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12/20/2008

Fun with Chicago Politics

Filed under: Obama — DRJ @ 1:30 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

The AP reports Obama Chief of Staff-designate Rahm Emanuel and Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich are so close that the only telephone calls Blagojevich regularly takes come from Emanuel. The AP also adds this juicy gossip:

“Emanuel and Obama have remained silent about what, if anything, Emanuel knew of the governor’s alleged efforts to peddle Obama’s vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Emanuel did contact the governor’s office about the appointment, and left Blagojevich with the impression that he was pushing Valerie Jarrett, a close Obama friend, so he wouldn’t have to compete with her in the White House for Obama’s attention, said a source close to Blagojevich. The source requested anonymity because the person were not authorized to talk about the governor’s discussions regarding the vacancy.

It was not clear whether Blagojevich inferred Emanuel’s motive for advocating Jarrett, or whether Emanuel discussed the appointment with Blagojevich directly or with John Harris, the governor’s then-chief of staff who also is charged in the case, according to the source.”

In response, Emanuel’s defenders are using the “He’s just a guy in my neighborhood” defense — a defense made famous by Barack Obama as he described his relationship with Bill Ayers:

“Emanuel’s defenders say he is hardly an ally of Blagojevich.

“They were in different worlds personally and politically,” said Peter Giangreco, a political consultant on Blagojevich’s 1996 congressional campaign and his two gubernatorial races. “They only dealt with each other because they occupied the same political geography.”

However, the AP isn’t completely swallowing the neighborhood defense:

But there was more to their relationship than a polite acquaintance. The two share a political past, rooted on Chicago’s North Side, and a friendly relationship — although not a close friendship — that made Emanuel the obvious choice to push Obama’s preferences to fill his vacant Senate seat, current and former Blagojevich aides said.

They at times joined forces politically, like in 2005 to promote importing prescription drugs from Canada and in 2006 to push for an increase in the state’s minimum wage. Blagojevich, his aides say, wasn’t shy about seeking the help of Emanuel, referred to in a 2006 Tribune article as his “Washington-based mentor.”
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Emanuel has described himself as a one-time adviser to Blagojevich. David Wilhelm, one of Emanuel’s close friends who worked with him in the Clinton White House, informally assisted on that campaign for Blagojevich.

Emanuel, who has declined to comment since Blagojevich’s arrest, told The New Yorker magazine over the summer that he, Wilhelm and Obama met once a week during the 2002 race to plot campaign strategy for Blagojevich. Wilhelm has said Emanuel overstated the group’s role.

Also, Emanuel, Blagojevich and Obama all have hired David Axelrod, the Chicago political consultant who helped engineer Obama’s presidential victory. Axelrod helped Blagojevich in 1996 and Emanuel in 2002.”

It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp. Unlike the election, maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.

— DRJ

430 Responses to “Fun with Chicago Politics”

  1. maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.

    Only in a Texas dream!

    or

    Pick any state, but in your dreams will be the constant.

    TC (0b9ca4)

  2. They never learn – tell the entire story immediately, lest you get hoisted on your own petard. Hope and Change means obfuscate, run from the TV cameras, and then whine about being so mistreated when you refuse to answer any legitimate questions regarding the matter.

    Dmac (e30284)

  3. This is just a distraction. Nobody involved in Obama’s administration is close to Governor Whathisname, you know, the guy with the funny name that they all campaigned for but forgot about.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  4. Hey, folks.

    It just depends on the meaning of the word “is,” remember?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  5. Emanuel is part & parcel of the machine, as is Obama. The president-elect was told to appoint Emanuel CoS. The American public is now going to become well-versed in what Illinois (and Chicago in particular) residents have known for years: you HAVE to be corrupt in order to play the political game there.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  6. What is “inexcusable corruption” for folks with the dreaded “R” after their names becomes “necessary compromises and realpolitik in the 21st Century” for That Other Party.

    You watch: if Obama fires all the attorneys as he enters office, it will be portrayed quite differently than when GW Bush did it.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  7. If? IF???!!!

    When.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  8. It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp.

    A “scandal” apparently no longer requires wrongdoing or false statements. Hillary lying about having no part in sacking the White House travel office staff was a scandal.

    steve (8250e1)

  9. Was it, steve? A scandal, that is? Didn’t seem to trip her up much.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  10. To the tune of “Spam”:

    Troll, troll, troll, troll….

    Repeat as needed.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  11. Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 1:56 pm

    Acually, it was Clinton that fired all of the USA’s upon taking office, to hardly a peep.
    GW fired 22, or was it 23, USA’s that he appointed to their positions, and all Hell broke loose.

    Another Drew (4dc1ef)

  12. Ah, but you see AD, that was different.

    Sigh.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  13. We do live in interesting times.

    Another Drew (4dc1ef)

  14. I believe that is the “Chinese Curse” is it not?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  15. Confucian, actually.

    Another Drew (4dc1ef)

  16. The NYT article: The masthead said New York Times, but it reads like a Chicago-base promotional pamphlet.

    m (052b37)

  17. and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp.

    Its a fluid definition depending on who its assignment is advantageous to at any given time.

    Dmac, being in Chicago, tell us what the average Chicagoan thinks of this latest mess, if this raises any doubts re Obama, etc. It would seem the citizens of the city would have a more pointed if not exasperated pov, or is there just denial…or business as usual?

    Dana (79a78b)

  18. We’re inside a month from the first “failed presidency” tagline.

    Smart money is on The Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk).

    steve (f04db2)

  19. We do live in interesting times.

    Comment by Another Drew — 12/20/2008 @ 3:11 pm

    I believe that is the “Chinese Curse” is it not?

    Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 3:12 pm

    Get.
    Lives.
    People.

    I may be a troll (actually, I am not… wtf is a troll?), but I have not been wasting my existence on this f-ing site. Go out with your wives/significant others, raise your kids, do charity work. For heaven’s sake, get some lives. You don’t need to (troll) sit on this site 24/7 just to respond with ‘troll’ (creative) 14 seconds after I post something. Let’s examine why you find me so objectionable: it is simple. You can’t handle the fact that your worlds don’t fit into the perfect little online bout of good vs. evil. You can’t stand that your personal views about where the country is headed (hopefully out of the toilet that Dubya has dropped us into) don’t coincide with the majority of those who wish us out of it. You can’t handle that the elections prove that your boys weren’t up to the task at any level of government. You can’t handle that the days of war on the lower class (they are fat and lazy, yeah, we get it… we get it) are over. And you lost. You don’t get it. And the worst part about those who don’t get it, is that they don’t even understand that they don’t get it. You never will. You’re just going to sit at your keyboard, (trolling) sobbing and complaining to these other people who just don’t get it. It is not going to help. Get some fresh air. Talk to other people. Live your live. Only then will you get it, ‘my friends’.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  20. I love being able to say “I told you so.” Blago’s lawyers are – in effect -arguing that no crime has been committed.

    See [object]

    Moneyrunner (ea5fc8)

  21. Chicago machine politics are dirty, and the politicians that are covered in the filth of money and greed. Obama will posture and postulate about things there, but he’s up to his eyeballs in “pay to play” and pork to his friends and contributors. It doesn’t help that his ideas of “hope” and “change” involve many of the Clinton’s cronies, that “have seen the light of the messiah”.

    There’s more filth and trash on “the Messiah”…it’s out there, just need to keep digging to find it…

    fmfnavydoc (693597)

  22. You can’t handle that the days of war on the lower class [cut parenthetical] are over just starting.

    FTFY.

    Seriously, I realize it’s a lefty article of faith that Republicans and conservatives “hate the poor”, but you really should look at the plight of the poor in areas that have been Democrat-controlled. Good Lord, look at what’s happened to Detroit!

    Although, I guess it could be said that Democrats “love the poor” based on their love of policies that impoverish people — more of them to love, I guess!

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  23. Yes, the politics in Chicago are corrupt, and yes, Blago and Emanuel talked. To quote Cheney: “So?”

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  24. Fred Barnes today on “Beltway Boys” said he is now on Blago’s side in this. He thinks it is all talk and they may have trouble proving a crime. That being the case, Blago is not going anywhere and the frantic turmoil is all about forestalling a special election which Republicans could win. Barnes’ prediction is that the seat will be empty for months and a special election is now a real possibility.

    Minnesota should fill the Senate seat there with a special election as well. There was a third party candidate in that one and there is no majority; only a plurality.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  25. steve #8:

    A “scandal” apparently no longer requires wrongdoing or false statements. Hillary lying about having no part in sacking the White House travel office staff was a scandal.

    I suspect you may not be familiar with the concept of “dogging” someone, as in “dogging someone’s heels.” It means following someone closely. So when I said scandal is dogging the Obama Administration, I was saying scandal is following it closely. I think that’s correct. The Blagojevich matter is a scandal and, as the article shows, Blagojevich is close to Rahm Emanuel.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  26. Mike K, the Republican tricks won’t work in Minnesota. It’ll take a while, because the Minnesotans are nothing if not thorough, but they’ll count all of the votes — once — and whoever gets the most votes will be that state’s senator.

    Looks to me like it’ll be Franken, but if a fair and thorough process gives it to Coleman, fine. What won’t happen there is for votes to remain uncounted. It’s not how Minnesota works.

    Also, Coleman is up to his neck in corruption, so even if he manages to win his recount he’ll be gone soon enough. You do notice, do you not, that he’s just tapped into his campaign funds to hire a high-priced defense lawyer.

    It’s only a matter of time. Coleman’s going to wind up in Club Fed.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  27. The Blagojevich matter is a scandal and, as the article shows, Blagojevich is close to Rahm Emanuel.

    There is no evidence whatsoever the Emanuel is involved in any wrongdoing that Blagojevich might have committed. When it all comes out, I bet Emanuel will show up as having informed the FBI of Blago’s corruption.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  28. There’s no evidence at all yet, Horrible Leftist, so the facts can still go either way.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  29. That’s true enough, DRJ. If the wingnuts would wait until they had any facts before making their claims, I might even develop a certain grudging respect for them.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  30. I notice the paucity of links documenting the above accusations of perfidy in MN.

    Another Drew (65e45d)

  31. ….Emanuel will show up as having informed the FBI of Blago’s corruption.

    And at that exact moment, pigs will fly like unicorns.

    Old Coot (a8acc7)

  32. To answer the question raised above regarding Chicago and if anyone here has seen the light concerning Blago, BO and political corruption, the answer in short is no. Blago is probably done as far as gov is concerned even if he fills out his term which ends in 2010. It is highly unlikely he will be reelected. But remember it was the good people of Illinois that elected Blago in the first place and continue to elect Dick Durbin, Todd Stroger and other incompetants year after year. (As an aside I love the local media types who are decrying Blago’s negative effect on Illinois percetion world wide. It is these same media types who do all in their power to help elect the Blagos year after year).

    Whoever BO graces with his endorsement in 2010 for gov will be the next gov. It will be a D and my bet is that it will be Lisa Madigan current AG, the daughter of a Chicago pol and state legislator. The senate seat will go to a D as well. Sad state of affairs.

    BT (78b929)

  33. Drew, were you looking for a link to the FBI investigation of Coleman? Here it is. Your guy’s going to go down. If I were a wingnut, I’d rather have Coleman lose the recount than be dragged out of the Senate like Teddy Stevens.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  34. Old Coot, we’ll see. The about Blago is that his corruption wasn’t exactly a secret. Emanuel’s no dummy. If I were you guys, I’d be careful about whooping it up too soon on that one, ’cause as someone who grew up in Chicago I think your jubilation is going to be short-lived.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  35. HL waves away any hint of impropriety regarding Emmanuel’s and Obama’s contacts with Blagojevich with a wave of the hand while accusing Coleman of criminal corruption without any evidence at all.

    What a droll little troll.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  36. SPQR, apparently you didn’t bother to click on the link I offered. Laziness is endemic on the right wing, no?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  37. HL, I did click on the link. And you remind me a lot of TMJ in that your links don’t back up your claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  38. Who is “TMJ”?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  39. Hey SPQR, maybe a link from Wingnut McNews will get your attention?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  40. TMJ is yet another troll here whose only playbook is to thread hijack.

    Like you, his links never back up his claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  41. SPQR, apparently you didn’t bother to click on the link I offered. Laziness is endemic on the right wing, no?

    I read the whole thing and saw unconfirmed rumors that the FBI is investigating something. I don’t see anything about Coleman lawyering up, and I don’t see any evidence.

    What do you see, HL, that leads you to proclaim that Coleman is “going down?”

    As for Blago, it looks like we’re going to have a trial. That should be a hell of a lot of fun. Unless you’re a D-Chicago.

    Pablo (99243e)

  42. OK, I read the Fox link too. HL, do you understand the difference between a civil action and a criminal one? Like who the plaintiff is, f’rinstance?

    Pablo (99243e)

  43. Pablo, I don’t know how old anyone else is around here, but I’ve got a few miles on the tires. The Coleman case is a classic. You can smell it before you see it. This is a classic where there’s smoke, there’s fire story.

    By contrast, with Blago and Emanuel, there is not so much as a hint that Emanuel has been involved. The Obama campaign’s recent statement that they’re not detailing the contacts at the request of Fitzgerald’s office ought to give the wingnuts pause, although I must say that I am delighted to see that it hasn’t.

    I might be mistaken, but I seem to recall that Obama’s people said they were asked to keep the information out of the public eye until this coming Monday. Now I do realize that you are a member of the stupid party, but try to find a couple brain cells to rub together here. Do you really believe that, if there was a problem for Emanuel, the Obama campaign would’ve said they’ve reviewed everything, saw no problem, and would be releasing the evidence next week?

    If they lied about all of that, what possible benefit could they derive by doing so, given that the truth will soon be released? Coleman, on the other hand, is diverting campaign cash to cover legal expenses, something that even Wingnut McNews says is illegal, and the FBI is investigating.

    Take some truth serum if you must. Claim the devil made you do it. Whose shoes would you rather be in right now?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  44. There’s no evidence at all yet, Horrible Leftist, so the facts can still go either way.

    Better late than never.

    steve (1c9449)

  45. By contrast, with Blago and Emanuel, there is not so much as a hint that Emanuel has been involved.

    The difference is that for the Coleman case, there is thus far no evidence that Coleman either knew of what was going on, or was in any way involved.

    This is the level of protection Obama currently has.

    The thing about Rham and Blago is that we know, for a fact, that Rahmbo talked to Blago, and that early on there were claims that zero contact occured. That it seems many conversations took place is, while not screaming “guilty”, something that I don’t dismiss as completely innocent.

    Emmy isn’t saying anything, and that’s smart. The less he says, the less that can be contradicted by the tapes, and thus the less guilty he looks.

    The Coleman case has less link to the “bad things” than the Rahm/Blago thing, and you appear to have reversed your thoughts on which proves what.

    I don’t know if Rahm did anything wrong. I would like to think he wasn’t nearly that stupid, but I thought that Blago was at least not so stupid as to have gone this far, so my opinion as to the intelligence of Chicago pols is fairly suspect.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  46. Watch out, Mike Connell’s plane is about to smash through this non-starter of a story. Can’t you just see ‘ole Mike and Vince Foster chatting now?

    Larry Reilly (d11f9a)

  47. Pablo, I don’t know how old anyone else is around here, but I’ve got a few miles on the tires. The Coleman case is a classic. You can smell it before you see it. This is a classic where there’s smoke, there’s fire story.

    Ah, so you just know is what you’re saying. And you know that the Chicago machine throwing a rod (see what I did there?) is nothing. Nothing to see, move along. Because after all…

    Gotcha. Heh.

    Pablo (99243e)

  48. “Coleman, on the other hand, is diverting campaign cash to cover legal expenses, something that even Wingnut McNews says is illegal, and the FBI is investigating.”

    Horrible Leftist – Link please

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  49. We’ll see, won’t we? Unless someone saved the stained dress, I’d say Obama and Emanuel are home free. Coleman? I’d put money on him going down.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  50. daleyrocks, you’re the second lazy wingnut in a couple hours. Read the link.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  51. “Do you really believe that, if there was a problem for Emanuel, the Obama campaign would’ve said they’ve reviewed everything, saw no problem, and would be releasing the evidence next week?”

    Horrible Leftist – Did you actually believe they were going to contradict Obama’s conclusion about what the investigation would find before it was even conducted?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  52. It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp. Unlike the election, maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.

    My. Now that conservativism is dead, the toxins are certainly oozing from the corpse during decomposition. Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.

    DCSCA (d8da01)

  53. My. Now that conservativism is dead, the toxins are certainly oozing from the corpse during decomposition. Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.

    Did you examine why that happened to liberals 4-6 years ago? What did you come up with? And why are Congress’ approval ratings in the toilet?

    Pablo (99243e)

  54. Unless someone saved the stained dress, I’d say Obama and Emanuel are home free.

    Ummm… They did, only this time they call them “Recording of conversations”.

    My. Now that conservativism is dead, the toxins are certainly oozing from the corpse during decomposition. Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.

    You really aren’t much on reading for comprehension, are you…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  55. Horrible Leftist – Thanks for pointing out the links. My reaction is the same as Pablo’s. Sounds like bullshit. Neither Coleman is named, neither got cash, nor did Hays, yet the plaintiffs felt it was a good idea to sic the ethics committee in Washington on him and ask the authorities in Washington to investigate. I QUESTION THE TIMING!

    Dude, is that all you’ve got?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  56. daleyrocks, with the proviso that people so some stupid things, I’ve got to say that, if Obama and his people are lying about this, it will be even dumber than Billy Boy Clinton waggling his finger at the camera and saying he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.

    Look, Fitzgerald’s office confirmed to the Chicago Tribune that they asked Obama’s people to delay releasing the details of their contacts with Blagojevich and his office pending more interviews.

    The Trib doesn’t say what day Obama will release his report, but says it will be next week. What would Obama have to gain by lying this week, when the report is coming out next week?

    Everything’s going to be cross-checkable, either now or when Fitzgerald is in court against Blago. It’s in Obama’s interest not to have any discrepancies, and he’s got to know that if his report is full of lies that Fitzgerald will undermine it one way or another.

    But, you know what? Wingnuts, have at it. Really. Kick and scream and make a fuss, because you’ll just look that much dumber. The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.

    Couldn’t have to a nicer bunch o’nutcases.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  57. Horrible Leftist – Link please

    Clearly you don’t have HL’s old man sense of things, daleyrocks. It would be, like, totally obvious if you did. Smoke, you see…

    Pablo (99243e)

  58. “Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.”

    DCSCA – I think I must have missed the memo on the overwhelming rejection part. Are you carping about a narrow victory versus a mandate or landslide definition here or some such nonsense?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  59. Not only that, but you’re even getting your preacher for the invocation. So, when Obama names a homosexual secretary of the Navy, it’ll be hard to argue that your side hasn’t been included in the mix.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  60. What would Obama have to gain by lying this week, when the report is coming out next week?

    What would he have to gain by telling the truth this week, if it isn’t what we’ve been told it is? Next week’s Christmas, which is a good time to drop news you’d rather not have noticed.

    Rahm and Blago talked about the appointment, a lot. We were told that didn’t happen. And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.

    Pablo (99243e)

  61. I think I must have missed the memo on the overwhelming rejection part. Are you carping about a narrow victory versus a mandate or landslide definition here or some such nonsense?

    What would YOU call 365 to 173 electoral votes? A squeaker? Nice wingnut math there!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  62. “The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.”

    Horrible Leftist – Just to make sure you have your ducks in a row Obamatard, the citizenship conspiracy theory dealio originated and was promoted by PUMAs. Have you seen PeBHO’s birth certificate, btw?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  63. Not only that, but you’re even getting your preacher for the invocation.

    Whose preacher? I don’t have one. But it appears that Warren is Obama’s preacher, gioven the invitation. The replacement, apparently.

    Pablo (99243e)

  64. “What would YOU call 365 to 173 electoral votes? A squeaker?”

    HL – I would focus on the popular vote, Obamatard.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  65. Juggy has a 750 million dollar debt due. He’s going to make “Pay-to-Play” Blagojevich look like a Boy Scout.

    nk (20403f)

  66. This is what I’d call a landslide. As is this. And this. That last one had to hurt.

    Pablo (99243e)

  67. “The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.”

    You don’t really read this blog, do you?

    Pablo (99243e)

  68. Next week’s Christmas, which is a good time to drop news you’d rather not have noticed.

    Come now, my desperate nutcase. Do you really think that if there was a bombshell, no one would notice?

    Rahm and Blago talked about the appointment, a lot. We were told that didn’t happen.

    No, we were told that Obama’s people weren’t involved in the horsetrading, and that there were no inappropriate contacts. Delivering a list of acceptable names, and (perhaps) discussing the pros and cons of each one, and the political implications, is not “horsetrading.”

    Horsetrading is the exchange of concessions and favors. If Emanuel was doing that, then it will be embarrassing. If he was involved in corruption, it will be more than embarrassing. However, if he had done either of those things, Obama wouldn’t have said what he said this week.

    But hey wingnuts, please don’t take my word for it. Get Rushbo, and O’Leilly, and Hannity, and Coulter, and all your friends at Pajamas Network, Faux News, and Free Republic to raise the biggest stink you can.

    Come on, nutcases. Bring it on! I dare ya!

    And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  69. “I’ve got to say that, if Obama and his people are lying about this, it will be even dumber than Billy Boy Clinton waggling his finger at the camera and saying he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.”

    HL – I agree. So why did Obama screw things up and lie to the media with his no contact, I didn’t know what was going on comment right off the bat. Answer me that Obamatard.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  70. And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.

    Oops, that got appended onto my last posting as if I’d written it. But I didn’t. A nutcase wrote it. I love it when nutcases smell smoke!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  71. “However, if he had done either of those things, Obama wouldn’t have said what he said this week.”

    HL – Now you claim to be a mind reader. Excellent.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  72. Come now, my desperate nutcase. Do you really think that if there was a bombshell, no one would notice?

    You don’t really pay attention to politics, do you? Of course those who are watching will notice. But the fewer people who are watching, the better the time to drop uncomfortable news.

    How do you suppose Blago knew that O! wasn’t going to “offer anything but appreciation”?

    Pablo (99243e)

  73. I love it when nutcases smell smoke!

    You must have a hell of a lot of fun hanging around with yourself, whackjob.

    Pablo (99243e)

  74. It would seem the citizens of the city would have a more pointed if not exasperated pov, or is there just denial…or business as usual?

    Same as it ever was, Dana. Sadly, whatever Blago winds up being convicted of, we’ve seen much worse around these parts. The only difference this time is that we actually have it on tape, but the means and mores have been with us for generations. If anyone really wanted a primer for the way Chicago politics has been run over the past 60 years, just go to Amazon and pick up Mike Royko’s Pulitzer winning book, “Boss.” Although written back in the early 70’s about the first Mayor Daley, it paints a grim picture of just how favors and political connections have always worked in this town, and why any true reforms have been halting at best.

    Dmac (e30284)

  75. I’ve got to say that, if Obama and his people are lying about this, it will be even dumber than Billy Boy Clinton waggling his finger at the camera and saying he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.

    Which is, frankly, why I’m willing to believe that they just might be lying about it.

    I mean, did YOU think Clinton was dumb enough to so blatantly lie to all of america? I didn’t care much for him, and I sure as hell didn’t think he would…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  76. Did we lose DCSCA? Pity, that.

    Pablo (99243e)

  77. Oops, that got appended onto my last posting as if I’d written it. But I didn’t.

    Upon reviewing your many feverish rantings here today, one question seems most appropriate: are you currently on Ritalin?

    Dmac (e30284)

  78. So why did Obama screw things up and lie to the media with his no contact, I didn’t know what was going on comment right off the bat. Answer me that Obamatard.

    What “lie” did Obama tell?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  79. I mean, did YOU think Clinton was dumb enough to so blatantly lie to all of america? I didn’t care much for him, and I sure as hell didn’t think he would

    I vividly remember seeing him wag his finger. I laughed my ass off at the time. I didn’t believe a word of it, but I also figured that he’d nailed down the coverup. I’d have loved to see the look on his face when he was informed that Monica Lewinsky had saved the dress.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  80. What “lie” did Obama tell?

    That his staff had had no contact with Blago about the seat. I mean, as he said it, we were like “ummm… why DIDN’T you? that’s, like, something we’d actually EXPECT…”

    Not the “sell my seat” thing, but “Ok, here’s who I was thinking should get my seat”.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  81. What “lie” did Obama tell?

    3:13 in.

    Pablo (99243e)

  82. How do you suppose Blago knew that O! wasn’t going to “offer anything but appreciation”?

    Probably because Blago asked for consideration in return for appointing Obama’s preference. If he made a sufficiently blatant request, then I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.

    He’s no dummy. Everyone knew that Blago was corrupt, stupid, and being tailed by the FBI. If that’s the way it turns out to have happened, I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts. Talk about your perfect political setup!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  83. HL – Your revolutions are increasing.

    Does saying “I had no contact” include the members of his staff he delegated to make the contact?

    Does saying I didn’t know what was happening represent a truthful statement even when he knew his emmissaries presented a list of preferred candidates to the governor?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  84. If he made a sufficiently blatant request, then I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.

    Then you’re not familiar with Chicago politics. Rahm is. Barack is.

    Pablo (99243e)

  85. HL – You’re losing your composure here. The party line is getting tougher to hold.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  86. Does saying I didn’t know what was happening represent a truthful statement even when he knew his emmissaries presented a list of preferred candidates to the governor?

    I had no idea what my Chief of Staff was doing in all those conversations with that list of people I approved of. No idea at all. In fact, I usually have no idea what’s going on around me! This is not the Rahm Emanuel I knew.

    Pablo (99243e)

  87. Again, nutcases, pool a few spare brain cells. Blago was outraged that Obama wasn’t going to play ball. Obviously, someone had told him that. This supports Obama’s statement that no one on his staff horsetraded for the seat.

    It’s just mind boggling how stupid this is. Are you sure you’re wingnuts, or has my side snatched your bodies? Why on earth would you seriously try to make a scandal out of Obama’s people refusing to grant a request for a bribe?

    Oh, and Pablo? Obama said HE had had no contact with Blago or his office. He later said that his aides hadn’t had inappropriate contacts, nor had they horsetraded for the seat. If any of that’s a lie, we’ve yet to see the evidence.

    You know what’s going to happen here? When the whole story’s told, Obama AND Emanuel will come out smelling like roses, and you wingnuts will come across as desperate sore losers willing to make up any lie you think will sound good.

    Merry Christmas, you idiots!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  88. Horrible Leftist:

    No, we were told that Obama’s people weren’t involved in the horsetrading, and that there were no inappropriate contacts. Delivering a list of acceptable names, and (perhaps) discussing the pros and cons of each one, and the political implications, is not “horsetrading.”

    I think that’s an excellent defense. Unfortunately Obama didn’t think of it. Instead he claimed “we were not, I was not aware of what was happening” with Blagojevich regarding the Senate seat. Obama has had to backtrack ever since. Knowledgeable politicians might say it’s because he doesn’t have any executive experience.

    FWIW, I suspect Emanuel and Obama knew soemthing was going on and rejected it, but they are worried it will look bad if they didn’t report it to authorities. As I understand it, there is no duty to report this conduct but that doesn’t sound very hopeful and changey.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  89. Does saying “I had no contact” include the members of his staff he delegated to make the contact?

    Yup. Generally speaking, the word “I” is singular. Unless you wingnuts maybe think that Obama IS God, and that in his case the word “I” refers to a trinity.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  90. Ha! Nutcases! Garble, garble, stupid! Coleman’s going down, wingnuts!

    Your work is done here, HL.

    Pablo (99243e)

  91. I think that’s an excellent defense. Unfortunately Obama didn’t think of it.

    Exactly. That would be perfectly acceptable. In fact, it would be astounding if he wasn’t giving Blago input as to who the seat should go to. Of course they’d be talking about it. Why wouldn’t they?

    Pablo (99243e)

  92. Instead he claimed “we were not, I was not aware of what was happening” with Blagojevich regarding the Senate seat.

    What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.”

    Oh, nutcases! This is really, really going to be good. You’d better go read Aesop’s Fables. Specifically, The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Do you realize what national laughingstocks the right-wing will be in short order here?

    You seem to think that you’ve been playing against a minor league team. Hey: I’ve got news for you. They might be from Chicago, but Steinbrenner never fielded a better bunch than this one.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  93. “He later said that his aides hadn’t had inappropriate contacts, nor had they horsetraded for the seat.”

    HL – Think about your words HL. He later admitted he actually knew what was happening. Why didn’t he say so at the start?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  94. What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.”

    What if a unicorn came, let Blago jump on, and took him far, far away to the Old Governor’s farm?

    Oh, and Ed Rendell seems to think they’re minor league. That silly wingnut!

    Pablo (99243e)

  95. He later admitted he actually knew what was happening. Why didn’t he say so at the start?

    And why did he say quite the opposite? That would be called lying in some circles.

    Pablo (99243e)

  96. Think about it! Don’t you just kinda-sorta think that when it comes to navigating the sewers of Chicago, there is no one better than a team of Lakefront Liberals from Chicago? Holy cow, you people have been hosed so thoroughly, and the beauty is that you still don’t know just how hosed you are. Ha ha ha ha!! What’s the acronym? Ah, yes: ROTFLMAO!!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  97. In less than a few hours, HL has becomes one of the most tired and tedious things ever.

    Well done, old bean.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  98. Horrible Leftist:

    What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.”

    I would be delighted if that’s what happened, and I hold out hope that’s what they did.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  99. Don’t you just kinda-sorta think that when it comes to navigating the sewers of Chicago, there is no one better than a team of Lakefront Liberals from Chicago?

    DC ain’t Chicago.

    Pablo (99243e)

  100. “What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.””

    HL – Your spinning is getting faster and faster. If your new scenario were in fact true, shouldn’t Obama’s initial answer to the press corps have been to say we can’t talk about the matter instead of his instinctual reaction to lie?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  101. Don’t you just kinda-sorta think that when it comes to navigating the sewers of Chicago, there is no one better than a team of Lakefront Liberals from Chicago?

    What does Jan Schakowsky have to do with this? HL is not only stupid, he is ignorant. The Fifth Congressional District is not Lakefront Liberal, it’s Nortwest Side “ethnic”.

    nk (20403f)

  102. I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m having fun swatting this one around.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  103. Excuse me *etnic*.

    nk (20403f)

  104. If your new scenario were in fact true, shouldn’t Obama’s initial answer to the press corps have been to say we can’t talk about the matter instead of his instinctual reaction to lie?

    And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.

    “I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.

    That doesn’t fit with the “Rahm turned him in” fantasy.

    Pablo (99243e)

  105. Comment by Dmac — 12/20/2008 @ 7:52 pm

    Thanks, Dmac. The Chicago multi-generational corruption in such concentrated amounts never ceases to amaze me. It would seem the cycle would be broken at some point.

    There is a wonderfully insightful, if not troubling look in at the machinery in this month’s American Thinker. A grassroots worker who published a newsletter for her community, stopped for safety reasons. Apparently, though hard to imagine, intimidation and outrageous behavior from her Alderman and his goon squad is business as usual.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chicago_politics_at_the_retail.html

    Dana (79a78b)

  106. And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.

    Why not? Does the organ-grinder account to the monkey?

    nk (20403f)

  107. Did HL declare victory and leave?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  108. Why not? Does the organ-grinder account to the monkey?

    Hey now, we’re still working the Hopenchange angle. RACIST!!!!

    Pablo (99243e)

  109. If your new scenario were in fact true, shouldn’t Obama’s initial answer to the press corps have been to say we can’t talk about the matter instead of his instinctual reaction to lie?

    That’s pretty much what he did in his first press conference, isn’t it? That’s when the wingnuts went crazy and said he was covering up.

    And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.

    If what I speculate is in fact true, then Obama’s claim not to have known would be true.

    What does Jan Schakowsky have to do with this? HL is not only stupid, he is ignorant. The Fifth Congressional District is not Lakefront Liberal, it’s Nortwest Side “ethnic”.

    I was talking about Obama, you wingnut idiot.

    There is a wonderfully insightful, if not troubling look in at the machinery in this month’s American Thinker.

    Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!

    I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m having fun swatting this one around.

    So am I. What’s especially fun is the utter idiocy of the right wing on this one. Good God, is this ever entertaining. What happened to your crew? Did you have to return the brains you rented?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  110. There’s one thing we know: Karl Rove is no longer working for you guys. If he were running your show, you’d have never, ever fallen into this trap.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  111. If what I speculate is in fact true, then Obama’s claim not to have known would be true.

    So, Obama had no idea what was going on while Rahm talked to Blago and then to the FBI about his (Rahm’s) contact re: the Senate seat and who Obama wanted to fill it with and Blago’s subsequent pay for play pressure. Obama was clueless about all of this happening between his Governor and his Chief of Staff. Is that what you’re suggesting?

    Pablo (99243e)

  112. If he were running your show, you’d have never, ever fallen into this trap.

    Karl is taking the long view. After four years of Teeth ‘n Ears, we’ll pass a Constitutional Amendment abolishing affirmative action forever.

    nk (20403f)

  113. If he were running your show, you’d have never, ever fallen into this trap.

    What trap is that, O sage one?

    Pablo (99243e)

  114. Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!

    There are a number of periodicals, journals, why even newspapers (NYT, LAT) that a lot of us continue to read in spite of, errors. Please, before commenting, read the article. An ability to use discernment is beneficial.

    Dana (79a78b)

  115. Did anyone at American Thinker say that Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father? I believe the answer to that question is “no”.

    Pablo (99243e)

  116. In liberal land,these idiots will defend anybody no matter how corrupt or illegal if you have a (D) beside your name.

    Does this look like “no relationship” to anyone with an IQ higher than Ted Kennedy’s alcohol blood
    level:

    From the WSJ:

    In 2002, Mr. Obama turned up to help Mr. Blagojevich, a staunch ally of Mr. Jones, win the governor’s mansion. Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama’s incoming White House chief of staff, told The New Yorker earlier this year that six years ago he and Mr. Obama “participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two [other participants].”

    Obama and Blago’s Connections:

    Obama Advised Blagojevich On His Victorious Gubernatorial Run. “That year, [Obama] gained his first high-level experience in a statewide campaign when he advised the victorious gubernatorial candidate Rod Blagojevich, another politician with a funny name and a message of reform.” (Ryan Lizza, “Making It,” The New Yorker, 7/21/08)

    Obama: “If the governor asks me to work on his behalf, I’ll be happy to do it.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

    Obama Endorsed Blagojevich For A Second Term.

    “Obama, who endorsed Blagojevich for a second term nearly 18 months ago, said he’s ready to help Illinois democrats in the upcoming elections.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

    Obama: “We’ve got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois.” (Deanna Bellandi, “Illinois Democrats Talk Unity But Don’t Show It,” The Associated Press, 8/16/06)

    Yea,nothing to see here.
    Just like sitting in a church for 20 yrs.listening
    to the bigoted rants of Wright and Obama had no idea he felt this way.Not the man I knew.

    Start your political career in a marxist domestic terrorist living room,serve on a board wasting millions of dollars and it was “just somebody in
    the neighborhood”.

    Now liberals are on their knees praying to their
    failed community organizer and his staff total blind loyalty as they scramble to cover butt before even being inaugurated.

    Whether Obama and his staff played the Blago pay game does not justify the fact that the transparency and change Obama promised is looking more and more like a joke every day.
    Obama does not know what his own staff was doing or either he is lying,neither shows strong leadership and good judgment.

    From the WSJ:

    In 2002, Mr. Obama turned up to help Mr. Blagojevich, a staunch ally of Mr. Jones, win the governor’s mansion. Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama’s incoming White House chief of staff, told The New Yorker earlier this year that six years ago he and Mr. Obama “participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two [other participants].”

    This does not look like “distancing yourself”to me.

    Baxter Greene (8035ae)

  117. Horrible Leftist, I just re-read the Obama/Ayres author-in-question article again and Pablo is correct – no one at AT said that Ayers wrote the book. It might be helpful for you to re-read it as well.

    Shy of a confession by those involved, I will not be able to prove conclusively that Obama did not write this book. As shall be seen, however, there are only two real possibilities: one is that Obama experienced a near miraculous turnaround in his literary abilities; the second is that he had major editorial help, up to and including a ghostwriter.

    This is where it begins and ends, with all sorts of literary comparisons, questions and certainly suspicions but nothing conclusive.

    Dana (79a78b)

  118. The same crowd that yelled and whined about how guilty Bush/Cheney was of outing Plame (But it was the democrat Armitage) don’t see any connections what-so-ever with Obama stuttering and waffling all over the place:

    We have Obama stating:

    “I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”

    LOOKS LIKE CONTACT TO ME:

    Obama: Do Not Believe Your Lying Eyes
    http://minx.cc/?post=279535
    Obama and Blagojevich at the National Governors Association meeting last Tuesday:

    We have Axlerod stating that Obama has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat(then conveniently saying “I mis-spoke.Damn,I bet Libby wishes that he could have convinced liberals and the MSM by so easily saying “oops,I mis-spoke!”) :

    But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

    While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a “kingmaker,” Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”

    A definitive “I know” has now conveniently turned into “I mis-spoke”.
    yea,anything you say master Obama.Whatever you want me to say master Obama.We must protect the lightworker master Obama.

    We have at least 3 independent news articles that state Obama has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat:
    Surprise! Stories Noting Obama-Blagojevich Meetings Disappear Down Memory Hole
    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/12/surprise-stories-noting-obama.html

    From KHQA(who have conveniently followed in Axlerods footsteps without explaining how they got the story wrong not once but twice or have printed a retraction.Reminds me of the WaPo denying that Raines was part of Obama circle even though they printed it more than once and never retracted the story).

    Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it. Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement. There’s already been speculation about his selection…from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Junior to Illinois Department of Veterans’ Affairs Director Tammy Duckworth.

    (Tribune)

    “I just don’t want to jinx him and I don’t like the karma of me thinking that far ahead,” Blagojevich said of Obama’s prospects in Tuesday’s election. The governor added, “We have had some discussions about a process which we’ll share … if all goes well.”

    We have Obama stating that he nor his staff has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat
    and making any deals.
    Hey genius,trying to push your preferred candidate is deal making.Rahm may not have broken
    the law,but once again we have super smart Obama that has no idea his Chief of Staff participated in many phone calls concerning filling his senate seat.
    I guess we should give Obama a break,cocaine abusers aren’t known for great organizational skills.

    Obama Is ‘Appalled,’ Insists He Had No Contact With Blagojevich Over Senate Seat
    President-elect Barack Obama says neither he nor his aides had any contact with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich regarding his open Senate seat.

    FOXNews.com
    Thursday, December 11, 2008
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/11/obama-says-contact-blagojevich-senate-seat/

    The same people who spent the 90’s and until they voted for the Iraq war saying Saddam had WMD’s/ties to al-qaeda,said the Sunni,Shia,and Kurds would never get along and the Iraq war was lost,said the surge would not work and their leader still would not vote for it then knowing that it has worked now,blocked any regulations to Fannie/Freddie and their leadership told America up through the democratic convention that “Fannie/Freddie were strong” and lead a Congress that sits at 17% approval is yelling about how dam$ smart they are.
    I guess when you are that dumb,you have to say it all the time because it doesn’t show.

    How’s that impeachment going genius?

    Baxter Greene (8035ae)

  119. You know what I think, gang?

    I think that “Horrible Leftist” is another troll we all know. Not a big deal, really. But the style is awfully familiar.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  120. Baxter – I think HL has unsuccessfully argued all 360 degrees of this one and has yet to reach a conclusion. Sharp as a marble this Obamatard.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  121. “The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.”

    You don’t really read this blog, do you?

    Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:46 pm

    Well, if he took this blog as gospel then Richard Nixon ended world hunger and Jimmy Carter re-introduced it… but because HL seems to be pretty well rounded he takes positions on things that he reads, not what Ann Coulter tells him to think. So, I would say he has pretty much summed up the birth certificate issue: DOA. (dead on arrival)

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  122. Someone’s ears were burning, apparently. Sock puppetry abounds!

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  123. tnj – Why don’t you peovide links to the post or comments on this blog that claim Nixon ended world hinger and Carter brought it bag, boy genius.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  124. Or better still, let’s see those ISP numbers for HL and TMJ.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  125. Eric – Just more patellar reflex leftism. They don’t think before they comment.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  126. Daley, you have posted here far longer. But those two sound awfully similar to one another.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  127. Daley, you have posted here far longer. But those two sound awfully similar to one another.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 9:53 pm

    Well then we can all be glad that you’re not analyzing this sort of thing for crime labs or as a history detective. I welcome DRJ to check our ISP numbers. We are different people. 😉

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  128. Well—though I doubt your honesty in this as in much of what you post (like your supposed science expertise, teaching background, etc)—two trolls don’t make a right.

    And I don’t mean “right” in the political sense.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  129. What won’t happen there is for votes to remain uncounted. It’s not how Minnesota works.

    Also, Coleman is up to his neck in corruption, so even if he manages to win his recount he’ll be gone soon enough.

    We need a better class of troll around here.

    You do notice, do you not, that he’s just tapped into his campaign funds to hire a high-priced defense lawyer.

    It’s only a matter of time. Coleman’s going to wind up in Club Fed.

    Comment by Horrible Leftist

    You really need to go somewhere else where people don’t follow politics. Your talents, such as they are, are wasted. Find some blog where the contributers are as stupid as you are.

    Do you realize what national laughingstocks the right-wing will be in short order here?

    No, not here. I suggest you try Kos or some other moonbat site. They will laugh at anything.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  130. I welcome any inquiries you may have into my profession, but I am not going to write an essay about it. That is just plain silly.

    I assure you that I can answer questions that a high school physics/chemistry teacher (I have a 7-12 physical science license) would know.

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  131. You really need to go somewhere else where people don’t follow politics. Your talents, such as they are, are wasted. Find some blog where the contributers are as stupid as you are.

    I have said it before and I will say it again: just because you wish something were untrue that doesn’t mean it is.

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  132. Mike K – HL’s lame ass links didn’t even support his contentions, which is also very similar to the way tnj links, on the rare occasions he links something.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  133. I have said it before and I will say it again:

    Youth is wasted on youth

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  134. Baxter – I think HL has unsuccessfully argued all 360 degrees of this one and has yet to reach a conclusion. Sharp as a marble this Obamatard.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 9:45 pm

    Well the liberals and their friends in the press better be prepared to lie,spin,cut,and paste all the information they can,because they are going to be real busy with the corrupt idiots they elected and all the promises that Obama is breaking on a daily basis.

    Democrats Are the New Ethics Story
    Blagojevich is just the tip of the iceberg.

    By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122964897338520479.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Instead, Democrats now have an image problem. The real issue isn’t so much Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s Senate-seat auction, as it is the focus that his scandal has directed toward a wider assortment of Democratic troubles. This isn’t great timing for Barack Obama, who campaigned on cleaner government.

    His Clinton-era appointments threaten to unleash their own round of stories, from a rehash of Eric Holder’s role in the Marc Rich pardon, to Bill Clinton’s foundation donors. And Mrs. Pelosi’s congressional problems threaten to become his own. Mr. Rangel, Mr. Reyes and Mr. Murtha — to name but a few — all head bodies that will be central to Mr. Obama’s agenda.

    Corrupt democrats all over the place combined with troops staying in Iraq,pissing off his leftwing base over gay marriage(when liberals get over their selective outrage and hold Christians like Hillary,Biden,and Obama to the same standards as the chruch’s they yell and scream in front of),signing on to the NSA wiretapping,keeping Gates,threating Iran with nuclear annihilation,no campaign finance reform,keeping the Bush tax cuts,no windfall profits tax on…and…on…and…on.

    yea,liberals,no sitting on the sidelines anymore whining and crying.
    Your honeymoon with the press and electorate is going to be very short lived.

    Baxter Greene (8035ae)

  135. I would think one of their IP addresses is from a non-english speaking country (a proxy), or from the same neighborhood (neighbor’s unencrypted wifi) if they are the same person.

    Though it’s rare that I’m not in a room without at least 2 dumb people, so I don’t know that they are eachother.

    Joco (4cdfb7)

  136. I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.

    This is one of my favorite Leftist memes. Had Rahmbo been the one to go to the FBI, Baracky and Rahmbo would have had a presser where they each dislocated a shoulder patting themselves on their own backs.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  137. Baxter – Even Campbell Brown was getting a little snippy over Obama’s stonewalling and mistreatment of the press the other night.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  138. If what I speculate is in fact true

    If your Aunt had nuts she would be your uncle …

    JD (7f8e8c)

  139. I don’t mind debating people who don’t agree with me. What does annoy me is the practice on leftist blogs like Mother Jones and Washington Monthly of deleting any comments that don’t agree with the leftist slant of the site. Then the moonbats come over to blogs that don’t delete comments and post crap like HL with links that don’t support their arguments.

    Life is too short to debate trolls.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  140. So when I said scandal is dogging the Obama Administration, I was saying scandal is following it closely.</i

    By that incoherent logic, historians are entitled to conclude Clarence Thomas was “dogged by scandal.”

    Much as others observe that Eliot Spitzer was.

    steve (de8f32)

  141. Your honeymoon with the press and electorate is going to be very short lived.

    This comment flies in the face of the “MSM is in the Dem’s pocket” routine. Are you sure we want to switch our argument at this point?

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  142. JD – If your Aunt had nuts she would be your uncle …

    You’re the best, even if you’re an unrepentant racist!

    Apogee (366e8b)

  143. Now THAT is funny.

    The Poseur Maximus writes:

    “…I assure you that I can answer questions that a high school physics/chemistry teacher (I have a 7-12 physical science license) would know….”

    Two responses:

    1. Riiiggghhht.

    2. Does the expression “damned by faint praise” mean anything?

    Bugs Bunny still has the best commentary on this character.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  144. “If what I speculate is in fact true”

    Your brother was an only child.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  145. EB: If you actually confirmed my expertise then you could no longer poke fun at it. Your game is quite transparent (and weak).

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  146. “Your honeymoon with the press and electorate is going to be very short lived.

    This comment flies in the face of the “MSM is in the Dem’s pocket” routine. Are you sure we want to switch our argument at this point?”

    tnj – Read the future tense boy genius.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  147. Thanks, Apogee.

    TMJ thinks that the media is going to turn conservative when they spit them some Baracky out, as they were developing TMJ. That they removed him from their mouth does not mean that they have turned conservative, TMJ. It simply meant that they were full, and at some point in time, they will reinsert Baracky and go deep throat again …

    JD (7f8e8c)

  148. There is a school out there that is letting the village idiot teach their children. How sad.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  149. Ah, projection again—no wonder you dislike the word.

    You are a fake and a troll. You just post to argue with people, and to try to get folks agitated with you.

    Attempts to get you to describe your expertise resulted in your claiming that you wouldn’t “write term papers” for others. So many people here, myself included, continue to think you are an undergraduate with a huge chip on your shoulder.

    The sad part is that if I am wrong, it would be a horrible thing for middle and high school students—given your behavior here.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  150. “If you actually confirmed my expertise then you could no longer poke fun at it.”

    tnj – I thought it was impossible to prove a negative. Are you saying it is not?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  151. Hey, daley, the troll “teaches” physics, not English composition.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  152. confirmed my expertise

    Being an expert with Jergen’s and the Magic Sock is not really something you should be bragging about.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  153. TMJ thinks that the media is going to turn conservative when they spit them some Baracky out, as they were developing TMJ. That they removed him from their mouth does not mean that they have turned conservative, TMJ. It simply meant that they were full, and at some point in time, they will reinsert Baracky and go deep throat again …

    Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:24 pm

    I will tell you what I think, don’t assume. I have seen what happens when you guys assume things on here and it ends up being a colossal train wreck.

    And, nice pivot on this one. Uh…. I didn’t mean now… I meant.. um… later? Yeah, later… that’s it.

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  154. JD – I thought it was Oil of Olay

    fap fap fap fap fap

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  155. Hey, daley, the troll “teaches” physics, not English composition.

    Actually that is logic not English composition, dumbass.

    And you call me a threadjacker? You started all this crap. Why don’t you stay on topic?

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  156. You started all this crap.

    ?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  157. Let’s review, folks. This character is complaining that someone else is off topic?

    And actually uses the word “logic” in a post?

    Amazing.

    The amusing part is that if the troll quit…well, being a troll…people wouldn’t poke at him. But then, the faux-aggression biz is his schtick.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  158. “Actually that is logic not English composition, dumbass.”

    That’s Mr. Dumbass to you, boy genius.

    How about if we just call you Spanky instead?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  159. So which is it, TMJ. Do you teach logic, or science. It really does not matter. I admire the local school district reaching out to village idiots and giving them a chance in life. Too bad their efforts will have to screw up some kid’s education in the process. But, good on you. Way to overcome …

    JD (7f8e8c)

  160. Hmmmm…

    http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/post/1919430.aspx

    Sounds familiar….

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  161. JD – I think you hurt Spanky’s feelings.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  162. #

    Baxter – Even Campbell Brown was getting a little snippy over Obama’s stonewalling and mistreatment of the press the other night.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:17 pm

    The press has made such fools of themselves playing democratic activists that even the National Enquirer is scooping them on stories(Edwards screwing around on his cancer sick wife).

    They worked overtime spinning and glossing over Obama’s lack of experience,accomplishments,and radical associations while they dug through Palin’s trash for tanning bed receipts and proof of her being the mother of Trig.
    What little bit of credibility they had has been invested in their light worker Obama and it is going to blow right up in their face.
    Before 2009 is up,their will be a whole lot of people wondering where all the hope and change is
    and blaming Bush won’t get it anymore.
    They have the House,Senate,and Presidency.
    Reality is going to be a bitc# and not very popular with the people waiting on their Messiah to pay their mortgage and gas.

    Baxter Greene (8035ae)

  163. truthnjustice wrote:

    Get.
    Lives.
    People.

    I may be a troll (actually, I am not… wtf is a troll?), but I have not been wasting my existence on this f-ing site. Go out with your wives/significant others, raise your kids, do charity work. For heaven’s sake, get some lives. You don’t need to (troll) sit on this site 24/7 just to respond with ‘troll’ (creative) 14 seconds after I post something.

    TNJ, at 3:56 pm this afternoon, you claimed “I have not been wasting my existence on this f-ing site.” As I type this message, it is 11:14 pm, and you left your last message here a mere 41 minutes ago. Clearly, you’ve been wasting enough time for us to be annoyed by your constant presence.

    I will speak for myself only and say that I appreciate your sincere encouragement for us all to “get some lives,” but as any mental health counselor can tell you, you can’t cure someone else who is sick. That person has to first come to the realization s/he has a problem, and then that individual must make the effort to get well. But I would venture to guess that few people would agree with your ecchspurt opinion that we don’t “have lives.” IOW, we don’t believe we have a problem.

    I guess we’re all lost causes, fated to live the rest of our lives without lives. But you, truthnjustice, you don’t have to be like us. You can escape our sorry fate! Please, don’t think you have to save us from ourselves — save yourself, TNJ … SAVE YOURSELF!

    Leave us here, TNJ! Get off “this f-ing site!”

    :) But seriously, folks :)

    I just had a ’90s flashback to my first days on the Internet in unmoderated AOL chat rooms, where profane punk kids (who thought it was “kewl” to use capital letters in the middle of words) would start chatroom brawls for no reason. When people would tell them to knock it off, inevitably, they would challenge others to meet them in real life for a three-dimensional beatdown.

    It was common for such punks to suggest that everyone in the chatroom was a “loser” — at the least. To which my reply always was, “If that’s the way you feel about us, why are you here hanging out with us?”

    The punks never had (or have) a good answer to that question.

    L.N. Smithee (302dc3)

  164. Darn it! Just hit “submit” and forgot to adjust the interval between TNJ posts. Eh, whatever. I think I made my point.

    L.N. Smithee (302dc3)

  165. At this point, it seems the whole government administration in Illinois is really up shit creek because of this scandal. They can’t really hold a special election, because there is a decent chance a Republican could take the seat and with how things are now, ANY results are going to be put under question anyway barring a landslide of about 10% or more by one of the candidates. They can’t let Blagojevich appoint Obama’s replacement because any appointments of his are going to be toxic and no one will trust them. And they can’t get the LtGov in position to make the appointment because Blago is out there joyously giving the finger to the entire Democrat machine and DARING them to get him impeached, rather than resign gracefully.

    I’m seriously torn about how to interpret all of this. From the perspective of my own dislike of Democrats and machine politics in particular, I’m not saddened that a group of individuals that hold themselves up as social purists who fight for “minorities” against “The Man” are getting their shit exposed and mocked like this. Quite frankly, it’s been too long that Illinois and Chicago machine politics have been excused and winked at by the left because “that’s how things are done.” About 100 years ago, this is the kind of bullshit that actual progressives stood against. Now, experience in this environment is considered a feature of the very man modern-day progressives helped put into office. The hypocrisy (the one thing that the left LOVES to highlight when a Republican gets caught in corruption) is hardly astonishing, but it is still disappointing.

    At the same time, common sense dictates that scandals like this are nothing but negative in the eyes of the public because it undermines confidence in the system of laws that govern this nation. That the people of Illinois have passively accepted a state political system that is so corrupt for so many decades now(a phenomenon not limited to Chicago, obviously) is a clear demonstration of this. So I can’t help but feel saddend at least by the fact that what we seeing in Illinois right now has become acceptable in this country simply because no one wants to hold their elected leaders up to a higher standard than “Who’s going to give me the most goodies?”

    In a democracy, we get the government we deserve. So Illinois, I hope you choke on this for a good long time. You’re about to become a national joke and it couldn’t happen to a bunch of nicer people because you used greed rather than competency and integrity as the benchmark for your elected representatives.

    Another Chris (1487d0)

  166. Probably because Blago asked for consideration in return for appointing Obama’s preference. If he made a sufficiently blatant request, then I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.

    He’s no dummy. Everyone knew that Blago was corrupt, stupid, and being tailed by the FBI. If that’s the way it turns out to have happened, I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts. Talk about your perfect political setup!

    I’ve thought all along that it’s not impossible that Emanuel went to the FBI. I sincerely doubt it, since a) it doesn’t seem like him, and b) he probably would have said so by now. But it’s by no means certain that he’ll come out of this looking bad.

    You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy, and I like having smart guys from the left around here. I wonder if there’s a way that I could persuade you to go easy on insulting my commenters. Internet communication makes it easy to be flippant and insult others, and we all fall prey to the temptation, so I don’t mean to sound holier than thou. But is there a way that we can benefit from your arguments and insights, but receive them with a little less attitude mixed in there?

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  167. A BIO…
    truthnjustice
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Industrial Engineer, but no mention as to which discipline;
    Bookstore owner;

    Have I missed anything?
    Contributions/additions will be appreciated – we need to have an accurate accounting of the many great accomplishments of this sterling individual.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  168. Guilt or innocence are irrelevant. He only has to be made to appear tainted to destroy him politically. The more associates of Obama from Chicagoland that can be tainted bad, the better. Spread the “wealth” prosecutor man, hahaha.

    It was JJJr who informed the feds. Rahm did not. Rahm is “not a part of the investigation” until he is. You don’t make him an official target until you have what you want.

    Ray (8cfb7a)

  169. HL seems in high dudgeon over allegations from third-parties that might link to Sen Coleman, but why doesn’t he mention a real complaint by a state official about the personal use of campaign funds by a sitting Attorney-General?

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  170. Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 7:16 am

    Could it have anything to do with the fact that the A-G in question is a Democrat?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  171. A BIO…
    truthnjustice
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Industrial Engineer, but no mention as to which discipline;
    Bookstore owner;

    Mechanical engineer
    Bookstore owner

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  172. Hmm, that ‘bookstore owner’ was supposed to have a strike through it.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  173. bookstore owner…see link in #161,
    explanations are always welcomed.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  174. Ha ha ha ha!! What’s the acronym? Ah, yes: ROTFLMAO!!

    This line reminds me of one of Cagney’s greatest roles, that of a psychopathic killer in the classic film White Heat. As he’s going down in flames on top of a building, he’s screaming “Look at me, Ma! TOP OF THE WORLD! HA, HA HA!”

    You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy,

    With all due respect to our esteemed host, I tend to severely disagree with this sentiment.

    Dmac (e30284)

  175. explanations are always welcomed.

    No, they aren’t.

    It isn’t me.

    Come on, is truthnjustice really that creative that no single English-speaking person on Earth could have thought of it?

    Then again, neither is Another Drew.

    Though, for somebody who seems to pride himself on accuracy, you seem to forget a lot of details that I have gratiously given you about my life. I am quite certain that I told you I was a mechanical design engineer, and at no point told you I was an industrial engineer. Considering the priority you have given to completely derailing the threads in order to respond to me with irrelevent junk, I would think you would remember these things.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  176. You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy,

    With all due respect to our esteemed host, I tend to severely disagree with this sentiment.

    Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 8:02 am

    How can the host ask someone from another perspective to be nice when all that greets him is this?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  177. AD, you forgot to list SUPER-GENIUS!

    Mossberg500 (9fd170)

  178. His modesty precluded that appellation of achievement.
    Certain proprieties need to be observed.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  179. Mossberg

    Quite funny.

    The rest of you that respond to this troll – for shame!

    It’s one thing to argue with a leftist communitarian who’s consistent. It’s another to argue with someone who has no core beliefs and nothing but contrarianism as an attitude.

    Why do you respond to TMJ? You know he has nothing to say – it’s like arguing with a book-on-tape: nothing you say will affect what the tape will say next.

    steve miller (337d04)

  180. ACME Heathkit assembly?

    Mossberg500 (9fd170)

  181. George Stephanopolous is reporting:

    Sources tell me that the Obama team’s review of contacts with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich will show that Rahm Emanuel had only one phone conversation with Blagojevich.

    The contact, described as a “pro-forma” courtesy call, came as Emanuel was named Chief of Staff for Obama. Most of the discussion concerned Emanuel’s Congressional seat (which had previously been held by Blagojevich), with only a “passing reference” to the Senate vacancy, according to these sources. No deal for the Senate vacancy was discussed.

    The sources add that the report will show Emanuel also had four phone calls with Blagojevich Chief of Staff John Harris. During those conversations, the Senate seat was discussed. The pros and cons of various candidates were reviewed, and the sources say that Emanuel repeatedly reminded Harris that Blagojevich should focus on the message the pick would send about the governor and his administration.

    Sources also confirm that Emanuel made the case for picking Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett during at least one of the conversations. In the course of that conversation, Harris asked if in return for picking Jarrett, “all we get is appreciation, right?” “Right,” Emanuel responded.

    So the Obama camp says 5 phone calls total, only a little about Jarrett.
    Left unanswered is how Blagojevich, the SEIU guy, and Jarrett all came to believe the SEIU guy was negotiating for Jarrett.

    MayBee (9614ff)

  182. A BIO…
    truthnjustice
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Industrial Mechanical Engineer;
    Bookstore owner;
    Plagiarist.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  183. Horrible Leftist’s Greatest Hits!

    34. If I were a wingnut
    40. maybe a link from Wingnut McNews will get your attention?
    44. I do realize that you are a member of the stupid party, but try to find a couple brain cells to rub together here.
    51. you’re the second lazy wingnut in a couple hours.
    57. But, you know what? Wingnuts, have at it. Couldn’t have to a nicer bunch o’nutcases.
    62. Nice wingnut math there!
    69. Come now, my desperate nutcase. But hey wingnuts, please don’t take my word for it. Come on, nutcases. Bring it on! I dare ya!
    71. A nutcase wrote it. I love it when nutcases smell smoke!
    83. I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts.
    88. Again, nutcases, pool a few spare brain cells. Are you sure you’re wingnuts, you wingnuts will come across as desperate sore losers
    90. unless you wingnuts maybe think that Obama IS God
    93. Oh, nutcases!
    110. That’s when the wingnuts went crazy and said he was covering up.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  184. And then doucheandjustice tsk tsk’s how HL was treated because someone said that he doesn’t find HL particularly smart! Hilarious.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  185. But Jack, they both prefer Jergen’s.

    Dmac (e30284)

  186. Do they tuck “it” under and raise rare moths?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  187. Jack, HL meant those comments in the nicest way possible. It makes similar remarks at Gateway Pundit.

    Mossberg500 (9fd170)

  188. HL certainly does have a noticeable infatuation with nuts.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  189. I’ve seen it at Gateway as well. He reminds me of the painfully unfunny class clown who thinks he’s hilarious and never shuts the hell up even though everyone except maybe a sycophant or two just thinks a boorish asshole.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  190. “just thinks a boorish asshole.”
    PIMF -forgot the appropriate pronoun: “it”.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  191. Fitzgerald loves “Obstruction of justice”
    Obama and Emmanuel need to learn to be careful

    SteveG (d0dc77)

  192. Do they tuck “it” under and raise rare moths?

    Not sure, but they do prefer to dress up and enact their favorite scenes from “Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.”

    Dmac (e30284)

  193. Just so you know, the reason HL is over here is because he was banned at Gateway Pundit.

    rls (14b9d3)

  194. As for trolls of any name, the genesis is pretty simple:

    1. Folks who like to fight and argue, but lack personal courage. In other words, they type things on the Internet they would never dare say in, say, a bar.
    2. They come to a blog like this, and see that it leans right.
    3. To feel like Speaking Troof to Powder, they decide to disagree. The typical troll sees himself as the Lone Wolf, speaking out in what starts out as a goal of “fairness” that quickly changes to “tit for tat” and then simple contradiction.
    4. Its reactive disagreement (contradiction) quickly descends into insult and posting web pointers from DK or DU.
    5. Soon, the personal aspect of the argumentation is more important than the topic. Distilled essence of Troll.

    There are people on this blog who do lean left, and do so in a civil and nonconfrontational fashion. They aren’t trolls.

    The people who just like to pick fights? Trolls.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  195. Why, whatever for, rls?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  196. Not too surprising that someone like Blagojevich apparently is quite brazen and shameless about the controversies/scandals swirling around him, and resisting criticism and calls to step down. After all, when it comes to his who-gives-a-damn response, he and his party have taken lessons from the best, running the gamet from Bill and Hillary, Al Sharpton, and Al Franken to images along the lines of Jimmy Carter sitting next to Michael Moore at the 2004 Democrat convention. And, for that matter, running the gamet from our next president, Barack “I-throw-Jeremiah-Wright-under-the-bus” Obama, to vice president, Joe “plagerist-and-FDR-gave-speeches-on-TV” Biden.

    Merely the sloppy-ass ethics and no-shame-shrug-if-off mindset that is the trademark of the left and urban-Democrat politics in particular.

    Mark (411533)

  197. “How can the host ask someone from another perspective to be nice when all that greets him is this?”

    — Do unto others, dude. If you believe that the other guy is going about it the wrong way, DON’T sink to his level.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  198. Hey, Icy, you know how it goes:

    1. Say that everyone started out insulting you.
    2. When shown your initial posts, ignore your own insulting posts that started off the trollfest.
    3. When pressed, claim that your own initial posts weren’t insulting.

    The usual thing. Just imagine this character in a bar acting this way. Teeth would scatter like Chiclets.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  199. Just ask Patterico to ban the guy. In America, we petition the government for a redress of grievances trolls. Think of it as the peaceful internet version of how Stalin dealt with Trotsky.

    Official Internet Data Office (8aa339)

  200. OIDO, Patterico has asked HL to tone it down. We’ll see.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  201. I hope we’re not going to have to chase anyone into Mexico?

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  202. Why must everyone continue to feed the Trolls? They only continue to exist based on rampant attention to their threadjacking – cut off their oxygen, and they eventually die off.

    Dmac (e30284)

  203. The lies are amusing or outrageous….but you are spot-on, Dmac.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  204. If you don’t feed them they just wander around banging their heads into walls. It’s much more amusing to throw them a bone and watch them smack themselves in the face with it.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  205. Very well – but that act is way past it’s sell – by date, IMHO.

    Dmac (e30284)

  206. I thought HL’s first comment on the site was on another thread wondering how long it would take before he was banned.

    He did not come here in good faith. Screw him if that’s his approach.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  207. Had Rahmbo been the one to go to the FBI, Baracky and Rahmbo would have had a presser where they each dislocated a shoulder patting themselves on their own backs.

    But see, that just proves their humility!

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  208. Obama has brought unprecedented shame onto the once-noble Office of the President-Elect.

    Evil Pundit (843b74)

  209. I may be less tolerant of trolls because I have seen them wreck good usenet groups and web sites. That has now happened to Festering Swamp due to trolls and how to deal with them. It’s too bad.

    It is particularly annoying when leftist sites just delete comments by anyone disagreeing and don’t even acknowledge the comment was ever submitted.

    Illinois politics is corrupt in both parties and Obama is wading right back into the crap bucket with Ray LaHood as Sec Transportation.

    President-elect Barack Obama made a fascinating announcement.

    Obama selected outgoing Illinois U.S. Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Combine) for the post of secretary of transportation, putting LaHood in charge of Obama’s planned trillion-dollar public works bonanza being sold as a jobs bill.

    “Every dollar that we spend, we want it spent on projects that are there, not because of politics, but because they’re good for the American people,” Obama said. “If we’re building a road, it better not be a road to nowhere.”

    Not because of politics? What does the great reformer take us for, a bunch of chumbolones?

    What Obama forgot to mention is that with LaHood in charge of the roads, they’ll lead to one place:

    Bill Cellini.

    Cellini, the Republican boss of Springfield who has been indicted in the Blagojevich scandal for allegedly shaking down the producer of the movie “Million Dollar Baby,” is a strong LaHood ally. Cellini runs Sangamon County, and LaHood has enjoyed Cellini’s political support.

    They also joined to help oust the last true reformer in Illinois politics, former Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, the Republican who was denied an endorsement from his own state party after he brought federal prosecutors to Illinois with no connection to the bipartisan Combine that runs things here.

    Republican money man Cellini is not only the Chicago political connection to machine Democrats and Mayor Richard Daley’s City Hall—and a Blagojevich fundraiser—he’s also the boss of the Illinois Asphalt Pavement Association.

    Nobody is dragging Obama into this cesspool. He is doing a swan dive right into the worst state politics in the country, possibly excepting Louisiana.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  210. “he’s also the boss of the Illinois Asphalt Pavement Association.”
    I wonder if he runs the shovel and grease racket too.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  211. Mike – that choice is only about one thing, and that’s blind loyalty. Obama wants a yes man who knows when to shut the hell up or else what for, and what better place to find such a person than right here?

    Dmac (e30284)

  212. What have I been saying for months now regarding The Combine? There is no discernable difference between the parties here, nor are there any different shades, other than green.

    Dmac (e30284)

  213. Dmac, I agree but it is revealing that Obama went right back to his corrupt roots for a yes-man. For one thing, he doesn’t know anyone else in politics. For another, he is comfortable with crooks.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  214. Dmac, you are familiar with Obama, and his “context” in Chicago/Illinois politics.

    I wonder if BO is up to the task of dealing with genuine political realities, or if he is just a mouthpiece for the Chicago Machine.

    Easy for me to have an opinion. Unlike most of us, you know how the fellow operates, as does the rest of the machine.

    What do you think? I don’t want to be overly negative, but I am thinking some nasty sailing ahead, when “Hope and Change” becomes “Clinton Cubed” regarding corruption.

    Am I wrong?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  215. Am I wrong?

    Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 12:14 pm
    No you are Blair. Eric Blair.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  216. You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy, and I like having smart guys from the left around here. I wonder if there’s a way that I could persuade you to go easy on insulting my commenters. Internet communication makes it easy to be flippant and insult others, and we all fall prey to the temptation, so I don’t mean to sound holier than thou. But is there a way that we can benefit from your arguments and insights, but receive them with a little less attitude mixed in there?

    Hey, Patterico, have you ever asked your wingnut commenters to cut it out with the insults? What’s the problem? You people just looooooooooove to dish it out, but as soon as you get it thrown right back, you shout, “Eek! It’s a mouse!” You people are classic grade-school bullies: the first to go crying to the teacher when someone punches back.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  217. Thanks for your input, alphie.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  218. Oh, I get it. Based on Gateway Pundit, this character is trying to earn “tough guy points” by getting banned. Look at the “crying to the teacher” line. Puh-leeze.

    Dmac is right.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  219. I’ll bet you are correct, AD. There are probably two of these characters posting under various ‘nyms.

    Superbad. Tough. Troof to Powder!

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  220. Well, Patrick, you got your answer from the troll.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  221. The goal is to get banned. It would be interesting to learn if this is a New Troll or an Old Troll, however.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  222. I must be banned. No self-respecting wingnut website can ever let anyone persist in telling the truth. Do that, and you lose your reason to live!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  223. Maybe eighth grade. Emotionally, anyway.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  224. Hey, Patterico, have you ever asked your wingnut commenters to cut it out with the insults?

    Well, crowd? Have I?

    But I sure won’t demand any politeness towards you until you show it to others?

    HL is new to this site and comes on insulting everyone and making unfounded assumptions about people. See Jack Klompus’s list above.

    He is asking to be insulted, and as far as I’m concerned, commenters are free to give him what he asks for.

    I’m not banning him just because he expects to be banned. That doesn’t necessarily mean bad faith on his part; it could mean he is assuming bad faith on my part.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  225. Or is a masochist, Patterico.

    We could always be sadists and ignore his/her/its nonsense.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  226. Asphyxiation is the best troll medicine.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  227. Patterico, no the bad faith is rather evident in his behavior.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  228. I don’t ever expect politeness on a wingnut site. It’s not in your gene pool. Nor do I expect good faith or reason. They’ve been bred out of your cohort. Just look at your crowd. No responses to the content of what I wrote. Only requests for a ban. How typical is that?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  229. … so says he with the major inferiorities…

    Ray (8cfb7a)

  230. Well, Hypocritical Leftist has the projection part of his stereotype down right.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  231. Isn’t it…interesting…to see that level of projection, incidentally?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  232. Projection of that magnitude could only be exceeded in a MultiPlex.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  233. No, actually, Eric. I’ve gotten quite bored with the levels of projection displayed by the weak-mined. The utter lack of analysis, or even comprehension that is shows just got old long ago.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  234. Horrible Leftist #217:

    Hey, Patterico, have you ever asked your wingnut commenters to cut it out with the insults?

    Patterico has banned 2-3 conservative commenters for insults, etc., that I recall.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  235. On the contrary, we’d like you to please list the number of medications you’re currently under prescription:

    Please place a check for the following:

    Vicotin ( )
    Ritalin ( )
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    Vasogil ( )

    Thank you for your time.

    Dmac (e30284)

  236. DRJ, facts are irrelevant.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  237. hmmm, can’t see any content either through the dense layer anger smog.

    Ray (8cfb7a)

  238. HL,

    And here’s an example of someone Patterico threatened to ban.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  239. Well, crowd? Have I?

    Routinely.

    I love it when Leftists whine about getting banned, when that it part and parcel of what they do – Kos, Maha, manbearpig, et al.

    No responses to the content of what I wrote.

    The extent of your content was “stupid fargin’ wingnut haters !!!!!!!!!!!”

    Why would anyone feel the need to respond to that?! It is simpler and more efficient to point out that you are a bad-faithed twatwaffle.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  240. If you use the Firefox browser, try Troll Blocker for Grease Monkey and they disappear like magic. Of course, the trolls can’t tell when someone isn’t running the program, but is just ignoring them.

    Remember trolls, in cyberspace no one can hear you scream. . .with the right software.

    Official Internet Data Office (8aa339)

  241. Hey OIDO, is that sort of like the Republican reality-blocker? You crack me up, fool!

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  242. Nope, HL. You have not brought an ounce of “reality” to this place. You serve up cold Leftist pablum and canards, nothing original, nothing new, nothing particularly insightful. You hate. It is what the Left does. It is sad, you fuckin’ twatwaffle.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  243. You serve up cold Leftist pablum and canards, nothing original, nothing new, nothing particularly insightful.

    Yeah, but at least I didn’t get my panties in a twist about some fake-o scandal that is, as we speak, turning around to bite the far right wing in the ass. This is actually all for the good, by the way. By the time Obama is sworn in, you and your playmates will be left by the side of the road crying and wondering why mom and dad left you there.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  244. Why is it that the fuckin’ trolls like Horrible Asshat, jharphy, TMJ, alphie/sniffles/turnip think that when they show up, and take a shit in someone’s living room, that they will not be treated accordingly?

    JD (7f8e8c)

  245. fake-o scandal

    Blagojevich wasn’t indicted? A Dem governor and close political ally of Teh One is not involved in a scandal, and Teh Lightworker did not lie about it?

    All heat, no light, all the time.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  246. I’m more wonder why they think that making sweeping statements – without providing even a shred of data to back it up – makes the statement true.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  247. Scott – Not only that, but they have this bizarre notion that they get to show up, lie, and that it is incumbent upon you to prove that they are lying, rather than it being their burden of proof to support their assertions, which they inevitably cannot or will not do.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  248. “No responses to the content of what I wrote.”

    HL – Whatever “content” there was in what you wrote was debunked and shoved up your ass sideways last night, cupcake, not that you’d notice.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  249. Scott, its fantasyland thinking. If they wish real hard, fairies won’t die and Obama’s statements will be truthful.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  250. UNICORNS AND FAIRY DUST FOR EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

    JD (7f8e8c)

  251. “Yeah, but at least I didn’t get my panties in a twist about some fake-o scandal”

    HL – Yeah, that’s obvious to us, which is why you came back again today to talk about that fake-o scandal that has got you steamy under the silk.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  252. Its going to be quite the shock as the country realizes that it traded one of the least corrupt administrations in US history for a scummy pile of Clinton leftovers and Chicago machine politicians.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  253. Blagojevich wasn’t indicted? A Dem governor and close political ally of Teh One is not involved in a scandal, and Teh Lightworker did not lie about it?

    Blago was indicted. A Demo gov was involved in a scandal. Whether he was a “close political ally” is in the eye of the beholder, but I’ll even accept that one for purposes of argument. As for Obama lying about it: bullshit. That one’s not going anywhere, but please do keep repeating it because the more you repeat it the dumber you look.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  254. HL – Are you getting a vial of Obama sweat for Christmas, one of his cigarette butts perhaps? What holy relic have you managed to procure for yourself?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  255. As for Obama lying about it: bullshit

    Even Baracky has backtracked like 8 times from his original dishonest statement.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  256. JD – Backtracking is not lying, that is the Obama way!

    Nuance!

    O!

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  257. Did Axelrod, or did he not meet with the Governor to discuss this shortly after the election?

    How does Blago know that Baracky is going to give nothing but appreciation if he had not asked them?

    JD (7f8e8c)

  258. As for Obama lying about it: bullshit.

    Obama made a statement. That statement has been shown to be false. What the hell do YOU call that?

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  259. A funny thing happened on the way to the forum today….
    Watched MTP, and I could swear I heard one of the talking breasts heads say that though they’ve arrested Blago, they still haven’t brought an indictment, that they’ve got 30-days from his arrest to do so.
    ????

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  260. AD,

    Here’s my best guess:

    Under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, a criminal complaint is “a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It must be made under oath before a magistrate judge …” On the other hand, an indictment is issued based on evidence presented to a grand jury.

    Felonies with punishment over 1 year must be prosecuted based on an indictment, so the U.S. Attorney will have to obtain and issue a superseding indictment if he plans to prosecute on that basis. However, I don’t think it’s unusual to use a complaint to get an arrest warrant and follow up later with an indictment.

    DRJ (be6fb0)

  261. No responses to the content of what I wrote. Only requests for a ban. How typical is that?

    HL, there was in fact, no response from you to my linking an insightful AT essay from a Chicago worker that would lend itself well to the issue of this post. Rather instead, you were a smartass and shot back with this and obviously no interest in looking into the issue,

    Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!

    I later offered this up to give correction to the above statement and received no acknowledgment because you were too busy insulting other commenters,

    Shy of a confession by those involved, I will not be able to prove conclusively that Obama did not write this book. As shall be seen, however, there are only two real possibilities: one is that Obama experienced a near miraculous turnaround in his literary abilities; the second is that he had major editorial help, up to and including a ghostwriter.

    I have not requested you be banned as you have made accusation of, nor had you a response to the content of what I wrote rather instead have had you just be insulting. Yes, you’re right – how typical.

    Dana (79a78b)

  262. Comment by DRJ — 12/21/2008 @ 4:37 pm
    Thanks for the clarrification.
    I was confused because when I went to Google, I got back a bunch of stuff that was quoting the “74-page indictment”, and yet clearly heard these noted newsies say no indictment, and then commenters here were saying indictment. It was my impression when this all started that we were dealing with a 74-page criminal complaint; but, what the Hell do I know, I’m just a wing-nut from the VRWC Ditto-sphere.

    To destroy a civilization, first destroy the language.

    Another Drew (0403d0)

  263. A BIO…
    truthnjustice
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Industrial Mechanical Engineer;
    Bookstore owner;
    Plagiarist.

    Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 8:21 am

    Of course you would call me a plagiarist without any rational explanation or evidence, because all the other half-wits on this site will solemnly nod without question.

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  264. Here comes a blizzard of inanity …

    JD (7f8e8c)

  265. Former owner of a successful bookstore, JD and AD. That’s an important distinction.

    I think.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  266. Does that mean it is a current owner of an unsuccessful bookstore?

    JD (7f8e8c)

  267. Cook County Sheriff Dart confessed to mail fraud today but I doubt he will be prosecuted.

    nk (20403f)

  268. nk – Wasn’t Tom Dart a young state Rep. with Blagojevich?

    JD (7f8e8c)

  269. Dana, that “American Thinker” site is a laughable wingnut joke. I rolled on the floor at the article that tried to say that William Ayers wrote Obama’s first book. What a bunch of flaming nutcases! If I was on your side of the fence, I’d be embarrassed. I mean, the Daily Kos is a walk in the park compared to them and some of the other wackos on your side of the fence.

    But it will change, because now the spotlight is on. The wingnutosphere will be very different in a few years. You’ll soon realize that you’re going to have to behave yourselves if you hope to win any support.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  270. I rolled on the floor at the article

    So you’re telling us you have the emotional maturity of a five – year old?

    Dmac (e30284)

  271. Seriously, what meds are you taking for that condition?

    Dmac (e30284)

  272. #270,

    Stop by again in a couple of years when you realize that the President(snicker)Elect will not pay your mortgage or make your car payment and, worst of all, will not leave Michelle for you.

    nk (20403f)

  273. I rolled on the floor at the article that tried to say that William Ayers wrote Obama’s first book.

    That’s the bowdlerized version of the story. The real story is that Ayers took Juggy’s virginity.

    nk (20403f)

  274. I rolled on the floor at the article that tried to say that William Ayers wrote Obama’s first book.

    Again, proving you are a liar, since the author went to great lengths to state explicitly that he was not saying that.

    JD (7f8e8c)

  275. HL can’t read for comprehension. That explains a lot.

    Pablo (99243e)

  276. Again, proving you are a liar, since the author went to great lengths to state explicitly that he was not saying that.

    Yeah, like when the Republican criminal, Richard Nixon, went on at length about all the things that he wanted to be done to the Democrats, and dropped in at the end of the sentence, “But that would be wrong.”

    You nutcases just crack me up! Have fun with “American Thinker.” Hey, how about that article about the 10 reasons McJerk was going to win the election? That was a classic of the genre, eh?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  277. Yeah, like when the Republican criminal, Richard Nixon, went on at length about all the things that he wanted to be done to the Democrats, and dropped in at the end of the sentence, “But that would be wrong.”

    But Rahmbo stabbing a table while yelling out Clinton oponents and adding “dead” is perfectly innocent, yes?

    You really are loony, you know that? Is critical thinking painful for you or something?

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  278. And so mature, too!

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  279. I don’t know, Scott. I sense someone with high aspirations currently operating a Slurpee machine at a 7-11.

    To be sure, this troll might actually be a highly paid and extremely important captain of industry. But I rather doubt it, based on the likely medicated nature of its posts.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  280. But Rahmbo stabbing a table while yelling out Clinton oponents and adding “dead” is perfectly innocent, yes?

    Look on the the bright side. He didn’t lie his way into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people, cost a trillion bucks, and achieved nothing. It takes a Republican to hate his own country quite that much.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  281. He didn’t lie his way into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people

    Who did that?

    JD (7f8e8c)

  282. Who did that?

    Oh who do you think the retard is talking about. Forget that Iraq was the most extensively prosecuted case to go to war in American history, with pages upon pages of reasons for us to move in.

    Ignore the 17 different UN resolutions that were violated by Saddam, each one calling for military action should he fail to comply.

    Ignore the fact that somewhere around 80-90 percent of the death is Iraq have been cause by suicide bombs, IEDs, and attacks against soft targets like Schools, Churches, and Polling places – which means not by us.

    Ignore all of that, JD. This is Leftist Land, where facts, data, and information are unimportant. what matters is how the statement fits with what you THINK! How it makes you FEEL!!

    The movie doubt has a very, very accurate line. The preacher says to the (so I call her) antagonist “But you have no proof!”, and she responds “I have my certainty.”

    HL and his ilk will certain fail to see the horrible nature of that line.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  283. He didn’t lie his way into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people, cost a trillion bucks, and achieved nothing. It takes a Republican to hate his own country quite that much.

    I thought you lefties revered JFK. He was a Democrat, BTW.

    Pablo (99243e)

  284. Palate cleanser: Here’s a nice holiday story.

    Pablo (99243e)

  285. #270,

    Stop by again in a couple of years when you realize that the President(snicker)Elect will not pay your mortgage or make your car payment and, worst of all, will not leave Michelle for you.

    Comment by nk — 12/21/2008 @ 7:47 pm

    Yet another reason they will be embarrassed in a few years, eh HL?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  286. Oh who do you think the retard is talking about. Forget that Iraq was the most extensively prosecuted case to go to war in American history, with pages upon pages of reasons for us to move in.

    Please please please link us to these pages…. and not the ‘wmd’ or the ‘smoking mushroom clouds’ that have obviously been proven to be lies.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  287. I don’t know, Scott. I sense someone with high aspirations currently operating a Slurpee machine at a 7-11.

    To be sure, this troll might actually be a highly paid and extremely important captain of industry. But I rather doubt it, based on the likely medicated nature of its posts.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 10:00 pm

    HL: Don’t worry about it, they do this to everybody who has beaten them in a debate.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  288. HL: Don’t worry about it, they do this to everybody who has beaten them in a debate.

    WHAT DEBATE????

    Neither of your two God Damn retards have offered a single damn bit of data to back up a single fucking statement you have made!

    You make a statement, and then when we disagree, you move on!

    BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!!!

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  289. Yes, we both have. You have forgotten them in your lame simpleton defense mechanism of forgetting your defeats.

    Whoa and I don’t accept arguments from blasphemers. I have standards. I will no longer respond to any of your arguments.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  290. Please please please link us to these pages….

    Here and here. Consider them indexes, and refer to the citations therein.

    Pablo (99243e)

  291. and not the ‘wmd’ or the ’smoking mushroom clouds’ that have obviously been proven to be lies.

    You mean you missed the DoD reports about the tons of chemical and nerve agents they have found, or the tons of Yellow Cake the military has found?

    Shocking.

    There were 23 separate points in the authorization. you choose to ignore 22 of them. That’s fine.

    It just proves what a total and complete retard you are.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  292. and not the ‘wmd’ or the ’smoking mushroom clouds’ that have obviously been proven to be lies.

    Lies? Whose lies, truthnjustice? Do tell.

    Pablo (99243e)

  293. Don’t sell me that crap, Pablo. You tell me why it was okay that the reasons the American public were told we were attacking Iraq were lies. I anxiously await your reply.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  294. http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/

    There you go. There is a list of 10 of them. Go ahead and start with a reason it was okay to lie about #1 then continue on through 10.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  295. I have standards

    What, the guy has to be more than seven inches long?

    Because you sure as hell haven’t shown a bit of these “standards” in any prior debate you’ve hard thus far, moron.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  296. Don’t sell me that crap, Pablo.

    You asked the question, and I gave you the answer. If you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question.

    You tell me why it was okay that the reasons the American public were told we were attacking Iraq were lies.

    Answer my question: Whose lies, truthnjustice?

    Pablo (99243e)

  297. Well, Pablo. Look at the list. Whoever authored and/or perpetrated each of those lies would be the person to whom I am referring. Eh?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  298. “The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons.”

    That isn’t a statement of existing fact, that is an expression of policy. It is not a lie, it is a truthful statement of intent. See also, “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.”,
    “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”, “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”, “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”, etc… Source.

    None of these are lies.

    Pablo (99243e)

  299. Look at the list. Whoever authored and/or perpetrated each of those lies would be the person to whom I am referring. Eh?

    Wow. 10 items that focus on exactly ONE – at best 2 – of the reasons given to Congress in the Authorization for Use joint resolution.

    It’s fascinating, really… You’re retarded, but are completely unaware of it.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  300. #1. Here’s the intelligence.

    “More than ten years of sanctions and the loss of much of Iraq’s physical nuclear infrastructure under IAEA oversight have not diminished Saddam’s interest in acquiring or developing nuclear weapons. Iraq’s efforts to procure tens of thousands of proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes were of significant concern. All intelligence experts agreed that Iraq remained intent on acquiring nuclear weapons and that these tubes, if modified, could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program.”

    You can criticize it all you like, but you cannot say that the faithful use of it by those whose use it is intended for are lying. Well, you can, because you’re a nutter. And a liar. But decent, rational people wouldn’t.

    #2. Ah, the infamous 16 words. How many times does this have to be debunked?

    That’s enough for now. I’m not debunking every lefty lie about “lies” to entertain this particular moonbat. If you’ve got a particular “lie” you like to beat us up with, please elucidate it.

    Pablo (99243e)

  301. I think he just misses Saddam, Scott. What those stupid brown people need is a nice iron bootheel on their throats. Aren’t progressives lovely?

    Pablo (99243e)

  302. Surreal. The Troll Twins are actually claiming that they…debate?

    Oh, my.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  303. Troll #1 actually wrote this morning, past the hangover:


    “…I will no longer respond to any of your arguments…”

    If only!

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  304. I notice that Christopher Scheer over at alternet doesn’t link to anything to substantiate his declarations other than, in one instance, a link to…uh…alternet. Also, his rebuttals to #8 and #9 are outright lies. The rebuttal to #6 doesn’t actually rebut it. Same with #7. That is a big steamy pile of crap. Boring.

    Pablo (99243e)

  305. Notice that TMJ is repeating arguments he lost over and over again, over the months. TMJ repeats long debunked myths as though they were fresh arguments of a factual nature.

    The dishonesty is rather patent.

    SPQR (72771e)

  306. Is it true? Has TMJ finally decided to shut up?

    steve miller (af221d)

  307. Wow. 10 items that focus on exactly ONE – at best 2 – of the reasons given to Congress in the Authorization for Use joint resolution.

    Note that they completely ignore the thrust of UN Res 1441, and Saddam’s way out therein, which he declined to exercise.

    Pablo (99243e)

  308. Feelings, not facts. Republicans are bad. Democrats are good. It all flows from that mind set.

    There are lots of things that Republicans do that upset the conservatives among us. Right?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  309. That’s enough for now. I’m not debunking every lefty lie about “lies” to entertain this particular moonbat. If you’ve got a particular “lie” you like to beat us up with, please elucidate it.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t worry about proving my case to go to war… I mean I guess it is not that important.

    *death toll rises*

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  310. I think tnj has redefined the word “lie” to suit his personal needs.

    Not unusual, but as intellectually dishonest as the rest of his alleged “arguments.”

    I think he must have been too young to have argued these points the first time around if he is bringing up this GARBAGE de novo at this date.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  311. Troll #1 actually wrote this morning, past the hangover:

    “…I will no longer respond to any of your arguments…”

    If only!

    Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 7:18 am

    EB- Can’t you read? Look closer at my statement; it was made to one particular individual. I also teach SAT preparation classes, so I may be able to help you with reading comprehension.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  312. book store = comic book stand

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  313. Oh, dear God. You probably do teach SAT prep courses!

    Since I teach college, that explains a great deal about the freshmen. And not in a way that compliments you at all.

    I doubt it anyway. You are just a fraud.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  314. And did I mention the whole “troll” thing?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  315. hahahhaha. I’m sure you do EB. If you type it enough then maybe it will come true. I can mail you a few pennies to drop into the fountain at the mall. I’m sure you spend a lot of time there checking out new video games.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  316. Why don’t tnj and HL post comments at the same time?

    Was Levi been sending love notes to Patterico and DRJ asking to be reinstated? Does the ISP match either of the above commenters? HL sounds like a Levi name choice with a changed writing style, but the content is the same.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  317. You who this character reminds me of, daley?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEqyYUGk4I

    But without the charm.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  318. You bet, troll. The difference is that I actually am a college professor. It’s your story that keeps changing.

    And yeah, Daley, I think you are correct.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  319. Eric – I think of the two trolls more of as a ren and stimpy tag team routine.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  320. This conversation seems to have strayed from the underlying topic, which is that the wingnuts have totally screwed themselves with their accusations of “scandal” over Obama’s relationship with Blagojevich.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  321. You bet, troll. The difference is that I actually am a college professor. It’s your story that keeps changing.

    Do you have documentation to prove this or are you going to make (yet another) this assertion with no actual evidence. I have had the same back story since I began posting (or at least since dimwits like you have attempted to disprove my arguments by using ad hominem (and inaccurate ad hominem at that).

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  322. Yeah, I wouldn’t worry about proving my case to go to war… I mean I guess it is not that important.

    Teaching you history is not that important. Because you’ll forget it all by tomorrow the time you finish reading it anyway. I note that I’ve dismantled 6 of the 10 “lies” (and that was just the obvious stuff…again, you’re not really worth the effort to go through the list) and I also note that you have exactly no rebuttal. You also cannot elucidate an original thought as to these “lies” you’re decrying, but yet can’t help whipping that dead horse.

    Fail.

    Pablo (99243e)

  323. I see Hypocritical Leftist missed the news today.

    SPQR (72771e)

  324. tomorrow

    Stupid HTML.

    Pablo (99243e)

  325. Good call, daley!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO-_n0NlmA

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  326. Wow.

    “Do you have documentation to prove this or are you going to make (yet another) this assertion with no actual evidence. “

    Just wow.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  327. Hey! Ren and Stimpy were funny.

    Pablo (99243e)

  328. Actually, you know what, trollboy?

    Patterico has my genuine contacts and background. He knows where I am a college professor, what I teach, and so forth.

    Why don’t you send him your bona fides via e-mail? All of the claims you have made, incidentally. As I say, I think you are a slacker undergrad out to feel all tough over the internet.

    But unlike you, I can admit when I am wrong.

    So send it in to Patterico, who is 100% reliable, and can confirm that you are who you say you are.

    If you do, great.

    If not…well…no real surprise.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  329. You can just tell me where you teach now and we won’t need the middle man.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  330. You first, troll. But I am not surprised you won’t write to Patterico.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  331. Credentials aside, TMJ’s credibility is destroyed by his own writings.

    SPQR (72771e)

  332. But I am not surprised you won’t write to Patterico.

    That sentence is grammatically flawed, genius. As a college professor I believe you should be proud of the University (non-accredited junior college) for which you work.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  333. Still waiting for you to write to Patterico.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  334. Exactly. The shoe does not feel so good on the other foot.

    I think your suggestion is an exercise in stupidity. I don’t know patterico, so why would I trust him with my information?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  335. Daley, TnJ and HL are the “Scrapiron” George Gdatski and Kenny (?), the lovable losers wrestlers of the Midwest circuit before the WWF took off.

    I’ll say TnJ may be an English prof or grad student at some backwater college that can’t afford competant staff.

    PCD (7fe637)

  336. TMJ is a fuckin’ liar. Thanks, EB, for having that proven so elegantly.

    JD (72d323)

  337. I’ll say TnJ may be an English prof or grad student at some backwater college that can’t afford competant staff.

    Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 9:43 am

    Very creative, PCD, to repeat an almost identical claim I had just made against EB. I guess we’re all supposed to clap now because you are the ‘fat kid’ underdog who had made an effort (albeit a lackluster one).

    *clap clap clap*

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  338. I don’t know patterico, so why would I trust him with my information?

    S’ok. He could just look up your IP and we can figure out where you work from there…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  339. But I do think it is cute how it is trying to goad you into putting your information out there in the public sphere. Since it has shown no history of good faithed behavior, and has clearly demonstrated a history of overtly bad faithed behavior, it is laughable to think that it would follow through, or use that information in any productive or meaningful way. It really seems to be amping up teh krazy.

    JD (72d323)

  340. This is all just too funny…
    HL reminds me of one of our old trolls who claimed to be married with children, and the proprietor of a hugely successful import/export entersprise who spent half of his time travelling to meet clients, both foreign and domestic, and when he wasn’t travelling he was on the golf course; but, who didn’t have a clue about many points of foreign trade, or much of anything else, for that matter.

    tnj is just another juvenile pest.
    We used to label them “flies”, since all they seemed to be able to do was to eat, shit, and bother people.
    tnj, as to your plagerism…that is an issue you have with the “other” tnj, is it not?

    Another Drew (95ea9a)

  341. That village that is missing its idiot is still looking for you, TMJ. Why don’t you just go back?

    JD (72d323)

  342. Probably the best cap on TMJ’s “reputation” was when he linked to a piece on Lew Rockwell’s website to support his claim of what a tyrant George W. Bush is.

    That was definitely the masterpiece.

    SPQR (72771e)

  343. TnJ, I’ve run in to jerks like you so many times. First off, they were the dishonest staff at colleges who forced their students to buy their authored books and workbooks at inflated prices to provide themselves a fat profit over and above their salary.

    I also dealt with a grad student who pimped himself on the old Fox News boards about a story on how Bubba couldn’t have stained Lewinsky’s blue dress. Yes, that disreputable NBC/CNBC/MSNBC ran with the jerk until the blue dress surfaced and the DNA test confirmed it was Bubba’s.

    You are just like these jerks. You are a boil on the posterior of society. Boils like you need to be lanced.

    PCD (7fe637)

  344. This is the clown that called everyone homophobic racist clowns in one of its first comments, and is shocked that it has been treated in the same manner which it asked to be treated from that point on.

    JD (72d323)

  345. Yeah, that was funny, JD. Three bits of serious information.

    1. There are indeed crazy people on the internet. Folks in the educational business (putting aside the very strong chance that TMJ is NOT a high school teacher, let alone a degree holder in engineering) should be VERY careful about publicizing their “true name” (to borrow from Vernor Vinge). I personally have had trolls try to cause me trouble at work, by calling administration people at my institution and making bizarre claims. So a pseudonym is wise.

    Academia on any level is not a very open place. Have a look at http://www.thefire.org to see what I mean.

    So if TMJ actually is a teacher, unlikely as that is, he is very smart NOT to publicize his actual contact information. I honestly don’t think anyone here would cause him trouble at work, but as I say, it has happened to me on other blogs.

    2. Patterico is 100% reliable. I trust him completely, and anyone who disagrees with his commitment to protecting his posters would need to show me evidence to the contrary. My own experience argues that he is extremely ethical and responsible…particularly when I do not agree with him. That is the most important measure of the worth of someone, I think.

    3. It is interesting to see the parallels between word choice used by specific trolls who have recently been banned. Maybe TMJ is a new one. Maybe a “regifted” troll.

    But a troll he/she/it is, regardless.

    Same song, different verse.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  346. This is the clown that called everyone homophobic racist clowns in one of its first comments, and is shocked that it has been treated in the same manner which it asked to be treated from that point on.

    Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:10 am

    I didn’t call you racist. Please do not put words in my mouth. If you’re going to attribute something to me I would strongly implore you to get it right.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  347. Bull fucking shit, you did not call us racists. Just this week, you had the temerity to say that sometime after Lincoln, Republicans decided that African Americans no longer deserved basic human rights. If there was ever a more perfect example of your abject perfidy and dishonesty, I do not think this one could be surpassed. You are as mendoucheous as they come.

    JD (72d323)

  348. I would strongly implore you to remove your head from your ass, but history has shown that you are comfortable in that position.

    JD (72d323)

  349. PCD (and all others):

    You are really having trouble grasping this. I will say this one last time, so that we are perfectly clear. After this one time, I refuse to correct you any more.

    I am NOT a college professor.

    Yo no soy un profesor colegial.
    Je ne suis pas un professeur de collège.
    Ich bin kein Hochschulprofessor.
    Non sono un professore di università.
    Ik ben geen universiteitsprofessor.
    Я не профессор колледжа.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  350. TMJ is immune to cognitive dissonance. Otherwise, its head would have assploded after typing #347.

    JD (72d323)

  351. Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:19 am

    You’re right, I did say that. But, based on the Republican definition of racism, denying someone basic human rights does not qualify.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  352. I am NOT a college professor.

    Duh. Of that there was no doubt.

    JD (72d323)

  353. based on the Republican definition of racism, denying someone basic human rights does not qualify

    I am not going down the rabbit hole on this one. You lied about that, there is no basis in fact for what you said. It is a picture perfect example of Leftist claims of Republican racism that you leveled against every Republican, not just me. And now you are trying to change historical meanings of words to avoid the outrageous charges that you made.

    You, ma’am, are a liar. A perfidous mendoucheous liar. Of the highest order.

    JD (72d323)

  354. But, it does know how to use internet translation websites…
    But, why just old, dead European languages?
    Does it have no respect for our brothers from the Orient, South Asia, the Middle-East, or Africa?
    Who’s being the Racist now?

    Another Drew (95ea9a)

  355. This is better, AD:

    Người này là một kẻ kích động xấu-mannered

    Yeah, it is Internet based, but it is still true. And not Eurocentric.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  356. Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 10:42 am
    Vietnamese?

    Another Drew (95ea9a)

  357. Yes

    JD (72d323)

  358. And not terribly good Vietnamese, sadly. Best I could do.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  359. TnJ, my how nasty you are when you are backed into a corner of your own creation!

    PCD (7fe637)

  360. PCD, either it is a troll, in which case business as usual.

    But if it is genuinely a high school teacher? Truly shameful.

    So I rather hope it is just a troll.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  361. Eric,

    If TnJ isn’t some loser posting from his Mother’s basement, but some teacher at some institution, TnJ’s conduct indicts the profession.

    Eric, sometime, I’d be interested in hearing how one can convert their curiosity about sciences like Genetics into a job without going back through the Undergrad mill. You sound like you’d have some valuable input.

    PCD (7fe637)

  362. I hate the union card aspect of the academic business. I don’t know your background, PCD, or your goals.

    If you have something like a business or engineering background, the Keck Graduate Institute (part of the Claremont Colleges in SoCal) has a remarkable MBA program that mixes engineering, business, and biotech.

    I love genetics, since it was my training.

    Let me know more about your interests, if you care to. I’ll help how I can.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  363. Referring to my #323 to truthnjustice:

    I note that I’ve dismantled 6 of the 10 “lies” (and that was just the obvious stuff…again, you’re not really worth the effort to go through the list) and I also note that you have exactly no rebuttal.

    2 hours and 40 comments later, and nothing has changed. This is a pretty lousy troll.

    Pablo (99243e)

  364. PCD, please keep in mind that most of the true giants in genetics and molecular biology were not actually trained in biology. They were actually physicists: Max Delbruck, Matt Meselson, Carl Woese, The list is quite long.

    So it isn’t a closed shop. A lot of folks come into genetics these days from mathematics (via bioinformatics).

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  365. 365, Eric, it is my daughter asking. She’s a USC grad in the cinematic arts. Until she got the famous postcard, she had been thinking of pursuing the hard sciences like Anthropology, Paleontology, and Archeology. The kid had a 1550 SAT and 33 ACT. She’s reading Genitics books FOR FUN now!

    PCD (7fe637)

  366. She’s reading Genitics books FOR FUN now!

    So she’s insane, is what you’re telling us… :)

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  367. I got a 1520 SAT and could not understand a genetics book to save my life. 😉

    JD (c29a13)

  368. Those 30 points REALLY make a difference. :)

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  369. No shit. 1520 gets you to Maxim. 30 more points gets you to genetics.

    JD (c29a13)

  370. Scott, I’m the one that is insane, not her. I sheltered her too much as a child.

    Gee, I feel like a cretin with you guys. I was only a 1330 SAT and a 31 ACT. I forget what my ASVAB was, but the recruiter accused me of cheating.

    PCD (7fe637)

  371. My ASVAB sure a female Marine Corporal when I was at MEPS Chicago… Her and two Privates were trying to harass me and my buddy who were alone in the commissary having a soda as we waiting for the swearing in ceremony…

    We were, or course, going into the Navy, so I guess she felt compelled… Sadly, she picked ASVAB score to decide things. My buddy had gotten into the 95th percentile… She then demanded *I* tell her mine…

    99th percentile.

    Never did find out her’s. The speed with which she and her flunkies made it outta there, I suspect it was less. :)

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  372. My ASVAB got me into the Defense Language Institute.

    JD (c29a13)

  373. They keep changing the SAT, so that scores in the 60s are actually higher than the ones in the 70s, etc.

    They are just numbers. And trust me, I have met absolute blithering idiots (who literally have tried to electrocute themselves in my lab) with very high SAT or ACT scores.

    Which reminds me: why do we call it “common” sense? It sure doesn’t seem common to me.

    Let me know what your daughter is reading, genetics wise. If she wants to change fields, there are ways involving M.S. degrees. I know some folks at Cal State Northridge, which has a great Genetic Counseling program.

    The point is that students (well, everyone) convinces themselves that actions they take completely close doors. Not always true.

    I remember a woman I met in graduate school. She was a technician in the lab next door. She had been a Dance major at UCLA. Became an “exotic dancer” (and she was very assertive about that job as not being a hooker). Because she didn’t get married, didn’t have children, and didn’t have a drug habit (the 80s, remember), she had saved up quite a bit of money. She knew that she couldn’t be an exotic dancer forever, having just hit 30.

    She wanted to become a physician. No science classes, at all, since high school. So, she worked as a tech (as she told me, she liked to keep busy), and took classes two at a time at San Jose State. Got her premed requirements in. Applied to medical schools.

    Mind you, I don’t know what she wrote for her personal statement. I didn’t ask. She was more than a little scary in her…directness.

    Anyway, she got into an osteopathic medical school, and is currently an experienced and well respected emergency room physician.

    Getting back to the point, PCD: if your daughter wants to change fields, she can. It just depends on how much she wants to make it happen.

    Best regards,

    EB

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  374. Not bad. I coulda been a Navy Nuke, had I not decided around week 5 that the military might not be for me.

    Gimme a break. I’d just freaking turned 20… By that, I mean I was at bootcamp when I turned 20.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  375. JD – did you end up going to DLI? I’m hoping to take the DLAB after BCT. I’m doing 37F Psyops Army Reserve. Shipping soon!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  376. Eric – You have some interesting people in your orbit.

    JD (c29a13)

  377. I’m pretty sure tnj/HL don’t have ASVAB scores.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  378. Maybe PSATs?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  379. 375, Scott, I signed up for Navy Nuke and Subservice. 2 things killed that for me. 1. I had Rheumatic Fever in 1960. 2. I’m color blind in the Red-Green spectrum.

    If I could have gotten a waiver for #1 (a Lt. Cmdr Dr. in the Navy Reserve was willing to give it to me), I could have gone to sonar school. My hearing was good to 15000+ cycles, my Morse wasn’t bad either. (I know, that’s radio, but that was in demand at the time, too.)

    PCD (7fe637)

  380. Maybe PSATs?

    Periodic urine tests?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  381. Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 12:41 pm

    Actually, we agree on something. As a tutor I can tell you we basically tell the students that the SAT measures how well you take the SAT and nothing else. While it does take a certain specialized test-taking ability (and certainly some intelligence) to achieve a higher score, with enough time I can raise a student’s score by at least 200 points.

    I am not sure how they did the scores in the 60s, but there has not been any change in the frequency of scores of the SAT since I have been tutoring. It is a strict bell-curve norm-based exam centered at 500 points per section, yielding a median of 1500 on today’s exam (3 sections).

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  382. A BIO…(update)…
    truthnjustice
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Mechanical Engineer;
    Bookstore owner;
    Plagiarist;
    SAT tutor.

    Another Drew (83402d)

  383. For anyone who is interested:

    http://ftp.ets.org/pub/res/researcher/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf

    Not that I trust ETS very much. But still.

    Short version: if you took the SATs prior to about 1990, you should add 100 points to your score (70 verbal, 30 math) to see how you compare to today’s scores.

    Not that it matters, frankly.

    They have recentered several times in the recent past.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  384. A bio:

    Another Drew
    Tax cheat.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  385. AD, I think you left off “Slanderer”.

    SPQR (72771e)

  386. Ah yes, thank you.

    A bio:
    Another Drew

    Tax cheat
    Slanderer
    General POS

    SPQR
    Mussolini adorer

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  387. A BIO…(updateX2)…
    truthnjustice aka liesntyranny:
    Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
    Mechanical Engineer;
    Bookstore owner (denied by subject w/o substantiating data);
    Plagiarist – uses the same Net handle as another;
    SAT tutor;
    Slanderer.

    Another Drew (83402d)

  388. How am I supposed to prove that I don’t own a book store to a stranger online?

    This is why I love you in the way that George loves Lennie in ‘Of Mice and Men’. You are just a big oaf who loves to pet soft things. Go on and pet them… sail on.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  389. A petting reference…interesting. It has apparently run out of Jergens.

    Dmac (e30284)

  390. It puts on the lotion or it gets the hose again.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  391. Come on guys, can’t you give a Wanker a break?

    Another Drew (83402d)

  392. AD, uh no, I don’t give breaks to wankers that call me a fascist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  393. Well, I guess that is the marked difference between a black-hearted member of the VRWC, and a compassionate, caring member of the multi-culti world:
    We of the Right have standards!

    Another Drew (83402d)

  394. I see that TMJ is still up to the same mendoucheous behavior as always …

    JD (037526)

  395. I note that I’ve dismantled 6 of the 10 “lies” (and that was just the obvious stuff…again, you’re not really worth the effort to go through the list) and I also note that you have exactly no rebuttal.

    Nine hours, 73 comments later and still truthnjustice has nothing to say, aside from insulting people. You suck, troll. Shouldn’t you be posting at Fark or something?

    Pablo (99243e)

  396. You people certainly spend enough time jerking each other off, don’t you?

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  397. And then there’s HL with his trademark trenchant commentary. Back to Democratic Underground with you.

    Pablo (99243e)

  398. That is not even good trollery, HL. You are a hack of a troll. How sad.

    JD (037526)

  399. I see that TMJ is still up to the same mendoucheous behavior as always …

    Well, you call someone else (HL) a hack when you can’t come up with a new insult? That insult is not really that clever. It is dumb, and not actually a word. Since it isn’t a word I choose to give it my own definition. From now on mendoucheous means clever, charming, and very handsome, and, due to a glitch in language, can never be used in a sarcastic way.

    Thanks for the compliment, Junior Detective!

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  400. From now on mendoucheous means clever, charming, and very handsome, and, due to a glitch in language, can never be used in a sarcastic way.

    Typical leftist. Simply redefine any words you don’t like, even ones that don’t exist, because in real time you would never be described as clever, charming, and very handsome.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  401. You do not need to be clever when stating a fact. A hack is a hack. No need to embellish. You are a liar and a fraud. An abject unapologetic liar. A twatwaffle. A barking moonbat. But most of all, you are a sad pathetic little person.

    JD (037526)

  402. Paul – I have often said that Leftist dictionaries come without the actual definitions, so they can make shit up as they go along.

    JD (037526)

  403. Paul: One cannot redefine words that have no definition. You don’t know what the prefix re- means. Just like a conservacrazy to assume without looking things up.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  404. TMJ – We will keep it simp-le. One syl-la-ble words so you can un-der-stand it. You are a li-ar. A sad pa-thet-ic li-ar.

    JD (037526)

  405. That was a poor attempt to cover for your silly friend. But, you need help at times too, so I understand why you are helping him out.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  406. You are a liar.

    JD (037526)

  407. Good comeback.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  408. Stop slurping so loud, fellas. You’ll disturb the horses.

    Horrible Leftist (d9762f)

  409. You’ll disturb the horses.

    Nah, it’s ok…

    Those two can’t post here anymore…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  410. Nine hours, 73 comments later and still truthnjustice has nothing to say, aside from insulting people. You suck, troll. Shouldn’t you be posting at Fark or something?

    Holy cow! Truthnjustice had things to do on a Sunday! Someone call the cops!

    I heartily disagree that you tore apart any of the 10 lies, let alone six of them.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  411. Holy cow! Truthnjustice had things to do on a Sunday!

    You were posting right along, you clown. You’ve now made 16 comments on this thread since my #323. And your excuse is that you were busy? Doing what, posting comments on this thread?

    And here you are now, sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming “LA LA LA LA LA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!” (known in truthnjustice-speak as “hearty disagreement”) instead of rebutting anything in #299, 301 or 305.

    You suck at this, troll.

    Pablo (99243e)

  412. I heartily disagree that you tore apart any of the 10 lies, let alone six of them.

    At least we agree that Scheer is a liar.

    Pablo (99243e)

  413. I don’t have time to read through your drivel. Summarize your six ‘disagreements’ here and I’ll look them over, on my own time.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  414. I don’t have time to read through your drivel.

    Lazy punk.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  415. Whiskey for my friends and Beer for my horses!

    PCD (7fe637)

  416. One cannot redefine words that have no definition.

    Doing something and denying it doesn;t make it any less true, buddy boy.


    You don’t know what the prefix re- means.

    JD used the term long before you showed up. You hijacked it like you do comment threads; typical.

    Just like a conservacrazy to assume without looking things up.

    That’s rich coming from a commenter who never backs up radical assertions with any evidence.

    Pablo’s right; you suck at this.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  417. This one is Hall of Fame material, and not in a good way.

    Pablo (99243e)

  418. Comment by Paul (creator of “Staunch Brayer”) — 12/24/2008 @ 6:47 am

    Coming from you, that is a compliment.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  419. Summarize your six ‘disagreements’ here and I’ll look them over, on my own time.

    Comments 299, 301 and 305, troll. Put up or shut up.

    Pablo (99243e)

  420. Pablo – It’s racist, homophobic and anti-semitic to ask tnj to defend his baseless assertions.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  421. Hey, daley: it is “off to the homestead.” Does that suggest anything to you?

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  422. And Pablo, this is similar to his irritation that people would doubt who he is…followed by a refusal to prove it to Patterico while maintaining his anonymity. Then insisting that other people need to prove who they are.

    It’s just a juvenile game.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  423. “Does that suggest anything to you?”

    25 or under.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  424. I still think a student. And I think it posts here under more than one name.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  425. I have said it before and I will say it again: just because you wish something were untrue that doesn’t mean it is.

    Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:07 pm

    Which is what exactly?

    Gerald A (adb85a)

  426. And remember that this is the cat who pokes fun at double negatives.

    Eric Blair (e906af)

  427. Gerald – It was going for the inverse of the idea that we often claim that the Left simply wishes things to be true, and by stating it over and over and over again, it becomes true, in their minds. At any rate, it is a foolish way to go through life.

    JD (e96920)

  428. Eric – Obviously doesn’t live far from the nest. That’s nice.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  429. Yep. That is hardly how a former bookstore owner, SAT prep boffin, and master teacher with extensive experience lives.

    A student. Occam’s Razor suggests a student. I could be wrong, of course. But if I am, the truth might be still sadder.

    Eric Blair (e906af)


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