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6/25/2014

McDaniel Will Seek Recount

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:05 am

The lesson of this election, as someone wrote me, is this: establishment Republicans don’t need Tea Party votes . . . as long as they have Democrat votes. Apparently, establishment Republicans consider the two groups of voters to be interchangeable. Whatever it takes, right, guys?

McDaniel’s not happy about it.

McDaniel said Cochran’s decision to seek Democrats to vote for him in the Republican primary runoff was un-Republican. . . .

“Before this race ends, we have to be absolutely certain that the Republican primary was won by Republican voters. We will stand with courage, we will stand with judgment, we will stand with integrity. This is our fight conservatives. This is necessary. We are not prone to surrender, we Mississippians. A strong and sturdy people we are, a brave people we are, a people that can still lead the conservative revival in this country. We will lead the resurgence. That begins right here in Mississippi.”

What is this guy, Yoda?

He could actually learn some wisdom from the little guy.

If no mistake have you made, yet losing you are . . . a different game you should play.

73 Responses to “McDaniel Will Seek Recount”

  1. I don’t know much about Mississippi law but according to reports I heard yesterday Democrats who voted in the Democratic primary were ineligible to vote in the Republican runoff. So it seems to me that a recount aimed at detecting this and eliminating those votes would be very worthwhile and might change the result. Also there would be the usual types of irregularities that might be found–dead people voting, people voting twice, etc.

    Charlie Davis (ae637c)

  2. While I was rooting for McDaniel, Cochran played by the rules in place. It’s the total number of votes that matter, not the composition of those voting. If McDaniel wanted only GOP voters to determine the nominee, he could have moved to change the rules so that only registered GOP voters were eligible to vote in the runoff. He could also have campaigned for the votes of those more to the left. And, of course, he could have done better in the first vote so to make the runoff unnecessary.

    steve (369bc6)

  3. steve (369bc6) — 6/25/2014 @ 7:37 am

    If McDaniel wanted only GOP voters to determine the nominee, he could have moved to change the rules so that only registered GOP voters were eligible to vote in the runoff.

    There are none, in Mississippi. Mississipii is one of those states that doesn’t have registration by party. This was probably originally instituted to help the Republican Party, many years ago, but I might be wrong about that.

    The only way to determine party registration is by looking at what, if any, primary someone voted in earlier the same year (as party membership does not carry over from year to year)

    .

    Sammy Finkelman (9257c5)

  4. ==So it seems to me that a recount aimed at detecting this and eliminating those votes would be very worthwhile and might change the result. ==

    Charlie, secret ballot and all that, you know. Even if it were possible to detect some Dems who crossed over or who illegally voted in 2 primaries they could guess, but couldn’t claim to know for whom these ineligible votes were cast. That is, they couldn’t just automatically deduct them from Thad’s count.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  5. Mr. McDaniel: Beware of the Dark Side. Anger, fear, aggression; the Dark Side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.

    A.S. (23bc66)

  6. Concur. I’m sorry he lost, but a gap of 7000 is almost certainly too big to overcome in challenges and recounts. JMO.

    Mitch (341ca0)

  7. I read that you cannot vote in both Republican and Democratic primaries.

    I imagine McDaniel’s people will need access to the Democratic primary voting records vcprimary

    Davod (4cc250)

  8. We can fix this ludicrous excuse for a failed state at the ballot box.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  9. Check the Indian Reservations.
    Al Franken.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Charlie, secret ballot and all that, you know. Even if it were possible to detect some Dems who crossed over or who illegally voted in 2 primaries they could guess, but couldn’t claim to know for whom these ineligible votes were cast.

    I believe that ballots are numbered and this number is tagged to the voter. The ballots of illegal voters are discernible.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  11. OTOH, McDaniels needs to play the long game here. Cochran will retire soon enough, and he’s the odds-on successor. Since he’s run one campaign, he’s got the experience to win the next one handily. The only thing that could really screw it up would be to piss everyone off.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  12. ==I believe that ballots are numbered and this number is tagged to the voter.==

    Wow, if so, that’s about as far from secret ballot as one can get. I’ve election judged a lot of elections in two states and multiple jurisdictions. I have never seen what you describe. Do you have links that say this is how elections in Mississippi are run? Because I am pretty sure it’s completely illegal everywhere to track voters against actual cast ballots.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  13. elissa,

    I have never seen a MS ballot, but every ballot I have every cast has had a serial number. Perhaps the numbers are not written in the log book, perhaps they are. I always thought they were. I also thought that it would be a rolling pain to try to correlate that (and impossible to hide). It would allow one to back out particular votes, though, and do so without anyone knowing who voted for whom.

    If not this, then they must have some other way to enforce their rule. Do they prosecute people who vote again? I rather doubt it.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  14. And now that I think about it, I believe a serialized sticker is pasted into the log book when I am handed the ballot. Yes, it would allow them to figure out who voted for whom in great detail, but the scandal would be HUGE so they don’t. And they don’t need to. Precinct-level data is quite good enough for gerrymandering, and past that they don’t really care.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  15. my gut says the importunate lil teadoodle is being stupid but then I remember this robocall where geriatric animal-perv Thad Cochran called the teadoodles racist

    if McDaniel can somehow knock the teeth out of this odious p.o.s. geezer to where he goes down in the general

    it would be a beautiful thing

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  16. he should have had a debate w/ cochran. Oops, my bad: the Coch ran away from any debate.

    jb (6711e2)

  17. If someone voted in the Dem Primary, and then voted in the GOP runoff, that would be a violation of MS voting law, and they could be prosecuted for it – probably only a misdemeanor, and at worst, they’d end up raking leaves at the County Courthouse on a few Saturdays.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  18. askeptic,

    They could reasonably plead ignorance of having voted earlier. “Oh, was that what that election was about? It was, like, months ago.”

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  19. I am glad to see that some republican would rather have decent democrat votes then indecent racist tea party vermin votes.

    vota (897b7b)

  20. Because the future of the Establicans rests in getting folks who would never vote for them in the general into the primary, to guarantee they’re the ones they get to not vote for.

    PCachu (e072b7)

  21. Saaaayyyyy Whaaaaaaaaatttttttt?

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  22. Of course, no party registration and open primaries is the rule, not the exception, in the South, and has been for more than a century.

    Can’t speak for MS, but in SC those who voted in the “other” primary are lined out in the voter roll for the run-off. I suspect MS has a similar system, it’s really the easy way to ensure eligibility.

    The fact of the matter is McDaniel is not a good candidate. If he is truly innocent of any involvement in the nursing home scandal, he handled it like an idiot, refusing to answer questions or explain the contradictory statements from his campaign. “No staffers involved” is not innocent when three of the four arrested have ties to McDaniel, including his former radio co-host.

    Without that scandal, McDaniel wins in a walk the first time.

    Most states allow recounts if the difference between candidates is less than 1% of the vote. It doesn’t appear this runoff qualifies, so if he wants a recount he will have to pay for it.

    Estragon (ada867)

  23. 22. Estragon (ada867) — 6/25/2014 @ 1:05 pm

    Of course, no party registration and open primaries is the rule, not the exception, in the South, and has been for more than a century.

    Didn’t they have restrictive party membership rules in an attempt to prevent blacks from voting?

    Negroes could vote maybe sometimes, but only in the general election.

    Sammy Finkelman (9257c5)

  24. by now, all the ballots, voting records, etc, have been lost in a hard drive crash, so what difference, at this point, does a recount make?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  25. No Sammy, they used Poll Taxes, and Literacy Tests to keep Blacks from voting.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  26. Rand Paul needs to stop overcompensating so hard for his racist p.o.s. daddy i think.

    He just comes across as weird and clueless.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  27. @25 They also used the lynch rope to discourage black people from voting it is hard to vote when you are swinging from a tree!

    vota (897b7b)

  28. @24 the NSA will have back up copies you can get their copies same with lost irs e-mails!

    vota (897b7b)

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    69downloading (0dbccf)

  30. Sammy Finkleman wrote in #3,
    “…Mississippi is one of those states that doesn’t have registration by party. This was probably originally instituted to help the Republican Party, many years ago, but I might be wrong about that.”
    ———-

    Sammy, don’t you think that was intended to help the DEMOCRAT party, since the DEMOCRAT party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, et al ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  31. Particularly since these rules were written over a hundred years ago, and there were no Republicans south of the Mason-Dixon Line after Reconstruction.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  32. Without that scandal, McDaniel wins in a walk the first time.

    Most states allow recounts if the difference between candidates is less than 1% of the vote. It doesn’t appear this runoff qualifies, so if he wants a recount he will have to pay for it.

    Estragon (ada867) — 6/25/2014 @ 1:05 pm

    You’ve already been proven a liar on the previous thread, but you’ll be happy to double down. Why not mention all of Cochran’s nefarious deeds, from stealing and damaging tea party property to defamation and admitted corruption by using tax payer dollars to get elected?

    Crook.

    njrob (2f4947)

  33. “vota” is our elderly friend Perry, the retired union thug who resides in the Delaware Home for the Aged.
    He’s been taking medication for his various ailments, but his doctor has warned him against mixing it with Mike’s Hard Lemonade.

    Obviously, Perry has not been listening to his doctor.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  34. I actually think that if McDaniel had a top-notch campaign manager, and listened to him, the nursing home scandal could have been nipped in the bud, and he could have won outright during the primary.
    Too many times when someone is stepping up from a state (district) office to state-wide or federal, they rely on the same people who have been with them for a long time (loyalty is valued, but expertise is vital – that’s why you have Campaign Managers, and Campaign Chairmen) who find that they are out of their element in a big campaign.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  35. Mark Levin busted a gasket again on his radio show !?….zzzzzz.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  36. when the GOP uses the same ‘get out the vote’ tactics as the Democrats, and do not appeal on the basis of principles, like Haley, Jindal, Tim Scott, they get what they deserve,

    narciso (3fec35)

  37. The only way for conservatives to win is to play hardball – the same sort of hardball Cochran and other moderate Republicans have, to date, employed with impunity. Every conservative in MS should vote for the Democratic senatorial candidate in the general election, as well as for Democrats in all down-ballot races with Cochran allies on the ticket. Punish them all. This is the only way to stop the treachery of these dishonorable RINOs.

    If they are never held accountable, they will never stop this corrupt behavior.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    ThOR (130453)

  38. Yes, because Democrats support harmful policies, so the best way to defeat their harmful policies is to elect them. And electing Democrats will show everyone that we hate Democrats.
    Or something !

    (facepalm.)

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  39. Let his new Democratic friends bail him out, it’s not as if they would purge the likes of him, because of some errant statement, oh, scratch that.

    narciso (3fec35)

  40. Cochran must be so excited that he has difficulty falling asleep at night. Ya think he counts sheep?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. Yes, because Democrats support harmful policies, so the best way to defeat their harmful policies is to elect them. And electing Democrats will show everyone that we hate Democrats.
    Or something !

    (facepalm.)

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/25/2014 @ 5:27 pm

    When Cochran runs on a platform targeting leftists that explicitly says, don’t vote for the tea party guy because he wants to cut government and take away your programs… oh and he’s a racist, yeah there’s no difference between electing a democrat or electing a Cochran.

    NJRob (1d8873)

  42. NJRob, I don’t like Cochran at all, or his tactics either. But please reread ThOr’s comment in full. ( That is what ES`was responding to.) Does what ThOr said actually make sense to you? Does that seem logical? Does that feel like a productive act or series of acts that will actually make a positive difference in governance? Because frankly, I just don’t see it. How does that make “them” (and especially Dems if they’re being rewarded for it) stop corrupt behavior?

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  43. voting for a race-baiting whore like Thad Cochran who does so much to perpetuate Mississippi’s hateful legacy of racism is not an honorable thing to do

    if McDaniel doesn’t run as a write-in then the respectable, Christian thing to do is to either not vote or to vote for Travis Childers

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  44. Cochran’s tactic, can easily boomerang with Childers throwing it back at him, are those 35,000 going to vote for Cochran in the general, how many did he tick off in the interim,

    narciso (3fec35)

  45. NJRob, I don’t like Cochran at all, or his tactics either. But please reread ThOr’s comment in full. ( That is what ES`was responding to.) Does what ThOr said actually make sense to you? Does that seem logical? Does that feel like a productive act or series of acts that will actually make a positive difference in governance? Because frankly, I just don’t see it. How does that make “them” (and especially Dems if they’re being rewarded for it) stop corrupt behavior?

    elissa (0b3bcd) — 6/25/2014 @ 7:10 pm

    What has the GoP done to deserve my vote? That’s a serious question.

    Spending to oblivion.
    Trying to pass amnesty to dilute my vote.
    Calling me a racist because I believe in limited government.
    Trying to “crush” the tea party.

    Shall I go on?

    njrob (c5242c)

  46. Maybe we could afford it without Obama in the White House but not now. We need a majority and a Republican majority leader in the Senate.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. Mr. narciso Senator Cochran is convinced he can make black people dance dance dance a merry jig to his merry tune

    at least in the counties where dancing is legal

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  48. I think I understand your anger, njrob, because I do share many of the same concerns you’ve stated. But with respect, you really did not answer my question. How will electing more Liberal Democrats make things better? That’s the part of the “plan” that escapes me.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  49. electing addled geezers who tell people that it’s racist to believe in limited government doesn;t help anyone at all in america anywhere you know why?

    cause it’s a lie

    if you vote for a lying slut like Thad Cochran you’re voting for pork and sleaze and racism

    and that’s wrong

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  50. *doesn’t* help anyone at all I mean

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  51. happyfeet, try to keep up. The discussion emanating here from Mr. ThOR’s comment is much broader than whether or not to vote for Mr. Cochran.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  52. well we’re certainly voting for the first two, without evidence I’m not going for the third, in his wiki, it says he is credited with the relief package for Katrina, as if anyone was going to vote no, after Kanye and Van Jones’s ‘je accuse’ of malign neglect

    narciso (3fec35)

  53. well first of all elissa i stand against racism

    let’s be 100% clear on that – so no Thad Cochran for me

    second of all we should run a True American against Meghan’s coward p.o.s. brainwashed daddy too if he runs in 2016

    also, Team R needs to dump its chambermaid whore leadership and get leaders people can’t take seriously

    also I have better things to do on election day than to vote for establishment chambermaid republican whoresluts for example I can go to Du-par’s for tasty pancakes

    I saw James Gandolfini there right before he keeled over and went kaput

    he was picking up a large order of pastries

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  54. oops

    i meant leaders people *CAN* take seriously

    i guess i was already thinking about the tasty pancakes

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  55. this is why you don’t ‘dial to eleven’

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=54152

    narciso (3fec35)

  56. == leaders people *CAN* take seriously==

    Like Harry Reid? OK I get it. Having Harry Reid as Senate majority leader for 2 more years of the Obama presidency is just fine with you.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  57. I think I understand your anger, njrob, because I do share many of the same concerns you’ve stated. But with respect, you really did not answer my question. How will electing more Liberal Democrats make things better? That’s the part of the “plan” that escapes me.

    elissa (0b3bcd) — 6/25/2014 @ 7:55 pm

    By getting the leftists out of my party. Right now leftists run both parties. We’ve seen how well the establishment reacts when they lose to a conservative. They either recruit him or actively turn against him and support the leftist.
    Examples in Alaska, Virginia, Indiana, Mississippi and on and on.

    I’d rather the Arlen’s of the world stay true to their leftist world view rather than pretend to support me, but betray me when it counts.

    njrob (c5242c)

  58. i’m just a racist tea-bagger

    help me

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  59. == leaders people *CAN* take seriously==

    Like Harry Reid? OK I get it. Having Harry Reid as Senate majority leader for 2 more years of the Obama presidency is just fine with you.

    elissa (0b3bcd) — 6/25/2014 @ 8:32 pm

    Honest question:

    How does having McConnell as majority leader advance conservative beliefs or the cause of limited government?

    njrob (c5242c)

  60. Just ditch the Zombie sh!theads and run in a three-fer.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  61. There will always be an extenuating circumstance excusing conservatives from behaving in a tough-minded and principled manner. This mindset and the resulting legacy of go-along-to-get-along pols has left the Republican Party wholly unprepared for the ruthlessness of our opponent.

    The problem isn’t so much a rogue President – there will always be Presidents who want to be Princes – but an opposition party that has neither the courage nor the skill set to take him on. Obama isn’t strong; we’re weak. As long as we continue to rationalize giving support to the Cochrans of our party, we will remain so.

    ThOR (130453)

  62. Honest answer:
    #1.Who says it would be McConnell?
    #2.If you can’t already see multiple advantages in booting crazy lying Majority Leader Reid from his position of power and liberal over-reach as soon as is possible, then I really can’t help you.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  63. Honest answer:
    #1.Who says it would be McConnell?
    #2.If you can’t already see multiple advantages in booting crazy lying Majority Leader Reid from his position of power and liberal over-reach as soon as is possible, then I really can’t help you.

    elissa (0b3bcd) — 6/25/2014 @ 8:48 pm

    1) congressman Mccarthy says hello.

    2) so does the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.

    njrob (c5242c)

  64. I’ve honestly tried to be respectful to you njrob. If you think it’s preferable for your purposes to still have Nancy Pelosi rather than Boehner/McCarthy, or continue to have Harry Reid because we didn’t manage to take the senate back in a year when America is very down on Dems, that’s your prerogative. But I’m sorry –I can’t agree with you.

    elissa (0b3bcd)

  65. Maybe it’s time for the right to stop identifying itself as “Republicans” or “Conservatives” or “Libertarians.” How about we identify ourselves as Americans who want people to succeed through work, faith and freedom? That’s the reason we have all of those kids infiltrating the border.

    Those poor kids are here because of our promise and the people we have chosen to lead us. Now we have to sort through this mess by our own decisions.

    Maybe it’s time to stop and say there is a better way. Goodness knows the current way is not working.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  66. well here’s the thing, how you appeal to the voters, determines the mandate you will have, unless you’re a democrat, then it doesn’t much matter;

    “Well, if Republicans are going to act like Democrats, then what’s the use in getting all gung ho about getting Republicans in there?” Palin said. “So yeah, f Republicans aren’t going to stand strong on the planks in our platform, then it does no good to get all enthused about them anymore.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/mississippi-runoff-thad-cochran-sarah-palin-108278.html#ixzz35iOoDnV1

    narciso (3fec35)

  67. 31. 32 My question was, were they written 100 years ago?

    It was in Texas that voting in primaries was restricted to party members or those that the aparty said could vote. Theer weer several supreme court cases about that.

    Sammy Finkelman (9257c5)

  68. Maybe God will do the right thing and make Cochran’s term a lot shorter than 6 years.

    Michael Gandy (d72a19)

  69. I think there’s a good chance Cochran will retire after a couple of years.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  70. I think there’s a good chance Cochran will retire after a couple of years.

    He’ll croak before giving up his seat.

    Hadoop (f7d5ba)

  71. I think the conventional wisdom is that he was not even set on running for re-election this cycle—rather, he was talked into it.
    His wife has Alzheimer’s, and his own mental capacities appear to be deteriorating a little bit. (And that’s not intended to be a crack at him.)

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)


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