If the Telegraph is to be believed, the world’s most well-known Holocaust denier has Jewish roots:
A photograph of the Iranian president [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.
A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.
I’ve heard of self-hating Jews, but this is ridiculous.
UPDATE: Maybe not.
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how could we not know that already? What exactly do those CIA pansies do?
happyfeet (6b707a) — 10/3/2009 @ 2:10 pmHm…a Jew-hater who wants to exterminate Jews and yet has Jewish roots, and who is also likely certifiable… who does this remind me of…
Dana (863a65) — 10/3/2009 @ 2:22 pmOy gevalt!
Gazzer (22ecdc) — 10/3/2009 @ 2:23 pmYeah, I thought exactly the same thing, Dana. Wonder if he was a failed artiste before his storming of the US Embassy.
Dmac (5ddc52) — 10/3/2009 @ 2:37 pmAll he needs is an architect who makes plans for grandiose structures based on their “ruin quality.”
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 10/3/2009 @ 2:42 pmWell, at least now the UN will take action against him…
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 10/3/2009 @ 3:09 pmhah. nice job, Mr. Jacobs
happyfeet (6b707a) — 10/3/2009 @ 3:33 pmIf you are implying that Hitler was Jewish, that’s bullshit.
Regarding Ahmadinejad, who knows? If he is Jewish this will only play into anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
sophia (f4fd46) — 10/3/2009 @ 3:49 pmWhy is this rumor coming out now? It’s been kicking around for months:
http://www.rferl.org/content/Were_Ahmadinejads_Ancestors_Jews_/1375318.html
His original family name has never been a secret:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jul/02/iran.roberttait
The Guardian article defines his name differently.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in one piece of British yellow journalism.
sophia (f4fd46) — 10/3/2009 @ 3:55 pmWhy is this rumor coming out now? It’s been kicking around for months…
But now there is an accompanying photo to go with the story.
Plus the irony is simply too delicious to not be true.
Dana (863a65) — 10/3/2009 @ 4:08 pm“I wouldn’t put too much stock in one piece of British yellow journalism.”
Yes, unlike the multi-layered and edited prose that passes for news in the American media;
AD - RtR/OS! (a1f19e) — 10/3/2009 @ 4:10 pmthat is, if they can be bothered to report anything other than the tingles running up their legs.
I don’t think that such things matter to Muslims. Islam gives great importance to conversion.
nk (2228b9) — 10/3/2009 @ 4:41 pmthat’s an interesting point what nk said
happyfeet (6b707a) — 10/3/2009 @ 5:08 pmHas he written any books on the sufferings and travails of his life??
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 10/3/2009 @ 5:54 pm“But now there is an accompanying photo to go with the story.”
Irrelevant – the photo means nothing. The article essentially claims that they found AN in an embarrassing position as the identity card indicates the original family name, as if that’s some sort of scoop. It’s no scoop – the family name was commonly known. He never covered that up. If anything he’s pointing proudly to his roots and telling the world to fuck off.
His lack of guile about his roots is easily found in Wikipedia, where I suspect the reporters did their research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadinejad
“Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was born near Garmsar in the village of Aradan, the fourth of seven children of an ironworker, grocer, barber and blacksmith who changed his name from Saborjhian when the family moved to Tehran.[25][26] However, Kasra Naji who wrote one of the most important biographies of Ahmadinejad available in the English language, contradicts this claim and adds that the name was actually ‘Sabaghian’ which means ‘dye-masters’ in Persian.[27]”
The dates of the referenced notes are 2005 and 2008.
About conversion, more bullshit. Muslims never forget what a person’s roots are, and are moreover complete racists. If your family converted in the 14th century, that’s part of your known history.
It’s a common tactic in the Muslim world to discredit a politician by calling him a “Yahood.”
This is weird. I suspect a movement afoot in Iran to discredit AN from WITHIN the regime. Don’t fall for it.
Sophia (aed9ca) — 10/3/2009 @ 6:03 pmBritish journalism is worse than American journalism, hard as that may be to believe. The practice of making things up is not only routine, but considered acceptable there.
Hence, this disclaimer on my original comment.
Although the falsehood gap has gotten closer in recent years.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 10/3/2009 @ 6:04 pmBro Bradley – that is apparently more a function of the occupation as opposed to the nationality.
JD (1ec03c) — 10/3/2009 @ 6:50 pmWho knew?
Official Internet Data Office (4514e0) — 10/3/2009 @ 6:56 pmJD,
The point I try to make to fellow journos is that a little humility about mistakes would go a long way. Instead, my peers rant about crab grass blogs and illiterate conservatives.
Get off my lawn!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:00 pmJD,
And if certain journalism professors get their way, journalism will become an even more servile adjunct to left-wing ideology.
Journalism’s business problems provide an opportunity for journalism education to remake itself, which should start with a declaration of independence from the mainstream media and a renunciation of the corporate media’s allegiances to the existing power structure. Our only hope is in getting radical, going to the root of the problems.
Those corporate allegiances make it difficult for journalists to write critically about the nature of capitalism’s inhuman values, anti-democratic effects, or ecologically disastrous consequences. . .
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:05 pmGreat, now people are going to blame the Joooos for Ahmadinejad. Is there any evil they will not perpetuate? I agree with Scott, once this gets out, it increases the likelihood of U.N. action.
daleyrocks (d057d3) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:11 pmRemember Romam Polanski was a Jooooo!
daleyrocks (d057d3) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:12 pmDaley, quit picking on the Philistine. 😉
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:14 pm(by which, I am not referring to the Roman dud)
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:14 pmBrother Bradley – Those are not good people.
JD (d2f723) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:53 pmJD,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 10/3/2009 @ 7:58 pmI know they are not good people. They are some of the most dogmatic, illiberal persons on Earth.
This means about as much as Dan Rather’s exclusive on George W. Bush.
Ag80 (4254fd) — 10/3/2009 @ 8:10 pmHeh. Anyone seen “The Believer”, with Ryan Gosling?
I just picture Ahmedinejad running up to landing after landing on a never-ending staircase while his Sunday school teacher follows him around saying “You know, I think you were right.”
(I know – it’s an esoteric reference. But if you’ve seen the movie, it makes sense).
Leviticus (30ac20) — 10/3/2009 @ 8:51 pmActually, libel laws over there are pretty strict over there, that in part why Kitty Kelley among other authors aren’t published. Lord Tolstoy got in a tiff with a former high British official, Lord Alexander, (which became a subtext for the Bond film Golden Eye’s villain) and that cost a pretty penny.
bishop (996c34) — 10/3/2009 @ 8:58 pmSabourjian is Armenian. As proof, I cite
corwin (6aa824) — 10/4/2009 @ 6:19 am1)King Bananian , of SCSU scholars .
2)MY mother. Maiden name of Goshgarian.(It was Goshigagarian before the change.Son of /shoemaker. The suffix -ian is “son of”.
Sophia – for future reference, it would help to buttress your arguments by not sourcing wikipedia and screaming “bullshit!” and “irrelevant” in almost every other sentence.
Dmac (5ddc52) — 10/4/2009 @ 8:52 amIt is interesting that a certain segment of the blogosphere uses wiki citations as irrefutable facts, considering the ease at (temporarily) altering a wiki source and the scrubbing of facts wiki has been known to do. Many people on both sides of the aisle will use wiki as a jumping-off point in their research, and I can understand that (while I don’t use wiki for anything), but to use wiki as an ending-off point? Foolishness.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 10/4/2009 @ 9:03 amThe only reasons I can think of to use wiki as the sum total of your argument is that you can’t find anything else of worth, or too lazy to try, or don’t wish to learn of possible conflicting evidence.
Dmac (5ddc52) — 10/4/2009 @ 9:37 am“ophia – for future reference, it would help to buttress your arguments by not sourcing wikipedia and screaming “bullshit!” and “irrelevant” in almost every other sentence.”
If the owner of this website wants to clean up my salty language, let him.
No one has refuted what I’ve said.
1. There is no solid evidence that Hitler was Jewish.
2. There is no solid evidence that AN is Jewish.
3. Wikipedia sometimes has bad stuff, sometimes has good stuff. The footnotes with respect to his origins in the Wikipedia article refer to one scholarly book written about him, in which his original family name was cited (in 2008), and an article written in 2005 that also cited his family name:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jul/02/iran.roberttait
I repeat, for the slow of thought: the Telegraph article claims that they discovered heretofore hidden info. This is false. The only exta “information” that the Telegraph article adds is that the family name is Jewish but there is no scholarly source offered for this charge.
I would suggest that you respond to the substance of my arguments and not use flimsy cheap shots to knock down straw men.
I charge that this “AN is Jewish campaign” is bullshit. I repeat that it’s a common tactic in the Middle East to call someone a Jew in order to destroy him, or his reputation Google Ataturk yahud and you’ll see what I mean. Know who Ataturk was?
Someone from the regime is trying to destroy AN and that faction thinks that planting garbage in a British newspaper for gullible westerners is the way to do it.
sophia (5da896) — 10/4/2009 @ 2:19 pm