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5/22/2017

At Least 20 Dead In England, Incident Being Treated As “Possible Terrorist Incident” (Updates Added)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:15 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Multiple news outlets are reporting:

At least 20 people were killed and possibly “hundreds” of others were injures after one or more loud bangs were heard Monday night at an Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena in England, multiple law enforcement told NBC News.

Law enforcement sources in both Britain and the United States told NBC News there were possibly two explosions. There was no immediate information on what kind of explosions occurred, and the sources stressed that the information was preliminary and subject to change.

Multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials who are monitoring British authorities told NBC News that preliminary reports indicate that a single explosion took place outside the arena on the southwest side opposite the train station. The explosion occurred as the concert ended, catching people as they exited.

According to Mark White, Sky News’ Home Affairs Correspondent, the incident at the Manchester Arena is being treated by law enforcement as a “possible terrorist incident”.

From an eyewitness:

Majid Khan, 22, said: ‘I and my sister, along with a lot of others were seeing Ariana Grande perform at Manchester Arena, and we were all exiting the venue when around 10.40-10,45pm-ish a huge bomb-like bang went off that hugely panicked everyone and we were all trying to flee the arena.

‘It was one bang and essentially everyone from the other side of the arena where the bang was heard from suddenly came running towards us.

‘Everyone was in a huge state of panic, calling each other as some had gone to the toilet whilst this had gone off, so it was just extremely disturbing for everyone there.’

Also, according to a concert attendee who was spoke to The Daily Mail, there were lots of children and families at the show.

Updates here.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

UPDATE 1: CBS News is reporting that the injuries were consistent with shrapnel and that there are indications that nail bombs were used:

The bombs seemed to have contained nails, and that “forms of shrapnel from this explosion have been injuring people.

UPDATE 2: NBC News is reporting that:

Multiple U.S. officials say UK authorities’ forensic evidence indicates incident at Manchester Arena was a suicide attack.

UPDATE 3: ISIS has claimed responsibility for the bombing. and A statement was released, saying that “a “caliphate soldier managed to place a number of devices among a gathering of crusaders in Manchester, and detonated them.”

UPDATE 4: Salmon Ramadan Abedi has been identified as the bomber. He was reportedly laready known to British authorities.

UPDATE 5: According to CBS News this morning, the death toll has raised to 29, with 59 people injured.

Note: There is a piece in The Independent this morning with the headline, “There’s only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before.” For the parents of 8 year old Saffie Rose Roussos, who was one of the victims in the terrorist attack, it will be impossible to carry on as before.

And there is this from the linked piece:

But if the intention of those who commit acts of terror is to disrupt ordinary life, then the only possible response is not to let that happen. That is not to say police should not track down who was responsible for such vile murder. That is not to say the security services should not step up their efforts and do all they can to stop a repeat of such slaughter.

Nor is it about what lots of Britons like to call the Dunkirk spirit, or about showing a stiff upper lip.

Rather, it is a merely an assessment of the options that are available to us, the ordinary people, those without superhuman powers.

We’re not actually equipped to do that much at all, other than to try to carry on, to not allow ourselves to be terrorised, to not stop living our lives. And that means means continuing with the general election May felt obliged to call, or keep on buying tickets to see the likes of Ariana Grande.

If the horror that played out in the aftermath of the 23-year-old singer’s concert inspires us all to do that, then she would indeed deserve the name dangerous woman.

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316 Responses to “At Least 20 Dead In England, Incident Being Treated As “Possible Terrorist Incident” (Updates Added)”

  1. Twenty dead sounds like an awful lot — it seems that it would take an explosion far more powerful than the crockpot bombs that the Tsarnaev brothers used at the Boston Marathon. This would seem to indicate that someone with access to the venue would be in on the attack, but I guess (hope) we’ll find out more down the road.

    JVW (42615e)

  2. When you think of entertainment venues you think bataclan, also not a few incidents in the Chechen conflict

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. Look at the passive aggressive collusion – Majid Khan, 22, said:

    You think he was the only mother[edit] available to make a statement?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  4. It’s a bit confusing, JVW, which isn’t unusual this early on of course, but I am now reading that two explosions were heard by concert attendees. As to whether someone with access to the venue would be in on the attack, read the following statement by one of the concert attendees. It’s so early in the investigation, and people at the site are obviously traumatized and it’s chaos, but the wording of this made me read it again:

    Another witness Jenny Brewster told MailOnline: ‘We were exiting the building when it happened. We’d headed towards the main doors as Ariana was performing the last song because we wanted to beat the crowds, but – as we made our way there – a wall of security men blocked it and told us to go the other way.

    ‘Seconds later they shouted ‘RUN!’ and the explosion happened right behind them. Hundreds of people were running and screaming. Those men saved our lives.’

    Why would they shout run *before* the explosion happened? How did they know the explosion was going to happen? Why wouldn’t security want concert goers to exit through the main exit? Did they know ahead of time that an explosion was going to happen?

    Dana (023079)

  5. From CBS News:

    CBS News confirms a large group of young girls are among the 19 dead following alleged terror attack at Ariana Grande concert in England.

    Dana (023079)

  6. I’m always puzzled about what people that do this kind of thing think it will accomplish.

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  7. They want to kill infidels, I think they make that crystal clear.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Dana (023079) — 5/22/2017 @ 5:32 pm

    I am thinking that some one one either tipped them off about the bomb, or the bomb was discovered and so the security knew to keep people away -perhaps hoping to deal with it and prevent a panic. Then perhaps whoever was monitoring the device realized that is was about to go off.

    felipe (023cc9)

  9. Dana @4. A suicide bomber with a bomb vest and a detonator in his hand may have pranced, strutted and proclaimed for a while, or had been cornered and was hesitating, before pushing the button.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. narciso is right. The death toll is what they want to accomplish.

    felipe (023cc9)

  11. The purpose of terror is to terrorize.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. nk (dbc370) — 5/22/2017 @ 5:49 pm

    Sounds very plausible – with the young girls as a human shield.

    felipe (023cc9)

  13. I suspect narciso is correct as well, just always wish there was a little more reasoning to that. It seems so weird that people get convinced of that, but I did hear that in Muslim communities that there are high rates of inbreeding.

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  14. There are reports of stampede injuries and possible deaths.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  15. They haven’t any compunction to kill innocents, and I have to dissent with the president it is practically an obligation in their faith to do so.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. If they had a bomber cornered, away from the crowd, why didn’t they just shoot him? Or is that not done anymore in the new Britain?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. I know people are hating on General Flynn right now, but I think he’s the one that correctly assessed Islam. It’s not a religion, it’s a political, economic, and legal system mimicking as a religion.

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  18. I don’t doubt it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. 16. No guns in Britain for the most part. Even police officers don’t often have guns (I hear).

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  20. The bomber could have, using a weapon, formed a human shield out of bystanders.

    felipe (023cc9)

  21. That will be enough speculation on my part.

    felipe (023cc9)

  22. That quite that they flung around
    Flynn, re laskar e toiba, ‘army of the faithful’ which carried out mumbai

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. Those subjects need to arm themselves. I can’t imagine having no weapons around.

    mg (31009b)

  24. I was only speculating.

    The British have had almost a century of experience with domestic terrorists. The IRA. (I guess there’s a lot of inbreeding among Irish Catholics too.) But Big Brother cannot watch everyone all the time.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. I think I heard Britain even banned pointed knives from being sold in the country. They have rounded tip kitchen knives.

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  26. How often did the ira attack entertainment venues even in Ulster areas

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. If the report from the young woman is accurate, the security people mentioned seemed to have known something was amiss ahead of time.

    Another possibility: They were in on it.

    Dana (023079)

  28. They should attempt rounding up terrorizing muzzies.

    mg (31009b)

  29. Reuters is reporting that “two U.S. officials said a suicide bomber was suspected in the explosion.”

    Dana (023079)

  30. 27. Because it sounds like the bombing happened outside the concert hall. Security may have been stopping someone trying to make an incursion into the venue. I wouldn’t jump at saying they were in on it.

    Dejectedhead (1cb15d)

  31. How often did the ira attack entertainment venues even in Ulster areas

    Especially those which draw adolescent and teenage girls.

    JVW (42615e)

  32. Barbaric acts by the uncivilized has become the norm.

    mg (31009b)

  33. Dejectedhead,

    I wasn’t saying *they were* indeed in on it. I just threw it out as a possibility- obviously understanding we are all just speculating at this point.

    Dana (023079)

  34. I consulted their calendar and it falls of the 25th of Shabbat, I remember that month from the first season of sleeper cell

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. Keep calm and carry on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZz_gSY-_M

    “I hate the British! You are defeated but you have no shame. You are stubborn but you have no pride. You endure but you have no courage.” – Colonel Saito [Sessue Hayakawa] ‘Bridge On The River Kwai’ 1957

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Horrible:

    CBS News confirms there were two explosions at the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, Englad – the devices contained nails.

    Dana (023079)

  37. Not in the mood for your oh so precious von mots, man of mystery.

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. “Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence” was gayer.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. @38. Watch the video, jackazz.

    I cried.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. 35. The spotter/coordinator tactics are real.

    Thanks a lot for messing up my schtick, asshole!

    – Zayn Malik

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  41. Hell, the Brits can handle crap like this w/ease.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. How often did the ira attack entertainment venues even in Ulster areas

    Enniskillen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

    Pubs were a favorite target too:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_pub_bombings

    Spartacvs (78b759)

  43. Ok that was 30 years ago, similar to the first two incidents

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. @19. They do carry firearms now. In the half-decade we lived there it was just becoming policy– at least in the major cities like London– and they blamed the influence of American culture for it. Case in point– at a social gather meeting some Brits for the first time, the first thing they asked us was where we Americans kept out guns. And they were stunned to learn we didn’t own any.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. Bystander interviews reveal a shocking inability to speak the English language.

    ropelight (9fd598)

  46. The IRA was a bigger PITA back in the day– hell, they blew up Mountbatten on his boat. The Brits will take this to ground and deal w/it according. They are very good.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. Missing the point, they have thousands who are willing to carry out the act and tens of thousands of not hinfreds who agree with the sentiment.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. @48- Thousand, eh. Venting hot gas out the aft end of your service module again, narciso.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. Not too long after Mountbatten’s assassination, Princess Margaret visited Chicago. Mayor Jane Byrne offered her condolences, and Princess Margaret responded: “Those Irish pigs! … Oh, you’re Irish!” Which Jane was.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. “The Dolphinarium discotheque massacre was a Hamas terror attack on 1 June 2001 in which a Hamas-affiliated Islamist terrorist blew himself up outside a nightclub on the beachfront in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 21 Israelis, 16 of them teenagers. The majority of the victims were teenage girls, whose families had recently immigrated from the former Soviet Union.”-Wikipedia

    There are enough Muslims in Europe now to support more sophisticated terror operations, and more of them.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  51. @50. Ever eat with one? They are pigs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. Thousands – if you watched Fox as avidly as nabisco you’d consider his estimate conservative.

    Spartacvs (78b759)

  53. Islamic state al queda sympathizers I’m low balling the number

    https://mobile.twitter.com/News_Executive/status/866827388159754240

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. @53- No kidding.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. narciso is right. Yeah, Scotland Yard will eventually arrest three jihadist conspirators, try them, convict them, and sentence them to life terms, but left alone will be the mosque and imam where they probably spouted off anti-Western rhetoric during prayers for the past four years and the Muslim social clubs in Manchester (or wherever they lived) full of young men who menace Westerners on the streets and openly express hatred of Jews and other infidels. Britain doesn’t want to go too deep into the rabbit hole, because what they might discover could challenge some of their more banal multicultural assumptions.

    But the wonton killing of young girls was probably a huge mistake, as even some leftist feminists who share an anti-Western sentiment with the jihadists aren’t going to be too happy. We will probably hear fewer “Yes, but you have to understand it from the perspective of the marginalized Asian. . .” speeches than we otherwise might.

    JVW (42615e)

  56. @54. Nabisco, crackers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. Nk, Princess Margaret should be glad Peter King just wasn’t hosting a regatta on Long Island sound.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  58. @56. Rubbish. What rot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Not too long after Mountbatten’s assassination, Princess Margaret visited Chicago. Mayor Jane Byrne offered her condolences, and Princess Margaret responded: “Those Irish pigs! … Oh, you’re Irish!” Which Jane was.

    Princess Margaret was a salty broad. My kind of gal. I forget the particulars, but when she had her affair with Captain Townsend and her sister told her she had to quit him, she told the Queen something along the lines of any woman would be stupid to give up such great sex, and she would be dammed if it would be her. But as I recall the story she used much more coarse language.

    JVW (42615e)

  60. All of Hoagie kind of Asians in Britain should demand a different term, even Oriental if need be.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  61. That’s neither hear nor there, provos as general proposition were not suicide nombers

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. Required reading for the “IRA was just as bad” idiots:

    http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-strange-death-of-europe-9781472942241/

    harkin (f65e7e)

  63. Yes it’s a very particular subset from Afghanistan to Bangladesh, because arabd are in asia

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. Yes, DCSCA, I have eaten with many an Irishman. And Irishwoman. At my home and at their homes. They’re the majority (by a large margin) of my friends and neighbors for the last 15 years. And they eat just fine.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. @65. Sober? The micks we knew in the UK were sober two hours- for church.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. The Empire will strike back.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. You don’t even need to combine explosives and projectiles as Great White proved.

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  68. Attention addicted bloodthirsty terrorists just can’t stand around and let Trump, the Saudi Arabians, and Netanyahu dominate the news with plans to work together toward Middle East peace and economic cooperation.

    No! Can’t have that. In a peaceful world there wouldn’t be any need for murderous animals posing as holy men to slaughter women and children in the name of a God who wouldn’t piss on their heads if their hair was on fire.

    ropelight (9fd598)

  69. TMZ reports:

    A publicist for Ariana Grande has confirmed that the pop singer is safe following a deadly explosion during her concert in Manchester, England, on Monday night.

    Ariana “is OK. We are further investigating what happened,” said her publicist, Joseph Carozza, in a statement.

    No worries then. And the next concert date will be…

    Let me get back to you on the next tour date.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  70. @70. Here’s a clever idea- let’s pour $350 billion worth of arms into the region over 10 years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. It has nothing to do with the ira, good gravy, and when I think nail bomb, there is a common practice I dare not speak.

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. @71- Her next scheduled venue was in London, jackass.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. The IRA did not generally attack soft targets in England. Mountbattan was a Royal and a legitimate target, as was Maggie Thatcher. As were soldiers and police. It was a civil war.

    Only the Harrods bombing was against civilians and unwarned. (And in Ulster, the IRA and the Unionists were both terrible).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  74. Reading in UK news reports that bomb went off outside concert just after it concluded and people were exiting. Read one quote from a kid who was fine but her granddad who was waiting outside had an artery cut by flying glass.

    harkin (f65e7e)

  75. I’d like to project some Ariana Grande at Bill Ayer’s house a la Manuel Noriega.

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  76. @71- Her next scheduled venue was in London, jackass.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

    You sound worried. Maybe those millions of subjects who voted for Brexit were on to something.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  77. @75. Indeed. Could tell you a personal story about that involving Hyde Park, model rockets, batteries, and the Marble Arch police station but it’s too long.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. @73 narciso

    Seems like timers would be more reliable than radio frequencies at a venue where people are on wireless mics and such.

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  79. @78- Never ever worry about Britons.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. Kevin, the point was that the British have had long experience with domestic terrorists. Who move amongst the people as the fish swims in the sea. (Mao.)

    nk (dbc370)

  81. @79 DCSCA

    Did it have anything to do with Girls Girls Girls?

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  82. @83. No but apparently the British Army bomb disposal squad was winging in for an appearance from Wales on a C-130.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. The think about being in a Kingdom, there’s no svch thing as an inalienable right in a Kingdom.

    So if the Lords and commoners decide in their wisdom that muslims should be taxed at triple the rate of a human being, nobody is a hypocrite. We have done this before.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  84. And my earliest memory of the use of nail bombs is that they were used by the IRA in a very potent form — layers of nails around blocks of TNT.

    nk (dbc370)

  85. @82. They do. And they are very, very good– albeit through too many tragic experiences – at dealing w/it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. @82 nk

    More like the people who imported kudzu and destructive animal species with no natural predators.

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  87. France just had a vote. They want all your disgruntled, ungrateful, malicious Muslims.
    The people have spoken. You could turn the Chunnel into a one way check valve in no time.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  88. @87. Car bombs were the popular toy in my time there. The bastards woulds park them along a confined residential street in London, call in and give a few minutes notice — and boom! Really sucked for a time walking around town until they got smart monitoring vehicles parked for more than a certain amount of time unattended.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. @86 papertiger

    You got that backwards. It’s three times the welfare benefits.

    Pinandpuller (0507fa)

  90. They never stop till they reach their objection

    https://mobile.twitter.com/robcrilly/status/866842041468243968

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. Kevin, the point was that the British have had long experience with domestic terrorists

    I suspect they have forgotten more than they know. Perhaps some Israelis could give them pointers about suicide bombers.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  92. So if the Lords and commoners decide in their wisdom that muslims should be taxed at triple the rate of a human being, nobody is a hypocrite

    Catholics did not have full civil rights until at least 1829, so there is precedent for religious tests and limits when based on the security of the state. Even today, the monarch must be Anglican.

    Of course, those restrictions had to do with the clear and present danger of Catholic Rule, as evidenced by Queen Mary, King Charles I, King James II and a series of wars and plots aimed at restoring Catholic rule.

    No one in England t0day would say today that there is any danger from Muslims, not that they seek to rule by an alien code of law. And they’d better NOT!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  93. Talk to wrong way Cornyn lately, George Galloway, that’s a little too definitive, of course there’s Mr beautiful mosaic, safiq khan.

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. Corbyn. Not a few labour backbenchers

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. @95. Don’t bet on it. The Brits have been handling this sort of crap long before Israel even existed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. “….my earliest memory of the use of nail bombs is that they were used by the IRA in a very potent form”

    I think mine is the one intended for a dance at Fort Dix in 1970 that exploded prematurely in a Greenwich Village brownstone and killed three domestic terrorists.

    That bomb btw was designed by Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers and the explosion killed his girlfriend.

    harkin (f65e7e)

  97. Perhaps some Israelis could give them pointers about suicide bombers.

    And Israel is a militarized police state. But terrorists still get through. For those who want to argue complacency and political correctness on the part of the victims.

    nk (dbc370)

  98. Fenians, weren’t much into that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. @101- The two that stay w/me is when the IRA blew out half the observation deck of what was then called the GPO Tower in Central London– then the Mountbatten killing. Incredibly ballsy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. CNN is reporting that “a male at the scene has been identified as the probable attacker.”

    Dana (c1d317)

  101. broken.
    from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry.
    i don’t have words.

    https://twitter.com/ArianaGrande/status/866849021519966208

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  102. It is also the sad anniversary of the Lee Rigby slaying, four years ago, odds the subject was a choudary fan, high.

    narciso (d1f714)

  103. The UK is now actively watching nearly 3,500 people (including 400 ISIS-trained fighters who have returned from Syria and Iraq) as potential terrorists….

    But no problem, keep importing more and tolerance will win them over.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/782647/London-terror-attack-3-500-potential-terrorists-monitored-less

    harkin (f65e7e)

  104. There may come a day when Muslims are suddenly unwelcome in Europe and offered a free trip “home”, never mind they were born there, and all the silent majority of Muslims will be unable to understand where it went wrong.

    (Spoiler: it was looking the other way for all those years)

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  105. Sober? The micks we knew in the UK were sober two hours- for church.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/22/2017 @ 7:10 pm

    Casual racism. How cute.

    NJRob (1d6111)

  106. Meanwhile, back at The Ranch, appearing nightly, three shows, two drink minimum:

    The President Just Told a Room of Israelis That He “Just Got Back From the Middle East”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/22/trump_to_israelis_we_just_got_back_from_the_middle_east.html

    “Ya hockey puck!’ – Dead Don Rickles, Vegas insult comic

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. @110- Cuter, six pack and potatoman: blatant stereotyping.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  108. Capone was handy with a,satchel bomb, are looking for Luigi vercotti, no.

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. The funny thing about the English — there’s quite a bit of alcoholism there, too. But they aren’t Irish, so it’s seen differently. It’s kind of like the difference between “crazy” and “eccentric.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  110. @114- Or between Guinness and Glenfiddich.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. but left alone will be the mosque and imam where they probably spouted off anti-Western rhetoric during prayers for the past four years and the Muslim social clubs…

    Yes, JVW. And the over 800 British Muslims who have gone to the ME to fight the jihad.

    I can’t even cry anymore, I’m just angry!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  112. I know Patricia, and we know this fellow was likely known to the authorities and yet they did nothing, supposedly because they are short staffed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  113. 101. harkin (f65e7e) — 5/22/2017 @ 8:15 pm

    I think mine is the one intended for a dance at Fort Dix in 1970 that exploded prematurely in a Greenwich Village brownstone and killed three domestic terrorists.

    That bomb btw was designed by Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers and the explosion killed his girlfriend.

    That was not intended for Fort Dix. They had maps of the Columbia University campus.

    It was intended for either the Butler or possibly the Low library.

    But, a dozen years later after 1970, Barack Obama used to hang out there at the Butler library. So, when Bill Ayers got to know Barack Obama, they retroactively changed the target to Fort Dix! I think that, at a certain point, it just wasn’t a good idea for Bill Ayers to let it stand that Columbia Uniiversity was the target:

    http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama

    The next day he moved into the apartment with fellow Occidental College transfer Phil Boerner. Boerner, who remained Obama’s friend throughout his college years, describes the apartment as a third story walkup with a railroad layout and a missing doorbell….The heating frequently failed, one of the reasons Obama wound up spending so much time in Butler Library… When he was on campus, Obama concentrated on academic work, spending most of his time in Butler Library “like a monk”, and made few friends.

    No, not a good idea for Bill Ayers in the mid-1990s for that to have been the target.

    Nbody thought anything about Fort Dix for some 25 or more years. The idea that Fort Dix was a target is solely based on the word of the Weathermen, who had never before named anything as a target. (and Bill Ayers didn’t get all of them to say it.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village_townhouse_explosion

    Former members of the Weathermen later advanced differing claims as to the planned uses of the bombs. According to Mark Rudd, the plan was to set them off that evening at a dance for noncommissioned officers and their dates at the Fort Dix, New Jersey Army base, to “bring the [Vietnam] war home”.[3] Other reports say that some were destined for the Fort Dix dance and some were to destroy the main library at Columbia University.

    The Mark Rudd reference is from 2005, but I think they first started saying Ft. Dix around the time Bill Ayers became acquainted with Barack Obama.

    And see this, written by somebody in the year 2000 who didn’t get the latest version:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/05/nyregion/the-house-on-west-11th-street.html

    The explosion, which became front page news and sent a shock wave through the city, was caused by the accidental detonation of dynamite in a subbasement bomb factory. Young radicals from the Weathermen were making bombs to destroy property, beginning with the main library at Columbia University.

    In 2003, we’ve got:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/24/nyregion/quieter-lives-for-60-s-militants-but-intensity-of-beliefs-hasn-t-faded.html

    Professor Klehr also took a dim view of the often stated account that after the town house explosion, the Weathermen resolved to take no lives, and that in the string of bombings that followed, no one was seriously injured. He points out that members have said the explosives at the town house were intended for an officers’ dance at Fort Dix in New Jersey and for Butler Library at Columbia University.

    (Just putting two and two together)

    P.S. One of the things that the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion illustrates is how hard it is for amateurs to put together a bomb that works. Either it fails to make a big explosion or it explodes too soon. The fact that has not happened recently with Islamic terrorists indicates real professional training and probably atleast a temporary a safe haven. Bomb building requires hands on training. It cannot be learned from books or videos.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  114. It wouldn’t sense to blow up Columbia sammeh, bill Ayers was a Che wannabe as such he wanted to kill soldiers. Like those kosovars tried 37 years later.

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. 117. narciso (d1f714) — 5/22/2017 @ 9:32 pm

    we know this fellow was likely known to the authorities and yet they did nothing,

    If the account in #4 is correct, he was known before the bomb exploded, but they weren’t sure enough to shoot him. Another explanation: There were two explosions, but the one that came first was very small, but served as a warning (except then you wouldn;t be sure where a possible second bomb was.

    supposedly because they are short staffed.

    That’s what the French say.

    I would say: Go after the teachers, not the students. Look for the bomb-makers, not the bomb-carriers. Israel killed a few bomb makers and put an end to that kind of death. And especially look for a trainer of bomb makers.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  116. Radicals in the 1960s hated universities, and saw them as central to military technology – a much better target than a few stray soldiers. Where do you hear this thing about Bil Ayers wanting to be like Che and liking regular combat?

    Yes, they organzied themselves somewhat based oon Che uevara’s “foco” theory, but that doesn’t say anything about soldiers. They’d want their acts to be significant, and ordinary soldiers wouldn’t fit into that.

    Bill Ayers also claimed in his interview, published in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, that a typical weatherman safe house would have a picture of Che Guevara in the bedroom – but even if true Che Guevara was a political figure.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  117. They were the cogs in the war machine ‘bricks in the wall’ tbe weatherman got much of their training in cuba.

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. R.I.P. Dina Merrill, actress

    (Costarred with Cary Grant & Tony Curtis in one of my favorite comedies, Operation Petticoat)

    Icy (155446)

  119. 122. They got some kind of training, but not good enough.

    The Puerto Rican FALN terroists also weren’t so good at manufacturing bombs.

    http://archives.law.virginia.edu/dengrove/writeup/faln-bomb-maker-william-morales-trial

    On July 12, 1978, FALN member William Morales was building a bomb in a Queens apartment when the device exploded, blowing off both of his hands, destroying one eye, and damaging part of his face.

    He was their chief bomb maker.

    Earlier some bombs had worked and not expoded prenaturely.

    And they didn’t attack soldiers either.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  120. Meanwhile, back at The Ranch, appearing nightly, three shows, two drink minimum:

    The President Just Told a Room of Israelis That He “Just Got Back From the Middle East”

    “Ya hockey puck!’ – Dead Don Rickles, Vegas insult comic

    He could have said, “Nice to be back in civilization.” but then the barbarians would have started in ululating. And the commies at the Times would have pretended to take offense for a month.

    Nobody needs that.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  121. He might have missed which region but Trump is the first President to get the country right.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/trump-admin-declares-jerusalem-part-israel-major-policy-shift/

    Trump Admin Declares Jerusalem Part of Israel in Major Policy Shift

    papertiger (c8116c)

  122. @126- Don’t be too sure he’s not talking about Jerusalem, RI. It’s his kinda town.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. 52 DCSCA
    As a Irishman, I would enjoy ripping your head off and craping down your throat.
    Bona petite,prick.

    mg (31009b)

  124. wonder if Ariana Grande will now have a different perspective on terrorists, refugees, illegal immigrants and open borders?…

    Where’s Trump on Twitter calling out Islamic radicalism?!

    PolitixFireball (e1dec4)

  125. Now some would think that razing a radical mosque and deporting the imam would be a reasonable thing to do, but that would make them look like that racist Trump guy. ANd what other people think of them is more important than their citizens’ lives.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  126. @128 @52

    It’s amazing what bile people will ooze when they’re hiding behind a screen. On the internet no one knows you’re an assh0le. Oh, wait, yes they do.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  127. Unless we are to believe British music fans who can’t stand Ariana Grande and have disliked her on Facebook are resorting to suicide nail-bombs, the connection to Islamic terrorism is obvious. I’m not at all certain that the May government would reveal the facts as they become known, just as the Merkel government tried to cover up the mass Muslim sexual assault/rape attacks on New Years Eve/early New Years morning in 2016, and the Rotherham city council covered up the Muslim child sex grooming/trafficking ring for years.

    But as I said, the connection is obvious. So the next step is to say Islamic terrorism is not Islamic. I don’t believe even the fools who spout that nonsense believe it. But maybe there are such fools who can say things like that and actually believe it.

    Really, terrorism has nothing to do with Islam? Allah certainly thought it did.

    Surah 3:151

    We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

    Surah 8:12

    [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

    Not only did Allah command Muslims to terrorize disbelievers, he even tells them how to do it (in multiple verses aside from this one. “Strike upon the necks.” You know, just like those un-Islamic Islamic state murderers, whose beheading videos are wildly popular with the peaceful, moderate Muslims who are practicing the true Islam.

    Just like Michael Adebolajo did to Drummer Rigby four years ago to the day (coincidence?) when he and his accomplices murdered him in London.

    But Muslims are constantly telling me I’m taking these verses out out context. Apparently there’s some context that makes the commands that Muslims are to terrorize disbelievers and behead them peaceful. Maybe by terrorize Allah meant make them some chicken and hummus, and “strike upon the necks” means give them free haircuts. I’ve looked into this idea that there’s a mythical context that I can’t find as when I look at the direct literary context, the overall scriptural context, and the historical context and in those contexts these verses mean exactly what they appear to mean.

    But I don’t want to write a book. So what’s a quick way to establish the context. What to do, what to do?

    Oh, I know! We’ll ask Muhammad! After all, Allah did say that if Muslims want to see paradise then Muhammad is their pattern; i.e. they must emulate Muhammad.

    Surah 33:21

    There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

    Hey, Muhammad, how did you understand these verses about terrorizing disbelievers?

    Sahih al-Bukhari – Book of Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)- (122) Chapter: “I have been made victorious…”

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Messenger has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2977
    In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 186
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 220
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

    Abu Sufyan said, “Heraclius sent for me when I was in ‘llya’ (i.e. Jerusalem). Then he asked for the letter of Allah’s Messenger and when he had finished its reading there was a great hue and cry around him and the voices grew louder and we were asked to quit the place. When we were turned out, I said to my companions, ‘The cause of Ibn Abi Kabsha has become conspicuous as the King of Bani Al- Asfar is afraid of him.’ ”

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2978
    In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 187
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 221
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    See, it’s all nice and peaceful as Muhammad didn’t understand these verses to mean Muslims should actually…no, wait.

    Muhammad had the exact same understanding of those verses as the members of the Islamic State and al Qaeda. The verses literally mean terrorize disbelievers.

    Tell me again how the terrorists are perverting Islam when the terrorists are following the example of Muhammad, as Allah commands them to do if they want to see paradise on judgement day, and Muhammad himself says he was made victorious in Jihad through terror, both of which Allah commanded him and all Muslims to do? Wage religious holy war to convert or subjugate disbelievers, and terrorize them until they submit.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  128. Good speech being given bym I think, British Prime Minsiter Theresa May.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  129. Actually this was a short while ago.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  130. 22 dead, 59 injured. That’s a high ratio of dead to wounded. Theresa May said we struggle to understand who can see this as an opportunity for carnage. Mentoned something about an ideology. They have not yet confirmed the name of he perpetrator.

    One thing – no way this person acted alone, because it’s not the kind of thing a person can do on his own.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  131. She said something like (compressing this) : Politicians always say that the terrorists will not win. It is no less true despite the fact we have been here before. (?)

    She called it a pop concert.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  132. @Steve57 If this is Islamic, why does this suddenly appear now, in this and maybe the previous, generation? There have never been Muslims before in close proximity to non-Muslims? Muslims became less religious, but now some are returning to their roots, which was to kill infidels at every opportunity? This is not the explanation.

    The context of those verses is war, and following orders from a caliph. This cannot be described as anything resembling any kind of war, and Abu Bakr al Bagdadi cannot be described as a caliph. Pretty weak tea, I guess.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  133. The Great White fire, had it happened in suburban Chicago and not R.I., would have been karmic revenge for the E2 nightclub stampede that happened 3 days earlier.

    urbanleftbehind (677d15)

  134. Did not the gitmo detainee who blew himself up in syria, choose the Kunya Abu hureira?

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. Sammeh there is a process called abrogation where the benign passages are ignored in favor of the earlier more blood thirsty ones

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. Where’s Trump on Twitter calling out Islamic radicalism?!

    Perhaps you missed it, as the MSM ignored it as well, but Trump was calling out Islamic radicalism not on Twitter but IN SAUDI ARABIA. Jeeze Louise…


    That means honestly confronting the crisis of Islamist extremism and the Islamist terror groups it inspires. And it means standing together against the murder of innocent Muslims, the oppression of women, the persecution of Jews, and the slaughter of Christians.

    “This is a battle between good and evil,” Trump said. “Drive them out of your places of worship. Drive them out of your communities. Drive them out of your Holy Land. And drive them out of this earth.”

    And it means standing together against the murder of innocent Muslims, the oppression of women, the persecution of Jews, and the slaughter of Christians. Religious leaders must make this absolutely clear — barbarism will deliver you no glory. Piety to evil will bring you no dignity. If you choose the path of terror, your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and your soul will be fully condemned. And political leaders must speak out to affirm the same idea. Heroes don’t kill innocents; they save them.

    WTP (5b282a)

  137. That’s why man of mystery’s squirrel say particularly poorly with me, there’s nothing about Christianity that commands combat or murder.

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. Sammy Finkelman (c31643) — 5/23/2017 @ 3:41 am

    Sammy, your vision in this matter is most parochial. The “Muslim” matter is not sudden at all. What appears to be “sudden” is the latest reported terrorism. This “sudden” should be applied not the the terrorist activity, but to the reporting and to our awareness of it.

    I believe that the various “levels” of terrorist activity can be tied to the percentage of Muslims to the general population. Like an infection, the infected may be asymptomatic until a certain point when the infection, now grown sufficiently, adversely affects the infected.

    The West has a compromised immunity defense response in that the media continues misreporting serious information about the problem.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  139. Where’s Trump on Twitter calling out Islamic radicalism?!

    He did tweet about terrorism at the Saudi Summit. It was an effective tweet that would reach more people than news reports on the Summit.

    He offered solidarity with the UK after yesterday’s attack but, to his credit, he didn’t talk about terrorism. The time for that is after the UK authorities make that determination.

    DRJ (15874d)

  140. He’s a much better President when he is traveling and more dependent on his staff, so presumably he listens to them instead of only his gut instincts. Or maybe he’s just too busy to get bored or distracted the way he does in DC. Alternatively, I wonder if he might do better living at Trump Tower, with secure video feeds to the White House. He’s like a fish out of water in DC.

    DRJ (15874d)

  141. Correction hureira was the Kunya of the tried to target in yemen in january.

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. What is it they exactly do in dc, it’s not come up with a budget otherwise we wouldn’t have needed a stop ga some weeks ago, it’s not swiftly approve the nominees he has sent up, it seems to be more about grandstanding and crediting liars like comey and clapper.

    narciso (d1f714)

  143. It is,alleged he informed the Russian foreign minister because a complete laptop ban is serious business and some worm blabbed it to the world blabbed it to the world.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. Rip roger Moore

    From the sky news there are a series of arrests in Charlton? and wally fields

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Walley range, excuse me.

    Just a part of living in a diverse community right mayor khan?

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Depends on what the meaning of “sudden” is, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2)

  147. I guess they will next be hired by bezos, the hill is also the ones there is nothing strange with the Seth rich matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. One of those crying crocodile tears mow:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28934992

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. So much doubletalk, blameshifting as if we can just ignore the consequences of creating londonistan and other hamlets

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. 140. narciso (d1f714) — 5/23/2017 @ 6:05 am

    Sammeh there is a process called abrogation where the benign passages are ignored in favor of the earlier more blood thirsty ones

    That’s true. Passages in the Koran contradict or come close to contradicting each other, and the more usual thing is not to attempt to resolve the contradictions, but to say the later ones overrule the earlier oes, and the later ones are more bloodthirsty. But even the more bloodthirsty ones don’t call for killing people at random, and outside of any plausible plan for military victory.

    This idea was never heard of until the justifications for killing civilians who were citizens of enemy states at random were written by Max von Oppenheim in 1914 and circulated by Imperial Germany, and the fatwas can probably be found somewhere in the archives in Berlin in the original German. And it didn’t work during World War I. It was too new. It requires quite a build-up and intense indoctrination to get someone to that point. Every person doing this, with almost no exception, is either a “born-again” Muslim or a convert.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  151. You ask where did this come it came the nejd region the home of the ilkwan, they were the djinn loosed upon the world

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. Maybe, Sammy, we’re just seeing this now because up until recently along the timeline of Islamic history the Muslim jihadists didn’t have passenger jets or large commercial trucks and couldn’t make suicide vests. Ever thought of that, Sammy?

    But we, the entire world wherever it intersects with the Islamic world, have been seeing Jihad since the dawn of Islam. It’s just that in order to conquer Spain by the end of the seventh century and get half way across France where the jihadis were defeated by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. they had to send large conventional armies. Ever thought of that Sammy.

    And back then Europeans weren’t so stupid as to welcome invading armies as refugees or migrants.

    Same goes for the Indians. Muslim invaders killed a lowball estimate of 50 million to plausibly 120 million Indians between 1000 and 1500 A.D. Although most historians go with a figure of 80 million. That’s a pretty impressive slaughter considering they had to use swords, spears, and bows and arrows. Speaking of impressive slaughters, Muslim generals used to compete to see who could build the tallest mountains of Hindu skulls. In order to terrorize and intimidate the Hindus. The Muslims wiped out the entire population of what is now Afghanistan but backed then consisted of a patchwork of Hindu and Buddhist principalities and kingdoms, something not even the Mongols would have done (Marco Polo who served at the court of Kublai Khan reported that the Great Khan was so disgusted with the rapaciousness, greed, and cruelty of one of his Muslim governors that he summoned all his Muslim governors and commanded them that they could not perform some of the actions they claimed their religion required). After they had finished their genocide (although they didn’t kill all the Buddhist and Hindus, they enslaved many) they renamed the mountain range that lies roughly between what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan “Hindu Kush.”

    In Persian Hindu Kush means “Slaughter of the Hindus” or “Hindu Killer.” Muslims back then were proud of their slaughters and liked to commemorate them. They still are. Look at who the Palestinians like to name schools after.

    Do you remember when the Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas in 2001, Sammy? Ever wonder who built them, or have you for some reason thought Afghanistan has always be a Muslim state? It wasn’t. There used to be Buddhists there. Until the Muslims wiped them all out 1000 years ago.

    Back in the European theater of Jihad Muslim pirates raided all along the southern coast of Europe for booty and slaves, primarily women and children. They sacked Rome in 846.

    After their defeat at the naval Battle of Lepanto in 1571 (and later on land the Ottoman defeat at the Battle of Vienna in 1683) the Ottomans understood that they weren’t strong enough to challenge the Europeans anymore in conventional battle (this was not true yet in India, BTW, although the Hindus never stopped fighting until they were able to overthrow their Muslim emperors at approximately the beginning of the nineteenth century). But the Ottomans authorized the piracy and slaving to continue as a form of “asymmetric warfare.” In other words, a form of terrorism.

    They continued to raid along the southern European coast wherever they could. They also raided along the Atlantic coast of Europe as far north as Ireland. In 1631 a fleet of Ottoman slavers from the Barbary Coast of North Africa sacked the village of Baltimore, West Cork.

    And since you apparently know nothing of the history of offensive Jihad which Muhammad commanded was a religious obligation imposed on Muslims whenever they were strong enough to engage in it, it was because the slavers and pirates of the Barbary Coast were seizing American ships and enslaving their crews that we actually built a Navy and in 1801 newly elected President Jefferson sent it to the Mediterranean to fight the first Barbary Coast war.

    http://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Books/Jihad-in-the-days-of-Jefferson

    …In 1783, Muslim pirates – the sea-faring terrorists of their day – began attacking American merchant vessels in the Mediterranean, and the following year, the Moroccans captured a brig called Betsey and enslaved its crew. Soon afterwards, the ruler of Algiers declared war on the US, a declaration backed up by marauding corsairs. The situation worsened with each coming year, but for the life of them, the Americans could not figure out what they did to make themselves so hated. In May 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then both diplomats in Europe, met with Tripoli’s ambassador to London. Why did the North Africans attack ships of a country that had done nothing to provoke such hostility, the two asked him. The response was unnerving. As Adams and Jefferson later reported to the Continental Congress, the ambassador said the raids were a jihad against infidels. Muslim privateers felt “it was their duty to make war upon them [non-Muslims] wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could as Prisoners, and that every Mussleman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    What the h3ll do you mean, why are we just seeing this now? The Arab wars of conquest against the West/Islamic holy war has been ongoing for 1400 years with only short breaks when they perceived that West had grown so strong it would be suicidal for the Muslims to attempt offensive Jihad. It’s now back because in Muslim eyes we’re no longer the strong horse. It’s not that they think they can defeat the US or really any European power conventionally. But increasingly since the end of WWII the Muslims have come to understand that they don’t have to. Western civilization has become self-defeating. We won’t defend ourselves. The leadership of AQ was actually surprised when Bush ordered the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. They were convinced we’d never respond to any provocation, which could only mean we’re afraid of them.

    With Obama the Muslim world thought we were back to our old predictable post-WWII, post-Vietnam selves, as the Europeans had become earlier. For one reason, when the Muslims attack us for the same reasons the Tripolitan ambassador told Jefferson that Tripoli was attacking American ships, because it’s their religious duty, we now deny the truths that Jefferson would not. We no grovel. We say the attacks have nothing to do with Islam, that Islam is a religion of peace, that Islam is tolerant of non-Muslims, etc., when it’s obvious to anyone with eyes to see and can read at an eighth grade level that none of that is true. So the entire Muslim world (including the large chunk of which does not support this terrorism) thinks we really can’t be that stupid. They know what their religion preaches. They read it in their scriptures and hear it in their Mosques every Friday. There can only be one reason we’d lie like that on behalf of the ideology that tells Muslims to attack us. We are weak and afraid.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  153. You would think knowing the enemy, would be to show proper respect? Don’t ridicule people whose faith is great enough to want to kill you, but you can ask major Coughlin how that worked out, or that professor at West point was it?

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. Sammy Finkelman (c31643) — 5/23/2017 @ 7:24 am

    But even the more bloodthirsty ones don’t call for killing people at random, and outside of any plausible plan for military victory.

    You really need to study Islamic history.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  155. Meanwhile, Brennan confesses to spying on some witting or unwitting US persons in contact with Russian persons while ignoring others.

    crazy (d3b449)

  156. narciso (d1f714) — 5/23/2017 @ 7:37 am

    You would think knowing the enemy, would be to show proper respect? Don’t ridicule people whose faith is great enough to want to kill you

    I’d prefer to ask Halsey, or Spruance, or Nimitz, or even MacArthur. They knew the enemy very well, who had a faith great enough to make them want to kill us so badly they would kill themselves trying.

    But showing an enemy proper respect has never included lying to cover for the enemy’s motivating ideology. I don’t recall anyone ever praising Shinto. In fact, MacArthur as military ruler of Japan banned it from playing any role in government or from being taught in schools.

    We need to tear a page from his book, because he and those other guys I mentioned fought the last war against religious fanatics who believed they’d go to heaven committing murder-suicide for their god that the US has ever won.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  157. But even the more bloodthirsty ones don’t call for killing people at random, and outside of any plausible plan for military victory.

    Do you even own a Koran, Sammy? Because you act as if you’ve never read one single word in it.

    This idea was never heard of until the justifications for killing civilians who were citizens of enemy states at random were written by Max von Oppenheim in 1914 and circulated by Imperial Germany, and the fatwas can probably be found somewhere in the archives in Berlin in the original German. And it didn’t work during World War I. It was too new. It requires quite a build-up and intense indoctrination to get someone to that point. Every person doing this, with almost no exception, is either a “born-again” Muslim or a convert.

    Where do you come up with this ridiculous propaganda? Max von Oppenheim? What has he to do with allah and mohammad? The proof is your bastardization of the term “born again” witch has nothing to do with nor is ever mentioned in Islam. It is a Christian term, look it up. Someone who converts to Islam is the exact opposite of someone born again in the Spirit of Christ.

    Wow, you are horribly misinformed.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  158. I’ve added quite a few updates to the post this morning.

    Dana (023079)

  159. Abedi certainly sounds Asian, Pakistan is my best bet

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. Thanks dana.

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. From Caroline Glick this morning:

    It’s ironic and inappropriate for President Trump to be meeting with PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas the morning after the suicide bombing in Manchester.
    The PLO is the architect of modern terrorism. They invented its methods and then worked hand in glove with Hamas which introduced suicide bombings to the West.

    Not incidentally, Britain’s first suicide bombers blew up Mike’s Place night club in Tel Aviv, adjacent to the US embassy in 2003. The bombers were Asif Mohamed Hanif from London and Omar Khan Sharif from Derby.

    They had links to the July 2005 bombers.

    The PLO’s Fatah group, which Abbas leads and Hamas took joint responsibility for the Mike’s Place bombing.

    Dana (023079)

  162. If the horror that played out in the aftermath of the 23-year-old singer’s concert inspires us all to do that, then she would indeed deserve the name dangerous woman.

    England is finished. They have lost the will to exist. They are the quintessential self-loathing white, protestant douche bags. I can’t believe I’m descended from these morons and their German cousins.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  163. narciso (d1f714) — 5/23/2017 @ 6:46 am

    Rip roger Moore

    Sad news. And what a sad coincidence. Over the weekend I was just following links where they led me. And I visited his web site for the first time. He was still very active at least until early this year. With his charities, his honorary ambassadorships, and interacting with his fans on social media. He’d host a Q&A session then post the transcript on his website. His last one was in March of this year. He just took on a new ambassadorship, really he became a spokesman, for a German medical supply company just last month. I’m not much of a fan of actors but I was amazed at just how strong he seemed to be going. It looked like he was indestructible.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  164. Yes, Abu mazen who wrote his dissertation on holocausr denial, at Moscow u, a kgb asset at one point, who funded Munich, yes that sends all the wrong signals.

    narciso (d1f714)

  165. RIP indeed on Roger Moore. Many would say his mid 70s to mid 80s metro take on Bond was indicative of the cultural rot which manifested itself again last night. This would be job for the Craig or even the Dalton Bond.

    urbanleftbehind (677d15)

  166. Yes it was a little campy, but craig was rather grim, which was Still closer to Fleming’s original vision but still.

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. I really liked Moore. I think Roger Moore and Sean Connery were the best Bonds. They were fun. This Daniel Craig guy is short, gruff, pudgy and looks more like a thug from the Bowery than a Gentleman Patriot licensed to kill. His accent even has a low-class twang to it. Plus, he’s not good looking at all. At least not Connery-Moore good looking.

    Perhaps it’s subliminal after noting the guy is a leftist millionaire hypocrite.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  168. Spot on, and added to update:

    Westerners might be the first species on Earth to respond to the slaughter of their own children by carrying on like nothing happened

    Dana (023079)

  169. Rather, it is a merely an assessment of the options that are available to us, the ordinary people, those without superhuman powers.

    Yeah, right. An assessment that leaves out all the better options and includes only one.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  170. Westerners might be the first species on Earth to respond to the slaughter of their own children by carrying on like nothing happened

    Well they have been inured to it by abortion, indoctrination, and indifference.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  171. Moore always said he played Bond that way because he really wasn’t a very good actor. He was always getting cast because of his looks. And he was always cast in the “good guy” role because he looked like the hero. Since every other part he ever got involved him just being him, he said, that’s how he played Bond. And he knew he couldn’t pull off the part of the cold-blooded killer. He lasted longer in the role than any other actor, though, because he was a bigger hit at the box office than Connery was toward the end of his run.

    But if it makes you feel better, urbanleftbehind, he agreed with you about Daniel Craig. That Craig looked like a killer (as did Connery). He used to joke he would hate to meet Daniel Craig on a dark night if he ever said anything bad about him. He thought Craig, Connery and even Lazenby were much better at playing Bond than he was.

    I suppose that’s why he considered his charitable work on behalf of children his greatest achievement.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  172. R.I.P. Roger Moore

    Icy (155446)

  173. Have you seen the saint he played a third in that one, the series really jumped the shark in a view to a kill, but then they cast daulton what a pill.

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. If you kick an anthill the worker ants don’t carry on as if nothing happened. Same with bees. And those are matriarchal societies.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  175. As I said it’s a sad coincidence. I learned a lot about Roger Moore over the weekend when I was poking around his site. He seemed like, and I’m sure he was in real life, a decent, fun, self-deprecating guy. From his Q&As with his fans you could tell he genuinely enjoyed interacting with them. I suppose that’s why he enjoyed going on tour with his one man show, “An Evening with Roger Moore.” So he could interact with them.

    It blew me away that he was still touring. Because he was still so active, still taking on new work as of this April, I was surprised to learn he had died. Apparently he had a brief battle with cancer. I doubt he would have taken on more work just last month if he had known.

    Some cancers can kill even the young quickly let alone an 89 y.o. An acquaintance of mine through a mutual friend died in his late 20s or early 30s from cancer. As you might imagine since never knew his exact age I don’t know what kind of cancer killed him. He was planning his wedding and had flown back from the Philippines where he completed the process to get her a fiance visa. The morning after he returned he was brushing his teeth and his gums started to bleed and wouldn’t stop. It turned out he had cancer and it was so far advanced there was nothing the doctors could do. That evening he was in a hospice and in a week he was dead.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  176. Dalton may have been a pill, but I let his turn in The Aviator (1990) as a thinly-veiled Errol Flynn-like actor/Nazi-agent color my view of him.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  177. I think it’s It’s ironic and inappropriate for the media and the NeverTrump crowd to ignore and/or downplay the speech he gave to the Arab-Islamic-American summit in Riyadh.

    WTP (5b282a)

  178. Yes, go on with life as before, but if we continue to deal with terrorism with this light touch, more of us will be killed.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  179. And those are matriarchal societies.

    They’re also insects, Pinandpuller, not once proud white Anglo Saxon Protestants now brow beaten by their own philosophies into submission as racist-homophobic-Islamophobic-bigots. Western Civilization gave us the Constitution, the Sistine Chapel, the Brandenburg concertos, the cure for age old diseases and man on the moon but we are bad because slavery.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  180. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 5/23/2017 @ 7:26 am

    158.Maybe, Sammy, we’re just seeing this now because up until recently along the timeline of Islamic history the Muslim jihadists didn’t have passenger jets or large commercial trucks and couldn’t make suicide vests. Ever thought of that, Sammy?

    We’ve had passenger jets since about 1960. We’ve had commercial trucks since the 1930s. Duicide vest are something new, but so is the idea of suicide terrorism. We’ve had airplane hijackings since the 1960s, but the terrorist groups were not Islamic, although they were
    often, but not entirely Arab or Muslim.

    The Irish republican Army was not Islamic. the Spanish basque terrorists were not Islamic. The people who carried out the Munich massacre in 1972 were not Islamic. The algerian terroists in the 1950s and 1960s were not islamic – their ideology was not. The PLO was not Islamic. The FARC in Columbia was not Islamic. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka was not Islamic. Carlos the Jackal was not Islamic. The terrrorists who killed Indira Gandhi were probably sponsored by Pakistan but they weren’t Moslems. hey were Sikhs. So were the terrorist who planted bombs on two air India flights in 1985. How soon we forget.

    Qaddafi trained lots of terrorists, and I think none of them were Islamic.

    Che Guevera was not Islamic. The Weathermen in the United States were not Islamic. The FALN was not Islamic. The Shining Path in Peru was not Islamic. .

    None of the terrorist groups that existed in the 1960s and 1970s was Islamic. We’ve had Islamic terrorism only since the 1980s. But we’ve had a lot of terrorismsince the mid-1960s.

    It’s just that before the 1980s sponsers of terrorism thought terrorists with a religious ideology might be prone to repenting . They had the belief in God and a longer term ideology that could carry with it the idea there was an overriding morality and that it was wrong to kill.

    But now they think, thanks to pioneering work done in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, borrowing much of their theology from people who can trace their thinking back to Germany’s fatwas in 1914, that terrorists with an Islamic ideology are the most committed. So they don’t sponser any other kind.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  181. 167.

    The PLO is the architect of modern terrorism. They invented its methods

    But there is one thing it isn’t: Islamic. How soon we forget.

    The PLO’s Fatah group, which Abbas leads and Hamas took joint responsibility for the Mike’s Place bombing.

    This was during a transitional period. I think non-Islamic terorrism is almost extinct. The sponsers of terrorism will sponser no other.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  182. I can’t think of anything I’ve seen by Roger Moore that I haven’t enjoyed. From the Saint, to Beau Maverick, to his James Bond. It was entertainment.

    As for James Bond, I’d graduated from him by age 20. Patrick McGoohan was the best British secret agent on screen in my opinion. Len Deighton’s two nameless ones (one ’60s and one ’70s) in print. And there’s a ton more spy fiction better than Ian Fleming’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  183. Re; Barbary pirates. That they can (dishonestly really) attribute to Islam – Islam has this thing about jihaf in its DNA – but what’s going on now is quite something else.

    This is all actually something new, and it’s done by “born again” Muslims and converts.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  184. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/05/another-look-inside-that-parked-car.php

    Looks like only their stupidity limited another terrorist attack here.

    NJRob (520017)

  185. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 5/23/2017 @ 8:56 am

    it was so far advanced there was nothing the doctors could do. That evening he was in a hospice and in a week he was dead.

    Oh, there was something they could have done if they wanted to do it. This was clearly some side effect of the cancer, Blood transfusions would probably have kept him going for some time.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  186. Yes he was good in the rocketeer, with the twirling mustache.

    narciso (4479c6)

  187. In Persian Hindu Kush means “Slaughter of the Hindus” or “Hindu Killer.” Muslims back then were proud of their slaughters and liked to commemorate them. They still are. Look at who the Palestinians like to name schools after.

    It’s supposed to refer to the mountain range, and the mountain range (not people) killed Hindus who were being taken to central Asia to be sold as slaves.

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  188. ISIS, or somebody pretending to be “ISIS” has claimed responsibility, but falsely or mistakenly claimed the explosion took place inside the arena.

    They didn’t release the name of the man who carried out the suicide attack but he is 22-year old Salman Abedi.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3624815/manchester-arena-bomb-ariana-grande-gig-22-deaths-59-injured/

    They also arrested a 23-year old man, and found anotgher possible bomb and carried out a controlled explosion.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/23/police-arrest-23-year-old-man-over-manchester-attack.html

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  189. OMG, Sammy! Guns kill, not people. Yeesh.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  190. Well, they named him now. His full name is Salman Ramadan Abedi. However, he has not yet been formally identified. The exploded bomb was in one of two storage sites, and is separate from the location where the 23-year old was arrested. I kind of suspect that bomb was not built recently.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/may/22/manchester-arena-ariana-grande-concert-explosion-england

    Sammy Finkelman (c31643)

  191. WTP:

    I think it’s It’s ironic and inappropriate for the media and the NeverTrump crowd to ignore and/or downplay the speech he gave to the Arab-Islamic-American summit in Riyadh.

    WTP (5b282a) — 5/23/2017 @ 9:02 am

    You must have missed my comment on the Trump/Comey thread (you know, the one where you called me a snowflake) and also my comment 144 here where I not only commended Trump for his Saudi statements but also pointed out that he has tweeted about it. In other words, I defended Trump on this topic twice.

    But I am one of those commenters that several here call NeverTrump. I’m not but I am a Trump critic because I think he was a campaign bully who ran on slogans and not ideas, and as a result he has done a disappointing job as President. But go ahead and respond with taunts and insults. It’s what I expect from Trump supporters.

    DRJ (15874d)

  192. Wow Sammy. I have never seen anyone this ignorant of islam, moslems and history all at the same time. You (or whoever you’re listening to) are bastardizing the Hindu Kush. Mountains didn’t kill anybody. Moslems killed them, massacred them in and about the passes.

    Moslems have been slaughtering people all over the world since they appeared from the dirt of Mecca. The only thing that changes is the tools and their methods. It doesn’t matter if a moslem kills you with an arrow, a scimitar, a plane or a nail bomb. What matters is he does it in the name of allah. Hence “allahu akbar”.

    Learn from a Buddhist.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p3pkx4P1-xU/WPgaNYcrX4I/AAAAAAABIig/djFpuoFsAUIAyHRIzBLaH-qdgysZ7hpJACLcB/s1600/1ninetymilesgfnvn1tqnoyio1_1280.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  193. I love Trump he’s better than soldier-slaughtering bushfilth and better than doing a sodden criminal stinkypig all up in it.

    He’s way better than the execrably puerile Marco Rubio too.

    President Trump is large he contains multitudes.

    He’s not snooty disgusting harvardtrash like Ted Cruz – he can really connect with the real Americans that were raped so brutally by other sleazy harvardtrash like obama/lynch/roberts.

    The ruling class has been kicked in the balls.

    The looks on their faces! So funny!

    this would make a great pinterest

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  194. i got my poppyseed buns for memorial day now i just gotta commit to a brand of dogs

    babysteps

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. Was I talking to you here or is it your SOP to take offense for others? Didn’t realize “we” were having a conversation, but OK. Nice point on 144 but still framed in the context of his tweeting (which I myself am quite tired of) while the bigger story, the one T is getting little attention nor credit for is the bold statements in Riyadh. I find it quite interesting that he can call out Islamic terrorism, terrorism in the context of Islam, right there in the Islamic holy land and catch less flack for it from the Arabs leaders (at least so far from what I have seen) than he gets from the BS media and the NeverTrump crowd.

    BTW, being a never-NeverTrumper does not necessarily make one a Trump supporter. Close, but no.

    WTP (5b282a)

  196. Shut up because ROP®

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2)

  197. We can gently, or brutally try to edumacate Sammy, but he is a weeble that wobbles, but won’t fall down. Knock’im down and he just comes back up.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  198. 200… feets, try the DogRocket® brand and tell ’em teh colonel sent ya!

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2)

  199. i’ll check for sure Mr. Colonel

    i only really have two grocery stores to work with – the jewel downtown is very limited, and my mariano’s is kinda whimsically merchandised

    but I’ll look – if not DogRocket hopefully i can at least do Hebrew

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  200. And one other thing…If your feelings are hurt because you infer that someone called you a snowflake, or even if someone called you a snowflake, you just might be a snowflake.

    For G’s sakes people, you’re (supposed to be) conservatives. Grow a pair and stop whining. Trump supporters (and never-NeverTrumpers) are regularly called out here as trumpkins and Trump supporters and such so don’t cry when the volley is returned. This standing on the slightest slight to civility is a blatantly obvious distraction from your inability to defend your point. Girls play that way.

    WTP (5b282a)

  201. looks like the terrorist was a refugee from hillary and john mccain’s super-fun adventure in libya

    those two and their mischief i tell ya

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  202. 198. Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 5/23/2017 @ 9:39 am

    .Wow Sammy. I have never seen anyone this ignorant of islam, moslems and history all at the same time. You (or whoever you’re listening to) are bastardizing the Hindu Kush. Mountains didn’t kill anybody. Moslems killed them, massacred them in and about the passes.

    That’s not what Wikipedia says, and it makes a whole lot of more sense.

    They are saying Moslems (?) killed them, but killed them the way slave traders killed Africans whom they carried across the Atlantic Ocean and the area got nicknamed Hindu Killer. The actual local native population was more Buddhist maybe, and became Moslem, but was never Hindu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Kush

    The Hindu Kush range were a historically significant center of Buddhism with sites such as the Bamiyan Buddhas.[11][12] The range and communities settled in it hosted ancient monasteries, important trade networks, and travelers between Central Asia and South Asia. [13][14] Buddhism declined, then vanished in the region with Muslim political expansion and the locals began to practice Islam…[15][16][17] The word and suffix “-kush” means “kill, slay, death”.[30][31] According to one interpretation, the name Hindu Kush means “kills the Hindu” or “Hindu killer” and is a reminder of the days when slaves from the Indian subcontinent died in the harsh weather typical of the Afghan mountains while being taken to Central Asia.[28][32][33]

    But what I don’t know is the time frame when it acquired that name. What makes me think that it might predate the Moslems is that there is a Talmudic opinion that Hodu and Kush are not India and Ethipia but right next to each other, which suggests that the term “Hindu Kush” had become known by that time (circa 235 CE).

    http://www.agudah5t.org/files/Machat_shel_Yad-Purim.pdf

    “From Hodu to Kush.” Rav and Shmuel disagreed: one said that Hodu is at one end of the world and Kush is at another end of the world. The other said that Hodu and Kush are next one another—just as Achashveirosh ruled over Hodu and Kush, so did he rule from one end of the world to another. (Megilah 11a)

    Rav lived to 247 and Shmuel to 254. The city wheer Shmuel lived (Nehardea) was destroyed in 262.

    Later on people living in these areas were themselves raided by slave traders but ths is long after the name Hindu Kush arose.

    Learn from a Buddhist.

    Ashin Wirathuis one of those radical extremist Buddhists persecuting and slaughtering Moslems in Burma. Well, he doesn’t kill anybody himself.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashin_Wirathu

    Wirathu is mentioned on the cover story of Time magazine as “The Face of Buddhist Terror” on 20 June 2013.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  203. There you go, proving my point. Well done, WTP.

    DRJ (15874d)

  204. Wiki, Time Magazine. Sammy, I am saddened because you are serious.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  205. oh. i think maybe was thinking of a different libya rapefugee terrorist bomber

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  206. https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/866994176021409792

    In multiple languages! You think the author of this, or the committee that worked on it, is in Syria?

    By the way, ISIS only claims resoponsiility in cases where the terrroist is dead.

    Also this:

    Minutes after claiming Manchester via Nashir, ISIS put out a similar claim on Amaq but then retracted it. @einfal was able to screengrab

    It’s the same webnsite thoiugh thats been acceoted as coming from ISIS for some time. They also posted two versions on anotehr channel and deleted them.

    Here is a review of ISIS communications channels as of a year ago:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3rm7fc/isis_telegram_channels_their_most_resilient/

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  207. There you go, proving my point. Well done, WTP.

    Ditto. Well, at least we agree on something.

    WTP (5b282a)

  208. too much of the criticism on Mr. Trump is simply lazy carping what follows the lead of the amazon turdlord propaganda slut media

    i abjure this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. I don’t think his statement in ali baba’ s cave was nearly strong enough.

    narciso (d1f714)

  210. Sammy, I am not the type to go around and around with you while you paste websites from all over the world. I don’t think Steve57 would do that and sometimes he has the patience of a saint when it comes to straightening out islamophiles. Where ever moslems have gone throughout their history they brought death, destruction, slavery and inhumanity based on their belief that no person has the right to exist unless they are moslem. Period. The philosophy of islam is that of a World State run by a Caliphate and its laws administered “religiously” based on the Koran. No freedom. No individuality. No progress. Basically it’s the “Anti-World”.

    When the moslems blew up the Bamiyan Buddha Statues in Afghanistan because they represented another faith they showed the world their ignorance. Don’t join them.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  211. What? Is “abjure” the Patterico Word of the Day?

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  212. 211.`felipe (b5e0f4) — 5/23/2017 @ 10:45 am

    Wiki, Time Magazine. Sammy, I am saddened because you are serious.

    The Wiki thing isn’t so different from what Hoagie said only it makes a lot more sense.

    Rather than that some (unnamed) Moslem conquerer renamed it (do such names ever take?) because of a big battle or a series of big batles, it says it got called Hindu killer because Hindu slaves died there (the way African slaves died crossing the Atlantic in the Middle Passage.And it says further the population there was Buddhist before it became Moslem. Not Hindu. It’s not anywhere near the center of Hinduism.

    The word Kush is Persian, which means it could date back to the Sasanian period also. But the Saffarid dynasty circa 870 was Moslem and Persianate. The Mughal Empire also was Persianate but dates only from the 1500s.

    I know TIME standing by itself is not good but that’s the kind of source Wikipedia gives you. There are numerous sources about the radical Buddhists of Burma, and it’s quite real.

    The objection to Moslems is based on the fact that they have more children and the claim is that they are (illegal) immigrants from Bangladesh, or that they never were legal.

    Here’s National Review: (albeit citing the Washngton Post)

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382214/burma-obamas-go-foreign-policy-success-slipping-away-ian-tuttle

    The situation is most dire in Burma’s western reaches, where more than 100,000 Rohingya Muslims are living as virtual prisoners, with little access to health care and food. The fast-deteriorating conditions prompted Tomás Ojéa Quintana, a former United Nations special rapporteur for human rights, to say in April that there is an “element of genocide” in the Rohingyas’ plight.

    I’ll try to find something better but this is not leftwing propaganda.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  213. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/

    Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime.

    His parents were both born in Libya but appear to have emigrated to London before moving to the Fallowfield area of south Manchester where they have lived for at least ten years.

    Second generation.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  214. I would imagine that the days of carrying an ice chest into an outdoor concert venue are over.

    I wonder if ISIS has been studying the tapes of the Mercedes crash at Le Man?

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  215. None of the terrorist groups that existed in the 1960s and 1970s was Islamic. We’ve had Islamic terrorism only since the 1980s. But we’ve had a lot of terrorism since the mid-1960s.

    their occupation is piracy, and their delight murder; and to make it worse, they give you the most pious reasons for every villainy they commit” – testimony of an Arab servant named Khudádád about the Jawasmi (the main pirate tribe in the Persian Gulf), ~ 1827.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  216. abjure’s a very very good word it says i can accept this nonsense THIS far and no further

    it’s like a line in the sand that say NO

    not on this day

    not on my watch

    and with liberty and justice for all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  217. One wonders what part the parents played in their son’s radicalization. The US routinely ejected immigrants who hid their Nazi backgrounds to gain entry, or who participated in seditious groups while here. Sometimes they were stripped of citizenship. We may want to return to this, and the Brits may want to consider it, too. Unhappiness with Muslim immigration was part of Brexit, after all.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  218. “Bond is dead.” How many times have moviegoers heard that line. Yet Sir Roger Moore will live forever in film and television as one of the better Bonds– and Simon Templar of television’s The Saint. A personal film favorite is a flick of his originally titled, ‘ffolkes.’

    For Queen and Country, Sir Roger. Peace.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  219. Joan of Arc: Her Trial Transcripts

    Author and translator Emilia P. Sanguinetti provides readers with a concise English translation of Joan’s trial transcripts, clearly presenting evidence that one of the Catholic Church’s preeminent saints was likely a lesbian and transgender person.

    i can’t even deal with this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. Narciso, that report is interesting, if confused. What do they teach in journalism schools, anyway? That thing is a regurgitation, not an article.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  221. The paper says there are unconfirmed reports that his parents left for Libya a short time ago. Hmmm..

    Second generation syndrome is real. After WWII Italy, Germany and Japan produced youth terrorist movements. No accident. Too much confusion psychologically.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  222. The Ikwan were the advance party for the Sauds, destroyed baghdad and najaf in 1806, it’s what Mohammed ali to go and bottle then up in the nejd.

    narciso (d1f714)

  223. One of the aides who worked for one of 35 Democrat house members flew the coup.

    narciso (d1f714)

  224. @188- Agree– in every medium, Patrick McGoohan was by far the best of the spy guys.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  225. Timothy Dalton made for a very good Bond.

    Icy (155446)

  226. In the 17th century the Brits had their fill of Islamic terrorist horse[edit]. Parked their Navy off the coast of what was at the time a string of pirate hideouts dotting the coast of Arabia, or emirates (funny how language happens isn’t it?). One by one these pirate enclaves were subdued by the cannons of the British Navy, and because there wasn’t a pinch of difference between any of these dens of cut-throats they were collectively called the treaty states (or Trucial States), in 1971 evolving (barely) into what is called The United Arab Emirates (you could just as truthfully say United Arab Pirates, because the two terms are interchangeable.)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  227. One of the aides who worked for one of 35 Democrat house members flew the coup.

    I got that part, but the other 3? Hard to say from what was written.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  228. Le Mans (duh). Who knew putting magnesium next to steel was a bad idea? Whoever invented fire starters-that’s who.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  229. Which terrorist/bad actor/villain state doesn’t have the keys to the Democratic Party’s computer system?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  230. If you want to connect Islam and James Bond then the Quran would be Thunderball, no?

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  231. no fireworks at cannes :(

    the terrorists win again

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  232. Sammy Finkelman (c31643) — 5/23/2017 @ 9:23 am

    It’s supposed to refer to the mountain range, and the mountain range (not people) killed Hindus who were being taken to central Asia to be sold as slaves.

    That’s really special, Sammy.

    I suppose the Bataan Death March refers to a few very bad days in 1942 when the Bataan Peninsula (not people) killed thousands of Americans and Filipinos who were being toward camps near Manila to be interred as POWs.

    Yes, Sammy, every POW I knew who survived the ordeal blamed the Peninsula (not the people force marching them along it) for all the killing. I’m sure the Hindus who were being taken into slavery would have felt exactly the same way about those mean, nasty mountains (not the people force marching them across it) for causing all those deaths.

    I wouldn’t even talk this way as a joke, but apparently you mean it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  233. kush kush in the bush

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  234. @231 narciso

    Or he flew the coup d’etat before his chickens came home to roost.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  235. It’s amazing isn’t it, Steve57? We sit and wonder why political correctness paralizes a nation into inaction when an enemy tells us they want to kill us and we ignore them and swear it isn’t so. Then they bomb a place and the idiot toadies say “our best response it to go about as nothing changed”. What the hell is happening when an entire civilization refuses to fight for it’s own existence?

    No wonder moslems don’t respect us. Hell, I don’t respect us.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  236. @13 Dejectedhead: … I did hear that in Muslim communities that there are high rates of inbreeding.

    Not “Muslim communities” per se, but Arabs, definitely, and Pakistanis. Cousin marriage is endemic in these cultures, which increases the incidence of birth defects. Also Farsis, Kurds, Turks, and some Oriental Jews in Israel. It’s somewhat more common than average in Bangladesh; no one knows about Indonesia.

    Rich Rostrom (d2c6fd)

  237. @185 Rev Hoagie

    It’s a shame when animals have more sense and survival instinct than humans. I think we have bred it out.

    Jerry Clower said the difference between a horse and a mule is that a mule will quit working before you can kill it. I’m happy to be a stubborn survivor.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  238. It seems more than one of the brothers is over there in pakistan.

    narciso (d1f714)

  239. Happyfeet

    Why set off fireworks when you can shoot an AK in the air on holidays?

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  240. that sounds like cultural appropriation to me Mr. pinpuller :(

    muy problematico

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. It seems more than one of the brothers is over there in pakistan.

    I could read it that way, of I could read it as if they were there once in the past. Just terrible writing by someone paid to write.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  242. Look they are the only ones following the story, because grishenko snipe hunt so incur them a break.

    narciso (d1f714)

  243. 223. the Barbary pirates were not terrorists.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  244. When I was in high school there was a guy who offered people who wanted to fight him 10 free shots. I guess that guy’s running England now.

    I also remember the trash talk that went,” There’s nothing but three feet of air and your good sense keeping me from kicking your a** right now.”

    England used to have 18 nautical miles and good sense, but it ain’t no mo’.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  245. @ DRJ (#197): As so often, you’ve again written exactly my thoughts.

    The speech Trump gave in Saudi Arabia was excellent and I give it a solid A on content. I give Trump an A on delivery as well, grading on a slight curve (because I can’t very well ever expect him not to look and sound the way he looks and sounds, even though it’s the opposite of charismatic and inspirational to my eyes and ears; YMMV and for many, obviously does). Many speechwriters for American presidents, writing for Arab Muslim audiences in particular, have ended up becoming fawning and obsequious in an attempt to be culturally sensitive and relevant. Trump’s speech used strong imagery, shared still between our culture and theirs (although under assault in ours), that are associated with traditional patriarchal themes.

    Trump was the strong horse in this speech, in short. If he can keep that up, I think it’s plausible that he might be able to more effectively mobilize anti-Iran/anti-ISIS/anti-Baathist Arabs than his predecessors. I think this speech is the second-best thing he’s done as POTUS, behind his acquiescence in choosing Justice Gorsuch from a discrete list compiled by solid conservatives who know and care more about the SCOTUS than Trump himself ever will.

    I suspect that the Manchester attack was being planned well before Trump’s speech. But certainly ISIS and its adherents, including this suicide bomber, did Trump a ghastly favor of sorts by specifically targeting pre-teen and teenage girls. Likewise they did a ghastly favor for Prime Minister May, who’s like to do considerably better in the upcoming snap elections than seemed likely two days ago.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  246. Old and busted: Repel all boarders!

    New World Order: Repeal all borders!

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  247. #11, nk, you’re conflating the process with the product. The purpose of terrorism is to demonstrate the inability of established authority to protect it’s people from barbaric mayhem. The goal of Islamic terrorism is to so undermine confidence in current government institutions to the point where a frightened, traumatrized, and demoralized population becomes ever more willing to accept the promise that a much more repressive governing structure will bring peace and stability.

    The promise is of course false as the would be leaders of the new government are the very bloodthirsty savages who inflict terror on peaceful nations in the first place.

    The purpose of terrorism is regime change.

    ropelight (9fd598)

  248. Happyfeet

    I almost set a golf course on fire with a bottle rocket.

    Sammy

    But I’m not a terrorist.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  249. I used to work with a guy we dubbed Johnny Paycheck or just Paycheck.

    I noticed he started every story with,” So me and a buddy bought a 12 pack and…”. At one point he saw some legal trouble when he installed a blue light on his truck and started doing traffic stops.
    My point is, there’s probably a Mohhamed Paycheck out there who starts every story with, “So me and Achmed were reading the Quran and…”

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  250. Pakistan’s intelligence agency is world class. This lasted until February 2 of this year?

    They were probably mainky spies, but they also stole equipment. I guess the ISI wasn’t paying them enough.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  251. Steve57, thanks for your insights (#177 & #181) about the late Sir Roger Moore; those details speak well of the man.

    I think he was miscast as Bond — he had the looks and the suave, debonair stuff nailed, but so did Cary Grant and he would have been a disastrous Bond. Moore was too camp, too close to being a fop, as Bond for my tastes. But he gave it his best, he sold tons of tickets, and he wasn’t the worst Bond actor: I’d rate him ahead of Lazenby, Dalton, or (snort) Niven, but well behind Connery, Craig, or Brosnan. He was much better cast in “The Saint”; the promotion from Simon Templar to James Bond was just a bridge too far, I fear. RIP, Sir Roger, and may there be plenty of Moneypennys wherever you are now.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  252. 254 Beldar

    Exactly. I believe someone upthread whined that it wasn’t strong enough. I’d be happy with a stronger speech but that one was twice as strong and received much better than I ever would have expected from our current crop of politicos. I doubt Reagan would have been so explicit, given the current political climate.

    WTP (5b282a)

  253. I don’t think it’s a whine, considering how it is the seat of the modern salafist movement, Islamic state draws inspiration from them.

    narciso (d1f714)

  254. Bond was public school educated in the books, in the film they have him an Oxbridge degree, so Moore would have got the part.

    narciso (d1f714)

  255. We shall commend Islam, whatever the cost may be. We will accommodate them on the beaches. We will accommodate them in the council houses. We will accommodate them in Hyde Park. We will accommodate them in Parlaiment. We shall surrender.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  256. ropelight (9fd598) — 5/23/2017 @ 1:51 pm

    The goal of Islamic terrorism is to so undermine confidence in current government institutions to the point where a frightened, traumatrized, and demoralized population becomes ever more willing to accept the promise that a much more repressive governing structure will bring peace and stability.

    Meaning the terrorists? Mosul had no problem with car bombs so long as ISIS was there.

    But pretty soon any fool can see this is worse than a Hobsons’s choice.

    But all that iss only terrorism in places where they rule, or could rule.

    The purpose of terrorism is regime change> That can’t be it in the western world.

    I think they’re trying to play 5-dimensional chess.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  257. Who knew “Westerners” were a “species.”

    A-hole of the day: Scott Greer. Forgot Sandy Hook, already, eh, twit-ter.

    “Take your stinking paws off me you damn-dirty ape!” – George Taylor [Charlton Heston] ‘Planet of the Apes’ 1968

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  258. I think they’re trying to play 5-dimensional chess

    I don’t know what’s going on here now, but I’ll give an example with a possible motive for September 11th.

    Maybe Osama bin Laden, at the instigation of his Pakistani sponsers – bin Laden was the Director but not the ultimate boss – attacked the World trade Center and the Pentagon and also wanted to get the Capitol building (not teh White house)

    The Pentagon was bin Laden’s idea, but his Pakistani sponsers were for destroying the World Trade Center. bin Laden was consulted on the World Trade Center and he lent his expertise to that. His knowledge of construction told him the steel would not be able to support after it got heated by the fire. He was the most optimistic of all the people involved but even he did not expect the whole building to come down but only the stories above the point if impact.

    Thsi was with the idea that afterward, the U.S. would not do much, so that the resistance to the Taliban would give up all hope of U.S. aid, which they stubborningly persisted in holding on to.

    (The attack was right after killing the leader of the Northern Alliance on September 9, 2001.)

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  259. His father was sammeh, the 4th plane was targeted at the capitol building but because Mohammed al quahtani couldn’t get into the country stopped at the Orlando airport, and sent back to Afghanistan
    He knew about al Kuwaiti the courier that led to him laden

    narciso (d1f714)

  260. DCSCA: Origin of the Specious.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  261. @185- You forgot to mention Auschwitz and Buchenwald.

    “Don’t be so gloomy. After all it’s not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.” – Black Marketeer Harry Lime [Orson Welles] – ‘The Third Man’ 1949

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  262. They are nt sure this is over, or maybe they know there’s some organization out there:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/world/europe/manchester-arena-attack-ariana-grande.html?_r=0

    Britain Raises Terrorism Threat Level, Meaning New Attack May Be Imminent

    In July 2005, a second wave of attacks hapepned two weeks later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_July_2005_London_bombings

    Nobody was killed in the second wave of attacks.

    Only the detonators of the bombs exploded.

    As I aaid it is nnot actually easy to build a bomb.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  263. DCSCA

    Species are a social construct.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  264. DCSCA

    You have heard of Ligers and Geeps right?

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  265. narciso @268. Whose father was what?

    There were maybe 3 pilots for the 4th and last plane. One was denied a visa because he was from Yemen, anothwr was stopped in Miami Orlando because the inspector just didn’t like his answers and thought he was a hit man and he just tore up his visa *, and the third was probably Zacarias Moussaoui, who was taking too long to learn how to fly a plane, and so Khalid Sheik Mohammed decided to let him stick around and maybe use him in a second attack.

    So they finally used Ziad Samir Jarrah. The fourth plane was also missing one regular hijacker. It was the one with the lowest priority.

    * He went back to Dubai and from there to Saudi Arabia. Then he went to Afghanistan, and was captured in the Battle of Tora Bora. After ten months, they took his fingerprints and discovered he was the same person who had been stopped in Orlando in 2001.

    Stopping terrorists too early doesn’t disrupt their plot, by the way.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  266. @ Hoagie, who wrote (#168):

    England is finished. They have lost the will to exist. They are the quintessential self-loathing white, protestant douche bags. I can’t believe I’m descended from these morons and their German cousins.

    That could aptly have been written in 1933 at the time of the famous King & Country Debate, and variations on it certainly were back then. Not so much in 1939-1941. The Brits are as complicated as we are, in some ways moreso, but they’re not hollow yet, and they’re the best friends we have (and vice versa) for reasons that transcend individual PMs or POTUSes.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  267. they still have that embarrassing fetish for that thoroughly common and wholly unremarkable species of trash they call “royals”

    maybe after their odiously vapid and useless queen kicks it they’ll have the sense to tell the rest of those losers to eff off to some reality tv show or whatever other form of prostitution they’re qualified for

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  268. Bin Laden’s worked with the Japanese architect.

    narciso (d1f714)

  269. @168. England is finished.

    UP yours, Hoagie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJssyG4fkKc

    “Salutee!” – Lurcio [Franke Howerd] ‘Up Pompeii!” BBC TV, 1969

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  270. Happyfeet

    A lot of people think Barmy Prince Charlie prays five times a day.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  271. Calling for action on global warming yesterday, Charles wrote: ‘We might be more inclined to think about the longer term if we were more aware of what is happening around us. Perhaps daily weather forecasts could include a few basic facts about the Earth’s vital signs, or details of where climate change is increasing the likelihood of damaging weather?’

    Mr. pin&puller – Charles is just an unbelievable stupid person and what’s scary is he has absolutely no idea what a goddamn drooling inbred imbecile he is

    a fitting king of england he’ll make, that’s the one thing you can say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  272. oops *unbelievably* stupid person i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  273. Happyfeet

    He just needs to know which way the wind is blowing so his wife’s face covering stays on in public.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  274. Happyfeet

    BTW-they call my dad “Mr Pinandpuller”

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  275. @283- Changed it from Prickenjerk to fit better on a mailbox.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  276. that reminds me father’s day is coming up

    that means a lot of brunch places are gonna be booked out way ahead of time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  277. If your wife is so ugly that you have to join a death cult to keep her face covered in public…

    You might be a Windsor.

    It’s so weird how Alan Simpson trotted back out in public. He’s related to the queen

    Supposedly the first time the queen ever paid cash for something is when she visited Sheridan, WY in the 80’s.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  278. What my mom said: The sky looks like winter.

    What my dad said: Of course! He’s queen Victoria’s grandson!

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  279. What my dad heard: This guy looks like a Windsor.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  280. alan simpson rivals cowardly disgrace-to-the-uniform john mccain in that they bring a very similar combination of bloated self-regard and abject uselessness to the table

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  281. both harry and William, served in Afghanistan, so they aren’t toffs like Charles,

    narciso (d1f714)

  282. Is this Senator Alan Kooi Simpson of Wyoming? He ain’t no grandson of Queen Victoria unless it’s by way of that prince who is often featured in Jack the Ripper movies and only Mr. Pinandpuller knows about it.

    nk (dbc370)

  283. harry can’t be a toff like charles cause he’s a bastard

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  284. But that reminds me. (Cause it’s also bullsh!t.) Why is Trump sitting on his secret plan to defeat ISIS that he said he ahd during the campaign.? People are dying.

    nk (dbc370)

  285. I don’t knoqw taht he had asecret plan. he had secret ideas.

    Obama finally decided around Jan 10 to send arms to the Kurds but because it was so close to the inaguration Susan Rice and others decided to get Trump’s OK – since the arms would have to be shipped while trump was president. Flynn rejected the idea. A few weeks ago Trump okayed it. Flynn postponed the fall of raqqa by two to three months.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  286. President Trump’s done so much to try to cut off the flow of suicide bombing rapefugees that was instigated by Obama, much to the chagrin of Justin Amash

    if England had elected a President Trump a few years ago, there’d be a whole lot fewer of these “known wolves” gadding about and exploding hither and yither

    this is incontrovertible!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  287. ask general mattis, he means to do what powell only suggested in the gulf war,

    narciso (d1f714)

  288. What DCSCA’s mailbox says: Salty Bumfollower.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  289. lol colin powell

    the idea that loser has enough integrity to birth a doctrine and live by it is supremely fanciful

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  290. @291 nk

    No no no. My dad was watching some BBC vis a vis PBS show. Alan Simpson is a cousin of QE2-shaken not stirred. He invented the Windsor string tie.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  291. 300! And I love you… http://youtu.be/KG1KLcogziY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  292. Windsor string tie? That’s practically a contradiction in terms. There’s a Windsor knot for ties, a symmetrical knot, for a more formal look with a suit.

    nk (dbc370)

  293. @297. That’s Mr. Salty Bumfollera if you please.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  294. All you need to know about Alan Simpson is after at least two terms in the Senate Wyoming is still a black people hair care desert.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  295. A Windsor String Tie has an inbred Horny Toad under glass instead of a scorpion.

    Pinandpuller (4f3fc6)

  296. News stories lightly touch on the fact that some people are reported missing. It’s not clear if these are, or could be, extra deaths not counted in the 22, or if some of the 22 have remained unidentified. The explosion tore apart bodies.

    Sammy Finkelman (bbf750)

  297. I’m surprised the mention of Simpson hasnt been met with revulsion by some here, at least with regard to one piece of legislation bearing his name (yes, he could have been duped, I suppose).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  298. British police say they have identified all 22 people killed in Manchester and notified the famiiies and sent counselors to them, but it will take the coroner 4 or 5 days to confirm and then they can release a list.

    Three (3) more people have been arrsted and one more possible bomb detonated by police.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  299. Yes he wasnt just a Mark Then, but when the budget blueprint he put together was roundly ignored by obama.

    narciso (d1f714)

  300. In Libya, counterterrorism authorities have arrested at least two members of the family of the bomber, Salman Abedi, one of them a younger brother. They are suspected of planning to stage an attack in Tripoli. Their father was arrrested on Wednesday. (but I think we don’t know if this is actually good police work, or panic, or oif he was arrested for helping in the bombing or for covering things up) Abedi’s father did indeed go to Libya anmd spoke to teh Associated Press from there by telephone. The NYT doesn’t seem to have his arrest – that comes from the Washington Post.

    Salman Abedi was recently in Libya (did he smuggle a bomb into Britain?) and may have been in Syria. The BBC reported he may have been “a mule” tasked with carrying out the bombing but who had little role in creating the explosive or choosing the target. (well, obviously – it was obvious this was not a 1-man operation because amateurs do not buiild bombs that work – to build this bomb, hed have had to be another Ted Kacynzski, and if he was, and wanted to kill many people, he’d wouldn’t have wanted to die with his fist and only bomb, and if you want`to say he couldn’t explode it any other way – how could that be – such an expert and he can’t build a timer or a remote trigger?)

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  301. They’ve still got a terrorism expert, Raffaello Pantucci, who says it’s a question as to whether he built the bomb. And Mike Morrell yesterday on CBS This Morning talked about how instructions were available on the Internet.

    This is sheer nonsense. The Anarchist’s Cookbook didn’t work either. Anyone trying anything like that is either likely to create an explosion too early or build a bomb that doesn’t go off or makes a much smaller explosion.

    Israel put a stop to suicide bombers by killing just a few bomb makers.

    1996:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/world/arafat-accuses-israel-of-killing-a-palestinian-bomb-maker.html

    1999:

    http://archive.jta.org/1999/02/12/life-religion/features/israel-palestinians-differ-on-who-killed-bombmaker

    2002:

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb//News/Lebanon-News/2002/Jul-02/36311-israel-assassinates-alleged-palestinian-bomb-maker.ashx

    2013:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/30/israel-assassinates-palestinian-gaza-settler-killed

    2017:

    http://hamodia.com/2017/02/05/top-hamas-bomb-maker-killed-work-accident/

    Maybe that’s whack-a-mole, but there’s not too many moles to whack.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  302. 295. happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/23/2017 @ 4:44 pm

    if England had elected a President Trump a few years ago, there’d be a whole lot fewer of these “known wolves” gadding about and exploding hither and yither

    this is incontrovertible!

    None of these people are recent immigrants, with the exception maybe of the wife in the San Bernardino massacre, and she didn’t act alone. If that’s your strategy, you’ve got to expel Moslems.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  303. 309. SF:

    In Libya, counterterrorism authorities have arrested at least two members of the family of the bomber….

    I should have known better than to rely on the Washington Post – I should have just known better anyway

    CBS News reported it more correctly.

    It was a a counterterror militia that arrested members of Salman Abedi’s family.

    There is, of course, no Libyan government in Tripoli.

    Sammy Finkelman (06be8f)

  304. Yes sammeh most likely those affiliated with Gina in Tripoli as opposed to haters army in benghazi

    narciso (d1f714)

  305. I have never been in any big concert, just wonder if they had metal detector…

    instagram online (aab1bc)

  306. 313. It’s the UN recognized government, but others said a counterterrorism militia, which may be the same thing.

    It is not entirely clear to me what members of the family were where after 2011. Salman Abedi and his father wnet to Libya in 2011 and joined the Tripoli Brigade.

    His father is said to have held his passport but gave it back to him when he said he wanted to go on a pilgramage to Mecca, but he didn’t go there. It is said maybe Syria.

    The authorities in Britain seem to be reverting back to the idea that he built this bomb all on hs own. But the only reason is that he bought most of the parts. I think he was always designated the fall guy but that’s far from the truth. His brother in Libya claimed very easily (too readily propbably) after being arrested that Salman Abedi had learned how to build it over the Internet, which is not possible. That kind of idea is really an urban legend.

    While he could have been trained in Libya, he still is not likely to have built it from scratch, especially the explosive part.

    He left for Britain (the last time) 4 days before the explosion.

    13 people were arrested but 5 were released because of lack of evidence.

    Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b)


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