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1/20/2018

Chuck Schumer’s Words Come Back to Haunt Him

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:55 pm

These are possibly the most fun videos since the Lindsey Graham “how dare the press call Trump a kook” “I think he’s a kook” videos. It’s Chuck Schumer in 2013, repeatedly talking about how idiotic and absurd it would be to do precisely what he is now doing in 2018. The hypocrisy is staggeringly funny.

First, here’s Chuckles talking about the “politics of idiocy” that would be involved in shutting down the government for immigration reform:

And here he is, calling shutting down the government for immigration reform “governmental chaos”:

When he’s right, he’s right.

I’ve even seen some media outlets questioning the Democrat line that this is the GOP’s fault. Honestly, it’s almost unthinkable to me that the GOP could win a government shutdown messaging battle . . . yet it may be happening, because of how utterly hypocritical and clumsy Schumer & Co. are.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

217 Responses to “Chuck Schumer’s Words Come Back to Haunt Him”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. Adopt the Beldar Plan, now!

    felipe (023cc9)

  3. De dongedy dong… serves that balding, undertaker looking, camera hunting blabber mouth right.

    Schumer’s a tumor on the ass of the body politic.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. Schumer and Trump are both flaming hypocrites.

    Dave (445e97)

  5. Hypocrisy is baked into the Democrat brand. Democrat voters know it, and don’t care. It’s an unpersuasive argument, if you expect it to change any minds.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  6. Hypocrisy? Heh. It’s been a growth industry for decades.

    I’m shocked!

    Shocked to know there’s gambling in the Big Casino

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  7. A first! ConDave speaks ill of a Dimocrat.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. Donald Trump’s Words Come Back to Haunt Him

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZFNxnMie0

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Beautiful weather all over our great country, a perfect day for all Women to March. Get out there now to celebrate the historic milestones and unprecedented economic success and wealth creation that has taken place over the last 12 months. Lowest female unemployment in 18 years!”

    harkin (8d01aa)

  10. Upchuck Schumer (CCCP), New York is a liar and a hypocrite. Although Random Viking is correct in saying: “Hypocrisy is baked into the Democrat brand. Democrat voters know it, and don’t care.” I think this time around a lot undecided are deciding they don’t like it any more.
    I still can’t believe the left is siding with foreigners over Americans. And finally people are noticing it. Of course I don’t expect the propaganda media to mention it.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  11. Vampires hate mirrors.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  12. That explains your disheveled commentary.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. The hypocrisy is roughly equivalent, as is the messaging ineptitude, but I think that this might turn out differently because the Dems have overplayed their hand. They’ve mis-timed it.

    Your own side can believe the hill the party leadership has picked to fight on is a good hill, a valorous hill, a necessary hill, if there are looming consequences that are genuinely imminent.

    Ted Cruz’ supporters in his Obamacare funding filibuster — I’m one — could credit him with acting in good faith precisely because the consequence he was trying to block (the funding) was indeed imminent.

    A DACA deadline that’s still in March doesn’t meet that test. And the degree of GOP opposition to a DACA fix (especially if it is offset with GOP priorities like ending chain migration, real Wall funding, etc.) doesn’t remotely resemble the kind of cosmic clash of competing world-views that existed over Obamacare.

    If ICE were rounding up Dreamers and cuffing them on the 6pm news, that’d be another story. But that’s not this, and that’s what they needed it to be in order to be sure of winning the PR fight again.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  14. Upchuck Schumer (CCCP), New York is a liar and a hypocrite.

    #3 on the list of recipients of Donald Trump’s federal campaign donations.

    (Charlie Rangel is #1)

    Dave (445e97)

  15. No, they lie like in the garcia case, omitting the drug
    conviction, that was the proximate cause for the deportation, nut Spanish TV want point this out.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. Upchuck Schumer (CCCP), New York is a liar and a hypocrite.

    #3 on the list of recipients of Donald Trump’s federal campaign donations.

    (Charlie Rangel is #1)

    Dave

    Trump didn’t make em hors.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  17. Hidden camera:
    Schumer versus Trump in back room DACA negotiations

    https://youtu.be/ChZD8NyHZrI

    papertiger (c8116c)

  18. Schumer’s already lost the fight, it’s his government shut down, and lame attempts to shift the blame onto the GOP only wrap the garlic rope tighter around his pencil neck.

    ropelight (e680e3)

  19. Concur with ropelight. Again, can someone more sympathetic to the Dems explain to me how this is a winning issue for them? Schumer and Pelosi and their congregation are giving the middle finger to actual Americans in favor of illegal aliens.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  20. And in case anybody is confused, I meant congregation. This is their god, and this is their church.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  21. Vampires hate mirrors.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 1/20/2018 @ 2:24 pm

    But apparently they love cameras.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  22. vampires are flakes like jeff

    i don’t even like vampires

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. In a way Schumer is a Camera Obscura.

    Pinandpuller (fa3bd5)

  24. I always heard that Spain’s thumb (p) is our middle finger.

    Pinandpuller (fa3bd5)

  25. Pulgar, indicio, medular, anular and chiquito if you are interested in fingering.

    Pinandpuller (fa3bd5)

  26. Off-topic, but in case you missed it:

    The Las Vegas PD has published its preliminary report on last October’s mass shooting.

    They have not been able to identify a motive, or connect the shooter to any ideology. There is no evidence that he was “radicalized” or affiliated to any group.

    He left no manifesto or suicide note. The only written item found in his hotel room was a calculation of bullet trajectories.

    There is no evidence that he had accomplices.

    He owed no one money, and paid all his gambling debts off prior to the attack.

    Apart from a minor muscle injury suffered three years earlier, he was physically healthy, but his primary-care physician suspected he was bipolar.

    Between 1982 and September 2016, he (lawfully) purchased 29 firearms. From October 2016 through September 2017, he (lawfully) purchased over 55 firearms and over 100 firearm related accessories including scopes, cases and bump stocks.

    There was evidence that he did internet searches for outdoor concert crowd sizes almost six months before the attack. A week before the attack, he stayed at a condominium complex overlooking another outdoor music festival in Las Vegas, and brought dozens of suitcases into his unit, just as he did at Mandalay Bay. Prior to that, he had reservations for hotel overlooking a festival in Chicago during August, but cancelled them two days before check-in.

    He had no criminal record, and his only contact with police had been for minor traffic citations. He had some child porn on one of his computers (his brother was arrested on child porn charges shortly after the attack), but otherwise the report says he committed no crime until he fired the first shot into the crowd from his hotel room.

    Dave (445e97)

  27. The Bastard’s always go for the little guy. Big business is safe but you Franchisees are disenfranchised.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/immigration-agents-raid-7-eleven-stores-nationwide-arrest-21-people-n836531

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  28. I hope the Feds are supplanting that most excellent Las Vegas PD. Thugs R Us doesn’t know much about forensics.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  29. 29.The Bastard’s always go for the little guy. Big business is safe but you Franchisees are disenfranchised.


    Right, It’s a conspiracy. Just where would you expect immigration agents to find illegals, stocking coolers and taking out trash at the franchises or wearing a suit in a cubicle doing accounting and corporate planning at the Home Office?

    Leftists, always looking for the next “victim” to b!tch about.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  30. First, assuming that you were in favor of the invasion of Iraq at the time of the invasion, do you believe today that the invasion of Iraq was a good idea? Why/why not?

    Absolutely. After ousting the Taliban, Saddam’s Iraq was the next obvious target. Sanctions were hurting the wrong people; Oil for Food was making the worst people rich; diplomacy never would have worked. Saddam’s forces were shooting at our planes on a daily basis. Google on “sarin + ‘artillery shell'” and tell me again that he wasn’t dangerous; we didn’t find WMD stockpiles, but we found capabilities, and we know from past experience that he had the willingness desire and intent, plus cash out the wazoo

    http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/beldar_answers_.html

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  31. Does Beldar still cling to this?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  32. Im just thinking stuff I believed in 2004. We wouldn’t have an icecap? Instead what we don’t have are daily satellite updates because the icecap is still there. And I found out that Saddam had the chemical weapons. Bush 2 classified their existence instead of parading them down 5th Avenue {thanks to Wikileaks} because he’s a bigger idiot than the Democrats ever painted him out to be.

    What else? Lotta water under the bridge since then.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  33. Lotta water under the bridge since then.

    Yeah. 4500 American casualties and Trillions in treasure.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  34. But Iraq oil paid for it like Mexico paid for teh Wall right?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  35. Yeah, it’s too bad 0bama snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, been burned.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


  36. 36.But Iraq oil paid for it like Mexico paid for teh Wall right?


    You do realize the Wall hasn’t been built yet? Therefore no one has paid for it.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  37. Freedumb ‘Cucks sweating on teevee.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  38. You do realize your last big success (Iraq) hasn’t been paid for yet?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  39. Hey BfC, if you’re reading, I have started your post. My hope is to get it done today.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  40. I was checking those numbers just the other day. Here’s some trivia.

    The Civil War, which ole Honest Abe instituted the income tax as a temporary measure to cover the cost of, which bumped the national debt from $65 million to $2,773 million, has never been paid for.

    I know that 2 ~ 3 billion is a footnote in today’s money but that’s only because after making the income tax permanent and making fiat currency inflation an annual (and now semi-annual) event a hundred and fifty years of the Mugabi treatment has obscured the true measure of the outlay.

    At any rate the Civil War has still yet to be paid for. We’ve just carried the $2 Billion forward year after year. And added more for each subsequent war.

    “You do not know the weight and length of strong chain you bear yourself! It was as full and as long as this one hundred and seventy Christmas eves ago. You have labored on it since. It is a ponderous chain!” – A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens

    papertiger (c8116c)

  41. You do realize the Wall hasn’t been built yet? Therefore no one has paid for it.

    Trump the real estate developer is presumably familiar with the concept of pre-construction prices.

    kishnevi (aaa345)

  42. How long does it take a congressman to read a 4 page memo.
    5 days!

    mg (8cbc69)

  43. Hence the selective fiscal poutrage.

    Massive military waste tolerance is SOP for the GOP. Much teeth-gnashing over health insurance for poor children.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  44. Trump the real estate developer is presumably familiar with the concept of pre-construction prices.


    What has that to do with comrade Ben’s! smart-azzed comment?

    It just keeps getting better. Don’t let the door hit ya….


    By Will Racke
    January 20, 2018 at 5:07pm

    Immigration authorities have detained in recent weeks two prominent activists who are themselves illegal immigrants, demonstrating the Trump administration’s commitment to expand the pool of deportable aliens.

    The arrested men have openly lived in the U.S. for years and have until recently enjoyed a de facto immunity from deportation, thanks to their status as high-profile immigrants’ rights activists.

    Both men are leaders of the New Sanctuary Coalition of New York City, a network of religious and social organizations that works to prevent the detention and deportation of illegal immigrants. ICE officers first detained Jean Montrevil, a Haitian national who had lived in the U.S. since 1986 despite having served a prison term for drug possession that resulted in a deportation order.

    Montrevil, who co-founded the New Sanctuary coalition, was taken into custody in early January near his home in Queens, touching off a firestorm of protest. Activists accused ICE of breaking an “understanding” that Montrevil would not be arrested while he appealed his order of removal. Despite the public outcry, ICE deported Montrevil to Haiti on Tuesday.

    The week before Montrevil’s removal, ICE arrested Ravidath Ragbir during his check-in with officials at the ICE office in New York.

    The executive director of New Sanctuary and the public face of immigration activism in New York City, Ragbir came to the U.S. in 1991 as a legal permanent resident, but he was ordered deportation in 2006 following a wire fraud conviction for which he served a two-and-a-half year prison sentence.

    The severity of Ragbir’s offense is debatable, but his conviction for wire fraud in a $400,000 mortgage embezzlement scheme was upheld in in 2002 by 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, President Donald Trump’s sister.

    Since that ruling, Ragbir has used his prominence in the activist community to successfully obtain several stays of removal. But the Trump administration’s more expansive immigration enforcement priorities appear to have closed the door for good.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  45. You do realize the Wall hasn’t been built yet? Therefore no one has paid for it.

    You do realize the House voted to make us pay for it a few days ago.

    The government is currently shut down because the Senate couldn’t pass the same thing.

    So it’s a bit dishonest to pretend that soaking the American taxpayers (or more accurately, their children and grandchildren) for tens of billions of dollars to pay for something Donald Trump promised he would get from Mexico for free is merely some abstract, speculative possibility.

    It could easily happen today or tomorrow.

    Dave (445e97)

  46. Nothing, Hoagie. I just was in the mood to make a smart aleck comment of my own.

    kishnevi (aaa345)

  47. Never mind Trump’s (and the Freedom Caucus’s) ongoing basic math problem. There aren’t 51 united Republican votes in the Senate without progress on immigration. And there sure as hell aren’t 51 votes to go nuclear. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was forced to reiterate that Sunday morning, issuing a statement that “The Republican Conference opposes changing the rules on legislation.” But now the House Freedom Caucus, which has thus far been controlling House Speaker Paul Ryan, really has something to sink their teeth into—a president backing up their unrealistic demands.

    https://m.dailykos.com

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  48. Nothing, Hoagie. I just was in the mood to make a smart aleck comment of my own.

    Communist.

    Dave (445e97)

  49. I remark upon like 8:26-39, for our wretched quarter, I know not his physical condition but he is mad.

    narciso (009ffa)

  50. It is madness to expect Republican administrations to honor promises said the tortoise to the scorpion.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  51. Hey BfC, if you’re reading, I have started your post. My hope is to get it done today.
    Patterico (115b1f) — 1/21/2018 @ 8:54 am

    Thank you Patterico.

    I hope you enjoy(ed) writing it.

    BfC

    BfC (5517e8)

  52. Go Nukular!

    Hey Mitch! Trump is full of wisdom teeth..pull them or bite!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  53. Where’s the cost study comparing the cost of building that wall and the cost to the US Treasury of illegal immigration? Not so long ago, immigrants had to prove they were supported by a citizen – who also had to sign a document that stated such – that they would not need government assistance. among many other requirements. Where’s that now. Let’s see that cost study that proves in illegal immigrants.

    And that doesn’t even address the social impact. KMA, illegal immigrantion advocates.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. Why don’t you go find it kernel popcorn.?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. Illegal immigration advocates… Let’s see a coherent, non-partisan analysis.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. Hoagie,

    thanks for that bit of good news on a Sunday. Enforcing the law and defending citizens against criminal aliens. Who would’ve thought that day would ever come?

    NJRob (b00189)

  57. Let’s see a coherent, non-partisan analysis.

    Well then I guess you should leave heavy lifting to someone capable…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  58. I say secure the borders and enforce current law. Prove that there’s a plus to illegal immigration, both financial and societal impact-wise.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. The folks who followed the legal process will tell you they were put thru the wringer, having to meet stringent requirements – requirements that any sane nation employ – to win permanent entry and eventual citizenship. Why should those who flout our laws get a pass?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. NJRob and Colonel, today they have an excellent post about illegal immigration and why the left not only loves it but needs it at Sultanknish.blogspot.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  61. That’s what my wife went through, Colonel. Why should people from sh!tholes be require any less?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  62. Why should those who flout our laws get a pass?

    Why indeed.

    “Congress, get ready to do your job – DACA!” – Donald Trump

    “Democrats are doing nothing for DACA – just interested in politics. DACA activists and Hispanics will go hard against Dems, will start “falling in love” with Republicans and their President! We are about RESULTS.” – Donald Trump

    Dave (445e97)

  63. Thanks Hoagie. We see lots of the virtue signaling, hand-wringing and emotional crap from these advocates.

    Prove. It. Is. In. This. Nation’s. Best. Interest.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. I place more value in Actions than Words, ConDave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. I see former congress critter Jane Harman (a wealthy woman now director of the Woodie Wilson Center) saying government shutdown “is a live fire exercise… why 35 people have now been furloughed from the center”.

    Sounds like some fat in need of trimming right there.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  66. I place more value in Actions than Words, ConDave.

    If you’re suggesting that President Trump is capable of uttering an untruth or doesn’t mean every word he says from the bottom of his only-slightly-diseased heart, you must be another commie leftist.

    I’m sure Col. Hoagie had you pegged all along!

    Dave (445e97)

  67. Her Majesty’s a pretty nice girl
    But she doesn’t have a lot to say
    Her Majesty’s a pretty nice girl
    But she changes from day to day

    I wanna tell her that I love her a lot
    But I gotta get a belly full of wine
    Her Majesty’s a pretty nice girl
    Someday I’m gonna make her mine

    Dave (445e97)

  68. Where’s the cost study comparing the cost of building that wall and the cost to the US Treasury of illegal immigration?

    As if that would make a difference. If the Mexican president held a press conference today announcing that Mexico would pay every cent of the wall, not a single Dem would change their mind. Cost is a red herring.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  69. “is a live fire exercise… why 35 people have now been furloughed from the center”.

    They must be the ones who monitor killer asteroids.

    harkin (8256c3)

  70. Cost is a red herring.

    Whether it would change any Democratic votes is irrelevant.

    Trump made it the central element of his campaign, and repeated the promise hundreds of times.

    If he sticks American taxpayers (and their children and grandchildren) with the bill, it’s the most shameful and treacherous betrayal of the voters in American political history.

    Dave (445e97)

  71. Dave, I think most consider the wall on the same level as the 3rd item mentioned in a 2000s vintage MasterCard commercial. If it must be paid for without Mexico, I think much of the affected states would give up major transportation capital for a 2 /3 year period.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  72. If he sticks American taxpayers (and their children and grandchildren) with the bill, it’s the most shameful and treacherous betrayal of the voters in American political history.

    Oh gawd. That’s not an overreach — no not at all.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  73. Dave, you need some fresh material. Is Greek saying, maybe Latvian too, that even God gets bored with too much “Kyrie eleison”.

    nk (dbc370)

  74. not a single Dem would change their mind.

    Cuz it’s stoopid is as stoopid does.

    Maginot line, history buffs?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  75. I read that Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), herself a retired lt. colonel in the U.S. Army, was swinging back at Trump today, disrespectfully saying that she didn’t intend to be lectured by a five-deferment draft-dodger and mocking him as “Cadet Bone Spurs.”

    I’m shocked by that disrespect for our Commander in Chief. Trump was a “cadet captain” by the time he finished up at the New York Military Academy, so he’s entitled to be addressed as “Cadet Captain Bone Spurs.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  76. The least he could have done was join the the Texas Air National Guard and pretend to serve.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  77. Good article Hoagie. Thanks for it.

    He is correct that Hispanic is a made up group of Europeans and that the left depends on illegals for votes. Where he neglects is that he doesn’t see that Democrats have learned from previous mistakes of encouraging assimilation and now try to keep immigrants in enclaves where they don’t assimilate and are forever outsiders. They want to keep them outside of America so they will be perpetually dependent on the left and their paltry goods. Think the Soviets and bread lines.

    Pure evil.

    NJRob (b00189)

  78. The Democrats are in a hard place because their base is unhappy and want action, but DACA probably isn’t the program they want to use to draw a line in the sand. Abortion or SSM issues would have worked better for Democrats, but immigration and DACA is all they have left.

    Do Democratic voters care enough about the Dreamers to make this the best issue their leaders can use to stand up to the GOP? I’m not convinced Democrats care as much about immigration as Republicans care.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. I’m not convinced Democrats care as much about immigration as Republicans care.

    So much for the semantics of caring. I think there are planets that orbit closer than liberal/conservative ethics and compassion.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  80. Admittedly the progressives are too soft but conservatives are hard and cold.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  81. I’m not convinced Democrats care as much about immigration as Republicans care.


    Unfortunately, DRJ that is exactly true. The democrat leaders want illegal as well as legal immigration to amass votes and in the upcoming census a whole crapload of new democrat districts. IOW, strictly political reasons. The republicans want legal immigration for cheap labor but I don’t think they’re all in on illegals. IOW, strictly economic reasons.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  82. Ryan got screwed. He should ask for a percentage to supplement his Congressional 100 percent pension..
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a63ce41e4b0dc592a09697c

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  83. Do Democratic voters care enough about the Dreamers to make this the best issue their leaders can use to stand up to the GOP?

    Democrat voters, another red herring. Schumer is banking that the media will side with the Dems, as they always do.

    Not surprisingly, the loss of comity over the decades has coincided with the rise of the media’s “thumb on the scale” influence. The Dems take ridiculous gambles because they know succuss sometimes has little to do with it’s actual popularity with voters.

    random viking (6a54c2)


  84. ….but conservatives are hard and cold.


    Would that be killing an unborn baby “cold” or telling a guy in a dress with fake tits he’s really not a female “cold”?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  85. 86…Tell me about it, random Viking. They put out “polls” conducted, excuse me concocted, by fellow travelers as facts on a 24/7 cycle and convince conservatives and moderates to stay home. That’s why they went crazy last November. It was all in the bag.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  86. What’s cold is forced birthing followed by economic, psychologic and physical abuse thanks to all that compassion from Republican hardened and cool cheapskate misers.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  87. Video of the public meeting of Trump and members of Congress on immigration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc5tIKFDy1s

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  88. Ben Burn,

    I think there is caring on both sides off all these issues, but they are difficult issues because they all require balancing. No side can always win and be fair. For example, unlimited abortion is fair to mothers but not to the aborted babies, some of whom could have had lives worth living. SSM rights benefit gays and lesbians but it does impact religious beliefs. And for every illegal immigrant who comes to America, there is an impact on immigrants who want to come legally and find the door is basically closed.

    Caring only for the side you approve of doesn’t mean you are the only person who cares.

    DRJ (15874d)

  89. Drj

    I think you understand that compassionate conservative is an oxymoron.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  90. Even with media support, it will be hard for the Democrats to win the PR war without strong support from their base and some of the public. I’m not convinced that even their base cares that much about the Dreamers. Everyone likes the idea of helping children brought here by their parents, but does either side want to pay a hefty price to help them? I can’t tell.

    DRJ (15874d)

  91. I don’t agree, Ben. Thinking about consequences doesn’t mean people lack compassion.

    DRJ (15874d)

  92. It is compassionate to anticipate the impact of policies and plan for them. It is uncaring to base policy-making on wishful thinking and emotion.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. @87. Freedom of choice.

    It’s American as Pennsylvania Dutch apple pie!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. As if that would make a difference. If the Mexican president held a press conference today announcing that Mexico would pay every cent of the wall, not a single Dem would change their mind. Cost is a red herring.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 1/21/2018 @ 10:33 am

    Back from brunch… I have no realistic expectations of changing a single Dimmies mind, viking, i’m talking about getting the facts out there and reigning in all this emotional horsestuff. “Does this make sense for the USA?”

    Of primary importance – at least to me – are securing the borders, eliminating chain migration (where the real numbers lay) enforcing our current immigration-related laws before any work on other “reforms”. If this were done, we wouldn’t need much in the way of other immigration reform, at least as I see it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. Ben, best image of the cycle so far, our Captain behind the desk in the Oval, in his white hat (for sale at $45 ea., of course) holding a phone looking at the camera smiling, feigning he’s ‘working the phones.’ Shades of the taco bowl pix.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Does the mother of an aborted baby care more, even though she ignored the risk of pregnancy, never considered birth control or abstinence, and only thought about her sexual desires? Or does a mother who waited until she had financial support — either a job or a husband — care more?

    Do SSM believers care more if they put their right to a wedding cake ahead of a baker’s religious beliefs?

    Should Americans care more about desperate illegal immigrants or desperate legal immigrants?

    DRJ (15874d)

  97. 91. DRJ (15874d) — 1/21/2018 @ 11:51 am

    And for every illegal immigrant who comes to America, there is an impact on immigrants who want to come legally and find the door is basically closed.

    That is really not the case. The number of illegal immigrants has no effect on the number of legal immigrants allowed. They are not counted against it. It is not as if the more illegal immigration is stopped the more legal immigration Congress will authorize.

    In fact, if anything it is the opposite. Historically, the more illegal immigration, the more legal immigration because illegal immigration is the incentive to Congress to allow more legal immigration. It’s just not working out that way right now.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  98. Dimmies have always valued (and will continue to do so) good intentions over results of what they have done. They must view themselves as heroic. It’s a part of their make-up, their approach to nearly everything … how they roll.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. 99… well said, ma’am.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. DRJ (15874d) — 1/21/2018 @ 12:05 pm

    Should Americans care more about desperate illegal immigrants or desperate legal immigrants?

    That doesn’t make any sense, because legal immigrants aren’t desperate.

    I think you might mean would-be legal immigrants.

    They should, and do, care more abouit desperate illegal immigrants than desperate would be (legal) immigrants because the illegal immigranmts are already here, and they see them and they interact with them, and deporting them ruins their lives while prohibiting legal immigration in many casxes merely crushes their dreams.

    Reopublicans also think Democrats care more about illegal immigranst ebvcause they wantt o trade off legalzing DACA for restriuting futurer legal immigration. But they actually don’t care that much.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  101. @78.I read that Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), herself a retired lt. colonel in the U.S. Army, was swinging back at Trump today, disrespectfully saying that she didn’t intend to be lectured by a five-deferment draft-dodger and mocking him as “Cadet Bone Spurs.”

    Naturally Trump’s tweet is locked, loaded and read to fire: ‘Tiny Tammy doesn’t have a leg to stand on.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. 98… I think all of the pics of 0bama gazing at the real subject of the pics, those who were being honored, are much more fabulous l.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. Freedom of choice”

    Freedom requires responsibility. That’s why President Adams said our form of government is sufficient only for a religious and virtuous people.

    Too many Americans confuse freedom with licence and beg for the chains of a benevolent government. They demand their “rights” with no thought of their own responsibilities.

    TheBas (f00165)

  104. Yes, it is the case, Sammy. If we had control of our borders, we could welcome more legal immigrants as workers.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. That doesn’t make any sense, because legal immigrants aren’t desperate.

    It does, some may be, and they didn’t flout and break our laws to get here, which is the point I understood, Sammeh.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. People trying to come to America legally can be just as desperate, Sammy, but not willing or able to take the risk of doing it illegally.

    DRJ (15874d)

  107. Freedom requires responsibility.

    ROFLMAOPIP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  108. From the many immigrants I’ve met, the main difference between legal and illegal immigrants isn’t their desperation but how easy it is for them to decide the laws aren’t important. If you come from a place where the law is a joke and/or bribes are common, coming illegally doesn’t seem like a big deal.

    DRJ (15874d)

  109. Does anyone remember the commenter who went by the handle “random?” I think he is here.

    felipe (023cc9)

  110. 110.People trying to come to America legally can be just as desperate…

    This is true; you have to be desperately seeking something to throw your fate upon the gristmill of any bureaucracy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. This whole drama of the government shutdown is democrat theater meant to distract from the damning Intel memo. This is why something Schumer thought ludicrous before is important now, even if it looks bad for the dems, it’s much better than talking about the memo.

    TheBas (f00165)

  112. Trump contributed a lot more to the United States by not joining the military, than Duckworth did by joining. She is a walking (on artificial legs) argument against women in combat. Besides the helicopter and crew she managed to lose, she has also cost the U.S. millions as part of her participation prize. But we can’t say stuff like that because, you know, we’re dissing a wounded veteran.

    nk (dbc370)

  113. Drj

    If anyone could thread that needle, you could. Alas, your fellow-travellers don’t travel so well.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  114. ROFLMAOPIP

    Personally, difficult as it may seem, it left me speechless.

    I’m tempted to GOOGLE it.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  115. Does that go for Martha McSally also? She flew A-10s,had some kills and brought them back.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  116. Yes that’s one step too far, nk, an rpg can really ruin your day

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/21/fbi-failed-preserve-anti-trump-texts

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. @ nk: I haven’t looked into Duckworth’s background. I was mostly just tickled by “Cadet [Captain] Bone Spur.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  118. @116. Duckworth volunteered; Trump merely ducked the draft.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. @122. You should.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. nk, you might get push back today from Kimberly Hampton. If she could.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. Dave, I think most consider the wall on the same level as the 3rd item mentioned in a 2000s vintage MasterCard commercial. If it must be paid for without Mexico, I think much of the affected states would give up major transportation capital for a 2 /3 year period.

    Well, we can be sure that $18B is just the downpayment, and that the final price tag will be several times higher, can’t we? If the thing is finished at all.

    Are those of you who are so eager to let Trump get away with telling brazen lies to voters without any political cost really too dense to see that you’re not just encouraging, but demanding, much more of the same?

    If MAGA was Trump’s campaign slogan in 2016, what will it be in 2020 … “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

    Dave (445e97)

  122. 108. DRJ (15874d) — 1/21/2018 @ 12:12 pm

    Yes, it is the case, Sammy. If we had control of our borders, we could welcome more legal immigrants as workers

    No, we wouldn’t, because of the politics of the issue.

    People are either for or aganmst immigration and legality doesn’t affect their position very much.

    Would these workers be temprtary or not? There is really no such thing as temporary workers as opponents would be quick to point out.

    Maybe if it lasts less than a year. And a long Nnd uncertain application process doesn’t work.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  123. R.I.P. John Coleman, broadcaster, one time ABC GMA weatherman, co-founder of The Weather Channel

    ‘Grey skies are going to clear up; put on a happy face…’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. “Democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nm0vQwO5c

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  125. John Coleman spoke out bravely against climate hoax poop-science

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  126. “Today, while shopping at lunchtime for some last minute year end supplies, I got one of the strangest cell-phone calls ever. It was from my friend John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel and Chief meteorologist at KUSI-TV in San Diego. He was calling via cell phone from his car, and he was on his way into the TV station early. He started off by saying, Anthony, we have a really strange situation here. Then, to my surprise, he relayed a conversation he had just had: a person on the Akademik Shokalskiy had reached out, because they didn’t have adequate weather data on-board. At first, I thought John was pulling my leg, but then, as he gave more details, I realized he was serious. ***

    I knew just what to send, because it was something that had been discussed several times by commenters on WUWT. When I got back to the office, I no more than pulled up the bookmark and press send on the email with a brief description of the operational weather data model that covered the region and John Coleman was on the phone again. He asked me to talk to Dave Scott … .

    ***

    John Coleman and Dave Scott put together a video news story which ran on the KUSI 6PM News tonight. … [video link in this WUWT article] ***

    Excerpt from https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/31/wuwt-and-weatherbell-help-kusi-tv-with-a-weather-forecasting-request-from-ice-trapped-ship-in-antarctica-akademik-shokalskiy/

    The Akademik Shokalskiy was the Russian Ice breaker that became stuck in the Antarctic ice pack while ferrying an Australian global warming team to measure the effects of climate change on little studied East Antarctica.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  127. useless p.o.s. Rex Tillerboobs is slopping piggies like crazy at his dysfunctional laughingstock State Department

    The State Department announced a new $600,000 taxpayer-funded study that suggests “ideals of masculinity” in Kenya are contributing to terrorism.

    The department’s Bureau of Counterterrorism is seeking a nonprofit group to “explore gender identities of boys and men in Kenya.” The grant proposal states that men being “tough, heterosexual, aggressive, unemotional, and achieving” can make them vulnerable to joining Islamic extremist groups.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  128. — Why am we have terrorism?
    — Too many Kenyan not gay enough.

    I think it’s fake news. It’s the Free Beacon and it’s entirely unsourced. It wouldn’t be on Rex Tillerson anyway. It would be some Obama holdover Seven Sisters graduate.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. Erik Prince isn’t dumb…hes gonna get his contracts through under different titles until the guard is completely changed over.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  130. Prince is a fmr member of the teams, who got reamed by among other John Edwards law partner, he was chased out of the country and had to relocate in the united Arab emirates, that was kish’s obscure reference.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. Your instinct was right, nk the second part was:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-counterterrorism/trump-to-nominate-nathan-sales-as-counterterrorism-coordinator-white-house-idUSKBN19103M?il=0

    We’ll skip over the fact hes a duke law grad. (Btw which law school, northwestern, depaauw) but a clerk for sentelle wouldn’t go for this.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. Prince is just another Lord of War but without a shred of conscience.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  133. Watching this unfold revealed an aspect of the prion disease that has afflicted the Republican Party ever since Ronald Reagan first fed it the monkeybrains in the 1980s. Right now, the Republicans in Congress are staking their case on particularly unpopular positions. Both the DACA beneficiaries and the CHIP program are enormously popular and, needless to say, so are the members of the military, whom the Republicans have been using as human shields to the point at which Senator Tammy Duckworth, Democrat of Illinois, who lost both legs in Iraq, decided that this was something up with which she would put no longer, and she rolled out the Enola Gay.
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a15835285/schumer-poster-senate/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. Rev.Hoagie asks……. Is “telling a guy in a dress with fake tits he’s really not a female “cold”?”

    Cold? Maybe, but I would add unloving, obnoxious and boorish. You sure seem to enjoy casting stones.

    noel (b4d580)

  135. OK – lay it on us!

    WE, THE PEOPLE!

    Yes?

    WE, THE PEOPLE!

    You said that.

    WE, THE PEOPLE!

    Teleprompter not rolling, Donnie?

    WE, THE PEOPLE!

    Somebody hit him on the side – he’s stuck.

    WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL.

    YOU GO NOW!! FOUR HOUR YOU HERE!!!

    NO ONE PERSON IS ABOVE ANOTHER.

    WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

    WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY (& WORLD) FROM THE EVIL LOSERS WHO WOULD DO US HARM (ALL FOR A BUCK).

    NO MORE.

    STAND UP PATRIOTS.

    STAND UP AND DEFEND WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT.

    GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    So, Donnie – what are tonight’s winning Pick Three lotto numbers?

    4, 10, 20

    Thenk yew.

    Stand by for Donnie – I mean “Q”‘s next important message:

    “Drink more Ovaltine”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  136. How about that he’s a sick creep who should indulge his perversions out of the sight of decent people?

    nk (dbc370)

  137. nk says, “How about that he’s a sick creep who should indulge his perversions out of the sight of decent people?”

    Well nk, if God made everybody as perfect as you, Eden would be restored but who would be left to look down on?

    noel (b4d580)

  138. No, we wouldn’t, because of the politics of the issue.

    People are either for or aganmst immigration and legality doesn’t affect their position very much.

    Would these workers be temprtary or not? There is really no such thing as temporary workers as opponents would be quick to point out.

    Maybe if it lasts less than a year. And a long Nnd uncertain application process doesn’t work.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/21/2018 @ 1:43 pm

    100% incorrect statement Sammy.

    You don’t see the harm illegal aliens do to areas of the country and the backlash that creates against all immigration.

    But you’ll claim otherwise because it doesn’t fit your opinion.

    NJRob (b00189)

  139. I’m with NJRob, Sammy. I deal with immigration and immigrants daily and have no problem wih properly vetted immigrants who come lawfully, for a lawful purpose, who are self-supporting or have a non-government support system in place and who are not criminals, gang members, drug users or sellers and can pass a medical exam both for physical health and mental health. Illegals do none of those things.

    I help dozens of people every year trying to come to America to be Americans. They aren’t coming here to escape a sh!tholes and create a new sh!thole here.

    We’re back to that sh!tholes discussion. Places are sh!tholes because the people living there made them that way. Just like areas of America are too and everyone knows it. And they are the people who come in illegally.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  140. Better insist these LIARS tattoo teh promise on McConnells arse..

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-2018-senate-vote-354966

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  141. hoagie says…. “I deal with immigration and immigrants daily and have no problem wih properly vetted immigrants who come lawfully, for a lawful purpose, who are self-supporting or have a non-government support system in place and who are not criminals, gang members, drug users or sellers and can pass a medical exam both for physical health and mental health. Illegals do none of those things.”

    Illegals do NONE of those things?? Really? Go ahead, read that garbage statement again.

    Ridiculous. Why should we believe a word you say?

    noel (b4d580)

  142. Well nk, if God made everybody as perfect as you, Eden would be restored but who would be left to look down on?

    Shorter people?

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Among the many promises Donald Trump made a year ago to assure people he wouldn’t profit off his presidency, one stood out for its boldness: a pledge to donate the profits from any foreign governments staying in his namesake hotels to the U.S. Treasury.

    Today, after a year in which groups associated with Saudi Arabia, Malaysia and Kuwait have booked rooms, hosted events and spent thousands of dollars at the president’s hotel in Washington, no such payments to the Treasury have been made. Trump officials, who have openly questioned how closely they should scrutinize their guests, initially pledged to make a payment at the end of 2017 and now say they would have “information to share” near the end of next month.
    https://www.apnews.com/23fa1409935948748fe78de3831fd861/Trump-business-ethics-pledges-left-plenty-room-for-profiting

    Next month never arrives..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  144. Three week stay…

    We’ll be back after another promise treachery..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  145. Rev.Hoagie.

    I was under the assumption in your comment above that you agreed with President Trump that Mexico is largely sending gangs, rapists, drug dealers etc. as immigrants to the United States. If you were just referring to the vetting process, that is different. Of course illegal immigrants aren’t vetted for any of those things.

    I do not wish to mischaracterize what you said or meant.

    noel (b4d580)

  146. “Cold? Maybe, but I would add unloving, obnoxious and boorish. You sure seem to enjoy casting stones.”

    Telling the truth is not “casting stones”, and only some people find the truth “unloving, obnoxious and boorish”.

    On the other hand, truth is famous for being cold and hard; there’s even a phrase often uttered as such, and fits this situation.

    TheBas (f00165)

  147. Of course if a short fellow with his hand stuffed in his shirt claims to be Napoleon, there’s probably not much profit in telling him he’s not (unless you’re his shrink, then he’s a boat payment), but if you feel the need to tell him, it’s not casting stones, it’s just the cold, hard truth.

    TheBas (f00165)

  148. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 1/22/2018 @ 9:41 am

    Three week stay…

    We’ll be back after another promise treachery..

    It will porobably play out llike this:

    Dreamer Act ppasses, Trump vetoes, Congress overrides, new cointionuing resolutiuon passes.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  149. @154. Punt, pass and kick the can down the field to after the Super Bowl, of course.

    So many of them have tickets.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  150. 131.John Coleman spoke out bravely against climate hoax poop-science.

    It’s a stone cold fact he has now assumed room temperature, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  151. TheBas also likes mocking gay folks and transgenders. Something tells me you have been doing this for a while. Junior high?

    Accepting this from Trump supporters is a bit hard to take. Or maybe you’ve forgotten he is a philandering, self-described “greedy” man who has no problem cheating folks out of their money at a fake University. All of this is the “truth”, as you would say. Just not the kind of truth you care to acknowledge. But those gay people make easy targets, don’t they?

    So, just keep slinging those stones and hold the Bible high when it suits you.

    noel (b4d580)

  152. poor man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. TheBas also likes mocking gay folks and transgenders. Something tells me you have been doing this for a while. Junior high?

    you shouldn’t mock gay people just trannies

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. Where did I mock anyone?

    Some people really have problems with the truth.

    TheBas (f00165)

  155. 159, at least they’ll show up AND stay for the whole game, that could have got weird with that Khan guy showing up instead of the favored triumvirate from Foxboro.

    Growing up in Chicago in the 1970s and watching Coleman on the ABC Channel 7 here, he looked like he was in his 60s in his 40s but I guess got to a point where he looked his age.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  156. It’s true I drew a parallel between a man putting on a dress and calling himself a woman with a guy putting his hand in his shirt and calling himself Napoleon, but I’m not mocking either one.

    TheBas (f00165)

  157. 147. NJRob (b00189) — 1/22/2018 @ 8:48 am

    don’t see the harm illegal aliens do to areas of the country

    They don’t do any harm.

    If there is any population group that does any harm when they move into a new area it is native born urban blacks who attended public schools.

    and the backlash that creates against all immigration.

    They donb’t create abacklash, and whereever backlash may be created it hapepns whether the immigranst are legal or illegal.

    But the truth is contact with people usually results isn less oipposition. Theory about it can create backlash.

    .

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  158. “They don’t do any harm”

    Oh really? Have you been paying attention to what is happening to California?

    Schools ranked among the worst in the nation, more people on welfare than the rest of the nation combined, huge gang problems, and perpetual Democrat rule, all directly attributable to illegals and their sympathisers.

    On the plus side, there are plenty of awesome Mexican restaurants.

    TheBas (f00165)

  159. you forgot about the hepatitis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. Ridicule is mankind’s most potent weapon.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. 167… Sammeh… when did you start with teh crack? Ain’t you heard, “crack is whack”?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  162. Ridicule is mankind’s most potent weapon.

    What weapon would one need for Trump?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  163. noel is one of those ConDave kind of Republican supporters.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  164. They don’t do any harm.

    Such an odd coincidence that the people who usually say this live in gated communities or exclusive neighborhoods, or don’t have kids in public schools.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  165. Economic benefit/cost comparison along with a study of the societal impact of unfettered illegal immigration is required. But correct the chain migration situation – that’s where the big adverse impact is – secure the borders and enforce laws on the books.

    The look at other reform, if it is even required.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. Then look

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. No sad deluded people, shouldn’t force other people to cooperate with their delusion, Noel, it really comes down to roman 1, although 1 corinthians is inclusive.

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. I mean I’ve had some decent ridicule aimed at Trump but shanked it and scored direct hits on local Humps, but they seem to thrive on being whacked like they were Walkers without apparent effect.

    If you can’t shame the drones how can you ridicule Queen Bee?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  169. Oh, and I almost forgot this gem:

    “If there is any population group that does any harm when they move into a new area it is native born urban blacks”

    Uh, which group of citizens are hit hardest by 12-20 million (depending on who you believe) illegals taking jobs and depressing wages? Not to mention sucking up precious school time and resources on non English speaking families.

    Oh yeah, the ones you say cause the harm, not those who are caused the most harm.

    Jeez, I feel like I’m living in an alternative universe some times.

    TheBas (f00165)

  170. causing the most harm…

    TheBas (f00165)

  171. I think deindustrilization has to be considered the prime factor, but illegal immigrant labor is certainly a wage depressor, this explains the uniparty/clique/ swamp mindset

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. Early in his career, [Joe] Satriani worked as a guitar instructor, with many of his former students achieving fame, such as Steve Vai, Larry LaLonde, Rick Hunolt, Kirk Hammett, Andy Timmons, Charlie Hunter, Kevin Cadogan, and Alex Skolnick; he then went on to have a successful solo music career. He is a 15-time Grammy Award nominee and has sold over 10 million albums, making him the biggest-selling instrumental rock guitarist of all time.”

    I haven’t heard anybody say anything negative about Satch. He is very well respected, and still plays with Vai and others occasionally.

    Some of the people who took Satriani’s classes didn’t achieve fame, but that’s not a reflection upon his class not being certified in the State of New York.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  173. 179. TheBas (f00165) — 1/22/2018 @ 5:19 pm

    Uh, which group of citizens are hit hardest by 12-20 million (depending on who you believe) illegals taking jobs and depressing wages?

    They don’t take jobs (because there is not fixed pool of jobs – that is the “lump of labor” fallacy – and they don’t depress wages except for people with exactly the same skill mix, mainly previous immigrants from the same country, and then the depression is minimal.

    There is no counterexampole in history. And don’t say this “experiment” has never been carried out because you would be saying then no policy mistake has ever been made anywhere. In every other area of economics policy mistakes have been made. Can you point to any disaster?

    Not to mention sucking up precious school time and resources on non English speaking families.

    That’s true, but if they come after age 6, they still cost less to educate than native born children. And of course education costs far more tahn it should.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  174. I just read about Chile’s immigration policy. (I am wondering if Milton Feiedman had anything to do with thsi)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-u-s-slows-immigration-one-latin-american-nation-embraces-it-1516539600

    Haitians and other migrants enter Chile on tourist visas. If they obtain job contracts before their visas expire, they can apply for work permits and, eventually, permanent residence…

    …Gabriela Cabello, the current director of Chile’s immigration office, said the existing policy discourages illegal immigration while creating strong incentives for migrants to find jobs, pay taxes and keep their status regular. Clandestine border crossings by Haitians are almost nonexistent, while crime rates are “extremely low,” she said.

    …Haitian migration here can be traced to 2004, when ties between the countries were strengthened when Chile sent troops to the Caribbean nation to help lead a U.N. peacekeeping mission. At the time, Chile’s economy was booming. After Canada, it has the lowest homicide rate in the Western Hemisphere, the World Bank says. ..

    …Migration quickly increased after the 2010 earthquake and subsequent cholera epidemic, as those who arrived in Chile encouraged their friends and family back home to come..

    Theer';s now abt of a backlash, but more because of specious logic than anything in reality. New haitians are now having more trouble finmding jobs – but that oif course just cuts the flow.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  175. By the way the most succesful migration is chain migration. So why does Trump want to cut it?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  176. Of benefit to US citizens? Prove it.

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  177. Whats teh quesiton. There is a simpole benefot of increasing the size of the economy.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  178. Successful for the extended family members, yes.

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  179. Just because someone is here, doesn’t mean they boost the economy, Sammeh. There are many who are beyond the usual age of employment. Where are the non-partisan cost studies, studies on societal impact that supports your contention?

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  180. By the way the most succesful migration is chain migration. So why does Trump want to cut it?

    It’s not Trump, it was Thomas Jefferson. In 1808.

    nk (dbc370)

  181. A drain on social services and scarce resources. This is the Dimocrats path to power, where their future voters come from.

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  182. Its called the fiscal crisis thesis, coward and liven revised in and added more details.

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. Trump: “I’d like to drain your swamp, Stormy!”
    Stormy: “I’ll mark your ear, daddy.”
    Trump: “one hump or two… would you walk a mile for a Camel?”
    Stormy: “well that depends on what yo’ packin’… regular or King-size.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. R.I.P. Ursula K. Le Guin, science fiction grandmaster

    Icy (1fc769)

  185. Wow, narciso. That Jacobin site is so depressing. Leftists never, ever stop to think how all their failed efforts point to a change of strategy, do they? O guess it’s true that the only difference between a Nazi and a communist is you never hear the Nazi say “next time we’ll do it right”.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  186. @172. What weapon would one need for Trump?

    Cholesterol.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. O guess it’s true that the only difference between a Nazi and a communist is you never hear the Nazi say “next time we’ll do it right”.

    David Duke, and he is a Nazi, thinks they got it right this time by electing Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  188. They don’t take jobs (because there is not fixed pool of jobs – that is the “lump of labor” fallacy – and they don’t depress wages except for people with exactly the same skill mix, mainly previous immigrants from the same country, and then the depression is minimal.

    That’s an opinion based on ignorance, remedied by simply asking anyone in the trades — which i’m sure you haven’t.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  189. Of course, this a problem, across the west, in the UK poles do much of the blue color work in construction, in France its more particular to north Africans in Germany the turks

    narciso (d1f714)


  190. David Duke, and he is a Nazi, thinks they got it right this time by electing Trump.


    That’s quick thinkin’, nk. I guess that proves Trump’s a Nazi or something? But Duke thinks America got it right and so do I. Am I a Nazi, nk? Are the other 60M Americans who voted for Trump Nazis, nk? Or does everything hang on who one Nazi voted for?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  191. A drain on social services and scarce resources. This is the Dimocrats path to power, where their future voters come from.

    Actually the reverse. Chain migration means new immigrants have an in place support system on arrival, immigrants who have no family here basically sink or swim on their own.

    Kishnevi (712fff)

  192. I don’t know, Hoagie. You’re the one who complained the Left was trying to “de-whiten” America.

    What in earth did you mean by that? Given your actual family, you couldn’t have meant that literally. So what did you mean? And how do expect people who don’t know you to react when they see you say that?

    Kishnevi (712fff)

  193. I could have been nastier and asked, “Please tell us how you know what Nazis say, Hoagie”.

    nk (dbc370)

  194. We cannot revisit the premises of the 1965 act because of the ‘wisdom’ of Kennedy and celler, that was the ur text that the expletive was supposed to hide.

    narciso (d1f714)

  195. “One of the Left’s great “humanitarian” bleats involves the “right” to bring one’s extended family to the United States once an “immigrant” arrives here. Normally, the radical Left has no use for traditional, consanguineous families, regarding them as prima facie evidence of racism, sexism, the patriarchy, white supremacy, and just about every other current cultural-Marxist yapping point. Ah, but when it comes to their ultimate goal — the destruction of the U.S. and the West — they’re all for them:

    While President Trump has his eyes on curbing illegal immigration, federal rules are allowing legal immigrants to “sponsor” several more family members from their countries, according to the Department of Homeland Security. On average, legal immigrants have been sponsoring three additional immigrants. And newly arrived Mexicans are sponsoring an additional six family members.
    The statistics analyzed by the Center for Immigration Studies find that sponsorships exceed initial immigration numbers.

    Called “chain migration” because the first immigrant acts as a link to many others legally allowed to follow, the practice is having a huge impact on the U.S. Sponsors are “native-born citizens or naturalized citizens.” Jessica Vaughan, the director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, reported that in the last 10 years half the 10.6 million immigrants allowed into the country were “initiating” and the rest sponsored followers. Over the last 35 years, over 60 percent were sponsored.

    This is how El Norte becomes Mexico, and the West turns into the Third World.”

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/09/30/hidden-effects-chain-migration/

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  196. It’s worse than that, Haiku. It promotes illegal immigration. By having extended relatives eat up the quota, the only option Mexicans without family already here have is to enter illegally. I hope, hope, hope, that Trump gets it down to only the spouse and minor children of the green card (and U.S. citizens of course). If he does, I promise not to say anything bad about him for at least a week.

    nk (dbc370)

  197. Agree, nk… here’s more…

    “Legalizing Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) will have a feel good after-effect, but will also produce many negatives. The government estimates there are 800,000 in the DACA category, but history shows us the government greatly underestimates the numbers of illegal immigrants. It estimated there were 1 million illegal immigrants who would be legalized in 1986, and it turned out to be 2.7 million.
    With just the Dreamers we can speculate there will be around 800,000, but that still doesn’t take into account their relatives. Once “Dreamers” become lawful, permanent residents, they are allowed to sponsor their immediate family members. “NumbersUSA,” an advocacy group that seeks to reduce legal and illegal immigration, estimates this would be around 3 million people….”

    http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/opinion/tn-dpt-me-commentary-sunday-two-20170927-story.html

    Colonel Haiku (27c440)

  198. Anchor babies.

    nk (dbc370)

  199. 210
    Simple fix. When legalizing DACA put in a clause that renders family members of DACs ineligible to be sponsored for legal immigration.

    Kishnevi (712fff)

  200. Not enough in the first place, and just shunting it three to five years down the road when they become naturalized.

    No, this is a good opportunity to horse trade. 700,000 Dreamers in exchange for unknown number of adult, non-spouse, relatives by amending the INA.

    nk (dbc370)


  201. 204.I don’t know, Hoagie. You’re the one who complained the Left was trying to “de-whiten” America.


    Kishnevi, you have a tendency to be over sensitive to anything even close to a statement on race which in any way could be positive for whites or negative for POC. Perhaps being Jewish makes you more sensitive to perceived bigotry than other people although I’ve associated with Jewish people all my life including my step grandfather and first wife and none of them were like that. If I said the left was trying to de-whiten America I spoke my observations of the policies of the left. They encourage poor people from countries which are not white to immigrate to America. At least that’s what I see. Is the argument about Dreamers about Englishmen or Hispanics? Are people being shipped in from Denmark or Africa and the Middle East? If that doesn’t constitute de-whitening what does? Why is it important to racially diversify America which is already a very diverse nation compared to just about any others when it isn’t important to diversify Kenya or Japan or Indonesia? Why America, Europe, Canada, Australia? The only answer is to dilute the white race and Western Culture. Unless you know of another. Since 2005 we have resettled into the US 3,000,000 chain migrants. Why?

    It does not benefit America to nationalize 900,000 poor Hispanics. Nor 2,000,000 impoverished Africans and Moslems. There is no plus side, only negatives unless I’m missing something.


    What in earth did you mean by that? Given your actual family, you couldn’t have meant that literally. So what did you mean? And how do expect people who don’t know you to react when they see you say that?


    Of course I meant it literally because it’s literally true. The racial makeup of my family who are Americans has nothing to do with the importation of millions upon millions of new immigrants. I expect people to react intellectually and not emotionally the way so many have been programed by the left to react. The racists are not the ones pointing out the deliberate racial transformation of predominantly white countries. The real racists are the ones doing it for the nefarious reason of political power. The leaders of these countries are importing millions and millions of new voters guaranteed to keep them in power as long as they provide food, clothing and shelter for them and their extended families. At the expense of the citizens they are brought in to replace of course.

    I talk about race freely because I’m not afraid of being called a racist. I let how I lead my life show whether or not I’m a racist. The only real racist I currently know is my own grandson. He has decided that white people have been oppressing him and “The Jooos” are their leaders. And he “learned” this sh!t at college. Now that’s racism, Kishnevi. Not pointing out the fact that our immigration policy is slowly making whites a minority in their own country.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  202. “A new poll released by Harvard-Harris shows that a staggering percentage of voters on all ends of the political spectrum are overwhelmingly in favor of an immigration deal that would end Chain Migration, eliminate the Visa Lottery, and grant amnesty to DACA recipients.

    According to the poll, 65% of voters would support a DACA deal that secures the Southern border, ends Chain Migration, and eliminates the Visa Lottery. A majority of voters from nearly every demographic group would support the deal, including 68% of Hispanic voters, 64% of African American voters, 64% of Democratic voters, 67% of all independent voters, 63% of liberal voters, and 68% of those who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election cycle.

    The poll also reveals that 60 percent of voters oppose giving preference to parents who illegally brought their children to the U.S. The Durbin-Graham no-strings DACA amnesty offered in the Senate would give amnesty to the parents.

    The poll found that 81% of voters want to reduce legal immigration from its current level of more than 1 million per year, and 63% want it cut by at least half.”

    Details… http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Final_HHP_Jan2018-Refield_RegisteredVoters_XTab.pdf

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  203. This shouldn’t have surprised anyone:
    http://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-discovery-mary-wiseman-lorca-reveal

    narciso (d1f714)


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