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2/11/2019

NeverTrump Conservative: Trump Has Earned My Vote In 2020 Election

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:36 am

[guest post by Dana]

This is rather surprising coming from Erick Erickson, who adopted the hashtag #NeverTrump in 2016 and subsequently voted third party in the presidential election. While admitting he still has concerns about Trump’s character (which hasn’t changed), he explains why he will be voting for him in the next election. He now says “there is much to like” about Trump and his policies.

President Trump delivered on tax reform. He delivered on regulatory rollbacks. He delivered on undermining Obamacare. He delivered on moving the embassy in Israel. He delivered on withdrawal from the Paris Accord. He delivered on withdrawal from the Iranian agreement. He delivered on shifting American foreign policy focus to the Western Hemisphere to deal with Venezuela, Cuba, and other hotspots. He delivered on solid executive appointments, including to the judiciary.

I have ongoing concerns on tariffs, the national direction on North Korea, and other issues, but even with George W. Bush I had issues. No President is perfect. Some are badly flawed. In 2020, we’ll be asked to choose between a set of sinners and must decide which direction we want to go as a nation.

I chose a third path in 2016 and the nation decided otherwise. Now, as we head into 2020, it is clear the paths forward are still between the Republicans and Democrats. The path of opting out or protesting now to me seems irrelevant as we have a President who is no longer a hypothetical against any of a host of Democrats who too extreme for the nation.

The contrast that he sees between the current administration’s direction for the country and that of the Democrats was significant in making his decision:

We have three years on which to judge President Trump’s administration and vision for the country. We also have lots of real world examples of where the Democrats want to head.

We have a party that is increasingly hostile to religion and now applies religious tests to blocking judicial nominees. We have a party that believes children can be murdered at birth. We have a party that would set back the economic progress of this nation by generations through their environmental policies. We have a party that uses the issue of Russia opportunistically. We have a party that has weaponized race, gender, and other issues to divide us all while calling the President “divisive.” We have a party that is deeply, deeply hostile to large families, small businesses, strong work ethics, gun ownership, and traditional values. We have a party that is more and more openly anti-Semitic.

The Democrats have increasingly determined to let that hostility shape their public policy. They are adamant, with a religious fervor, that one must abandon one’s deeply held convictions and values as a form of penance to their secular gods.

This seems to go to the heart of the matter for Erickson:

My friends in the center-right coalition who are flirting with Democrats are, more often than not, not really socially conservative. But I am. That party offers me no home and is deeply hostile to people of faith. The President has shown himself to not share my faith convictions any more than the other side, but the President has shown he is willing to defend my faith convictions and is supportive of them.

I could stay home or vote third party as I did in 2016. But what will that get me? The ability to say “not my problem” or the self-assurance that I didn’t get dirty in having to choose? I have many Christian friends who, when I have discussed this, tell me I should just stay home and turn my back. Both parties, they tell me, are profoundly corrupt. And they’re right. But I am not looking for a messiah in politics and don’t have some religious sentiment tied to my vote. While I understand and accept the sincere conviction of some of my friends who have decided they will just sit out the process, I have decided otherwise. In 2016, we knew who the Democrats were and were not sure of who Donald Trump was. Now we know both and I prefer this President to the alternative.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

Comments (148)

148 Responses to “NeverTrump Conservative: Trump Has Earned My Vote In 2020 Election”

Welp.
Dana (023079) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:36 am
swallow it down

what a jagged little pill

it feels so good

swimming in your stomach
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:00 am
Isn’t Erick Erickson the guy whose mother stopped cooking Asian children for Christmas dinner because of Pearl Harbor?

And isn’t he the guy who told us that the House Republicans were ready to impeach Trump if they lost the House?

I hope Howard Schultz runs.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:06 am
Heh.
Dana (023079) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:16 am
This essentially concedes that the ends do in fact justify the means. We don’t need a reality TV President with questionable ethics who doesn’t bother with the intricacies of policy and relishes finding ways to exacerbate the political divide…and lower the quality of political discourse.

Erickson lists Trump’s accomplishments but he fails to examine how many of these items survive a Democrat takeover….and he fails to consider what Trump’s approval ratings (during good economic times no less!) portends for 2020. You can have short-term victories while losing long term. Yes, Democrats will most likely over-reach…and they seem to be getting more and more misguided….but at the end of the day, people want to be proud of their President….and trust that the President will rise above political rhetoric and ideological rigidity….and do the people’s business.

Maybe neither party is ready to grow up…but that doesn’t mean that I need to reward them for it. Trump has a ways to go to earn my vote…
AJ_Liberty (3c84de) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:25 am
Erickson didn’t open a comment thread in his post, which is itself revealing.
Paul Montagu (0eb929) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:29 am
Erick Erickson is a conservative I have very little respect for. Not that he knows or cares who I am or needs or wants anything resembling my approbation. I have more respect for happyfeet, who has a point of view and is consistent. EE will denounce Trump when it suits him but otherwise cling to the great leader’s nether regions like a balled up, grey, stanky piece of used tissue. Also I dislike his conflation of “Faith” and politics, but that’s not just him that’s kind of what happens when you mix politics and religion. Anyway, pick a side dude.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:34 am
I hope Schultz learns how not to burn coffee beans.
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:36 am
I wonder if burning the beans was an innate response by SB with regard to exotically/organic sourced coffee beans (more likely during its inception years), much like one might/should burn raccoon or fish from a polluted lake.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:44 am
Erickson makes a good case, and it’s essentially the position of many people here.

But I disagree with his evaluation of Trump’s foreign policy, I think he overstates the Leftward progression of the Democrats (or more precisely understates the opposition among the “old guard”), ignores the fact that on Trump’s signature issues, immigration and trade, Trump’s policies are bad for the country…and above all he ignores the lack of integrity and lack of competence that seem fundamental to Trump’s character and that comoletely undermine most of his “accomplishments”.
Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:49 am
ubl – He burns it because most people use cream and sugar to hide the flavor of coffee.
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:04 am
“Erickson makes a good case, and it’s essentially the position of many people here.”

And a position many of us have held for some time.
Pouncer (df6448) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:25 am
When you consider how the progressive wing of the party has pulled the party farther left than when the 2016 election took place, Erickson has a point. The Democratic party of 2019 (and thus ’20) are not the Democratic party of 2016. There is no longer any real effort being made at moving more toward the middle, rather all of the leading candidates for 2020 have already embraced the Green New Deal and the progessive policies wants of what was once a small faction of the party. How that will help or hurt them in the election is up in the air.
Dana (023079) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:37 am
Now is the time for all good democrats to change parties and let the garbage die.
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:49 am
The Wall Street Journal today has an editorial which might as well be entitled:

President Barack Obama, Where Are You?

They say he is the only person who can save the Democratic Party from destroying itself – and they don’t think that’s good for the country.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-democrats-identity-meltdown-11549836657 (behind apaywall)

A bottom of the page editorial seems to hold out some hope for Amy Klobuchar as a possible reasonable Democratic candidate. (I’d agree too, she is better than most of them – and agood siign of it is the attacks on her)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-case-for-amy-klobuchar-11549836532

They really want to find somebody else besides Donald Trump.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:52 am
Why not hold out some hope for Marco Rubio?

Maybe Donald Trump will destroy himself with the shutdown; this time in order to unjustly jail harmless people.

But you have to argue the contrary position, and not rely on lies and obfustications, like the democrats seem to be doing till now.

Amy Klobuchar is, of course a sort of fake moderate. Not that she’s extreme -= she’s just fraudulant. I remember how she played along in the Kavanauigh heairng, quesitoning I think CBF about how a psychiatrist’s notes are considereed good evidence – but the truth was, the notes contradicted what she said! But at the time the time nobody ahd access to the notes. You could only infer it by carefully studying the public record.

Not enough people read, or understood about the published clues in the Washington Post and about how she was for a long time uncertain about the year

It was not only that the notes aaid 4 boys rather than two boys (!) That was explained away as a mistake on the part of the therapist – there were four boys at the house it was said) – but also that the incident happened in her “late teens”

She had to make it 1982 because Kavanaugh was gone by the summer of 1983.

I wonder why Justin Fairfax has now conceded in both cases that something happened. He;d be on safer ground simply denying everything, or avoiding going on the record, and not confirming anything. That’s the sort of thing Bill Clinton did. Probably his lawyers are afraid of a blue dress.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:52 am
How that will help or hurt them in the election is up in the air.

It should hurt them with any GOP candidate a shade less repellent than Trump. Trump is the Democrats’ secret weapon in 2020.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:54 am
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:06 am

I hope Howard Schultz runs

No, he’s not good enough, and he may be as dumb as Ralph Northam. Dumbness has a way of revealing itself in a presidential campaign.

Michael Bloomberg would do better as a third part candidate

And Governor Methusaleh, also known as Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) – could win. He could win the Democratic nomination.

For someone else to win the Republican nomination, Donald Trump would have to destroy himself.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:57 am
Michael Bloomberg is from the same haunch of New York values as Trump sliced from the left.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:01 am
Wish we could vote for no mothertrucking mooslums in Congress
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:04 am
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 9:04 am

He burns it because most people use cream and sugar to hide the flavor of coffee.

I gave a relative some deluxe small-lot coffee from my favorite local roaster, which does its special beans in relatively light roasts – so you can taste the beans, not the burn. I worried that it might be too light for his taste, but turns out he loves the coffee so much he doesn’t even need to add cream!
Radegunda (694c3c) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:05 am
Of course, there’s the famous pivot. Run for the extremists (Hillary only needed 17 million versus Bernie’s 13 million last time) in the primaries, and then move to the center for November.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:07 am
He’s right and it’s why I voted for Trump in 2016 in spite of his callous behavior and repulsive personal life. They’ve taken the entirely wrong lessons from Thomas Hobbes, just like they have from Marx, Mao, and Stalin.

In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
NJRob (4d595c) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:11 am
Radegunda – Cool beans bro!! I roast mostly inbetween first and second crack depending on bean variety.
mg (c46c51) — 2/11/2019 @ 10:17 am
On the subject of coffee beans and Starbucks’ burnt roasts, some of you might be interested in this story from Martin Diedrich, formerly of the Diedrich Coffee chain bought and shuttered by Starbucks. I heard it from him at a lecture a decade ago:

Alfred Peet, the namesake of Peet’s Coffee, was a successful tea merchant in San Francisco with no coffee experience. One day, he was offered a shipment of coffee beans at the docks that he deemed too good to turn down. Knowing only that he had to roast the beans before sale, he figured that he couldn’t go wrong turning them black. Peet developed enough of a regional reputation that when the original Starbucks founders decided to open a shop, they visited him to learn the trade. Because Peet’s beans were burned, they emulated him. By the time they really understood that this was not actually what well-informed coffee drinkers wanted, they’d already expanded enough and developed a brand identity around that roast, that they felt they couldn’t go back on it.

Mr. Diedrich is unable to use his own name in the coffee business, because Starbucks owns the rights to it as a trademark, but he is not at all bitter, and operates an exceptional coffeehouse named Kean in Orange County. His roasts are all light, which he credits to learning from Ernesto Illy, of the Italian espresso family.
Eliot (32bbca) — 2/11/2019 @ 11:33 am
Thanks, Eliot. Always wondered why the burnt beans.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/11/2019 @ 11:42 am
the parable of the beans doesn’t inspire confidence really
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 12:00 pm
@AJ_Liberty

You sound as though earning your vote is the same as earning your business to buy coffee (to use the Starbucks example). They aren’t. Voting is almost always a binary choice, and, barring something unforeseen, the next election will be a choice between Trump and a left-wing Democrat that would be happy to enact the Green New Deal. For all Trump’s faults (and there are many), the latter would be much worse for the country, IMO.

So as of now, I would vote for Trump, although I agree that it comes with a lot of baggage, and I am not happy about it at all.
Bored Lawyer (998177) — 2/11/2019 @ 12:02 pm
Desperately seeking relevance.

The train left the station long ago, and he’s still standing on the platform.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/11/2019 @ 12:15 pm
trump is going to be losing a lot of voters thanks to tax break for wealthy corporatists. working class is seeing the taxes go up and there refunds go down thanks to paul ryan’s tax cuts for the wealthy. people who made the same as last year are seeing their taxes rise in some cases by thousands of dollars. republicans robin hoods in reverse they steal from the poor to give to the rich. reagan used to call himself reaganhood when he stole from the poor thru higher social security taxes to give tax cuts to the rich.
lany (d8bb98) — 2/11/2019 @ 12:32 pm
His roasts are all light, which he credits to learning from Ernesto Illy, of the Italian espresso family.

Damn it, I gave away as a Christmas gift a 5 dollar tin of Illy (purchased from HomeGoods) to the wife of an ex-cousin in law.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/11/2019 @ 12:59 pm
Nobody’s going to enact the Green New Deal – it’s impossible, as well facing an obstacle in the Senate even without a filibuster – it wasn’t the filibuster that killed the Waxman-Markey legislation to slow the rising of the oceans and begin to heal the planet (Markey’s back again) but parts of it might be enacted.

I would hate just a ban on plastic bags.

For more background:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/2454

https://grist.org/article/2009-06-03-waxman-markey-bill-breakdown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Clean_Energy_and_Security_Act

https://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-economic-consequences-waxman-markey-analysis-the-american-clean-energy-and
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 2/11/2019 @ 1:03 pm
Hulu is teaming with Marvel to make four separate animated series based on comic book characters like Howard the Duck.

Director Kevin Smith and comics Chelsea Handler and Patton Oswalt are among the people who have signed deals with the streaming service to help produce the cartoons. Smith is taking on the Howard the Duck series.

this sounds like it’s gonna be as maximally vile and stupid as they can possibly make it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 2:13 pm
@33. …as all comic book characters are, Mr. Feet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/11/2019 @ 2:28 pm
some of them are really good ones for example

there was this one
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 3:03 pm
@Bored Lawyer: “Voting is almost always a binary choice”

No I actually do think a candidate needs to earn my vote….or I sit out…or write-in…or find the least objectionable 3rd party who I respect. My vote says that I am attesting to a candidate’s qualifications to act as President of the U.S. and that I am supporting his/her primary agenda items. Trump and Hillary failed this test..spectacularly…and for the first time in my life, I did a write-in vote for someone whose character and agenda I did in fact respect. I never slept sounder…and never felt that I wasted my vote or abdicated my duty. I now don’t have to pretzel myself up defending the indefensible and hoping that incompetence doesn’t get us burned domestically or abroad. Life goes on.
AJ_Liberty (3c84de) — 2/11/2019 @ 3:16 pm
Then you had a choice of McMuffin or Gary… (bong rip)… Johnson…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:34 pm
what fresh hell, is that Pikachu, is this the same crew behind the inhumans?
narciso (d1f714) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:40 pm
I believe that Trump will win a second term. I know that if he does so, it will still be without my vote. Erickson is a sellout.
Gryph (5efbad) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:41 pm
i thought the idea was disney would shunt everything marvel to hulu not make up off-brand social justice garbage filler out of marvel d-list characters

that runaways show was a snooze
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:43 pm
President Trump’s defining the new expectations ever higher, and American hearts are soaring with happiness!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:44 pm
41. Speak for yourself. stinkyfeet.
Gryph (5efbad) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:45 pm
it’s the good epochal moment everybody was looking forward to

right here right now

watching the whirl wake up from history
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:52 pm
American hearts are soaring with happiness!

Chocolate will give you that feeling. There’s no worse food for gastroesophageal reflux, my doctor says. But I don’t care.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:56 pm
the teobromide, well possibly,

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/dumb_as_a_box_of_rocks_democrats_suddenly_realize_their_madurolove_is_going_to_cost_them_florida_in_2020.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/11/2019 @ 4:57 pm
Howard the Duck has a human girlfriend. Any of you remember, it’s been a few years back, there was a post here that ducks, unlike most birds, have penises? That’s how Howard the Duck can have a human girlfriend.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:01 pm
Are you also familiar with the difference between “erotic” and “kinky”?
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:02 pm
A feather is erotic.
The while ~~chicken~~ duck is kinky.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:03 pm
*whole*
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:03 pm
i knew he had a cigar
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:20 pm
i just learned the other day that in most of the tellings the swan and leda actually made sweet sweet interspecies love

he didn’t rape her at all!

it seems like a real injustice was done on the swan here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:22 pm
Poor Zeus.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:27 pm
I don’t remember a version saying Leda was raped. Maybe you are thinking of Europa and the bull?
But I do remember she gave birth to four eggs.
One was Castor. One was Pollux. The third was thousand-ships-launching Helen. The fourth was Clytemnestra who made her family the epitome of dysfunction. (Did you know the female parallel to the Oedipus complex is the Electra complex?)
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:32 pm
i read a lot of yeats i guess
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:36 pm
Oh, I forgot Yeats’s poem…..
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:38 pm
See also Pluto and Persephone. In a society in which children were the property of their parents, all sex outside an arranged marriage was rape. Elopements are still “thefts” in modern Greek. The Romans were the same.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:42 pm
On a positive note, I successfully proved to the Fla DMV that I am neither a jihadi terrorist nor an illegal Central American immigrant, and came away with a FedGov approved DL so I can keep using my travel rewards. And it only took 45 minutes, including the 30 minutes waiting to be called.
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:46 pm
Congratulations, kishnevi!

Illhead Omar hurt most. Now there would have been a great reason to vote for Trump, if he had not blown the Muslim ban.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 5:54 pm
Yes it was very narrow conforming to the 2016 omnibus language, but they still freaked out.
Narciso (c158ed) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:02 pm
Contrary to the American Thinker article Narciso linked, it’s the Hamasphilia of Omar and her cohort that would hurt the Democrats in Florida, not the Maduro love. For one thing, Maduro will likely be gone by 2020. For another, Venezuelans I know here see enough similarities between Trump and Chavez to be unimpressed by Trump.
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:06 pm
@35. Cartman’s “The Coon,” Mr. Feet?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:06 pm
@39. No. He’s yesterday’s news… and knows it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:10 pm
The founder of Cair who came from Hamas was at my alma mater 25 years ago, I’m not so sanguine
Narciso (c158ed) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:12 pm
The resident antiSemite at my music forum posted this in the political thread tonight

The leadership of the House Democrats’ treatment of Illhan Omar is why I hate centrist Democrats with every fiber of my being. These aged, corrupt, venal and opportunist geezers are an obstacle to progress forever stuck in 1995 mode.

Mind you this person thinks Bernie Sanders is the best, and likeliest, Democratic candidate for 2020, because Warren and all the rest are corporate centrists.
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:20 pm
I am shocked, shocked, as in “What a surprise!”, that a Muslim born in Mogadishu would want to defund a Department created as a response to the Muslim terrorist attack on 9/11. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-seeks-clarify-call-not-dollar-dhs Who could have imagined it when they voted her into Congress? Of course, it’s not a coincidence that the Minnesota state bird is the loon, but still ….
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:33 pm
Well it’s all little Mogadishu now formerly Keith Ellison district
Narciso (c158ed) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:38 pm
El Paso no smash-o for Trumpo.

“Some problems in Texas?”-James Mattoon Scott [Burt Lancaster] ‘Seven Days In May’ 1964
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:41 pm
Omar is a BroFo, kishnevi.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:41 pm
BroFo?
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:46 pm
Head on down and be a real-life Kinky Friedman song character!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:47 pm
More reasons Trump may win again…….

Video Venom: 33 TV Shows in Jan. Slam ‘Terrorist’ Trump, Praise Abortion

“Entertainment TV is far worse than news when it comes to progressive bias and hatred for conservative people and views. A cross section of nightly programming on major networks, cable TV or popular streaming services is loaded with anti-conservative, anti-Trump propaganda. January features at least 33 separate entertainment programs that attack conservative values and/or President Donald Trump while promoting a hardcore progressive agenda.”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/gabriel-hays/2019/02/11/video-venom-33-tv-shows-jan-slam-terrorist-trump-praise

Last time around, they seemed to create more of a reflexive F You to team Hillary (aka Dems/Hollywood/News Media) than creating Dem votes; it could happen again.
harkin (75c725) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:47 pm
Oh…found it.
I didn’t really need to know the term, you know…
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:48 pm
Like a MoFo, only brotherly loves…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:48 pm
Or was that Rancidah Tlabia? I forget…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:49 pm
No it was the former, she’s a Jordanian nutbar
Narciso (c158ed) — 2/11/2019 @ 6:52 pm
Omar should have differentiated between bottle deposit crook netanhayu and the majority of israelis who don’t like this crook who has recently been indicted.
lany (ea4d89) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:27 pm
Notice anything:
https://mobile.twitter.com/latimes/status/1095080079305117696
Narciso (c158ed) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:28 pm
It is lawful to lie to unbelievers.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2019 @ 7:33 pm
77… looks like an Army of one, narciso.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:06 pm
I like the mazel tov from Phyllis. (Which btw was the English name of my mother obm.
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 2/11/2019 @ 8:10 pm
republicans should concentrate on the abortion laws that are being passed instead of the daily b.s. going on with sophmoric moo slums.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/11/2019 @ 11:43 pm
https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/crowd-cheers-as-two-pedophiles-are-executed-in-yemen/
Cheers
mg (8cbc69) — 2/11/2019 @ 11:45 pm
https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/10/progressives-bearing-gifts/
Nothing like some VDH with a cup of Guatemalan.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/12/2019 @ 3:31 am
And yet the likes of Omar would compromise with them, it’s like the technicals all over again.

https://babalublog.com/2019/02/11/the-maduro-dictatorships-masked-death-squads-in-socialist-venezuela/
Narciso (54f05e) — 2/12/2019 @ 5:32 am
Just more lawfsre:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321532/?fbclid=IwAR2Nn4UOlyTxjh915WyNxbStIBTIu4xUSHlqqIHnyoBX-Su2LtYAS9kfFn4
Narciso (54f05e) — 2/12/2019 @ 6:08 am
looks like the New Republic sees an opening to do some actual journalism

CNN Jake Tapper fake news won’t be able to poop for a week
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 6:33 am
One of these days the camera man’s gonna have something besides spoo up his b*#t and the lenses will have no glass:

http://www.fastcompany.com/90305893/watch-has-a-bbc-cameraman-is-assaulted-at-trumps-rally
urbanleftbehind (f76bca) — 2/12/2019 @ 6:37 am
The dems want the people disarmed this is how it is in Russia where the state has the monopoly of force
Narciso (54f05e) — 2/12/2019 @ 6:44 am
Now the new republic under Michael straight was stalin’s house organ in the 40s and 50s, he was an actual Soviet agent, son of rich bankers they became sensible in the 70s and now stark raving mad since the nutroots.
Narciso (54f05e) — 2/12/2019 @ 6:52 am
@87. Really? Surprised Patterico allows those kinds of comments here. The guy was doing his job. I’m glad he’s ok.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:07 am
I would guess some Soros paid nitwit did it.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:11 am
or some drunk a-hole giving the vast majority of law-abiding Trump supporters a bad name.
JRH (fe281f) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:12 am
Meanwhile so called antifa foot soldiers like alcoff were employed in the consumer bureau and are affiliated with Cortez advisor hockett
Narciso (4173f9) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:49 am
According to a source close to the Mueller investigation, the special counsel’s office had declined to pursue the case, even though it would have clearly fit under its mandate.

So the witch hunt found a witch but didn’t charge her…
Kishnevi (5cc98a) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:55 am
Why would that be:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/team-hillary-wanted-asap-call-with-fbi-after-comey-reopened-email-probe/?fbclid=IwAR0LvvA1k6RCckoVEC7ThbweVF7LTeWp5rituailbEws6tvt7C0wJLhHQl0
Narciso (4173f9) — 2/12/2019 @ 7:55 am
JRH:

I will admit to making my comment far more profane than necessary, and I take no rooting interest either for the cameraman/media or those who will support Trump in a public forum. It was to convey the point that a camera person may decide enough is enough and might take measures that at a minimum assure self defense and might also be a violent response to those besides the direct assailant.

Unfortunately, the template for such an action was laid out in the special TV “Homicide: The Movie (2000)”. I shoudnt spoil it, but it turns out a cameraman in the opening scene outfitted his equipment with a sniper rifle.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 8:50 am
I will give credit where it may be due, it seems as though northern European whites have greater, ahem, self-control in expressing their support of PDJT. Note that this crazy and the one from Florida with the pipe bombs seem to be of ethnic origin (FL man- Filipino/Rican/Italian, this dude in El Paso – a “Tejano” hispanic or even a east Indian or Native). This pattern and not an overt animus against POC might lead Trump events to become even “whiter” due to a dose of caution.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 8:54 am
The one with the fake bombs and the real rap sheet,
Narciso (4173f9) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:15 am
There is no criticism of Trump by the left that would not be leveled at [generic “good Republican”]
JH (a0680b) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:18 am
Will Mr. Altieri become your next Macho Grande?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:39 am
No hes a moron, in more ways than one, the Filipino Walter Mitty, but he served his purpose.
Narciso (4173f9) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:54 am
I used to post a lot here back during the 2016 election. I was a hard core NeverTrumper. I thought he would be no different than Clinton. I was wrong. He provided two great Justices that will protect the Second Amendment for decades. He has done a lot of other good things (as Erickson has listed). I have many disagreements with Trump, from his protectionism to his bump stock ban.

But when I look at where the Democrats are heading, especially the GND and the Kavanaugh hearings- I’m terrified. I wasn’t even that terrified of Obama, as even though he was a leftist, he was a radical like the current crop. They are all extreme left. They will tear this country down and lead it to a civil war – because even though a national divorce is the best policy, they will never let us go.

I’m still not entirely sure I will vote Trump. But I’m in PA, where his hold is tenuous. And I’d rather have 4 more years of Trump than 4 years of a nutball like Harris or Booker.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (d1a2fb) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:55 am
Booker is as apt to be the chosen stooge, he’s a little too familiar with the Kushners, in the pocket of Big Pharma, and could easily have been a former really really good friend of Ivanka as much as he could be ayg-bay. I share the apprehensiveness about Harris, though. We elected a sort of Bro, now for the H-?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 10:47 am
ironically stay puft, practically handed him his first senate win,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/12/2019 @ 10:58 am
“or some drunk a-hole ~~giving~~ trying to give the vast majority of law-abiding Trump supporters a bad name”

FIFY
Colonel Haiku (467f23) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:22 pm
Oh btw:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OptimisticCon/status/1095415288298799104
Narciso (40a416) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:28 pm
For corporations, Trump’s tax reform was a really good thing and long overdue.

For individuals, not so much. No one got a big tax break and much of the upper middle class got a huge tax hike. If you lived in CA or NY, you got hit even in the middle middle class. It will cost me about $5000 more than if I filed with the same information a year earlier, due to a house sale and the way CA taxes them (bigly).
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:30 pm
ULB:

Al qaeda killed the leader of the Afghani resistance (Ahmed Shah Massoud) 2 days before 9/11 with a cameraman-bomb, while pretending to conduct an interview. No doubt as a favor to the Taliban, and to make the US response to 9/11 more difficult. That we are still over there and fighting indicates it was a pretty good plan.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:36 pm
Ode to Reality:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article226151030.html
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:39 pm
“Voting is almost always a binary choice”

So is not voting.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:40 pm
So, Gavin Newsome will “cut back” on the Moonbeam Express.

???

This is like saying “Yes, it’s a money pit, but now we will throw less money into the pit. SAVINGS!!”
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:45 pm
They were hitmen from Brussels moslem quarter, just like the bomber of the un compound came from Italy as well as the attack on the al Rashid hotel
Narciso (c9b7e2) — 2/12/2019 @ 12:55 pm
He said there’s “simply isn’t a path” to build high speed rail to connect the northern and southern parts of the state. But the rail line can link Central Valley cities Merced and Bakersfield, he said.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:00 pm
and another chunk of obama’s legacy lies in dust

pretty soon all that’s gonna be left is a dumpster fire of anti-semitism and them nasty dacas
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:02 pm
the rail line can link Central Valley cities Merced and Bakersfield

Every dime that isn’t spent yet would do better anywhere else. Stop the work, leave a bit as a monument to Jerry Brown and tear everything else down. Sell the land back to the original owners, if they will take it. Spend the money on subways in Los Angeles, where they are actually needed. Plenty of work there for Builder Bob.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:19 pm
those people are so weird

what’s a ticket from merced to bakersfield gonna cost or will they just pay passengers to ride
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:28 pm
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (d1a2fb) — 2/12/2019 @ 9:55 am

And I’d rather have 4 more years of Trump than 4 years of a nutball like Harris or Booker.

What I don’t like is Biden-Harris.

Almost conventional wisdom holds she may wind up as the Vice Presidential nominee. I don’t thnk the chances are so high.

It came about today that she probably lied about smoking marijuana (in an attempt to make herself more likeable?)

Goof! The songs she listened to while smoking marijuana were released 5 years after her alleged marijuana smoking.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-weed-smoking-tupac-time-doesnt-align-1328510

Charlamagne Tha God chimes in, his words overlapping with the initial questions. “What were you listening to when you was high? What was on? What song was it?”

“Was it Snoop?” another host asks.

“Oh yeah, definitely Snoop,” Harris responds. “Tupac, for sure.”

Twitter users quickly pointed out what appeared to be an inconsistency in Harris’s story. The legislator had said that she was listening to Tupac Shakur and Snoop Dogg.

Harris graduated from Howard University in 1986, according to the school’s magazine. Shakur’s first album, 2Pacalypse Now, was released in 1991, and Snoop Dogg’s first album, Doggystyle, was released in 1993.

Ian Sams, the national press secretary for Harris’ campaign, told Newsweek that “She was talking about music she listens to.”

She was telling someone waht she thought he would like to here.

The fact maybe that she couldn’t name the song might indicate the story was made up. She agreed with someone, but that someone was too young to know the anachronism.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:29 pm
She was probably too Bougie to be up into hip-hop, and even then I dont think she was one of those Boule or Jack-n-Jill types on account of neither parent really being (American) black society.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:38 pm
Doesn’t Weigel look like el chapo?
Narciso (c9b7e2) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:46 pm
Heh… Erickson becoming a Transactional Trump Supporter™ is something I wouldn’t have wagered.
whembly (51f28e) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:52 pm
this is a real life thing that actually exists in america
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 1:54 pm
@121. Garage sales are very American, Mr. Feet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/12/2019 @ 2:09 pm
on balance i agree
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/12/2019 @ 2:17 pm
@whembly yeah, I would have thought that Erickson would continue to hedge his bets…I mean…what would be the harm? I guess he could always withdraw his support based on new revelations or questionable conduct….and now he gains the benefit of being allowed to bathe with the Ever-Trumpers…and be “in the game”. But it’s sure hard for him to now authentically throw the character matters card…I guess it’s hard to be in the talk radio media and remain on the fence…I’m sure there is a 30 pieces of silver comment that could be made…though maybe that’s too harsh…
AJ_Liberty (3c84de) — 2/12/2019 @ 2:43 pm
@107 why is that Trump’s fault and not CA and NY?
JH (a0680b) — 2/12/2019 @ 3:06 pm
‘now he gains the benefit of being allowed to bathe with the Ever-Trumpers…and be “in the game” ‘

Additional benefit is washing away the grime of NeverTrump!
Colonel Haiku (467f23) — 2/12/2019 @ 3:34 pm
115… build some additional water storage, for example. It’s a no-brained.
Colonel Haiku (467f23) — 2/12/2019 @ 3:35 pm
moloch it turns out is not a huge vote getter when you stop being coy about it,

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/andrew-cuomos-approval-rating-sinks-to-all-time-low/#.XGL5Scj3vJU.twitter
narciso (d1f714) — 2/12/2019 @ 3:47 pm
127… heh… and a no-brainer!
Colonel Haiku (467f23) — 2/12/2019 @ 4:44 pm
Christians imagining themselves to be persecuted in this country need to spend some time talking to Jesus.

“Lord, can you imagine? They want us to sell them cake!”

Jesus applies ointment to the torn flesh on his back. “Really? That’s terrible.”

In fairness, Erickson probably mostly means abortion. Wish we could have an honest conversation about the kinds of scenarios that actually exist regarding the need to terminate pregnancy in the third trimester. But then we’d have to consider that maybe people who think differently than us aren’t murderous monsters, and where’s the fun in that?
TR (2c5752) — 2/12/2019 @ 11:39 pm
RIP – Lyndon Larouche
Killed his chance in 20/20
mg (8cbc69) — 2/13/2019 @ 2:18 am
Barr should never be A.G. He is deep state. Trump should pick his nose not his A.G.
mg (8cbc69) — 2/13/2019 @ 3:19 am
How much money do we let Herr Mueller waste on non existing prostitute urine?
mg (8cbc69) — 2/13/2019 @ 3:36 am
Wow, satan’s minion on line 1, look there will come a time when they are throwing Christians to the lions and some will say they asked for it.
Narciso (74850b) — 2/13/2019 @ 5:36 am
Millions of dead babies indicate otherwise, TR.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/13/2019 @ 6:06 am
Not only do they think differently, they speak differently. “Pro-choice” is their Newspeak euphemism for the casual murder of a human being; “Dreamers” means illegal immigrants; “Progressives” denotes a group that’s dragging us back to the cave; “Sanctuary City” means a place where no actual U.S. citizen is safe.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/13/2019 @ 6:13 am
Orwell ‘I didnt mean it as a how to manual’ but he drew much of it from his experience with the bbc.
Narciso (74850b) — 2/13/2019 @ 6:19 am
A rare sign of sanity:

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/california-supreme-court-limits-60818/
Narciso (74850b) — 2/13/2019 @ 6:28 am
just crazy right:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/el-paso-das-office-daily-beast-report-about-trump-rally-disturbance-was-inaccurate/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/13/2019 @ 6:58 am
Trump is bad for politics because his rise implies that governing experience, personal discipline, and policy knowledge is not especially important….it’s personality, audacity, and emotion that matters. Does Erick really want to send this message…and usher in an era of celebrity know-nothings leading the country…and simply hope that the handlers keep the train on the track? We’ve been lucky so far that Kelly, Mattis, Pence, Cohn, Tillerson, McMaster, Sessions, and Haley have restrained Trump’s worst impulses. But now, except for Pence, we’ve moved on to the B-team of advisors…more yes-men. Why link yourself indelibly to the clown car? I can understand a quiet cheer when something good happens…but let’s not pretend that there hasn’t been a fair mix of missed opportunities and disturbing trends. Yes, the DEMs remain horrible…but it’s no excuse…
AJ_Liberty (3c84de) — 2/13/2019 @ 7:29 am
138, would the ruling in that case apply to an employer who did not provide documentation and guidance for employees residing in a neighboring state? I know of a person who works in the UW system but resides in Illinois. When doing their taxes, I noticed that the state tax portion (Box 17 on the W-2 form) was left blank. This person thus has a tax liability to IL that has not been satisficed through payroll tax deduction going to either state.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/13/2019 @ 7:51 am
I think she was just bundling charges, it seems to be a dysfunctional outfit,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/13/2019 @ 7:53 am
Just did my taxes (in California, less than $100k middle class) and all things being the same, I’m getting a grand more back this year. Thanks Trump!
Lee (ae69e2) — 2/13/2019 @ 8:05 pm
My taxes are, roughly, the same. (Because I started receieving a pension midway through 2017 and a new job about the same time, a precise comparison is not possible. But my overall taxes for about the same amount of money in both years. But changes in witholding mean I have to send in aboit $100 more than last year,)
Kishnevi (e8b3ea) — 2/13/2019 @ 8:21 pm
It’s weird how he’s gotten much less NeverTrump as he’s been going after funding for his website and trying to keep his radio syndication afloat.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 2/13/2019 @ 8:36 pm
He has two pre-teen children and both he and his wife have had health problems. It’s easier to be “pure” when you only have yourself to think about.
nk (dbc370) — 2/13/2019 @ 8:50 pm
146… amen. No kids, not much skin in the game.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/13/2019 @ 8:53 pm
Nothing here to see sheeple. There’s no Opiod, gun control crisis, they all once said. Until it was settled, yep, there is a crisis…No need to help our law enforcement at the border, they now say, even though there’s an acute and chronic crisis at Border that has gone unchecked and unmet. Here’s the truth about the border: Seeing is believing, unless you practice cognitive dissonance and don’t really care about the American people, of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Z4LCLjb4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWJbazGLhH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULyYcrBtqXI
Dannie (41872f) — 2/17/2019 @ 1:56 pm

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