but, if he does play, Fearless Leader has a stellar short game.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  120. The summit that wasnt going to happen, unless it happened at the Fullerton.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. Whereas it want going to be a blue wave, but gojiro wee coming ashore, that was the Japanese nane, alosi a terrible
    Novel by mark jacobsen

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. President Trump’s lapping the field! He’s burning up the track!

    This summer’s full of win (damn full of win) but with President Trump fully engaged it’s not just full of win it’s full of sparkle too!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  123. Ha! It really is performance art.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  124. Sparkle?

    Is that the name of the latest porn princess he’s dating?

    Dave (2284bf)

  125. http:/national/ghost-of-mccarthy-spooks-the-investigation/90283/#.Wxg48e6wzpc.twitter

    Narciso (d1f714)

  126. President Trump’s doing the good policies Mr. Dave and you know who sucks ass is Bob Corker (corrupt senator)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  127. https:/www./06/06/george-papadopoulos-millian-suspicious/?__twitter_impression

    Narciso (d1f714)

  128. President Trump’s doing the good policies Mr. Dave

    I have to grudgingly concede the point, Mr. Feets.

    With his friends in Hollywood facing a terrible shortage of cocaine dealers, it’s much smarter to release the experienced ones from prison than to train brand new ones.

    Dave (445e97)

  129. Now if the californua gop was smart. They would have settled on one candidate

    Narciso (d1f714)

  130. Paul Montagu (e6130e) — 6/6/2018 @ 1:42 pm
    Manafort’s KGB connection is all of itself enough to justify the FBI investigating Team Trump. But apparently supporters of the Witch Hunt! theory can’t grok that…

    kishnevi (bec396)

  131. Yes a guy recommended by the international republican alliance, they sponsor elections overseas, now who actually lobbied podesta and mercury, but they were allowed to update their registrations. Why is that, why isn’t Greg Craig and cliff Sloan not indicted for that matter why usnt glen Simpson?

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. With his friends in Hollywood facing a terrible shortage of cocaine dealers, it’s much smarter to release the experienced ones from prison than to train brand new ones.

    Yeah Dave, Dubya never did any of that. Actually, Dubya was the one doing the cocaine.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  133. I’m still waiting for Red Skull and General Lukin to be revealed as the ones behind all this.

    nk (dbc370)

  134. random viking (6a54c2) — 6/6/2018 @ 8:52 pm

    And what about Chappaquiddick?

    Dave (445e97)

  135. That’s one thing I didn’t get about civil war, hydra is supposed to be a Nazi outfit like odessa why is it operating out of Siberia in 91.

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. And what about Chappaquiddick?

    Dave (445e97) — 6/6/2018 @ 8:56 pm

    White flag noted.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  137. The movies are only very loosely based on the comics Marvel universe or even the animated features. Only the characters are the same, really, and that not invariably. In the comics, Nick Fury is still the white WWII sergeant and Peter Parker is not fifteen with a thirty-something Marissa Tomei as his Aunt May — he’s thirty-something and married to Mary Jane with two kids, for example.

    nk (dbc370)

  138. Well yes, but the latter are more like origin atory, in the brief series in the 70s, Parker was a twenty something college student, I think Holland is an improvement over Garfield. That David hasselhof film, teh horror, made them five up that vision of fury.

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. Drug dealers pardoned by our last principled Republican president, worthy of Dave’s vote:

    Larry Paul Lenius
    Larry Lee Lopez
    Mark Lewis Weber
    Harper James Finucan
    John Gregory Schillace
    Wendy Rose St. Charles
    Karen Marie Edmonson
    Karl Bruce Weber
    Victoria Diane Frost
    John Louis Ribando
    Jerry Dean Walker
    Marie Georgette Ginette Briere
    George Thomas Harley
    Patricia Ann Hultman
    Eric William Olson
    John Edward Casto
    Jackie Ray Clayborn
    Debbie Sue Conklin
    John Fornaby
    Paul Dwight Hawkins
    Roger Paul Ingram
    Billy Joe LaForce
    Steven Wayne Whitlock
    William L. Baker
    Anthony C. Foglio
    William Marcus McDonald
    Robert Michael Milroy
    Andrew Foster Harley
    Robert Earl Mohon, Jr.
    Steven Doyle Cavender
    Marie Elena Eppens

    random viking (6a54c2)

  140. The Tobey Maguire ones are the closest to the friendly neighborhood Spiderman of my youth, and even those don’t emphasize enough that Peter Parker and Spiderman are two distinct personalities in the same body, which is the way I always saw it.

    nk (dbc370)

  141. Yes the Nicholas Hammond and this new one rely on technolify, whereas as the middle ones are more organic.

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. The Republican brand is apparently toxic in LA County, as well

    Here’s the funny thing. There is this newish local social networking platform called “NextDoor”, where local politics (which is all politics according to Tip) gets discussed. Here, it is traffic, crowding, water and homelessness.

    The consensus seems to be that the Democrats are fairly terrible on these issues but there is no alternative. And the GOP isn’t offering solutions to those issues here. It persists on fighting national battles far from the front liens.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  143. The hardest question to answer in CA politics: Why are they still throwing money down Brown’s train rathole? I have not run across a single person in several years who thinks it’s a good idea. Gavin Newsom speaks with forked tongue on this issue.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  144. random viking (6a54c2) — 6/6/2018 @ 9:36 pm

    And how many of those were personal favors to ingratiate Bush to Hollywood gutter trash?

    Dave (445e97)

  145. Well what is the solution to traffic, in LA, Kev, for that matter the other two issues.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. If someone in the CA GOP could sketch out the concept of good homeless v. bad homeless and propose solutions accordingly, it would help. Theres a lot of difference between working people living in their car and clearly distressed to deranged individuals roaming the streets.

    urbanleftbehind (b23bbe)

  147. inclusiviteh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. “The rest is a disaster as well. . . Have a great day!”

    LOL

    ThOR (d25d69)

  149. Well, they do have similar hair color and boobs.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  150. For the first half of my life – maybe more – I was incredibly proud to be a Californian. And I’m still very proud of the small roles (teachers and contractors) my ancestors played in making California great.

    The current state of affairs is dispiriting.

    The only thing that gives me hope for change is that many of my older liberal friends – and that’s most of them – are unhappy too.

    I don’t know a single 60+ year old liberal who doesn’t think the “tranny” thing is anything but a disgusting joke. And they don’t particularly like how the high cost of living is driving their children and grandchildren out of state.

    ThOR (d25d69)

  151. “The GOP BRAND is not the problem down South. There, it’s Trump. A Republican who can distance himself from Trump’s failures and bring new ideas to the table on water, traffic, density, pensions, and other pressing issues, stands a chance. Politicians who continue to hammer on abortion and gays and celebrate their close ties to Trump, not so much.”

    What the hell is exactly the problem with talking water, traffic, density, pensions, and also NOT distancing yourself from Trump? Or for that matter, from abortions and gays?

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  152. 46. Kevin M (752a26) — 6/6/2018 @ 10:00 am

    The GOP BRAND is not the problem down South. There, it’s Trump. A Republican who can distance himself from Trump’s failures and bring new ideas to the table on water, traffic, density, pensions, and other pressing issues, stands a chance. Politicians who continue to hammer on abortion and gays and celebrate their close ties to Trump, not so much

    What’s really toxic about the GOP brand in Californoa ios immigration.

    That’s why Asians are not voting Republican.

    This existed before Trump. In fact, Trump capitalized on it to get the nomination. He just took the most extreme position, and because otehrs did as well, more or lesw, he said idiocoes too, like that Mexico would pay for the wall. Nobody was willing to really argue with him.

    The interesting thng about Trump is, he’s actually trying to not go back on any of his camapign promises, even though many of tehm are nmoot real convixtions. (he never had strong opinions about judges for instance)

    With regard to immigration, some of what Trump is doing is so toxic he’s distancing himself from his own policies:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1003969399148118016

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

    Separating families at the Border is the fault of bad legislation passed by the Democrats. Border Security laws should be changed but the Dems can’t get their act together! Started the Wall.

    4:58 AM – 5 Jun 2018

    That was his second tweet like that.

    In that connection I found the following paragraph funny:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-commutation-of-alice-johnson-kardashian-unorthodox-presidency-2018-6

    •In general, presidents have been too reluctant to use the pardon and commutation powers. This reluctance stems in large part from a cost-benefit analysis: Release a convict, and you can be painted as soft on crime, especially if the person reoffends — there is rarely any political cost to not releasing a convict. In this particular instance, Trump’s unusual confidence that he won’t be held accountable for his actions has been a plus; in the unlikely event that Johnson reoffends, I assume Trump will simply insist it was Democrats who released her.

    Boldface mine. That wasn’t just thrown out. It’s a reference to some of Trump’s tweets.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  153. 135. kishnevi (bec396) — 6/6/2018 @ 8:38 pm

    Manafort’s KGB connection is all of itself enough to justify the FBI investigating Team Trump. But apparently supporters of the Witch Hunt! theory can’t grok that…

    That could be true, but it wasn’t, in fact, the basis for the investigation. That wasn’t news in 2016. Manafort had left Ukraine and gone to Russia when things collapsed. Manaforts likely Russia/Putin cnnection was public knowledge when Truimp hired him.

    It might be a significant part of teh reason there was no defensive briefing of Trump, but no one will say that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  154. I see in comment 147 that Kevin M says (or implies) that the reason the California GOP doesn’t get anywhere is that is has nothing to say on local issues, which he indicates are mainly traffic, crowding, water and homelessness. (it occurs to me that for the most part this is local not even state)

    He says the Democrats are terrible but the GOP persists in fighting national battles far from the front lines.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  155. California’s jungle primary is perfectly made for a third party, especially on the local level.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  156. Time captures the real Donald Trump (so to speak).

    (Bonus points for the subtle allusion to his 78-dimensional chess 1-dimensional checkers tactics)

    Dave (445e97)

  157. “Celebrity Supplicant” is happening.

    Trump will ask athletes who kneel during anthem to recommend people for pardoning

    President Donald Trump says he wants to meet with NFL players and athletes who kneel during the National Anthem so they can recommend people they think should be pardoned because they were treated unfairly by the justice system.

    “I’m going to ask them to recommend to me people who were unfairly treated,” Trump said at the White House Friday.

    Dave (445e97)

  158. Well it might be a more useful strategy:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1005018811358117888/photo/1

    narciso (d1f714)

  159. The pressure of being the only positively regarded and profitable part of a cable news network got to him.

    urbanleftbehind (b23bbe)

  160. He was a troubled fellow, you might have thought he got vindication with the weinstein indictment

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. Time captures the real Donald Trump (so to speak).

    Time captures Dave’s favorite magazine.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  162. We caints say nuffin’. We did it with Obama. And it’s Time, what would you expect?

    nk (dbc370)

  163. now the most interesting part was her source was providing inaccurate info,

    https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1005075153095716865

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. these were the upstanding folks who dimed out Mueller:

    http://asbarez.com/166535/former-cnn-employee-received-2-6-million-through-azerbaijani-laundromat/

    narciso (d1f714)

  165. The hindu kind of Indian gurl was using it in the hip hop context – these bubbas have more or less been absolved for their offense, just dont fall for the Kendrick Lamar concert sing-along trick.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  166. well anything with Kendrick lamar, will go pearshaped, its only a matter of time,

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. And on another sad note, Mr. Krauthammer doesn’t have long on this earth.

    Paul Montagu (4a56fe)

  168. R.I.P. Anthony Bourdain

    Never so right, ’bout Kubel’s at Barnegat Light.
    _____

    Breaking… Charles Krauthammer reveals he has only a few weeks to live.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  169. Krauthammer had the smart reserved take and projected a more open minded tone in his shortened time unlike some neverTrumps and relucTrumps….

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  170. Wolf/Watkins/2020

    mg (9e54f8)

  171. That ticket would be an instant metoo or Girls episode, mg.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  172. DOJ needs to lock these entitled ingrates up.

    mg (9e54f8)

  173. 163/ Somebody on WOR said this mmorning that Trump has discovered a new toy (the pardon power)

    Donald Trump said now he is thinkingof pardoning Muhammaed Ali.

    The only thing is:

    1) His convicton was thrown out by the Supreme Court.

    2. He was probably covered already by the pardon issued by Jimmy carter in 1977 (not sure if this wioped away convictions)

    3. He died.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  174. I do wonder if the Spade and Bourdain suicides portend a sort of Madoff financial calamity (wiped out as one is on or close to their sixties).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  175. I have to admit it:. Trump’s plan to talk to NFL players about pardons is a great idea. Makes critics into stakeholders. And I can see it leading to some good things.

    Dustin (06043b)

  176. The woman Trump pardoned might have been a worthy candidate based on her post-conviction rehabilitation, but the idea she was too severely punished for her offenses is laughable, and Trump would be making a huge mistake to defend it on that basis.

    But as a piece of political strategy, its HUUUUGE.

    Kardashian has about the biggest social media following in the world, and by a significant majority they are not Trump fans. So now she blasts out to all her followers a big “Thank you” to Trump, and none of them look to closely at the details.

    He just doesn’t play the “agree to disagree” game — he repeatedly turns it around on his critics.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  177. #188. Funny, I had much the same reaction. It’s politically astute — and could be genius if he doesn’t botch the actual meetings.

    Appalled (c9622b)

  178. nfl players are trashy low-class thugs

    president trump surely has better things to do than to talk to dirty nfl thugtrash

    for example there are so many different things you can make with instant pot I don’t even have one and it’s still really impressive how many things i could make if i had one and there’s absolutely no dirty nfl thugtrash involved in any step of the process just tasty nibbles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  179. French is right.

    Paul Montagu (e6130e)

  180. different strokes for different folks,

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/james-wolfe-domestic-violence/

    narciso (d1f714)

  181. California Dream
    Moving to Texas!

    mg (9e54f8)

  182. I was thinking today – if Trump did shoot Comey, it seems to my non-lawyerly mind like he could mount an iron-clad insanity/diminished capacity defense, without any need for a pardon.

    There is voluminous, clear and convincing evidence that the man is unable to distinguish right from wrong, truth from falsehood, or fact from fiction. That makes him incapable of understanding the nature of his crimes.

    Further, his inability to formulate or understand even the simplest of logical arguments, or engage in truthful discourse, makes it impossible for him to provide assistance to his counsel.

    Dave (445e97)

  183. Johnson has served 21 years of her sentence after a conviction on charges of attempted possession of cocaine, conspiracy to possess cocaine, and money laundering, according to Can-Do Clemency, a nonprofit focused on clemency for drug offenders. Johnson was a first-time offender.

    A life sentence on those charges is obscene. What probably happened is that one or more of the big boys rolled over and got themselves sweetheart plea deals before she had the chance to, and the prosecutor had to get her the max if he wanted to win that month’s office pool for most years in prison he managed to get defendants sentenced to.

    But what I like about this, is that it leaves both Trump opponents and supporters with no way to turn. Do opponents credit Trump or make themselves look like they don’t care about poor old black great-grandmothers languishing in prison for “non-violent drug offenses”? Are supporters telling us that they don’t care about Mexican cartels poisoning our kids?

    nk (dbc370)

  184. So it would appear, what did the other members get for cooperating?

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. Interesting detail in light of the downer/papadop offer:

    http://.modernpowersystems.com/news/newsrussia-and-australia-sign-nuclear-co-operation-deal

    narciso (d1f714)

  186. @188. I am waiting to see if the players actually have some concrete examples of the “injustice” they purport to dislike. Or are they just regurgitating the BLM talking-points for the attention?

    I am NOT disagreeing with feet’s assessment up thread, however.

    Gramps (85597f)

  187. That’s just the thing, there may or may not be a cousin or former teammate worthy of supplicating for. Instead, they would not show up, both parties realizing the players are seeking fatwas against specific LE personnel that got off. Thats where the BLM talking points would be cover.

    urbanleftbehind (a564d3)

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