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11/21/2017

NEWSWEEK: You Know, Charles Manson Kinda Reminds Us of That Donald Trump Fella

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:30 am

When a mass murderer dies, what is the first thing Big Media does? Of course: figure out how they can write a click-baity headline that ties the news to Donald Trump. And so, we have NEWSWEEK with the following actual not-from-the-Onion headline:

That is . . . that is special, isn’t it?

Please note, the author of the piece hastens to say, that the hook of the piece is not that Trump and Manson are similar. Heavens, no! NEWSWEEK never meant to imply anything like that at all! No, what NEWSWEEK is saying, you understand, is that both Trump and Manson use psychological techniques to appeal to the marginalized in society:

According to psychoanalyst Mark Smaller, past president of the American Psychoanalytic Association, part of Manson’s power lay in the type of language he used. Notably, Manson was able to speak in a way that engaged those who felt marginalized or alienated.

“A charismatic leader knows how to speak to people in a way that will emotionally engage those people,” Smaller told Newsweek.

Smaller is clear that he does not believe President Donald Trump is similar to the convicted killer, or that their followers have any shared beliefs or characteristics, but he did say we can look to the current president to see how language is used to form a bond with followers.

“Our current president speaks in an emotional or affective way to large numbers of people in our country who feel a kind of alienation or disconnection from the government,” he said. “They feel very responded to and become his political base.”

Fact: politicians everywhere use psychological techniques to appeal to the disaffected. You could have said the same thing about Barack Obama. But somehow I feel certain that it never would have occurred to the editors of NEWSWEEK to compare Obama’s rhetorical techniques to those of Charlie Manson. Maybe NEWSMAX might have done that. But not a “respectable” (are they really?) news organization like NEWSWEEK.

WARNING: ABRUPT SHIFT IN TONE THAT DIEHARD TRUMPERS WILL NOT LIKE: Yes, it’s silly to compare Donald Trump to Charlie Manson.

And yet . . .

And yet there is one valid comparison you could make between the followers of Charlie Manson and the most extremely devoted followers of Donald Trump: they would both vote for Charlie Manson over Hillary Clinton.

Some of you are getting mad that I just said that, but some of you are nodding your head and saying: “You bet I would!” In September 2016, I ran a poll, which was admittedly somewhat tongue in cheek, asking people whether they would vote for the worst mass murderer in history (Chairman Mao) or Hillary Clinton, given that binary choice. The small response size (compared to polls I usually run) reflected the poll’s lack of seriousness, but it was still remarkable to me at the time that Chairman Mao won a solid majority of votes, 61% to 39%.

And hey, Charlie Manson was convicted of only nine murders!

And we are in the middle of the Roy Moore scandal right now, and plenty of Moore supporters — from David Horowitz to the governor of Alabama to pastors — are saying that even if the allegations are true, you gotta vote for Moore. Meaning that even if Roy Moore is a child molester, the only moral thing to do is to vote for him.

The argument for Moore is presented as a Flight 93 imperative: they’re killing our babies! They’re taking our guns! And you want to worry about a little thing like character? In the face of that, what are a few allegations of child molestation from 40 years ago?

Or, the case of Charlie Manson, a few convictions of murder from 50 years ago? After all, once you head down that road that says past crimes are irrelevant when it comes to keeping our majorities, where is the logical ending point?

And so, it amuses me to envision Charlie Manson declaring himself to be a Republican and running against Hillary Clinton. Wouldn’t it be fun to hear the political debate that would ensue?

In that vein, I present to you the Top Ten Reasons Manson Followers Would Have Voted for Charlie Manson Instead of Hillary Clinton:

  • 10. True, Manson said he wants a national race war, but if you want to repeal ObamaCare, you gotta break a few eggs.
  • 9. What, you think Hillary never murdered anyone?
  • 8. Let’s keep in mind that the so-called “victims” here were Hollywood degenerates.
  • 7. Justice Tex Watson will vote to repeal Roe v. Wade.
  • 6. I like people who don’t get brutally murdered.
  • 5. Manson could order a pregnant woman to be gutted like a fish on Fifth Avenue and I’d still vote for him over Hillary Clinton.
  • 4. Manson’s “murders” (most of which he didn’t even commit himself) happened 50 years ago. Hillary’s criminality is happening now.
  • 3. I don’t support Manson’s plan to release all convicted murderers in the United States, but it will make more room in prison for the DREAMers.
  • 2. He’s not my favorite, but he’s surrounded himself with some pretty good people.

And the Number One Reason Manson Followers Would Have Voted for Charlie Manson Instead of Hillary Clinton is:

  • 1. Look, the guy with the swastika in his forehead wasn’t my preference. I wanted Ted Cruz. But it’s a binary choice.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

216 Responses to “NEWSWEEK: You Know, Charles Manson Kinda Reminds Us of That Donald Trump Fella”

  1. Politics is the art of controlling your environment

    -Hunter S. Thompson.

    Everyone manipulates with language, some better than others.

    If you could call Trumps Twitterings language it only manipulates and impresses simpletons.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  2. Don;t you think this is a bit low, even for you, Patrick ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  3. True, Dr. K. For once I agree with you. The post would have been much more effective if it had dropped everything from that Abrupt Shift in Tone onwards.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  4. i wonder if Charlie Manson tried to unite his followers based on an abject fear (pants-wetting terror) of bathroom trannies cause that’s what harvardtrash ted tried to do (psychological technique)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Over the line. Injecting Manson or Hitler into any debate except ones over the Weimar republic, WWII, crime or home invasions is outside the line.

    Its the technique of a NYT Op Ed writer: “I’m not comparing Reagan or Trump to Hitler. No one would do that. That’s distasteful, intellectually dishonest and would be emotional incontinence masquerading as thought. And yet…”

    Or a First Amendment trimmer: Or, “I am all for the First Amendment in political speech. It is our foundation of freedom. But..”

    Or to paraphrase the Master, Nixon, “I am not saying that senator McGovern wants little babies incinerated here in America by his defense policies of appeasement. Let me be clear about that. Some say, however, that…”

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  6. @2/@3: It’s his blog and it amuses him.

    But would like to know how much it cost California taxpayers to feed and cage this animal for nearly 50 years. That would be a number worth remembering, then we surely can all agree to dump this piece of trash in a Bin Laden baggie and forget about him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. I know you think this is just tongue in cheek Patterico, but it’s not funny and just legitimizes the delusions of the left that Newsweek posted.

    Sad.

    NJRob (db2255)

  8. Wow! I can’t believe you even wrote this.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  9. Newsweek is going down to a quarter:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/932824259289845760

    narciso (d5a5f2)

  10. Newsweek is going down to a quarter:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/932824259289845760

    narciso (d5a5f2)

  11. One might say the true Agent Carter.

    urbanleftbehind (bca9b7)

  12. @7. “Comedy Is Not Pretty.” – Steve Martin, 1979

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. I am reminded of one time I mentioned to a friend’s Gf that a rival Latino interest fraternity had been prominently featured in a Newsweek article. Here response, in 1999 or so mind you: “Who the F%#& reads Newsweek?”

    urbanleftbehind (bca9b7)

  14. legitimizes the delusions of the left that Newsweek posted.

    Maybe he’s manipulating you toward the shock of your own recognition and out of your own delusions.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  15. The funny thing about this is that there is a prominent American politician to whom a direct line to Charles Manson can be drawn. His name is Barack Obama.

    Obama’s first political campaign was launched in the living room of his close friend Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. For what is Ms. Dohrn best known? She cheered on the Manson murders, considering them “groovy.”

    As Daniel Flynn reminds us:

    The charismatic Bernardine Dohrn, later a friend of Barack and Michelle Obama, feverishly told Weatherman followers: “Dig it: first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach. Wild!”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. Happyfeet, since when is leftists loving death, murder and torture something new? It’s in their DNA.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  17. I hear Obama is from Chicago so he started the fire and sired Michael Jordan.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  18. curious that you say that cause there’s a LOT of evidence that Mr. Manson’s a bona fide popcultural icon on the left

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. Really, REALLY stupid, not to mention insulting and condescending. Patterico clearly was off his meds. This may be the worst, most odious post ever to appear on this blog. Shame on you. Won’t hold my breath for an apology

    Should we say the same bout you and the NeverTrumpers – – that you’d vote for Charlie Manson instead of Trump? For gawdsakes this post is an abomination, and unworthy of you.

    Bill Saracino (ad0096)

  20. Bill misses the edgey point of the post.

    Nosferatu can’t see himself in the Looking Glass…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  21. If it’s only Charlie and Hillary on the ballot, I’m gonna write-in Ann Coulter.

    ropelight (119b8f)

  22. 15 – great point. I remember that about Mrs Bill Ayers.

    It was the left that embraced Charlie, how unsurprising that they now seek to make him right wing.

    And yet!!!

    “Charlie Manson and the most extremely devoted followers of Donald Trump: they would both vote for Charlie Manson over Hillary Clinton.”

    Every week a new shark jump!

    Vote for neither if you feel both are unfit, it’s not rocket science.

    harkin (a9a478)

  23. @15. Mr. Feet, time for you to mix a pitcher of martinis, fire up the bong and put on some vinyl: the ‘White Album.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. Newsweek is totally not saying that, let me call them out.

    But, Let me do what Newsweek just did.

    -Patterico, 2017, the current year

    Dejectedhead (789ca6)

  25. i hate marijuana plus i think it’s bad for your skin besides guess what it’s illegal

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. to be clear #15 is all from powerlineblog (famous lawyers)

    the formatting was just getting tricky so i kept it simple to better serve you, the readership

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. @25. It’s obviously medical MaryJane for you, Mr. Feet. Try the brownies.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. we supposingly have a restaurant coming to chicago where all the food is gonna have marijuana in it

    i bet they clean up a lot of barf

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. @28. Stick to the desserts, Mr. Feet. Again, try the brownies.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. you know what was invented here in chicago? the brownie

    true fact

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. @30. Groovy, Mr. Feet!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyFXZViQ_Y

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. marijuana’s only good for you if you’re sick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Well, heaven forbid anyone use a clickbait headline ….

    SPQR (240837)

  34. Hey host, are you clickbaiting fir a flame war?

    Pretty low blow.

    Steve Malynn (296daf)

  35. Go blow..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  36. Wow! I can’t believe you even wrote this.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 11/21/2017 @ 10:32 am

    He is the man to take it these extra steps, as I opined in Dana’s thread.

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  37. You opined?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  38. The logic behind the comparison is clearly laid out in the post. If you don’t like where the argument takes you? Choose a different argument.

    The post doesn’t apply to people who don’t argue things like “even if Roy Moore is guilty of child molestation so what, because 52 votes for shitty ineffective faux conservatism and not 51!” Or “even if Trump assaulted women and walked in on teenage beauty contestants while naked so what, because Hillary.” But don’t try to pretend that argument has not been expressed in the public square. And I laugh at anyone who puts their hands in their hips and tries to shame ME for criticizing that argument. I’m proud to do so. You can’t shame me for that.

    If someone holds a mirror up to you and you don’t like what you see, it’s natural to blame the guy holding the mirror.

    But it won’t solve the problem.

    Diehard partisan Trumper, heal thyself.

    Patterico (212cb2)

  39. Trump commits: prefers an accused child molester over a Democrat at whirlybird presser. “Roy Moore denies it. And let me tell you, he totally denies it.” – President Donald J. Trump.

    “Well… isn’t that special.” – Church Lady [Dana Carvey] SNL

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. And the truth shall set y’all Free!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  41. Thanks for the hat tip.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Donald Trump is our President and Charlie Manson is a pocultural icon and so is Madonna and Jared Padalecki but not Jennifer Lopez

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. oops *popcultural* icon i mean

    i forgot a letter

    again

    happyfeet (28a91b)


  44. Diehard partisan Trumper, heal thyself.

    I’d rather think diehard partisan Trump hater, heal thyself. Those of us who have not been consumed with eleven months of Trump hate need no healing. To us the election was over last year. Hitler’s dead and now Manson. Who, oh who will the haters compare Trump to next? Torquemada? Jeffery Dahmer?

    This time comrade Ben! I denounce myself. I don’t show enough hate for Trump and his Deplorables as good leftists should. No beet vodka for poor Hoagie today! But that’s okay. I’m waiting for my son and daughter-in-law to arrive and update me on my grandson’s big adventure with black racist groups so there is enough hate in my life right now. Don’t need no Trump hate.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  45. President rexall from give me liberty

    narciso (d5a5f2)

  46. Hoagie:

    Good luck with that. Sincerely.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  47. Some have chosen the wrong team, Hoagie… they’ve made the fateful choice to ride the dismal leftist tide onto the shore to pick-up their corndog.

    Others choose to grow tired of all the winning.

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  48. “And I laugh at anyone who puts their hands in their hips and….”

    Solid gold. Maybe it will make sense in the mirror.

    harkin (a9a478)

  49. Parson Pat has gone Pervywood.

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  50. Patterico/Brooks/2020

    mg (60b0f7)

  51. Thanks, Ben. We tease each other but you have to know how serious this is in my family. We can’t find the kid. He has cut off all communication including bank cards, credit cards and dumped his car and phone. The one call my son got was from a throw away phone. He even dumped his girlfriend and she’s going crazy. A long time friend of mine who is a retired warden of 14 years in the federal system (can’t say where) is coming over to lend an ear and see if there is some way he can help. We are out of ideas here.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  52. Bernardine Dohrn is the star of Days of Rage, about the radical lftist underground of which she and Bill were members. She was the real leader. He was mostly a dilettante.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  53. Diehard partisan Trumper, heal thyself.
    I would make the same argument to you, Patrick, and with a lot more logic. What would Cruz do differently if he was president, and I don’t mean tweets ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  54. Pattericos Trolls…

    Heal thyself!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. Just finished reading through the post and comments. Seriously, Patterico, you equate Charles Manson with Mao? Mao is one of the great men of history. Manson is something that should have been shoveled into a ditch on the side of the road.

    nk (dbc370)

  56. Hoagie:

    This too shall pass.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  57. Like fanya Kaplan (she was the one that shot Lenin, although he didn’t succumb right Way, also Charlotte corday, Nora Astorga and the real Tanya who was a east German radical.

    narciso (d5a5f2)

  58. There is one valid comparison between Trump and Manson. They’re both very small potatoes — Manson as a mass murderer and Trump as President.

    nk (dbc370)

  59. Trump is not quite as scary as Charlie Manson but after showing support for Roy Moore today, it makes you wonder how much lower he can go? Historians will be writing about this guy for a long time.

    When a political party decides that they must win at any cost, don’t be surprised if the cost is very, very high. Rough road ahead.

    noel (b4d580)

  60. I’m sensing that Patterico is still somewhere short of Acceptance on the Grief checklist.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  61. Whereas Kevin is still in denial.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  62. If Hillary had been elected everything she proposed would be celebrated by the media and the GOP in Congress would go along so that people would like them. With Trump, he can’t suggest a place for lunch without it being practically genocide, and the GOP Congress seems unwilling to pass anything he proposes.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  63. Whereas Kevin is still in denial.

    How so? I fully accept that Trump is President. I am not angry about it, I don’t deny it, I’m not negotiating and I’m over my depression.

    What I DO feel is that he makes a lousy president, but not so lousy as Hillary would have been.

    It’s the Democrats who are stuck between anger and denial, e.g. Maxine Waters. And some others, sadly enough.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  64. What would Cruz do differently if he was president, and I don’t mean tweets ?

    Mike K (b3dd19) — 11/21/2017 @ 2:05 pm

    Cruz would:
    1. Stand up to the ethanol crowd, as he already did in the Iowa primary.
    2. Try to simplify taxes for everyone.
    3. Implement legally defensible immigration reform, as opposed to Trump’s legal debacle.
    4. Refine surveillance laws to balance terror and privacy concerns.
    5. Understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and why they are important.
    6. Make a serious effort to repeal ObamaCare.
    7. He a conservative, not just imitate one.

    DRJ (15874d)

  65. The anger I still feel is at a system and two parties that gave us a choice between two incompetent assh0les. That the better incompetent assh0le won does not mean the choice was a good one.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  66. So the revolution was successful because the lowest common denominator dominated by a bare thread? And he continues to enjoy his 1/3 minority with aplomb?

    I digress…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  67. DRJ–

    My list:

    Cruz would:
    1. Think on his feet.
    2. Make his opposition look small and petty.
    3. Not miss a single opening the Democrats gave him.
    4. Be competent in word and deed.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  68. You can thank the Tea Party.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  69. To be more specific, Manson and Trump both used the English language to gain followers. Come to think of it, so did Hillary.

    AZ Bob (f60c80)

  70. I voted for Trump and this doesn’t offend me, because I know I haven’t justified Trump’s actions for reasons like the ones Patterico listed. Maybe these reasons hit a little too close to home for some people. Or maybe it’s a case of “If you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger.”

    Whatever the reason, we’ve seen outrage in the comments on every issue and from everyone for two years now. It used to make me upset and than it made me sad to see people feel that way, but it doesn’t bother me now. You don’t like a comparison? Rebut it or live with it, because I don’t care if you are outraged. I learned it from Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. Donald Trump is our President and Charlie Manson is a pocultural icon and so is Madonna and Jared Padalecki but not Jennifer Lopez
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/21/2017 @ 1:11 pm

    What’s Jensen Ackles…um…chopped…liver?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  72. he’s kinda less than iconic yes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. And Manson used the Beatles, while Trump used teh Stones.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  74. You realize that when you put up such a ridiculous poll, some people will just pull your chain.

    bud (b48f3e)

  75. 5 Ways President Trump is EVEN BETTER than Charlie Manson

    1. MELANIA – this is who Mr. Trump is married to and she’s adorable and sweet!

    2. Great Sense of Humor! Lighten up, Charlie! Here’s one area where President Trump has you beat hands down, sad to say.

    3. DEREGULATION HELL YEAH! President Trump’s unshackling the economy and letting freedom RING! Charlie Manson on the other hand is inert and lifeless.

    4. Awesome Judges! These are people what say whether or not the law is gonna be applied in failmerica, and President Trump’s judges are sticklers for following the law. Charlie Manson? Lol he kills people! (convicted for murder)

    5. That smile.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. Speaking of teh Stones, that reminds me of my 8th grade teacher Mr Greer, who returned after Spring vacation with tales of being on the same commercial flight as these Rolling Stones, how they smelled like they hadn’t bathed in weeks and how unruly they’d behaved.

    That just gave them more cred in our book.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  77. You know you’ve lost the argument when …

    You think the discussion is comparing Trump and Manson, as opposed to comparing their followers as the post clearly did.

    DRJ (15874d)

  78. pls to see #2 above

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. I sure know who reminds me of Susan Atkins.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  80. Heh. Charming as ever, Haiku.

    DRJ (15874d)

  81. You know how they used to settle arguments at Spahn Ranch? That’s right, an acid-fueled fustercluck.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  82. You are an “attack the messenger” person, aren’t you?

    DRJ (15874d)

  83. Leave the whip and spiked heels at home.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  84. Whereas Kevin is still in denial.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 2:45 pm

    And you in the belial stage.

    kishvevi; Sammy

    Sort of interesting looking through the potential etymology

    Worthless, yokeless, may have no rising or never to rise.

    Or it’s just made up. They had a 6,000 year head start on us after all.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  85. No, I just like a little levity, as opposed to thin-lipped grimocitizing.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  86. Would you admit that some Democrats use the kind of arguments Patterico made to justify their support for questionable Democratic leaders?

    If so, then do you also acknowledge that some Republicans have done the same?

    DRJ (15874d)

  87. Hey… whose on trial here!?!? Judge, this attorney is honey badgering teh witness!

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  88. 1. Look, the guy with the swastika in his forehead wasn’t my preference. I wanted Ted Cruz. But it’s a binary choice.

    I thought there was a reason I wrote in “Zombie Adolf Hitler”.

    Bill H (383c5d)

  89. DRJ, you make my point with vague platitudes.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  90. Yes.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  91. he’s kinda less than iconic yes
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/21/2017 @ 3:12 pm

    Jared Padalecki is friends with Stephen Amell and even curates one of his wines

    Nocking Point Wines

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  92. Fair enough, Haiku. Tell me when you plan to start the funny stuff. Is “thin-lipped grimocitizing” supposed to be funny?

    Mike K, I’m glad you claim you won because I’m tired of this, too. The outrage debate never ends with Trump and his dedicated supporters. Let me know when you want to talk specifics.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. You think the discussion is comparing Trump and Manson, as opposed to comparing their followers as the post clearly did.
    DRJ (15874d) — 11/21/2017 @ 3:24 pm

    I think it’s safe to say most Trump supporters are not in prison.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  94. Trump is not quite as scary as Charlie Manson but after showing support for Roy Moore today, it makes you wonder how much lower he can go? Historians will be writing about this guy for a long time.

    Interesting to see TDS presented as intelligence,

    Moore is not my cup of tea but to accept this WaPoo hit job timed to elect the Democrat is not to demonstrate superior wisdom. Why do you suppose Gloria Allred, epitome of California trial lawyers, is backing away from her forgery ?

    She now says “her client did not see Moore sign the yearbook.”

    Needless to say, the yearbook will not be surrendered to valid forensic exam.

    OJ trial, anyone. ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  95. Manson supporters don’t wear hats. Or ties. or American Flag pins.

    The bald may be found among both but with Manson followers it was usually self-inflicted.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  96. Your tickets will be waiting at the box office window, DRJ.

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  97. ” Let me know when you want to talk specifics.”

    OK. How about this ?

    and This ?

    The White House’s Office of Management and Budget detailed Thursday how it would jettison hundreds of existing or planned regulations as part of its larger push to ease federal restrictions on the private sector, upending federal policies on labor, the environment and public health.

    The list, issued as part of a semiannual report on the entire government’s regulatory agenda, shows the extent to which this administration is determined to erase many of the Obama administration’s policy priorities. In several instances, the administration is dropping rules aimed at tightening worker safety standards or omitting species the government had pledged to protect…

    And This ?

    “As the Trump Administration transitions into the new fiscal year and next phase of Executive Order 13,771, it can reasonably claim net regulatory savings of roughly $560 million under the EO’s first phase. There have been some new regulatory costs, but activity on that front remains at a historically low level,” said American Action’s Dan Goldbeck.

    CEI Vice President Clyde Wayne Crews added, “It took a few years for Ronald Reagan to achieve his ultimate, one-third reduction in Federal Register pages following Jimmy Carter’s then-record Federal Register. So by this metric, Trump is moving much faster.”

    I could go on but I doubt you are willing to admit these facts.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  98. DRJ @65, Kevin M 268:

    How about simply acting and speaking a little more Presidential?

    Bill H (383c5d)

  99. You know how they used to settle arguments at Spahn Ranch? That’s right, an acid-fueled fustercluck.
    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 11/21/2017 @ 3:35 pm

    If you know about COD or XBOX Live you know all about Spahn-Campers.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  100. yes yes wine curation is awesome but he probably knows how to put together a mean cheese plate too cause he’s jared effing padalecki, popcultural icon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. to accept this WaPoo hit job timed to elect the Democrat is not to demonstrate superior wisdom

    i agree with this sentiment i really do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  102. I do not, PandP. I’ve found that little games are for little boys… i’ve found that there are other joys… Margaret, Josephine, Susie and Catherine for starters…

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  103. Hat tip, Keith Relf…

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  104. Now there’s a guitar riff for ya… teh Yardbirds “Little Games”

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  105. 52 – Mike K

    Not many people remember that Day Of Rage was the original name for what became the Occupy Trespassing, Trash & Crime extravaganzas. One more example of how the left embraces destructive ideologies.

    harkin (a9a478)

  106. The team that came up with Folger’s: Good to the Last Drop.

    All Trump supporters. Every man jack of them.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  107. I do not, PandP. I’ve found that little games are for little boys… i’ve found that there are other joys… Margaret, Josephine, Susie and Catherine for starters…
    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 11/21/2017 @ 4:14 pm

    Spawn Camping

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  108. Meh bad link sorry.

    Pinandpuller (dd846b)

  109. There is something of gbostic cast to supernatural :

    dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/unsealed-fusion-gps-bank-records-show-russia-related-payments

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. Some perspective on Trump’s approval rate, according to a Zogby poll:

    It puts Angela Merkel at a marginal 40% approval, 49% disapproval, Macron at a troubling 28% approval and 52% disapproval, and May at a truly disturbing 28% approval and a whopping 61% disapproval. And now, even Canada’s boy wonder Justin Trudeau at 37.9% approval. That is a precipitous decline from last year, when he rode a wave of personal popularity to a stunning defeat of Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party, and a nationwide sweep from the Maritime Provinces to British Columbia.

    Donald Trump’s approval rating in today’s Rasmussen Poll stands at 43%…hardly impressive, but respectable, particularly considering the quandary in which many of his counterparts find themselves.

    Even considering this:

    …what is so baffling to many of his own supporters is that Trump seems woefully ignorant of the reality that we live in an information age where any 12 year old with a smartphone can fact check anything that he says in a matter of seconds.

    https://panampost.com/david-unsworth/2017/11/21/media-trump-popular-world-leaders/

    Kevin M (752a26)

  111. And we can check the fact check, frank miller in his anarchic youth. This is around the time he wrote the dark knight and give me liberty, had a very dark postmodern sensibility.

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. A thinly disguised president Reagan has sent superman to corto Maltese a stand in for either Grenada or nivaragua

    Ahttps://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2017/11/20/pinera-danger-unified-left-chile/0

    narciso (d1f714)

  113. i approve of you whole-heartedly President Trump (100%)

    you’re my sun and my moon and i don’t even like Charles Manson even a little (too murdery)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. 114… Neveragua… I like the sound of that!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. You see how useless automistake is, caracas under Tommy boy mafuro is a carbon copy if managua back in the o0s

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. Al out Al l of the figures who are in slightly worse situation then trump, have consumed the crow of their prog sensibilities o put may in the same basket because she has squandered the opportunity brexit gave her.

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. DRJ, you, me and Haiku- are likely old enough to remember when this bloody mess began. Fifty years of Manson seems enough. Really hope once the carcass is cremated and dumped in a landfill we never hear talk of him again. But then some shrouded ‘squeaky-medium’ will pop up and say Charlie is communicating w/her from Hell and says he’s planted next to some rotting banana peels, some fully loaded Pampers and OJ’s long lost knife.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. Now that last one was funny.

    Allen (33101f)

  119. I guess he was the precursor of the slays Donald defreeze, which chavevsky parodied as the ecumenical liberation front, the great ahmet khan, with another character lorraine Hobbs as an Angela Davis manqud.

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. You need a like button.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  121. One question: will Dennis Wilson be seeing Charlie again, or has he gotten a pass for having the Wrecking Crew do his drumming for him on Beach Boy recordings?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. That dead horse you’re beating? Yeah, it’s dead.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  123. I’d like to thank the dude who wrote songs and made Deplorables fall in love with me

    Who put the race in the wa wa wa wa war?

    Who put the stab in the staba laba stab stab?

    Who put the da in the da da dog whistle?

    Who put the dip in the dip di dip dipsh*t?

    Who was that dude?

    I like his attitude

    He made my voters go and vote for me

    When those voters heard bomb ba bomb ba bomb ba bomb ba bomb

    Shrapnel went right into their ears

    And when I heard them singing Ram a lam a lam Ram a lam a Ramstein

    I knew no force would make us part

    So who put the tweet in the re re re retweet?

    Who put the Huck in the Hu Hu Huckabee?

    Who put the Spa in the Spa Spa Spa Spahn Ranch?

    Who put the drain in the Swa Swa Swa Swa Swamp?

    Who is that chump?

    A guy I’d fist bump

    Who made the Truckers fall in love with me?

    Every night that I’m alone Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter

    Sets my detractor’s feeds aglow

    And every time you dance to re re re re re, re re re retweets

    You really let your hatred show

    So who put the dick in the di di di di dick?

    Who put the stab in the stab alaba stab stab?

    Who put the crock in the cro cro crock of sh*t?

    Who is the chimp with the gi gi gi gi gimp?

    Does anybody know?

    I’d probably let him go

    He made Trump Voters fall in love with me

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  124. @125. Charlie horse, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. I could go on but I doubt you are willing to admit these facts.

    Mike K (b3dd19) — 11/21/2017 @ 3:55 pm

    I am happy to give Trump credit for rolling back some, perhaps many, of Obama’s regulatory actions. I think most if not all of the Republicans running for President would have done that, too. Nevertheless, Trump deserves credit for what he has done.

    The problem to me is that Trump is not doing it very well. He has taken 10 months to identify and undo several regulatory burdens that other candidates like Cruz and Rubiowere talking about on the campaign trail and even before. I think they would have done a better job getting things done more quickly.

    But even if they didn’t act more quickly, other candidates certainly know it is important to do more than roll back regulations. It is also important to pass legislation so the next President can’t undo everything in one day (as Trump promised to do but did not). Why do you think ObamaCare is such a problem? It’s because it was passed as legislation and Trump can’t undo it. Unfortunately, Trump has proven he is unable to work with a GOP Congress to pass legislation.

    DRJ (0280d9)

  126. I think it’s safe to say most Trump supporters are not in prison.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

    The comparison in the post is that “they would both vote for Charlie Manson over Hillary Clinton.” Binary choice, PaP.

    DRJ (0280d9)

  127. Mike K,

    You accuse me of “vague platitudes” even though I linked Cruz’s specific campaign statements on various issues. Meanwhile, you link op-eds like Conrad Black saying:

    [Trump] has more than doubled the economic growth rate, reduced illegal immigration by about 80 per cent, withdrawn from the insane Paris Climate accord, helped add trillions to U.S. stock market values, created nearly two million new jobs, led the rout of ISIL, and gained full Chinese adherence to the unacceptability of North Korean nuclear military capability. He will probably pass the greatest tax cuts and reforms since Reagan, if not Lyndon Johnson, by Christmas, and may throw out the most unpopular feature of Obamacare, the coercive mandate, with it.

    So Trump has doubled the economic growth rate and added trillions to the U.S. stock market? Who knew American Presidents could do those things? We don’t need workers, we have Trump.

    As for the rest, the jury is still out of ObamaCare, ISIL, North Korea, and tax reform. But I will give Trump full credit for using the bully pulpit on immigration. Trump has always been willing to talk the talk on that subject and I like that about him. I also want a wall.

    DRJ (0280d9)

  128. I would have voted Charlie Manson most likely to be shanked in prison, and I would have been wrong…or at least inaccurate…and for some reason that sounds a little like Mitch Hedberg but not as funny…but it sounds funnier if you say it in Mitch Hedberg’s voice…

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  129. So Trump has doubled the economic growth rate and added trillions to the U.S. stock market? Who knew American Presidents could do those things? We don’t need workers, we have Trump.

    Mike K doesn’t trust society to accomplish things without the help of a leader in the central government. This is what passes for “conservatism” these days.

    Patterico (212cb2)

  130. Conrad is a bit exuberant, he was targeted. Y the beta version of Mueller, pat Fitzgerald, who made justice into a macabre joke. Tube minefield (a more ptopriate metaphor than the swamp) is a very tough terrain.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. Some Whitman is resigning from ebay, is thostelude to another quixotic run for pffi e.?

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. If I look down at a ballot and see Charles Manson’s and Donald Trump’s names I’m thinking this is a lucid dream…I need to go touch some doors…be right back…

    This reminds me of Curb Your Enthusiasm: Namaste

    If you could only choose Heating or Air Conditioning and the one you didn’t choose went to a concentration camp, what would you do?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  133. Really, REALLY stupid, not to mention insulting and condescending. Patterico clearly was off his meds. This may be the worst, most odious post ever to appear on this blog. Shame on you. Won’t hold my breath for an apology

    Good, because you’re not getting one, Bill Saracino. In fact, this is my favorite post of mine in ages.

    Should we say the same bout you and the NeverTrumpers – – that you’d vote for Charlie Manson instead of Trump? For gawdsakes this post is an abomination, and unworthy of you.

    I have never used the term “NeverTrump” to define myself, but in any event your question shows you have never understood my position. It has not been that I would vote for anyone but Trump. It is that people who are unworthy of my vote do not get my vote. If you had understood that, you never would have asked such a silly question.

    Patterico (212cb2)

  134. Sebastian pinsra was one of pinochets civilian economic advisers who was credited with crafting the free marketolicies of his regime, until he lost out to the
    Rotectuionist after the 82 receession

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. Binary choice, PaP.
    DRJ (0280d9) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:20 pm

    Try Nary Choice

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  136. Policies and reductionists, also of note jog ballad has a novel hello America, set in 2014, where Jerry brown and Charles Manson figure in 2114.

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. This is who i was referring to earlier:
    http://spartacus-educational.com/RUSkaplan.htm

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. It would be better for those who want a debate on character to spend some time in DC. The political world is full of people who you should protect your animals from, to say nothing of your children. This is just as true of the GOP side of things as the Democratic one.

    In other words, the current accusations against Moore are mild. How about we discuss Hastert? That is a rare case of things getting somewhat out of control of the party line, but at least most here know about it.

    We need to get over our idol worship, whether it be Cruz, Rubio, or Trump. No decent person would ever want to become president. It’s also quite possible that we don’t deserve a decent president, as we probably wouldn’t vote one if we could.

    Donaldo (95053d)

  139. I’ll tell you what Trump may have done. Because he is such a nothing-burger. All sizzle and no steak; gloss and glitter on an over-inflated balloon; no substance, just perception. He has caused other nothing-burger trivia, such as the accusations against Moore and Franken and half of the rest, to seem important. Because that’s all people have learned to look for. “Ooh, shiny!” “Eew! Not shiny!”

    And that’s why he’s so touchy and defensive on Twitter, like the ridiculousness with LaVar Ball. He cannot allow his gloss to be scratched; his balloon to be pricked. Because then people will see that there’s nothing underneath.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. In other words, the current accusations against Moore are mild. How about we discuss Hastert?

    Or Teddy Kennedy. As much as Hastert was a perv, no one died.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  141. Well, couldn’t it be posited that Obama and Manson wanted to create a race war?

    Concerned Peoples Front (657247)

  142. Well there is that tiny details Left out of the picture,

    narciso (d1f714)

  143. Sorry, unimpressed. Sometimes you have to make a choice among two bad choices, the proverbial lesser of two evils. In the last election, one could make a plausible argument that Trump was the lesser evil compared to Hillary Clinton. That does not equate him with Charles Manson — a boorish, buffoonish narcissist is not the same thing as a psychotic mass murderer.

    (As I have stated, I voted for neither, since I live in a blue state.)

    Bored Lawyer (fe5e63)

  144. One of our esteemed host’s reasons was:

    Manson could order a pregnant woman to be gutted like a fish on Fifth Avenue and I’d still vote for him over Hillary Clinton.

    Yeah, I can accept that one. After all, Hillary Clinton supports having a million babies a year ripped out and killed, and, throw in ‘doctors’ like Kermit Gosnell, and you even have a few of the pregnant women being gutted like fish.

    Another:

    Look, the guy with the swastika in his forehead wasn’t my preference. I wanted Ted Cruz. But it’s a binary choice.

    Well, I didn’t take the binary choice, having voted for Gary Johnson — a deliberate protest vote — but the outcome certainly was binary, and I’m not sure that a good case can be made that Mrs Clinton would have been a better President than Mr Manson. Many voters, including our esteemed host, complained bitterly about the ‘establishment’ choices, and Mr Manson would certainly have been a vote against the establishment!

    The very blunt Dana (08b297)

  145. Yes its very cowardly to have accused her like that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Our esteemed host wrote:

    The post doesn’t apply to people who don’t argue things like “even if Roy Moore is guilty of child molestation so what, because 52 votes for shitty ineffective faux conservatism and not 51!” Or “even if Trump assaulted women and walked in on teenage beauty contestants while naked so what, because Hillary.” But don’t try to pretend that argument has not been expressed in the public square. And I laugh at anyone who puts their hands in their hips and tries to shame ME for criticizing that argument. I’m proud to do so. You can’t shame me for that.

    No, I can’t shame you for that, but I can argue it with you. I posted an article on my own poor site entitled I am a hypocrite, because yes, I would rather see a man who may or may not have tried to f(ornicate) an underaged girl 38 years ago in the Senate over a Democrat who will try to f(ornicate) the whole country right now.

    Yes, I believe that the allegations against Roy Moore are probably true. As a Catholic, I can hope that he has sincerely repented of his sins, and been forgiven for them. And I know that, if he wins, his votes in the Senate will not be as bad for our country as the ones Mr Jones would cast.

    Faux conservatism? I agree with you that the tax bill which has so raised your ire is a bad one, though for different reasons. But all that I have to do is note that we have Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court, and not a liberal appointee, and I know (as much as can be known about the future) that conservatism has been better served by having the lovely Mrs Clinton remain a private citizen. I remain hopeful that Justices Kennedy and Ginsburg find it necessary to retire during President Trump’s term, hopefully very soon in his term.

    The Dana who admits his motivations (08b297)

  147. Our honored host wrote:

    Mike K doesn’t trust society to accomplish things without the help of a leader in the central government. This is what passes for “conservatism” these days.

    However, we do need a leader in the central government who will get out of the way of private accomplishment. ‘Tis regrettable that we cannot re-elect Calvin Coolidge.

    The economist Dana (08b297)

  148. “The small response size (compared to polls I usually run) reflected the poll’s lack of seriousness,”

    Should have stopped right there but the TDS was too powerful….

    harkin (10a18c)

  149. Trump Derangement Syndrome is what Trump suffers from. (Like Lou Gehrig and Lou Gehrig’s Disease.) Characterized by supreme ignorance enabled by supreme arrogance, and primarily manifested in supreme bombast.

    nk (dbc370)

  150. What Trump has accomplished…

    I’m the inexplicable presence in the room, a specimen of something that shouldn’t be. How in the world can an educated person—a teacher, for goodness’ sake—back such a stupid, bigoted, alpha-male blowhard? That’s the question that won’t go away. My mother will talk about his macho manner. My sister will recount the latest fumbles by his Cabinet. My nephew and his wife will fret over what he’ll do to science. Everything runs smoothly until I say, “Didn’t you love Trump’s speech in Warsaw? Isn’t it great to have a leader willing to praise Western civilization?”

    That does it. The communal spell is broken. I’ve ruined Thanksgiving. Forget the Warsaw speech—it’s the bare fact of dissent that counts. My mother will wrinkle her brow and mutter, “Oh, gawd.” The millennials at the table will go blank (Western civilization was dropped as a school subject before they were born). My sister shall return to Trump pulling back on environmental regulation, which she regards as abominable.

    I imagine similar scenes at holiday tables all across America. According to a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll released earlier this month, nearly a third of American adults will try to avoid political topics during the holidays this year. My family is just one window into understanding why. Any career woman, especially a single one, who entered the workforce in 1970 is never, ever going to look at Donald Trump as anything but a sexist bully. She remembers too many ill-mannered bosses and co-workers, condescending males who, when they didn’t hit on her, dismissed or exploited her. My mother made a go of it and put up with a lot. Those humiliations don’t fade.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  151. Trump’s first visit to Soviet Moscow in 1987 looks, with hindsight, to be part of a pattern. The dossier by the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele asserts that the Kremlin had been cultivating Trump for “at least five years” before his stunning victory in the 2016 US presidential election. This would take us back to around 2011 or 2012.

    In fact, the Soviet Union was interested in him too, three decades earlier. The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB’s operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  152. The Gospel according to Trump

    Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

    52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

    53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  153. Bill Maher is my next pick for a lib to be accused of sexually attacking someone, followed by Paul Begala and Rachel Maddow.

    mg (60b0f7)


  154. Characterized by supreme ignorance enabled by supreme arrogance, and primarily manifested in supreme bombast.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/22/2017 @ 6:46 am

    nk, you have perfectly described all the leftist whiners across the fruited plain who for a solid year have been rioting, marching in vagina costumes and pussy hats, burning cars, shouting to the sky, tearing down statues, taking a knee for the anthem and all the other sundry symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome so common among leftists, communists, Nazis and their associates. BTW, a major part of TDS is projection which is what you are trying to do to Trump.

    You can continue to follow the swineherd and the same guys that created a sexual predator payoff slush fund with our tax money or you can help MAGA.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IcsKtu9CHEs/WgUY3CPPx5I/AAAAAAABQ-c/NbUtx2s7rf4pq3ms4AhIPztMivv6Ym3sgCLcBGAs/s1600/1%2B1%2B1%2B1381633_366925273476373_4163138347424515124_n.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  155. In 2014, 11 percent of Americans indicated that Obama was most likely to spur an argument. In 2017, that figure was 37 percent for Trump.

    The expectation that Trump would be the subject most likely to hijack Thanksgiving transcended party lines: We asked respondents if they considered themselves Republicans, Democrats or independents, and regardless of party affiliation, the most common answer in each group was still Trump.3 Just over half of self-identified Democrats — 169 out of 319 respondents — said talking about Trump was most likely to start an argument, compared to 34 percent of independents and 20 percent of Republicans.

    What’s most interesting to me is precisely what happened to the “other” category this year. People who chose “other” were asked to write in a more specific reason for their Thanksgiving arguments, and we sorted those responses into three broad categories: one, respondents who did not offer any detail or said they don’t argue (I’m calling that “not applicable”); two, people who wrote in a political issue or politician; and three, people who listed something apolitical, maybe a family member or the turkey or the Washington Football Team or a personal grievance or any of the myriad other things people don’t agree on outside of the political realm.

    Turns out we don’t have as many non-political differences as we used to.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  156. “Be fair or I’ll kill you.”

    Sanders began her part of the briefing by saying that she was thankful for all the reporters in the room. “That goes without saying,” she added, in a tone that made it clear that the White House press secretary really does not like the White House press corps. There was slight, uncomfortable laughter in the room. Then Sanders listed the people and things for which she was actually grateful: her family, her faith, the military, the police, the firemen, and the first responders.
    Unpleasant as her opening comment might have sounded, it’s all right for the press secretary to have an adversarial relationship with reporters; it is certainly better than a cozy relationship. But coziness seemed to be what Sanders was trying to elicit next. “If you want to ask a question, I think it’s only fair, since I’ve shared what I’m thankful for, that you start off with what you’re thankful for,” she said.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  157. How bout that Bob Brady from Pennsylvania paying off his opponent? Democrats have no ethics.

    mg (60b0f7)

  158. Ben! @ 156. I don’t know who you are quoting there but if the person still has hang-ups about being “hit on” back in the 70’s she’s got deeper problems than Trump. Much deeper. However, the author let slop the real problem: the Alpha Male. The ladies aren’t used to real men any more. Just wait till the next war. Pajama Boy to the rescue.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  159. Hoagie: the point is Thanksgiving has taken a hit. Who do we have to thank?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  160. A real man knows how to keep his woman from slandering him in public.
    #BarefootAndPregnant

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Stop with the rape, lefties! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4od4QQVK1o

    Colonel Haiku (fe83d4)

  162. EphesiAns 5:20, it really is striking how far we have strayed from it.

    narciso (520a77)

  163. Also how to keep other men from poaching on his territory.
    #PutThemInBurkhas

    nk (dbc370)

  164. Hoagie, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours (and to our esteemed host, his supporters, admirers, and commenters including the sick and twisted ones).

    My presence here has been spotty lately so forgive me for asking about your health: how are you?

    ropelight (500027)

  165. I miss the fire and conviction Breitbart brought. Now we have to wade thru the limp dick TDS crap all day, every day.

    Colonel Haiku (fe83d4)

  166. Bored Lawyer,

    Patterico has repeatedly said he is not criticizing people who voted for Trump as the best available choice (or least worst choice, depending on your view). His point is the lengths people will go to support Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  167. I am glad Trump has Twitter to distract him. It’s far better for him to send out angry tweets at 5 AM than to ask for the nuclear football.

    DRJ (15874d)

  168. Leftwing skeezerism taken to its inevitable conclusion… http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/21/arrest-co-worker-bodily-fluids/

    Colonel Haiku (fe83d4)

  169. Hoagie, word of the day. Merganser.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  170. Viaduck, vinotachicken?

    Colonel Haiku (fe83d4)

  171. Great comment, nk 142.

    DRJ (15874d)

  172. 174 – DRJ
    Indeed.
    H-T.G.

    mg (60b0f7)

  173. Thank you, DRJ.

    nk (dbc370)

  174. 143

    mg (60b0f7)

  175. Andrew Breitbart would have been consumed and spat up by the “monsters” he created not unlike Ralphie/a.k.a Glenn Beck.

    And if you cant appreciate this dap (today’s most recent), then I cant help you or your people.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  176. Millenials,are being nudged into thinking in the latest castle wolfenstein that Reagan could have been a Nazi collabotator.

    narciso (520a77)

  177. Really, really, really? Congress debating whether the President Of The United States can be trusted with The Button? A general needing to testify that he won’t let him push him The Button? Yeah, you really have a guy to be proud of in the White House, Trumpkins.

    nk (dbc370)

  178. They say Bannon believes Trump will be removed from office via the 25th Amendment. It sounds like Bannon believes this will happen because of establishment resistance to Trump, but Bannon knows Trump. What if Bannon is really saying that he knows Trump, and thus knows Trump will be removed because he doesn’t have the intelligence or temperament to be President?

    DRJ (15874d)

  179. 174 — the defense is getting tiring.

    Patrick repeatedly attacks people who voted for Trump, not just people who defend his actions as President.

    And that’s a key distinction. There are very very few people here who defend Trump on a personal basis, or on a historical basis, but many defend actions and statements he has taken/made as President on the basis that the attacks on him are mischaracterizations, unfair, and outright false.

    Patrick is guilty of making many such attacks.

    He and I have gotten sideways because I take on his attacks and point out factual inaccuracies. He got to the point where he was unable to respond, defended himself using weasel words and caveats he buries in his posts, and ultimately just began waiving off my challenges when he knew he was wrong. Now I’m on ignore.

    I don’t defendant Trump — I challenge the attacks on Trump when they are unfair. Like taking apart that Baku Tower hit piece and PATRICK’s CLAIM that Trump failed to sanction an Iranian company on the basis that it was a Revolutionary Guards front because it was a company he did business with. That was a false charge.

    To Patrick that’s the same thing.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  180. That tells us something about Corker’s judgment but it also tells us something about Trump, if he compares unfavorably to the mullahs.

    DRJ (15874d)

  181. Exactly, DRJ. Where is his leadership? His ability to instill trust beyond the 13.6 million who voted for him in the primary? Even these people, if they saw a guy on the street who behaved like Trump does, they’d cross to the other side or put their hand on their gun.

    nk (dbc370)

  182. You have put Patrick on ignore, swc.

    DRJ (15874d)

  183. It’s understandable for people to quit listening to each other but it’s unfortunate. Trump mischaracterizes other arguments to polarize the debate, and now that is happening in debates about him and his actions.

    DRJ (15874d)

  184. In the past, swc, you would have argued forcefully for your position but you never would have described Patrick as being an ignorant, cowardly weasel. You would have tried to understand his position.

    DRJ (15874d)

  185. I don’t have him on ignore. He has me on ignore. He quit responding to my challenges to his misstatements of facts and mischaracterizations. The Baku Tower and Revolutionary Guard nonsense was a great example of him adding 2+2 and coming up with 22.

    I haven’t even tried to take apart this post because its so ridiculous and over the top. I’ll spend my time elsewhere.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  186. Well yeah, politics is vulgar, not very noble at all. I compare the Trump Dilemma with another dilemma I know well: staunch Catholics who are staunch Democrats even though they push unlimited abortion and restrictions on faith.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  187. 192… those are Chicago Rules, nk. More level-headedness to be found elsewhere.

    Colonel Haiku (fe83d4)

  188. 25th amendment has a 3% chance but impeachment has a 60% chance if we stop letting the minority tail wag the dog.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  189. You’re right about that, shipwreckedcrew. Patterico is yanking our chain with this post. Equating Manson to Mao, for crying out loud!

    BTW, how many of you remember the name of the Vegas shooter right off the top of your heads?

    nk (dbc370)

  190. I don’t
    know if you want to ignore me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  191. New thread to change your mood.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  192. TDS is a mental disorder, most commonly associated with the immature refusal to acknowledge that no matter how strongly political preferences were assumed to be immutable and widely shared that when elections conclusively prove otherwise the disillusioned losers react in shock and anger and seek to blame the farsighted unafflicted, who were right all along.

    ropelight (500027)

  193. That’s exactly what Obama supporters said in 2008, ropelight. “Immutable truths” have a way of changing every 4-8 years.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  194. As do the “mental disorders” you diagnosed.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  195. Support mental health or I’ll kill you is a cry for help.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  196. While the authors here go on and one over stories that are purely click-bait, very real developments on Uranium One go completely unaddressed.

    Last week confirmed Dem Waterboy Michael Isikoff wrote for Yahoo News a story claiming that the FBI informant had credibility issues, and that’s why the charges against the Russian energy official were scaled back and he was allowed to plead to relatively minor charges in 2015 compared to the massive corruption and bribery scheme that was discovered by the FBI through his undercover work.

    Then AG Sessions testifies in the House, and DAG Rosenstein communicates to the Senate in writing, that the criminal case involving the Russian energy official happened 3-4 years after the CIFUS approval of the Uranium One sale, so the two episodes really had nothing to do with one another.

    Another report by Reuters says “some people” who were involved with the investigation say the informant never mentioned the Uranium One sale during the entire investigation, so it wasn’t something that he could have provided help with. And besides, the Uranium One purchase was undertaken by a different subsidiary of the Russian Gov’t owned Rosatom, not the subsidiary that was involved in the bribery and corruption scandal the informant was working on with the FBI.

    That’s all crap, as author Sara Carter shows by going through 5000 pages of FBI records she was provided concerning the Informant’s work with the FBI. Turns out he was working with the FBI as early as 2006, and he was specifically placed by the FBI into a location where he would have a chance to get close to the Russian official, and inside the network that was engaging in the corruption. He had provided evidence of corruption on the part of the Russian nuclear official during 2009, and the vote by CIFUS to approve the Uranium One sale came in 2010.
    News of the sale came as a complete surprise to Uranium One corporate officials — the sale was negotiated at the Board level — and came at a price of a $1 premium above the $2 share price at the time. The suspicious corporate officers told a third party that they were going to sell their shares and resign immediately thereafter.

    And remember the claims by the Dems that no uranium could leave the country — something I even bought into at first — the documents show that a significant amount of yellowcake uranium was approved for shipment to Canada by a third party shipper who obtained the yellowcake from Uranium One, and that yellowcake was then exported to Europe and Asia by the third party.

    But lets keep talking about what Roy Moore might or might not have done 40 years ago, and whether or not Trump and Manson had similar skills they used to attract and keep followers.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  197. Is this post, thread and comment what bothers ypu, swc, or is there more?

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  198. We can talk about whether Trump and Obama used similar techniques to attract followers. I think they do.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  199. 209 — that was part of it. And his update to the post which read:

    UPDATE: Commenters point out that I should have been more careful to note in the post that, according to Davidson, the Trump Organization did business, not directly with a company run by the IRGC, but with a corrupt money-laundering partner of a company run by the IRGC. I don’t think this renders Trump’s decision not to sanction Azarpassillo any less suspect. The mileage of Trump partisans may vary and probably does.

    A few problems with this “update” — in his comment you you link he admits he didn’t really look into any of the details behind the story.

    But the KEY detail he overlooked was the basis upon which companies are sanctioned on the basis they are part of the IRG — its not just that fact, but because the company in question did something to help facilitate either the nuclear or ballistic missile program. That was true of all 3 companies sanctioned — which was the basis for the post relying on the biased author’s story — but there was nothing suggesting that the company not sanctioned was involved in either prohibited activity.

    The published story had ZERO facts supporting the claim that the IRG company at issue was laundering money. And as he did point out, there are literally hundreds, or maybe thousands of companies in Iran and throughout the Middle East that are likely IRG fronts.

    But that didn’t stop Patrick from criticizing Trump for not sanctioning the particular company identified in the story he bit on hook, line, and sinker. The central point of his post is that Trump chose to not sanction Azarpassillo because they did business with Trump Inc.

    It wasn’t true they did business with Trump Inc.
    It wasn’t true that because they did business with Trump Inc., was the reason he didn’t sanction them.

    Other than that….

    And its not the only thing. Its just the most recent in a long string of half-truths and mischaracterizations when it comes to anything that has even the sweet scent of a nectar of Anti-Trump.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  200. 210 — that’s absolutely true. But its what all out-of-power parties and politicians do. They appeal to those in the electorate who feel their are overlooked or ignored by the party in power.

    Obama did it in 2008 — that’s why he swamped Hillary when he was the one-term elected Senator from Illinois who had no political or professional resume to speak of. He was a complete cipher. The Dems and young people just coming into the electorate could project onto him anything they wanted him to be. He could be all things to all people, and he topped off that fact with a tremendous image and oratory style.

    But 8 years in office showed him to be your run-of-the-mill liberal pol, and the groups that he marginalized and ignored — in both parties — moved to Trump.

    Trump ran as the GOP candidate, but he’s not a member of the GOP. He has no defined political core — he goes issue by issue. He’s conservative when it suits him, and liberal when it suits him. Generally what suits him is what he thinks makes him more popular and resonates with his core — which hold no hard political ideology.

    I’m a conservative. I voted for Ted Cruz, for many of the same reasons Patrick did. He was the smartest guy in the race. He was not the best politician in the race. He lost.

    I chose to not get sanctimonious about my remaining choices. But once Trump was elected, I recognized that the establishment wings of both parties, as well as the mainstream media, would actively work to drive him from office because he’s a threat to undo each party’s decades long alignment of interest groups, and give rise to a true third party nationalist movement.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  201. as I noted before, that shipping company, trans logistic, has a track record of very shoddy handling,
    so we don’t quite know who that heu ended up with, William Campbell oddly echoes race Jordan, he was an air force officer who blew the whistle on the shipment of nuclear material, to Russia, during the world war period, which allowed them to speed up their development of the bomb,

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. @203: This just in from NASA:

    Don’t know what planet that dude’s on but the image is of a fully spacesuited w/PLSS Jack Schmitt reflected in Gene Cernan’s helmet visor during EVA 3 at Station 6, Taurus-Littrow Valley landing site, Moon, December, 1972.

    https://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-141-21608HR.jpg

    Apollo Hasselblad Magazine AS17-141/L

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  203. 199. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/22/2017 @ 9:22 am

    25th amendment has a 3% chance but impeachment has a 60% chance if we stop letting the minority tail wag the dog.

    I really don’t think that’s going to happen, even if my Congressman becomes Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, as hes been angling to do. (even earlier he had been trying to remove Conyers as Raking member)

    They’ve got to have a reason, and probably also the votes.

    http://www.newsweek.com/democrats-not-ready-impeach-trump-though-he-has-done-really-terrible-things-672210

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, said “we’re not there yet” on impeachment, though, he quickly added that the president has done “really terrible things.”

    Nadler is concerned that pursuing impeachment after “every terrible thing” the president could hamper efforts to successfully do it later. Some Democrats fear the motion would look like an overreach from the minority party and undermine the justification for possible efforts in the future.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  204. Thanks for posting the news about Uranium One , or whatever it is:

    208. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/22/2017 @ 11:12 am

    Last week confirmed Dem Waterboy Michael Isikoff wrote for Yahoo News a story claiming that the FBI informant had credibility issues, and that’s why the charges against the Russian energy official were scaled back and he was allowed to plead to relatively minor charges in 2015 compared to the massive corruption and bribery scheme that was discovered by the FBI through his undercover work.

    This bottom line here is: no corruption not with the Clinton and not with the FBI. An examaination of he actual story could give a clue as to what is likely. That actually could be the cover-up. Indict on some other mater, and close the investigation.

    Then AG Sessions testifies in the House, and DAG Rosenstein communicates to the Senate in writing, that the criminal case involving the Russian energy official happened 3-4 years after the CIFUS approval of the Uranium One sale, so the two episodes really had nothing to do with one another.

    So what pleaded guilty to was something else entirely. Taht doesn’t mean that he wasn’t alleging other matter.

    Another report by Reuters says “some people” who were involved with the investigation say the informant never mentioned the Uranium One sale during the entire investigation, so it wasn’t something that he could have provided help with. And besides, the Uranium One purchase was undertaken by a different subsidiary of the Russian Gov’t owned Rosatom, not the subsidiary that was involved in the bribery and corruption scandal the informant was working on with the FBI.

    That’s all crap, as author Sara Carter shows by going through 5000 pages of FBI records she was provided concerning the Informant’s work with the FBI. Turns out he was working with the FBI as early as 2006, and he was specifically placed by the FBI into a location where he would have a chance to get close to the Russian official, and inside the network that was engaging in the corruption. He had provided evidence of corruption on the part of the Russian nuclear official during 2009, and the vote by CIFUS to approve the Uranium One sale came in 2010.

    But not corruption involving the Uranium One sale approval. What you’re saying is that he could have found out something about that.

    News of the sale came as a complete surprise to Uranium One corporate officials — the sale was negotiated at the Board level — and came at a price of a $1 premium above the $2 share price at the time. The suspicious corporate officers told a third party that they were going to sell their shares and resign immediately thereafter.

    So the first thing is: they overpaid for Uranium One.

    And remember the claims by the Dems that no uranium could leave the country — something I even bought into at first — the documents show that a significant amount of yellowcake uranium was approved for shipment to Canada by a third party shipper who obtained the yellowcake from Uranium One, and that yellowcake was then exported to Europe and Asia by the third party.

    Second yellowcake could leave the country. The argument would be then ownership of Uranium One doesn’t matter. since this could have happened under the old owners. Or could it?.

    But lets keep talking about what Roy Moore might or might not have done 40 years ago, and whether or not Trump and Manson had similar skills they used to attract and keep followers.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

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