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5/25/2017

NYT Reporter Lifts Material from Local Reporter then Plays Dumb When Caught

Filed under: General — JVW @ 3:59 pm



[guest post by JVW]

As a follow-up to the story last night about GOP House candidate Greg Gianforte of Montana “body-slamming” Guardian reporter Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs during what Gianoforte characterizes as an unwelcome intrusion into a private interview last night, comes some typically douchy behavior from a New York Times reporter. Whitney Bermes of the Daily Chronicle newspaper in Bozeman tweeted out a picture that she took this morning when the citation issued to Gianforte. The link to the tweet is in the proceeding sentence, and I’ll attach an image here in case the tweet has trouble embedding:

Bermes tweet

And then, a mere 44 minutes later, Jonathan Martin of the NYT sent out this tweet:

Martin tweet

Note the tone of accomplishment in Martin’s tweet: “I’ve obtained a copy. . . ” He makes it sound as if he was doing good old-fashioned shoe-leather journalism and hanging out at the police station asking all the right questions and uncovering every lead. But don’t the two photos there look awfully similar, and by “similar” I mean one and the same? Note how the redacted information is the same as well as the shadow on the document from the person who snapped the photo. This coincidence was not lost on Ms. Bermes who had the following exchange with Martin:

Bermes-Martin exhange

Twitter reaction is overwhelmingly critical of Martin and supportive of Ms. Bermes, and it would appear that all of the big poo-bah media watchers have been alerted to this. I don’t think I would want to be in Jonathan Martin’s shoes right now. It will be interesting to see what if any censure he might face from his employer.

But just another reason to distrust Big Media.

[Cross-posted at the Jury Talks Back.]

– JVW

114 Responses to “NYT Reporter Lifts Material from Local Reporter then Plays Dumb When Caught”

  1. Interesting thought: Is this a form of bullying? Martin has over 186,000 followers on Twitter; Ms. Bermes has 6,827.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. Mr. Martin’s white and also male, so if he wants to use the picture without attribution there shouldn’t be an issue, especially given that the person whining about “appropriation” is not even a white male.

    I thought we all knew this is just how things work in America.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Squirrel.

    Note the tone of accomplishment in Martin’s tweet: “I’ve obtained a copy. . . ” He makes it sound as if he was doing good old-fashioned shoe-leather journalism and hanging out at the police station asking all the right questions and uncovering every lead.

    Note: that is your own projection. What he tweeted is exactly what he did: he obtained a copy.

    Jaysus. Squirrel, squirrel, squirrel.

    Meanwhile, Jared Kushner is under FBI scrutiny in Russia probe?

    “That would put you inside the White House.” – ‘Deep Throat’ [Hal Holbrook] – ‘All The President’s Men’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. the FBI’s corrupt and panicking

    nothing they say right now is worth a handful of warm poopies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Note: that is your own projection. What he tweeted is exactly what he did: he obtained a copy.

    Tell me where you learned that the rules of proper attribution go out the window when using Twitter. Are you suggesting that all of the media critics and ombudsmen are going to look at Martin’s actions and say, “Yep, no issues there; not a problem at all”?

    JVW (42615e)

  6. @5. I’m telling you it’s squirrel meat to project your own assumptions of how a reporter sources information. Jaysus- shoe-leather. Seriously. Be it dumpster diving or talking to a source in a parking garage at 2 AM… or twitter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. JVW, the way things are, it’s best to not engage with these characters in the comments section.

    Gresham’s Law applied to Patterico’s Place, I’m afraid.

    Great post. Lots of people really appreciate the work you and Dana and Patterico put into the posts.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  8. @1. No, this is why the NYT obtained the Pentagon Papers, not the Daily Chronicle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Martin is a weasel from politico, one of the journalist, it’s all too unsurprising,

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. Whitney Bermes may have gone down to police station, paid the copy fee, and gotten a copy of the citation. Or she may have called up one of the numerous services that do this kind of work (lawyers use them too) and paid them to get her the copy. The NYT hack stole her work product, without attribution, and it’s tantamount to plagiarism. When he could have called one of the aforementioned services to get him his own copy.

    But I agree that his conduct is in full accordance with journalistic ethics. Please note: Journalistic ethics! Not to be confused with real ethics.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. @7. Indeed. A few chum squirrel. Then one reveals they’re just squirrelly, eh Jester.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. You’re right, Simon. This particular commenter has his moments, but at other times it seems like he’s just here to troll. Tonight is apparently one of his trolling sessions. The fact remains that the local reporter took the picture of the certificate and posted it, and the NYT reporter re-posted it without attribution, not so much as a “via @wabermes” or some other minimal effort to discover and acknowledge the source of the photo. That’s unethical, no matter what the peanut gallery wants to claim.

    JVW (42615e)

  13. It’s why Life magazine obtained the Zapruder film, not Boy’s Life.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. did I say weasel, more like a skunk

    https://www.newsbusters.org/journalists/jonathan-martin

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. Just like joke thieves Carlos Mencia and Amy Shumer.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  16. By the way, my argument is predicated upon the idea that Ms. Bermes did in fact take that original (“That’s my photo.”). I acknowledge that my biases lead me to believe that it’s likely that the NYT reporter behaved unethically here, and the salient fact to me is that Ms. Bermes posted it first, well in advance of Martin. If it turns out that both reporters independently got the photo from a third-party source, then I will update this post and retract my accusations and apologize to Martin. But I’m guessing that’s not gonna happen.

    JVW (42615e)

  17. @12.=yawn= the “trolling” here is the squirrel meat being fed as ‘another reason to distrust Big Media’ and the weak slam at the New York Times and being called out for it. There was absolutely no reason for a NYT reporter to reveal a source. The reporter clearly said he ‘obtained a copy’ and that’s that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. Come on! We should congratulate this NYT reporter – he is the only NYT/WaPo/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNN political reporter in May that has actually shown a document that they are reporting on.

    in_awe (8f644e)

  19. good point Mr. awe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. I’m sorry, JVW, disagree totally w/you. IMO your motivation to post this was simply to slam the NYT and ‘big media.’ It’s petty. There’s bigger fish to fry.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. JVW, the history of this character on Patterico’s blog is unrivaled for bizarre bragging. It’s just a waste of time to discuss a thing with him. All you can do is chuckle a little. Years ago, we all thought of him this way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTjtJ9Psgn0

    Give Mr. Feet his due. He can be sort of decent if LSD addled and a overly concerned with who is female, religious, gay, in the military, or indeterminate overlaps in that extensive Venn Diagram of neurosis. At least we get good recipes once in a while.

    I miss regular contributions from folks like DRJ, JD. SPQR, daleyrocks, MD in Philly, karl, elissa, Dmac, LN Smithy, and Stashiu3. It used to be quite a group of interesting commenters. I learned a lot.

    Like or dislike the current crop of commenters, the posts are still high quality and thought provoking. Thank you.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  22. @12. =yawn= Oh Jester, those who can, do. Those who can’t teach.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. The guy from the huge national newspaper very likely lifts the work done by a woman from a small local paper and passes it off as his own without attribution, yet some people are completely hunky-dory with that. Can’t wait to hear what those people will say when big multinational corporation X is accused of stealing trade secrets from small fish start-up y.

    JVW (42615e)

  24. you forgot SarahW too and also Mr. Carlitos

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. This just in: John Dillinger obtained money from a local bank today.

    JVW (42615e)

  26. @23. She learned the lesson– and she’s not the first.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. I agree, Mr. Feet. I particularly miss and value JD.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  28. i miss elissa too – she came back for a little bit but ther was a misunderstanding and i don;t know where she is now

    i hope she’s enjoying this beautiful springtime

    i took some pics in the city today, it was such a pretty day

    tomorrow will bring new adventures

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. Mr. JD will come back when he’s ready i think

    or at least i hope so

    it’s been a weird time for politics and principles

    mostly i can’t get away from the idea that we need for this President Trump fellow to make hay while the sun shines, and that’s just the mathematics of it all

    politics and principle, they fall away as night falls and there’s wolves at the door

    slavering hungry wolves of darkness

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. 8… that was before teh Grey Lady grew old and demented.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. Ever think to search how many NYT wire stories the Daily Chronicle reprint/run… the Bozeman Daily Chronicle is part of a Scripps paper and Scripps competes w/t NYT company. Jaysus.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Jonathan Martin is a prideful fool. He is all too aware of the immensely low regard with which the public holds the mainstream media, and could have used this opportunity to raise it up a tad with a face-saving bit of graciousness: “Oh, mea culpa! Let me immediately correct and give you attribution for the pic.” He doesn’t fully admit to stealing it and lying; she gets credit; the public sees an apology from a big New York journalist to a local Montana journalist.

    I fully agree with you, JVW, Martin’s use of “obtained” gives away his need to appear as if he dug through dumpsters to find the photo. He wanted to appear intrepid and victorious in a way no other reporter could possibly be – especially a little girl from Montana – and he wanted to remind readers that he is The New York Times. They “obtain,” they do not simply say “A copy of…”

    This is a man with an enormous ego. This is an insecure little prick.

    Dana (023079)

  33. Every wire service story I see in my local newspaper either begins with “from the Washington Post” or carries an author’s byline such as Jonathan Martin, New York Times. So it’s all about attribution, and that’s what Martin failed to give Ms. Bermes. You’ll have to try again.

    Yeah, I know Simon Jeter, I should just be ignoring him, and I’ll do that from here on in. But I’m not going to let his more risible statements go unchallenged.

    JVW (42615e)

  34. @30– In the 80s she began to color her hair– at least on the front page.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. And this is more akin to me taking a report from a NYT reporter and running it under my own byline. Again, let’s see what all the media watchers think of this.

    JVW (42615e)

  36. Jonathan Martin, Ben Jacobs and happyfeet are in a dunking booth.

    Who sells the most baseballs?

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  37. Who sells the most baseballs?

    Spaulding?

    JVW (42615e)

  38. Whoops, I guess Rawlings is the official supplier of baseballs to Major League Baseball. Though Spaulding has the Little League concession, so maybe they are neck-and-neck.

    JVW (42615e)

  39. @33. He rightly said he obtained it– he did not have to reveal his source. Scripps and NYT are competitors. Jaysus. In 30 years, she’ll have learned and do the same– if newspapers are still around.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. in so far, the citation was issued on the basis of an incomplete account, of the events in question, what is it’s lasting worth,

    https://faustasblog.com/2017/05/colombia-supreme-court-declares-unconstitutional-2-clauses-of-farc-agreement/

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. “Yeah, I know Simon Jeter, I should just be ignoring him, and I’ll do that from here on in. But I’m not going to let his more risible statements go unchallenged.”

    this simon jester
    he ain’t no jeter lester
    on Tobacco Road

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. @32- He wanted to appear intrepid and victorious??

    Projection again. He did not reveal a source. End of story.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. you know iowahawk’s insight into this, ‘cover the story with a pillow, still it stops breathing,

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/24/woman-arrested-in-manchester-in-connection-with-suicide-bombing/

    whereas with other stories give it mouth to mouth and Heimlich if necessary,

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. 36…
    Q: over their individual careers, who took more balls to teh chin?

    A. Yogi Berra
    B. DCSCA
    C. Pete Rose

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. DCSCA

    If the three largest papers in MT had plagiarized your hometown rag you would be all over that like Hotdog on a Stick.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  46. but it is true, it’s the only actual document, that isn’t an utter figment, that the resistance has presented,

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. — Mr. nk, that book you submitted, “All The President’s Men”, is copied word from the one written in 1974 by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein? Why did you put your name to it?
    — My journalistic ethics. I did not want to reveal my source.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. max Holland revealed how much of that book, was a clever concoction as well, when he examined the notes of producer alan j pakula,

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. Why can’t it be that a) Bermes posts it, b) someone else (call them Mr. X) sees that and takes a photo, and sends it to c) Martin, who didn’t know Bermes had posted it or that Mr. X took it from someone else?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  50. @37 JVW

    That came out of left field.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  51. if we didn’t know the cut of martin’s jib, we would cut him some slack,

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. @35. JVW, no it’s not. It appears she tweeted an image out of the citation on her own personal twitter account. The NYT properly stated regarding the citation it obtained ‘a copy of it.’ That’s all they have to say. Totally proper not revealing a source– who ever or wherever it came from. Had it been lifted from the Montana paper’s website that would be different. But regardless, if she has any media savvy as a ‘reporter’ she ought to be on the phone to Hannity and then on a plane to squawk about it on his shoe in the C block; or tape a piece for Howie’s Sunday Media Matters gig, Heck we know there’s a Fox camera crew in the area.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. @49. Exactly. The image should have been first published on her paper’s twitter feed/website and it would have been protected.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. @45- They didn’t plagiarize the Daily Chronicle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. So leaks about the Manchester bomber and a few other important investigative facts done to – among other things – weaken the special relationship. This crap has to stop and I hope this DOJ actually goes after the perps and prosecutes to the full extent of the law.

    And then there’s the criminal behavior of the last administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. @44. Haiku! Gesundheit!

    Your Trump-Chump angst is understandable, Flounder. Face it. You f–ked up. You trusted him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. yes, coronello, that is deadly serious, so is apparently the security service’s languid pace in apprehending the abedi clan, recalls the colloquoy one had about aggressive interrogation, last fall,

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. Why can’t it be that a) Bermes posts it, b) someone else (call them Mr. X) sees that and takes a photo, and sends it to c) Martin, who didn’t know Bermes had posted it or that Mr. X took it from someone else?

    Do journalists make a habit of running with documents that they receive from random people? I mean other than Dan Rather, of course. How would Martin have known that the document was legit? And if he got it from a trusted source, wouldn’t he ask “where did you get that”? If his source is the one at fault, then Martin should own up and say, “Sorry Whitney, I received this from a source who didn’t tell me that he took it from your Twitter feed.” I mean, they are in the same line of work and everything, so he owes her some professional courtesy at the very least. And he should also be making a public apology for that too, I would think, seeing as how he was scooped by the hometown girl.

    JVW (42615e)

  59. one can apparently fly the Islamic state openly in Manchester, but don’t dare quote Churchill, and well Katie Hopkins is public enemy no 1 for innapropriate metaphor

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. I guess the thing that bothers me most is that when Ms. Bermes called Martin out on using her picture, instead of replying “Oh, sorry, I received this from someone else in the 44 minutes between your post and mine, but you deserve the credit” he blew her off with a terse “I never saw your post.” Maybe he didn’t like the fact that the local girl got up earlier and beat him to the sheriff’s station, maybe he never thought to try to obtain the citation himself, maybe he was busy chasing some other angle to the story. But he handled it in the stereotypical way that one would expect from a big-shot national reporter who thinks that the locals aren’t worthy of his respect.

    JVW (42615e)

  61. @58. No, no, no! He doesn’t owe her ‘anything.’ If that image had been lifted from the web page of the Daily Chronicle it would have been protected and there would be issues there to deal with. Apparently, from what can be discerned, it was tweeted out on her personal account –a ‘rush to be first’ as it were, and as Patterico noted, could easily have passed one or through several ‘sources’ before the NYT ‘obtained a copy of it.’ It ends there.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. @60???!!???!! That’s why he’s at the New York Times and not Scripps Daily Chronicle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. @60- This is unreal. Your ‘b-tch’ here is you don’t like to see how the sausage is made.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. Debbie Poodleman Schultz threatens police over the IT investigation… hey, no story there!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. @60- Yeah, JVW, person to person, it looks like crap when a small town reporter on a small town paper believes she got bigfooted by a big city newspaper and a big city reporter. If she’s smart, she can take it to a Fox affiliate and see if they’ll bite but it’s a good chance reporters further up the food chain have similar war stories and tell her to live and learn. What he did was properly identify it was obtained and that’s within the rules of the game.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Half-truths and outright obfuscation from lefty ASPCA. Shocking.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  67. “As I’ve noted before, the Democrats seem awfully anxious not to have anyone look into this affair. It’s quite odd.”

    — Glenn Reynolds

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. when did we cross the stargate into an alternate plane, coronello, I blame Daniel Jackson,

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. I dunno, narciso… but I do know their bench is deep…

    “We carry multiple concerns in both our head and our heart. Just listening to the concerns around education and climate change, women’s health, child marriage, access to technology, all of those are of course interconnected. We have to focus on each of them in their interconnectedness.”

    — Chelsea Clinton

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWDgz23Ino&ebc=ANyPxKp9mm9bjmESvAajB7hNaFMkNzO_ALpNc6r2BYkGguFSUtIx9s748IphZEkiMhFHIjUFt2da

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. @66. Floundering Flounder.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. like the mariannas trench, coronello, if jd were still here, he would bring up the billy Madison quote,

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. I seem to be the only one inclined to take DCSCA at his word that stealing another reporter’s work product and passing it off as your own is within the bounds of journalistic ethics. The operative phrase being “journalistic ethics”. Which is to just plain ethics what soyburger is to just plain hamburger. Like you guys haven’t seen numerous examples of “journalistic ethics”.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. Gravis poll on display at Real Clear Politics.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/house/mt/2017_montana_atlarge_district_special_election_gianforte_vs_quist_vs_wicks_vs_breck-6209.html

    Shows Gianforte moving away from the pack after making it clear he will be Trump’s man.

    14 point lead.

    That’s why the shenanigans by the Gauriad tag team.

    Polls closing pretty soon? Yes?

    Normally I wouldn’t give a [edit], but it’s so important for the Dems to augment their Russia storyline, that their media employees and all their malevolence and machinations are having an effect, that it will be an utter delight when Gianforte “bodyslams” their Democrat hopeful at the polls.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  74. this is the paper that hired Jason blair, right, had they their druthers, they would have hired Stephen glass as well,

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. Half-truths and outright obfuscation from lefty ASPCA. Shocking.

    What surprises me is the attitude that it’s no big deal for the big dog to pee all over the little dog. It’s a weird attitude for any non-Randian to take. Maybe a crony capitalist can be sanguine with it too, and the NYT is simpatico with at least the Clinton/Obama variation of crony capitalism.

    JVW (3ad3a4)

  76. There is an interesting little tidbit in the New York Times article this morning:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/politics/greg-gianforte-montana-republican-body-slams-reporter.html

    After the incident, Mr. Jacobs had journalism on his mind during a telephone interview from the Bozeman hospital where he was getting an X-ray on his elbow.

    “Wait till my piece goes up,” he asked before getting off the phone. “Don’t scoop me on this.”

    It’s not clear what piece of information he didn’t want scoooped – maybe the tape, because it contradicted what Gianforte said in a statement (and he hasn’t said a word since and hasn’t made one public appearance since that incident

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  77. If you say “journalistic ethics” in a mirror three times the Colt .45 bull busts down your door and wrecks your place.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  78. Also beetlejuice, but remember macaca and the way the Alaskan papers ambushed Joe miller

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. Gianforte is in the lead by 3500 with 22% in btw

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. Sorry 36% in.

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. The online version of the New York Times article quoted above (by Jonathan Martin) is condensed at this point I quoted.

    THe online verson of the article, of course, was published up earlier than the print version. What’s left out may perhaps be the scoop(s)

    That Jacobs said that he landed on his elbow on a concrete floor, that Gianforte was the sole aggressor, and that Gianforte had been angry about a video about the campaign that the Guardian had posted Tuesday.

    There are actually quite a lot of differences between the two versions of the article. The online version actually looks like it has later information

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  82. Donald Trump carried Montana by 20 points in November, (55.6% to 35.4%) while Gianforte lost his race for Governor (against an incumbent) by 5 points. (50.2 for Steve Bullock to 46.4% for Gianforte and the Libertarian got 3.4%)

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  83. The libertarian party drawing almost 6%

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. @73- Problem is, from what can be discerned, she didn’t post it using her paper’s resources, which would have protected the ‘work product.’ Besides, unlike JVW’s quaint description, how do you/we know it’s ‘her’ work product at all– she might be sleeping with a deputy sheriff and simply asked him get a copy of it if it was available for her after his shift ended, pixed it and posted it to Twitter ASAP then rolled over for a quickie. So he may have done the ‘work.’
    ________

    @76. What surprises me is you’re tone deaf to how reporters protect their sources and methods. They’re intensely competitive, thin-skinned and guard their sources like their own offspring. Her mistake in this, from what can be discerned, is not releasing the image on/through the Daily Chronicle’s resources where it would have been protected– and credited. The NYT acknowledged ‘obtaining it’ and that’s where it ends.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. @71 Bloviating Blowfish

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. @71. Mincing Mackerel.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. @80- Counting ballots hand over fist. Give us a ‘blow by blow’ account, Nabisco. Audio would be fine.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. @71 Simpering Sardine

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. It’s rather clear, they even have the same marks

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. Haiku! Gesundheit!

    Oh, Flounder. You’ve been hooked, maligned and suckered. Try the Trump-Chump Salad.
    Next year’s special: ‘Imperchment Platter.’ Deboned.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. Besides, unlike JVW’s quaint description, how do you/we know it’s ‘her’ work product at all– she might be sleeping with a deputy sheriff and simply asked him get a copy of it if it was available for her after his shift ended, pixed it and posted it to Twitter ASAP then rolled over for a quickie. So he may have done the ‘work.’

    And Woodward and Bernstein may have needed to let Deep Throat actually deep-throat them in order to get their scoop. Or deep-throat him. Or both. It was still their work product.

    But I understand your point. Journalistic ethics do not protect a reporter’s work until it is actually published. Before that, they can pick each others’ pockets and whoever gets it to the public first wins. Ok.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. @92. Right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. @92. A set-up like the NYT is going to have stringers scouring sites for news nuggets around the clock, around the world to source. Montana’s Daily Chronicle, not so much- hence subbing to the wire services. That twitter image may have gone around the world several times before it got into the NYT.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. @91 Today’s Special: Pooftering Pipefish a la Izquierda

    Played, slayed and filleted

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. @95- And for dessert, you had strawberries, just like your Captain has.

    Adorable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Is this a private game? I thought of one so I’m tossing it out on deck.

    Truculent trout.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  97. @98. Tasty morsel.

    But Haiku gets the crabs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. It is kinda fun, papertiger. Okay… Aspiring Aholehole

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. Fellating Forehead Brooder.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. Your Trump-Chump angst is understandable, Flounder. Face it. You f–ked up. You trusted him.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/25/2017 @ 6:29 pm

    You supported him when you thought he’d be the easiest for your witch Hillary to defeat. And she still lost. Own it, cupcake.

    NJRob (520017)

  101. This is just a citation. The city attorney has to review the police report and decide if there is enough evidence to file.

    AZ Bob (19b2e4)

  102. “I don’t think I would want to be in Jonathan Martin’s shoes right now. It will be interesting to see what if any censure he might face from his employer.”

    – JVW

    By now I’d think the management at the Times has become inured to revelations of cheating. It is simply a part of their overhead and a small price to pay for the Great Truths they purvey. And a small price it is, as the gullible continue to slobber over each and every new revelation.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  103. @102- Absolutely, Ravioli! Thrilled he won! The Trump-Triumph was to effectively neuter the modern ideological conservative movement and steer the ship of state under a pragmatic flag. Unfortunately, Queeg is at the helm and he’s determined to steam into a typhoon of his own making. But wow! What a show! For as we know in these times, Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  104. And I just noticed that Whitney Bermes did not claim ownership in her tweet that showed the citation. “A copy of Greg Gianforte’s citation. There is no affidavit with it.”

    Nor in her first tweet to Martin, either. “You obtained it by taking the photo from my Twitter feed.”

    In her second tweet to Martin, she does. “Look at those pics side by side. They are the exact same. Same piece of paper redacting personal information, same shadow. That’s my photo.”

    I think the preponderance of the evidence is on DCSCA’s side on this. Even assuming “That’s my photo” means “I took it” and not “It’s from my Twitter feed”, Martin had no such notice when he “obtained” it.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. Do journalists make a habit of running with documents that they receive from random people

    I suspect they do, yes. Not that there’s anything right with that.

    Patterico (863abb)

  106. In other words, there is probably malfeasance on the part of this reporter, but it might be sloppiness as opposed to directly lifting the photo from the blogger.

    Patterico (863abb)

  107. Any way you slice it, the reporter is being kind of a jerk.

    Patterico (863abb)

  108. Bermes’ primitive redaction is like a fingerprint we see on Martin’s post.

    As a former reporter, I can tell you that reporters routinely re-write other people’s work. This is common especially when the local paper sees something about their area in a big publication such as the LA Times. You can turn on the local evening news and see soft news (non-breaking news) that was in the LA Times that morning. The wire services re-write stories that end up going around the world.

    This is all very common. The re-written stories should not pretend that it is breaking news unless there is something that is new added to the story.

    Martin went to the Brian Williams School of Journalism.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  109. @106. Right, right, right. What she should have done is piped out the image through her paper and it would have been credited/protected.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. “The Trump-Triumph was to effectively neuter the modern ideological conservative movement and steer the ship of state under a pragmatic flag.”

    Ponder just how out of touch one must be to characterize the unsustainable as “pragmatic”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. He’s gotta be flyin’ on 11 different herbs and spices and it ain’t KFC.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. Ditto #107, #108 & #109 from our host, above. By republishing the photo without giving a source for it, the NYT reporter, on his company twitter account, was vouching for its authenticity on behalf of the NYT.

    That was indeed very sloppy, and it likely is indeed a very common sort of practice, and occasionally — all too rarely; it ought be less rare — some reporter gets in trouble for this sort of stuff. That might be an additional or alternate explanation for the reporter’s surliness — that is, it may be simple defensiveness. But if I had to wager, I’d wager that the guy is probably a douche who thinks working for the NYT makes him semi-divine, and wonders why that obvious fact isn’t getting him laid more often. Just a wild guess on my part.

    I agree with JVW’s point that this incident is another data point, in an enormous set of such, to show that the NYT in particular and the MSM in general ought be viewed with constant, thoroughgoing skepticism.

    Beldar (fa637a)


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