Fun with Chicago Politics
[Guest post by DRJ]
The AP reports Obama Chief of Staff-designate Rahm Emanuel and Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich are so close that the only telephone calls Blagojevich regularly takes come from Emanuel. The AP also adds this juicy gossip:
“Emanuel and Obama have remained silent about what, if anything, Emanuel knew of the governor’s alleged efforts to peddle Obama’s vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder.
Emanuel did contact the governor’s office about the appointment, and left Blagojevich with the impression that he was pushing Valerie Jarrett, a close Obama friend, so he wouldn’t have to compete with her in the White House for Obama’s attention, said a source close to Blagojevich. The source requested anonymity because the person were not authorized to talk about the governor’s discussions regarding the vacancy.
It was not clear whether Blagojevich inferred Emanuel’s motive for advocating Jarrett, or whether Emanuel discussed the appointment with Blagojevich directly or with John Harris, the governor’s then-chief of staff who also is charged in the case, according to the source.”
In response, Emanuel’s defenders are using the “He’s just a guy in my neighborhood” defense — a defense made famous by Barack Obama as he described his relationship with Bill Ayers:
“Emanuel’s defenders say he is hardly an ally of Blagojevich.
“They were in different worlds personally and politically,” said Peter Giangreco, a political consultant on Blagojevich’s 1996 congressional campaign and his two gubernatorial races. “They only dealt with each other because they occupied the same political geography.”
However, the AP isn’t completely swallowing the neighborhood defense:
“But there was more to their relationship than a polite acquaintance. The two share a political past, rooted on Chicago’s North Side, and a friendly relationship — although not a close friendship — that made Emanuel the obvious choice to push Obama’s preferences to fill his vacant Senate seat, current and former Blagojevich aides said.
They at times joined forces politically, like in 2005 to promote importing prescription drugs from Canada and in 2006 to push for an increase in the state’s minimum wage. Blagojevich, his aides say, wasn’t shy about seeking the help of Emanuel, referred to in a 2006 Tribune article as his “Washington-based mentor.”
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Emanuel has described himself as a one-time adviser to Blagojevich. David Wilhelm, one of Emanuel’s close friends who worked with him in the Clinton White House, informally assisted on that campaign for Blagojevich.Emanuel, who has declined to comment since Blagojevich’s arrest, told The New Yorker magazine over the summer that he, Wilhelm and Obama met once a week during the 2002 race to plot campaign strategy for Blagojevich. Wilhelm has said Emanuel overstated the group’s role.
Also, Emanuel, Blagojevich and Obama all have hired David Axelrod, the Chicago political consultant who helped engineer Obama’s presidential victory. Axelrod helped Blagojevich in 1996 and Emanuel in 2002.”
It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp. Unlike the election, maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.
– DRJ
maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.
Only in a Texas dream!
or
Pick any state, but in your dreams will be the constant.
Comment by TC — 12/20/2008 @ 1:39 pm
They never learn – tell the entire story immediately, lest you get hoisted on your own petard. Hope and Change means obfuscate, run from the TV cameras, and then whine about being so mistreated when you refuse to answer any legitimate questions regarding the matter.
Comment by Dmac — 12/20/2008 @ 1:42 pm
This is just a distraction. Nobody involved in Obama’s administration is close to Governor Whathisname, you know, the guy with the funny name that they all campaigned for but forgot about.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 1:44 pm
Hey, folks.
It just depends on the meaning of the word “is,” remember?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 1:48 pm
Emanuel is part & parcel of the machine, as is Obama. The president-elect was told to appoint Emanuel CoS. The American public is now going to become well-versed in what Illinois (and Chicago in particular) residents have known for years: you HAVE to be corrupt in order to play the political game there.
Comment by Icy Texan — 12/20/2008 @ 1:48 pm
What is “inexcusable corruption” for folks with the dreaded “R” after their names becomes “necessary compromises and realpolitik in the 21st Century” for That Other Party.
You watch: if Obama fires all the attorneys as he enters office, it will be portrayed quite differently than when GW Bush did it.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 1:56 pm
If? IF???!!!
When.
Comment by Icy Texan — 12/20/2008 @ 1:59 pm
It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp.
A “scandal” apparently no longer requires wrongdoing or false statements. Hillary lying about having no part in sacking the White House travel office staff was a scandal.
Comment by steve — 12/20/2008 @ 2:39 pm
Was it, steve? A scandal, that is? Didn’t seem to trip her up much.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 2:43 pm
Merry Christmas.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/16/us/politics/16legal.html
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 2:46 pm
To the tune of “Spam”:
Repeat as needed.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 2:51 pm
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 1:56 pm
Acually, it was Clinton that fired all of the USA’s upon taking office, to hardly a peep.
GW fired 22, or was it 23, USA’s that he appointed to their positions, and all Hell broke loose.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/20/2008 @ 3:07 pm
Ah, but you see AD, that was different.
Sigh.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 3:09 pm
We do live in interesting times.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/20/2008 @ 3:11 pm
I believe that is the “Chinese Curse” is it not?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 3:12 pm
Confucian, actually.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/20/2008 @ 3:13 pm
The NYT article: The masthead said New York Times, but it reads like a Chicago-base promotional pamphlet.
Comment by m — 12/20/2008 @ 3:20 pm
and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp.
Its a fluid definition depending on who its assignment is advantageous to at any given time.
Dmac, being in Chicago, tell us what the average Chicagoan thinks of this latest mess, if this raises any doubts re Obama, etc. It would seem the citizens of the city would have a more pointed if not exasperated pov, or is there just denial…or business as usual?
Comment by Dana — 12/20/2008 @ 3:21 pm
We’re inside a month from the first “failed presidency” tagline.
Smart money is on The Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk).
Comment by steve — 12/20/2008 @ 3:55 pm
Get.
Lives.
People.
I may be a troll (actually, I am not… wtf is a troll?), but I have not been wasting my existence on this f-ing site. Go out with your wives/significant others, raise your kids, do charity work. For heaven’s sake, get some lives. You don’t need to (troll) sit on this site 24/7 just to respond with ‘troll’ (creative) 14 seconds after I post something. Let’s examine why you find me so objectionable: it is simple. You can’t handle the fact that your worlds don’t fit into the perfect little online bout of good vs. evil. You can’t stand that your personal views about where the country is headed (hopefully out of the toilet that Dubya has dropped us into) don’t coincide with the majority of those who wish us out of it. You can’t handle that the elections prove that your boys weren’t up to the task at any level of government. You can’t handle that the days of war on the lower class (they are fat and lazy, yeah, we get it… we get it) are over. And you lost. You don’t get it. And the worst part about those who don’t get it, is that they don’t even understand that they don’t get it. You never will. You’re just going to sit at your keyboard, (trolling) sobbing and complaining to these other people who just don’t get it. It is not going to help. Get some fresh air. Talk to other people. Live your live. Only then will you get it, ‘my friends’.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 3:56 pm
I love being able to say “I told you so.” Blago’s lawyers are – in effect -arguing that no crime has been committed.
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Comment by Moneyrunner — 12/20/2008 @ 4:06 pm
Chicago machine politics are dirty, and the politicians that are covered in the filth of money and greed. Obama will posture and postulate about things there, but he’s up to his eyeballs in “pay to play” and pork to his friends and contributors. It doesn’t help that his ideas of “hope” and “change” involve many of the Clinton’s cronies, that “have seen the light of the messiah”.
There’s more filth and trash on “the Messiah”…it’s out there, just need to keep digging to find it…
Comment by fmfnavydoc — 12/20/2008 @ 4:12 pm
FTFY.
Seriously, I realize it’s a lefty article of faith that Republicans and conservatives “hate the poor”, but you really should look at the plight of the poor in areas that have been Democrat-controlled. Good Lord, look at what’s happened to Detroit!
Although, I guess it could be said that Democrats “love the poor” based on their love of policies that impoverish people — more of them to love, I guess!
Comment by Rob Crawford — 12/20/2008 @ 4:18 pm
Yes, the politics in Chicago are corrupt, and yes, Blago and Emanuel talked. To quote Cheney: “So?”
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 4:35 pm
Fred Barnes today on “Beltway Boys” said he is now on Blago’s side in this. He thinks it is all talk and they may have trouble proving a crime. That being the case, Blago is not going anywhere and the frantic turmoil is all about forestalling a special election which Republicans could win. Barnes’ prediction is that the seat will be empty for months and a special election is now a real possibility.
Minnesota should fill the Senate seat there with a special election as well. There was a third party candidate in that one and there is no majority; only a plurality.
Comment by Mike K — 12/20/2008 @ 4:36 pm
steve #8:
I suspect you may not be familiar with the concept of “dogging” someone, as in “dogging someone’s heels.” It means following someone closely. So when I said scandal is dogging the Obama Administration, I was saying scandal is following it closely. I think that’s correct. The Blagojevich matter is a scandal and, as the article shows, Blagojevich is close to Rahm Emanuel.
Comment by DRJ — 12/20/2008 @ 4:44 pm
Mike K, the Republican tricks won’t work in Minnesota. It’ll take a while, because the Minnesotans are nothing if not thorough, but they’ll count all of the votes — once — and whoever gets the most votes will be that state’s senator.
Looks to me like it’ll be Franken, but if a fair and thorough process gives it to Coleman, fine. What won’t happen there is for votes to remain uncounted. It’s not how Minnesota works.
Also, Coleman is up to his neck in corruption, so even if he manages to win his recount he’ll be gone soon enough. You do notice, do you not, that he’s just tapped into his campaign funds to hire a high-priced defense lawyer.
It’s only a matter of time. Coleman’s going to wind up in Club Fed.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 4:46 pm
The Blagojevich matter is a scandal and, as the article shows, Blagojevich is close to Rahm Emanuel.
There is no evidence whatsoever the Emanuel is involved in any wrongdoing that Blagojevich might have committed. When it all comes out, I bet Emanuel will show up as having informed the FBI of Blago’s corruption.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 4:49 pm
There’s no evidence at all yet, Horrible Leftist, so the facts can still go either way.
Comment by DRJ — 12/20/2008 @ 4:53 pm
That’s true enough, DRJ. If the wingnuts would wait until they had any facts before making their claims, I might even develop a certain grudging respect for them.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 5:00 pm
I notice the paucity of links documenting the above accusations of perfidy in MN.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/20/2008 @ 5:00 pm
And at that exact moment, pigs will fly like unicorns.
Comment by Old Coot — 12/20/2008 @ 5:01 pm
To answer the question raised above regarding Chicago and if anyone here has seen the light concerning Blago, BO and political corruption, the answer in short is no. Blago is probably done as far as gov is concerned even if he fills out his term which ends in 2010. It is highly unlikely he will be reelected. But remember it was the good people of Illinois that elected Blago in the first place and continue to elect Dick Durbin, Todd Stroger and other incompetants year after year. (As an aside I love the local media types who are decrying Blago’s negative effect on Illinois percetion world wide. It is these same media types who do all in their power to help elect the Blagos year after year).
Whoever BO graces with his endorsement in 2010 for gov will be the next gov. It will be a D and my bet is that it will be Lisa Madigan current AG, the daughter of a Chicago pol and state legislator. The senate seat will go to a D as well. Sad state of affairs.
Comment by BT — 12/20/2008 @ 5:02 pm
Drew, were you looking for a link to the FBI investigation of Coleman? Here it is. Your guy’s going to go down. If I were a wingnut, I’d rather have Coleman lose the recount than be dragged out of the Senate like Teddy Stevens.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 5:09 pm
Old Coot, we’ll see. The about Blago is that his corruption wasn’t exactly a secret. Emanuel’s no dummy. If I were you guys, I’d be careful about whooping it up too soon on that one, ’cause as someone who grew up in Chicago I think your jubilation is going to be short-lived.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 5:11 pm
HL waves away any hint of impropriety regarding Emmanuel’s and Obama’s contacts with Blagojevich with a wave of the hand while accusing Coleman of criminal corruption without any evidence at all.
What a droll little troll.
Comment by SPQR — 12/20/2008 @ 5:57 pm
SPQR, apparently you didn’t bother to click on the link I offered. Laziness is endemic on the right wing, no?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 6:09 pm
HL, I did click on the link. And you remind me a lot of TMJ in that your links don’t back up your claims.
Comment by SPQR — 12/20/2008 @ 6:10 pm
Who is “TMJ”?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 6:13 pm
Hey SPQR, maybe a link from Wingnut McNews will get your attention?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 6:16 pm
TMJ is yet another troll here whose only playbook is to thread hijack.
Like you, his links never back up his claims.
Comment by SPQR — 12/20/2008 @ 6:19 pm
I read the whole thing and saw unconfirmed rumors that the FBI is investigating something. I don’t see anything about Coleman lawyering up, and I don’t see any evidence.
What do you see, HL, that leads you to proclaim that Coleman is “going down?”
As for Blago, it looks like we’re going to have a trial. That should be a hell of a lot of fun. Unless you’re a D-Chicago.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 6:24 pm
OK, I read the Fox link too. HL, do you understand the difference between a civil action and a criminal one? Like who the plaintiff is, f’rinstance?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 6:27 pm
Pablo, I don’t know how old anyone else is around here, but I’ve got a few miles on the tires. The Coleman case is a classic. You can smell it before you see it. This is a classic where there’s smoke, there’s fire story.
By contrast, with Blago and Emanuel, there is not so much as a hint that Emanuel has been involved. The Obama campaign’s recent statement that they’re not detailing the contacts at the request of Fitzgerald’s office ought to give the wingnuts pause, although I must say that I am delighted to see that it hasn’t.
I might be mistaken, but I seem to recall that Obama’s people said they were asked to keep the information out of the public eye until this coming Monday. Now I do realize that you are a member of the stupid party, but try to find a couple brain cells to rub together here. Do you really believe that, if there was a problem for Emanuel, the Obama campaign would’ve said they’ve reviewed everything, saw no problem, and would be releasing the evidence next week?
If they lied about all of that, what possible benefit could they derive by doing so, given that the truth will soon be released? Coleman, on the other hand, is diverting campaign cash to cover legal expenses, something that even Wingnut McNews says is illegal, and the FBI is investigating.
Take some truth serum if you must. Claim the devil made you do it. Whose shoes would you rather be in right now?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 6:34 pm
There’s no evidence at all yet, Horrible Leftist, so the facts can still go either way.
Better late than never.
Comment by steve — 12/20/2008 @ 6:40 pm
The difference is that for the Coleman case, there is thus far no evidence that Coleman either knew of what was going on, or was in any way involved.
This is the level of protection Obama currently has.
The thing about Rham and Blago is that we know, for a fact, that Rahmbo talked to Blago, and that early on there were claims that zero contact occured. That it seems many conversations took place is, while not screaming “guilty”, something that I don’t dismiss as completely innocent.
Emmy isn’t saying anything, and that’s smart. The less he says, the less that can be contradicted by the tapes, and thus the less guilty he looks.
The Coleman case has less link to the “bad things” than the Rahm/Blago thing, and you appear to have reversed your thoughts on which proves what.
I don’t know if Rahm did anything wrong. I would like to think he wasn’t nearly that stupid, but I thought that Blago was at least not so stupid as to have gone this far, so my opinion as to the intelligence of Chicago pols is fairly suspect.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/20/2008 @ 6:44 pm
Watch out, Mike Connell’s plane is about to smash through this non-starter of a story. Can’t you just see ‘ole Mike and Vince Foster chatting now?
Comment by Larry Reilly — 12/20/2008 @ 6:46 pm
Ah, so you just know is what you’re saying. And you know that the Chicago machine throwing a rod (see what I did there?) is nothing. Nothing to see, move along. Because after all…
Gotcha. Heh.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 6:50 pm
“Coleman, on the other hand, is diverting campaign cash to cover legal expenses, something that even Wingnut McNews says is illegal, and the FBI is investigating.”
Horrible Leftist – Link please
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:14 pm
We’ll see, won’t we? Unless someone saved the stained dress, I’d say Obama and Emanuel are home free. Coleman? I’d put money on him going down.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:14 pm
daleyrocks, you’re the second lazy wingnut in a couple hours. Read the link.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:15 pm
“Do you really believe that, if there was a problem for Emanuel, the Obama campaign would’ve said they’ve reviewed everything, saw no problem, and would be releasing the evidence next week?”
Horrible Leftist – Did you actually believe they were going to contradict Obama’s conclusion about what the investigation would find before it was even conducted?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:17 pm
It’s over a month away from Inauguration Day and scandal is already dogging the Obama camp. Unlike the election, maybe the media will investigate instead of run interference.
My. Now that conservativism is dead, the toxins are certainly oozing from the corpse during decomposition. Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.
Comment by DCSCA — 12/20/2008 @ 7:24 pm
Did you examine why that happened to liberals 4-6 years ago? What did you come up with? And why are Congress’ approval ratings in the toilet?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:26 pm
Ummm… They did, only this time they call them “Recording of conversations”.
You really aren’t much on reading for comprehension, are you…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/20/2008 @ 7:28 pm
Horrible Leftist – Thanks for pointing out the links. My reaction is the same as Pablo’s. Sounds like bullshit. Neither Coleman is named, neither got cash, nor did Hays, yet the plaintiffs felt it was a good idea to sic the ethics committee in Washington on him and ask the authorities in Washington to investigate. I QUESTION THE TIMING!
Dude, is that all you’ve got?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:35 pm
daleyrocks, with the proviso that people so some stupid things, I’ve got to say that, if Obama and his people are lying about this, it will be even dumber than Billy Boy Clinton waggling his finger at the camera and saying he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.
Look, Fitzgerald’s office confirmed to the Chicago Tribune that they asked Obama’s people to delay releasing the details of their contacts with Blagojevich and his office pending more interviews.
The Trib doesn’t say what day Obama will release his report, but says it will be next week. What would Obama have to gain by lying this week, when the report is coming out next week?
Everything’s going to be cross-checkable, either now or when Fitzgerald is in court against Blago. It’s in Obama’s interest not to have any discrepancies, and he’s got to know that if his report is full of lies that Fitzgerald will undermine it one way or another.
But, you know what? Wingnuts, have at it. Really. Kick and scream and make a fuss, because you’ll just look that much dumber. The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.
Couldn’t have to a nicer bunch o’nutcases.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:35 pm
Clearly you don’t have HL’s old man sense of things, daleyrocks. It would be, like, totally obvious if you did. Smoke, you see…
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:36 pm
“Better they examine why Americans have overwhelmingly rejected their failed ideology.”
DCSCA – I think I must have missed the memo on the overwhelming rejection part. Are you carping about a narrow victory versus a mandate or landslide definition here or some such nonsense?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:37 pm
Not only that, but you’re even getting your preacher for the invocation. So, when Obama names a homosexual secretary of the Navy, it’ll be hard to argue that your side hasn’t been included in the mix.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:38 pm
What would he have to gain by telling the truth this week, if it isn’t what we’ve been told it is? Next week’s Christmas, which is a good time to drop news you’d rather not have noticed.
Rahm and Blago talked about the appointment, a lot. We were told that didn’t happen. And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:39 pm
I think I must have missed the memo on the overwhelming rejection part. Are you carping about a narrow victory versus a mandate or landslide definition here or some such nonsense?
What would YOU call 365 to 173 electoral votes? A squeaker? Nice wingnut math there!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:40 pm
“The U.S. Supreme Court just rejected your tinfoil hat citizenship conspiracy theory, and if you yammer loudly enough about this thing you’ll have some more egg on your face.”
Horrible Leftist – Just to make sure you have your ducks in a row Obamatard, the citizenship conspiracy theory dealio originated and was promoted by PUMAs. Have you seen PeBHO’s birth certificate, btw?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:42 pm
Whose preacher? I don’t have one. But it appears that Warren is Obama’s preacher, gioven the invitation. The replacement, apparently.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:42 pm
“What would YOU call 365 to 173 electoral votes? A squeaker?”
HL – I would focus on the popular vote, Obamatard.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:43 pm
Juggy has a 750 million dollar debt due. He’s going to make “Pay-to-Play” Blagojevich look like a Boy Scout.
Comment by nk — 12/20/2008 @ 7:44 pm
This is what I’d call a landslide. As is this. And this. That last one had to hurt.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:45 pm
You don’t really read this blog, do you?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:46 pm
Next week’s Christmas, which is a good time to drop news you’d rather not have noticed.
Come now, my desperate nutcase. Do you really think that if there was a bombshell, no one would notice?
Rahm and Blago talked about the appointment, a lot. We were told that didn’t happen.
No, we were told that Obama’s people weren’t involved in the horsetrading, and that there were no inappropriate contacts. Delivering a list of acceptable names, and (perhaps) discussing the pros and cons of each one, and the political implications, is not “horsetrading.”
Horsetrading is the exchange of concessions and favors. If Emanuel was doing that, then it will be embarrassing. If he was involved in corruption, it will be more than embarrassing. However, if he had done either of those things, Obama wouldn’t have said what he said this week.
But hey wingnuts, please don’t take my word for it. Get Rushbo, and O’Leilly, and Hannity, and Coulter, and all your friends at Pajamas Network, Faux News, and Free Republic to raise the biggest stink you can.
Come on, nutcases. Bring it on! I dare ya!
And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:46 pm
“I’ve got to say that, if Obama and his people are lying about this, it will be even dumber than Billy Boy Clinton waggling his finger at the camera and saying he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman.”
HL – I agree. So why did Obama screw things up and lie to the media with his no contact, I didn’t know what was going on comment right off the bat. Answer me that Obamatard.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:48 pm
And now, Rahm has taken a vow of silence. I smell smoke.
Oops, that got appended onto my last posting as if I’d written it. But I didn’t. A nutcase wrote it. I love it when nutcases smell smoke!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:49 pm
“However, if he had done either of those things, Obama wouldn’t have said what he said this week.”
HL – Now you claim to be a mind reader. Excellent.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 7:51 pm
You don’t really pay attention to politics, do you? Of course those who are watching will notice. But the fewer people who are watching, the better the time to drop uncomfortable news.
How do you suppose Blago knew that O! wasn’t going to “offer anything but appreciation”?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:51 pm
You must have a hell of a lot of fun hanging around with yourself, whackjob.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:52 pm
It would seem the citizens of the city would have a more pointed if not exasperated pov, or is there just denial…or business as usual?
Same as it ever was, Dana. Sadly, whatever Blago winds up being convicted of, we’ve seen much worse around these parts. The only difference this time is that we actually have it on tape, but the means and mores have been with us for generations. If anyone really wanted a primer for the way Chicago politics has been run over the past 60 years, just go to Amazon and pick up Mike Royko’s Pulitzer winning book, “Boss.” Although written back in the early 70’s about the first Mayor Daley, it paints a grim picture of just how favors and political connections have always worked in this town, and why any true reforms have been halting at best.
Comment by Dmac — 12/20/2008 @ 7:52 pm
Which is, frankly, why I’m willing to believe that they just might be lying about it.
I mean, did YOU think Clinton was dumb enough to so blatantly lie to all of america? I didn’t care much for him, and I sure as hell didn’t think he would…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/20/2008 @ 7:53 pm
Did we lose DCSCA? Pity, that.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 7:53 pm
Oops, that got appended onto my last posting as if I’d written it. But I didn’t.
Upon reviewing your many feverish rantings here today, one question seems most appropriate: are you currently on Ritalin?
Comment by Dmac — 12/20/2008 @ 7:53 pm
So why did Obama screw things up and lie to the media with his no contact, I didn’t know what was going on comment right off the bat. Answer me that Obamatard.
What “lie” did Obama tell?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:54 pm
I mean, did YOU think Clinton was dumb enough to so blatantly lie to all of america? I didn’t care much for him, and I sure as hell didn’t think he would
I vividly remember seeing him wag his finger. I laughed my ass off at the time. I didn’t believe a word of it, but I also figured that he’d nailed down the coverup. I’d have loved to see the look on his face when he was informed that Monica Lewinsky had saved the dress.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 7:56 pm
That his staff had had no contact with Blago about the seat. I mean, as he said it, we were like “ummm… why DIDN’T you? that’s, like, something we’d actually EXPECT…”
Not the “sell my seat” thing, but “Ok, here’s who I was thinking should get my seat”.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/20/2008 @ 7:58 pm
3:13 in.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:00 pm
How do you suppose Blago knew that O! wasn’t going to “offer anything but appreciation”?
Probably because Blago asked for consideration in return for appointing Obama’s preference. If he made a sufficiently blatant request, then I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.
He’s no dummy. Everyone knew that Blago was corrupt, stupid, and being tailed by the FBI. If that’s the way it turns out to have happened, I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts. Talk about your perfect political setup!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:00 pm
HL – Your revolutions are increasing.
Does saying “I had no contact” include the members of his staff he delegated to make the contact?
Does saying I didn’t know what was happening represent a truthful statement even when he knew his emmissaries presented a list of preferred candidates to the governor?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:03 pm
Then you’re not familiar with Chicago politics. Rahm is. Barack is.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:04 pm
HL – You’re losing your composure here. The party line is getting tougher to hold.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:05 pm
I had no idea what my Chief of Staff was doing in all those conversations with that list of people I approved of. No idea at all. In fact, I usually have no idea what’s going on around me! This is not the Rahm Emanuel I knew.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:06 pm
Again, nutcases, pool a few spare brain cells. Blago was outraged that Obama wasn’t going to play ball. Obviously, someone had told him that. This supports Obama’s statement that no one on his staff horsetraded for the seat.
It’s just mind boggling how stupid this is. Are you sure you’re wingnuts, or has my side snatched your bodies? Why on earth would you seriously try to make a scandal out of Obama’s people refusing to grant a request for a bribe?
Oh, and Pablo? Obama said HE had had no contact with Blago or his office. He later said that his aides hadn’t had inappropriate contacts, nor had they horsetraded for the seat. If any of that’s a lie, we’ve yet to see the evidence.
You know what’s going to happen here? When the whole story’s told, Obama AND Emanuel will come out smelling like roses, and you wingnuts will come across as desperate sore losers willing to make up any lie you think will sound good.
Merry Christmas, you idiots!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:08 pm
Horrible Leftist:
I think that’s an excellent defense. Unfortunately Obama didn’t think of it. Instead he claimed “we were not, I was not aware of what was happening” with Blagojevich regarding the Senate seat. Obama has had to backtrack ever since. Knowledgeable politicians might say it’s because he doesn’t have any executive experience.
FWIW, I suspect Emanuel and Obama knew soemthing was going on and rejected it, but they are worried it will look bad if they didn’t report it to authorities. As I understand it, there is no duty to report this conduct but that doesn’t sound very hopeful and changey.
Comment by DRJ — 12/20/2008 @ 8:09 pm
Does saying “I had no contact” include the members of his staff he delegated to make the contact?
Yup. Generally speaking, the word “I” is singular. Unless you wingnuts maybe think that Obama IS God, and that in his case the word “I” refers to a trinity.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:10 pm
Ha! Nutcases! Garble, garble, stupid! Coleman’s going down, wingnuts!
Your work is done here, HL.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:10 pm
Exactly. That would be perfectly acceptable. In fact, it would be astounding if he wasn’t giving Blago input as to who the seat should go to. Of course they’d be talking about it. Why wouldn’t they?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:12 pm
Instead he claimed “we were not, I was not aware of what was happening” with Blagojevich regarding the Senate seat.
What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.”
Oh, nutcases! This is really, really going to be good. You’d better go read Aesop’s Fables. Specifically, The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Do you realize what national laughingstocks the right-wing will be in short order here?
You seem to think that you’ve been playing against a minor league team. Hey: I’ve got news for you. They might be from Chicago, but Steinbrenner never fielded a better bunch than this one.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:15 pm
“He later said that his aides hadn’t had inappropriate contacts, nor had they horsetraded for the seat.”
HL – Think about your words HL. He later admitted he actually knew what was happening. Why didn’t he say so at the start?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:21 pm
What if a unicorn came, let Blago jump on, and took him far, far away to the Old Governor’s farm?
Oh, and Ed Rendell seems to think they’re minor league. That silly wingnut!
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:22 pm
And why did he say quite the opposite? That would be called lying in some circles.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:23 pm
Think about it! Don’t you just kinda-sorta think that when it comes to navigating the sewers of Chicago, there is no one better than a team of Lakefront Liberals from Chicago? Holy cow, you people have been hosed so thoroughly, and the beauty is that you still don’t know just how hosed you are. Ha ha ha ha!! What’s the acronym? Ah, yes: ROTFLMAO!!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:23 pm
In less than a few hours, HL has becomes one of the most tired and tedious things ever.
Well done, old bean.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/20/2008 @ 8:24 pm
Horrible Leftist:
I would be delighted if that’s what happened, and I hold out hope that’s what they did.
Comment by DRJ — 12/20/2008 @ 8:24 pm
DC ain’t Chicago.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:25 pm
“What if Emanuel got the corrupt request for consideration, refused it, went to the FBI, and then came back to his boss and said, “Mr. President-Elect, we can’t talk about the Senate vacancy, because there is a federal investigation. I am part of it, and I promise you that I am on the right side of this one.””
HL – Your spinning is getting faster and faster. If your new scenario were in fact true, shouldn’t Obama’s initial answer to the press corps have been to say we can’t talk about the matter instead of his instinctual reaction to lie?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:28 pm
Don’t you just kinda-sorta think that when it comes to navigating the sewers of Chicago, there is no one better than a team of Lakefront Liberals from Chicago?
What does Jan Schakowsky have to do with this? HL is not only stupid, he is ignorant. The Fifth Congressional District is not Lakefront Liberal, it’s Nortwest Side “ethnic”.
Comment by nk — 12/20/2008 @ 8:30 pm
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m having fun swatting this one around.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:30 pm
Excuse me *etnic*.
Comment by nk — 12/20/2008 @ 8:31 pm
And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.
That doesn’t fit with the “Rahm turned him in” fantasy.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:34 pm
Comment by Dmac — 12/20/2008 @ 7:52 pm
Thanks, Dmac. The Chicago multi-generational corruption in such concentrated amounts never ceases to amaze me. It would seem the cycle would be broken at some point.
There is a wonderfully insightful, if not troubling look in at the machinery in this month’s American Thinker. A grassroots worker who published a newsletter for her community, stopped for safety reasons. Apparently, though hard to imagine, intimidation and outrageous behavior from her Alderman and his goon squad is business as usual.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chicago_politics_at_the_retail.html
Comment by Dana — 12/20/2008 @ 8:36 pm
And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.
Why not? Does the organ-grinder account to the monkey?
Comment by nk — 12/20/2008 @ 8:38 pm
Did HL declare victory and leave?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 8:38 pm
Hey now, we’re still working the Hopenchange angle. RACIST!!!!
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:44 pm
If your new scenario were in fact true, shouldn’t Obama’s initial answer to the press corps have been to say we can’t talk about the matter instead of his instinctual reaction to lie?
That’s pretty much what he did in his first press conference, isn’t it? That’s when the wingnuts went crazy and said he was covering up.
And if that did happen, do you really think Obama wouldn’t know about it? Your Chief of Staff is dropping a dime to the FBI on the Governor of your state regarding an appointment to your newly vacant Senate seat, and you don’t know about it? Ha.
If what I speculate is in fact true, then Obama’s claim not to have known would be true.
What does Jan Schakowsky have to do with this? HL is not only stupid, he is ignorant. The Fifth Congressional District is not Lakefront Liberal, it’s Nortwest Side “ethnic”.
I was talking about Obama, you wingnut idiot.
There is a wonderfully insightful, if not troubling look in at the machinery in this month’s American Thinker.
Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m having fun swatting this one around.
So am I. What’s especially fun is the utter idiocy of the right wing on this one. Good God, is this ever entertaining. What happened to your crew? Did you have to return the brains you rented?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:47 pm
There’s one thing we know: Karl Rove is no longer working for you guys. If he were running your show, you’d have never, ever fallen into this trap.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/20/2008 @ 8:49 pm
So, Obama had no idea what was going on while Rahm talked to Blago and then to the FBI about his (Rahm’s) contact re: the Senate seat and who Obama wanted to fill it with and Blago’s subsequent pay for play pressure. Obama was clueless about all of this happening between his Governor and his Chief of Staff. Is that what you’re suggesting?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:55 pm
If he were running your show, you’d have never, ever fallen into this trap.
Karl is taking the long view. After four years of Teeth ‘n Ears, we’ll pass a Constitutional Amendment abolishing affirmative action forever.
Comment by nk — 12/20/2008 @ 8:56 pm
What trap is that, O sage one?
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 8:56 pm
Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!
There are a number of periodicals, journals, why even newspapers (NYT, LAT) that a lot of us continue to read in spite of, errors. Please, before commenting, read the article. An ability to use discernment is beneficial.
Comment by Dana — 12/20/2008 @ 9:03 pm
Did anyone at American Thinker say that Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father? I believe the answer to that question is “no”.
Comment by Pablo — 12/20/2008 @ 9:07 pm
In liberal land,these idiots will defend anybody no matter how corrupt or illegal if you have a (D) beside your name.
Does this look like “no relationship” to anyone with an IQ higher than Ted Kennedy’s alcohol blood
level:
From the WSJ:
Obama and Blago’s Connections:
Obama Endorsed Blagojevich For A Second Term.
Yea,nothing to see here.
Just like sitting in a church for 20 yrs.listening
to the bigoted rants of Wright and Obama had no idea he felt this way.Not the man I knew.
Start your political career in a marxist domestic terrorist living room,serve on a board wasting millions of dollars and it was “just somebody in
the neighborhood”.
Now liberals are on their knees praying to their
failed community organizer and his staff total blind loyalty as they scramble to cover butt before even being inaugurated.
Whether Obama and his staff played the Blago pay game does not justify the fact that the transparency and change Obama promised is looking more and more like a joke every day.
Obama does not know what his own staff was doing or either he is lying,neither shows strong leadership and good judgment.
From the WSJ:
This does not look like “distancing yourself”to me.
Comment by Baxter Greene — 12/20/2008 @ 9:15 pm
Horrible Leftist, I just re-read the Obama/Ayres author-in-question article again and Pablo is correct – no one at AT said that Ayers wrote the book. It might be helpful for you to re-read it as well.
Shy of a confession by those involved, I will not be able to prove conclusively that Obama did not write this book. As shall be seen, however, there are only two real possibilities: one is that Obama experienced a near miraculous turnaround in his literary abilities; the second is that he had major editorial help, up to and including a ghostwriter.
This is where it begins and ends, with all sorts of literary comparisons, questions and certainly suspicions but nothing conclusive.
Comment by Dana — 12/20/2008 @ 9:16 pm
The same crowd that yelled and whined about how guilty Bush/Cheney was of outing Plame (But it was the democrat Armitage) don’t see any connections what-so-ever with Obama stuttering and waffling all over the place:
We have Obama stating:
“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”
LOOKS LIKE CONTACT TO ME:
We have Axlerod stating that Obama has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat(then conveniently saying “I mis-spoke.Damn,I bet Libby wishes that he could have convinced liberals and the MSM by so easily saying “oops,I mis-spoke!”) :
A definitive “I know” has now conveniently turned into “I mis-spoke”.
yea,anything you say master Obama.Whatever you want me to say master Obama.We must protect the lightworker master Obama.
We have at least 3 independent news articles that state Obama has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat:
Surprise! Stories Noting Obama-Blagojevich Meetings Disappear Down Memory Hole
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/12/surprise-stories-noting-obama.html
From KHQA(who have conveniently followed in Axlerods footsteps without explaining how they got the story wrong not once but twice or have printed a retraction.Reminds me of the WaPo denying that Raines was part of Obama circle even though they printed it more than once and never retracted the story).
(Tribune)
We have Obama stating that he nor his staff has had contact with Blago concerning the Senate seat
and making any deals.
Hey genius,trying to push your preferred candidate is deal making.Rahm may not have broken
the law,but once again we have super smart Obama that has no idea his Chief of Staff participated in many phone calls concerning filling his senate seat.
I guess we should give Obama a break,cocaine abusers aren’t known for great organizational skills.
Obama Is ‘Appalled,’ Insists He Had No Contact With Blagojevich Over Senate Seat
President-elect Barack Obama says neither he nor his aides had any contact with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich regarding his open Senate seat.
FOXNews.com
Thursday, December 11, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/11/obama-says-contact-blagojevich-senate-seat/
The same people who spent the 90’s and until they voted for the Iraq war saying Saddam had WMD’s/ties to al-qaeda,said the Sunni,Shia,and Kurds would never get along and the Iraq war was lost,said the surge would not work and their leader still would not vote for it then knowing that it has worked now,blocked any regulations to Fannie/Freddie and their leadership told America up through the democratic convention that “Fannie/Freddie were strong” and lead a Congress that sits at 17% approval is yelling about how dam$ smart they are.
I guess when you are that dumb,you have to say it all the time because it doesn’t show.
How’s that impeachment going genius?
Comment by Baxter Greene — 12/20/2008 @ 9:38 pm
You know what I think, gang?
I think that “Horrible Leftist” is another troll we all know. Not a big deal, really. But the style is awfully familiar.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 9:43 pm
Baxter – I think HL has unsuccessfully argued all 360 degrees of this one and has yet to reach a conclusion. Sharp as a marble this Obamatard.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 9:45 pm
Well, if he took this blog as gospel then Richard Nixon ended world hunger and Jimmy Carter re-introduced it… but because HL seems to be pretty well rounded he takes positions on things that he reads, not what Ann Coulter tells him to think. So, I would say he has pretty much summed up the birth certificate issue: DOA. (dead on arrival)
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 9:45 pm
Someone’s ears were burning, apparently. Sock puppetry abounds!
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 9:47 pm
tnj – Why don’t you peovide links to the post or comments on this blog that claim Nixon ended world hinger and Carter brought it bag, boy genius.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 9:47 pm
Or better still, let’s see those ISP numbers for HL and TMJ.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 9:50 pm
Eric – Just more patellar reflex leftism. They don’t think before they comment.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 9:51 pm
Daley, you have posted here far longer. But those two sound awfully similar to one another.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 9:53 pm
Well then we can all be glad that you’re not analyzing this sort of thing for crime labs or as a history detective. I welcome DRJ to check our ISP numbers. We are different people.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 9:57 pm
Well—though I doubt your honesty in this as in much of what you post (like your supposed science expertise, teaching background, etc)—two trolls don’t make a right.
And I don’t mean “right” in the political sense.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:01 pm
What won’t happen there is for votes to remain uncounted. It’s not how Minnesota works.
Also, Coleman is up to his neck in corruption, so even if he manages to win his recount he’ll be gone soon enough.
We need a better class of troll around here.
You do notice, do you not, that he’s just tapped into his campaign funds to hire a high-priced defense lawyer.
It’s only a matter of time. Coleman’s going to wind up in Club Fed.
Comment by Horrible Leftist
You really need to go somewhere else where people don’t follow politics. Your talents, such as they are, are wasted. Find some blog where the contributers are as stupid as you are.
Do you realize what national laughingstocks the right-wing will be in short order here?
No, not here. I suggest you try Kos or some other moonbat site. They will laugh at anything.
Comment by Mike K — 12/20/2008 @ 10:04 pm
I welcome any inquiries you may have into my profession, but I am not going to write an essay about it. That is just plain silly.
I assure you that I can answer questions that a high school physics/chemistry teacher (I have a 7-12 physical science license) would know.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:05 pm
I have said it before and I will say it again: just because you wish something were untrue that doesn’t mean it is.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:07 pm
Mike K – HL’s lame ass links didn’t even support his contentions, which is also very similar to the way tnj links, on the rare occasions he links something.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:09 pm
I have said it before and I will say it again:
Youth is wasted on youth
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:12 pm
Well the liberals and their friends in the press better be prepared to lie,spin,cut,and paste all the information they can,because they are going to be real busy with the corrupt idiots they elected and all the promises that Obama is breaking on a daily basis.
Democrats Are the New Ethics Story
Blagojevich is just the tip of the iceberg.
By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122964897338520479.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Corrupt democrats all over the place combined with troops staying in Iraq,pissing off his leftwing base over gay marriage(when liberals get over their selective outrage and hold Christians like Hillary,Biden,and Obama to the same standards as the chruch’s they yell and scream in front of),signing on to the NSA wiretapping,keeping Gates,threating Iran with nuclear annihilation,no campaign finance reform,keeping the Bush tax cuts,no windfall profits tax on…and…on…and…on.
yea,liberals,no sitting on the sidelines anymore whining and crying.
Your honeymoon with the press and electorate is going to be very short lived.
Comment by Baxter Greene — 12/20/2008 @ 10:13 pm
I would think one of their IP addresses is from a non-english speaking country (a proxy), or from the same neighborhood (neighbor’s unencrypted wifi) if they are the same person.
Though it’s rare that I’m not in a room without at least 2 dumb people, so I don’t know that they are eachother.
Comment by Joco — 12/20/2008 @ 10:13 pm
This is one of my favorite Leftist memes. Had Rahmbo been the one to go to the FBI, Baracky and Rahmbo would have had a presser where they each dislocated a shoulder patting themselves on their own backs.
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:16 pm
Baxter – Even Campbell Brown was getting a little snippy over Obama’s stonewalling and mistreatment of the press the other night.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:17 pm
If your Aunt had nuts she would be your uncle …
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:18 pm
I don’t mind debating people who don’t agree with me. What does annoy me is the practice on leftist blogs like Mother Jones and Washington Monthly of deleting any comments that don’t agree with the leftist slant of the site. Then the moonbats come over to blogs that don’t delete comments and post crap like HL with links that don’t support their arguments.
Life is too short to debate trolls.
Comment by Mike K — 12/20/2008 @ 10:19 pm
So when I said scandal is dogging the Obama Administration, I was saying scandal is following it closely.</i
By that incoherent logic, historians are entitled to conclude Clarence Thomas was “dogged by scandal.”
Much as others observe that Eliot Spitzer was.
Comment by steve — 12/20/2008 @ 10:19 pm
This comment flies in the face of the “MSM is in the Dem’s pocket” routine. Are you sure we want to switch our argument at this point?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:19 pm
JD – If your Aunt had nuts she would be your uncle …
You’re the best, even if you’re an unrepentant racist!
Comment by Apogee — 12/20/2008 @ 10:20 pm
Now THAT is funny.
The Poseur Maximus writes:
Two responses:
1. Riiiggghhht.
2. Does the expression “damned by faint praise” mean anything?
Bugs Bunny still has the best commentary on this character.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:20 pm
“If what I speculate is in fact true”
Your brother was an only child.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:21 pm
EB: If you actually confirmed my expertise then you could no longer poke fun at it. Your game is quite transparent (and weak).
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:23 pm
“Your honeymoon with the press and electorate is going to be very short lived.
This comment flies in the face of the “MSM is in the Dem’s pocket” routine. Are you sure we want to switch our argument at this point?”
tnj – Read the future tense boy genius.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:23 pm
Thanks, Apogee.
TMJ thinks that the media is going to turn conservative when they spit them some Baracky out, as they were developing TMJ. That they removed him from their mouth does not mean that they have turned conservative, TMJ. It simply meant that they were full, and at some point in time, they will reinsert Baracky and go deep throat again …
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:24 pm
There is a school out there that is letting the village idiot teach their children. How sad.
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:25 pm
Ah, projection again—no wonder you dislike the word.
You are a fake and a troll. You just post to argue with people, and to try to get folks agitated with you.
Attempts to get you to describe your expertise resulted in your claiming that you wouldn’t “write term papers” for others. So many people here, myself included, continue to think you are an undergraduate with a huge chip on your shoulder.
The sad part is that if I am wrong, it would be a horrible thing for middle and high school students—given your behavior here.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:26 pm
“If you actually confirmed my expertise then you could no longer poke fun at it.”
tnj – I thought it was impossible to prove a negative. Are you saying it is not?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, daley, the troll “teaches” physics, not English composition.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:28 pm
Being an expert with Jergen’s and the Magic Sock is not really something you should be bragging about.
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:29 pm
I will tell you what I think, don’t assume. I have seen what happens when you guys assume things on here and it ends up being a colossal train wreck.
And, nice pivot on this one. Uh…. I didn’t mean now… I meant.. um… later? Yeah, later… that’s it.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:29 pm
JD – I thought it was Oil of Olay
fap fap fap fap fap
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:31 pm
Actually that is logic not English composition, dumbass.
And you call me a threadjacker? You started all this crap. Why don’t you stay on topic?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:32 pm
You started all this crap.
?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:33 pm
Let’s review, folks. This character is complaining that someone else is off topic?
And actually uses the word “logic” in a post?
Amazing.
The amusing part is that if the troll quit…well, being a troll…people wouldn’t poke at him. But then, the faux-aggression biz is his schtick.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:34 pm
“Actually that is logic not English composition, dumbass.”
That’s Mr. Dumbass to you, boy genius.
How about if we just call you Spanky instead?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:36 pm
So which is it, TMJ. Do you teach logic, or science. It really does not matter. I admire the local school district reaching out to village idiots and giving them a chance in life. Too bad their efforts will have to screw up some kid’s education in the process. But, good on you. Way to overcome …
Comment by JD — 12/20/2008 @ 10:38 pm
Hmmmm…
http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/post/1919430.aspx
Sounds familiar….
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/20/2008 @ 10:42 pm
JD – I think you hurt Spanky’s feelings.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2008 @ 10:43 pm
#
The press has made such fools of themselves playing democratic activists that even the National Enquirer is scooping them on stories(Edwards screwing around on his cancer sick wife).
They worked overtime spinning and glossing over Obama’s lack of experience,accomplishments,and radical associations while they dug through Palin’s trash for tanning bed receipts and proof of her being the mother of Trig.
What little bit of credibility they had has been invested in their light worker Obama and it is going to blow right up in their face.
Before 2009 is up,their will be a whole lot of people wondering where all the hope and change is
and blaming Bush won’t get it anymore.
They have the House,Senate,and Presidency.
Reality is going to be a bitc# and not very popular with the people waiting on their Messiah to pay their mortgage and gas.
Comment by Baxter Greene — 12/20/2008 @ 10:53 pm
truthnjustice wrote:
TNJ, at 3:56 pm this afternoon, you claimed “I have not been wasting my existence on this f-ing site.” As I type this message, it is 11:14 pm, and you left your last message here a mere 41 minutes ago. Clearly, you’ve been wasting enough time for us to be annoyed by your constant presence.
I will speak for myself only and say that I appreciate your sincere encouragement for us all to “get some lives,” but as any mental health counselor can tell you, you can’t cure someone else who is sick. That person has to first come to the realization s/he has a problem, and then that individual must make the effort to get well. But I would venture to guess that few people would agree with your ecchspurt opinion that we don’t “have lives.” IOW, we don’t believe we have a problem.
I guess we’re all lost causes, fated to live the rest of our lives without lives. But you, truthnjustice, you don’t have to be like us. You can escape our sorry fate! Please, don’t think you have to save us from ourselves — save yourself, TNJ … SAVE YOURSELF!
Leave us here, TNJ! Get off “this f-ing site!”
I just had a ’90s flashback to my first days on the Internet in unmoderated AOL chat rooms, where profane punk kids (who thought it was “kewl” to use capital letters in the middle of words) would start chatroom brawls for no reason. When people would tell them to knock it off, inevitably, they would challenge others to meet them in real life for a three-dimensional beatdown.
It was common for such punks to suggest that everyone in the chatroom was a “loser” — at the least. To which my reply always was, “If that’s the way you feel about us, why are you here hanging out with us?”
The punks never had (or have) a good answer to that question.
Comment by L.N. Smithee — 12/20/2008 @ 11:26 pm
Darn it! Just hit “submit” and forgot to adjust the interval between TNJ posts. Eh, whatever. I think I made my point.
Comment by L.N. Smithee — 12/20/2008 @ 11:27 pm
At this point, it seems the whole government administration in Illinois is really up shit creek because of this scandal. They can’t really hold a special election, because there is a decent chance a Republican could take the seat and with how things are now, ANY results are going to be put under question anyway barring a landslide of about 10% or more by one of the candidates. They can’t let Blagojevich appoint Obama’s replacement because any appointments of his are going to be toxic and no one will trust them. And they can’t get the LtGov in position to make the appointment because Blago is out there joyously giving the finger to the entire Democrat machine and DARING them to get him impeached, rather than resign gracefully.
I’m seriously torn about how to interpret all of this. From the perspective of my own dislike of Democrats and machine politics in particular, I’m not saddened that a group of individuals that hold themselves up as social purists who fight for “minorities” against “The Man” are getting their shit exposed and mocked like this. Quite frankly, it’s been too long that Illinois and Chicago machine politics have been excused and winked at by the left because “that’s how things are done.” About 100 years ago, this is the kind of bullshit that actual progressives stood against. Now, experience in this environment is considered a feature of the very man modern-day progressives helped put into office. The hypocrisy (the one thing that the left LOVES to highlight when a Republican gets caught in corruption) is hardly astonishing, but it is still disappointing.
At the same time, common sense dictates that scandals like this are nothing but negative in the eyes of the public because it undermines confidence in the system of laws that govern this nation. That the people of Illinois have passively accepted a state political system that is so corrupt for so many decades now(a phenomenon not limited to Chicago, obviously) is a clear demonstration of this. So I can’t help but feel saddend at least by the fact that what we seeing in Illinois right now has become acceptable in this country simply because no one wants to hold their elected leaders up to a higher standard than “Who’s going to give me the most goodies?”
In a democracy, we get the government we deserve. So Illinois, I hope you choke on this for a good long time. You’re about to become a national joke and it couldn’t happen to a bunch of nicer people because you used greed rather than competency and integrity as the benchmark for your elected representatives.
Comment by Another Chris — 12/20/2008 @ 11:49 pm
Probably because Blago asked for consideration in return for appointing Obama’s preference. If he made a sufficiently blatant request, then I won’t be one bit surprised if we find out that Emanuel went to the FBI.
He’s no dummy. Everyone knew that Blago was corrupt, stupid, and being tailed by the FBI. If that’s the way it turns out to have happened, I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts. Talk about your perfect political setup!
I’ve thought all along that it’s not impossible that Emanuel went to the FBI. I sincerely doubt it, since a) it doesn’t seem like him, and b) he probably would have said so by now. But it’s by no means certain that he’ll come out of this looking bad.
You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy, and I like having smart guys from the left around here. I wonder if there’s a way that I could persuade you to go easy on insulting my commenters. Internet communication makes it easy to be flippant and insult others, and we all fall prey to the temptation, so I don’t mean to sound holier than thou. But is there a way that we can benefit from your arguments and insights, but receive them with a little less attitude mixed in there?
Comment by Patterico — 12/21/2008 @ 12:57 am
A BIO…
truthnjustice
Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
Industrial Engineer, but no mention as to which discipline;
Bookstore owner;
…
Have I missed anything?
Contributions/additions will be appreciated – we need to have an accurate accounting of the many great accomplishments of this sterling individual.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 6:33 am
Guilt or innocence are irrelevant. He only has to be made to appear tainted to destroy him politically. The more associates of Obama from Chicagoland that can be tainted bad, the better. Spread the “wealth” prosecutor man, hahaha.
It was JJJr who informed the feds. Rahm did not. Rahm is “not a part of the investigation” until he is. You don’t make him an official target until you have what you want.
Comment by Ray — 12/21/2008 @ 7:15 am
HL seems in high dudgeon over allegations from third-parties that might link to Sen Coleman, but why doesn’t he mention a real complaint by a state official about the personal use of campaign funds by a sitting Attorney-General?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 7:16 am
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 7:16 am
Could it have anything to do with the fact that the A-G in question is a Democrat?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 7:19 am
Mechanical engineer
Bookstore owner
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/21/2008 @ 7:40 am
Hmm, that ‘bookstore owner’ was supposed to have a strike through it.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/21/2008 @ 7:40 am
bookstore owner…see link in #161,
explanations are always welcomed.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 7:58 am
Ha ha ha ha!! What’s the acronym? Ah, yes: ROTFLMAO!!
This line reminds me of one of Cagney’s greatest roles, that of a psychopathic killer in the classic film White Heat. As he’s going down in flames on top of a building, he’s screaming “Look at me, Ma! TOP OF THE WORLD! HA, HA HA!”
You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy,
With all due respect to our esteemed host, I tend to severely disagree with this sentiment.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 8:02 am
No, they aren’t.
It isn’t me.
Come on, is truthnjustice really that creative that no single English-speaking person on Earth could have thought of it?
Then again, neither is Another Drew.
Though, for somebody who seems to pride himself on accuracy, you seem to forget a lot of details that I have gratiously given you about my life. I am quite certain that I told you I was a mechanical design engineer, and at no point told you I was an industrial engineer. Considering the priority you have given to completely derailing the threads in order to respond to me with irrelevent junk, I would think you would remember these things.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/21/2008 @ 8:05 am
How can the host ask someone from another perspective to be nice when all that greets him is this?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/21/2008 @ 8:06 am
AD, you forgot to list SUPER-GENIUS!
Comment by Mossberg500 — 12/21/2008 @ 8:08 am
His modesty precluded that appellation of achievement.
Certain proprieties need to be observed.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 8:13 am
Mossberg
Quite funny.
The rest of you that respond to this troll – for shame!
It’s one thing to argue with a leftist communitarian who’s consistent. It’s another to argue with someone who has no core beliefs and nothing but contrarianism as an attitude.
Why do you respond to TMJ? You know he has nothing to say – it’s like arguing with a book-on-tape: nothing you say will affect what the tape will say next.
Comment by steve miller — 12/21/2008 @ 8:13 am
ACME Heathkit assembly?
Comment by Mossberg500 — 12/21/2008 @ 8:14 am
George Stephanopolous is reporting:
Sources tell me that the Obama team’s review of contacts with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich will show that Rahm Emanuel had only one phone conversation with Blagojevich.
The contact, described as a “pro-forma” courtesy call, came as Emanuel was named Chief of Staff for Obama. Most of the discussion concerned Emanuel’s Congressional seat (which had previously been held by Blagojevich), with only a “passing reference” to the Senate vacancy, according to these sources. No deal for the Senate vacancy was discussed.
—
The sources add that the report will show Emanuel also had four phone calls with Blagojevich Chief of Staff John Harris. During those conversations, the Senate seat was discussed. The pros and cons of various candidates were reviewed, and the sources say that Emanuel repeatedly reminded Harris that Blagojevich should focus on the message the pick would send about the governor and his administration.
Sources also confirm that Emanuel made the case for picking Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett during at least one of the conversations. In the course of that conversation, Harris asked if in return for picking Jarrett, “all we get is appreciation, right?” “Right,” Emanuel responded.
So the Obama camp says 5 phone calls total, only a little about Jarrett.
Left unanswered is how Blagojevich, the SEIU guy, and Jarrett all came to believe the SEIU guy was negotiating for Jarrett.
Comment by MayBee — 12/21/2008 @ 8:14 am
A BIO…
truthnjustice
Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
IndustrialMechanical Engineer;Bookstore owner;Plagiarist.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 8:21 am
Horrible Leftist’s Greatest Hits!
34. If I were a wingnut
40. maybe a link from Wingnut McNews will get your attention?
44. I do realize that you are a member of the stupid party, but try to find a couple brain cells to rub together here.
51. you’re the second lazy wingnut in a couple hours.
57. But, you know what? Wingnuts, have at it. Couldn’t have to a nicer bunch o’nutcases.
62. Nice wingnut math there!
69. Come now, my desperate nutcase. But hey wingnuts, please don’t take my word for it. Come on, nutcases. Bring it on! I dare ya!
71. A nutcase wrote it. I love it when nutcases smell smoke!
83. I’m going to fall over laughing at you wingnuts.
88. Again, nutcases, pool a few spare brain cells. Are you sure you’re wingnuts, you wingnuts will come across as desperate sore losers
90. unless you wingnuts maybe think that Obama IS God
93. Oh, nutcases!
110. That’s when the wingnuts went crazy and said he was covering up.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:26 am
And then doucheandjustice tsk tsk’s how HL was treated because someone said that he doesn’t find HL particularly smart! Hilarious.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:28 am
But Jack, they both prefer Jergen’s.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 8:30 am
Do they tuck “it” under and raise rare moths?
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:32 am
Jack, HL meant those comments in the nicest way possible. It makes similar remarks at Gateway Pundit.
Comment by Mossberg500 — 12/21/2008 @ 8:33 am
HL certainly does have a noticeable infatuation with nuts.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:34 am
I’ve seen it at Gateway as well. He reminds me of the painfully unfunny class clown who thinks he’s hilarious and never shuts the hell up even though everyone except maybe a sycophant or two just thinks a boorish asshole.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:36 am
“just thinks a boorish asshole.”
PIMF -forgot the appropriate pronoun: “it”.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 8:38 am
Fitzgerald loves “Obstruction of justice”
Obama and Emmanuel need to learn to be careful
Comment by SteveG — 12/21/2008 @ 8:41 am
Do they tuck “it” under and raise rare moths?
Not sure, but they do prefer to dress up and enact their favorite scenes from “Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.”
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 8:46 am
Just so you know, the reason HL is over here is because he was banned at Gateway Pundit.
Comment by rls — 12/21/2008 @ 9:00 am
As for trolls of any name, the genesis is pretty simple:
1. Folks who like to fight and argue, but lack personal courage. In other words, they type things on the Internet they would never dare say in, say, a bar.
2. They come to a blog like this, and see that it leans right.
3. To feel like Speaking Troof to Powder, they decide to disagree. The typical troll sees himself as the Lone Wolf, speaking out in what starts out as a goal of “fairness” that quickly changes to “tit for tat” and then simple contradiction.
4. Its reactive disagreement (contradiction) quickly descends into insult and posting web pointers from DK or DU.
5. Soon, the personal aspect of the argumentation is more important than the topic. Distilled essence of Troll.
There are people on this blog who do lean left, and do so in a civil and nonconfrontational fashion. They aren’t trolls.
The people who just like to pick fights? Trolls.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:00 am
Why, whatever for, rls?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:01 am
Not too surprising that someone like Blagojevich apparently is quite brazen and shameless about the controversies/scandals swirling around him, and resisting criticism and calls to step down. After all, when it comes to his who-gives-a-damn response, he and his party have taken lessons from the best, running the gamet from Bill and Hillary, Al Sharpton, and Al Franken to images along the lines of Jimmy Carter sitting next to Michael Moore at the 2004 Democrat convention. And, for that matter, running the gamet from our next president, Barack “I-throw-Jeremiah-Wright-under-the-bus” Obama, to vice president, Joe “plagerist-and-FDR-gave-speeches-on-TV” Biden.
Merely the sloppy-ass ethics and no-shame-shrug-if-off mindset that is the trademark of the left and urban-Democrat politics in particular.
Comment by Mark — 12/21/2008 @ 9:03 am
“How can the host ask someone from another perspective to be nice when all that greets him is this?”
– Do unto others, dude. If you believe that the other guy is going about it the wrong way, DON’T sink to his level.
Comment by Icy Texan — 12/21/2008 @ 9:06 am
Hey, Icy, you know how it goes:
1. Say that everyone started out insulting you.
2. When shown your initial posts, ignore your own insulting posts that started off the trollfest.
3. When pressed, claim that your own initial posts weren’t insulting.
The usual thing. Just imagine this character in a bar acting this way. Teeth would scatter like Chiclets.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:14 am
Just ask Patterico to ban the guy. In America, we petition the government for a redress of
grievancestrolls. Think of it as the peaceful internet version of how Stalin dealt with Trotsky.Comment by Official Internet Data Office — 12/21/2008 @ 9:14 am
OIDO, Patterico has asked HL to tone it down. We’ll see.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:18 am
I hope we’re not going to have to chase anyone into Mexico?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 9:19 am
Why must everyone continue to feed the Trolls? They only continue to exist based on rampant attention to their threadjacking – cut off their oxygen, and they eventually die off.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 9:26 am
The lies are amusing or outrageous….but you are spot-on, Dmac.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:34 am
If you don’t feed them they just wander around banging their heads into walls. It’s much more amusing to throw them a bone and watch them smack themselves in the face with it.
Comment by Icy Texan — 12/21/2008 @ 9:55 am
Very well – but that act is way past it’s sell – by date, IMHO.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 10:00 am
I thought HL’s first comment on the site was on another thread wondering how long it would take before he was banned.
He did not come here in good faith. Screw him if that’s his approach.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/21/2008 @ 10:01 am
But see, that just proves their humility!
Comment by Jim Treacher — 12/21/2008 @ 11:12 am
Obama has brought unprecedented shame onto the once-noble Office of the President-Elect.
Comment by Evil Pundit — 12/21/2008 @ 11:13 am
I may be less tolerant of trolls because I have seen them wreck good usenet groups and web sites. That has now happened to Festering Swamp due to trolls and how to deal with them. It’s too bad.
It is particularly annoying when leftist sites just delete comments by anyone disagreeing and don’t even acknowledge the comment was ever submitted.
Illinois politics is corrupt in both parties and Obama is wading right back into the crap bucket with Ray LaHood as Sec Transportation.
President-elect Barack Obama made a fascinating announcement.
Obama selected outgoing Illinois U.S. Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Combine) for the post of secretary of transportation, putting LaHood in charge of Obama’s planned trillion-dollar public works bonanza being sold as a jobs bill.
“Every dollar that we spend, we want it spent on projects that are there, not because of politics, but because they’re good for the American people,” Obama said. “If we’re building a road, it better not be a road to nowhere.”
Not because of politics? What does the great reformer take us for, a bunch of chumbolones?
What Obama forgot to mention is that with LaHood in charge of the roads, they’ll lead to one place:
Bill Cellini.
Cellini, the Republican boss of Springfield who has been indicted in the Blagojevich scandal for allegedly shaking down the producer of the movie “Million Dollar Baby,” is a strong LaHood ally. Cellini runs Sangamon County, and LaHood has enjoyed Cellini’s political support.
They also joined to help oust the last true reformer in Illinois politics, former Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, the Republican who was denied an endorsement from his own state party after he brought federal prosecutors to Illinois with no connection to the bipartisan Combine that runs things here.
Republican money man Cellini is not only the Chicago political connection to machine Democrats and Mayor Richard Daley’s City Hall—and a Blagojevich fundraiser—he’s also the boss of the Illinois Asphalt Pavement Association.
Nobody is dragging Obama into this cesspool. He is doing a swan dive right into the worst state politics in the country, possibly excepting Louisiana.
Comment by Mike K — 12/21/2008 @ 11:19 am
“he’s also the boss of the Illinois Asphalt Pavement Association.”
I wonder if he runs the shovel and grease racket too.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/21/2008 @ 11:20 am
Mike – that choice is only about one thing, and that’s blind loyalty. Obama wants a yes man who knows when to shut the hell up or else what for, and what better place to find such a person than right here?
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 11:24 am
What have I been saying for months now regarding The Combine? There is no discernable difference between the parties here, nor are there any different shades, other than green.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 11:25 am
Dmac, I agree but it is revealing that Obama went right back to his corrupt roots for a yes-man. For one thing, he doesn’t know anyone else in politics. For another, he is comfortable with crooks.
Comment by Mike K — 12/21/2008 @ 11:44 am
Dmac, you are familiar with Obama, and his “context” in Chicago/Illinois politics.
I wonder if BO is up to the task of dealing with genuine political realities, or if he is just a mouthpiece for the Chicago Machine.
Easy for me to have an opinion. Unlike most of us, you know how the fellow operates, as does the rest of the machine.
What do you think? I don’t want to be overly negative, but I am thinking some nasty sailing ahead, when “Hope and Change” becomes “Clinton Cubed” regarding corruption.
Am I wrong?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 12:14 pm
Am I wrong?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 12:14 pm
No you are Blair. Eric Blair.
Comment by love2008 — 12/21/2008 @ 12:50 pm
You know, “Horrible Leftist,” you seem like a smart guy, and I like having smart guys from the left around here. I wonder if there’s a way that I could persuade you to go easy on insulting my commenters. Internet communication makes it easy to be flippant and insult others, and we all fall prey to the temptation, so I don’t mean to sound holier than thou. But is there a way that we can benefit from your arguments and insights, but receive them with a little less attitude mixed in there?
Hey, Patterico, have you ever asked your wingnut commenters to cut it out with the insults? What’s the problem? You people just looooooooooove to dish it out, but as soon as you get it thrown right back, you shout, “Eek! It’s a mouse!” You people are classic grade-school bullies: the first to go crying to the teacher when someone punches back.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 1:40 pm
Thanks for your input, alphie.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 1:43 pm
Oh, I get it. Based on Gateway Pundit, this character is trying to earn “tough guy points” by getting banned. Look at the “crying to the teacher” line. Puh-leeze.
Dmac is right.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 1:46 pm
I’ll bet you are correct, AD. There are probably two of these characters posting under various ‘nyms.
Superbad. Tough. Troof to Powder!
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 1:47 pm
Well, Patrick, you got your answer from the troll.
Comment by Mike K — 12/21/2008 @ 2:19 pm
The goal is to get banned. It would be interesting to learn if this is a New Troll or an Old Troll, however.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 2:32 pm
I must be banned. No self-respecting wingnut website can ever let anyone persist in telling the truth. Do that, and you lose your reason to live!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 2:37 pm
Maybe eighth grade. Emotionally, anyway.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 2:38 pm
Hey, Patterico, have you ever asked your wingnut commenters to cut it out with the insults?
Well, crowd? Have I?
But I sure won’t demand any politeness towards you until you show it to others?
HL is new to this site and comes on insulting everyone and making unfounded assumptions about people. See Jack Klompus’s list above.
He is asking to be insulted, and as far as I’m concerned, commenters are free to give him what he asks for.
I’m not banning him just because he expects to be banned. That doesn’t necessarily mean bad faith on his part; it could mean he is assuming bad faith on my part.
Comment by Patterico — 12/21/2008 @ 2:45 pm
Or is a masochist, Patterico.
We could always be sadists and ignore his/her/its nonsense.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 2:47 pm
Asphyxiation is the best troll medicine.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 2:48 pm
Patterico, no the bad faith is rather evident in his behavior.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 2:50 pm
I don’t ever expect politeness on a wingnut site. It’s not in your gene pool. Nor do I expect good faith or reason. They’ve been bred out of your cohort. Just look at your crowd. No responses to the content of what I wrote. Only requests for a ban. How typical is that?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 2:51 pm
… so says he with the major inferiorities…
Comment by Ray — 12/21/2008 @ 2:53 pm
Well, Hypocritical Leftist has the projection part of his stereotype down right.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 2:54 pm
Isn’t it…interesting…to see that level of projection, incidentally?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 2:59 pm
Projection of that magnitude could only be exceeded in a MultiPlex.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 3:00 pm
No, actually, Eric. I’ve gotten quite bored with the levels of projection displayed by the weak-mined. The utter lack of analysis, or even comprehension that is shows just got old long ago.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 3:01 pm
Horrible Leftist #217:
Patterico has banned 2-3 conservative commenters for insults, etc., that I recall.
Comment by DRJ — 12/21/2008 @ 3:02 pm
On the contrary, we’d like you to please list the number of medications you’re currently under prescription:
Please place a check for the following:
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Vasogil ( )
Thank you for your time.
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 3:03 pm
DRJ, facts are irrelevant.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 3:03 pm
hmmm, can’t see any content either through the dense layer anger smog.
Comment by Ray — 12/21/2008 @ 3:05 pm
HL,
And here’s an example of someone Patterico threatened to ban.
Comment by DRJ — 12/21/2008 @ 3:07 pm
Routinely.
I love it when Leftists whine about getting banned, when that it part and parcel of what they do – Kos, Maha, manbearpig, et al.
The extent of your content was “stupid fargin’ wingnut haters !!!!!!!!!!!”
Why would anyone feel the need to respond to that?! It is simpler and more efficient to point out that you are a bad-faithed twatwaffle.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:09 pm
If you use the Firefox browser, try Troll Blocker for Grease Monkey and they disappear like magic. Of course, the trolls can’t tell when someone isn’t running the program, but is just ignoring them.
Remember trolls, in cyberspace no one can hear you scream. . .with the right software.
Comment by Official Internet Data Office — 12/21/2008 @ 3:16 pm
Hey OIDO, is that sort of like the Republican reality-blocker? You crack me up, fool!
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 3:38 pm
Nope, HL. You have not brought an ounce of “reality” to this place. You serve up cold Leftist pablum and canards, nothing original, nothing new, nothing particularly insightful. You hate. It is what the Left does. It is sad, you fuckin’ twatwaffle.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:41 pm
You serve up cold Leftist pablum and canards, nothing original, nothing new, nothing particularly insightful.
Yeah, but at least I didn’t get my panties in a twist about some fake-o scandal that is, as we speak, turning around to bite the far right wing in the ass. This is actually all for the good, by the way. By the time Obama is sworn in, you and your playmates will be left by the side of the road crying and wondering why mom and dad left you there.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 3:44 pm
Why is it that the fuckin’ trolls like Horrible Asshat, jharphy, TMJ, alphie/sniffles/turnip think that when they show up, and take a shit in someone’s living room, that they will not be treated accordingly?
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:45 pm
Blagojevich wasn’t indicted? A Dem governor and close political ally of Teh One is not involved in a scandal, and Teh Lightworker did not lie about it?
All heat, no light, all the time.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:47 pm
I’m more wonder why they think that making sweeping statements – without providing even a shred of data to back it up – makes the statement true.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/21/2008 @ 3:48 pm
Scott – Not only that, but they have this bizarre notion that they get to show up, lie, and that it is incumbent upon you to prove that they are lying, rather than it being their burden of proof to support their assertions, which they inevitably cannot or will not do.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:52 pm
“No responses to the content of what I wrote.”
HL – Whatever “content” there was in what you wrote was debunked and shoved up your ass sideways last night, cupcake, not that you’d notice.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/21/2008 @ 3:52 pm
Scott, its fantasyland thinking. If they wish real hard, fairies won’t die and Obama’s statements will be truthful.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 3:52 pm
UNICORNS AND FAIRY DUST FOR EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 3:54 pm
“Yeah, but at least I didn’t get my panties in a twist about some fake-o scandal”
HL – Yeah, that’s obvious to us, which is why you came back again today to talk about that fake-o scandal that has got you steamy under the silk.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/21/2008 @ 3:55 pm
Its going to be quite the shock as the country realizes that it traded one of the least corrupt administrations in US history for a scummy pile of Clinton leftovers and Chicago machine politicians.
Comment by SPQR — 12/21/2008 @ 3:56 pm
Blagojevich wasn’t indicted? A Dem governor and close political ally of Teh One is not involved in a scandal, and Teh Lightworker did not lie about it?
Blago was indicted. A Demo gov was involved in a scandal. Whether he was a “close political ally” is in the eye of the beholder, but I’ll even accept that one for purposes of argument. As for Obama lying about it: bullshit. That one’s not going anywhere, but please do keep repeating it because the more you repeat it the dumber you look.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 3:58 pm
HL – Are you getting a vial of Obama sweat for Christmas, one of his cigarette butts perhaps? What holy relic have you managed to procure for yourself?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/21/2008 @ 3:58 pm
Even Baracky has backtracked like 8 times from his original dishonest statement.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 4:00 pm
JD – Backtracking is not lying, that is the Obama way!
Nuance!
O!
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/21/2008 @ 4:02 pm
Did Axelrod, or did he not meet with the Governor to discuss this shortly after the election?
How does Blago know that Baracky is going to give nothing but appreciation if he had not asked them?
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 4:04 pm
Obama made a statement. That statement has been shown to be false. What the hell do YOU call that?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/21/2008 @ 4:10 pm
A funny thing happened on the way to the forum today….
Watched MTP, and I could swear I heard one of the talking
breastsheads say that though they’ve arrested Blago, they still haven’t brought an indictment, that they’ve got 30-days from his arrest to do so.????
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 4:11 pm
AD,
Here’s my best guess:
Under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, a criminal complaint is “a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It must be made under oath before a magistrate judge …” On the other hand, an indictment is issued based on evidence presented to a grand jury.
Felonies with punishment over 1 year must be prosecuted based on an indictment, so the U.S. Attorney will have to obtain and issue a superseding indictment if he plans to prosecute on that basis. However, I don’t think it’s unusual to use a complaint to get an arrest warrant and follow up later with an indictment.
Comment by DRJ — 12/21/2008 @ 4:37 pm
No responses to the content of what I wrote. Only requests for a ban. How typical is that?
HL, there was in fact, no response from you to my linking an insightful AT essay from a Chicago worker that would lend itself well to the issue of this post. Rather instead, you were a smartass and shot back with this and obviously no interest in looking into the issue,
Ah yes, the same American “Thinker” that put its tinfoil hat on and told us how William Ayers was the real author of Obama’s first book, just before detailing how McJerk was going to win the election. Quite the “Thinker”!!
I later offered this up to give correction to the above statement and received no acknowledgment because you were too busy insulting other commenters,
Shy of a confession by those involved, I will not be able to prove conclusively that Obama did not write this book. As shall be seen, however, there are only two real possibilities: one is that Obama experienced a near miraculous turnaround in his literary abilities; the second is that he had major editorial help, up to and including a ghostwriter.
I have not requested you be banned as you have made accusation of, nor had you a response to the content of what I wrote rather instead have had you just be insulting. Yes, you’re right – how typical.
Comment by Dana — 12/21/2008 @ 4:45 pm
Comment by DRJ — 12/21/2008 @ 4:37 pm
Thanks for the clarrification.
I was confused because when I went to Google, I got back a bunch of stuff that was quoting the “74-page indictment”, and yet clearly heard these noted newsies say no indictment, and then commenters here were saying indictment. It was my impression when this all started that we were dealing with a 74-page criminal complaint; but, what the Hell do I know, I’m just a wing-nut from the VRWC Ditto-sphere.
To destroy a civilization, first destroy the language.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/21/2008 @ 4:58 pm
Of course you would call me a plagiarist without any rational explanation or evidence, because all the other half-wits on this site will solemnly nod without question.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/21/2008 @ 5:49 pm
Here comes a blizzard of inanity …
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 5:58 pm
Former owner of a successful bookstore, JD and AD. That’s an important distinction.
I think.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 6:28 pm
Does that mean it is a current owner of an unsuccessful bookstore?
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 6:43 pm
Cook County Sheriff Dart confessed to mail fraud today but I doubt he will be prosecuted.
Comment by nk — 12/21/2008 @ 6:45 pm
nk – Wasn’t Tom Dart a young state Rep. with Blagojevich?
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 6:57 pm
Dana, that “American Thinker” site is a laughable wingnut joke. I rolled on the floor at the article that tried to say that William Ayers wrote Obama’s first book. What a bunch of flaming nutcases! If I was on your side of the fence, I’d be embarrassed. I mean, the Daily Kos is a walk in the park compared to them and some of the other wackos on your side of the fence.
But it will change, because now the spotlight is on. The wingnutosphere will be very different in a few years. You’ll soon realize that you’re going to have to behave yourselves if you hope to win any support.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 7:37 pm
I rolled on the floor at the article
So you’re telling us you have the emotional maturity of a five – year old?
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 7:42 pm
Seriously, what meds are you taking for that condition?
Comment by Dmac — 12/21/2008 @ 7:43 pm
#270,
Stop by again in a couple of years when you realize that the President(snicker)Elect will not pay your mortgage or make your car payment and, worst of all, will not leave Michelle for you.
Comment by nk — 12/21/2008 @ 7:47 pm
I rolled on the floor at the article that tried to say that William Ayers wrote Obama’s first book.
That’s the bowdlerized version of the story. The real story is that Ayers took Juggy’s virginity.
Comment by nk — 12/21/2008 @ 7:53 pm
Again, proving you are a liar, since the author went to great lengths to state explicitly that he was not saying that.
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 9:23 pm
HL can’t read for comprehension. That explains a lot.
Comment by Pablo — 12/21/2008 @ 9:33 pm
Again, proving you are a liar, since the author went to great lengths to state explicitly that he was not saying that.
Yeah, like when the Republican criminal, Richard Nixon, went on at length about all the things that he wanted to be done to the Democrats, and dropped in at the end of the sentence, “But that would be wrong.”
You nutcases just crack me up! Have fun with “American Thinker.” Hey, how about that article about the 10 reasons McJerk was going to win the election? That was a classic of the genre, eh?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 9:51 pm
But Rahmbo stabbing a table while yelling out Clinton oponents and adding “dead” is perfectly innocent, yes?
You really are loony, you know that? Is critical thinking painful for you or something?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/21/2008 @ 9:58 pm
And so mature, too!
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 9:58 pm
I don’t know, Scott. I sense someone with high aspirations currently operating a Slurpee machine at a 7-11.
To be sure, this troll might actually be a highly paid and extremely important captain of industry. But I rather doubt it, based on the likely medicated nature of its posts.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/21/2008 @ 10:00 pm
But Rahmbo stabbing a table while yelling out Clinton oponents and adding “dead” is perfectly innocent, yes?
Look on the the bright side. He didn’t lie his way into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people, cost a trillion bucks, and achieved nothing. It takes a Republican to hate his own country quite that much.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/21/2008 @ 10:26 pm
Who did that?
Comment by JD — 12/21/2008 @ 10:30 pm
Oh who do you think the retard is talking about. Forget that Iraq was the most extensively prosecuted case to go to war in American history, with pages upon pages of reasons for us to move in.
Ignore the 17 different UN resolutions that were violated by Saddam, each one calling for military action should he fail to comply.
Ignore the fact that somewhere around 80-90 percent of the death is Iraq have been cause by suicide bombs, IEDs, and attacks against soft targets like Schools, Churches, and Polling places – which means not by us.
Ignore all of that, JD. This is Leftist Land, where facts, data, and information are unimportant. what matters is how the statement fits with what you THINK! How it makes you FEEL!!
The movie doubt has a very, very accurate line. The preacher says to the (so I call her) antagonist “But you have no proof!”, and she responds “I have my certainty.”
HL and his ilk will certain fail to see the horrible nature of that line.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 6:16 am
I thought you lefties revered JFK. He was a Democrat, BTW.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:16 am
Palate cleanser: Here’s a nice holiday story.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:18 am
Yet another reason they will be embarrassed in a few years, eh HL?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:28 am
Please please please link us to these pages…. and not the ‘wmd’ or the ’smoking mushroom clouds’ that have obviously been proven to be lies.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:31 am
HL: Don’t worry about it, they do this to everybody who has beaten them in a debate.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:32 am
WHAT DEBATE????
Neither of your two God Damn retards have offered a single damn bit of data to back up a single fucking statement you have made!
You make a statement, and then when we disagree, you move on!
BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!!!
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 6:41 am
Yes, we both have. You have forgotten them in your lame simpleton defense mechanism of forgetting your defeats.
Whoa and I don’t accept arguments from blasphemers. I have standards. I will no longer respond to any of your arguments.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:48 am
Here and here. Consider them indexes, and refer to the citations therein.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:50 am
You mean you missed the DoD reports about the tons of chemical and nerve agents they have found, or the tons of Yellow Cake the military has found?
Shocking.
There were 23 separate points in the authorization. you choose to ignore 22 of them. That’s fine.
It just proves what a total and complete retard you are.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 6:51 am
Lies? Whose lies, truthnjustice? Do tell.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:52 am
Don’t sell me that crap, Pablo. You tell me why it was okay that the reasons the American public were told we were attacking Iraq were lies. I anxiously await your reply.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:53 am
http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/
There you go. There is a list of 10 of them. Go ahead and start with a reason it was okay to lie about #1 then continue on through 10.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:54 am
What, the guy has to be more than seven inches long?
Because you sure as hell haven’t shown a bit of these “standards” in any prior debate you’ve hard thus far, moron.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 6:55 am
You asked the question, and I gave you the answer. If you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question.
Answer my question: Whose lies, truthnjustice?
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:57 am
Well, Pablo. Look at the list. Whoever authored and/or perpetrated each of those lies would be the person to whom I am referring. Eh?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 6:59 am
That isn’t a statement of existing fact, that is an expression of policy. It is not a lie, it is a truthful statement of intent. See also, “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.”,
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”, “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”, “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”, etc… Source.
None of these are lies.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 7:06 am
Wow. 10 items that focus on exactly ONE – at best 2 – of the reasons given to Congress in the Authorization for Use joint resolution.
It’s fascinating, really… You’re retarded, but are completely unaware of it.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 7:09 am
#1. Here’s the intelligence.
You can criticize it all you like, but you cannot say that the faithful use of it by those whose use it is intended for are lying. Well, you can, because you’re a nutter. And a liar. But decent, rational people wouldn’t.
#2. Ah, the infamous 16 words. How many times does this have to be debunked?
That’s enough for now. I’m not debunking every lefty lie about “lies” to entertain this particular moonbat. If you’ve got a particular “lie” you like to beat us up with, please elucidate it.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 7:13 am
I think he just misses Saddam, Scott. What those stupid brown people need is a nice iron bootheel on their throats. Aren’t progressives lovely?
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 7:14 am
Surreal. The Troll Twins are actually claiming that they…debate?
Oh, my.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 7:16 am
Troll #1 actually wrote this morning, past the hangover:
If only!
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 7:18 am
I notice that Christopher Scheer over at alternet doesn’t link to anything to substantiate his declarations other than, in one instance, a link to…uh…alternet. Also, his rebuttals to #8 and #9 are outright lies. The rebuttal to #6 doesn’t actually rebut it. Same with #7. That is a big steamy pile of crap. Boring.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 7:22 am
Notice that TMJ is repeating arguments he lost over and over again, over the months. TMJ repeats long debunked myths as though they were fresh arguments of a factual nature.
The dishonesty is rather patent.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 7:27 am
Is it true? Has TMJ finally decided to shut up?
Comment by steve miller — 12/22/2008 @ 7:44 am
Note that they completely ignore the thrust of UN Res 1441, and Saddam’s way out therein, which he declined to exercise.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 7:54 am
Feelings, not facts. Republicans are bad. Democrats are good. It all flows from that mind set.
There are lots of things that Republicans do that upset the conservatives among us. Right?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 8:07 am
Yeah, I wouldn’t worry about proving my case to go to war… I mean I guess it is not that important.
*death toll rises*
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 8:56 am
I think tnj has redefined the word “lie” to suit his personal needs.
Not unusual, but as intellectually dishonest as the rest of his alleged “arguments.”
I think he must have been too young to have argued these points the first time around if he is bringing up this GARBAGE de novo at this date.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 8:58 am
EB- Can’t you read? Look closer at my statement; it was made to one particular individual. I also teach SAT preparation classes, so I may be able to help you with reading comprehension.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 8:58 am
book store = comic book stand
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 8:59 am
Oh, dear God. You probably do teach SAT prep courses!
Since I teach college, that explains a great deal about the freshmen. And not in a way that compliments you at all.
I doubt it anyway. You are just a fraud.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:06 am
And did I mention the whole “troll” thing?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:09 am
hahahhaha. I’m sure you do EB. If you type it enough then maybe it will come true. I can mail you a few pennies to drop into the fountain at the mall. I’m sure you spend a lot of time there checking out new video games.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:12 am
Why don’t tnj and HL post comments at the same time?
Was Levi been sending love notes to Patterico and DRJ asking to be reinstated? Does the ISP match either of the above commenters? HL sounds like a Levi name choice with a changed writing style, but the content is the same.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 9:12 am
You who this character reminds me of, daley?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEqyYUGk4I
But without the charm.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:13 am
You bet, troll. The difference is that I actually am a college professor. It’s your story that keeps changing.
And yeah, Daley, I think you are correct.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:14 am
Eric – I think of the two trolls more of as a ren and stimpy tag team routine.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 9:15 am
This conversation seems to have strayed from the underlying topic, which is that the wingnuts have totally screwed themselves with their accusations of “scandal” over Obama’s relationship with Blagojevich.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/22/2008 @ 9:16 am
Do you have documentation to prove this or are you going to make (yet another) this assertion with no actual evidence. I have had the same back story since I began posting (or at least since dimwits like you have attempted to disprove my arguments by using ad hominem (and inaccurate ad hominem at that).
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:18 am
Teaching you history is not that important. Because you’ll forget it all by tomorrow the time you finish reading it anyway. I note that I’ve dismantled 6 of the 10 “lies” (and that was just the obvious stuff…again, you’re not really worth the effort to go through the list) and I also note that you have exactly no rebuttal. You also cannot elucidate an original thought as to these “lies” you’re decrying, but yet can’t help whipping that dead horse.
Fail.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 9:18 am
I see Hypocritical Leftist missed the news today.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 9:19 am
tomorrowStupid HTML.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 9:19 am
Good call, daley!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO-_n0NlmA
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:20 am
Wow.
Just wow.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:21 am
Hey! Ren and Stimpy were funny.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 9:23 am
Actually, you know what, trollboy?
Patterico has my genuine contacts and background. He knows where I am a college professor, what I teach, and so forth.
Why don’t you send him your bona fides via e-mail? All of the claims you have made, incidentally. As I say, I think you are a slacker undergrad out to feel all tough over the internet.
But unlike you, I can admit when I am wrong.
So send it in to Patterico, who is 100% reliable, and can confirm that you are who you say you are.
If you do, great.
If not…well…no real surprise.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:26 am
You can just tell me where you teach now and we won’t need the middle man.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:31 am
You first, troll. But I am not surprised you won’t write to Patterico.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:35 am
Credentials aside, TMJ’s credibility is destroyed by his own writings.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 9:37 am
That sentence is grammatically flawed, genius. As a college professor I believe you should be proud of the University (non-accredited junior college) for which you work.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:37 am
Still waiting for you to write to Patterico.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 9:39 am
Exactly. The shoe does not feel so good on the other foot.
I think your suggestion is an exercise in stupidity. I don’t know patterico, so why would I trust him with my information?
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:43 am
Daley, TnJ and HL are the “Scrapiron” George Gdatski and Kenny (?), the lovable losers wrestlers of the Midwest circuit before the WWF took off.
I’ll say TnJ may be an English prof or grad student at some backwater college that can’t afford competant staff.
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 9:43 am
TMJ is a fuckin’ liar. Thanks, EB, for having that proven so elegantly.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 9:47 am
Very creative, PCD, to repeat an almost identical claim I had just made against EB. I guess we’re all supposed to clap now because you are the ‘fat kid’ underdog who had made an effort (albeit a lackluster one).
*clap clap clap*
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 9:52 am
S’ok. He could just look up your IP and we can figure out where you work from there…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 9:54 am
But I do think it is cute how it is trying to goad you into putting your information out there in the public sphere. Since it has shown no history of good faithed behavior, and has clearly demonstrated a history of overtly bad faithed behavior, it is laughable to think that it would follow through, or use that information in any productive or meaningful way. It really seems to be amping up teh krazy.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 9:57 am
This is all just too funny…
HL reminds me of one of our old trolls who claimed to be married with children, and the proprietor of a hugely successful import/export entersprise who spent half of his time travelling to meet clients, both foreign and domestic, and when he wasn’t travelling he was on the golf course; but, who didn’t have a clue about many points of foreign trade, or much of anything else, for that matter.
tnj is just another juvenile pest.
We used to label them “flies”, since all they seemed to be able to do was to eat, shit, and bother people.
tnj, as to your plagerism…that is an issue you have with the “other” tnj, is it not?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 9:59 am
That village that is missing its idiot is still looking for you, TMJ. Why don’t you just go back?
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:00 am
Probably the best cap on TMJ’s “reputation” was when he linked to a piece on Lew Rockwell’s website to support his claim of what a tyrant George W. Bush is.
That was definitely the masterpiece.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 10:01 am
TnJ, I’ve run in to jerks like you so many times. First off, they were the dishonest staff at colleges who forced their students to buy their authored books and workbooks at inflated prices to provide themselves a fat profit over and above their salary.
I also dealt with a grad student who pimped himself on the old Fox News boards about a story on how Bubba couldn’t have stained Lewinsky’s blue dress. Yes, that disreputable NBC/CNBC/MSNBC ran with the jerk until the blue dress surfaced and the DNA test confirmed it was Bubba’s.
You are just like these jerks. You are a boil on the posterior of society. Boils like you need to be lanced.
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:05 am
This is the clown that called everyone homophobic racist clowns in one of its first comments, and is shocked that it has been treated in the same manner which it asked to be treated from that point on.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:10 am
Yeah, that was funny, JD. Three bits of serious information.
1. There are indeed crazy people on the internet. Folks in the educational business (putting aside the very strong chance that TMJ is NOT a high school teacher, let alone a degree holder in engineering) should be VERY careful about publicizing their “true name” (to borrow from Vernor Vinge). I personally have had trolls try to cause me trouble at work, by calling administration people at my institution and making bizarre claims. So a pseudonym is wise.
Academia on any level is not a very open place. Have a look at http://www.thefire.org to see what I mean.
So if TMJ actually is a teacher, unlikely as that is, he is very smart NOT to publicize his actual contact information. I honestly don’t think anyone here would cause him trouble at work, but as I say, it has happened to me on other blogs.
2. Patterico is 100% reliable. I trust him completely, and anyone who disagrees with his commitment to protecting his posters would need to show me evidence to the contrary. My own experience argues that he is extremely ethical and responsible…particularly when I do not agree with him. That is the most important measure of the worth of someone, I think.
3. It is interesting to see the parallels between word choice used by specific trolls who have recently been banned. Maybe TMJ is a new one. Maybe a “regifted” troll.
But a troll he/she/it is, regardless.
Same song, different verse.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 10:12 am
I didn’t call you racist. Please do not put words in my mouth. If you’re going to attribute something to me I would strongly implore you to get it right.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 10:16 am
Bull fucking shit, you did not call us racists. Just this week, you had the temerity to say that sometime after Lincoln, Republicans decided that African Americans no longer deserved basic human rights. If there was ever a more perfect example of your abject perfidy and dishonesty, I do not think this one could be surpassed. You are as mendoucheous as they come.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:19 am
I would strongly implore you to remove your head from your ass, but history has shown that you are comfortable in that position.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:20 am
PCD (and all others):
You are really having trouble grasping this. I will say this one last time, so that we are perfectly clear. After this one time, I refuse to correct you any more.
I am NOT a college professor.
Yo no soy un profesor colegial.
Je ne suis pas un professeur de collège.
Ich bin kein Hochschulprofessor.
Non sono un professore di università.
Ik ben geen universiteitsprofessor.
Я не профессор колледжа.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 10:20 am
TMJ is immune to cognitive dissonance. Otherwise, its head would have assploded after typing #347.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:21 am
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:19 am
You’re right, I did say that. But, based on the Republican definition of racism, denying someone basic human rights does not qualify.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 10:21 am
I am NOT a college professor.
Duh. Of that there was no doubt.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:22 am
I am not going down the rabbit hole on this one. You lied about that, there is no basis in fact for what you said. It is a picture perfect example of Leftist claims of Republican racism that you leveled against every Republican, not just me. And now you are trying to change historical meanings of words to avoid the outrageous charges that you made.
You, ma’am, are a liar. A perfidous mendoucheous liar. Of the highest order.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:28 am
But, it does know how to use internet translation websites…
But, why just old, dead European languages?
Does it have no respect for our brothers from the Orient, South Asia, the Middle-East, or Africa?
Who’s being the Racist now?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 10:33 am
This is better, AD:
Yeah, it is Internet based, but it is still true. And not Eurocentric.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 10:42 am
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 10:42 am
Vietnamese?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 10:52 am
Yes
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 10:54 am
And not terribly good Vietnamese, sadly. Best I could do.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 10:54 am
TnJ, my how nasty you are when you are backed into a corner of your own creation!
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 11:18 am
PCD, either it is a troll, in which case business as usual.
But if it is genuinely a high school teacher? Truly shameful.
So I rather hope it is just a troll.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 11:23 am
Eric,
If TnJ isn’t some loser posting from his Mother’s basement, but some teacher at some institution, TnJ’s conduct indicts the profession.
Eric, sometime, I’d be interested in hearing how one can convert their curiosity about sciences like Genetics into a job without going back through the Undergrad mill. You sound like you’d have some valuable input.
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 11:34 am
I hate the union card aspect of the academic business. I don’t know your background, PCD, or your goals.
If you have something like a business or engineering background, the Keck Graduate Institute (part of the Claremont Colleges in SoCal) has a remarkable MBA program that mixes engineering, business, and biotech.
I love genetics, since it was my training.
Let me know more about your interests, if you care to. I’ll help how I can.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 11:41 am
Referring to my #323 to truthnjustice:
2 hours and 40 comments later, and nothing has changed. This is a pretty lousy troll.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 11:42 am
PCD, please keep in mind that most of the true giants in genetics and molecular biology were not actually trained in biology. They were actually physicists: Max Delbruck, Matt Meselson, Carl Woese, The list is quite long.
So it isn’t a closed shop. A lot of folks come into genetics these days from mathematics (via bioinformatics).
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 11:43 am
365, Eric, it is my daughter asking. She’s a USC grad in the cinematic arts. Until she got the famous postcard, she had been thinking of pursuing the hard sciences like Anthropology, Paleontology, and Archeology. The kid had a 1550 SAT and 33 ACT. She’s reading Genitics books FOR FUN now!
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 11:51 am
So she’s insane, is what you’re telling us…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 11:57 am
I got a 1520 SAT and could not understand a genetics book to save my life.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 11:59 am
Those 30 points REALLY make a difference.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 12:06 pm
No shit. 1520 gets you to Maxim. 30 more points gets you to genetics.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 12:07 pm
Scott, I’m the one that is insane, not her. I sheltered her too much as a child.
Gee, I feel like a cretin with you guys. I was only a 1330 SAT and a 31 ACT. I forget what my ASVAB was, but the recruiter accused me of cheating.
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 12:14 pm
My ASVAB sure a female Marine Corporal when I was at MEPS Chicago… Her and two Privates were trying to harass me and my buddy who were alone in the commissary having a soda as we waiting for the swearing in ceremony…
We were, or course, going into the Navy, so I guess she felt compelled… Sadly, she picked ASVAB score to decide things. My buddy had gotten into the 95th percentile… She then demanded *I* tell her mine…
99th percentile.
Never did find out her’s. The speed with which she and her flunkies made it outta there, I suspect it was less.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 12:35 pm
My ASVAB got me into the Defense Language Institute.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 12:38 pm
They keep changing the SAT, so that scores in the 60s are actually higher than the ones in the 70s, etc.
They are just numbers. And trust me, I have met absolute blithering idiots (who literally have tried to electrocute themselves in my lab) with very high SAT or ACT scores.
Which reminds me: why do we call it “common” sense? It sure doesn’t seem common to me.
Let me know what your daughter is reading, genetics wise. If she wants to change fields, there are ways involving M.S. degrees. I know some folks at Cal State Northridge, which has a great Genetic Counseling program.
The point is that students (well, everyone) convinces themselves that actions they take completely close doors. Not always true.
I remember a woman I met in graduate school. She was a technician in the lab next door. She had been a Dance major at UCLA. Became an “exotic dancer” (and she was very assertive about that job as not being a hooker). Because she didn’t get married, didn’t have children, and didn’t have a drug habit (the 80s, remember), she had saved up quite a bit of money. She knew that she couldn’t be an exotic dancer forever, having just hit 30.
She wanted to become a physician. No science classes, at all, since high school. So, she worked as a tech (as she told me, she liked to keep busy), and took classes two at a time at San Jose State. Got her premed requirements in. Applied to medical schools.
Mind you, I don’t know what she wrote for her personal statement. I didn’t ask. She was more than a little scary in her…directness.
Anyway, she got into an osteopathic medical school, and is currently an experienced and well respected emergency room physician.
Getting back to the point, PCD: if your daughter wants to change fields, she can. It just depends on how much she wants to make it happen.
Best regards,
EB
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 12:41 pm
Not bad. I coulda been a Navy Nuke, had I not decided around week 5 that the military might not be for me.
Gimme a break. I’d just freaking turned 20… By that, I mean I was at bootcamp when I turned 20.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/22/2008 @ 12:41 pm
JD – did you end up going to DLI? I’m hoping to take the DLAB after BCT. I’m doing 37F Psyops Army Reserve. Shipping soon!
Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/22/2008 @ 12:47 pm
Eric – You have some interesting people in your orbit.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 12:47 pm
I’m pretty sure tnj/HL don’t have ASVAB scores.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 12:47 pm
Maybe PSATs?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 12:51 pm
375, Scott, I signed up for Navy Nuke and Subservice. 2 things killed that for me. 1. I had Rheumatic Fever in 1960. 2. I’m color blind in the Red-Green spectrum.
If I could have gotten a waiver for #1 (a Lt. Cmdr Dr. in the Navy Reserve was willing to give it to me), I could have gone to sonar school. My hearing was good to 15000+ cycles, my Morse wasn’t bad either. (I know, that’s radio, but that was in demand at the time, too.)
Comment by PCD — 12/22/2008 @ 12:57 pm
Maybe PSATs?
Periodic urine tests?
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/22/2008 @ 1:05 pm
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 12:41 pm
Actually, we agree on something. As a tutor I can tell you we basically tell the students that the SAT measures how well you take the SAT and nothing else. While it does take a certain specialized test-taking ability (and certainly some intelligence) to achieve a higher score, with enough time I can raise a student’s score by at least 200 points.
I am not sure how they did the scores in the 60s, but there has not been any change in the frequency of scores of the SAT since I have been tutoring. It is a strict bell-curve norm-based exam centered at 500 points per section, yielding a median of 1500 on today’s exam (3 sections).
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 3:27 pm
A BIO…(update)…
truthnjustice
Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
Mechanical Engineer;
Bookstore owner;Plagiarist;
SAT tutor.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 3:36 pm
For anyone who is interested:
http://ftp.ets.org/pub/res/researcher/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf
Not that I trust ETS very much. But still.
Short version: if you took the SATs prior to about 1990, you should add 100 points to your score (70 verbal, 30 math) to see how you compare to today’s scores.
Not that it matters, frankly.
They have recentered several times in the recent past.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/22/2008 @ 3:44 pm
A bio:
Another Drew
Tax cheat.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 3:45 pm
AD, I think you left off “Slanderer”.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 3:47 pm
Ah yes, thank you.
A bio:
Another Drew
Tax cheat
Slanderer
General POS
SPQR
Mussolini adorer
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 3:51 pm
A BIO…(updateX2)…
truthnjustice aka liesntyranny:
Licensed teacher of physical sciences, grades 7-12;
Mechanical Engineer;
Bookstore owner(denied by subject w/o substantiating data);Plagiarist – uses the same Net handle as another;
SAT tutor;
Slanderer.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 4:29 pm
How am I supposed to prove that I don’t own a book store to a stranger online?
This is why I love you in the way that George loves Lennie in ‘Of Mice and Men’. You are just a big oaf who loves to pet soft things. Go on and pet them… sail on.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 4:34 pm
A petting reference…interesting. It has apparently run out of Jergens.
Comment by Dmac — 12/22/2008 @ 5:32 pm
It puts on the lotion or it gets the hose again.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 5:34 pm
Come on guys, can’t you give a Wanker a break?
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 5:43 pm
AD, uh no, I don’t give breaks to wankers that call me a fascist.
Comment by SPQR — 12/22/2008 @ 5:49 pm
Well, I guess that is the marked difference between a black-hearted member of the VRWC, and a compassionate, caring member of the multi-culti world:
We of the Right have standards!
Comment by Another Drew — 12/22/2008 @ 5:51 pm
I see that TMJ is still up to the same mendoucheous behavior as always …
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 6:08 pm
Nine hours, 73 comments later and still truthnjustice has nothing to say, aside from insulting people. You suck, troll. Shouldn’t you be posting at Fark or something?
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:30 pm
You people certainly spend enough time jerking each other off, don’t you?
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/22/2008 @ 6:30 pm
And then there’s HL with his trademark trenchant commentary. Back to Democratic Underground with you.
Comment by Pablo — 12/22/2008 @ 6:34 pm
That is not even good trollery, HL. You are a hack of a troll. How sad.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 6:44 pm
Well, you call someone else (HL) a hack when you can’t come up with a new insult? That insult is not really that clever. It is dumb, and not actually a word. Since it isn’t a word I choose to give it my own definition. From now on mendoucheous means clever, charming, and very handsome, and, due to a glitch in language, can never be used in a sarcastic way.
Thanks for the compliment, Junior Detective!
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 7:55 pm
From now on mendoucheous means clever, charming, and very handsome, and, due to a glitch in language, can never be used in a sarcastic way.
Typical leftist. Simply redefine any words you don’t like, even ones that don’t exist, because in real time you would never be described as clever, charming, and very handsome.
Comment by Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") — 12/22/2008 @ 8:06 pm
You do not need to be clever when stating a fact. A hack is a hack. No need to embellish. You are a liar and a fraud. An abject unapologetic liar. A twatwaffle. A barking moonbat. But most of all, you are a sad pathetic little person.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 8:06 pm
Paul – I have often said that Leftist dictionaries come without the actual definitions, so they can make shit up as they go along.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 8:08 pm
Paul: One cannot redefine words that have no definition. You don’t know what the prefix re- means. Just like a conservacrazy to assume without looking things up.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 8:25 pm
TMJ – We will keep it simp-le. One syl-la-ble words so you can un-der-stand it. You are a li-ar. A sad pa-thet-ic li-ar.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 8:33 pm
That was a poor attempt to cover for your silly friend. But, you need help at times too, so I understand why you are helping him out.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 8:36 pm
You are a liar.
Comment by JD — 12/22/2008 @ 8:46 pm
Good comeback.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/22/2008 @ 8:56 pm
Stop slurping so loud, fellas. You’ll disturb the horses.
Comment by Horrible Leftist — 12/22/2008 @ 9:39 pm
Nah, it’s ok…
Those two can’t post here anymore…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 12/23/2008 @ 5:30 am
Holy cow! Truthnjustice had things to do on a Sunday! Someone call the cops!
I heartily disagree that you tore apart any of the 10 lies, let alone six of them.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/24/2008 @ 5:48 am
You were posting right along, you clown. You’ve now made 16 comments on this thread since my #323. And your excuse is that you were busy? Doing what, posting comments on this thread?
And here you are now, sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming “LA LA LA LA LA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!” (known in truthnjustice-speak as “hearty disagreement”) instead of rebutting anything in #299, 301 or 305.
You suck at this, troll.
Comment by Pablo — 12/24/2008 @ 6:00 am
At least we agree that Scheer is a liar.
Comment by Pablo — 12/24/2008 @ 6:06 am
I don’t have time to read through your drivel. Summarize your six ‘disagreements’ here and I’ll look them over, on my own time.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/24/2008 @ 6:36 am
I don’t have time to read through your drivel.
Lazy punk.
Comment by Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") — 12/24/2008 @ 6:39 am
Whiskey for my friends and Beer for my horses!
Comment by PCD — 12/24/2008 @ 6:40 am
One cannot redefine words that have no definition.
Doing something and denying it doesn;t make it any less true, buddy boy.
You don’t know what the prefix re- means.
JD used the term long before you showed up. You hijacked it like you do comment threads; typical.
Just like a conservacrazy to assume without looking things up.
That’s rich coming from a commenter who never backs up radical assertions with any evidence.
Pablo’s right; you suck at this.
Comment by Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") — 12/24/2008 @ 6:47 am
This one is Hall of Fame material, and not in a good way.
Comment by Pablo — 12/24/2008 @ 7:08 am
Comment by Paul (creator of “Staunch Brayer”) — 12/24/2008 @ 6:47 am
Coming from you, that is a compliment.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/24/2008 @ 8:11 am
Comments 299, 301 and 305, troll. Put up or shut up.
Comment by Pablo — 12/24/2008 @ 8:24 am
Pablo – It’s racist, homophobic and anti-semitic to ask tnj to defend his baseless assertions.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/24/2008 @ 8:33 am
Hey, daley: it is “off to the homestead.” Does that suggest anything to you?
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/24/2008 @ 8:40 am
And Pablo, this is similar to his irritation that people would doubt who he is…followed by a refusal to prove it to Patterico while maintaining his anonymity. Then insisting that other people need to prove who they are.
It’s just a juvenile game.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/24/2008 @ 8:44 am
“Does that suggest anything to you?”
25 or under.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/24/2008 @ 8:52 am
I still think a student. And I think it posts here under more than one name.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/24/2008 @ 9:05 am
I have said it before and I will say it again: just because you wish something were untrue that doesn’t mean it is.
Comment by truthnjustice — 12/20/2008 @ 10:07 pm
Which is what exactly?
Comment by Gerald A — 12/24/2008 @ 9:06 am
And remember that this is the cat who pokes fun at double negatives.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/24/2008 @ 9:08 am
Gerald – It was going for the inverse of the idea that we often claim that the Left simply wishes things to be true, and by stating it over and over and over again, it becomes true, in their minds. At any rate, it is a foolish way to go through life.
Comment by JD — 12/24/2008 @ 9:10 am
Eric – Obviously doesn’t live far from the nest. That’s nice.
Comment by daleyrocks — 12/24/2008 @ 9:17 am
Yep. That is hardly how a former bookstore owner, SAT prep boffin, and master teacher with extensive experience lives.
A student. Occam’s Razor suggests a student. I could be wrong, of course. But if I am, the truth might be still sadder.
Comment by Eric Blair — 12/24/2008 @ 9:25 am