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1/22/2018

Senate Democrats Cave On Government Shut Down, Party Members Attack Their Own

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:41 pm

[guest post by Dana]

[I pulled this post out of the trash where I had sent it after seeing JVW had already posted about this. With his approval, am re-posting it.]

After the Senate voted to re-open and fund the government for three more weeks, Chuck Schumer gave a bitter, childish blame-game concession speech. It’s quite a piece of work. You can read it in full here.

With that, Democrats were not happy with Schumer for folding like he did:

House Democrats opened fire on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), among others. Rep. Luis Guttierez (D-IL) grumbled, “They caved. They blinked. That’s what they do.”

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) even jumped into the fray: “I don’t see that there’s any reason — I’m speaking personally and hearing from my members — to support what was put forth.”

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) fumed, “The Majority Leader’s comments last night fell far short of the ironclad guarantee I needed to support a stopgap spending bill. … I will do everything in my power to continue to protect DREAMers from deportation.”

Also reacting harshly to the news were various groups representing the progressive wing of the party:

The Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a political action committee that focuses on electing “bold progressives” from the “Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party” to office, blasted Schumer and Senate Democrats for striking a deal with the GOP.

“.@TheDemocrats caved led by weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats–is why people don’t believe the Democratic Party stands for anything. #TrumpShutdown #DreamActNow” the organization tweeted.

From Democracy for America:

Today’s cave by most Senate Democrats was not only a stunning display of moral and political cowardice, it was a strategically incoherent move that demonstrates precisely why so many believe the Democratic Party doesn’t stand for anything…

Ouch!

From Justice Democrats:

Dear Democrats, We don’t want your empty platitudes, we want you to stand up to the GOP and protect DREAMers from deportation.

From MoveOn.org:

This is a bad, outrageous deal. Trump and Republicans in Congress stood with their anti-immigrant, nativist base and too many Democrats backed down, abandoned dreamers, and failed to fight for their values…

And then there was this brutal slap in the face:

Credo political director Murshed Zaheed blasts the vote: “It’s official: Chuck Schumer is the worst negotiator in Washington – even worse than Trump.”

More reactions by Democrats at the link.

A look at what both parties gained:

Republicans:

They’ve gained the perception that they can govern; combined with the tax cut bill, Republicans in Congress have done their job and forced Democrats into a position of irrelevance. Furthermore, the White House now says that it will not sign the Graham-Durbin proposal, a Senate bill to legalize illegal immigrant children and their parents, and hand citizenship to the kids.

Unfortunately, Democrats didn’t come out ahead in this:

Democrats:

[T]he perception that Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had outlasted them at the negotiating table; the understanding that Democrats will be unable to fight Republicans using a government shutdown as leverage, at least on the issue of illegal immigration; the impression that Democrats care more about illegal immigrants than military members; a Democratic base that now believes the Democrats are on the run; the impression that Democrats were responsible for the shutdown.

–Dana

251 Responses to “Senate Democrats Cave On Government Shut Down, Party Members Attack Their Own”

  1. Don’t know how much involvement Bobbl-Head Nancy Pelosi will have in this next stage… she’s committed to judge a drag queen contest soon.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Moar good news..

    Congress let CHIP’s long-term funding lapse 114 days ago. The program became a bargaining chip in larger negotiations over the federal budget and immigration.

    But things changed early Monday afternoon, as the Senate began a series of votes to a bill extending the federal budget for an additional three weeks — and CHIP’s budget for an addition

    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/22/16919640/chip-funding-congress-shutdown

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  3. every time these dreamer losers take center stage a lil polish comes off their branding, and i think this episode was worse for them than average

    and if lady graham and dicky durbin wanna put dreamer sleaze all up in it at the SOTU, that’s gonna degrade their standing even further

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Oh wait.

    I meant bad news.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  5. Don’t know how much involvement Bobbl-Head Nancy Pelosi will have in this next stage… she’s committed to judge a drag queen contest soon.

    I love that detail; so San Fran Nan of her. But I think the answer to her involvement is that she will have none. What will be interesting to see is if she and Hoyer demand party unity over the final vote, or if they understand that part of winning back the House will necessarily involve giving the few remaining Democrat moderates in swing states the latitude to cast a vote that appears to be at least somewhat tough on illegal immigration.

    JVW (42615e)

  6. Wow, such anger from the Dems. You would’ve thought Schumer drove a car off a bridge and killed a girl….

    random viking (6a54c2)

  7. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D., Fla.) declared Monday that Democrats could claim victory after the government shutdown owing to “potential momentum” they may have gained on immigration.

    And:

    Schultz avoided answering the question.

    “You know, every senator has to make their own decision about whether this exclusively Senate deal is something they’re comfortable with,” Schultz replied.

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-schumer-won-potential-momentum/

    Dana (023079)

  8. “International Space Station
    @Space_Station
    Sorry, but we won’t be tweeting/responding to replies during the government shutdown. Also, all public NASA activities and events are cancelled or postponed until further notice. We’ll be back as soon as possible! Sorry for the inconvenience. “

    Nothing says “international” like dependency on US taxpayer money.

    harkin (8256c3)

  9. Maybe democrats understand pyrrhic victory Dana.

    That’s where the cost of the enterprise was too high…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  10. In Miller’s case, Mendelsohn tracked down his great-grandmother’s line item in the 1910 census. The entry noted that four years after arriving in the United States, she spoke only Yiddish, not English.

    Mendelsohn has performed similar searches for the immigrant forbears of a handful of President Donald Trump’s advisers and supporters, seeking hard data to support the idea that America is a nation of immigrants. She’s found out about Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s great-great-grandfather, conservative pundit Tomi Lahren’s great-great-grandfather (who forged his immigration papers, no less) and U.S. Rep. Steve King’s grandmother, who arrived in the United States from Germany at age 4. (“We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” the Iowa Republican tweeted in March.)

    On Jan. 9, Dan Scavino, the White House director of social media, called for an end to “chain migration,” which refers to immigrants bringing their relatives to live in the United States. But Mendelsohn discovered that the practice had brought Scavino’s great-grandfather, Gildo, to the country.

    “So Dan. Let’s say Victor Scavino arrives from Canelli, Italy, in 1904, then brother Hector in 1905, brother Gildo in 1912, sister Esther in 1913, & sister Clotilde and their father Giuseppe in 1916, and they live together in NY,” Mendelsohn tweeted, listing his family members. “Do you think that would count as chain migration?”

    https://www.jta.org/2018/01/22/news-opinion/united-states/a-jewish-journalist-is-confronting-trumps-immigration-advisers-with-their-own-immigrant-histories/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  11. Stop hyperventilating hoagie.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  12. Monday’s deal took the Children’s Health Insurance Program, or CHIP, off the table. On Thursday, South Dakota Republican Senator Mike Rounds made an interesting admission to NBC’s Chuck Todd about the program that Republicans had cynically allowed to run out of money nearly three months ago. “Under the current proposal,” Rounds said, “CHIP is now off the table because it’s been extended for a period of six years. And so then what is the next bargaining chip that brings Democratsto the table?” That’s exactly where the GOP finds itself now. As one blogger at the Daily Kos cleverly put it: Dems free 8.9M child hostages from kidnappers; 690K adults still being held as negotiations continue.

    Without CHIP in the mix, as Eric Boehlert pointed out on Twitter, the next round of negotiations will be “clean” from a messaging point of view in that it will be all about the DREAMers. No longer can McConnell, Paul Ryan, the Trump administration and other Republicans claim that Democrats are harming “our” children for the sake of “illegal immigrants” — the outrageous and subrosa racist frame adopted by the GOP during this past week’s debacle.

    My gawd. Can you believe the twisted hypocrisy?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-bold-fold-shifts-the-pressure-on-to-trump-and-his-gop-enablers

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  13. To be fair, the GOP leaders have looked just as incompetent when they aborted their own shutdowns. Maybe someday someone will draw a lesson from that.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  14. right-of-center Democrats

    It’s lonely out in space, and no one can hear you scream.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  15. Donald Trump also approves the message that you should lynch Democrats who want murdering, raping immigrants running loose in America.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  16. The talking point: “Those Democrats who are upset have every right to BE upset, and they should get rid of those go-along-get-along DINOs. Let’s choose some real Democrats in this years primaries!”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  17. ANd I still think the Congress should adjourn for a couple of weeks, letting Trump fill admin positions with recess appointments. The Senate3 minority has to learn that there’s a penalty for passive-aggressive foot-dragging.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  18. The Pentagon had approved continuing televising football games to troops as an ‘essential service.’ And housekeeping services at NASA still emptied trash cans for staff on console at MSC.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D., Fla.) declared Monday that Democrats could claim victory after the government shutdown owing to “potential momentum” they may have gained on immigration.

    I’m starting to absolutely love DWS. She’s just so bat-stuff crazy that it’s a wonder I haven’t already married her. What I wouldn’t give for San Fran Nan to kick Steny Hoyer to the curb and make DWS her number one deputy.

    JVW (42615e)

  20. The basilisk is clearly valued at two bits,

    No she was my rep for 15 years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Republicans: They’ve gained the perception that they can govern…

    ROFLMAOPIP.
    You.
    Are.
    High.
    Step away from the bong; Punt, pass and kicking the ball down the field two weeks past the Super Bowl is NOT governing; it’s holding hot tickets for a clean and hassl-free weekend for the Big Game.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. Is not anybody to blame. Is whole Politburo suffer too much withdrawal going cold turkey on spend taxpayer money. Finally somebody say safe word Palomino.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Thanks for introducing me to the term “basilisk,” narciso. I’ll keep it in my hip pocket for later use.

    JVW (42615e)

  24. The cold potato became vodka

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. Well it s a type of beast that tunes one to stone, newsweak is rarely interesting anymore,

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. What kind of mushrooms are they consuming at nutroots functions.

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. 23.Is not anybody to blame.

    Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus closed its tents for a reason, too. This was a 72 hour reminder why so many voted for Trump in the first place.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. Tie their pay checks to that 9/30 budget drop dead date and see if that changes the behavior.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. Debbie Poodleman Schultz is to laugh at.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. The elfin former Dimocrat VP candidate… Old What’s His Name… You know teh guy they’re always trying to steal the Lucky Charms from, says “some of us know how to govern”. I think he mistakes F-ing up for governing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. Three weeks…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  32. Comeytose.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. The Dems areso used to giving the Repubs a spat and having a chorus of “thank you sir, may I have another” come back. They’ve been doing it for years and it’s just not fair to change policy now.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  34. The shame of these leftwing twatwaffles… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUJg_isXkAURoGu.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. 3 weeks until the Schumer shutdown sends democrats over the edge.

    mg (8cbc69)

  36. holy god here you have in a nutshell just how corrupt and in-his-element sleazy Chris Wray is at the gestapo FBI

    FBI Director Christopher Wray threatened to resign after Attorney General Jeff Sessions pressured him to remove FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, Axios reported Monday.

    Wray reportedly told Sessions that he would resign if McCabe was removed from his post.

    fire both of these criminal jack-offs and set bail at 20 million each (they’re both flight risks)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. There is no lasting harm, to a tupolev maneuver if you learn
    from it, they should have led with chip.

    In other news I’m starting this hunger games meets harsh mistress with uniquely roman overtones. The gold series by pierce brown

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. Like I said on another thread

    The dreamers aren’t all going to Harvard med.

    Takes a bow.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  39. Lester Flat comments on the Republican-won Gub’ment start-up, with a lttle tune he renamed Schumer shutdown .

    felipe (023cc9)

  40. ok i bookmarked the first Red Rising book

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. I’ll tell you all right now, if Congress passes a DREAM that legalizes the parents of the Dreamers, in effect telling the whole world “Your anchor baby does not even need to be born here, just sneak him in with you”, then there is no Republican Party and we might as well rename the country Parador.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. I’m so used to talking about Lester Flat! Sorry Earl!

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. Upon returning the crimaliens to their home turf, Democrats are giving them thousands of absentee ballots to use for the 2018 election.

    mg (8cbc69)

  44. Well, I’m stuck out here on Strawberry Flats
    Tryin’ to get to Waco ‘fore it freezes over

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. Jeez Louise, even misspelled Flatt’s name! Just shoot me, now.

    felipe (023cc9)

  46. He saw her live. Now you can too: Make America Horny Again Tour. Table dances start at $130k (men with small hands only, large hands cost extra).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  47. Do American citizens benefit from illegal immigration or not?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. Wray is beyond embarrassment at this point.” – Joseph diGenova

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. The first episode if the alienist was ok, one supposes they will throw some new twist into it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. As, apparently, are the rank and file…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. The Muffle family just got through watching NBC’s Chuck Todd try to make lemonade out of the lemons that got delivered today. Really cool blink rate.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  52. If McCabe is on track to retire very shortly, as I understand he said he is, then firing him just a couple of months short of his pension vesting would be a despicable thing to do. Good for Wray telling Sessions he’d quit too. I would not want to work for somebody who would do that, either. Because he would do the same thing to me.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. The truth is… according to the latest Harvard/Harris poll, conducted last week:

    81% of Americans want immigration reduced below current levels
    Large majorities want skills-based immigration and an end to the diversity lottery.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. If McCabe is on track to retire very shortly, as I understand he said he is, then firing him just a couple of months short of his pension vesting would be a despicable thing to do.

    Yeah, if you can’t trust fellow gov’t trough feeders, who can you trust? I guess those of us without pensions are supposed to give a rat’s ass.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  55. Little sympathy for McCabe, but that would be the wrong thing to do. I’d prefer that he be pilloried in new media for the sh*t-eating, partisan, sniveling, weezul of an agent he is.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. i don’t agree

    McCabe is sleazy and corrupt he belongs in jail with his corrupt sleazy wife

    at the time this happened the question was: if pathetic weaksuck Christopher Wray can’t stand up to corruption in the next office, why is he running a nominal law enforcement agency to begin with

    now that we know he’s been presiding over the wholesale destruction of evidence

    it casts everything in a different light altogether

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. So why does Trump keep hiring corrupt weaksucks? He said he’d bring in the “best people”. Did he mean the best of the corrupt weaksucks who would want to work for him?

    nk (dbc370)

  58. Sorry. *pathetic* weaksucks

    nk (dbc370)

  59. i’m not sure how this criminal skank Christopher Wray slipped through it’s very disturbing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  60. We were promised idea but its turned out more aspida get the picture.

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. #Release the Memo! Americans have an absolote right to see evidence the Obama Administration corrupted the DOJ and the FBI to protect Hillary from criminal 0 indictment.

    ropelight (1b4d8d)

  62. Idea was the right secret clique, and aspida the left one in 60s Greece.

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. I’m sure Wray was deemed “fit” for the job by most of the elites and, unfortunately, Trump listened.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  64. I’ll accept happyfeet’s assessment. happyfeet, name three (it can be more but not fewer) cabinet or cabinet-lever Trump appointees who are not pathetic weaksuck ladyboy manboob Goldy Sacks Harvard poofter boy trash.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. You can’t pick from the barrel, you have to go to three (its make you wonder how wrong Spencer ‘throw through the glass’ ackerman was)

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. The basilisk contributor is actually named chuck ducks, Shirley they can’t be serious.

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. yes yes

    Zinke is a good pickle

    and Mr. Scott Pruitt

    those ones are my favoritest ones

    and Mr. Perry’s doing a good job at energy as well

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. oops that link was a mistake it belongs to Mr. Zinke not Mr. Perry

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. “Donald Trump also approves the message that you should lynch Democrats who want murdering, raping immigrants running loose in America.”

    Nah, just use the ballot to keep them out of office, as they did in Nov 2016.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  70. 63… Destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice soon to be in the news…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. Look, the ostensible beef against Comey is that he was not a detached professional but instead a partisan errand boy for Obama. You want Wray to be a detached professional or do you want him to be a partisan errand boy for Trump? Which is ok by me but keep in mind that you will then be letting Comey off the hook.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. No, the ostensible beef against Comey was that he was incompetent.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  73. he’s destroying evidence he’s so dirty

    the fbi’s a criminal enterprise anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. Text messages between Strzok and his lovah Page on critical dates/time periods are missing, but amazingly become available the day Mueller starts his gig.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. Heads they win, tails you lose, kind of like Orlando events doesn’t go anywhere past miss sultan, even she want this only perpetrator
    T

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. All of these activities by the people involved in the “Russia probe”. All gone missing.

    The true “probing” is being endured by the American people and perpetrated by DOJ, the Dept of State and the FBI, all politicized at the highest levels.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. What’s your take on this criminal activity, nk?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. The Pentagon had approved continuing televising football games to troops as an ‘essential service.

    But the NFL will not allow a vets group to buy a “Please Stand” ad in the Super Bowl program. It seems this might inject politics into the game and, as we all know, the NFL will not tolerate that.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  79. It seems Edward baumgartner is the one who wrote up the sybil dossier, (where are the dates of interviews with sources,

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. He saw her live. Now you can too: Make America Horny Again Tour. Table dances start at $130k (men with small hands only, large hands cost extra).

    I have come to suspect that Trump did pay Stormy the 130K. But not to hush up any alleged sex. To say that there was sex.

    nk (dbc370)

  81. The problem with America is not Donald Trump

    “Trump likewise knows better than the lifelong politicians in both parties that American workers suffer as a result of being abandoned by their government while other countries practice open or covert economic nationalism. Yet very little will happen on either of these fronts until Republican politicians in Congress and the states wise up. Donald Trump is only the beginning of a populist retrenchment, one that faces great adversity from a well-entrenched globalist political class.

    And that, rather than anything to do with Trump’s presidency, is what has gone horribly wrong in America. The broader ruling class in the country, the wealthy and politically connected, the best educated and most widely heard, have abandoned their countrymen. The very concept of citizenship, to say nothing of placing one’s fellow citizens above those whose loyalties are to other states and cultures, has fallen out of vogue among America’s most privileged. The nation and the citizen have been the core of Donald Trump’s appeal-the common denominator in his emphasis on immigration, jobs, industry, and America First in foreign policy—yet even within his own party, the globalist ideology of the 1990s staggers on. This, and not Donald Trump’s temperament or tweets, is the real menace to the country: an elite that has lost the trust of the people because the people know what the elite will not admit—namely, that it despises them.”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/the-problem-with-america-is-not-donald-trump/

    harkin (8d01aa)

  82. What’s your take on this criminal activity, nk?

    I can’t make heads or tails of it.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Stormy never mentioned anything about hand size in her 2010 shake down tour.

    {nk is probably reevaluating the veracity of her story now.}

    papertiger (c8116c)

  84. it is too many criminal activity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. Come on, its no surprise from your neck of the woods, the combine buys cops plant evidence, and when needs must resorts to more direct means

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. {nk is probably reevaluating the veracity of her story now.}

    Oh, I make it a rule never to believe hookers. To be a wh**e is to be a liar. I’m suggesting that Trump paid her to lie that she had sex with him in order to promote himself as a virile heterosexual.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Comey thought (and thinks!) that he’s on a divine mission to preserve the Republic, and that he is the only person on the planet who can do it, and that his judgment is performing his mission is not to be questioned.

    For instance, when Comey leaked his communications with his principal, the POTUS, through his law-professor buddy — the most contemptuously thin fig-leaf he could have picked, a deliberately conspicuous cutout! — and then bragged about that, that wasn’t incompetence. That was betrayal of his oaths, multiple oaths, including the one he took when he got his law license. He put himself above the law, and the best thing that can be said for him is that in his own depraved and twisted mind, he’d talked himself into believing that he was justified in so doing.

    Ditto his entire participation in the Clinton whitewash.

    “Incompetent” is a word we use for people who aren’t capable of doing their jobs. He was capable. He chose to do the opposite of his job, to break the law, to subvert the public trust, in the most consequential and spectacular ways imaginable. He thinks he’s entitled to a round of applause, but he’s entitled to lose his law license and spend some time in prison.

    When and if Wray does something as ridiculously outside his job description as Comey, we can start wondering whether there are any comparisons.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  88. From Politico, not The Onion:

    “To try and keep the peace, Collins wouldn’t let any senator in the room talk unless they were holding a “talking stick” — which a senator in the room described as a “ceremonial Native American stick” that Collins owned. At one point, Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee forcefully tossed the stick toward Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia after Warner interrupted him, nearly shattering a glass elephant belonging to Collins, according to two people briefed on the throw. After that incident, Collins suggested using a small rubber ball, and Alexander also brought his own basketball “because it’d be safer than a stick,” an aide said.”

    harkin (8d01aa)

  89. I hope Kylie Bax got a better deal than Stormy.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  90. I refuse to Google Kylie Bax. A week ago I did not know who Stormy Daniels was and I do not feel enriched by newly-acquired knowledge.

    nk (dbc370)

  91. There were intimations that wray want on the teams re gelman and the Gonzalez ambush that he Mueller and goldsmith, participated in, witted works for the last fellow.

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. felipe, Lester & Earl doing the theme-song to the “Beverly Hillbillies” is among my most vivid childhood memories. I recall watching the show’s premiere, in B&W, in 1962; I would have been four.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  93. Director of counter intelligence Bill Priestap knows what we all would like to know, so waterboard the fu##ing prick already, will ya?
    All these senate panels are useless without a judge.

    mg (8cbc69)

  94. This is the problem, we get garbage, I’m not qualifying as fake news, but she’s as much a plant as will folks, except he brings his own soil.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. nk, I’ll save you the googling: She’s the one on the left. (Photo safe for work, but may induce vomiting.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  96. Hmm, Trump likely is telling the truth when he says he’s 6’3″. Clinton is reportedly 6’2″ and Trump’s shoulder is above his.
    😉

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Are you discounting for the hat and the puffed hair?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  98. nice salad

    mg (8cbc69)

  99. Gabe Sherman’s fan fiction is no longer entertaining,

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. Find those e-mails that say “Kill the President”. Gotta be what these treasonetts are hiding.

    mg (8cbc69)

  101. Heads they win, tails we lose…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. That’s a business (or possibly charitable) deduction salad, mg. Those are always the best, and we paid for it, one way or another.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  103. Cave. Caved. Like a plastic water bottle.

    The Democrats experienced a cave-in as soon as PPP polling returned their phonecall. You’ll never see those numbers, tucked between the Strzok and Page emails and Clinton harddrive.

    Now the Dems are in a hole spinning, taking turns sitting next to the kerosine lantern.

    Will we organize a search party?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  104. Were still paying, Beldar!

    mg (8cbc69)

  105. I’m going by their shoulders and on second look their belts.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. Republicans:
    They’ve gained the perception that they can govern;…

    Haha! With a stop-gap measure that lasts for what, 3 entire weeks? You’ve got to be kidding.

    Tillman (a95660)

  107. So wait, from left to right we have Kylie Bax, D. Trump, B. Clinton, and Melania, right? Does this mean that at the time Donald and Melania were a couple as were Kylie and Bubba?

    And how about “What should I wear to the U.S. Open when I am in the luxury suite with an ex-President? Wait, I know! How about my long sleeve Playboy shirt?” Yeeesh.

    JVW (42615e)

  108. Chris Wray is a decent enough guy. But he comes from a “pool” of DOJ veterans from the Bush Administration who followed in the footsteps of Robert Mueller, Patrick Fitzgerald and Jim Comey.

    Wray is a Yale Undegrad/Law School grad, whose father was also a Yale grad and NY lawyer.

    Wray married a fellow law student who came from a “Southern Royalty” family in Georgia. After graduating from law school they moved Atlanta, and he joined the US Attorney’s Office there as an AUSA in 1997.

    With only 4 years experience, Wray is then hired to be an Associate Deputy Attorney General after Larry Thompson becomes the Deputy Attorney General under John Ashcroft. That’s his Yale connections working for him. With very little significant prosecutorial experience, he’s moved WAY AHEAD of the class to a position where he’s going to have “eyes and ears” responsibility on behalf of the DAG with respect to one of DOJ’s litigating sections.

    To show even more so how his Yale connections worked for him within Justice, just 26 months later he was nominated to be Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division. Six and one-half years total DOJ experience, only 11 years practicing law, and he’s the Assistant Attorney General overseeing ALL criminal prosecutions by the US Govt.

    But he was living a life in 2 cities, with his wife and young children remaining behind in Atlanta while he worked in DC. So in 2005 he resigned, and moved back to Atlanta, where he joined the historic Georgia firm King & Spaulding. He spent only 4 years in DC — but most of that was the first 4 years after 9/11, so it was likely an exhausting period of time.

    The entire time Wray was running the Criminal Division, leading all US Gov’t criminal cases, Robert Mueller was the Director of the FBI — running all US Govt criminal investigations.

    Six months after Wray was named Assistant AG for the Criminal Division, James Comey was named Dep. AG — making him Wray’s immediate supervisor. And Wray remained Comey’s subordinate. Wray resigned in May 2005, and Comey resigned in August 2005.

    The scuttlebutt in DOJ at the time was that most of the East Coast “elite” DOJ officials who rose to the top of DOJ in the first Bush term left when it became clear that Alberto Gonzalez was going to become Attorney General for Bush’s second term. Gonzalez was an outsider, was seen as a political crony, and was not respected. So they all quit and went into private practice to make big money.

    Many in that group of DOJ veterans signed the “Never Trump” letter, even though it was mostly State Dept signors who got the most attention.

    But there is a second group of attorneys who came to dominate the Obama Admin., all of whom were veteran power players — or had connections to veteran power players in the Clinton Administration. The “unique” thing about them is that most were women.

    Janet Reno was the first female Attorney General, but she was mainly just a figure head. The real legal power in the Clinton Administration came from having a relationship with Jamie Gorelick. Gorelick aggressively — and justifiably in many cases based on my personal experience — pushed forward women into many upper management positions in DOJ which had for the most part been historically dominated by men. I could list 6-8 names of women who most here have never heard of, but if you googled them you would find surprising information about the level of authority they possessed during Bill Clinton’s second term.

    But more important than what they did in Clinton’s second term was what it set them up for when Obama won the WH in 2008. Two of the women the Clinton Era that would later assume significant levels of DOJ authority were found in the US Attorney’s Office for —– the Northern District of Georgia. One was Sally Yates, who Obama named as US Attorney in Atlanta, and later made her Dep. AG when Loretta Lynch became Attorney General. The second I’m going to leave unnamed because she’s a friend of mine, and ended up leaving DOJ rather than move to DC when she was offered the position of Assistant AG because she had young kids at the time.

    Chris Wray, when he was an AUSA in Atlanta from 1997 to 2001, worked for Sally Yates.

    When Wray went back to Atlanta after leaving DOJ in 2005 to join King & Spaulding, he wrote a letter of support for Sally Yates when she was nominated to be US Attorney, and again when she was nominated to be Dep. AG.

    Both groups of lawyers, the Bush era mainstream DOJ guys from Yale and Harvard, with solid Federalist Society membership, and the Clinton-Obama Female Lawyer Super Group members, all see Trump as antithetical to their way of having DOJ operate.

    And NEITHER group is happy that Jeff Sessions, regardless of his politics, is the AG. He’s no different that Alberto Gonzalez — a political crony without the Ivy League legal credentials or necessary time in either the SDNY or DC US Attorney’s Office. He’s an outsider, Trump is a buffoon, and both groups — even with differing politics — want them both gone.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  109. 103 — Beldar.

    I guarantee you that Trump’s height is in dress shoes, and is measured to a piece of paper sitting on top of his hair so that he can capture that extra half-inch of “pouffe” about his skull.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  110. Thank you, shipwreckedcrew.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. I thought sessions is a closer parallel, to ashcroft, southern moralists although the latter was a governor, from an acquaintance Yates is also southern royalty and a king and Spaulding partner, although I guess that can’t be helped

    Also if one goes further back, he is the thurmond figure that allowed him to gain credibility like Nixon did in 68,

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. I’m not going to be specific, but the segment of my DOJ career from 1996 to 2002 brought me into regular contact with 3 of the women that Jamie Gorelick maneuvered into position to be big players in DOJ. I worked very closely with one of them on a major national issue at the time, and as a result I was drawn into the small circle of the others since we drew on their power from time to time to get things done. I admired them — our politics were different but they were committed to what I was doing, and they did some great things to assist my efforts. I got a very different perspective from them on how they experienced DOJ compared to how I experienced DOJ.

    Later, when I needed a “favor” done on a personal/professional issue, they made it happen — just by making a call and saying “Do XYZ for my friend, he earned it.”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  113. I don’t think Yates was a K&S partner — I think she left K&S while still an associate to join the US Attorney’s Office. I just checked their website, and it does not show her listed as a partner currently. I’m not sure what she’s doing now — though like you say, she really doesn’t have to do anything if she doesn’t want to.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  114. 112… Tillie doesn’t quite understand. How unusual.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. True, she was an associate, right out of law school. I imagine that’s the pick of the litter like Holland and knight in Miami, or Gibson catcher in la

    its valuable to gain perspective. Sessions was a us atty back in the 80s, im guessing denton probably sponsored him.

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. There is a point, a last minute cram is bad enough on a term paper, on a budget its just asking for trouble. May if they didn’t so much time chasing white rabbits I mean Russian bears.

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. Robert lovett would be very dissapointed:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/01/newsweeks-sad-fall-from-grace/#comments

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. There is a HUGE story being underreported right now involving comments made tonight by Cong. Trey Gowdy and John Ratcliffe.

    They have spent most of the day reviewing the text messages that were produced by DOJ over the weekend, and have now gone public with comments that the text messages show a much deeper and more determined anti-Trump sentiment in the upper management of the FBI and DOJ than was previously understood. They say there are references in some of the text messages to a “Secret Society”, and a warning not to keep text messages on phones after they were read. The messages suggest that anti=-Trump work continued after the election and during the transition, and that Comey was keeping “The President” — referring to Obama – “updated” on what they were finding.

    The “Secret Society” message comes the day after the election, presumably about some planned meeting, and says “Perhaps this is the first meeting to the Secret Society.”

    Obviously could be in jest or sarcasm, but still.

    Gowdy and Ratcliffe are both serious guys, and DOJ veterans themselves.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  119. Murdoch’s ex a blackmailing spy?!?!

    Don’t miss Forget it, Jared; it’s Chinatown

    …the next exciting episode of Trumpland

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. When did those two ever do any useful work with 50,000 text messages,

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. You mean like the Japanese tobacco executive, who walked out with list of operative lists and operations, from Langley.

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. If McCabe is on track to retire very shortly, as I understand he said he is, then firing him just a couple of months short of his pension vesting would be a despicable thing to do. Good for Wray telling Sessions he’d quit too. I would not want to work for somebody who would do that, either. Because he would do the same thing to me.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/22/2018 @ 5:48 pm

    He should have started sooner.

    Pinandpuller: Catastrophia (Soundcloud) (35edb6)

  123. Nk,

    if McCabe has been intentionally undermining the President and working to possibly get him removed, he should be fired and arrested for his treasonous acts.

    NJRob (b00189)

  124. I have come to suspect that Trump did pay Stormy the 130K. But not to hush up any alleged sex. To say that there was sex.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/22/2018 @ 7:21 pm

    Is that so he can play her movies at rallies? A licensing fee perhaps?

    Pinandpuller: Catastrophia (Soundcloud) (35edb6)

  125. The episode where Jethro wants to be a lineman for the electric company will make your sides ache.

    mg (8cbc69)

  126. In 2009, Kylie Bax sued the French men’s magazine Max Magazine for using bare-breasted images of her on its magazine wrapper. No photos of her were inside the publication. [1] Her lawsuit cited that the “sexualised nature of the photographs was inconsistent with the image that she had sought to develop”.[1] The images had been taken about six years earlier, and she was not compensated for their use by Max Magazine, and the photographer was assured that they would not be published without her consent.

    http://www.pdfmagaz.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/30/playboy-usa-march-2001/Playboy-USA-March-2001_01.jpg

    papertiger (c8116c)

  127. 129 — McCabe is not eligible to retire until his 50th birthday, which is in March.

    I think the reason Wray pushed back against the suggestion to fire him is that Wray learned an FBI pension does not “partially” vest. If an agent leaves the Bureau before age 50, he gets no pension — unless he has 25 years of service time, which McCabe does not have.

    So I can see a justification for Wray saying “No, I won’t terminate him 3 months before his pension rights kick in after he served 23 years. He’ll retire the first day he’s eligible.”

    While there are certainly a lot of allegations and accusations about what the FBI did during the campaign, there isn’t yet an IG Report which would be necessary to sustain his termination on an appeal before the Merit Systems Protection Board. McCabe has civil service protection rights, he is not an “at-will” employee.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  128. These govt. hacks not only get all the breaks, they make them up as they go along. Justice never prevails when the govt. is involved.

    mg (8cbc69)

  129. shipwreckedcrew –
    When can a U.S. Marshall step in and confiscate the computers at the FBI?

    mg (8cbc69)

  130. that’s an excellent question we have to take the entire corrupt comey wray fbi down

    it’s a threat to liberty anymore simple as that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  131. China’s JinkoSolar Holding Co. said the tariffs were “better than expected” and that it wouldn’t eliminate the possibility of building a plant in the U.S.

    Taiwan’s Neo Solar Power Corp. similarly said it would study the feasibility of establishing assembly lines in the U.S.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  132. Mr. President begs to disagree with you gentlemen about both the FBI and Director Wray:

    “The President has enormous respect for the thousands of rank-and-file F.B.I. agents who make up the world’s most professional and talented law enforcement agency. He believes politically motivated senior leaders, including former Director Comey and others he empowered, have tainted the agency’s reputation for unbiased pursuit of justice,’’ said Shah. “The president appointed Chris Wray because he is a man of true character and integrity, and the right choice to clean up the misconduct at the highest levels of the F.B.I. and give the rank and file confidence in their leadership.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/tensions-between-sessions-and-fbi-over-senior-personnel-from-comey-era/2018/01/22/c95fc2bc-ffeb-11e7-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html?utm_term=.83ae4817754d

    nk (dbc370)

  133. if Chris Wray had an ounce of integrity heads would be rolling as a consequence of the gestapo FBI’s wanton destruction of evidence but they’re not are they

    one can only conclude that sleazy cowardly Chris Wray’s complicit in the corruption and criminality

    and as far as the rank and file FBI trash goes give me a break – they draw these people from the same wellspring of trash the Secret Service hires from

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  134. Fine. Just so you know that you are contradicting Mr. President who is Donald John Trump, and you’re already in Dutch with him because of your squabbles with Ivanka.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. we’re gonna get through this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. happyfeet, today Francis Porretto at Liberty’s Torch had this to say:

    The doctrine of sovereign immunity – in the medieval formula, “the King and his agents can do no wrong” — has been used to protect criminal behavior by law enforcers, by bureaucrats, by elected and appointed officials…and by private citizens who were once elected or appointed officials. It’s a clear contradiction to the classical Rule of Law, which holds that a person’s status has no bearing on his culpability under the law. But as it’s the political elite protecting themselves and their confreres, the common citizen has had to watch in helpless frustration when such scum as Lon Horiuchi and Janet Reno commit open murder under color of law and go scot free.

    But our present moment, in which the FBI is blandly denying Congress a large amount of vital evidence of Justice Department corruption under a literally unbelievable rationale, has confronted those elites with a specimen of defiance that might just get them to reconsider:

    Maybe I’m just getting paranoid, but today’s limp excuse is so lame that it almost seems as though there must be something more sinister going on here than simply failing to comply with a congressional investigation.
    What the FBI is doing is demonstrating its political power — baring its fangs, if you will — by showing in the most obviously unbelievable way that it will do what it please. The FBI wants the people who count to understand that the Bureau cannot and will not be held accountable….

    The FBI didn’t come up with a lame excuse because that’s all they could come up with. They came up with a lame excuse because they think that’s all they need.

    And unless Congress steps up, they’ll be right.

    FBI agents committed multiple murders at both Ruby Ridge and Waco…and the agents involved in both atrocities weren’t just protected from the just consequences of their actions, they were promoted. It would have been logical for FBI agents from top to bottom to conclude that if they could do what they did in those incidents and suffer no penalty, they could get away with anything. What will Congress’s response be today?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  137. these are the scummy people Meghan’s coward daddy, the erratic and deeply unserious chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, so proudly delivered his falsified phonied-up pee pee dossier to Mr. Reverend

    the corruption is vast and the stank permeates much of our sleazy Congress already

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. You know that it was Wray who ended the government shutdown, right? He called McConnell and Schumer into his office and said: “My boys better get their paychecks this Friday, Senators, or else.”

    nk (dbc370)

  139. “Secret Society” like Spanky and Alfalfa’s Women-Haters Club?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. The way shipwreckedcrew described it in his comments from 114 on, it sure sounds like it. Skull and Crossbones is like quaintsville, man.

    nk (dbc370)

  141. what i learned today is how the piggy pensions are much more central to the thinkings and designs of the doj fbi swamptrash than i ever realized

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. “…at common law, it is the legal principle that a witness who testifies falsely about one matter is not credible to testify about any matter.” (Wikipedia)

    According to the fact-checkers at the Washington Post, President Trump has presented us with over 2,000 outright lies in the last year. Of course you cannot be expected to believe that figure but lets just say its somewhere around half that many or even a quarter. Then there are the lies of others in the Administration. Like Flynn and Papadopoulos who told lies to the FBI and the entire campaign denying contacts with the Russians.

    Now, lets compare those to the provable lies that the FBI has spread this past year. How many can you come up with? One? Two? None?

    But you all have your marching orders. Donald needs you to run defense for him. Blame the FBI. So…. you do.

    noel (b4d580)

  143. the FBI is destroying evidence and obstructing justice

    having them in charge of law enforcement is like having Stormy Daniels in charge of pervert Mitt Romney’s harem of young boys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  144. Sooner or later, the FBI will be held accountable… right?

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  145. Fact checkers, thanks for the humor, Noel, yes that was the kind of folderall you have to say, before evidence of spoliation became apparent.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Strzok as Froggy, Page as Darla…

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  147. I know. Its convenient to believe nothing the Washington Post writes while believing everything the President says despite all facts to the contrary.

    noel (b4d580)

  148. Google it, noel, get a fvcking clue…

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  149. You Republican “supporter” you…

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  150. As opposed to Obama who sicced prosecutors on the key people who developed the leads that led to bin laden

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. “BYRON YORK: What’s next in the investigation of those missing FBI texts.

    My take: This is another colossal embarrassment for the FBI. If they’re willing to take this blow for the coverup, then what they’re covering up must be much, much worse. And no, I don’t for a minute believe that this was an accident or a technical glitch. There should be criminal investigations and lots of firings. But there won’t be, because while lying to the FBI is a crime, for the FBI to lie to us is, apparently, par for the course.

    Flashback: “Hypothesis: The spying-on-Trump thing is worse than we even imagine, and once it was clear Hillary had lost and it would inevitably come out, the Trump/Russia collusion talking point was created as a distraction.”

    UPDATE: From the comments: “This is a torch and pitchfork deal if the FBI doesn’t come clean. It’s a game-changer. I think you are taking it too casually. When the cops are the criminals, it’s over.”

    Oh, I don’t think I’m taking it casually at all.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/286751/

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  152. When Every Top Cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  153. Oh. Some FBI agents are Democrats? Oh no. How did they let that happen?

    Are we equating individual bias with FBI lying?

    noel (b4d580)

  154. “WAPO: Democrats just got rolled. They can blame Barack Obama. “If he had wanted to act, he could have. Obama’s party controlled the House, and Democrats had a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority. If Obama really wanted to pass either the Dream Act or comprehensive immigration reform, Republicans were powerless to stop him. But he didn’t do it.”

    He didn’t do it because it was highly unpopular and would have seriously damaged the Democrats’ position. Dem strategy has always been to sucker the Republicans into taking this highly unpopular move, after which Democrats would happily reap the benefits of imported voters.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/286750/

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  155. Take ali soufan, who was serving as Abu zubeydahs devils advocate, while one of his observers was giving up the rest of the team to his attys

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. How far down the rabbit hole, this far:
    http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/taunting-trump/7545

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. Caiaphas speaks with forked tongue

    We kind of gave him—‘All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here,’” Perkins told me in an interview for the latest episode of POLITICO’s Off Message podcast.

    Weigh a paid-off porn star against being the first president to address the March for Life, and a lot of evangelical leaders insist they can still walk away happy.

    Evangelical Christians, says Perkins, “were tired of being kicked around by Barack Obama and his leftists. And I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully.”

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/23/tony-perkins-evangelicals-donald-trump-stormy-daniels-216498

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  158. The Ends Justifies Means party !

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  159. Cry us a river Burned…

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  160. The Democratic House members have it so easy.
    They really don’t have to vote and when they do they can vote “no” (or anything) and it has no event.
    (keep in mind that when this same situation occurred with Newt, Henry Gonzales (D-TX) didn’t show up in DC for most of the two years of his last term)

    For House members to point at the Senate and say “They Caved” is truly disingenuous.

    Neo (d1c681)

  161. Kernel popcorn the imitation Christian!

    Howzit hangin false profit ?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  162. Been Burned… a shopworn Rear Admiral and a pusillanimous pagan…

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  163. “And I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully.” Perkins.

    Translation: Morals don’t matter. (Unless you’re gay, of course.)

    noel (b4d580)

  164. Love is God’s primary attribute and, redeemed and empowered by His love, our primary duty is to love God and love others. This is the central message of Jesus and the Bible. The world religions disagree on many things, but most agree that the Highest Ultimate is primarily loving, good, or blissful and that we are to treat others as we would want to be treated. Such notions are backed up by the phenomenology of religious experience, miracles, and our ethical intuitions.

    But because Evangelicals refuse to accept this, they make the Bible into an idol and act in ways that are profoundly unloving.

    For example, because of a handful of texts that condemn homosexuality, they treat LGBTQ people in ways that can only be described as hateful.

    They mock them and condemn them. They compare their most intimate relationships to pedophiles, sex with animals, pollution, rape, and murder. They isolate them, suspect them, and treat them with revulsion (even those who are trying to follow their rules). They claim natural disasters, terrorist attacks, or AIDS are God’s judgment for our “wicked” acceptance them.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/postconservativeorphan.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/trump-and-the-practical-apostasy-of-evangelicalism/amp/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  165. You Dims are getting played, noel.

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  166. Have to wonder about Sleeznk and Page. What was their exit strategy?

    They counting on entrenched co-conspirators offering resignations up until retirement.

    Are traitors allowed a social security check in prison?

    God I wish that dirty s o b would have offered me his resignation. I would have took his gun badge earbuds sun glasses black suit, then have had the muscle pitch him out in the road by his ears.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  167. Colonel. What’s with all the fifth-grader insults? At least narciso throws in some three and four syllable slights. But then again, is immaturity measured in syllables?

    Wait…. I missed your use of “pusillanimous” earlier. Still, a fifth grade mentality.

    noel (b4d580)

  168. Benjo ditch burns has been decommissioned. Call him Defenestrated Dan. “You sank my battleship.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  169. immaturity is 5 syllables which is the same as pusillanimous so they get the same score

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. Have to wonder about Sleeznk and Page. What was their exit strategy?

    Their exit strategy was Trump’s exit.

    Thank you Russia “collusion” investigation, without which we wouldn’t find all these vermin under the rocks. In other words, thank you partisan Dem hacks — you’re doing the country a service, despite your worst intentions.

    random viking (8138da)

  171. Kernel overuses new words he learns

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  172. Yes one should be more compassionate with sinners who have decided their chains are liberating. Who has it again who called heterosexuals breeders who compared the tea party to their more most sordid acts.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. narciso says, “Yes one should be more compassionate with sinners who have decided their chains are liberating”.

    Speck or plank? What do you see?

    noel (b4d580)

  174. My struggle is with the church. I’m watching the reaction to how leaders in The Church, many whom I’ve known my entire life, are destroying their testimonies by not only accepting this reprobate- but are blasphemously using God’s Word to defend him!

    I was floored and appalled when I read a comment on my Facebook page by a missionary this morning who our family has financially supported to “stop bitching” about Trump. I was emailed by a “Christian woman” yesterday who told me that I should “feel flattered if a man talked to me that way.” I get refusals from Christian fathers to respond when I ask if they were willing to sacrifice the “crotches of their daughters” to save the country from Hillary. They respond with venomous attacks because their answer will either make them look like a hypocrite or a reprobate. Another woman who was the wife of a former pastor told me in regards to the same question, “As far as my daughters and grand-daughters are concerned, I trust them to God’s care.” Maybe the victim’s fathers simply didn’t trust them into God’s care quite enough and Trump really isn’t responsible for any of it?

    http://www.libertyjuice.com/2016/10/10/trump-and-the-apostate-church-the-destruction-of-a-testimony/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  175. After the election, when Trump said of the Clintons “they’re good people”, that was an olive branch extended. And, of course, the Dems wouldn’t reach for it — as that’s not their nature. So glad they didn’t.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  176. 183

    Tortoise/scorpion

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  177. Do you mean frog/scorpion?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  178. That’s more concern trolling, so hhs is providing a division for conscientious physicians, that would seem more significant no.

    Katie barger the schumers staffer who swiped steeles credit report, married a leaky committee staffer and flacks for yet another soros outfit which legitimates sin

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. Yeah. Trump/Rumpublican honor hordes..frog/turtle

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  180. Never trust a Trumpublican with anything of value.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  181. Trying to figure out what CHIP is. The government seems to want it obscure, and in comparison to other jello termz like Medicaid, tantalizing the inquisitive with “See if you qualify” where you’re forced to sig n up, treated to a personal version of “got to pass it to find out whats in it”.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  182. Children’s health insurance?

    Always available to assist the semi literate.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  183. In Minnesota, the program mainly covers children not eligible for Medicaid but also pregnant women who earn up to 278 percent of the federal poverty level.

    Huh. Soooooooooooo. CHIP is a full employment for insurance company program.

    Dems will be so popular with their woke constituencies.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  184. Because who doesn’t toss and turn nights worrying how Lois Lerner will cover Little Lulu’s tonsilectomy?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  185. Huh?

    DOH!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  186. It’s been around since 1997.

    nk (dbc370)

  187. And now back to our exciting story. Chuckie gets another bite at the DACA Apple in three weeks. Don’t go to sleep.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  188. 10.

    Tucker Carlson’s great-great-grandfather, conservative pundit Tomi Lahren’s great-great-grandfather (who forged his immigration papers, no less

    That’s one thing I have been saying.

    Many of the late 19th century and early 20th century immigrants didn’t abide by immigration law.

    This was what hapepned. It was in connection with naturalization:

    https://wonkette.com/622623/tomi-lahren-meet-the-great-great-grandfather-prosecuted-for-forging-his-citizenship-papers

    Tomi Lahren’s great-great-grandfather was indicted on two separate counts, for “willfully, unlawfully and knowingly” making a false affidavit in connection with a naturalization proceeding, and for forging a naturalization document, in violation of the Naturalization Act of June 29, 1906. The grand jurors accused him of swearing falsely to the date of his declaration, and of altering the original papers (“with a knife or steel eraser or other instrument unknown to the Grand Jurors”) to make it look like his declaration of intention to become a citizen had been executed in 1911 rather than 1909, apparently because he’d let too much time elapse before completing the naturalization process.

    But – lucky for Tomi – despite the evidence, the trial jury apparently had sympathy for Mr. Dietrich and acquitted him of the charges. He went on to successfully become a citizen in 1926….

    Saved by jury nullification.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  189. In 2009, Kylie Bax sued the French men’s magazine Max Magazine for using bare-breasted images of her on its magazine wrapper. No photos of her were inside the publication. [1] Her lawsuit cited that the “sexualised nature of the photographs was inconsistent with the image that she had sought to develop”.[1] The images had been taken about six years earlier, and she was not compensated for their use by Max Magazine, and the photographer was assured that they would not be published without her consent

    papertiger (c8116c) — 1/23/2018 @ 12:44 am

    That’s why Jeannie always wore a bikini top. You could never put them back in the bottle.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  190. Colonel Haiku accuses noel sarcastically… “You Republican “supporter” you…”.

    OK, Colonel. I have told you before, I am a Republican who has been involved in Republican campaigns since before Donald Trump changed his registration to Republican. And, as you probably know, there are about ten percent of the GOP who do not agree with his race remarks nor his attacks on a free press nor the Russia denials that turn out to be less than honest. We may not like the nuke tweets a whole lot either. And we wonder how you can ignore all of that.

    That being said, if you wish to continue to argue with me about things only I can know, I can’t stop you. If commenting out of complete ignorance of the facts is your thing, then don’t complain about fake news. Your misinformation is read by more folks than many small town papers.

    noel (b4d580)

  191. right as if they didn’t accuse Reagan of being ignorant, a racist, a bible thumper determined on bringing about Armageddon, your concerned pitch needs work,

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. The difference, narciso, is that the Reagan accusations were false.

    noel (b4d580)

  193. noel, if you are an actual Republican and I say “if” because your comments here do not resonate as those of a Republican. That said I am perfectly willing to accept your word for it. Therefore it seems that your a neverTrumper which would explain your hostility toward the only president since Reagan who has culled the leftist juggernaut. If pulling out of the Paris accords and the climate hoax, cutting taxes for all tax paying Americans, eliminating obsolete and redundant and downright harmful regulations, trying to get immigration under wraps from the lying racist democrats, laying the groundwork for the repatriation of trillions of US dollars with tax changes, the latest unemployment numbers including those at historical levels for blacks and Hispanics then perhaps the positive response of the DOW to a businessman rather than a racist community organizer will help you understand why people like him.

    And most importantly, noel because of Trump Hillary will never, ever be president. Winning!

    As an added bonus we get to watch leftist heads explode every day. And do you think we would have ever, ever heard of the goings on of the Deep State including the DoJ, FBI,NSA and IRS? They were and still are in the pocket of the DNC and we can’t give up until that corruption is ended.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  194. My problem is not with what Donald Trump does right. Its with how he disregards the truth, demands personal loyalty from our FBI, makes racially charged remarks, falsely accuses President Obama of not being a US citizen and supports child-molesters for US Senate. Etc. Etc.

    Now, how is it, Rev.Hoagie, that you can only see one side of the Trump ledger? I have no problem agreeing with the President on Israel, abortion, and other issues. Its you. Its you who refuses to see the whole truth.

    noel (b4d580)

  195. Blind loyalty is dangerous. It is how we ended up with Watergate.

    I can acknowledge that the economy is good and also recognize that it didn’t happen in just the last few months. I agree with cutting taxes on the middle class but eliminating the estate tax would effectively allow billionaires to avoid taxes for generations. I can agree that immigration is out of control without using DACA children as political weapons.

    I try. Try to be loyal. But to the truth, not the latest version of the Republican Party.

    noel (b4d580)

  196. is he serious, the market was kept up because of quantitative easing, the treasury was buying securities, but there was no aggregate increase in employment,

    narciso (d1f714)

  197. Many think Reagan’s Alzheimer’s emerged while in WH. Our Drooler-in-Chief already has an IQ like his golf handicap and Memory Mush.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  198. Even if the president’s doctor told him he was suffering from a condition that might impair his functioning in office, like the early stages of dementia, it’s unclear what would happen next. The White House doctor would probably tell an aide or advisor about Trump’s diagnosis, but he also might not. If such a diagnosis were publicly disclosed, the Twenty-Fifth Amendment leaves it to the Cabinet and Vice President Pence to decide whether Trump is unfit to serve. The Cabinet could opt to do nothing. If the Cabinet determines that he’s incapacitated, Trump could contest its finding. If Congress fails to approve the Cabinet’s decision​, it would put the president back in power​.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/547856/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  199. Everybody is blowing a lot of smoke. Trump because he wants to make himself look better than he is and cannot stand the slightest smudge on his glitter. The Democrats to hide their dirty tricks.

    nk (dbc370)

  200. i love how shiny the glitter makes him it’s like he’s a superstar at a fancy dress-up event

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  201. That day, Hannity’s website ranked among the top 10 shared by the network of Twitter accounts linked to Russian influence campaigns and tracked by the nonpartisan Alliance for Securing Democracy on its national-security project, the Hamilton 68 dashboard. Hannity content had not registered much previously—but since Dec. 20, links from Hannity’s site have appeared frequently on the dashboard, often ranking among the top 10. “It’s now up there with other top most-shared domains,” says Bret Schafer, an analyst who monitors the dashboard for the Alliance.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/sean-hannity-is-now-a-top-weapon-for-russian-trolls-attacking-america/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  202. I wouldn’t call lies, bluff, lies, bluster, lies, threats, lies, temper tantrums, and lies magic.

    nk (dbc370)

  203. The back-channel for Hammity is our beloved NUNES!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  204. Cage match 2018: Kamala takes on Chuck?

    Mitch (341ca0)

  205. 201… noel, you weak-kneed sod, if you would turn just half of your gnashing of teeth/rending of garments/focus to the corruption of and politicization at the highest levels of the DOJ, FBI, Dept. of State, and activities of the Administrative State it would be a start.

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  206. I don’t recall reading anything along those lines, but perhaps I’ve missed it.

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  207. Colonel Haiku says…. “noel, you weak-kneed sod”….

    Oh, I love it when the other guy starts name-calling. Cuz, well, everyone already knows what it means.

    Secondly, your assumption that the DOJ, FBI and Dept. of State are corrupt is a bit at odds with the fact that Donald Trump appointed their leaders. But then proof isn’t needed when name-calling will suffice. Right Sir?

    noel (b4d580)

  208. why bureau personnel like soufan and clemente, mislead jane mayer about gitmo detainees including the ones who provided the leads to bin laden, goldsmith, comey and co, ganged up on Gonzalez, powell and Armitage and Wilkerson were always undercutting the administration,

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. You guys are really reaching.

    Even Steve Bannon called Jr’s behavior “treasonous”. Not some “Secret Society”. (But damn, you gotta admit that fantasy is just plain hilarious.)

    No, it was your buddy…. Steve.

    noel (b4d580)

  210. yes, and he retracted, like ron Susskind wolff has a history of putting words in peoples mouths,

    narciso (d1f714)

  211. The Democrats and the Republicans only care about politics and what kind of power, fame, and money it can bring them. Trump, his family, and associates are the same on steroids, which is why they are winning right now. They will do anything for the rewards politics can bring.

    There are a few people in Washington who still care about truth and values but they have been marginalized and are powerless. But some Americans still care and I hope a few people in the House still care.

    DRJ (15874d)

  212. “Retracted”? He retracted?

    So, he took back the words that he didn’t deny until the sh!t hit the fan. Those words?

    Believe what you have to. We’ll let that be “your truth”.

    noel (b4d580)

  213. Just cause Sloppy Steve says something is treasonous, does not mean something is treasonous. What other things do you take Bannon’s word for?

    nk (dbc370)

  214. You were the one believing Bannon, nk. I was never guilty of that.

    noel (b4d580)


  215. Secondly, your assumption that the DOJ, FBI and Dept. of State are corrupt is a bit at odds with the fact that Donald Trump appointed their leaders. But then proof isn’t needed when name-calling will suffice. Right Sir?
    noel (b4d580) — 1/24/2018 @ 9:29 am


    You’re doing it again, noel. You’re blaming Donald Trump for a problem that existed and was created before he was even running for president. This is the type of comment that makes people doubt your creds. The fact that Trump appointed the current heads of these agencies has nothing to do with the years of corrupt conspiracy among and between them and their “leaking” for political purposes to their co-conspirators in the press. Trump did not create a corrupt Deep State, Trump inherited it. That’s why they hate him. He wants to disband it and they are fighting for their very existence (not to mention their lucrative pay, golden bene’s, obscene retirement and audacious power).

    You are correct that nothing is gained with name calling though. However, as conservatives we are called racists, haters, bigots, misogynists, white supremacists, Nazis, homophobes and Islamophobic on a daily basis by everyone in Hollywood, entertainment the media and academia. Even a democrat presidential candidate called us “deplorables”. So you’ll have to forgive when one turns the table on perceived leftists. Still doesn’t make it right, just understandable.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  216. “Sloppy Steve”. I can’t believe you have to use the exact sophomoric language of your master… day to day…. like that.

    It just seems so slavish.

    noel (b4d580)

  217. Rev.Hoagie…. there is no “Deep State” just like there was no fake Obama birth certificate. You make yourself sound so pathetic repeating that groundless garbage.

    Come on. You are more intelligent than that.

    noel (b4d580)

  218. “Deep State”.

    Trump appointed the heads of these agencies a year ago already. I think they would have noticed.

    noel (b4d580)

  219. I never believed in Bannon. I called him a “Judas” for saying that. Also the “uppity lackey of rich jerkoffs”. Why do you have to lie so much, noel?

    nk (dbc370)

  220. I do think that meeting was a nothingburger — at most showing that Don Jr. is a dumb-dumb that got fooled by some Russian bint — and Bannon an even bigger dumb-dumb to give that kind of ammunition to Wolff and “lifelong Republicans”.

    nk (dbc370)

  221. Whenever there is a change in Administrations, the bureaucracy will retain some resistant characters through the first years. That is what we might call…. typical.

    Fringe conspiracy theorists would prefer to call it “Deep State”.

    noel (b4d580)

  222. Certainly is a Deep State but it didn’t suddenly appear when Republican Oxen are gored..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  223. Trump is President. He controls the DOJ, FBI, and the executive branch. He can order any investigation he wants and he can decide who will conduct every investigation. He can bring in anyone he wants if he needs more/better personnel. The only reason we don’t have answers yet is because Trump has spent the past year targeting the media and his Beltway opponents instead of actual corruption.

    Instead, a few members of Congress are uncovering a few facts. It’s not enough to find real answers, but apparently it’s enough for Trump’s purposes. Keep the daily reality show going, right?

    DRJ (15874d)

  224. It’s been Mike Pence’s job from the moment he came on board Trump Force One to lie for Donald Trump. The claim he made about no member of the Trump team having associated with the Russians wasn’t the first, either for Pence or Trump. In fact, Trump continues to make such claims, even though they’ve long proven to be untrue.

    With news that Flynn talked to the FBI—without telling Trump—even before he left the White House, it’s becoming more clear that the reason we’ve been told why Flynn was sent packing was at least as phony as the Rosenstein memo cobbled together to cover up Trump’s firing of Comey.

    Flynn has been talking. He started talking even before Trump pulled the trigger. All of which should, and does, frighten Trump.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1735572

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  225. I thought Stephen Miller was President.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  226. Flynn, Papadopoulus, Don Jr, and Manafort have already been proven to have lied about their activities in regards to the Russians. Trump fired Comey to “ease the pressure” of the investigation too. One has to wonder why this doesn’t concern some of you?

    Look! Over there! The FBI is the problem.

    noel (b4d580)

  227. the fbi’s a corrupt cesspool of trash and sputum and hot-to-trot mistresses yuck so nasty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  228. Happyfeet.

    You know that you have to maintain a heterosexual aura if you are to retain credibility with some of the guys on here. Saying things like “hot-to-trot mistresses yuck so nasty” might give them pause.

    Just sayin’.

    noel (b4d580)

  229. You did it again, noel. Pointing out a “heterosexual aura” is the type of projection done by leftists not us. Just like the mentioning of race is leftist projection because we don’t care either way. If you want to be taken seriously as a Republican you have to stop the labeling and categorizing of people. It seems you can’t refute what is said so you attempt to besmirch the person saying it and that is very left wing.

    BTW, we neither know nor care about happyfeets proclivities and we love him anyway.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  230. You know that you have to maintain a heterosexual aura if you are to retain credibility with some of the guys on here.

    Aura? That is sooo gay.

    nk (dbc370)

  231. So, the FBI pension scheme is designed to assure the probity of agents, and therefore we should never use it for that purpose. Good to know!

    phunctor (034f5b)

  232. OK, my dopamine habit is getting harshed. Has anyone ever seen Ben and Dave in the same room?

    phunctor (034f5b)

  233. Another haiku sock?

    So sad..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  234. “heterosexual aura”.

    Joke. It was a silly joke to play along with Happyfeet’s naughty commentary. I guess I thought that was obvious.

    noel (b4d580)

  235. It was. I was joking back at you.

    nk (dbc370)

  236. ^ Bill Clinton running on the stage meme “Did Somebody Say Groped and Plied With Alcohol?”

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  237. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 1/25/2018 @ 8:43 am

    Another haiku sock?
    Nah bro, I went away for a year while our host got over the election, now I’m back. I’ve particularly missed the mirror guy and the felicopede.

    Dave is not Ben Burn
    But style resonates always
    Still not quite distinct

    phunctor (b2de2c)

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