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4/7/2014

Ezra Klein: Global Warming Must Be Handled RIGHT AWAY!!!! But the National Debt Crisis? Not So Much

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:52 am

With a new bonus email to me from Klein!

Ezra Klein has a giant, long post about how politics makes people less logical. I guess this is the Vox way: it pretends to be even-handed, but of course it’s the usual lefty Klein claptrap. If you make it all the way through to the end, you’ll see countless arguments about ways that Republicans are supposedly unreasonable about political issues, and precious few (none?) making the same criticisms of Democrats.

But never mind Ezra and his boring overall point. I want to focus on this passage at the very end:

A political movement that fools itself into crafting national policy based on bad evidence is a political movement that will, sooner or later, face a reckoning at the polls.

At least, that’s the hope. But that’s not true on issues, like climate change, where action is needed quickly to prevent a disaster that will happen slowly. There, the reckoning will be for future generations to face.

This, coming from the organization that just told us in a simplistic video that the national debt is not a problem “right now.”

There is, of course, one difference between the problem caused by global warming and the problems caused by the national debt — even if you do accept all the arguments of the global warming crowd (I don’t). That is this: when the fiscal crash happens, it will happen quickly. Probably in a day or two. It may seem slow now, but when the rollercoaster reaches the top of the hill, hang on.

So how does Klein deal with the evident contradiction between his treatment of two issues he supposedly considers pressing in the long run? The answer may very well amuse you.

You see, I recently criticized Klein, Matt Yglesias, and the Vox people for putting out a video that argued that the national debt simply isn’t a problem — at least “right now.” When Ezra Klein and I were exchanging emails about my criticism, I published them — but I never did get around to publishing his last email to me. I am pleased to do so now, because the contrast between the way he treats the issue of the national debt and the way he treats global warming is so amusing.

For context, let me provide what I sent to him first. (Note that my email follows on the heels of him haughtily claiming: “I don’t think you actually understand” the issues in a 2011 post of his that I cited as an example of his contradictory views on whether to include intragovernmental debt in the national debt.) I said:

Thanks for that CBO link. If CBO is an authority, why not listen to them regarding the effect of debt? Do you “understand” what you linked? Here is a quote: “CBO estimates that federal debt held by the public will equal 74 percent of GDP at the end of this year and 79 percent in 2024 (the end of the current 10-year projection period). Such large and growing federal debt could have serious negative consequences, including restraining economic growth in the long term, giving policymakers less flexibility to respond to unexpected challenges, and eventually increasing the risk of a fiscal crisis (in which investors would demand high interest rates to buy the government’s debt).”

Serious negative consequences?? Only looking at debt held by the public? But Matt and Ezra told us it was nothing to worry about!!!

Klein responded:

You really seem to me to be spoiling for a fight but I don’t want to fight with you. I’m not even sure we’re disagreeing now.

As CBO and Bernanke say, the debt is a real long-term problem. As Matt says, it is not a problem *right now*. As I have written many times, I’d like to see a package passed that increases support for the economy now through spending and tax cuts and includes much larger spending cuts and tax increases as the labor market recovers.

This is also, btw, Bernanke’s position.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/27/ben-bernanke-to-congress-youre-doing-it-wrong/

All that said, you and I will disagree on policy recommendations. My point to you is 1) that public debt is the correct measure for the video and 2) that it’s clearly labeled. I really do think I’ve made those points to the best of my ability. Beyond that, I don’t think we’re going to resolve much. Have a good night!

So, in summary: on climate change, “action is needed quickly to prevent a disaster that will happen slowly.” But in dealing with the “real long-term problem” of our unsustainable debt, these Vox people put out a video that emphasizes it is not a problem “right now.”

As a friend of mine told me after I shared Klein’s email with him:

I anxiously await the Voxplainer: “Stop Freaking Out Over Global Warming.”

Heh.

68 Responses to “Ezra Klein: Global Warming Must Be Handled RIGHT AWAY!!!! But the National Debt Crisis? Not So Much”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. Something that is not borne out by “science”, and the causal connection is asserted rather than proven, is an immediate impending crisis.

    JD (5a9bdf)

  3. “There is, of course, one difference between the problem caused by global warming and the problems caused by the national debt ”

    One exists? One is proven to be caused by man?

    JD (5a9bdf)

  4. Climate change could also hapepn quickly (although that’s more likely for a sudden cooling than a warming)

    But for that, you’d have to believe in chaos theory – and if you beleived in chaos theory, youd understand that small movements in value of carbon dioxide or whatever, might actually have the opposite effect than what you intend.

    There is no basis for this assumption that what we do now matters, but what people do many years from now will not. This is just pulled out of the air.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  5. As CBO and Bernanke say, the debt is a real long-term problem. As Matt says, it is not a problem *right now*. As I have written many times, I’d like to see a package passed that increases support for the economy now through spending and tax cuts and includes much larger spending cuts and tax increases as the labor market recovers.

    This is also, btw, Bernanke’s position.

    So Ezra Klein is on record as wanting spending cuts and tax cuts in the short term to goose the economy, or did he mistype and forget to place the word “increases” after spending? Isn’t that what his side is stuck on, the idea that a short term “stimulus” (a term that should be ripe for derision after the Obama follies) would include increased government spending to allegedly create jobs? Or has Ezra finally seen the light and agrees now that we need to immediately address the sluggish economy by instituting a tax cut which is 100% offset by spending cuts? Somehow I have a hard time believing that he is really onboard with that, but I would love to be pleasantly surprised.

    JVW (9946b6)

  6. Comment by JVW (9946b6) — 4/7/2014 @ 9:08 am

    did he mistype and forget to place the word “increases” after spending?

    Probably, although there might be several different ways to correct that. He’s tyoing so fast he tends to forgot spending and taxes require different verbs.

    His whole program is simpleminded and unreal. If the economy grows, you automatically get both spending cuts and revenue increases.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  7. A coercive political movement united on the principle of unlimited submission to the federal government and dedicated to expanding the specific limitations contained in the US Constitution assumes undelegated powers, which are devoid of legitimate authority and are thus void, and subject to nullification by the states.

    ropelight (c19f3f)

  8. Ostensibly, with the SOI moving from near negative to near positive in a matter of days 2 weeks ago we’re in line for an El Nino.

    Warming from the S. China sea north in a ‘C’ shape pattern to the Sea of Okhotsk and thereabouts, the adjacent Pacific should mean a drop in the jet stream to mainland entry over S. California pushing drought conditions to the Deep South.

    This should attenuate the shrill clamor for Climate Armageddon, Gaia punishing Red States.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  9. As Hemingway once said, ““How did you go bankrupt?”
    Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

    ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

    Mike K (cd7278)

  10. For me, the suspicion of the severity/validity of AGW claims comes from the scientific dishonesty of failing to engage with critics, other than by ad hominem attacks. Global Warming has all the hallmarks of a cult religion, and almost nothing of science.

    J Story (904f89)

  11. It’s ironic how Ezra Klein believes that “global warming” is man-made, but he doesn’t really care if the national debt is man-made.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  12. Have the U.S. government’s borrowing costs increased as a result of a failure to reduce or meaningfully address global warming? Maybe Ezra knows the answer. I’m pretty sure he does know the answer what happens to our borrowing costs as a result of higher debt levels and credit downgrades.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  13. For me, the suspicion of the severity/validity of AGW claims comes from the scientific dishonesty of failing to engage with critics, other than by ad hominem attacks. Global Warming has all the hallmarks of a cult religion, and almost nothing of science.

    When you use cherry-picked proxy data and computer models that can’t reproduce current climate conditions with KNOWN data, then you have a problem calling is scientific.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (54caf1)

  14. Climate Change in a nutshell …..

    Can’t agree on the hypothesis.

    Can’t agree on the data collection.

    Can’t agree on the analysis.

    Settled science for Malthusians.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ca9e04)

  15. The scientific data shows that Ezra Klein and the “global warming” proponents are full of hot air.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  16. Old news, but we’re on the horns of a demographic dilemma:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/why-feds-dual-mandate-doomed-2-simple-charts

    I cannot vouch for the Cali entrails but here they is:

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/04/hows-your-blood-pressure.html

    Amnesty will not only fix nothing, it will make it all much worse–fewer jobs, more entitlements, reduced government services.

    Your standard of living will return to the Dust Bowl from whence it came.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  17. how is climate change a disaster again?

    you pansy americans need to stop whining about the weather and suck it up

    you look ridiculous

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  18. I simply cannot stand the treatment of Global Warming (or Climate Change or whatever the hell they are gonna call it next week) as if it were an example of a Tragedy of the Commons problem. There is not a single shred of scientific evidence to prove that it is a TotC scenario (and indeed given the complexity of the climate system such proof logically cannot exist). Still, we are shrieked at continually that we need to suspend normal democratic governace and even free and open discourse(!) in order to avoid a TotC fate they cannot know actually exists.

    The thing is all of their actions are indistinguishable from an old fashioned power grab. The confluence of money, industry and government that is the Warmist lobby today is a truly frightening proposition, particularly when they have so clearly outlined their illiberal goals.

    Rich Horton (8bdefa)

  19. If they were properly focused on Iran’s nukes, Putin’s belligerence, unleashed viruses, space junk, Obama’s lawlessness, and the impending global financial meltdown they wouldn’t be writing silly juvenile columns on “climate change” and wetting their pants over it, is my thinking.

    elissa (b364f8)

  20. And any President whose wife flies halfway to all the way to China for a little vacation should probably not be lecturing the rest of us about the carbon emissions emanating from our SUVs.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  21. 13. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/7/2014 @ 11:26 am

    Have the U.S. government’s borrowing costs increased as a result of a failure to reduce or meaningfully address global warming? Maybe Ezra knows the answer.

    Which is no.

    I’m pretty sure he does know the answer what happens to our borrowing costs as a result of higher debt levels and credit downgrades.

    Nothing. The answer is still no.

    Nothing happens, and nothing ever has since the at least World War I.

    Don’t you know the historical record?

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  22. It is possible something could happen, gradually and then suddenly, but this would be the result of a policy choice.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  23. 22. See the first link at 17.

    “Don’t you know the historical record?”

    You should really monitor your fingers and hit the refresh key when ever they tap out open ended admonishments of other commenters.

    Our dearest daley is one of the more knowledgeable loiterers regarding financial matters and you are among the very least.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  24. The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) released a report claiming that CNN got climate science “wrong” in 30 percent of its segments on global warming largely because they allowed actual debate to happen on man-made global warming. UCS noted that allowing debate on the subject “suggests that established climate science is still widely debated among scientists” and allows global warming skeptics to confuse the public with their dissenting comments. “The biggest step that CNN could take to increase accuracy is to stop hosting debates about established climate science and instead focus debates on whether and how to respond to climate change through climate policy,” said UCS.

    Since the “science is settled” why do we need a bunch of whiny scientists ?

    The whole point is to control the citizens of this country through carbon taxes and other restrictions on the use of resources, no matter if they be publicly or privately held.

    The worst possible scenario is to have this handled by a group of political neophytes like do-gooding scientists. It’s now time for them to STFU and let the professional politicians extract the proper quid pro quos and bring corruption in a manner befitting of the potential financial rewards at stake.

    Neo (d1c681)

  25. It’s Monday, April 7, 2014, but the weather is like mid-March, or maybe November.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  26. 24. Daleyrocks talked about interest rates going up because of the climbing federal debt.

    But I believe the historical record over the last century actually shows that greater deficits and higher debt are associated with lower interest rates on the federal debt, not higher interest rates.

    This is still true:

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21960

    The past few years have seen a sharp rise in the debt of the federal government. At the end of fiscal year 2008, debt held by the public amounted to $5.8 trillion–equal to 40 percent of the nation’s annual economic output (gross domestic product, or GDP), a little above the 40-year average of 35 percent. Since then, debt held by the public has shot upward, surpassing $9 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2010–equal to 62 percent of GDP, the highest percentage since shortly after World War II…. At the same time, a sharp drop in interest rates has held down the amount of interest that the government pays on that debt. In 2010, net interest outlays totaled $197 billion, or 1.4 percent of GDP–a smaller share of GDP than they accounted for during most of the past decade.

    I don’t know why anyone persists in talking as if the U.S. Dollar were not the world’s reserve currency, and the Federal Reserve Board did not exist.

    This is one form of American exceptionalism.

    Vladimir Putin couldn’t do it, China couldn’t this and is jealous, a city or a state couldn’t do it, but the United States federal government can do it.

    At least if we don’t go too far, and we’re not there yet.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  27. 27. Samuel, during November 2013 the Treasury rolled over $4 Trillion in maturing bills. Because the surfeit of supply depressed demand over the short term an extra $100 Billion in commissions and increased interest was paid.

    We have discussed this before with charts. That the matter has swirled down your memory hole changes nothing.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  28. Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 4/7/2014 @ 3:24 pm

    Samuel, during November 2013 the Treasury rolled over $4 Trillion in maturing bills. Because the surfeit of supply depressed demand over the short term an extra $100 Billion in commissions and increased interest was paid.

    We have discussed this before with charts. That the matter has swirled down your memory hole changes nothing.

    I missed it. $100 billion would be 2 1/2%. The Treasury isn’t paying anywhere near 2.5%, let alone 2.5% extra. What are you talking about? Could you link now so I can see what you are talking about??

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  29. Around 7 a.m, the air outside here was filled with smoke. Not inside. I was told this came from a forest fire in New Jersey. It was still there around 8 am. Smoke didn’t get here after September 11, 2001.

    By 1:30 (and probably earlier) it was gone.

    At about 5:30 pm it started raining, somewhat more than a drizzle.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  30. The whole “global warming must be handled right away !!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!1!!” deal is typical Alinsky 101, where they create an emergency which must be solved their way, right away.
    How often have we heard Obama, when speaking about an issue, say, “We can’t wait,” “We must act now,” “We can’t afford to wait,” blah, blah, blah.
    The truth is, they want to act right now because they know that if people were to step back and examine the situation, they’d end up rejecting it.

    Ultimately, this is all the consequence of an election.
    Don’t let anyone convince you that voting isn’t important.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  31. No this is the consequence of deliberately inculcated ignorance and stupidity, which led to such a stupid election result, mind arson is the way one might call it,

    narciso (3fec35)

  32. Like I said, don’t allow anyone to convince you that voting isn’t important.
    After all, if you don’t win, you don’t get to govern.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  33. 31. Sammy, seriously, what is the point to my taking a half and hour or more of my time to make a point.

    Will you remember it tomorrow? Have you once?

    Will you learn to do your own work?

    Will I not be asked to repeat this whole exercise in a month or three?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  34. 35. “After all, if you don’t win, you don’t get to govern.”

    Indeed.

    And voting Republican I cannot win.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  35. Well you don’t beat something with nothing, so what point did our standard bearer stake out;

    “I believe that climate change is occurring — the reduction in the size of global ice caps is hard to ignore. I also believe that human activity is a contributing factor. I am uncertain how much of the warming, however, is attributable to factors out of our control.”

    narciso (3fec35)

  36. It seems our attention is often directed toward crisis, whose origin is not what we think they are;

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

    yes, in this crazy bearded spock universe, Hersh makes sense,

    narciso (3fec35)

  37. At least you guys admit that you don’t plan to vote Republican against Hillary Clinton in 2016.

    Proof that Utopia isn’t just for breakfast anymore just for left wingers anymore !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  38. 39. You’ve convinced me, its all Nietzsche’s fault.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  39. 40. “At least you guys admit..”

    Not exactly, we admit that we won’t win.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  40. For your evening delectation:

    The fragility of our debt financed oil dependent just in time global supply chain system is beyond the comprehension of the average zombie American. They are too distracted by mass consuming the products dependent on that very same fragile scheme. They are clueless zombie-like dupes who believe $20 bills magically appear in ATMs, Funyuns and Cheetos miraculously materialize on Wal-Mart shelves, gasoline endlessly bubbles up from the ground into the hose they stick in their $40,000 monster SUVs “bought” with a 0% seven year loan from Ally Financial, and that enchanted plastic card with a magnetic strip empowers them to fulfill every craving like a zombie feeding on a dead carcass.

    There is a worldwide currency and petroleum war being waged today as too much fiat currency is chasing a dwindling amount of cheap petroleum supplies. The developed world has experienced a century of relative illusory prosperity as cheap easy to access fuel and cheap easy to print fiat currency have led zombies to believe progress and prosperity are their god given right. The most highly educated zombies will be the most shocked when they realize the reality they believed was all an illusion. The Starbucks “Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato” crowd who isolate themselves in their 100% financed 5,000 square foot luxury cookie cutter brick McMansions amidst 200 other identical McMansions occupied by reclusive strangers in enclaves pretentiously named The Preserve at Meadow Lakes, and driving multiple leased BMWs, are about as prepared for a collapse of modern society as a helpless child. The suburban wasteland of strip malls, office parks, and fast food joints is completely dependent upon an endless supply of cheap oil and cheap credit.

    The cracks in this delusionary foundation are visible for all to see as Space Available signs outnumber actual businesses, pothole dotted highways deteriorate, sewer lines crack, and houses in disrepair outnumber those being kept up. It takes money to keep a home from deteriorating and it happens to be in short supply for 90% of the population. Despite the non-stop money printing operation at the Fed and the mainstream media fantasy stories of shale oil energy independence, the suburban dream is turning into a nightmare. When the inevitable financial implosion strikes in the next few years, the illusion of progress will come to an end. The inner cities will explode in violence and will burn. The police will be helpless and scared. There will be death on a large scale.

    Suburbia will turn into a lawless landscape where neighbors turn on each other, as they have failed to create real communities. The isolation and seclusion which have marked suburban existence for the last thirty years will contribute to the creation of criminal gangs looting and pillaging stores, businesses and unprotected homes. After the collapse the only people likely to survive relatively unscathed are rural folk. Farmers, ranchers and those capable of living off the land have the abilities to endure a breakdown in our modern society. These people are prepared, know how to use firearms and create communities of self-sufficiency. No one will thrive in the world coming our way, but those not dependent upon or tied to our modern societal paradigm have a better chance to survive.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  41. well we need more of the shale oil, and less of the quantitative easing, I think that is more a catch all screed, that doesn’t really solve anything,

    narciso (3fec35)

  42. 44. “catch all screed”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/98-all-consumer-credit-past-year-was-used-student-and-car-loans

    Please consider this word “solution”. Had we not bailed out AIG to the tune of $50 Billion and let foreign banks fail, permitting contagion, allowed foreclosures to begin completion after six months, allowed the published unemployment rate to spike to 25%, yada, yada, would we not have reached a bottom by now?

    The solution begins with a bounce.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  43. I see your point, but before we invite the strigoi of Del toro’s imaginings;

    To say they are not being helpful, is an understatement,

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/07/the-next-painful-nlrb-regulation/

    narciso (3fec35)

  44. Category error here, first by taking Klein in the first place:

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/04/07/conservative-medias-perceived-wonk-gap/

    narciso (3fec35)

  45. The whole point is to control the citizens of this country through carbon taxes and other restrictions on the use of resources, no matter if they be publicly or privately held

    And to make sure that the Al Gore’s of America and their investments receive a nice return, and that all the Solyndras out there get more than their fair share.

    As for the religion of Saint Environmentalism, which is merging with the religion of Saint Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgendered, and the religion of Saint Undocumented Immigrant, and the religion of Saint Obamacare, and the religion of Saint Food Stamps, and the religion of Saint Abortion, and the religion of Saint Gun Control, it’s important that the devout, observant liberal prostate him or herself in front of the holy altar of Leftism at least 3 times a day.

    As-salamu alaykum.

    Mark (14c5d3)

  46. developed world

    Esp the US. Europe, at least some, remember the chaos of war on their own turf.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  47. “Our dearest daley is one of the more knowledgeable loiterers regarding financial matters and you are among the very least.”

    gary – Thank you. As you point out, Sammy really understands very little of this material. He has a tendency to disappear from threads when you point out errors in his thinking and logic to him only to reappear spouting the same nonsense mere days later.

    Some days I just don’t take the time to play with him. I have kids of my own who are now grown and work with pre-teen and teenage boys several days a week. Sammy is like the kids I work with now.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  48. Nuclear winter theory, first published in 1983, firmly rests of the soundest of sciences.

    How many nukes does Ezra Klein estimate that we should set off to counteract climate change?

    Michael Ejercito (906585)

  49. 50. And we respect your contribution to our yout.

    Frankly, I’m finding we’ve a far more practical generation emerging than the magical-thinking thirtysomethings.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  50. I haven’t paid much attention to this “Vox” thing, but it seems to be another reincarnation of a favorite and ubiquitous theme, some print or other media thing that claims to be objective when it isn’t. I guess it is easy to construct straw men and burn them for effect than deal with valid concerns. One person has made a career out of it and is now famous with a job with the most awesome perks.

    I guess it must be easier to get paid to do that than to have shows and such that point out the fallacies. The result of not teaching people how to think. I would enjoy teaching people to think, not sure how I would support my family at it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  51. It’s Ezra, he always gets it wrong, now is it error or deliberate action,

    narciso (3fec35)

  52. Comment by Michael Ejercito (906585) — 4/7/2014 @ 11:06 pm

    How many nukes does Ezra Klein estimate that we should set off to counteract climate change?

    They never put 2 and 2 together.

    Of course nuclear bombs also release radiation, but you can run jets over the arctic and release sulfer dioxide. And the effect is temporary, so if you overshoot, or it turns out to be a mistake, the effects will go away within a year or two.

    Another thing that could be done is sedding the Pacific Ocean with fertilizer – I think it is iron – to take more carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, but they’ve been quietly negotiating treaties to remove that loophole, and make it illegal.

    And of course another issue is the proiblem carbon dioxode, or warming. It seems like what they complain about is melting ice or the possibility of melting icem a rise in the sea level, and more violent storms.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  53. nuclear war is bad, but the TTAPS modeling (sic) was designed to rationalize the nuclear freeze, which happened to be an object of the KGB at the time, not a coincidence as Tretyakov pointed out how Carl Sagan was fooled by this,

    narciso (3fec35)

  54. I would enjoy teaching people to think, not sure how I would support my family at it.

    Not to mention that there’s no known antidote for hemlock.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. I think Brezhnev actually believed in “nuclear winter.”

    Why that should scare people any more than a nuclear exchange did before, I don’t know.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  56. Vampires will be able to come out during the day.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. is it error or deliberate action,
    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 4/8/2014 @ 6:28 am

    One of life’s persistent mysteries, on so many occasions.
    Off to do other stuff…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  58. I think it’s deliberate, unless he is such a plagiarizer (of ideas at least) that he doesn’t understand what he is writing.

    Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c)

  59. happyfeet #18 – pansy americans like CO2 – cuz it’s like totally food for ‘em …

    Alastor (e7cb73)

  60. In light of what we have found out about the rebels,

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304441304579479500649988892

    narciso (3fec35)

  61. Further affirmation of why Young Ezra needs to be kept separate from sharp objects, including pencils.
    Compared to the climate variations and trends of Mother Gaia, economics can be turned on a dime – or would that be a micro-dot.

    What A Maroon!

    askeptic (8ecc78)


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