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5/24/2017

Reporter For The Guardian Alleges He Was Body Slammed By GOP Running For Montana House Seat (Update Added)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:09 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Late this afternoon, Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs tweeted that he had been “body slammed” by Greg Gianforte, the Republican candidate running for Montana’s House seat in tomorrow’s special election:

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Audio of the incident was provided to the Guardian:

From the report:

Ben Jacobs, a Guardian political reporter, was asking Greg Gianforte, a tech millionaire running for the seat vacated by Ryan Zinke, about the Republican healthcare plan when the candidate allegedly “body-slammed” the reporter.

“He took me to the ground,” Jacobs said by phone from the back of an ambulance. “This is the strangest thing that has ever happened to me in reporting on politics.”

Jacobs subsequently reported the incident to the police. The Gallatin County sheriff’s office is investigating.

Shane Scanolon, spokesman for Gianforte’s campaign, released this statement:

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Here is a clearer version of Scanlon’s statement:

“Tonight, as Greg was giving a separate interview in a private office, The Guardian’s Ben Jacobs entered the office without permission, aggressively shoved a recorder in Greg’s face, and began asking badgering questions,” Scanlon said. “Jacobs was asked to leave. After asking Jacobs to lower the recorder, Jacobs declined. Greg then attempted to grab the phone that was pushed in his face. Jacobs grabbed Greg’s wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground. It’s unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ.”

A BuzzFeed News reporter in the immediate vicinity of where the incident took place, was able, at least in part, to confirm Jacobs’ account:

Jacobs’s account was partially confirmed by BuzzFeed News reporter Alexis Levinson, who wrote on Twitter that she had been in an adjacent room during the incident.

“This happened behind a half closed door, so I didn’t see it all, but here’s what it looked like from the outside – Ben walked into a room where a local tv crew was set up for an interview with Gianforte. All of a sudden I heard a giant crash and saw Ben’s feet fly in the air as he hit the floor. Heard very angry yelling (as did all the volunteers in the room) – sounded like Gianforte…”

She later tweeted:

[B]efore the incident, she overheard Gianforte’s staff telling Jacobs that the campaign was upset with the Guardian’s previous reporting and that the candidate would likely not have time to talk to him. Jacobs then entered the side room to try to talk to Gianforte.

Fox News is reporting a firsthand eyewitness account of the incident by veteran Fox News reporter Alicia Acuna, who was there with field producer Faith Mangan and photographer Keith Railey to interview Gianforte:

As the time for the interview neared, Gianforte came into the room. We exchanged pleasantries and made small talk about restaurants and Bozeman.

During that conversation, another man — who we now know is Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte’s face and began asking if him if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.

At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the man, as he moved on top the reporter and began yelling something to the effect of “I’m sick and tired of this!”

Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. He then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.

Acuna also confirms that at no time did Jacobs “show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte.”

You can watch the Montana Sheriff’s office address the matter here. Due to it being an active investigation, the Sheriff’s office spokesman provided little information other than deputies responded to an allegation of an assault, they interviewed Gianforte and other individuals present in the room at the time. No confirmation as to whether charges will be filed. Also, no comment on whether this will have any impact on the special election. There is also no evidence or knowledge about video of the incident.

According to Dave Weigel, supporters for Gianforte’s opponent in the race, Democrat Rob Quist, are now playing audio for voters as they canvas the area. I just bet they are.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

UPDATE: Greg Gianforte has been charged with misdemeanor assault.

303 Responses to “Reporter For The Guardian Alleges He Was Body Slammed By GOP Running For Montana House Seat (Update Added)”

  1. Just unbelievable.

    Dana (023079)

  2. I wouldn’t be surprised if body-slamming a Guardian reporter wins you more votes than it loses you in Montana. Maybe that’s not the way it ought to be, but perhaps that’s just the way it is.

    JVW (42615e)

  3. Mr. Gianforte was simply engaging in expressive speech. The First Amendment is not limited to just words, you know. As a member of the press, also protected by the First Amendment, Mr. Jacobs should appreciate this, and be open to robust exchanges of opinion in the marketplace of ideas.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. How long before the Five Letter Acronym comes up with a WWE quote?

    kishnevi (413847)

  5. I added the text to Scanlon’s statement as provided by CNN. The screenshot is a bit blurry to my eyes.

    Dana (023079)

  6. I’ve been wandering through the web and looking at various Twitter feeds, and there are demands to know where the media outcry was when Trump supporters were being assaulted, as well as insinuations that maybe Jacobs was wearing a short skirt and deserved this.

    Dana (023079)

  7. It seems an unlikely reaction even to a,twerp like jacobs.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Fix your headline: it’s not an ‘allegation’ per the eyewitness Fox News text you’ve bolded states the reporter was ‘slammed’ to the ground then punched.

    “Liberty Valance taking liberties with the freedom of the press?!” – Dutton Peabody [Edmond O’Brien] ‘The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance’ 1962

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Haven’t they tried to run one congressman off the road and death threats against another?

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. @7- =ring-ring= It’s the cleaners, Nabisco. Your brown shirts and leiterhosen are in but they say they can’t get the blood stains out.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. @ DCSCA,

    Fix your headline: it’s not an ‘allegation’ per the eyewitness Fox News text you’ve bolded states the reporter was ‘slammed’ to the ground then punched.

    If you only knew the life chaos during which I was writing this post! The Fox News reporter quote was one I found seconds before I was going to hit publish. On a whim, I checked their site to see what they were reporting.

    Dana (023079)

  12. =ring-ring=…. “Greg? It’s Vlad on the line. Yes, that Vlad… I vant to cungratulate you on clocking a reporter– and endorse! A case of Stolie is on the way to you in Muntana.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. @12– Dana– mucho condolences on that front, Dana… no offence meant at all…

    I know you’re juggling parental ills in the real world 24/7. Same here. Mother, 86, dementia, early alz. Getting old isn’t for sissies. Hang in there.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Thanks, DCSCA, to you as well. And absolutely no offense was taken.

    Dana (023079)

  15. What does “Gianoforte” mean in Italian? “Forte” is strong. I can’t figure out what the prefix “Gian” means. Does it refer to a region of Italy?

    JVW (42615e)

  16. John. Strongjohn. Or Johnny Strong, if you want to go Mafia. Like Frank Pentangelli was Frankie Five Angels in the Godfather.

    But forte could mean loud, too. As in pianoforte – soft-loud. Loudjohn?

    nk (dbc370)

  17. The factual dispute seem to hinge on this:

    Gianforte, or his people for him, claims he tried to grab Jacobs’ phone – this is the defense case – which is better described or identified as a voice recorder, and Jacobs resisted, but in the process lost his balance, and Gianforte fell down too.

    The Fox News reporters say that, when Jacons didn’t leave, Gianforte grabed Jacobs’ neck with both hands and pushed him down, without falling himself, and then followed it up by punching him and stting on top of him yelling about how he couldn’t take it any more.

    That’s the extent of the factual dispute.

    All agree, or none dispute what preceded this, and what followed it.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  18. nk, on the subject of apt combatant names: I once briefly represented a client on a civil & criminal battery claim who had the unfortunate name of “Orville Savage.” Mr. Savage was a gentle giant, a bus porter for Greyhound (which had hired me) who, in the course and scope of his duties, had refused to let loose of a suitcase when it was being tugged by a woman who’d ignored his polite requests that she present her claim check first. She fell over backwards when she lost her grip on the suitcase — that was the “battery.” Under the circumstances, I thought my client’s surname was about my only bad fact, and I was prepared to use that to get a good jury chuckle during voir dire. I was looking forward to the criminal trial, actually, because Mr. Savage made a surprisingly good witness. But the complaining witness was a no-show.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  19. Jacobs managed to ger up and away from Gianforte, although his glasses were broken, and he made sure everybody in the room knew that. He also said police should be called. (sounds like he didn’t have a phone, or that he thought calls by others would have more credibiity)

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  20. (After the charges were dismissed, I offered to do a pro bono “compassionate name change” for him, but he declined. He said he was used to it and it was a good conversational icebreaker.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  21. Why is the Guardian covering an off-election congressional campaign appearance in Montana? The guy doesn’t have a British accent. There’s more to this story, my spider-sense tells me, but … I’m having trouble caring about whatever it might be.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  22. There’s some irony that Fox News, biased and unreliable as we are told it is, is now the go-to reliable source for what really happened during the altercation.

    Dana (023079)

  23. To Mr. Sweet maybe, Beldar?

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Beldar,

    As with most thing politics these day, it’s about Trump, to one degree or another:

    On Thursday, the political world will eagerly look to Montana and a closely fought congressional race for the latest test of Democratic strength and Republican resilience in the turbulent age of Trump.

    Dana (023079)

  25. Reporters have always, and I mean since at least Mark Twain days and definitely since William Randolph Hearst, behaved like paparazzi. But it seems to me that, back then, they did not do it under claim of right. When they got beat up for it, they took their lumps like men and their revenge on the pages of their scandal sheets. They did not go whining to the authorities.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. Gianforte has been formally charged with misdemeanor assault, according to CNN.

    Dave (711345)

  27. JVW @ 2,

    You may be right. This from an MSNBC reporter:

    Stopped for gas & snacks en route to Bozeman and told a clerk about Gianforte allegations. Her response: “my kind of politician.”

    Regional politics and culture. This isn’t the West or East coast…

    Dana (023079)

  28. @ nk: That’s a good clip, but my gentle giant client was actually more like the John Coffee character played by Michael Clarke Duncan in “The Green Mile.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  29. Misdemeanor assault. Ok, then. In my high school, the vice principals called it roughhousing and would give us three days of detention. Sitting in study hall for fifty minutes after our regular school day — it was as much a punishment for them as it was for us.

    Anyway, conviction for this kind of misdemeanor carries no collateral disabilities. He can still be elected to Congress. I suppose the House can refuse to seat him. It has its own rules for the qualifications of its members.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. Congressman Mad Dog Gianforte.

    There was this one guy from Ohio that was like that. The other congressmen were a little bit afraid of him. Wide berth given in the hallway when he passed.
    Trafficant.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  31. There was another Trafficante (first name Santo which means what you think it means), a Mafia boss, who is featured in conspiracy fiction as being behind both the JFK assassination and Jimmy Hoffa disappearance.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. @23- They know when to drop the act– especially when they know it could just as easily be them the next time.

    You don’t beat up reporters– especially in front of witnesses.

    Unless, of course, you’re in Moscow.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. @2. It probably did in 1933 Nuremberg– and does today in 2017 St. Petersburg.

    Not much of an excuse. Bad form to beat up reporters in America. That flag waving freedom of the press thingy, ya’ know…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. People in Montana don’t need safe spaces. They make them.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  35. @26. What once was coined a trade is now a profession. Who needs to wait for the scandal sheet when your IPhone records it ‘live’ and it’s uploaded for global distribution.

    You don’t beat up reporters in the USA.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. You don’t beat up reporters in the USA.

    I know that. And it’s always been the case. Cops and reporters, you don’t touch a hair on their sacrosanct heads or all of them will come after you. Didn’t we just see it with Colbert responding to Trump’s “Deface The Nation” remark about John Dickerson? But Colbert’s tirade is the kind of response that’s been traditional, not a criminal complaint.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. I wonder how many times this guy had been barging into rooms with accusatory questions, as his holy mission demanded. The “I’m sick and tired of this” line suggests a history.

    I think we’ll see more of this crusader-with-a-byline stuff as we go forward.

    This might make the contest less lopsided, though.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  38. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/politics/greg-gianforte-montana-republican-body-slams-reporter.html?_r=0

    Reaffirming why Big Sky Country remains Fly Over Country; where it rains blue ice 24/7, 365.

    “Book’im, Dan-O.” – Steve McGarrett [Jack Lord] ‘Hawaii Five-O’ CBS TV 1968-1980

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Afer Gianforte was charged w/misdemeanor assault:

    ‘Three of [Montana’s] largest newspapers, The Billings Gazette, The Missoulian and The Helena Independent Record, quickly rescinded their endorsements of Mr. Gianforte.’ — NY Times.

    “The pen is mightier than the sword.” – Edward Bulwer-Lytton 1839

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. @39. Speaking of Colbert: FCC reports…

    http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/fcc-stephen-colbert-trump-1202442059/

    Another nyet for Trump-Chumps…

    “This just isn’t your day. Is it.” – James Bond, 007 [Sean Connery] ‘From Russia With Love’ 1963

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. Well, if you’re not going to do it, like kishnevi predicted, I will. The account — grabbing him by the throat and taking him to the ground and then getting on top of him and punching him — is not what is called a body slam. It’s called a takedown. A body slam is when you lift somebody off the ground and slam him down hard more or less flat.

    But a takedown is legitimate self-defense and aggressor-control technique, used by law enforcement and taught to civilians in self-defense classes. A body slam is an illegal move in professional wrestling . So there’s some yellow journalism right there, from the very beginning, and the scandal sheets are sticking with it.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. If you are fair and balanced like Fox your opponent needs a double-leg takedown.

    I wonder how Michelle Fields would write this story up?

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  43. @44. No, it’s called assault.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Thrusting a cell phone towards somebody’s face in a manner which places him in reasonable apprehension of an unwanted contact is also assault under the Model Penal Code. Look it up.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. And assault or not, “body slam” is still a sensationalistic loaded term and not true in this case. Yellow journalism.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. @42 DCSCA

    Three of Montana’s largest newspapers?

    I could see big repercussions if maybe he had pimp-slapped Baxter Black at a Woolgrower’s Association Dinner.

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  47. @47- Thrusting? ROFLMAO

    @48- No, yellow candidate; a coward in the face of a free press.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. And a big yawn for Gianforte, too. He’s not above playing the hereditary victim card, and this loses him any benefit of the doubt from me. This from his Wikipedia entry:

    Gianforte was born to Frank and Dale Gianforte in San Diego, California in 1961, and is of Italian descent (his great-grandparents emigrated from Italy in the 1890s, during the height of Anti-Italianism).

    Even if he or his PR people did not put that there, he left it there.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. @49. Read the NYT article. That’s what it says.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. @47 nk

    So if, as DCSCA quotes, the pen is mightier than the sword, when someone waves a “pen” in your face your response should be mightier still.

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  51. DCSCA

    A Montana newspaper is the equivalent to what you see homeless people selling at traffic lights.

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  52. @53- Fake news. It was a press avail by the candidate. But do keep trying to attack a free press and you too may get a case of Stolie from Vlad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. Yeah, right. The pen is mighty only when people with swords stand ready to defend the scribblers.

    nk (dbc370)

  54. Anti-Italianism went down after 1890? I think it came back for a minute.

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  55. I was all ready to sleep easy tonight thinking that doughty reporters stand ready to write really bad things about bad guys and upload them before I wake up.

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  56. @55 DCSCA

    American’s have the right to delicious deli meats and such but you still have to take a number and stand in line.

    “We’re living in a society!” George Costanza

    Pinandpuller (fa5d17)

  57. @56. ??? Yeah, them sword can really stop information from getting out and about. Ask Queeg. Ask a Chinaman. Ask a Roman. Ask a Herr Gobbels… That freedom of the press thingy can be so pesky. Don’t leave a Dick Nixon jowel print on your pillow.

    @57. Years of goodwill sewn by HBO’s ‘The Sopranos’ wiped away for 60 seconds.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. @59- And it’s not a lie, if you believe it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. That’s not true.

    That’s not true at all.

    If that were true then this wouldn’t be an internet meme

    I’m partial to this one [jpg] , but it’s due to the blue eyes.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  60. Besides we all have a right to privacy at least notionally.

    So get yer camera out of my face.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  61. @63. ???? It was a press avail called by the candidate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. No one has mentioned the Guardian reporter’s companion had been obnoxious to the candidate prior to the incident, in such a form that a response perhaps not physical but some response was expected by Ben Jacobs. They had been tag teaming Gianforte, priming the pump for an altercation.

    Ben was asking for it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  63. Sheriff Brian Gootkin, who, according to press accounts, has not interviewed Greg Gianforte following an alleged assault, was a donor to Gianforte’s campaign two months ago.

    And so it goes… and they wonder why it’s called fly over country.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. @65. Ben was asking for it.

    Fake news, Cottonelle.

    Ben was asking a question.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. And Jacobs timed it so that it would occur in front of the Fox news team, leaving Gianforte without the only likely sympathetic network to give his side.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  66. No one has mentioned the Guardian reporter’s companion had been obnoxious to the candidate prior to the incident, in such a form that a response perhaps not physical but some response was expected by Ben Jacobs. They had been tag teaming Gianforte, priming the pump for an altercation.

    Standard paparazzo tactic. Provoke the celebrity into doing something wild. Sean Penn was an easy one as I remember.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. @68… and don’t forget his IPhone was perched on the Grassy Knoll, too, Cottonelle.

    _____

    @69. Gianforte a celebrity?! A regular Sylvester Stallone.

    “Yo.” – Rocky Balboa [Sylvester Stallone] ‘Rocky’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. This will have zero effect on the absentee ballots, which are typically a significant percentage. This clown may yet prevail.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  69. I hope he does. Hell I hope “Mad Dog” bites the rest of our congressmen and infects them with spine.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  70. Cited for a misdemeanor…..

    harkin (716a38)

  71. Too bad he wasn’t an illegal, numerous cities would offer him sanctuary and numerous judges would drop the charges.

    harkin (716a38)

  72. Sounds like the guy simply lost it — obnoxious reporter behavior got under his skin. That’s tough for the candidate, but he should expect obnoxious reporter behavior at this point.

    All this means is that, if the GOP guy wins, Trump wins bigly. If he loses, it doesn’t prove anything except we, as a nation, don’t like our representatives body slamming reporters.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  73. He’d had it up to here with pencil-necked geeks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. if he did violent on a real person not a propaganda slut this guy would be in big trouble but as it is no harm no foul i guess

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. Ah appalled forgot about the joe Miller put up job already.

    narciso (679a10)

  76. narc — I am well aware of the press deciding that they are a class (not just folks with a pen), and that they have signed on to the Resistance. (Sounds like a frigging Errol Flynn war movie). You still don’t beat them up. No matter how provocative they are.

    It’s called discipline. Used to be Conservatives who practiced it, and it used to be a GOP virtue. Not so much, these days.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  77. Right when they have spoken about San Jose and Chicago will give them a hearing.

    narciso (679a10)

  78. Back when he was a kid, life was going swell.
    Till something happened, blew every thing to hell.
    That night his daddy stumbled in, all pale and weak,
    Said “These days the news is covered by nothin’ but geeks.”

    Mom said, “You’re new to this circus, what the heck?”
    Dad said, “they’ve all got pencil necks!
    And if there’s one thing lower than a side show freak,
    It’s a grit eatin’, scum suckin’, pencil neck geek. ”

    You see if you take a pencil that won’t hold lead,
    Looks like a pipe cleaner attached to a head,
    A snivelin’ fool with a brain that leaks,
    You got yourself a grit eatin’, pencil neck geek.

    [Chorus:]
    Pencil neck geek, grit eatin’ freak,
    Scum suckin’, news man with a lousy physique.
    He’s a one man, no gut, loosing streak.
    Nothin’ but a pencil neck geek.

    Soon the geeks were writin’ the news all around
    You couldn’t hardly sneeze without knockin’ one down.
    After a nice juicy steak, if you need a toothpick,
    Just reach for a geek, they’ll do the trick.

    Hell, they ain’t even fit for fish bait.
    Learned our lesson just a little bit late.
    They keep their mouths runnin’ got barrels of ink
    Complain about their bias and they make a stink

    Chorus

    Most any night you know where they can be found.
    toilin’ on laptops legs tinglin’ all around
    But keep the faith ’cause in teh people you can trust,
    They won’t give up ’til the last geek bites the dust.

    Chorus

    They say, “these geeks come a dime a dozen.”
    I’m lookin’ for the guy who’s supplyin’ the dimes.
    It’s gonna be real hard times for all of these
    Grit eatin’,
    Scum suckin’,
    Boot lickin’,
    Drop kickin’,
    Gut grindin’,
    Nail bitin’,
    Glue sniffin’,
    Scab pickin’,
    Butt scratchin’,
    Egg hatchin’,
    Sleezy,
    Smelly,
    Pepper bellied,
    Dirty, lousy, rotten, stinkin’, freaks.
    Nothin’ but pencil neck geeks

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2)

  79. The audio I heard doesn’t seem to support much. Is there video. This reminds me of the games the operatives for the D party were trained for, including an eyewitness. Gotta hold judgement until more comes out to corroborate.

    Rich (a5d991)

  80. you can’t trust propaganda slut stories like this

    they have no credibility!

    they have a long history of lying

    whereas Mr. Gianforte does not have a long history of “bodyslammin” (lol) the propaganda sluts

    ergo and therefore qed all up in it

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  81. Assaulting reporters is wrong.

    Patterico (dc1ebd)

  82. Ben was asking for it.

    Pretend the attacker was a Democrat or Trump opponent and you’ll be able to muster the human and correct response that mega-partisanship prevents you from expressing.

    Try it!

    Patterico (dc1ebd)

  83. you can’t trust propaganda slut stories like this

    they have no credibility!

    they have a long history of lying

    whereas Mr. Gianforte does not have a long history of “bodyslammin” (lol) the propaganda sluts

    ergo and therefore qed all up in it

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/25/2017 @ 7:26 am

    Your comments are worthless and have been for a while.

    Patterico (dc1ebd)

  84. This is just another “squirrel” from the media. They tie it to Trump, continue the evil Republican meme and the narrative goes on. Nobody knows nor cares who Ben Jacobs is but the “right people” now know he’s on their side (as if they didn’t know before).

    Moslems are murdering people all over the world but the narrative must me maintained with laser sharpness on Trump-Trump-Trump. Soldiers are patrolling the streets of England. France has declared a state of emergency. But the most important thing is keep the pressure on to reverse the election.

    The left has their priorities. Too bad none of them are preserving civilization and freedom. Jacobs is a man-made story. A-holes get belted in the mouth every day. Let him sue like any other a-hole would. But the story is about destroying a Republican not a bitch-slapped commie journOlist.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  85. nonono they are very good comments

    the media has forfeited trust faith respect

    what they’re trying to do on democracy is indefensible

    they have gone from not adding value to

    proactively propagating lies

    and yet they want to be seen as yummy yummy victims

    they are a sickness

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  86. What does CNN say!?!? Unbiased, inquisitive minds want to know!

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2)

  87. Rev. Hoagie:

    I dunno, it does seem like a political candidate “body slamming” a reporter is a little different from the norm? If it were my newspaper, I’d cover this.

    Is the media going to blow this out of all proportion? Of course. The whole GOP will be reporter body slammers for a day or two. Even if the media wasn’t partisan, this would be the result because, after all, it was one of their own that was beat up.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  88. I don’t know if the press has “forfeited” its respect. Maybe it never had it the way it likes to believe it did, in its bubble. Mark Twain was savage in his parodies of reporters and editors. Hollywood also, and not just with the blatant ones, such as The Front Page or Citizen Kane, but with others more subtle like some of Frank Capra’s.

    But the media has gotten worse, lately. I remember that they gave Carter a long honeymoon but had started reporting on him fairly by the end of his term. But that didn’t last. By the time Clinton came along, most were solidly house organs of the DNC and they have remained that way. Even the exceptions, such as Fox and Breitbart, are seemingly — only seemingly –conservative not because of ideology or ethics but because that’s the market share they decided to go after.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. just like with that “michelle fields” chick (remember her?)

    we have another brutal hyper-violent attack what resulted in

    no injuries

    the carnage is really piling up

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  90. I don’t know if the press has “forfeited” its respect.

    this may be true but with me personally it’s a real thing

    i used to consume just an unbelievable amount of news

    now there’s a legion of domains what are untrusted, not worth clicking

    wapo nyt cnn associated press reuters – these are fake news

    and other domains like national review are so butthurt that their class is no longer riding herd on the failmerican sheeple that they’re not worth reading

    they are all become a sickness

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  91. Here’s a recent victory by a YouTube guy against the Daily Mail. It’s both informative and entertaining. Be sure to follow the links, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. I am not one of those lawyers who places burdens and lifts not a finger, etc. Here, click this one, for the guy’s awesome takedown of the Daily Mail in six minutes.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. nonono they are very good comments

    Lol even the site host calls you out on what an inane bore you are.

    Jack Klompus (c5b875)

  94. We are not far away from when the press will go too far. Think of the series-post-finale movie of Homicide: The Movie where Chief(?) Giardello was gunned down by a TV cameraman who rigged his equipment (in the movie, the cameraman was a father who lost his son to drugs and was upset by the now-mayoral candidate Giardello’s push for legalization).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  95. LOl haha that’s so funny i forgot to laugh Mr. Klompyface

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  96. Did you ever see Dan Aykroyd’s parody of Citizen Kane, ulb? Where he opens his office window, fires six shots, and then calls down to the press room something like “Flash. Six people gunned down at ….”

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Nk, that’s not much different than these Khans/Abduls-on-the-spot at all these terrorist incidents.

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  98. Or CNN at BLM/ANSWER/Occupy/Antifa/La Raza events passing out protest signs?

    nk (dbc370)

  99. so where’s the footage of the injuries, on either party, heck the doctor’s note,

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. “Misdemeanor assault” tells you the police didn’t see any and/or the complainant did not swear to any on the complaint.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. apparently Jacobs had gotten under ‘strong john’s’ skin, because he pointed out he owned some Russian stocks,

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. @69 nk

    They were just trying to take pics of Lady Di in Paris. It’s hard to ask questions at 180 KPH.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  103. Yeah, p&p @105. That’s a better example of the sacrosanct press than Sean Penn.

    nk (dbc370)

  104. Candidates need to have sworn law enforcement body guards at their side to lay hands on people like a prayer meeting and escort them out when they try to preempt another interview.

    I’d like to see how David Clark would have handled this guy.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  105. I updated the post: Greg Gianforte has been charged with misdemeanor assault.

    Dana (023079)

  106. “Assaulting reporters is wrong.”

    Yep. No more wrong than assaulting anyone else though. It’s not as though they merit protected species classification any more or less than they deserve a bounty being placed on them.

    Rick Ballard (55deaa)

  107. 104.apparently Jacobs had gotten under ‘strong john’s’ skin, because he pointed out he owned some Russian stocks,
    narciso (d1f714) — 5/25/2017 @ 9:01 am

    Which would indicate to me that Jacobs was pushing the Trump-Trump-Trump-Russia-Russia-Russia meme which has nothing to do with “Strong John’s” election campaign. So a smart mouthed leftist journalist got in a candidates face about something he has nothing to do with and he smacked him. Big deal. That’s not news. It’s not even a blurb on the Guardian’s 5th page if it weren’t for the fact it helps move the anti-Trump agenda. So it’s Fake News and propaganda. Wow! I’m stunned!

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  108. I was taught in school that “Yellow Journalism” perpetrated by William Randolph Hearst was responsible for the Spanish American War. Will future students look back to see the Fall of our Republic was manufactured by Fake News perpetrated by leftist journalists who misinterpret the First Amendment to mean THEY have the right to tell everybody what to believe? Sure looks possible to me.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  109. no “bodyslam” either

    just more fake news

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  110. Patterico #86: I simply don’t understand the comments section.

    You work hard to provide a place where people can discuss things, even when they disagree with you.

    So the crudeness and weirdness from some commenters—over literally years—just makes me shake my head.

    Such people don’t show any respect for their host. I hope that they use the Amazon link to at least help pay for a place to pee all over your carpeting.

    I’m going to go buy something now from Amazon from your link. I hope everyone does likewise.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  111. “You know, and I’m the one who said that,” Acuna replied, “I saw both his hands go up, not around his neck in a strangling type of way, but more just on each side of his neck, just grabbed him and I guess it could’ve been on his clothes, I don’t know.”

    Ingraham asked Acuna if that meant she was changing her story.

    “Again, just to clarify, he didn’t grab him by the neck with both hands in the way that was initially described, that’s not quite accurate,” Ingraham asked at the end of the interview.

    “​No, so it wasn’t like he grabbed him around the neck, he had one hand on each side of his neck,” Acuna confirmed.

    I call that a distinction without a difference.

    kishnevi (0de685)

  112. I call that a distinction without a difference.

    either way it’s wholly inconsistent with proper “bodyslamming” technique

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  113. narciso @ 114 and happyfeet @115:

    Reporters lie? Whoda thunk it?

    nk (dbc370)

  114. Beating up reporters is how I like to relax after work.

    #Legalizeit

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  115. how is the academy providing a full and honest debate, ask that provost at new haven, that official at middlebury, where the assault on Charles murray was given a wrist slap,

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. Last night I was watching The Flintstones. A reporter stuck a parrot in Fred’s face. It didn’t end well.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  117. I know water is wet, but when you bring the legal system into it, it dials it up a notch,

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. No, kishnevi, it’s a great big distinction. It’s a judo-type takedown, not a stranglehold. And even with the fabulous neckgrab, it was not a body slam.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. Without diving into all the weird faux macho in this thread, this remains a really good example of how #narrative is created. Most people, right or left, don’t care about facts. They care about their narrative.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  120. yes a narrative, was created the event was not what was reported, and it happened strategically enough to affect the outcome, don’t let a crisis go to waste, someone said,

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. “Choke slam”. “Body slam”. “UFC style”. It’s a meme. You can see and hear it here, when a Secret Service agent at a Trump rally, who is being choked by a “First Amendment champion, uses it to defend himself. Snowflake nosferatu was hurt only in his pride, BTW.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. nk, that youtube video was hilarious.

    SPQR (156f39)

  123. 124.No, kishnevi, it’s a great big distinction. It’s a judo-type takedown, not a stranglehold. And even with the fabulous neckgrab, it was not a body slam.

    Either way, it’s grounds for arrest. Unless Gianforte wants to claim Jacobs was trying to physically harm him with the phone/recorder/whatever it was.

    kishnevi (0de685)

  124. plus pervy Mitt Romney’s slicked-up lil boy toy Paul Ryan got to do some hot and heavy virtue signaling

    that makes daddy happy

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  125. The slingshot guy’s take down of the Daily Mail, SPQR?

    nk (dbc370)

  126. If you really think about it news is the new elevator music. It’s certainly just as profound and original.

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  127. Ted Nugent with Trump in the White House. Stranglehold. Coincidence?

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  128. Trump might bring back the original bad-ass from the early campaign:
    http://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/23/white-house-talking-corey-lewandowski-crisis-management-team/22106230/

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  129. A lot of these videos look like they are dubbed because the audio doesn’t match the action.

    “Stop resisting!”.

    “He almost threw me to the ground!”

    “You bodyslammed me!”

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  130. Sasse: Gianforte doesn’t understand First Amendment

    oh great now all the harvardtrash are trying to out-stupid each other

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  131. excuse me mr. harvardtrash ben sasse please to do your incisive first amendment analysis on this for us?

    Twitter Suspends WND For Seth Rich Story

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  132. There is no 1st amendment right to a Twitter account and no 1st amendment right of witless partisans o harass grieving relatives with poorly sourced easily disproved conspiracy theories.

    Spartacvs (4e7366)

  133. it’s really what Dorsey and custolo’s little pet project has allowed for years, to flourish like swamp gas,

    narciso (d1f714)

  134. @71- Even if he does win w/absentee/early voting already in, Ryan really shouldn’t seat him until the legalities of this are done. Believe Pug the Thug is due in court June 7. Ryan has already said he should apologize, too. The smarter move would be to hold off until any legalities are in the rearview mirror. It’s not like they need his vote.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. serve as a platform for al queda, somelives matter, other assorted antifa elements,

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. A similar incident, with parties reversed:

    http://patterico.com/2010/06/14/nc-rep-bob-etheridges-awkward-moment/

    A video is here:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/345224

    In a video that’s tearing up the Internet, Rep. Bob Etheridge, a Democratic Congressman from North Carolina, appears to manhandle and possibly assault two young men who stopped him on the street with a video camera. Etheridge, grabbing one of the men by the wrist, demands “Who are you?” from the men, who refuse to give their names but say they are students working on a “project.” The congressman also smacks the camera and briefly grabs one of the men by the neck.

    Sammy Finkelman (107dde)

  137. I already imagined it as an adverse to my politics in the hypothetical, with nk’s example.

    Sean Penn at the restaurant has a paparazzo stick a camera in the window.
    I don’t like Penn’s politics, the roles he takes as an actor. Can’t remember ever enjoying one of his films much.

    But I lose not a wink of sleep thinking of Penn pushing that camera back up into the paparazzis nose.
    It’s not like Sean is a menace to society. Staying out of his grill is a reasonable request.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  138. Imagine if the Guardian reporters exhibited this behavior in other walks of life.

    Let’s say I were heading to the doctor to treat the fungus under my toe nail, instead of waiting on line for my appointment, I go barging into the operating room pull my shoe off stick my foot up in the Doc’s face.

    SECURITY!!!

    papertiger (c8116c)

  139. Imagine I’m a trial witness. The judge wants me to take the stand but instead I hop up and have a seat on his lap.

    Bailiff is on duty – his whole reason for being there – to put the bodyslam on some idiot pulling the Guardian stunt in court.

    It’s not a crime its a job description.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  140. I have reason to doubt the Guardian reporters account of things outside of what is said or not said about this incident.

    ON the Masthead of the UK Guardian it says in bold type “Comment is Free”.

    No it isn’t. Commenting at the Guardian is like trying to correct a Wikipedia entry. You can try.

    Say what you want about the Times or WaPost, their comment interface is clunky and not user friendly. Some articles are closed altogether. You’re voice is sure to be buried under an avalanche of liberal cant, but at least it’s real.

    The Guardian lies to you from the get, and in the form of a taunt.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  141. again i’d like to reiterate one more time that i do indeed make the good comments contrary to what some people may have implied

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  142. papertiger

    They should call Ben Jacobs the “Guardian Knot” and act appropriately.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  143. Breaking News- NBC News reports Jared Kushner under FBI scrutiny in Russia probe.

    Oy vey! You shudda let Sean meet the Pope, dope.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. More fake news, from the mutineers

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Does JK have a Shabbas Goy take his Russian orders on the Sabbath?

    Pinandpuller (1643f8)

  146. Montana Assault Witness Recants Story; No necking

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/265787/

    The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog’s back. “I could not help myself. It is my nature.”

    papertiger (c8116c)

  147. I am disappointed in myself that I am not more upset.

    Richard Aubrey (a09608)

  148. i kinda think she just wants attention

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. narciso @ 154

    Wasn’t that last week’s fake news?
    I’m losing track of all these memes.

    kishnevi (356aa4)

  150. it’s like ground hog day, kish,

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. 155.
    Jared and Yael can take advantage of another loophole called “close to the king”
    http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2017/04/when-violating-halacha-is-required.html

    kishnevi (356aa4)

  152. 153. 154. 160. kishnevi (356aa4) — 5/25/2017 @ 5:00 pm

    narciso @ 154

    Wasn’t that last week’s fake news?

    Yes, Last Friday, Washington Post online:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-probe-reaches-current-white-house-official-people-familiar-with-the-case-say/2017/05/19/7685adba-3c99-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

    The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The senior White House adviser under scrutiny by investigators is someone close to the president, according to these people, who would not further identify the official…

    ….Current administration officials who have acknowledged contacts with Russian officials include President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

    Now Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson don’t work in the White House of course.

    This truly is fake news: https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/status/865649171159670785 If he is on a list of people they want to question, that article would be mostly true. But probably deliberately misleading. I mean how they are trying to make “person of interest” into “under scrutiny” and then they give clues that can only mean one person, if you assume there’s some logic to wanting to ask someone questions on this subject.

    His involvement (a contact or two) came after the electon at the direction of people in the the campaign.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  153. At least Sulkowicz has now dropped pretense and admits she’s performing for attention.

    harkin (03720c)

  154. And what is it with moonbat feminists and brightly colored hair?

    harkin (03720c)

  155. @165. It’s a Bella Abzug thing. The 70’s are in their 70’s now. Burning support hose, not bras.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. 167 – “It’s a Bella Abzug thing.”

    I remember Abzug being a colorful moonbat, but not in her hair color.

    harkin (f65e7e)

  157. The assault charge didn’t hurt Gianforte as far as the election goes. He defeated Quist with 50.8% of the vote.

    Dana (023079)

  158. Hope this trend connects with reporters from the nytimes and the washington post.

    mg (31009b)

  159. I don’t know why a Guardian reporter is there either, Beldar. Are they now stalking Trump and his family and members of the GOP to find some awful, terrible, no good thing one of them has done?

    Patricia (5fc097)

  160. Guess people in Montana really hate leftists and reporters (BIRM).

    Congrats to the new Congressman.

    NJRob (520017)

  161. Gianforte apologized to Ben Jacobs:

    Newly elected House Republican Greg Gianforte apologized for his assault against a Guardian reporter early Friday morning, just moments after he was declared the winner of a special election.

    “When you make a mistake, you have to own up to it. That’s the Montana way,” he said a little more than a day after audio leaked of his attack against Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs.

    “I’m not proud of what happened,” he said. “I should not have responded in the way that I did, and for that I’m sorry.”

    “I should not have treated that reporter that way, and for that, I’m sorry Mr. Ben Jacobs,” he added.
    Gianforte’s victory was suddenly less certain after news of the assault broke just hours before voters went to the polls.

    His election was safe, in part because so many people voted early in the state that heavily favored Donald Trump last November.

    But Gianforte apologized nonetheless, and said he “learned a lesson” last night. He also promised Montana voters he would buckle down and get to work once he is sworn into Congress.

    “You deserve a congressman who stays out of the limelight,” he said.

    Gianforte said his victory was a victory for Montana residents, including coal and timber workers, farmers and ranchers, and veterans. And, he said, it’s a blow to the establishment that both he and Trump ran against.

    “Tonight, Montanans are sending a wake up call to the Washington, D.C. establishment,” he said. “Montanans said, we’re gonna drain the swamp.”

    His supporters cheered “drain the swamp” as he spoke.

    Dana (023079)

  162. Secret Service could use a man like Gianforte.

    mg (31009b)

  163. Gianforte wins by 7%; apologizes to reporter Jacobs by name for assaulting him.

    What a sincere and genuinely sorry sack of nutty crap you are, Greg. But loved that brown term collar on your uniform of the day.

    “… you’re such a child. You think that by saying, “I’m sorry,” all the past can be corrected.” – Rhett Butler [Clark Gable] ‘Gone With The Wind’ 1939
    ______________

    @170. =ring-ring= The cleaners called, mg. Your leiterhosen und brown shirts are ready. Tag says they’re sorry they couldn’t get the blood stains out.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  164. The cleaners called, mg. Your leiterhosen und brown shirts are ready. Tag says they’re sorry they couldn’t get the blood stains out.”

    Don’t ever lend them to leftie college students!

    harkin (141030)

  165. The democrats will get creamed in 2018. The silent majority answered the bell again last night. Slow learners are awakening to the fact the Russians didn’t do it, the Clinton’s did.

    mg (31009b)

  166. Assaulting ANYONE unless in defense of your own or another innocent’s life is wrong, but I do seem to remember DCSCA’s consistent outrage and condemnation of numerous instances of the left’s violence perpetrated on anyone who does not toe their ideological line.

    Hey, wait a minute. No, I don’t. https://youtu.be/rX7wtNOkuHo

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. And their countless attempts to destroy people’s lives.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  168. Chandra Levy’s murder was never solved. That’s just incredible to me.

    What do they call a college age girl who is sexually exclusive to a politician, Congressman pulls strings to get her an admin job with zero responsibility, pays her rent, to keep her in Washington?
    I think the correct word would throw this comment into moderation.

    The strings he pulls come unraveled. Her steady government paycheck for nothing gets cancelled. So she’s going home to California, but she never arrives. It’s a week before anyone notices.

    Because he’s a Democrat, the initial investigation is **cough,cough** botched. Answering machines, pictures, and emails and browser histories are scrubbed of reference to the hoer keeping congressman. DC police go through the pantomime of a search.
    A year later her skeletal remains are found strewn along a hillside in a CITY PARK. Apparently she had been tied up and left to die of exposure in the **cough cough** vicious cold of mid – Spring!

    This is one of the reasons I don’t give a flying rat [EDIT!!!!] about this Washington Post op/ed

    We’re Seth Rich’s parents. Stop politicizing our son’s murder.
    Washington Post · 2 days ago
    The writers are the parents of Seth Rich, who was killed in the District in 2016. Imagine living in a nightmare that you can never wake up from. …

    Even if it were Seth Rich’s parents writing it instead of the true author, Brad Bauman, a DNC henchman, with the WaPo lying about it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  169. To George W. Bush’s credit, Gary “Clinton Jr.” Condit’s johnson wasn’t a budget priority for his incoming administration.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  170. Looking on the bright side.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  171. If only Chandra had decent parents who would have told her that a married congressman who misappropriates government funds to pay you for sex doesn’t care a single jot whether you live or die.

    One doesn’t get to pick and choose one’s family.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  172. papertiger, have you ever seen the movie “Laura”? I’m asking, because your obsession with Seth Rich on every thread is … ‘ow do you say in your country? … out of the ordinary.

    nk (dbc370)

  173. Yes they did they deported the fellow, to do salvador.

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. Montana Assault Witness Recants Story; No necking

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/265787/

    The post linked far overstates the nature of the supposed “recantation.” It’s more like a clarification of what she meant.

    As to the guy who said, in response to my statement that assaukting reporters is wrong, that assaulting anyone is wrong, of course. I said reporters because there are people who seem to think it’s OK because the guy is a smarmy and annoying leftist reporter. It’s not a popular thing to say on a right-wing blog, where commenters much prefer chest-beating declarations of how great violence against leftists is, but people do not deserve to be assaukted just because they are reporters, or annoying, or leftists, or all three.

    Cal it virtue signaling all you like, but when vice becomes popular to advocate and virtue becomes uncool, I think supporting (and even signaling!) virtue is not a bad thing. We are becoming a culture where behaving in a crude, rude, aggressive, and even violent manner is now seen as cool. (Thanks, Trump!) It’s becoming countercultural to stand up for basic decency. In this context, I think it’s worth speaking up.

    Patterico (863abb)

  175. El Salvador, I know it’s probably typical in the windy city for people to be mugged and nothing taken if they are part of the Daley machine. Like the german consortium innjack reacher.

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. These are not popular things to say on the Internet, where everyone is a tough guy. But maybe that’s why they need to be said on the Internet.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  177. No, I thought the Salvadoran had been falsely accused by another inmate for the Levy murder. No big loss re his depo’ per se, but a little too convenient
    .

    urbanleftbehind (ccd208)

  178. Why do you think there was no video, Jacobs had been badgering with that tendentious Russian funds a week back and was begging the question with the cbo report, he wanted a confrontation

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. I hate the way both sides are treating this incident. Really, what happened is a person assaulted another person. That’s a crime. It also happens every day. Persaon A decides Person B is annoying, and starts doing a beat down on Person A. Police are called, and they sort out the situation, and book whoever needs to be booked.

    The “press” seems to think they have special first amendment sauce which means the situation is extra special bad, and the 1st Amendment is endangered. (If this were the police or private security doing this — they would have an argument. Otherwise, no, not really).

    The super duper tough guy right thinks that since this guy is a annoying Leftist, pounding the pulp out of the guy is A-OK, MAGA, man. UM, No. It’s a crime. Police should be called.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  180. The press has a license to lie after Sullivan, they want a shield law and yet refuse to be guardians of the truth,

    narciso (d1f714)

  181. Every institution has been weaponized against those with traditional views, the press wants to be the resistance they may get treated like one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. i agree i think doing the clutch clutch on the pearl pearls cause some creepy hyper-entitled propaganda slut had a mild physical altercation with somebody sends the wrong message about what kind of respect these truly execrable people are to be accorded anymore

    there was a time this wasn’t the case, and not all that long ago

    actions have consequences

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. Mr. Gianforte reminds me a lot of Michael Gaston

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. I think the slander standard is probably too high in the , although the daily mail I’ll stays in operation is a mystery,

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. So it would appear from the other thread,
    That the surveilance net was very wide in the last eight years, quic custodies custodies, lord Acton also had a word or two.

    narciso (d1f714)

  186. So yesterday they attacked the interim prime minister in greece.

    narciso (d1f714)

  187. After supposedly heartfelt pleas for interested third parties to stop politicizing the murder of Seth Rich we get this;

    Seth Rich murder conspiracy nothing but nonsense for the gullible
    Chicago Sun Times · 12 hours ago
    Back in 2000, I interviewed the late Rev. Jerry Falwell on camera in connection with a documentary film of Joe Conason’s and my book, “The Hunting of the President: The Ten Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton, …

    Let’s all hold our breath together waiting on a Brad Bauman’s admonishment for the Sun/Times letting a political hack use Seth Rich’s murder to sell political hack books promoting the Clintons.

    Almost a year later, do we know what caliber gun was used to shoot Seth Rich?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  188. The super duper tough guy right thinks that since this guy is a annoying Leftist, pounding the pulp out of the guy is A-OK, MAGA, man. UM, No. It’s a crime. Police should be called.

    Appalled

    Yup. Personal responsibility. It’s bipartisan.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  189. So is Jude cicollella and Michael Hogan.

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. The super duper tough guy right thinks that since this guy is a annoying Leftist, pounding the pulp out of the guy is A-OK, MAGA, man. UM, No. It’s a crime. Police should be called.
    Appalled (d07ae6) — 5/26/2017 @ 5:50 am

    Disagree, Appalled. The “super duper tough guy right” as you call it thinks no such thing. Some on the right may but not The Right. Just like some super duper violent leftists beat up people at lectures or Trump rallies, but not all. Or super duper Nazi leftists back the actions of antifa and stop conservatives/Republicans from speaking at colleges, but not all.

    And as narciso so aptly pointed out “Every institution has been weaponized against those with traditional views, the press wants to be the resistance they may get treated like one.” I would change only this: Since the press is leading the phony resistance/coup they SHOULD be treated like the enemy.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  191. They have to been party to mobs organized by the justice department that is state pier, to intimidate public officials who would not designate one person a public enemy.

    In other cases and the daily caller was a party to this sadly, they seemed to celebrate the assault on the offspring of a political figure.

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. there’s no evidence that any pulp was pounded at all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. Stephen Colbert last night satirized this by showing what he said (for the joke) was a clip from the pre-show prep, where he is taking questions from the audience and one person asks him if he is really friends with on Stewart and then he knocks him to the ground several times. (of course here the reporter barged in but he also asked him a question that Gianfree had laid himself opne to because hed said something like his opinion of the Republican health care bill would be affected by the CBO analysis – well what he did now think?

    Of course Colbert had to be very unfair so he showed a clip of Donald Trump knocking someone over near a ring, without explaining that that a world wide wrestling stunt. Not everybody would realize that.

    Sammy Finkelman (704f59)

  194. Camelbert has been organizing the two minute so longer he gets inner party credentials like Maher and Stewart and oliver

    narciso (d1f714)

  195. It’s becoming countercultural to stand up for basic decency. In this context,

    Waiting one’s turn for an interview is basic decency. Not sticking a microphone in someones face while being asked to leave for the upteenth time is basic decency even afforded by Chris Hansen to suspects in sex predator ambushes.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  196. David Brock seems to be able shut down any dissenting voice, who gave him that power?

    narciso (d1f714)

  197. brock’s a devotee of fascism and george soros, and the girly murdoch boys aren’t exactly unwilling accomplices in the destruction of fox news

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. Given that but say a network whose one deranged season commentator suggested a likely terrorist attack against a candidates property

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. Rev. Hoagie:

    There is definitely a group who thinks that doing what Gianforte did is just swell. See this Limbaugh transcript.

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/05/25/montana-special-election-your-host-joins-the-condemnation-of-the-studly-manly-republican-who-beat-up-a-skinny-millennial-reporter-and-is-running-against-a-radical-leftist-posing-as-a-cowboy/

    I am not accusing all right wingers of doing it, but there is certainly a lot of folks on that side of the street who likes this sort of thing.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  200. Yet appalled you seem to have had no problem with the candidate who said ‘hit them twice as hard’ or maybe you chose to listen to that part.

    narciso (d1f714)

  201. RE: Seth Rich murder

    The New York Times has an op-ed column about Seth Rich, treating ti as something organic, blaming this theory mostly on personality and a few exploiters. That is, it doesn’t see this conspiracy theory, as itself arising from a conspiracy, as it almost certainly does.

    It should be obvious that the original promoters of this theory are most likely to be the people who stole the information from the DNC – I said the original promoters, not just people who latched on to it. Also, someone would have to have a very good knowledge of what’s going at the DNC, who works for it and so on, and/or ccouring the Unternewt for any infromation about people connected to the DNC – you’d have to know that to even know that there was a murder that could be used. I’m not sure how to use the second postulate here, but I think I would recognize something that fit the description.

    It does explain some of it because maybe they have more information.

    I can’t seem to find this article online.

    The first important fact this has is that it first appeared on July 13 (three aday after the mmurder – it says he was killed July 10 – previously I read July 8 – at a site called whatdoesitmean,com

    First thing to research what else does or did this site say?

    The murder theory made more sense than it does now. The reason we;re nt hearing it is that it contrary to known facts.

    It said that Seth Rich was on his way to the FBI to testify against Hillary Clinton.

    Killing a witness might make sense. Killing somebody who is leaking or had leaked didn’t make sense at that point in time.

    One problem with that is there is apparently not the slightest basis for thinking that Seth Rich was going to be a witness, at least against Hilary Clinton, and Comey had closed the investigation in Washington on July 5.

    Rich also wa snot in the kind ofposition to leak very much on his own and was leaving the DNC to work for the Hillary Clinton campaign in Brooklyn.

    Then she mentions Julian Assange, who insinutaed Seth Rich could have been his source and offered a $20,000 reward. She notes that he;d be abe to distance himself from he’d acted as a funnel for aRussian intelligence operation if that were true. She DOES NOT say as maybe she shoud, that Julian assange ould have bene advised by the Russians or someone acting on Russians behalf, to use this Seth Rich siry.

    She also mentioons Infowars buut wanst to claim Alex Jones’s motives are financial because he sells a Flooueide shield Supplement whil warning about the dangers of flouride – claiming that is used to control people. Well, Alex Jones’ motives have to be something a bit more than just financial – I mean it’s rprobably financial in the end anyway – but he’s at the end of a pipeline.

    And then the biggest person she blames is Sean Hannity.

    Sammy Finkelman (704f59)

  202. Not to, who threatened the Aig cleanup crew, because Spitzer had forced a,purge of hank Greenberg, leaving Chris dodd’ s puppet, cassiano without supervision.

    narciso (d1f714)

  203. Limbaugh tried to defend Gianforte, and I think that’s crazy. He could defend voting for him without doiing this.

    Sammy Finkelman (704f59)

  204. If you’ll read the Guardian’s own story, you’ll see that it was Ben Jacobs who thought he was the tough guy, Flash Casey, two-fisted reporter. That he could just barge-in, in an office where a Fox camera crew was preparing to interview Gianforte, and all that would happen is, in his own words, that he would be to told to go to hell. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana

    And nobody was pounded to a pulp and nobody was body slammed either. This was a paparazzo being a paparazzo and he got a little stronger reaction from his victim than he expected.

    nk (dbc370)

  205. No sammeh he was pointing out every instance where the press tried to demoralize Republican voters and they fall short.

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. “Provocation”, bah. If this guy can’t handle a pushy (?) reporter without throwing down or apologise for losing his temper if he does, he needs to get out of the game.

    On the other hand the Shawinigan handshake is pretty useful when security is indisposed.

    JP (78eb06)

  207. The guy in Kansas, tosoff and now the draft dodging nudist rodeo singer, let us not speak of his name again

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. nk:

    I am guilty of indulging in some hyperbole (not the first time that has happened). I look at this as a guy losing it on a reporter who is being a jerk. It’s criminal; the police should be called; but my heart isn’t breaking.

    I just dislike it being pushed by Limbaugh and some others as a Positive Thing. That’s the road to political thuggery.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  209. Gianforte even won counties that voted for Hillary Clinton last November.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  210. Where are the future turbas and colectivos, (one was the Sandinista model, the other Venezuelan) coming from the campus, how long before the occupy/antifa go winter soldier?

    narciso (d1f714)

  211. Complete MSM News Blackout on NSA Illegal Spying Bombshell

    I think of it more as an editorial opinion rather than a body slam.

    And no [edit] apology.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  212. Its remarkable really, just like the footprints that tie Manchester countries disappear in the dirt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  213. No. It’s not a positive thing, it’s not praiseworthy, and it’s not how a Congressman should behave. I’m just not giving the same degree of blameworthiness that the media would like me to.

    nk (dbc370)

  214. You can’t watch the movie without the soundtrack

    http://invisibleserfscollar.com/

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. Turnout was about 100,000 (1/3) less than in November too. Neither of these guys was anybody’s first choice. Gianforte had already been voted down when he ran for governor last year.

    nk (dbc370)

  216. I saw a cowboy stuff a hippie in a popcorn machine one winter in Jackson Hole.
    I love the Mountains.

    mg (31009b)

  217. Patterico writes:

    “We are becoming a culture where behaving in a crude, rude, aggressive, and even violent manner is now seen as cool. (Thanks, Trump!) It’s becoming countercultural to stand up for basic decency. In this context, I think it’s worth speaking up.”

    Thank you. Exactly so.

    I had to roll my eyes at people who think it is no big deal, or different depending on the letter in front a name.

    This is graffiti on our social fabric; a “broken window” that invites more broken windows and tagging.

    Simon Jester (473673)

  218. It’s a reality Simon, when the left’s ox is gored, we never hear the end of it, when it’s the rights turn every excuse is made to move them out of the frame. And this is the template that continues into media, govt and corporate management.

    narciso (d1f714)

  219. Why isn’t kimberlin in prison? Or ribert creamer. Why is he still pulling scams, nakoula went down the rabbit hole faster than Peter cottontail

    narciso (d1f714)

  220. Because they have in the local constabulart and the press is silent as basenghi.

    narciso (d1f714)

  221. the judicious employ of apathy is a healthy way to prioritize people what really need our sympathies and concern

    people what degrade their own profession in a bid to force their views and their will upon a citizenry what does not share those views, they have no evident claim on these sympathies

    remember what the good picklebook says

    it says do unto others as you would have them do unto you

    propaganda sluts like poor bodyslammed ben, they do a whole lot of poopy vicious lies all up in it to others

    call it karma

    call it social justice

    i don’t really care

    the propaganda sluts made their own bed and they’re just gonna have to lie in it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  222. notwithstanding cnn fake news propaganda slut jake tapper’s righteous indignation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  223. “That’s the road to political thuggery.”

    “Politics” is what is supposed to mitigate the need for separate groups to pick up the cudgel.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

    That’s the common denominator of all decencies. Violated on a minute by minute basis by the media entire.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  225. lol

    when sleazy corrupt p.o.s. Eric Holder gave voter intimidation the blessing of the Failmerican Justice Department

    this pathetic little country was baptized into a glorious new era of political thuggery

    lois lerner picked up that ball and ran with it … then the sleazy fbi pigs joined in

    the EPA the FDA

    will eff you up so hard

    this is who you are anymore, little failmericans

    you’re just trash to be thugged on by the harvardtrash elites

    (harvardtrash fascist John Roberts says you can be punished for not buying what the government tells your pissant ass to buy)

    so when they mew mew and maw maw about how brutish you are not to cry big ploppy tears for a propaganda slut in Montana

    remember – they lurv them some thuggery on the right people

    they just wanna make sure the people they’re thugging on don’t get uppity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  226. One should pushback when one is repeatedly admonished to set a good example by eating the sh*t sandwich.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. ok that was maybe a lil more concise than mine one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  228. “AMERICANS TO MEDIA: DROP DEAD! Greg Gianforte Campaign Raised $100K After Candidate Assaulted Reporter.

    For once, maybe the question “Why do they hate us?” is actually germane.”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/25/greg-gianforte-campaign-raised-100k-after-candidate-assaulted-reporter/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  229. Etheridge later apologized for the incident in a statement saying “I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction, and I apologize to all involved”.[16] Etheridge called a press conference where he stated that there was no excuse for his actions. He refused to speculate on the motivation of those involved and said that it had been a “long day”.[17] An article in the New York Times subsequently stated that unnamed “Republican political strategists acknowledge they were behind the episode.”[18]

    Well, the New York Times cared enough to invent anonymous political strategists to take the blame.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  230. Don’t forget Stuart smalley. Ironically then one who ultimately defeatedverhrosge was the doctor who got too full of herself by 2016.

    narciso (d1f714)

  231. “Political Violence From the Left Continues Garnering Zero Condemnation in Leftist Media
    —Ace

    You can find my condemnation of Greg Gianforte’s bodyslam right next to CNN’s condemnation of the professor charged with three accounts of attacking peaceful Trump supporters — with a bike lock. Which is a heavy metal improvised weapon.

    Berkeley police have arrested a former Diablo Valley College professor for committing an assault during the protests that took place this April. During the protest, violence broke out between supporters of President Trump and far-left anarchists who brand themselves “Antifa,” many of whom were clad in black and wore full face masks to conceal their identities.
    East Bay Times reports that 28-year-old Eric Clanton was arrested Wednesday evening in Oakland and is currently being held on a $200,000 bail in Berkeley City Jail. He was arrested on suspicion of three counts of assault with a deadly weapon, including a U-lock bike lock, a weapon he is alleged to have used to seriously injure three people at the protest.

    Note the three attacks hit the victim in the neck or head — which is the target point which could kill someone with a steel bludgeon — and also note that it does not appear to be the cops or the media which ferreted out this guy’s identity, but 4chan.

    Apparently the media couldn’t give any f*cks about it, and still doesn’t.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369954.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  232. Apparently the media couldn’t give any f*cks about it, and still doesn’t.”

    Colonel, the media only cares about that which moves it’s narrative. If the guy had been a Trump supporter it would be different. The media finally, and I mean finally since it’s been this way since Bush 41 at least, has been forced by the Trump election to show its hand. They have been the leftist and Democrat party propaganda arm for decades and only tolerated Republicans that played along at governing. Trump threw them for a loop. It wasn’t supposed to happen. He wasn’t supposed to happen and now they are in full panic mode. After decades of being the low key pusher of leftist propaganda they now have been called on to pick up the black banner of fascism and “resist”. They are doing so with vigor. The left is the enemy of traditional America. I’m a traditional American ergo they are my enemy. If you think they aren’t your enemy perhaps a teaching gig at Cornell is a good fit for you.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  233. given how loathsome they are, not enough note’s taken of how little violence is ever visited upon failmerican propaganda sluts, and how what little there is, can only be described as mild and fleeting

    (recall that prior to little ben’s unfortunate if not particularly injurious encounter with the bodyslams, the most recent example of said violence involved a fiercely devastating… gif on twitter)

    it’s truly remarkable

    and we should remark upon it

    which i have just done

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  234. Breaking News: Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret channel with Kremlin

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_kushner-705pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.aba6d9c10ea0

    Jaysus. What. A. Rich. Young. Devious. Stupid. Presidential-Son-In-Law putz.

    “That would put you inside the White House.” – ‘Deep Throat’ [Hal Holbrook] ‘All The President’s Men’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  235. a secure communications channel by definition has to be “secret”

    this is a key element in the process of how one secures one’s communications

    if the diseased criminal stinkypig had understood this basic concept, she might perhaps be defiling the sleazy white house as i type this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  236. Yes the first rule of fight club is well you know. Also this is what Rhodes and Malley did with iran.

    narciso (d1f714)

  237. The White House disclosed the meeting only in March, playing down its significance. But people familiar with the matter say the FBI now considers the encounter, as well as another meeting Kushner had with a Russian banker, to be of investigative interest.”

    Slow news day leading up to Memorial Day, eh, WaPo? Now that is TDS, boys and girls.

    nk (dbc370)

  238. I thought Prince was the back channel in the Seychelles,

    narciso (d1f714)

  239. “Daddy! Pardon my Jared for all crimes, past, present and future. Pweeeeeeeeze?”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  240. ‘Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.’ -WaPo.

    “Oh my.” – catch phrase, George Takei

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  241. @256. Nyet. Like it was discussed in December at Trump Tower, before Trump was inaugurated. It was just incredibly stupid:

    Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  242. It is common for senior advisers of a newly elected president to be in contact with foreign leaders and officials.

    even the WaPo propaganda sluts admit they have no story

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  243. Did you catch this WaPo story?

    “Mars Rover Sends Back Evidence That Trump Killed Elvis”

    nk (dbc370)

  244. Given the revelations that Obama was, to put it most charitably, sloppy in allowing “private parties” access to NSA-monitored communications, and given the common knowledge that he did everything he could to sabotage the transition, I’d have looked for a secure phone line too.

    nk (dbc370)

  245. meanwhile the russians still have the 25% of failmerica’s uranium supply that stinkypig clinton sold them after they made a VERY generous contribution to her herpes-ridden husband’s “Global Initiative” slush fund

    not that the sleazy corrupt trash at the FBI give a damn

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  246. Quite. And when was Kushner hired/cleared/authorized to conduct negotiations on behalf of th United States’ incoming administration? Oh wait…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  247. meanwhile the russians still have the 25% of failmerica’s uranium supply that stinkypig clinton sold them

    No, they have some percentage of Canada’s uranium supply which includes 25% of the uranium produced in the U.S. due to a corporate merger which Hillary had a vote in approving.

    nk (dbc370)

  248. lol when was corrupt p.o.s. Jim Comey hired to run interference for organized crime at failmerica’s obscenely corrupt and sleazy FBI

    maybe Meghan McCain’s cowardly p.o.s. torture victim daddy knows?

    he seems to fancy himself as being “in the loop” as they say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. good point Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  250. @258/259: Nabisco and Happbleats: purveyos of fake news:

    Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the pseudonym “Tyler Durden” (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

    Zero Hedge’s content has been classified as conspiratorial, anti-establishment, and economically pessimistic,and has been criticized for presenting extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  251. we wouldn’t need a Zero Hedge if the Amazon turdlord’s propaganda sluts would stop spewing chunks and chunks of fake news

    and if the CNN Anderson Cooper fake news propaganda sluts had any integrity (hello obscene lying pervert Jake Tapper)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  252. An unabashed old school cold warrior lays down the facts

    https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/

    narciso (d1f714)

  253. Maybe it’s a Freudian slip, or there’s a secret Trump supporter at WaPo. This is the WaPo story title (headline?):

    Jared Kushner trying to secretly talk to the Russians is the biggest billow of smoke yet

    nk (dbc370)

  254. Kushner proposed a channel of communications with the Russians … that’s a story? Good lord what utter bullshit gets people excited.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  255. holy smoke billows batman

    what if a sleazy ex-fbi piece of princetonfilth like robert mueller isn’t up to the job?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  256. Its perfectly legal for Kushner to propose a communications channel with the Russians. And its perfectly legal to suggest using Russian facilities to avoid the surveillance that we _now_ know the FISA court was condemning the Obama administration for its abuse.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  257. There are reasons for concern, pikachu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  258. @268- ROFLMAOPIP You’ve been outed as a purveyor of pixie dust, happybleat. Grab your nabisco crackers and hop on that unicorn and be gone.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  259. It does make sense so an incident like the one in Syria two months ago doesn’t spiral out of control.

    narciso (d1f714)

  260. i can well imagine

    the idea that this sketchy ex-FBI Mueller dude is any less corrupt and sleazy than fbi trash like Comey or McCabe is simply not an idea what’s grounded in reality as it exists outside of the carefully constructed confines of fake news

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  261. i have stuffs to do anyway Mr. DCSCA i’m not going cause you says so but cause of i have my own agenda

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  262. 267… DCSCA, I don’t think YOUR condemnation of ZeroHedge has quite the effect you are hoping for. I base that on your history here as a purveyor of half-truths, innuendo and Fake News.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  263. Here’s the headline DCSCA posted yesterday “Jared Kushner Under Scrutiny in Russia Probe, Officials Say”

    … but you go to the NBC story and read, “Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and one of his senior advisers, has come under FBI scrutiny in the Russia investigation, multiple U.S. officials told NBC News.

    Investigators believe Kushner has significant information relevant to their inquiry, officials said. That does not mean they suspect him of a crime or intend to charge him.”

    And, “The FBI’s scrutiny of Kushner places the bureau’s sprawling counterintelligence and criminal investigation not only on the doorstep of the White House, but the Trump family circle”

    Oh, my! The usual breathless, leftwing horsestuff. The FBI talks to a little t of people. It’s part of their job

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/jared-kushner-now-under-fbi-scrutiny-russia-probe-say-officials-n764826

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  264. Talks to a lot of people…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  265. They forget the last chapter they wrote

    https://mobile.twitter.com/joelpollak/status/868276781421219840

    narciso (d1f714)

  266. Prevaricating PencilSmelt.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  267. Breaking- Exclusive: Trump son-in-law had undisclosed contacts with Russian envoy – sources

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSKBN18N018

    “And the hits just keep on coming.” – Lt. Dan Kaffee [Tom Cruise] ‘A Few Good Men’ 1992

    _________

    @278. Haiku! Gesundheit. Wipe your nose.

    Your Trump-Chump angst is understandable, Flounder. Face it. You f–ked up. You trusted him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  268. What is interesting about the cia link I had above was that the back channel was lying to kennedy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  269. @284- What’s more interesting is your purveyance of fake news, comrade.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  270. FBI investigators are examining whether Russians suggested to Kushner or other Trump aides that relaxing economic sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump, said the current U.S. law enforcement official. – Reuters.

    “Verrrrrrry interesting.” – ‘Wolfgang’ [Arte Johnson] ‘Laugh-In’ NBC TV, 1968

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  271. What they don’t know I though they had recordings of everything.

    narciso (d1f714)

  272. and Hillary Clinton will never be teh POTUS… heh!

    “CNN, MSNBC FAWN OVER ‘FREE’ ‘FEISTY’ HILLARY ‘FINDING HER GROOVE.”

    Meet the new Hillary – just the same as all of the old Hillaries.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/265927/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  273. the corrupt fbi sluts only investigate airy-fairy crap like “Russian suggestions” if they’ve been paid in advance and it’s not cheap

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  274. Lefties keep lashing out, mincing, rending their garments and gnashing their teeth in frustration. No wins…

    L-L-L-L-Losers.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  275. And for all his faults, modern day russia is more like one of the disfavored right wing client states, with some nasty company like Iran and cuba.

    narciso (d1f714)

  276. Like South Vietnam or Argentina, with nuclear weapons

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. Rip zbigniew brezinski.

    narciso (d1f714)

  278. Seems to me the fake media/Hillary acolytes are willing to completely disestablish our entire intelligence capability in the hope they can find something, maybe, they can hang on Trump and pray it’s illegal and can get some real impeachment going. Cause last I heard “cause he won and my bitch lost” is not Constitutional grounds for impeachment (but given the way the courts reinvent crap one never knows).

    The worst thing about living in the declining era of a great civilization is knowing that you are. — Robert A. Heinlein.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  279. Who the heck knows rev, it may be a Rubicon moment either way.

    narciso (d1f714)

  280. I sort of enjoy reading backwards through DCSCA’s comments.

    Leonard Shelby: These tracks are just a few days old.

    Teddy: What are you, Pocahontas?

    Memento

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  281. @246 Colonel Haiku

    His defense is he was starting a dance craze called “Whoop ’em Gangland Style.”

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  282. @213 narciso

    When they bring a phone, you bring a choke-slam.

    Pinandpuller (7dcb0d)

  283. I never pictured Stuart Smalley as a high school wrestler 🤼‍♀️

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/05/when-al-franken-body-slammed-a-demonstrator.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  284. So much for that, so they carry spare oxygen tanks for the hyperventilating

    https://mobile.twitter.com/julianborger/status/868461092737089540

    narciso (d1f714)

  285. Everybody here hyperventilating over the fact that a guy that would go physical in response to aggressive, insulting behavior just got elected in Montana should spend a few Saturday nights in some of Montana’s shit-kicking bars. Gianforte’s behavior was well within norms. Get in somebody’s face, you WILL be assaulted. Nobody calls the cops unless there’s property damage (“Hey! Take it outside.”) or it requires an overnight in the hospital.
    I’ve spent a portion of a Saturday night in four different Montana bars, widely spread geographically (Bozeman, Helena, Deer Lodge,and Kalispell) and temporally (over a period of 12years). There was a least one fight a night in each parking lot each night. “Western” culture is a “respect culture”, just as much as present day black culture, albeit with fists and an occasionally broken beer bottle instead of a 9mm.

    Any votes that Gianforte lost due to his actions were compensated for by people who voted for him because of that action.

    bud (b32f46)


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