Birthmageddon: the Long Form Birth Certificate Released? (Update: Picture Added!); UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Is This Really the “Long Form”?? (Further Update: Yeah, Probably)
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: So the “long form” — which supposedly cannot possibly be obtained by the President, because Hawaii supposedly never ever ever ever releases it (at least according to those who have confidently told me this) — has been released. [UPDATE: But see my UPDATE x2. I don't think it actually has been. At least, I'm not sure.]
And it is certified, which Hawaii supposedly cannot possibly ever ever ever do (according to the same people).
Looks like those of us who said the President had the ability to do this were right.
Now the question becomes: why didn’t the President do this long ago? In our most recent thread, we debated this. After all, he was being sued and spending campaign money to defend those lawsuits. Why not get the original evidence? Hawaii law allowed it. Was he hiding something? Or just arrogant?
I see nothing startling on the certificate, so I am going with the “arrogance” explanation.
Meanwhile, all those skeptics who said this absolutely could not possibly ever ever happen are invited to eat crow, openly, in the comments below.
UPDATE x2 BY PATTERICO: And you know what? Maybe they were right. Because I’m not sure this is the long form. This looks to be simply the original Certificate of Live Birth.
We were told the “long form” was called a “Record of Live Birth.” A document that was half handwritten:
The first is that the original so-called “long form” birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a “record of live birth” — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. . . . .
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.
This document has signatures, but it is not “half handwritten.” And it is not called a “record of live birth.”
So until Ms. Fukino tells us that the document just released is what she saw, which she has been calling the “record of live birth” that is half handwritten, I don’t think this is it.
UPDATE x3 BY PATTERICO: Just to be extra clear: I am not a Birther nor a conspiracy theorist. I have long said that the evidence is overwhelming that Obama was born in Hawaii. If Ms. Fukino tells us that this is the document she saw, and says that the “half handwritten” description refers to the signatures, I will be satisfied. I would like someone to ask her where the “record of live birth” terminology came from — but I will be satisfied.
Someone should ask her.
UPDATE x4 BY PATTERICO: Below, Aaron has an image of a long form obtained by another Hawaiian citizen. It is called a “Certificate of Live Birth,” just like this. That tends to show this is the long form. Let’s get CNN to ask Fukino and put this to bed.
[You know, because the media is so good at asking basic follow up questions. --Aaron]
Aaron’s original post follows below the fold. He is updating as the story develops.
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Interestingly after all the speculation there really isn’t anything there as far as I can see. Let me back up and explain where I am coming from. I am not a birther. I have been satisfied that he was born in the U.S. for a long time after looking into the subject at one point. But he did seem to be stonewalling and so that led people to offer various non-birther reasons why. So one set of theories was that there was something else embarrassing about it. I had even heard (and repeated) speculation that it would indicate he was a Muslim on the birth certificate, but it doesn’t say anything on the subject of religion. Another theory was that it indicate no father, or a different father than Barack Obama Sr… and that doesn’t appear to be the case. So what gives?
I’ll have more updates on this later. I have a few deeper thoughts on the subject. But I wanted to put the news and link out there and put it to you. So a few lingering questions…
Is this definitely the long form birth certificate? I am trusting media sources to even know what one looks like. I don’t mean to suggest that he wasn’t born in America—he was, in my opinion—but just is it really that long form? Especially because well… that form doesn’t look very long.
Do you see anything in this that explains why the Hell he didn’t release it sooner?
So sound off. (Like as if you needed my encouragement.)
Update (II): I am going to put these updates out of order because the jpg of the birth certificate has to go last, under the fold (because it is huge) and yet, I don’t want to put all the commentary after the certificate.
Professor Jacobson, who argued yesterday that the issue was starting to hurt the President, believes that this is not the long form, but instead a short form. [Update: Jacobson says in an update that I read too much into his comment. Fair enough, but I think Patrick has uncovered a contradictory description of the document, as compared to what we are looking at and that should be cleared up.] But he also points out that the document was released literally days after he was born. Which if true means that the birther story will not come close to dying after this. Indeed, if he is right, I think this half-release could backfire and increase speculation. Which is ironic, because I really do think he was born here.
I’ll repeat, I have no idea what the long form would look like, except that this form seems a little short to be called “long.” But then again that might be close enough for government work.
Also Robert Stacy McCain helpfully translates from White House spin: “It wasn’t healthy for his re-election prospects.”
Update (I): I imagine the websites having it will get a lot of traffic, so here’s a copy of the image from the White House Website below the fold (I suggest you open the image in a new window for proper viewing).
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: I have resized the image so it is readable, and placed it on the front page.
Update (III): RCP has video of Trump now demanding transcripts. Hey, we might finally get the vetting we didn’t have in 2008! Also CBS vouches for the authenticity of the document. Stop laughing.
Joking aside, CBS points out that the White House is claiming this is absolutely definitely the long form, so if it is not the long form, they own it. So I did a little googlesleuthing to see if I can see anyone else’s long form and well, I found this document over at World Net Daily.
Mind you, I don’t trust WND generally, but when they say something that supports Obama, that is clearly against interest and therefore I am inclined to believe them. So this is an apparently negative version of some random person’s long form certificate. Kind of looks the same doesn’t it?
On the other hand, they assert this is the short form:
Which is indeed shorter. But then again Patrick did have that contradictory description above. So bluntly, I just don’t know…
Still regardless, I believe he was born in the U.S. But if it is not the real long form, then all that speculation about what he might be hiding in the birth certificate becomes relevant again.
Update (IV): As for why this is being released now, this was reported only yesterday:
Still, in the USA TODAY poll, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere.
Eh, you would probably put me in the “probably column” before today. So that is 56% who say he was probably or definitely born here. And 24% saying he was probably or definitely born elsewhere. And how many people felt that Obama should have just released the damn thing?
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]