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1/16/2017

Two Stories About Trump, Wild-Eyed Trump Supporters, and Ethics

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:07 pm



Two items for your reading pleasure.

ITEM ONE: CROWLEY OUT

Monica Crowley is out, for pulling a Melania Trump. (Dana has her own take on this here.)

GOP foreign policy adviser Monica Crowley said Monday she will relinquish the senior job she’d been poised to take in the Trump White House.

Ms. Crowley, who had been tapped to be senior director of strategic communications at the National Security Council, had been dogged in recent weeks by questions about whether she lifted portions of her past written work from other writers. Her move seemed designed to keep that from becoming a distraction as the Trump team prepares to take office.

“After much reflection I have decided to remain in New York to pursue other opportunities and will not be taking a position in the incoming administration,” she said in a statement. “I greatly appreciate being asked to be part of President-elect Trump’s team and I will continue to enthusiastically support him and his agenda for American renewal.”

It’s kind, if inaccurate, for the Washington Times to describe the controversy as “questions about whether she lifted portions of her past written work.” It was the strongest case of pulling a Melania Trump since Melania Trump.

I’m pleased to see that Donald Trump does not want someone with such poor ethical standards in his White House. If there’s anything more important to Donald Trump than decorum, it’s ethics.

ITEM TWO: GATEWAY PUNDIT’S VICTORY DANCE

Item two: Jim Hoft’s blog Gateway Pundit (admittedly through another writer named Ryan Saavedra) declares RedState.com to be the worst of the worst:

RedState had a rough year after backing failed GOP candidates, trashing Donald Trump for months and losing audience and respect in conservative circles.

Now a writer from Red State has come completely unhinged attacking The Drudge Report, The Gateway Pundit, Dinesh D’Souza and Sarah Palin.

. . . .

Kimberly Ross represents everything that is wrong with the Republican party and people on the right.

Ross was criticizing Hoft, Palin, etc. because of this piece from the Washington Post explaining how Hoft, Palin, and Drudge pushed a totally bogus story:

Trolls decided I was taking pictures of Rex Tillerson’s notes. I wasn’t even there.

What it’s like to be at the center of a fake-news conspiracy theory.

By Doris Truong

There’s a joke among Asian Americans that people think we all look the same. That joke became my own personal Pizzagate late Wednesday: I got caught in a terrible case of mistaken identity that was exacerbated by the speed at which false information spreads on social media.

I work as a homepage editor at The Washington Post. Because Wednesday was my day off, I hadn’t been online much. But before I went to bed, I noticed a message request on Facebook. Someone I didn’t know asked: “Any comment on you taking photos of Rex Tillerson’s notes?” When I checked Twitter, I had to scroll for several minutes to figure out what was going on. It seemed to start with this post: “Who is this woman and why is she secretly snapping photos of Rex Tillerson’s notes?”

. . . .

I lost track of the tweets, retweets and variations of tweets, including some with my Twitter handle superimposed on a photo from the hearing. People demanded my firing and questioned my ethics as a journalist. Top editors at The Post had heard about it. The false narrative snowballed early Thursday because a Gateway Pundit post was picked up by the Drudge Report.

Even Sarah Palin tweeted it.

Here is the Gateway Pundit post. Sample:

Wow! Reporter Caught Sneaking Photos of Rex Tillerson’s Notes at Senate Hearing (VIDEO) –Updated

Jim Hoft Jan 11th, 2017 11:28 pm 591 Comments

The Liberal Media Becomes More Unhinged by the Day–
A reporter was caught on film sneaking photos of Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson’s personal notes at his hearing today before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee today in Washington DC.

The reporter obviously forgot about the cameras running on Tillerson’s seat during the break.
Now the entire world knows she’s a thief.
What an idiot.

Skipping over the update, where Hoft is forced to acknowledge he got the story completely wrong, we see the origin of the story: one Mike Cernovich.

Via Mike Cernovich:

Cernovich to Hoft to Drudge — that’s how “facts” circulate in our wonderful Trumpy New Media.

All Kimberly Ross from RedState did was . . . criticize this incredibly sloppy reporting.

In Gateway Pundit world, the lesson learned from all this is: check out your stories before printing them RedState is terrible for criticizing a fellow Republican and not supporting Trump at all times — that’s why I get clicks and they don’t, hahahahahaha!

Remember, Hoft might do something stupid and embarrassing like that every week or so, usually accompanied by ALL CAPS AND MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . but he’s a Trump supporter and RedState isn’t. He predicted Trump would win and RedState didn’t. Therefore, he is the New Paragon of our media, and deserves your clicks, no matter how shitty and riddled with errors his posts might be.

So there are your two stories. In one, the Trump administration surprisingly upholds an ethical standard. In the second, his supporters throw ethical standards to the wind, and attack anyone who criticizes them for it.

The first story is a little surprising, since the Trump transition team could have defended Crowley and called the allegations against her politically motivated. (Oh, wait, that’s what they did, just one week ago, after the PhD dissertation scandal had just broken.)

Despite the news, the Trump team continues to support the appointment. “Any attempt to discredit Monica is nothing more than a politically motivated attack that seeks to distract from the real issues facing this country,” a transition spokesperson told CNN.

I’ll take it as a hopeful sign that this sort of utterly dishonest response — which was doubtless applauded by the very same crowd that pushed the bogus Truong story — did not ultimately carry the day.

P.S. Folks ought to bookmark this story, because the Washington Post reporter uses the term “fake news,” not to describe knowingly fake news, but rather to describe a situation where people believed they were telling the truth, but got it horribly wrong through lazy and slipshod analysis filled with unwarranted assumptions based on partisanship. I don’t think this usage is accurate, because I think “fake news” should be reserved for actual fake news put out by people who know it’s fake. But many conservatives have been using the term that way to describe similarly inaccurate stories by Big Media — and now the Washington Post is using that same definition itself, which is a notable development.

If “fake news” has that broad a definition, then the Washington Post‘s own “Russia hacked the power grid” story was “fake news.” I wouldn’t have called it that, myself — but under their own definition, that’s what it is.

P.P.S. This should be obvious, but the reference to “wild-eyed Trump supporters” in the headline is not meant to declare that all Trump supporters are wild-eyed. It is meant to distinguish the wild-eyed ones (like Hoft and Cernovich) from those that aren’t (which is the vast majority of them, in my opinion).

UPDATE: Excellent post by Kimberly Ross at RedState calling out Gateway Pundit for repeatedly peddling bogus stories.

132 Responses to “Two Stories About Trump, Wild-Eyed Trump Supporters, and Ethics”

  1. Drudge has been my homepage ever since i was little

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. LOL at the idea that this type of “pipeline” for “news” distribution is in any way the product of “Trumpy New Media”.

    I don’t have enough time to catalogue the hundreds of examples of similar “runaway freight trains” of misinformation generated by the media establishment that existed long before Trump arrived on the scene.

    But how about Bush’s National Guard story for one?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  3. And as further criticism of your point, are you surprised that the nascent administration officials would at first deflect the allegations against Crowley until such time as they had a chance to hear from Crowley herself on the subject, and then based on a fuller set of facts presented her with some options?

    CNN prints a story that seems well sourced on the question of whether she has committed plagarism.

    But she’s not entitle by her employer to be heard from first before they take action?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  4. Maybe the unnamed “transition spokesperson’s” response was a bit aggressive in the language used to defend under the circumstances, but I doubt it was written out with any degree of care given the manner in which it was described, i.e., what seems to have been an oral statement given to CNN as described by Politico.

    So now the entire organization is tatooed by the the words which come from one unnamed transition offical?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  5. Ocassionally CNN and politico get something right, but rarely on purpose, take ioffe’s profile of Carter page, strongly sources from the dossier

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. You mean a Doris Goodwin or a Mike barnacle?

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. R.I.P. Gene Cernan, last astronaut to walk on the moon

    Icy (59f53e)

  8. What??

    I am still waiting for a status report on the CNN being right story.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  9. Who’s that girl?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  10. I’m on the political internet all the time and I have pretty much no idea who Cernovich is, what Gateway Pundit has said in the last 8 years, and what Sarah Palin is talking about.

    I do check Drudge Report but maybe click a link every few days. I got off Twitter because it got me too spun up in things that really don’t matter.

    MayBee (a7822d)

  11. So… who WAS photographing the notes?

    Yes, I see that Gateway Pundit had the wrong name for the person photographing the notes.

    I read the update,

    the update, where Hoft is forced to acknowledge he got the story completely wrong

    this is not what it says. It says they don’t know who the person taking the photos of the notes is.

    Which, since there is a video of someone taking photos of the notes, the story is not completely wrong and Hoft certainly does not “acknowledge he got the story completely wrong”.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  12. Trump does the right thing – the thing you wanted him to do – and you mock him. Then you belittle his wife. Wow!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  13. @ThOR: Trump does the right thing – the thing you wanted him to do – and you mock him. Then you belittle his wife. Wow!

    Now, now, ThOR, Trump waited like five whole days before getting rid of Crowley. He should have acted within minutes of the accusation. Because we can always trust the first take of media over people we actually know in real life, and must always jump instantly to what they say.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  14. Trump’s war on Women is stacking up bodies like Walt Kowalski. We’re gonna need a bigger binder.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  15. And Joe Biden will still be VP for five more days.
    Probably still wearing the “You were a great #2” medal.
    His memoirs will probably be filled with plagiarism of everything and everyone from Snoopy to Stephen Hawking.

    steveg (5508fb)

  16. That girl has a hint of Margaret Cho, which is incidentally the least popular flavor of Doritos evah.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  17. Are we tarring all Trump supporters with the same brush, or just the wild-eyed ones?

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  18. Not that Crowley does not deserve to lose her spot.
    If she was a Democrat it’d be par for the course, nothing to see here, but Trump seems to have no problem holding other people to a high standard.

    Melania was OK given that her English is good, but highly accented. I don’t know how fluidly she thinks in English or if she still has to translate everything in her head before speaking. To me, it looked and sounded like a little of both.
    I speak OK Spanish but it would be difficult to give a speech even if it was all written out.

    So from me, she gets a pass this time on the plagiarism. Plus Melania had the good fortune to plagiarize the wife of a guy who likely had his books ghostwritten for him, and those books were filled with composite characters and fabricated racism. So no harm no foul this time.

    steveg (5508fb)

  19. I also want to know who that woman was and why anyone was allowed near his notes

    *whisper* Hey Mr. Tillerson? Leaving your notes out on the table at a meeting as Sec. State? Bad idea.

    Tillerson must be used to having an aide take care of it, because there seems to be no way he could have been a successful negotiator with a bad habit of leaving his notes around

    steveg (5508fb)

  20. Monica Crowley is a distraction-I will grant you that.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  21. @steveg:Tillerson must be used to having an aide take care of it,

    Could have been an aide. Would be nice to know.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  22. @steveg: Melania had the good fortune to plagiarize the wife of a guy

    Yeah, “my word is my bond” had never been said before…

    I wasn’t impressed by the accusation against Melania. The Crowley one though, especially the dissertation, that was a fair cop.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  23. Steveg

    Huma Abedin needs a job.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  24. Are we tarring all Trump supporters with the same brush, or just the wild-eyed ones?

    AZ Bob,

    I’m breaking my self-imposed comment vacation to answer this question by directing your attention to the P.P.S., which has been a part of the post almost since its publication, but which appears not to have been read any anyone.

    I know, it’s a long post.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  25. Huma’s like,”I’m always leaving my coffee cups and TS docs on top of my car in the morning!”

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  26. @Pinandpuller:Huma’s like,”I’m always leaving my coffee cups and TS docs on top of my car in the morning!”

    In fairness to Huma, Hillary’s maid always took care of it right away.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  27. If Trump were Phish the wild eyed fans would be the ones who go to every show and annoy most right thinking people.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  28. UPDATE: Excellent post by Kimberly Ross at RedState calling out Gateway Pundit for repeatedly peddling bogus stories.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  29. I’d quibble with your caveat about “wild-eyed Trump supporters” – if you ain’t wild-eyed, you ain’t a Trump supporter. A lot of people who voted for Trump held their nose and voted for the lesser of two evils, knowing full well they were voting for somebody well-deserving of a lot of skepticism and a lot of criticism. That hardly qualifies them as a “Trump supporter” like the yapping little poodles who start snapping at anybody who dares to suggest that whether you worship Chocolate Jesus or Cheeto Jesus you’re still worshipping a false idol.

    Jerryskids (16a4d5)

  30. If I see something on Gateway Pundit that seems interesting — and a lot of it is — I’ll check his internal references to see if the stories match up with the sources.

    Despite some people’s disdain for the MSM, I still prefer to use decent MSM sources as my references. It’s kind of hard to go wrong doing that.

    Oh, while CNN itself can be kind of lame, CNNMoney has some good material, and some of its reporters present balanced articles.

    The blogger Dana (1b79fa)

  31. I’m not happy that Donald Trump will be the next President, but I’m absolutely overjoyed that Hillary Clinton will not be.

    The Dana who voted for Gary Johnson (1b79fa)

  32. “The Show Me More Than One Source State” won’t fit on a license plate.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  33. Anyone who calls them self a fan or a pundit is ghey.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  34. “12. Trump does the right thing – the thing you wanted him to do – and you mock him.”
    The nevertrumpers are like the Bush (Dubya) haters back in the 2000’s.

    I always used to say that if Dubya had slit his own throat, they would complain that the blood splashed the wall.

    Nothing he does can be right, no matter what. Whatever he does is wrong, even if it’s what they like.
    And they (the nevertrumpers) wonder why everybody ignores them and laughs at them.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  35. “19. I also want to know who that woman was and why anyone was allowed near his notes.
    *whisper* Hey Mr. Tillerson? Leaving your notes out on the table at a meeting as Sec. State? Bad idea.”

    Yeah, you wanna know some other stupid things that the Trump crew did? Donald J. F’ing Trump let somebody mail a copy of his 1995 income tax form POSTMARKED FROM TRUMP TOWER!! Mailed from his own building! What a clown.
    And Donald F’ing Trump managed to let Sue Carswell leak a tape of himself posing as publicist, that Sue claimed she lost 30 years ago.

    Ha ha, that guy is so incompetent. So stupid. Probably doesn’t even know the idea of “false flag”.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  36. Thank you, fred-2, for helping make the distinction between Trump supporters who think the sun shines out of where Roy Cohn used to put his putz, and Trump voters who thought Trump was a trifle less stinky than Hillary.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. Mr. Gateway’s a good pickle

    i been very contumelious there before, and he never banned me not even a little

    as I said, he’s a good pickle

    and that counts for a lot I think

    he’s not pretending to be an unfailingly accurate harvardtrash new york times propaganda slut lol

    he’s blogging!

    blogging for freedom!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. redstate lol

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. Is he still putting up pictures of the San Francisco Gay Pride parade?

    nk (dbc370)

  40. why do you hate freedom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. My main qualm about RedState is that they don’t process registrations in a timely manner. But they don’t make a habit of crazy posts. Jim Hoft and Gateway Pundit live in a world with a polka-dot sky.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  42. he’s not pretending to be an unfailingly accurate harvardtrash new york times propaganda slut lol

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/16/2017 @ 3:51 pm

    yes yes yes!

    he’s supporting him some goldy sachs instead!! https://mobile.twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/819660817364828160

    I know how much you are support the goldy sachs so this must be great news for you!

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (2ab6f6)

  43. As someone who almost never reads anything on either RedState or Gateway I don’t get it. Does this little blog war interest people and matter? If so, how? My only real exposure to Gateway was during the Michael Brown riots and Hoft was doing actual reporting and posting pictures and videos that were not readily available anywhere else at the time it was all going down. Hoft’s Ferguson coverage kind of reminded me of Althouse and Meade’s first person reporting and photography at the Wisconsin State capitol when all those demonstrations were going on and nobody else in media was covering it in other than a very superficial and partisan way. Other than that I can add nothing beyond saying this blog war is very low on my list of things to care about. And if I were to spend time on either site I have some degree of confidence that I could separate the wheat from the chaff as I consider myself to be a fairly careful and discriminate consumer of news reportage.

    elissa (377b6d)

  44. Except that Hoft’s Ferguson coverage turned out to be less than reliable. Remember his claim to have definite knowledge that Darren Wilson had a broken eye socket?

    Milhouse (40ca7b)

  45. A word, if I may, about Gene Cernan.

    I had the great fortune to meet Gene several times in my life.

    The last man to walk on our moon, Cernan was America’s second spacewalker on Gemini 9, in June, 1966 and had the distinction of riding Von Braun’s massive Saturn V twice to the moon; once as the LM pilot aboard the ‘dress rehearsal’ moon landing mission of Apollo 10 in May, 1969 and a second time as commander of Apollo 17, America’s last lunar landing, in December, 1972.

    I interviewed Cernan early in my media career and found him an easy going man who was amazingly forthcoming about the manned space program, it’s proud past and of late, it’s uncertain future.

    Gene was an aeronautical engineer from Indiana and naval aviator by training when he became an astronaut, inspired by Glenn’s flight in ’62, but his spaceflight experiences transformed him into an explorer. His capacity to inspire the young to look to the stars was unbounded. Ask Gene about space, about the moon– why go, what was it like and why invest in the technologies that made it all possible and he’d talk your ears off for hours. And fortunately for all of us, he also had a keen eye, taking some of best composed and most reproduced pictures of men at work, exploring on the moon by any of our moonwalkers.

    Gene also photographed what came to be known as the ‘Full Earth’ photo, high above Africa, which remains one of the best pictures made by hand of our planet, whole, as it is in space ever taken. I encourage you to Google ‘Apollo 17 moon landing images’ and get an eye full. Or read his autobiography.

    The particulars of his spaceflights are easy to research these days on the web. And the television tapes from Apollo 17 are available as well. They’re colorful, clear and still a wonder to watch. You can see and learn something new with each viewing.

    Gene was also a fiercely loyal friend to his fellow naval aviator, the late Neil Armstrong, and often publicly expressed to the world the poise and eloquence in which Neil carried the burden of being the first on the moon in interviews and as a speaker at Armstrong’s memorial.

    I’m crestfallen at learning of Gene’s passing at 82 years young. Condolences to his extended family and beloved daughter, Tracey… and to the greater NASA family as well.

    And all of us should take pause to reflect as well. Only twelve men in the history of our planet have walked on the moon. No small feat. And all were Americans. Now there are six left with us: Buzz Aldrin, Alan Bean, Dave Scott, John Young, Charlie Duke and Harrison Schmitt– Schmitt now being the lone surviving crewmember of Apollo 17. These very courageous men embody a time when America dared to accept huge challenges and do what seemed the impossible. And Cernan was certain the first humans to reach Mars were alive today in our grade school classrooms. Alive to one day make America great again.

    God bless you Gene, and thank you.

    Ad Astra, Eugene A. Cernan.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. Yes he got somethings wrong the times got it completely wrong from day one, the dossier is a bunch of porqueria, that embarasses anyone who comes in contact with it.

    Samaria actually plagiarized someone else’s review and CNN chose him to give a tongue bath to obama, last week.

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. Cernovich pointed out the carp behind Mrs fields little slip and fall scam.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. Beautiful tribute, DCSCA. Thank you for focusing us on this today. It is amazing to think of what small select company these 12 moon walkers are/were in.

    elissa (377b6d)

  49. Yes there was a time when we did grand things and didn’t apologize for them that band of brothers, were the last of that generation

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. “I’m pleased to see that Donald Trump does not want someone with such poor ethical standards in his White House. If there’s anything more important to Donald Trump than decorum, it’s ethics.”

    Jesus, was the second sentence, a complete cheap shot, really necessary? Or useful?

    Also, elissa has it. All of these little verbal duels about “he wrote, she wrote, then he wrote, then she wrote about the second writing” are incomprehensible and boring gibberish to everyone but he and she.

    Please tell us who was the woman who appeared to be photographing the notes.

    Fred Z (b0a041)

  51. Zakaria, Godwin barnacle they are never shamed, they are viewed as honest intermediaries

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Senate security people know, but I doubt that they will tell us. She’s probably a Democratic staffer or, better bet, intern.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Seriously Ben Rhodes who failed his security clearance negotiated the shameful surrender to the mullahs and to the Castro regime, maybe some things worth taking a look at.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. I’m not happy that Donald Trump will be the next President, but I’m absolutely overjoyed that Hillary Clinton will not be.
    The Dana who voted for Gary Johnson (1b79fa) — 1/16/2017 @ 3:18 pm

    — My sentiments exactly.

    The Icy who voted for Evan McMullin (f0ce5f)

  55. Speaking of Cernovich
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/16/deploraball_organizer_plans_to_file_conspiracy_to_commit_domestic_terrorism_charges_against_disrupt_j-20.html

    Do we actually know what was in those notes? For all we know it coukd have a list of lunch options in the Capitol cafeteria.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  56. Is “No enemies on the Left” now the official slogan of this blog, or only when Trump is being discussed? A pity that the bile and vituperation aimed at the soon-to-be President cannot be re-directed to the real enemies of the Republic and our constitutional freedoms. And here’s a hint – they are not in the Trump Administration.

    Bill Saracino (ad0096)

  57. Someone left #nevertrump out in the rain…

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  58. I’m where Elissa is at 43 — there are very few sites that I visit with any frequency. I generally start with Drudge just to see what’s up, and if I’m looking for a bit more analysis, I’ll go over to Hot Air.

    I come here to see what Pat and his guests are interested in — my top reason for coming here is that what Pat finds interesting is very often exactly what I find interesting, especially the “Law News” stuff.

    I also go to the online sites for conservative media outlets like NRO, Weekly Standard, Daily Caller, Powerline. I go to Hugh Hewitt to read his transcripts of radio interviews I miss, and then RealClearPolitics to look through their links to columns.

    At the very bottom, and getting very little of my attention, are actual “blogs”. Even less usually are sites like Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    About once a week I’ll troll through New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Atlantic, and a couple other of the “high brow” East coast mag-sites. Sometimes they have long-form articles that are interesting reads.

    But partisan sites or sites with doctrinaire points of view aren’t of much interest to me.

    shipwreckedcrew (99f654)

  59. If Gheytway Pundit looked into happyfeet he wouldn’t have time to double check his stories (LOL)

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  60. Apparently, according to someone whose initials are “B.S.” the clearest pathway to a successful Trump administration is to never hold his feet to the fire.

    Icy (f0ce5f)

  61. Trump beat clinton/ what do you beat. Also about golden showers the media holleywood and democrats should remember people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!

    glass houses (7dfb51)

  62. As I explained, I was and am not a Trump supporter. But I am an America supporter. I’ve watched as just about every entity from college professors to Hollywood assholes to news media elites to that racist pig John Lewis plus all those little shit snowflakes freak out all over about Trump. Because he effects and harms the very being of these loathsome anti American shits I am now a Trump admirer so long as he tweets them into insanity. If he keeps screwing with their minds I just may become a Trump supporter.

    Trump may not be your real live bona fide conservative Republican. In fact he may really be a NY democrat like he’s always been but he has done more to fuck over the leftist elite democrats than ANY Republican I can recall including Reagan. As long as he keeps them pulling their hair out and tearing their clothes and spitting when they talk I’m with Trump.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  63. Trump is media and Hollywood.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. Vanity fair, high end illustrated kos, they are still chasing those apprentice outtakes, Esquire is nearly as bad, gq even worse.

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Gheytway Pundit Exclusive!!!

    Busch Lied!!! Clydesdales Died!!!

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  66. @64 I think the families of the 5,000 americans who died in iraq will not find that very funny.

    glass houses (7dfb51)

  67. St Louis smells like stale beer and hops whenever I drive through there.

    More like Hoppes no 9, amirite folks?

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  68. I’d appreciate reading about the frothing-at-the-mouth leftwingers who are threatening people who want to perform at the inauguration. Don’t read very much about what has been going on.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  69. Our silicon snowflake doesn’t get it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. 62… Hoagie, I tip my hat to you. Thanks for saying what needs to be said.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. They can take away my AFLAC VO work any time. There’s always The Cellar.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  72. I guess now I have to trash that Titanic bit I’ve been working out.

    Pinandpuller (70a330)

  73. 54… say it ain’t so, icy!!! McMuffin!?!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. @Pinandpuller:I guess now I have to trash that Titanic bit I’ve been working out.

    It’s too soon.

    Gabriel Hanna (61adec)

  75. 28. The three Gateway Pundit stories Kimberly Ross cites are implausible to begin with.

    These stories either show the left, or people associated with the left, to be petty or doing trivial things that the story plays up to be big; or they purport to reveal or prove to be true once and for all something massive that their target audience already suspects (or hopes?) is true – only it doesn’t hold up.

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)

  76. TIL, or maybe knew but forgot. Roger L. Simon, the PJ Media one, was a mystery writer and screenwriter in his former life, and his works include the novel and movie The Big Fix. Read the short synopsis of it at the link. It relates to Trump and Putin. A lot.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. Colonel, I was acting on a promise made to myself to vote for the candidate who most clearly espoused conservative principles. McMullin fit that bill and I proudly voted for him.
    Unfortunately, post-election McMullin has engaged in nonstop bash-Trump-as-a-traitor rants, while seemingly forgetting that the promotion of conservatism is what attracted those of us that voted for him in the first place.

    Icy (f0ce5f)

  78. I look here and at PowerLine,
    and links from these two sites as interested.
    I read too slow and have other things to do as it is.

    If posts like this and the CNN kerfuffle become the routine…it will be disappointing.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  79. We’re safe, MD. After the inauguration the anti Trumps will go full out crazy so posts like this and CNN crap will fade into 50 shades of RAGE! Every Trump fart will be raaaacist and every wave homophobic. We are gonna have so much fun watching the idiots try and out-leftist each other all while becoming more and more irrelevant and not even noticing they’re doing it. To quote Flounder in Animal House: “This is gonna be great!”

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  80. I don’t get it Moses wine as well as the candidate were leftwingers

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. ==Do we actually know what was in those notes? For all we know it could have a list of lunch options in the Capitol cafeteria.==

    Kish@55–depending how much you trust O’Keefe, (I do) he has left wing activists on tape planning to disrupt the Deploraball using butyric acid stink bombs and firealarms.

    The edited video shows three members of the D.C. Anti-Fascist Coalition discussing releasing stink bombs in the HVAC system of the National Press Club, where a pro-Trump event dubbed Deploraball will be held on Thursday.

    In the video, which was recorded last month, a coalition member named Scott Green explains what he hoped to achieve by using the butyric acid. The stink bombs would “ruin [event attendees’] outfits or otherwise make it impossible to continue with their plans. Make sure they get nothing accomplished,” he says in the video.

    “This stuff is very efficient, it’s very very smelly, lasts a long time and a little bit of it goes a long way,” Green adds.
    “If you had a pint of butyric acid, I don’t care how big the building is, it’s closing,” Kuhn says in the video.

    Kuhn also says in the video that he hoped to use the action against Deploraball to confront the Washington, D.C. city government and its police.

    O’Keefe says in the video that his group contacted the FBI, Secret Service and Washington, D.C. police to report what the D.C. Anti-Fascist Coalition trio was plotting.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/16/video-shows-left-wing-activists-plotting-to-use-butyric-acid-at-trump-event-video/

    elissa (377b6d)

  82. I can’t see another more benign context to the videos.

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. Hoagie–Animal House is one of the all time great movies with so much more depth and intelligence than what probably most of us understood at first viewing. It is a classic! Raunchy, funny as hell and too many truisms about life to count. And as you just proved again, so many great quotable lines totally applicable to so many occasions in any era.

    elissa (377b6d)

  84. Elissa, I don’t have any great respect for O’Keefe, though I am sure he believes himself an honest investigator…
    But my reference to the “notes” were to Tillerson’s notes.

    Sorry to be confusing.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  85. Fake “oppo research”, narciso.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. .anti Trumps will go full out crazy so posts like this and CNN crap will fade into 50 shades of RAGE! Every Trump fart will be raaaacist and every wave homophobic.

    Kind of like how a vehement and rather noisy segment of the Right did for 8 years with Obama.

    Plus la change plus la meme.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  87. Oh, thanks for the clarification. I’m sorry that I misconstrued your post Kishnevi. I think the Real Clear Politics video link about disruptions to the Deploraball was what faked me out!

    elissa (377b6d)

  88. Actually no, the same Wurlitzer that Obama was the best thing since sliced bread are running the same attack on trump, their absolute lockstep is striking.

    On the other hand our side finds reasons to offer surrender to the enemy, so it’s not the same.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. It was fairly quick to ascertain that Mcmuffin is a potted plant, whether merely for that company faction that sees every islamist group worthy of support, or for nastier slithy toves is subject to debate

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. Would that be the ‘two wrongs makes it business-as-usual and therefore you would be a hypocrite to criticize me for being wrong even though I am literally saying that your side was wrong when (by my claim) they did the same thing that my side is doing now’ meme?

    Icy (f0ce5f)

  91. Most people think that President Lincoln was a great guy, but he was a murderer.

    It’s true.

    He once killed a guy in a bar fight.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  92. I love all of these people “warning” Trump and giving him advice.

    They need a sign outside the White House press room that says “400 Days Without Accidentally Stumbling Into The Truth” and counting.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  93. As I explained, I was and am not a Trump supporter. But I am an America supporter. I’ve watched as just about every entity from college professors to Hollywood assholes to news media elites to that racist pig John Lewis plus all those little shit snowflakes freak out all over about Trump. Because he effects and harms the very being of these loathsome anti American shits I am now a Trump admirer so long as he tweets them into insanity. If he keeps screwing with their minds I just may become a Trump supporter.

    Trump may not be your real live bona fide conservative Republican. In fact he may really be a NY democrat like he’s always been but he has done more to fuck over the leftist elite democrats than ANY Republican I can recall including Reagan. As long as he keeps them pulling their hair out and tearing their clothes and spitting when they talk I’m with Trump.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 1/16/2017 @ 5:35 pm

    This is where I’m at. I grew up in NYC and have many leftist associates from my youth. We spar over politics quite often, even more so because we went to one of the elite high schools in NYC. They despise Trump. They hate that he is threatening to undo Obama’s legacy, they hate that he isn’t politically correct, they hate that he didn’t just roll over for Clinton. These same leftists claim that Romney or McCain would be acceptable, but not Trump. Think about that for a second. I think you’ll get why they’d prefer those two to Trump.

    Elissa, I agree with everything you wrote. I don’t read Gateway Pundit and I’ve avoided Red State ever since they went ban happy years ago for anyone that didn’t support the party line they posted. No thanks.

    I only read 3 sites regularly. Ace’s, Hot Air and this one. Otherwise it’s news.

    NJRob (43d957)

  94. Not to mention the vampires, it would take a crazy kazakh to make that into a film.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. Moderation?

    NJRob (43d957)

  96. Ahh,

    just realized that Hoagie’s remarks had a good deal of colorful language. Somehow I glossed over that when reading. Guess quoting it puts remarks in moderation.

    NJRob (43d957)

  97. Icy, I was merely pointing out a parallel, and quoting Talleyrand to finish the thought.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  98. But Hoagie’s original comment and my partial quote of it were not moderated.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  99. Well my comment is still in moderation and it certainly doesn’t have anything offensive in it other than the colorful language I quoted. Let me repost with an edit and see if that does it.

    NJRob (43d957)

  100. As mention before, the moderation algorithm sometimes picks up things one wouldn’t expect for reasons one wouldn’t expect, like terms that are not obscene but frequently found in spam.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  101. As I explained, I was and am not a Trump supporter. But I am an America supporter. I’ve watched as just about every entity from college professors to Hollywood a-holes to news media elites to that racist pig John Lewis plus all those little shit snowflakes freak out all over about Trump. Because he effects and harms the very being of these loathsome anti American shits I am now a Trump admirer so long as he tweets them into insanity. If he keeps screwing with their minds I just may become a Trump supporter.

    Trump may not be your real live bona fide conservative Republican. In fact he may really be a NY democrat like he’s always been but he has done more to F over the leftist elite democrats than ANY Republican I can recall including Reagan. As long as he keeps them pulling their hair out and tearing their clothes and spitting when they talk I’m with Trump.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 1/16/2017 @ 5:35 pm

    This is where I’m at. I grew up in NYC and have many leftist associates from my youth. We spar over politics quite often, even more so because we went to one of the elite high schools in NYC. They despise Trump. They hate that he is threatening to undo Obama’s legacy. t\They hate that he isn’t politically correct. They hate that he didn’t just roll over for Clinton. These same leftists claim that Romney or McCain would be acceptable, but not Trump.

    Think about that for a second. I think you’ll get why they’d prefer those two to Trump.

    Elissa, I agree with everything you wrote. I don’t read Gateway Pundit and I’ve avoided Red State ever since they went ban happy years ago for anyone that didn’t support the party line they posted. No thanks.

    I only read 3 sites regularly. Ace’s, Hot Air and this one. Otherwise it’s news.

    NJRob (43d957)

  102. Hmm. That one is moderated too. No idea why. I cannot figure it out.

    NJRob (43d957)

  103. I guess so MD. I just cannot figure out what’s there that would cause it to be considered spam.

    I’ll just wait for the filter to release. No big deal.

    NJRob (43d957)

  104. Now that you have mentioned it, Dana may look for it.
    But now that JD nor Pat are looking at it, it may take her awhile (assuming she has access to that part of the site).

    Before you and everyone leaves, SWC, maybe we should consider some other action plan for the future.

    haven’t seen Beldar for awhile, is he busy, or taking time away, or anyone know?
    Simon Jester?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  105. 29.I’d quibble with your caveat about “wild-eyed Trump supporters” – if you ain’t wild-eyed, you ain’t a Trump supporter. A lot of people who voted for Trump held their nose and voted for the lesser of two evils, knowing full well they were voting for somebody well-deserving of a lot of skepticism and a lot of criticism. That hardly qualifies them as a “Trump supporter” like the yapping little poodles who start snapping at anybody who dares to suggest that whether you worship Chocolate Jesus or Cheeto Jesus you’re still worshipping a false idol.
    Jerryskids (16a4d5) — 1/16/2017 @ 2:52 pm

    I was a nose holder. Not that it mattered in NY, but my district does have a Republican congresscritter. Which does matter. Because people like me showed up to vote. I’m in an actual swing district where turnout is decisive in who wins.

    gospace (3c33bb)

  106. I was once moderated because the filter took the final letters of one word and the first letters of the next word, and ignored the space between. The conflated word was a regrettable one, but not one I actually wrote.

    Kishnevi (a1a81b)

  107. Forgot to mention. Not only do I not have any quibble with prospective cabinet members and other appointees so far announced, I’m actually quite happy with them. Trump’s putting together a good team. Now let’s see what they do.

    gospace (3c33bb)

  108. Evan McMuffin almost got his neighbors to vote for him … almost! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  109. NJRob,

    I released your comment. I have no idea why it was moderated.

    Dana (023079)

  110. “Not only do I not have any quibble with prospective cabinet members and other appointees so far announced, I’m actually quite happy with them.”

    I’m very happy with them. This Crowley deal is peanuts and reflects just as poorly upon the vetting done by her previous employers and the Columbia doctoral program as it does upon Trump’s vetting team. The error made by Trump’s team was in misplacing trust on others to have done a proper job.

    Rick Ballard (1c290b)

  111. 95.Ahh,

    just realized that Hoagie’s remarks had a good deal of colorful language. Somehow I glossed over that when reading. Guess quoting it puts remarks in moderation.
    NJRob (43d957) — 1/16/2017 @ 7:22 pm

    That’s right, blame it on the white Christian guy! You want me on that wall! You need me on that wall!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  112. It’s kind of funny how the MSM did such a thorough investigation of Monica Crowley’s college work at Columbia, but not Barack’s work at Columbia.
    Wayne Allen Root was in the same poli sci classes at Columbia as Barack allegedly was taking, yet all sorts of people remember having class with Wayne.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  113. As long as Patterico is blogging I’ll be reading it and commenting. I get up in the morning, make coffee, click on my trading platform computer then turn on my “fun” computer and go to The First Street Journal, then Patterico, then the Pirates Cove, then the rest. And unless Patterico bans me or goes off the air (?) I’ll be here. I am interested in the topics the contributors blog on and I like the banter of the commenters. I’m hooked.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  114. Everybody’s out of sorts in January. It’s been scientifically surveyed.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. Who was her thesis advisor, they were the ones who recommended her to editing Nixon’s letters

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. Just a lovely way to honor Dr. King. Gunfire breaks out at Florida MLK Day celebration and 8 people shot.

    Juan Perez, Miami-Dade police director, took to Twitter to condemn the shooting by calling it “shameful” and “not what the followers of Dr. King Jr. want out of our community.”

    Police say among the eight people shot were three adults and five minors. An 18-year-old woman and 30-year-old Michael Clarke remain in stable condition while 20-year-old Jerome Battle is in critical condition, the Miami Herald reports. Three female teen victims — Lajada Benson, 14, Nakya-Senat Butler, 15, and Alfanesha Timesages, 17 — were taken to a local hospital in stable condition. Two other minors — Ciara Johnson, 11, and Keionna Green, 13 — were also grazed by bullets. They were treated and released at the scene, WTVJ-TV reports.

    Paradegoers who gathered to honor the civil rights leader quickly ran for cover when gunfire erupted and some were separated from their families during the chaos.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/people-shot-martin-luther-king-jr-day-celebrations-article-1.2947928

    elissa (377b6d)

  117. And here is news for happyfeet. The queen’s baaaack! Alive and kicking! He had her pegged as a for sure goner a couple weeks ago.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/queen-elizabeth-ii-2017-appearance-article-1.2940040

    elissa (377b6d)

  118. Thank you Dana.

    Hahaha Hoagie. I need to blame you to deflect the blame from my own privilege.

    NJRob (43d957)

  119. I want to thank you for the opportunity to be a part of Patterico’s Pontifications, both as a reader and a commenter. I can’t recall how I found you in the first place, but I think it was from a link at the old Beldar Blog. It was a fortuitous discovery. There is so much I love about this blog: your wonderful and evolving stable of guest bloggers, the community of commenters and, most of all, you. I felt right at home here and there was always something interesting to read. I spent more time on this blog than I’d ever be able to admit to my wife. Well, maybe now those improvements to the kitchen will finally get done.

    It has been obvious for some time that you’ve outgrown Patterico’s Pontifications. It is time for a change. And what better blog to join than RedState. I was a regular at RedState for a long time; it’s a good crew. RedState’s streiff is among the very best. You’ll fit in and do well. I wish you well at RedState and with everything else you do. Good luck.

    And don’t think you’re done with me quite yet; I’ll drop in from time to time to see what’s up here and at RedState.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  120. Hoagie, you were great today.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  121. what dark necromancy is this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. don’t start reciting byron just yet is my advice

    nk (dbc370)

  123. Look, can people lighten up, and stop taking things too seriously? If our host has asked that you email him personally if there is anything you’d like for him to be aware of, then shoot him an email. Obviously he would like to know what you’re thinking. It’s difficult to track every comment, response, question, complaint, etc., when one has a family and demanding career outside of this place. How about we just consider that for a bit, and not read into anything.

    That being said, It should be noted that he has made no mention of quitting the blog, no mention that he is considering it, and no mention that he is even that he is giving thought a to that. Those kinds of presumptions are just that. And unfounded.

    Let’s don’t complicate things and instead just focus on the posts and talk about them. If you have concerns, email Patrick at patterico@gmail.com.

    Dana (023079)

  124. Much like eurus holmes, the most unhingedvmber of the family, that series has jumped the megalodon.

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. Well, we have seen the intra-factional Democratic meltdown, notably between the Obama and Clinton factions. The intra-factional Republican meltdown was a bit more covert and subdued, but its progress has been observable as people double-down and force a dysfunctional convergence. Advantage: Democrat and foreign interests.

    nn (e79db6)

  126. For years now Hoft’s SOP has been if a story seems to good to be true, rush it to the top of the site with an all caps headline. For that reason I stopped paying attention to him years ago.

    Hoft is the conservative version of the writer who rushed into print in 1988 the story that Dan Quayle was a dope dealer. When the story collapsed because the sole source was Brett Kimberlin, then a federal inmate, the reporter never apologized for being a biased, credulous fool because, in his words “the story should have been true” because well, Quayle!

    NC Mountain Girl (eaf922)

  127. NC Mountain Girl, so Jim Hoft sold dope to Dan Quayle? Wut?

    By the way, I hear banjos … it sounds like they’re dueling! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  128. 125. NC Mountain Girl (eaf922) — 1/17/2017 @ 6:48 am

    For years now Hoft’s SOP has been if a story seems too good to be true, rush it to the top of the site with an all caps headline.

    Well, it needs to be rushed because the truth might catch up with it any time, and it won’t be worth anything. It could turn back into a pumpkin any minute.

    Well, not any minute, maybe – it’s always somewhat gradual. But the number of suckers for the story probably drops every minute, and no new ones are born. It shows up other places and gets refuted. Or it just expires because a prediction turns out to be untrue.

    Michelle Obama did not delete several years worth of her Twitter account in order to get rid of mentions of Hillary Clinton. The person who photographed Tillerson’s notes wasn’t a Washington Post reporter. There is nothing to the story about there being massive voter fraud in Wisconsin in favor of the Democrats (organized by the DNC from far away in Washington) about to be discovered through the hand recount. (the story didn’t say Michigan)

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)

  129. Mark singer, was the writer who ultimately debunked Voldemort’s claims, he has proven some things

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. Bow Lynn chu who knows about such publishing issues has some words about that other controversy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. NC Mountain Dew Girl wrote:

    Hoft is the conservative version of the writer who rushed into print in 1988 the story that Dan Quayle was a dope dealer. When the story collapsed because the sole source was Brett Kimberlin, then a federal inmate, the reporter never apologized for being a biased, credulous fool because, in his words “the story should have been true” because well, Quayle!

    Jim Hoft has a knack for finding stories, but you do have to sift through them, to check his sources; if you wouldn’t use his sources, then you shouldn’t cite his story. However, there are a lot of times when he does cite credible sources.

    The Dana who checks his sources (1b79fa)

  132. You can footnote things, and have accurate footnotes, and still be not really telling the truth.

    A New York Times columnist remmbers a well footnoted book, whose footnotes were accurate, but didn’t support what the book said:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/nyregion/a-1964-lesson-in-fake-news-that-still-applies.html

    Mr. Stormer stuffed his tale of conspiracy with anecdotes and examples of what he said was communist infiltration of school boards, courthouses, the State Department and the White House. Franklin D. Roosevelt was quoted as saying that some of his best friends were communists, with the Congressional Record cited as the source.

    Mr. Hunt said his English teacher, Lawrence Schaefer, had heard the chatter among the boys. They defended the reliability of the book by pointing to its 800 footnotes. “He brought us to the library,” Mr. Hunt said, and told the students to dig into the sources in the footnotes.

    They soon found a dog chasing its own tail. The Congressional Record did, in fact, contain Roosevelt’s supposed remarks on his friends the communists. But it wasn’t quoting him; they were in an essay by a man Roosevelt had driven from office, and who did not reveal this supposed conversation for 12 years — after the deaths of all the other people he claimed had been present.

    A full-fledged excavation of the book’s footnotes, “None Dare Call It Reason,” was published in monograph form in 1965 by Julian Foster, a political science professor at California State University, Fullerton, and five colleagues. It cataloged twisted quotes and distorted paraphrasing everywhere. (A copy was provided to me by Patricia Prestinary, the university archivist at Fullerton’s Pollak Library.)

    By Mr. Stormer’s account, the labor leader Walter P. Reuther wrote in a 1934 letter, “Carry on the fight for a Soviet America!” Indeed, it was frequently cited in the Congressional Record. The letter was an old hoax. Three different versions of it had appeared in the record, and three additional versions were in circulation.

    This reminds me of Barbara Honnegger’s book about the October Surprise, also full of footnotes (but some of the most important things weren’t footnoted)

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)


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