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11/18/2017

Apple’s First VP Of Diversity And Inclusion Steps Down

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:33 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Last May, Denise Young Smith was named vice president of diversity and inclusion at Apple. She has been described as Silicon Valley’s most powerful black woman. At the end of this year, however, Young Smith will be leaving Apple, a company that prides itself on a focus to hire more women and minorities. She will be replaced by Christie Smith, who is white. Young Smith’s decision to leave the company appears to have made prior to making what some see as controversial comments she made about diversity. Others, however, see them as not only reasonable comments about diversity, but ones that speak to a broad inclusiveness in the workplace.

During a talk at last month’s One Young World Summit in Bogotá, Young Smith addressed a consistently rebuffed component in the house of diversity:

“I focus on everyone,” Ms. Smith, who has 20 years of experience in the company, said during the Oct. 4-7 conference. “Diversity is the human experience. I get a little bit frustrated when diversity or the term diversity is tagged to the people of color or the women or the LGBT or whatever because that means they’re carrying that around … because that means that we are carrying that around on our foreheads. […] There can be 12 white blue-eyed blond men in a room and they are going to be diverse too because they’re going to bring a different life experience and life perspective to the conversation.”

The issue, Young Smith explains, “is representation and mix.” She is keen to work to bring all voices into the room that “can contribute to the outcome of any situation.”

Young Smith later apologized for her remarks, emailing staff saying that her remarks “were not representative of how I think about diversity or how Apple sees it. For that, I’m sorry. More importantly, I want to assure you Apple’s view and our dedication to diversity has not changed.”

One wonders if that was enough to satisfy attorney Kiara Imani Williams, who took Young Smith to task for her “public display of ignorance,” or perhaps more accurately, her inclusive thinking. Apparently, Williams believes that, by default, being a white male prevents one from participating in any real kind of collaborative process, awareness or inclusion. Other than their blue eyes, they’ve really got nothing much to offer:

Mrs. Smith’s comment displays a very superficial and quite frankly, problematic, view of diversity. It’s a no-brainer that every living human being has a different perspective, viewpoint, and set of life experiences. In fact, nature vs. nurture studies have proven that even identical twins often have different frameworks for relating to the world around them. But workplace diversity is not about the “diversity of fingerprints”, it’s about representation, awareness, collaboration and inclusion.

Williams even takes Apple to task for its creations, including emojis:

Apple’s “diverse representation” game is laughable. Let’s start with emojis. Apple’s emoji game is not, and has never been, on fleek. A few years ago, Apple finally responded to complaints about all white emojis. Instead of creating actual emojis of color, Apple simply allows its users to make white emojis into a different color. Darkening the skin color of a white emoji doesn’t make the emoji black. I don’t know many black people who were born with silky straight black hair… but what do I know, maybe white men with blue eyes are better equipped to speak on black hair.

Those offended by Young Smith’s remarks because they believed her to be defending white men in a workplace already saturated by their presence, including at Apple, only further confirms that which many of us already believe: diversity of thought is not welcome in today’s construct of inclusion. Unless those white men are gay like Apple CEO Tim Cook, then all bets are off. What constitutes diversity and inclusion is determined by a preset narrow-minded bias that, no matter how unique an individual might be, and no matter how different their world view is, if they are the wrong gender or skin color, they’re not welcome at the table.

Anyway, as Tech Crunch notes:

At the leadership level, Apple is still predominantly run by men, who make up 71 percent of the leaders at the company worldwide. White people, meanwhile make up 66 percent of the leaders at Apple in the U.S. Meanwhile, only 3 percent of Apple’s leaders in the U.S. are are black, so Young Smith’s departure won’t do anything to help the amount of black representation at the top.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

197 Responses to “Apple’s First VP Of Diversity And Inclusion Steps Down”

  1. Will this madness never end!

    Dana (023079)

  2. when you give monies to uber-progressive applefag tim cook’s company you’re not giving money to goose-stepping ass-maggot Sundar Pichai’s company

    that is all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Well, you see, it depends on whether someone wants what diversity is a code word for, or actual diversity. Denise Young Smith started to pretend “diversity” was about real diversity, but she got shot down.

    “Diversity” is about racial discrimination. But for legal reasons, doubletalk is the order of the day.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  4. “Diversity” is just another public relations/marketing gimmick to a multinational corporation like Apple, for markets like the United States where people with money to throw away who buy Apple products take such nonsense seriously.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Fleek To sh*t on ones education and pull sh*t out of their a$$ and call them words.
    My definition is on fleek.
    #dipsh*t #dumb*ss #stupid #ignorant #false

    Fleek!

    Pinandpuller (5c4b99)

  6. Nk,

    While I agree that diversity is a little more than a PR marketing gimmick, let’s be clear that it’s not just private entities like Apple that fall for it. Everything from local public schools to city government and beyond have diversity officers and work to make sure all employees are on board. But of course you know that.

    Dana (023079)

  7. Well, the Navy is committed to a perverse form of pan-Asian diversity.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  8. Well, there’s a Fourteenth Amendment component to racial, religious and sex discrimination when it is committed by government entities. Although in the relatively recent Michigan and Texas university cases the Supreme Court has recognized diversity as a legitimate rationale, there is some limit to how far they can take it.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. SJWs have gravitated toward jobs in human resources in every major corporation. There’s a decided leftward tilt.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. Whos up for GOV in Minny next year? Might be Bachmann’s time if they took the maple syrup maoist’s advice.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  11. More dangerous is “disparate impact” in conjunction with “job-related” which forces minimum standards on employers, government and private, instead of allowing them to prefer excellence.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Well, the Navy is committed
    urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/18/2017 @ 7:05 pm

    So if five sailors from that ship get into a big mess will they be called the USS Benfold Five?

    Pinandpuller (5c4b99)

  13. I love when they talk diversity and equality. They are usually mutually exclusive. But my main complain is when the hell did diversity become a supposed benefit and good for our country and culture? More importantly, why did it? Our motto is out of many, one not the reverse. We need unity, not diversity. Diversity benefits leftists and our enemies. Sorry, I’m redundant. We are turning red states blue with diversity for crap sake.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  14. Well consider curbelo is not fit fir the Hispanic caucus or Allen west for the cbc what does that tell you

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. And the huntress and bachman are just unpeople in their eyes

    https://faustasblog.com/2017/11/curbelos-not-hispanic-enough-says-chcaucus/

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. So, do you put your money in a branch of the National Bank of Lagos? Recruit cops from the Mexico City Police Academy. Take your urgent care needs to a place staffed by grads of the Addis Abbaba Institiute of Veterinary and Medical Science?
    No? hen FOAD

    Richard Aubrey (415087)

  17. LT. Col. West was allowed in the CBC. He, unlike Tim Scott, fellow ’10 waver, actually sought to join. He defended Pigford and was a Zimmerman skeptic as well

    urbanleftbehind (2fd493)

  18. Perhaps ultimately but he wee sold out by the top men in my state.

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Two questions for Ms Williams
    1)The emojis on Google Chrome are all yellow hairless circles. What make you of that?
    2) Do you realize you make me feel sympathetic to Richard Spencer?

    kishnevi (480bf9)

  20. Possibly, but his experience with credentialism u Chicago and duke, make him oblivious to the uni ersalism of western thought.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Show of hands:
    How many people here would prefer to be
    a) a person of color
    b) a woman
    c) gay
    d) all of the above
    so you would have a better chance of getting a job and/or promotions at Apple?

    How you say “Take your job and your company and stick them where the sun don’t shine” in your country?

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Surprising exactly no one.

    White men and conservatives need not apply.

    NJRob (b00189)

  23. Nk,

    in our twisted world I can just say I identify as all 3 and who would dare deny me as long as I preach leftist politics?

    NJRob (b00189)

  24. Good point.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. Can I comment as FinnWolf, blue eyed-king of Nordica?

    Because I identify.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  26. Also Icelandic chicks are hot.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  27. Why, it’s almost like the vikings stole all the hot chicks and put them in one place.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  28. Like, I dunno, Iceland.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  29. Where’s my brownmeter so I can determine by skin tone who is the terrorist.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  30. My current project is a Frankenmeter to test Congressional compatibility but it still has a few kinks.

    Let me get back to you.

    Pinandpuller (739169)

  31. I’d cut my appendages off if Ihad to work for that white queer Cook.

    mg (60b0f7)

  32. it’s really the whole company what’s sleazy not just creepy timmah

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. 30, yeah but even a Steve57 patented device will have imperfections given the pasty faces from old ‘SSRs, the punjabi/siks/bengals slanning the Cleveland Browns color palette, and the algerians who could come in as a minor league baseball team

    urbanleftbehind (2fd493)

  34. Timmys a War Eagle and he gives a spit (donations, Apple this and that) about team and school, considering he could be too stuckup, look down and disavow Auburn, that’s cool in my book.

    urbanleftbehind (2fd493)

  35. “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell.

    She had a minute of revolution. Too bad they made her toe the party line.

    Bored Lawyer (fe5e63)

  36. She is part of the problem.

    https://youtu.be/3d5YOdS1yqM

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  37. Sorry, I’m redundant.

    You’re not sorry about being wrong-headed?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  38. silent majority?

    Did you mean the Squeaky Wheel Tea Baggers?

    Hardly silent. Loud and obnoxious minority..

    Ben burn (03656a)

  39. Despite repeated denials, it is now clear that the Trump campaign had extensive and prolonged contact with Russians, and that senior officials — including Corey Lewandowski and recently indicted Paul Manafort, two of the campaign’s three managers, as well as Trump’s son and son-in-law — were aware of it.

    https://shareblue.com/russians-were-all-over-the-trump-campaign-disturbing-report-details-new-contacts/

    Ben burn (03656a)

  40. You’re not sorry about being wrong-headed?

    You’re up early this morning, comrade. No beet vodka last night?

    What does your question even mean? Wrong-headed?????

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  41. Currently, the AfD is lacking a charismatic Führer. Nonetheless, the unchallenged AfD boss and king-maker remains Alexander Gauland. His key parliamentarians are Frank Magnitz (the demagogue), Leif-Erik Holm (the friendly face), Corinna Miazga (the threat to traditional conservatism), Detlev Spangenberg (ex-Stasi), Andreas Bleck (the ruthless careerist), Jens Kestner (the militaristic soldier), Kay Gottschalk (finance), Marc Jongen (the ideologue), Tino Chrupalla (exPegida, AfD’s street-fighters), and Wilhelm von Gottberg (Holocaust denier). Their parliamentarian task is to frame outright Nazi populism as the voice of what AfD ideology calls ‘concerned citizens’.
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11/17/the-populism-of-germanys-new-nazis/

    Ben burn (03656a)

  42. Wrongheaded…lol

    wrong- in-head.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  43. B-but she didn’t know why she was so successful..

    https://thinkprogress.org/ivankas-real-estate-deals-corruption-33f65f778d0f/

    Ben burn (03656a)

  44. [If we] become the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, we are toast,” Flake is overheard saying to Mesa, Arizona, Mayor John Giles.

    You are the Party of Trump and that’s enough..

    Ben burn (03656a)

  45. Engels 17 minutes on Trump Panama is worth the time..

    http://www.msnbc.com/onassignment

    Ben burn (03656a)

  46. Well since the twice-baked Burnie bot is spamming this thread with leftist twaddle, let’s add a real thought experiment.
    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2017/11/18/do-conservatives-and-liberals-have-enough-in-common-to-keep-a-country-together-anymore-n2411206

    NJRob (0e30f6)

  47. Whining because the Trump-flipper is supported ?

    What a bunch of crybabies. If this is your idea of dialogue the answer is NO! Nutjob.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  48. Is it pure coincidence that these freakish abusers and molesters of young women are so often leftwingers?

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. 51.Whining because the Trump-flipper is supported ?

    What a bunch of crybabies. If this is your idea of dialogue the answer is NO! Nutjob.

    You got a lot of hostility there, Ben!. I would venture to say if you believe flipping off somebody is “dialogue” the word does not mean what you think it does.

    NJRob, conservatives and liberals have plenty in common. Unfortunately there aren’t many liberals left and them that are are in the Republican Party. The Democrats have gone full tilt socialist/communist and that’s left, not liberal. Democrats today have more in common with the German Workers Party or the Bolsheviks than a run-of-the-mill American liberal. Don’t agree? Then name one policy the Democrats are for that the communists are not for. One.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  50. It would seem that repressed, sexually frustrated types who must hide their lascivious nature from the prudes they associate with are the biggest offenders. Guess which side?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  51. 53.Let’s do a perv count…

    Don’t be disingenuous, Ben!. If you want a “perv count” then count them all not just the federal list but the state and local along with the corporate and Hollywood. Although I don’t see the point unless you’re trying to show us you can locate perverts on the net.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  52. 55.It would seem that repressed, sexually frustrated types who must hide their lascivious nature from the prudes they associate with are the biggest offenders. Guess which side?

    My guess would be there are more pervs on the left. Why on earth would you think that people who strive for happy, normal relationships in a family and faith based setting in their lives are “repressed, sexually frustrated types”? Do you always ridicule people trying to do good or only those with whom you disagree politically. If a leftist commie were a good family man (it can happen) would you make light of him too? Are you a perv, Ben!? You sure seem to know a lot about gays and pervs.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  53. Rev, I had nothing to do with it.

    https://www.infibeam.com/Books/info/kit-lavell/flying-black-ponies-navy-s-close-air-support/9781591144687.html

    Flying Black Ponies: The Navy’s Close Air Support Squadron in Vietnam (Paperback)

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  54. Hoagie..stop guessing.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  55. The federal list is a good sample but I understand your reluctance to count your team members.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  56. Altuough if I had something to do with it, the next Navy close air support squadron would be the Flying Black Ponies. Muslim immigrants be d*(ed.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  57. NJRob, conservatives and liberals have plenty in common. Unfortunately there aren’t many liberals left and them that are are in the Republican Party. The Democrats have gone full tilt socialist/communist and that’s left, not liberal. Democrats today have more in common with the German Workers Party or the Bolsheviks than a run-of-the-mill American liberal. Don’t agree? Then name one policy the Democrats are for that the communists are not for. One.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 11/19/2017 @ 7:44 am

    You are correct Rev, but the left has spent so much time corrupting the language to make words meaningless. It’s who they are. No different than the scorpion.

    NJRob (b00189)

  58. Pervywood and the misogynistic rapper community crap 💩

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=147

    Because I am entorely fi; pf shoot.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  60. Is silent majority one of those meaningless expressions nutjob?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  61. beenburned clings to his VastRightWingConspiracy…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. Teh Reassessment of Bill Clinton continues…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. The Jettisoning of teh Clintons continues apace…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. 65.Is silent majority one of those meaningless expressions nutjob?

    At that particular time in American political history the term had value. Not so much today. Like The Big Stick it’s time has passed. Only communism it seems has a consistent history of murder and failure yet keeps returning like an STD canker on Clintons pecker.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  65. Speaking of vast right wing conpiracies, how’s the FIAT? Last I knew they were kicking my type out of the country as gli Africani. The next thing you know we’re homies.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  66. What FIAT?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  67. She’s-ah fine-ah… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1974_FiatX1.9.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. I’ll be selling a Spanish Puerto Seguro sword in the near future. I take it you won’t be a buyer.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  69. Freud Marx and Darwin, the man of predictions advance team, that made lust envy and savagery a requirement for admission to society.

    narciso (9df86a)

  70. If one looks at the polls even in Alabama it wouldn’t seem so, but then you see the ridiculous measure they have used.

    narciso (9df86a)

  71. Perdition, from thessalonians.

    narciso (9df86a)

  72. What measure have they used narciso?

    NJRob (b00189)

  73. A,Poll where Obama is more popular than trump in Alabama it was at the beginning of the gillebrand thread.

    narciso (9df86a)

  74. A sword? No suh.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. Yeah it’s what I got. An angel sword, like the lion. Simba malaika. Yous for only $250.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  76. 71, Sicilian? And if I kept my mouth shut in Bensonhurst I was all good, at least until the Puebla invasion of Sunset Park.

    urbanleftbehind (e6dd3d)

  77. Mo Dowd today:

    It is also interesting to speculate: If Hillary were in the Oval, would some women have failed to summon the courage to tell their Weinstein horror stories because the producer was also a power behind the Clinton throne? As Janice Min, the former editor of The Hollywood Reporter, told me, when Barack Obama stepped off a stage and into Weinstein’s arms for a big hug after giving a $400,000 speech as an ex-president in the spring, it sent a signal that the ogre was in a protected magic circle.”

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/opinion/sunday/the-hillary-effect.html?referer=http://drudgereport.com/

    harkin (a9a478)

  78. If cocker-spaniels could recite poetry Maureen Dowd?

    Such speculations distract from the Winner who is not getting the credit he deserves. That is all…carry on.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  79. I am so, so sorry you have a low opinion of Cocker Spaniels. Maybe it’s because of the time I spent with Setters. You can see the spaniel in them.

    Your average spaniel is a h5iiif a lot better than a democrat.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  80. Such speculations distract from the Winner who is not getting the credit he deserves. That is all…carry on.

    Beg to differ, comrade. Hillary Clinton is to women and Hussein Obama is to civil rights what Weinstein is to potted plants. Mic drop!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  81. Your average spaniel is a h5iiif a lot better than a democrat.

    A feral, three legged, black tongued Chow Chow is better than todays Democrats. And much better mannered and less sexually perverse.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  82. Gotcha narciso.

    Makes sense. GIGO.

    NJRob (b00189)

  83. Yeah when someone calls Trumpets animals I feel it’s an insult to animals.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  84. Lol. I really enjoy watching your reading comprehension skills at work Hoagie.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  85. Conservatism is the theoretical voice of this animus against the agency of the subordinate classes. It provides the most consistent and profound argument as to why the lower orders should not be allowed to exercise their independent will, why they should not be allowed to govern themselves or the polity. Submission is their first duty, and agency the prerogative of the elite. Though it is often claimed that the left stands for equality while the right stands for freedom, this notion misstates the actual disagreement between right and left. Historically, the conservative has favored liberty for the higher orders and constraint for the lower orders. What the conservative sees and dislikes in equality, in other words, is not a threat to freedom but its extension. For in that extension, he sees a loss of his own freedom. “We are all agreed as to our own liberty,” declared Samuel Johnson. “But we are not agreed as to the liberty of others: for in proportion as we take, others must lose. I believe we hardly wish that the mob should have liberty to govern us.”

    http://crookedtimber.org/2017/11/15/the-reactionary-mind-2nd-edition-meet-the-new-boss/

    Hoagie: You are excused from this…

    Ben burn (03656a)

  86. Steve57

    You’re our pan-Asian expert here, what do you think of this term (I think) I just coined?

    Dog Shui: the arranging of furniture in such a way as to allow your pets to look out your windows.

    What’s the mandarin for dog?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  87. I know, I should have used Dogpile.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  88. What’s the mandarin for dog?
    Pinandpuller

    Quon-chee. It also translates to “dinner” in English.

    I saw this and thought of Ben!

    https://youtu.be/adPXDTvADD0

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  89. Ben! @93. You can even find a hate filled leftist to psychoanalyze what he thinks a conservative is and you believe him. Talk about cognitive dissonance. You be woke.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  90. If you overcook dog it’s quon-chee for sure. Or am I thinking quis-pi?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  91. Tell it to yo mama… https://youtu.be/18TqUm1KPoE

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. robin, snorfle, so who instituted the mackinnon starchamber at all work venues, yet some animals are more equal then others,

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. Guys, I saw Ben Burn’s domicile featured in a movie last night. It was called The Lair of the White Worm.

    All I need to say is 20 something Catherine Oxenburg (Oxenberg Larry Tribe?).

    And for the ladies Hugh Grant and full blown Scotsman Peter Capaldi and the guy with the funny eyes. Not Rumpole. Not Marty Feldman. The other other guy.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  94. I saw … The Lair of the White Worm.

    My commiserations. Couldn’t find “Plan Nine From Outer Space”, eh?

    nk (dbc370)

  95. I still don’t know how to use “fleek” in a sentence really. Maybe if I get crunk.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  96. Can you hurry up with the brownometer I keep mixing up Russell Simmons and Russell Peters?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  97. @102 nk

    Based on a Bram Stoker story. Some of the effects are hilarious. Paul Brooke is the other other funny eye guy. Kilt wielding Peter Capaldi kills him with bagpipes.

    Amanda Donahoe toplessness will probably make or break the movie for you.

    One of the best parts is when AD Roy Moore’s a literal Boy Scout. She was driving a sweet Jaguar so I can’t say whether he was able to escape had he wished it.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  98. Perhaps Stratford John, Brooke is a conventionally stout brit.

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. Ah the movie channel,

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424368

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. Rev Hoagie

    I just found out what THOT means. It’s easy to use in a sentence.

    I’m willing to take a PAWG survey of Apple.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  101. Paul Brooke has a glass eye. He was in The Phantom of the Opera and Bridget Jones Diary. But you might remember him from Black Adder the First. An evil friar. I sound like Troy McClure.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  102. The Wes craven project (which he subsequently disowned) had an interesting origin story to dracula, ultimately he was judas iscariot, hence the repulsion to silver.

    narciso (d1f714)

  103. Besides the fact that Phil Hardman is dread, why wouldnt you be.

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. that’s very clever, about the silver

    not very sciencey but still quite clever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. I submitted Dog Shui to the Urban Dictionary but I won’t know if it’s on fleek for a minute.

    UD is probably one rung above poetry contests.

    Dawg Shui is the proper placement of your attorney in respect to you and the police detectives.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  106. James Woods…my *****!

    Please, please, please tell me you’ve seen The Goods!!! It was required viewing when I worked at a car dealership.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  107. That is interesting narciso.

    Silver is antimicrobial which is why some fools OD on colloidal silver. There was also as belief that it counteracted poison.

    There was a guy who tried to cheat the hangman by putting a silver pipe in his throat. It worked the first time IIRC.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  108. nk

    I had some real problems with John Wick 2. Mainly it was boring.

    I saw the NJ plates on the Stang so I had to watch OGJW right after it because they were pumping their own gas and I had questions.

    At the end of OGJW he has JL tow it back to his shop for MAJOR repairs and he had major repairs too like stabbed etc!

    Why does Peter Stormare have the repaired Stang seemingly days after OGJW ends? Why NJ plates? Why does JW act like he’s going back to bed when supercriminal leaves?

    Why does Super criminal think he’s Javier Braden?

    So boring. OGJW vastly superior.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  109. well it’s the international angle that makes it interesting, stormare chews up scenery like nobody,

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. Something good came out of it. I just dubbed my coworker DeJuan Wick.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  111. It was around this time that Donald Trump appears to have attracted the attention of Soviet intelligence. How that happened, and where that relationship began, is an answer hidden somewhere in the KGB’s secret archives. Assuming, that is, that the documents still exist.

    Trump’s first visit to Soviet Moscow in 1987 looks, with hindsight, to be part of a pattern. The dossier by the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele asserts that the Kremlin had been cultivating Trump for “at least five years” before his stunning victory in the 2016 US presidential election. This would take us back to around 2011 or 2012.

    In fact, the Soviet Union was interested in him too, three decades earlier. The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB’s operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  112. haven’t seen it, but someone I know liked it, I didn’t like the original that much either,

    narciso (d1f714)

  113. He reset with Russia before it was cool.

    He was more flexible with Russia before it was cool.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  114. Sorry, haven’t seen “The Goods” but I liked “Used Cars” with Kurt Russell.
    — $10,000? Is that all it takes to be elected senator these days?
    — Well, that’s more like a down payment. After I’m elected its 50-50 on all the graft I take.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. @85. Mo Dowd today…

    And where was ‘Mo Dowd’ yesterday; ‘Are Men Necessary?’

    “Oh, we’re going to talk about me again, are we. Goody.” – Tracy Lord [Katharine Hepburn] ‘The Philadelphia Story’ 1940

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. nk

    I need to rewatch it just so I don’t steer you wrong but I think you would like it.

    Instead of a brownometer how about a badge like RAD techs wear to detect and monitor how much whiteness you’ve been exposed to in a given time period?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  117. “Oh!” Traci Lords

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  118. Is Dowd an avowed Hillary Hater?

    Did she vote Green?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  119. Are men necessary? Who do you think invented the miniature electric motor and the dry cell battery in the first place, Ms. Dowd?

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Linda Blair, diesnt osculate as much as dowd

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. So my badge would use the Traveling Willbury scale of whiteness.

    Tom Petty Jeff Lynn, George Harrison, Roy Orbison and Bob Dylan.

    Don’t go past Roy Orbison. The Danger Zone.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  122. That quite near Anthony zerbe from omega man, also the ‘laundered fellow’ in license to kill.

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. Hysteria crippled many a man.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  124. …took Young Smith to task for her “public display of ignorance,” or perhaps more accurately, her inclusive thinking

    The word you are seeking is “heresy.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  125. White people, meanwhile make up 66 percent of the leaders at Apple in the U.S

    White people make up 77% of the US population, so by any reasonable standard Apple discriminates against white people in management.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  126. I am going to bet that Christie Smith gave all the RIGHT answers to the litmus tests and that she will be a thoroughly woke advocate for tossing while male heterosexuals under the bus.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  127. @136. P&P, you know, this is eventually going to go a bridge too far. There’s already likely informal discussions in boardrooms and executive suites quietly passing the word: why open ourselves up to this kind of exposure; we don’t need this kind of publicity blindsiding us five or ten years later from staff for whatever motive or because it’s ‘stylish.’ If quotas are filled and a guy and a gal are equally qualified for ther gig– just hire the guy and be done with it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. My son sent me a jpg of an M1 Garland chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum but I don’t think my county is big enough.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  129. @140 DCSCA

    Maybe there is a lozenge that can treat toxic masculinity. At least while you are at work.

    That could be the genesis of Skynet. Too my he said she saids.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  130. I bet I know a movie you all would like.

    Have any of you seen The Water Diviner with Russell Crowe?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  131. 130. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/19/2017 @ 4:35 pm

    Is Dowd an avowed Hillary Hater?

    No, she isn’t. But she’s always known that there’s been a problem with Bill. Not as much bad as he really is, but something.

    Maybe since I wrote her a letter, because I think from what she wrote later, she read it; She maybe didn’t believe everything, but she believed something. How could you not, if you started to check it out? She knew Bill Clinton was lying about growing up in Hope, and she knew something about Hot Springs, Arkansas.

    It began, after the heading:

    June 2, 1996

    Please forward this letter to Maureen Dowd – and maybe after that,
    William Safire.

    Dear Sirs:

    Well, I see in today’s New York Times letters to the editor that
    Shirley Abbott, who wrote to complain about Maureen Dowd’s column
    which of course doesn’t have a fifth of it, has joined the cover-up
    or regrets that she wrote her book _The Bookmaker’s Daughter_ because
    it can have some real live political impact. She’s made me a little
    angry.

    She claims:

    « In the 1930’s and 40’s. Hot Springs, Ark. , could possibly have
    been described as a “hangout of gamblers and roués.” By 1952, when
    Bill Clinton arrived there as a small boy, change was already under
    way, and by the late 1960’s the town was shut tight and has been
    strictly on the up and up ever since. »

    Unfortunately for her, I read her book (and some other things) She
    paints a picture here of linear progressions. The trend is all one
    way. That is not the truth.

    In reality, the reformers won, in 1946, as a result pf the “GI Revolt”
    Everything closed on December 31, 1946. The people involved in some
    cases went out of town (to places like Hope, for instance) Then,
    starting in the 1950’s, the machine had its second coming. The period
    1955-65 was the heydey of the bad days in Hot Springs, and the only
    difference from the first time, is that there were not too many known
    Mafia people involved.

    « Briefly, after Daddy was too far gone to care, gambling caught fire
    and flourished once more, in a frenetic upsurge that proved fatal.
    Indeed, it flourished so openly and wickedly that the United States
    Congress took notice and began an investigation. The local increase
    in crime may be credited partly to Orval Faubus, the Arkansas governor
    who in 1957 refused to obey the Supreme Court ruling on desegregation.
    Governor Faubus and a white mob blocked the integration of Central High
    School in Little Rock, this earning international notoriety for the
    state. In the classic pattern of his predecessors, Faubus also
    collaborated with the Hot Springs gamblers who took little interest
    in racial or educational questions, but were glad to have their man
    in the statehouse. Flaunting their mob connections, Owney Madden and
    a group of investors opened Las Vegas-style casinos in the resort city,
    including one called the Vapors – a name that amused my literary
    minded friends in New York. My hometown had become so flagrant, so
    raucous, that we could read about it almost weekly in the New York
    Times. »

    – The Bookmaker’s Daughter:A Memory Unbound by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor
    and Fields, 1991) page 272.

    We’re talking here about the period, NOT when SHE lived there, but when
    Bill Clinton lived there. And Bill Clinton’s step-uncle, Raymond
    Clinton, was one of those “gamblers.”

    ….

    It went on for quite some bit.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  132. And nearly 20 years later, Stephen hunter revisited that territory with his first earl swagger novel, hot springs

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. I’ll ask the question again. Can us useless blue eyed white boys quit paying taxes?

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  134. Can us useless blue eyed white boys quit paying taxes?

    We’re lucky not to be paying double.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  135. Can us useless blue eyed white boys quit paying taxes?

    Sure. Buy only bootleg whiskey.

    Who makes the tax laws if it’s not white men?

    nk (dbc370)

  136. Fat Boy Christie fellating Jerrah Jones. Fly Eagles Fly!

    urbanleftbehind (e6dd3d)

  137. Aw, forget it!

    I just stepped outside for a cigarette. A young, pretty, well-dressed, well-groomed white (although with an Oriental cast) girl walked by talking on her cellphone. I heard her say: “Last night, when I went to the doctor, he prescribed ten Norco. Want to buy them?”

    nk (dbc370)

  138. Breaking the tufnel rule

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NewYorker/status/932413288272588800

    So shes like Skye from Agents of shield

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. R.I.P. Mel Tillis

    Icy (b8832b)

  140. you’re only saying that cause he’s dead

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. Skye from Agents of shield

    lol remember the emergency makeover she had between season 1 and season 2

    in season 1 she was just dirty

    by the end of it they actually turned her into a likable character

    well end of it for me at some point i just got over the whole thing

    i thought the carter peggy thing was much more interesting, but disney gotta disney everything up don’t they

    nasty little company

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. It has gotten silly, first an alt reality, where hydra took over the world, now that are going into outer spaces.

    technically Peggy carter died in civil war, but they might cameo her back.

    narciso (d1f714)

  143. I wondered what kind of audience that show had. The closest I got to it was the “Hulk! Smash!” movie, whichever one that was. Or was it the “Thor loses Mjolnir” movie? Those are the only two I’ve seen. (Besides the Phineas and Ferb episode, of course.)

    nk (dbc370)

  144. Did you ever notice how the liberals are all flocking to the near-sea-level coastal areas and the rednecks inland are buying guns and burning coal?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  145. There was the one with Ang lee, with 9 foot hulk who can jump like his on the moon, and the one with ed Norton, dint know who directed it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Before the chi made it possible. Organizations like osi (supposedly a branch of state department) in the six million dollar series were a brief rage, but they didn’t posit they were evil as is the template

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. I made the mistake of watching a few minutes of the courtroom scene from The Punisher on YouTube and now I’ll have to watch at least one episode on Netflix just in case it is any good.

    nk (dbc370)

  148. Ed Norton was true to the erstwhile Bixby TV series, although I did like the exaggerated strength of the Bana treatment.

    urbanleftbehind (e6dd3d)

  149. It appears to crib the latest season of shooter, whose curtailed ending ended up in a shooting in a Texas church, yes life imitates art imitating life.

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. i’ll try punisher i guess

    Luke Cage is the most boring man on television and Mr. Fist turned out to be an insufferable pansy and i’ll not watch anything Defenders anymore

    and yes

    Jessica needs to invest in a second pair of pants jesus christ that’s just unsanitary at a certain point

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. O saw the first two episodes of that series and I said ??? I admit the snippet about what happens between avenger films (excepting stratospheric insurance rates in new York Washington it al) was an interesting twist.

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. 159
    So the same sort of deal that China uses to make inroads in Africa is now going to be done in West Virginia? Does Trump realize that? Does Trump care?

    Does seem significant that no one seems to know the actual details and even Trump would not trump this “great deal”.

    kishnevi (410e69)

  153. So the Chechen sniper was actually the pawn of agency bureaucrats (essentially the whole lethal weapon scheme moved to the future) sans gay busy, how original is that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. It only 46 years since furman for Charles Manson to be rip

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. Rot In Hell: Charles Manson

    Icy (b8832b)

  156. B.I.H. POS Charles Manson

    From a ‘White Album’ cut to the white sheet; take a stab at what it cost California taxpayers to feed and cage this animal for decades.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. It would have been so much cheaper to kill him circa 1972. But, oops, no death penalty; thank you Marshall, Stewart, White, Douglas and Brennan.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  158. As for the modern impasse regarding lethal injection and “pain”, I continue to advocate a pistol shot to the brain stem. If that’s too messy, then a bolt gun like one uses on livestock.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  159. Do you like cultural appropriation? Do you like offensive stereotypes? Do you like dancing and comic villains? Do you like Berry Gordy, Kung Fu and Vanity? Did you like Car Wash?

    Sho’Nuff

    Pinandpuller (565411)

  160. #kishnevi, it doesn’t matter who taught who Krav Maga.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  161. As for the modern impasse regarding lethal injection and “pain”, I continue to advocate a pistol shot to the brain stem. If that’s too messy, then a bolt gun like one uses on livestock.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/19/2017 @ 11:51 pm

    One uses a hand gun on live stock.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  162. My son sent me a jpg of an M1 Garland chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum but I don’t think my county is big enough.
    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0) — 11/19/2017 @ 5:25 pm

    Yes, your country is big enough.

    My son sent me a jpg of an M1 Garland chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum but I don’t think my county is big enough.
    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0) — 11/19/2017 @ 5:25 pm

    SUBJECT: INVESTIGATION INTO THE SHOOTING INCIDENT ONBBOARD USS MAHAN (DDG 72) ON 24 MARCH 2014 AND ASSOCIATED INSTALLATION AND SHIPBOARD FORCE PROTECTION POLICIES AND PROCESSES

    ON 24 MARCH 2014, PETTY OFFICER SECOND CLASS

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  163. With that:

    Petty Officer Mayo realized that the Petty Officer of the Watch no longer had control of her weapon. With complete and total disregard for his own personal safety, Petty Officer Mayo immediately placed himself between the Petty Officer of the Watch and the assailant. While fearlessly engaging the assailant and shielding the Petty Officer of the Watch, Petty Officer Mayo was fatally wounded. His exceptionally brave actions saved the lives of four watch-standers and ensured the safety of the entire crew of USS MAHAN (DDG 72). By his courageous and prompt actions in the face of great personal risk, Petty Officer Mayo prevented the loss of lives, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  164. I used two entirely different sources. The JAGMAN and the citation. Sorry.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  165. …an M1 Garland chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum

    A .458 Mag is .30-06 length so it will fit.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  166. Also, the sergeant of the guard the old guard are wearing side arms.

    I think I would have noticed this before.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  167. Knock , knock
    “Who is it?… who’s there?”
    “Open the door, grandma, it’s your grandson”
    “Charles Manson?”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  168. “C’mon, grandma, open up… it’s not Charles Manson, it’s your grandson!”
    “Okay, you say you’re my grandson… who in our family is allergic to chicken?”
    “That would be my brother, Chris, right, grandma?”
    “Okay, that’s one… who in the family is pregnant out of wedlock?…she’s so nice, such a shame, that one”
    “That would be cousin Cassie, grandma”
    “Okay, that’s two… when we were at the wedding, and I was dancing and having a wonderful time and the heel broke off my shoe, and I fell into the melon balls, who was it that started laughing?”
    “That was me, grandma… now OPEN THE DOOR!”

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  169. Une femme Assise.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  170. It says a lot for the extremely low quality of prisoners in the California prison system that he was not shanked long before this.

    nk (dbc370)

  171. Yes. I an compelled to personally apologize. The mayor of Baltimore gave us room to riot, still that wasn’t enough.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  172. One of many reasons the Great Experiment is failing..

    “If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, ‘Hold on a second. I need to check with the president if it’s true,’” said Mark Lee, one of six Trump voters to appear on a CNN panel Monday morning.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  173. I left the state, so personally hurt I am.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  174. one of six

    And I can quote you Linda Rondstadt voters.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  175. Cher said she’d leave the country.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  176. Cher believes in life after love

    do you?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. Ben burn @ 122.

    That’s all true. Donald Trump was interested in trying to make some deals in Russia when it was still the Soviet Union!

    That’s in Mark Singer’s book, which Patterico recommended. He also wrote another book about Brett Kimberlin that was recommended here: _Citizen K_

    Donald Trump kept on being strung along by various people in Russia from 1987, through the 1990s, into 208 and so on – maybe they were all connected to the same people, I don’t know.

    I don’t think anything ever happened except for the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant being held in Moscow.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  178. Maybe Donald Trump just never took any of the hints.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)


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