Charles Manson’s Death Reminds Us Why We Need the Death Penalty
Andrea Ruth had a post earlier today about the death of Charles Manson. Andrea’s post extensively covered Manson’s crimes and said good riddance to this evil man. In this post, in addition to agreeing with Andrea’s sentiments about Manson, I want to take a moment to remind us all that we need the death penalty.
Prosecutors who have a former defendant on death row know that there is always a chance that the murderer will outlive us, no matter how young we were when the penalty was imposed. Vincent Bugliosi was not quite 35 years old when he convicted Manson of the Tate-LaBianca killings. Bugliosi lived to the age of 80 — yet Manson still outlived him.
This is particularly outrageous in the case of Manson. Here is the roll call of the dead — the people Charles Manson was convicted of murdering: Abigail Ann Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Steven Earl Parent, Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Leno La Bianca, Rosemary La Bianca, Gary Hinman, and Donald Jerome “Shorty” Shea. Manson was indeed sentenced to death, but the sentence was overturned (along with that of Sirhan Sirhan and 103 others) in 1972, when the California Supreme Court declared the state’s death penalty unconstitutional. Since the imposition of the death penalty, only 13 executions have been carried out in California. The last was in 2006, and as of August, 747 inmates remained on Death Row.
Most people don’t realize how difficult it is to get to the point where someone is subject to execution. The death penalty in California requires that a jury convict the defendant of at least one murder in the first degree, and at least one special circumstance. Examples of special circumstances include murder for financial gain, murder in the course of rapes, robberies, and other specified felonies, poisoning, and infliction of torture, to name a few. Most cases in which special circumstances are charged are even not tried as death penalty cases. The penalty is typically reserved for “the worst of the worst” — people who have zero chance of rehabilitation. The jury has the opportunity to consider a wide range of possible mitigation as well as aggravation, and twelve people must unanimously agree that death is appropriate after taking all of those factors into consideration.
Appeals of death penalty cases are notoriously long. As absurd as it seems (and is), some inmates have even claimed in recent years that the length of the appeals process is itself cruel and unusual punishment — even though appealing the case is their own choice, and many appeals are frivolous and designed for the express purpose of delay. Frustration with this regime has led California voters to recently pass an initiative to speed up the process.
Manson had his day in court, was convicted of nine murders, was sentenced to death, and given a reprieve by the courts. He spent the rest of his life making a mockery of the system that spared him, carving a swastika into his forehead, and generally showing that he did not deserve to live.
His life was spared, and some of his confederates could even be paroled.
Manson prosecutors used to attend parole hearings to oppose parole for Manson family members convicted of murder. But they can’t do that when they themselves are already dead.
Whether you agree with the death penalty or not, surely we can all agree that the remaining Manson family members should not be paroled. At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey (a death penalty opponent for religious reasons) says:
Manson died where he belonged. Let the parole board and Governor Brown take that as a victory, and apply that lesson to the other Manson “family” convicts.
I would argue that Manson belonged in a gas chamber when he died, but the courts took that option away. Given that reality, prison is where they should all die. It will still be a far more merciful death than those suffered by the Manson family’s victims.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
i have no problem with the death penalty but i’m willing to accept that administering the death penalty isn’t within the competence of the failmerican criminal justice system anymore (laughingstock system)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/20/2017 @ 8:47 amThe LA Times today featured a lengthy story about Manson. One paragraph especially bothered me:
“Manson has been portrayed as the dark prince of the counterculture, the sinister consequences of a permissive era. The man and his crimes, however, are more a product of parental neglect, a failed foster care system and barbaric juvenile justice institutions.”
The LA Times has difficulty in recognizing evil unless, of course, it comes from a Republican.
AZ Bob (f60c80) — 11/20/2017 @ 8:52 amWhat’s more objectionable, the cost of incarceration or the criminals who continue to enjoy life in spite of their crimes?
The quality of life is poor and could even be described as worse than dying. Then there are those DNA saviors who couldn’t resurrect the innocent after execution.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:05 amSome clever wag will calculate the cost, adjusted for inflation, to the taxpayers for the care and feeding of this one animal in a cage for decades.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:24 amSharon Tate was 8-1/2 months pregnant. Her child was also murdered.
Anne (dc8e5c) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:36 am@3. The quality of life is poor and even could be described as worse than dying.
Really, Ben? We are ‘free’ and may choose not to use, for example, Facebook. Manson was imprisoned, his freedoms severely restricted, yet still granted access to his Facebook to pitch crazy. That’s absurd. Responsible for taking lives, he was given a life of three squares a day, access to medical care, security– color TeeVee etc., etc.,– Manson was ‘living’ as well as many retirees in America. He should have been executed long ago, buried and forgotten.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:40 amWe had the same thing happen in Illinois with Richard Speck. On the other hand, John Gacy’s timing was not as good — the death penalty was in force for him at all relevant times. Also, a place I worked at for a while handled the appeal of the prisoner who shanked him (not terminally).
nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:48 amOf course in the 80s they came up with baldy study to attack the implementation, that failed so they went after the technical meanscused.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:14 amNot mentioned in the post was Manson’s confederate – Tex Watson – who did most of the actual murdering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Watson
Like Manson, Watson was convicted of 1st degree murder and given the death penalty, but later also given a reprieve when the USSC found the death penalty unconstitutional, and his sentence was also commuted to life in prison. He married in 1979, was allowed conjugal visits (banned for life prisoners in 1996)and fathered four (4) children (3 boys/1 girl) in prison.
He remains in prison, still seeking to be paroled. He is seventy-one (71) and apparently in good health.
And like Manson’s sentence/death, Watson’s case also reminds us why we need a death penalty that we actually have the conviction to carry out. GLZ.
Gary L. Zerman (ab669e) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:33 amI still remember that horrible weekend… just before starting my senior year in HS… returning home to Anaheim from a fishing/camping trip to the Sierras with all of this horror on the radio.
Peace/love/dove never the same afterwards…
Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:42 amR.I.P. Della Reese
Sing with the angels, Angel.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:49 amToday, Rolling Stone published an extraordinarily creepy article by a journalist who says Manson “changed his life for the better.” The author discloses some things that never should have been said outside the confines of a therapist’s office; the rest reflects the depraved celebrity Manson enjoyed by living:
What It Was Like Meeting Charles Manson
I’d just like to thank Patterico for his strong statement on behalf of civilization. Celebrating Manson today ought to be incomprehensible, but Rolling Stone shows it can happen anyway.
Eliot (32bbca) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:52 amA friend (or acquaintance) of mine wrote a book about failing to use capital punishment which he finally managed to get out. I’m not so sure how good it is. It is very much polemics. It has links to sources and if you buy it you can also get a PDF with links from the author.
Equal Justice for Victims: A Blueprint for the Rightful Restoration of Capital Punishment Paperback – October 23, 2017
by Lester Jackson Ph.D. (Author)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:56 am6. DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:40 am
Like somebody in a nursing home – maybe a bit better.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:58 am@10. Interesting, Haiku. We were all the way across the country, stateside in NJ, about to return to Britain, when that all broke; the NY tabloids made it front page news and like you, recall a sort of ‘chill’ setting in– nothing w/t kids at the time was quite the same afterwards.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:07 amI would impose the death penalty on any crime now punishable by more than five years in prison. Wait, wait, follow me on this.
nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:07 am1. If a person is so dangerous to society that he must be locked up for more than five years, he is too dangerous to be let loose at all.
2. If a person is fit to be let loose after a period of longer than five years, then he is fit to be let loose after a period of only five years.
3. We will dispense with the debates about deterrence, rehabilitation, retribution, the demands of justice, blah, blah, blah, and concentrate on the one thing on which there is no debate — the protection of society, either by confining or killing the criminal.
4. Think of the money we’d save.
5. Think of how many crimes which now cause people to be locked up for an ungodly number of years would be repealed or have the sentences reduced to five years or less.
DC: You took that out of context.
Would torture suffice as punishment or is your purpose to merely prevent future crimes through confinement?
Not being sarcastic but I want to clear up the muddy semantics.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:36 amLeave it to teh LAT… http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ulin-manson-death-20171120-story.html
Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:41 amhttp://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/fox-news-jeanine-pirro-charged-driving-119-mph-upstate-article-1.3646308?cid=bitly
Rushing to judgement
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:44 am@19. Maybe she was Roger Stoned. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:50 amAgain. What is the purpose of death penalty?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:53 amAfter graduating HS – and during my first year in the local college – and every now and then during the murder trials, I’d see my basketball coach (the esteemed Tom Danley) and i’ll never forget how he would get all spun up and go off on the Manson Family for close to an hour, how despicable they were and how low our society (and families, in general) had fallen to have produced such scum.
Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:53 am@21. Justice.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:55 amStill trying to decide which was more evil, compelling nitwit flower children to carve up people with Buck Folding Hunters or doing it to start a massive race war.
Hopefully the anti-capital punishment folks can celebrate that the state provided the “family” with warm beds and three squares for decades while his victims’ families are compelled to re-live the anguish every time one of the nitwits is eligible for parole.
harkin (a9a478) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:55 amOh noes! The decline and fall of Western civilization..cats and dogs living together…without benefit of holy matrimony
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:56 am23.
And that justice becomes what when DNA evidence in retrospect proves an executed citizen’s innocence?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:58 amBugliosi’s books are excellent, but there is a book written by – if I recall correctly – Ed Sanders… of the Fugs… that is an extremely chilling, can’t-put-it-down account that really delved deeply in a detailed way that only a counter-culture fellow could
Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:58 am@24. Still trying to decide which was more evil…
W/58,000 dead Americans, lying about Vietnam tops the evil list from that era but the lost flower children slaughtering innocents on home turf hangs among the top ten.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:24 pm@27. Yes, read Helter Skelter back in the day and re-read it a few years ago- it’s chilling. So’s the TV movie w/Railsback.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:29 pmDC
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:31 pmAre you saying you can’t get Manson out of your head in a discussion of the death penalty?
Feeding and watering this scum bag al these years is a waste of food and water.
mg (60b0f7) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:38 pmGuillotine the rat.
So it’s an economic issue for mg..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:40 pmnk @16
You’d need that provision in the constitution.
They also lock people up for continuing to steal or defraud. But there may be other ways of handling that.
And sometimes longer sentence lengths are there simply because they want to have a greater punishment for some crimes than others. Maybe they could think of something else than just adding time in jail.
Also there are crimes where somebody did something resulting in somebody’s death but they don’t want to sentence him to death but at the same time they don’t want his life to just go on. There may be no great fear of repetition there.
There’s another point. Sometimes age is a natural limit. A violent man will just stop being so violent after age 40 (sex offenses are a different story)
But to break somebody’s lifestyle you may not need even five years. One and half years may be enough.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:56 pmBut to break somebody’s lifestyle you may not need even five years. One and half years may be enough.
Five years would be the maximum, Sammy. Sentences could and should be lower than that when appropriate.
nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:02 pmI think the book by Sanders was “The Family”.
Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:04 pmThe only thing the death penalty does is satisfy the lust for vengeance. If Manson had been executed, how many of his victims would have been restored to life?
My own preference would be non-paroleable imprisonment for life in solitary confinement, with no access to the outside world and and as little contact with the prison staff as possible. I think such a punishment would be more fearsome to a criminal than a death sentence.
kishnevi (158466) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:44 pmYou might also want to contemplate some pertinent teachings from the Talmud:
kishnevi (158466) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:56 pm–that the wicked receive the reward for their good deeds in this world so they can’t be rewarded in the next life, when they receive full punishment for their sins (and in contrast, the righteous are punished here so they can enjoy their reward in the next life–the classic answer to “why do the wicked prosper and the righteous suffer).
–that a death by violence–whether in war, at the hands of a homicide, or by legally imposed punishment–is such a strong punishment that it all by itself atones for most sins.
So perhaps escaping the death penalty and living this long in relative comfort was G-d’s mechanism for ensuring Manson will be receiving his full and proper punishment in the next world.
Charlie Rose rip
mg (60b0f7) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:59 pmyou perv
The only thing the death penalty does is satisfy the lust for vengeance.
No, primarily it prevents the criminal from committing further crimes. Satisfying the lust for vengeance comes fourth, after deterring others from committing the same crime, and giving the law-abiding the sense of superiority over the criminal.
If Manson had been executed, how many of his victims would have been restored to life?
Just as many as were restored because he was not executed.
My own preference would be non-paroleable imprisonment for life in solitary confinement
Sounds good. But let’s do it the way they did it with Vestal Virgins who had violated their vows.
nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 2:26 pmI greatly admire and respect the professional prosecutors who try to enforce California’s capital punishment regime. I greatly despise the self-appointed political and judicial elites who conspire to frustrate both justice and the political will of the people of that state regarding the death penalty. If asked the single thing that Houston (America’s fourth largest city) has which Los Angeles (America’s second largest city) needs, I would say: A genuinely effective death penalty which is regularly applied within a reasonable period of time after conviction and sentence in most cases.
Our host is engaged in a heroic but Sisyphean effort; that he and his fellow prosecutors persevere despite the ways in which their own state’s politicians and judges continuously undercut them is a mark of rare but admirable professional devotion.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/20/2017 @ 2:27 pmSolitary confinement is considered cruel, at least as commonly done. (with no communication also)
Of course it is sometimes needed. Mayor de Blasio severely reduced it at Riker’s Island (it’s been totally eliminated for anyone younger than 21) and the result is rising costs in the jail (for more guards) which has fewer prisoners than before.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/criminal-overspending-city-jails-article-1.3633149
It says gang members began to wreak havoc and cell blaocks are moe violentm, and they’ve gone on a hiring and overtime binge and have more guards than prisoners.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/20/2017 @ 2:40 pmAnd sometimes longer sentence lengths are there simply because they want to have a greater punishment for some crimes than others. Maybe they could think of something else than just adding time in jail.
We’ve given up on Correctional objectives although we like to think society evolves so we keep the illusion. Out of that grows the pestilential gladiator schools spiking recidivism. Yes, it’s all punishment although some pretend the death penalty or imprisonment are ti prevent more crime but punishment nevertheless.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 2:52 pmAgain. What is the purpose of death penalty?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:53 am
Kill people who kill people?
Pinandpuller (394863) — 11/20/2017 @ 5:53 pmAre there still people who equate a fetus with a human who has murdered, been given due process and been found guilty by a jury?
harkin (a9a478) — 11/20/2017 @ 6:15 pmThere are many people who value the murderer above the foetus, and others the fetus above the murderer. The Roman Catholic church says both have an equal right to life.
Sammy Finkelman (57e37d) — 11/20/2017 @ 6:32 pmMr Burn wrote:
Given how few of those who are condemned simply drop all of their appeals so that they can go ahead and get it over with, it would seem that most of them don’t find the quality of life in prison so poor that it is worse than dying.
Me? I’m opposed to capital punishment, given that I am pro-life from conception until natural death. But I’d have no problem with prisons offering a get it all over with room, with a rope and an easily kicked over chair for those, condemned or otherwise, who did find their quality of life worse than dying.
The Catholic Dana (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:27 amDCSCA wrote:
Already been done:
In addition, incarceration on death row is much more expensive than for other prisoners, due to the special conditions imposed.
If a capital sentence was carried out by taking the condemned man directly from the courthouse and hanging him from an oak tree, yeah, capital punishment would be cheaper, but that’s not how we do things.
The economist Dana (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:34 amA few remarks if I may. Many of the anti-death penalty advocates will, when the DP is abolished, start campaigning to end “Life Without Parole.” They will claim “LWOP is cruel and unusual punishment.”
A decade ago in Tennessee there was a horrific double murder, the torture-murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. For the details, Google “Channon Christian and Chritopher Newsom.”
Early on the local DA’s office tried to get the victims’ parents to agree to a plea bargain with “Life in Prison” for one of the defendants. They even took gave the parents a tour of the main state prison near Nashville. It was supposed to show what a miserable existence prison was.
The parents found the opposite. Lifers were not kept in their cells all day as claimed and there was plenty of recreation. They even talked to inmates who told them it wasn’t bad at all.
“A dude was chawing down on a huge Philadelphia cheese steak.”
As it turned out, there was a series of trials (I attended some) with gruesome testimony with only one defendant receiving the death penalty. He will almost certainly never be executed. The Tennessee courts are almost as bad as California’s in seeking to prevent the death penalty from being carried out.
DN (4c7af4) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:40 amCongratulations on your consistency, Dana. Most anti-abortion advocates want to decide who will live and who will be executed.
But your analysis of who asks to be put out of their misery due to incarceration forgets to include the will to live which is stronger than our fear of suffering.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:40 amIt was 1995, and I was driving down Foxhill Road in Hampton, Virginia, when Susan Smith’s sentence for drowning her two small children was announced. Prior to the announcement, radio talk show host Perry Stone was discussing the case, musing whether the death penalty would really be worse than life in prison for her. It was all very calm, and almost intellectual.
Then, when the sentence of life in prison was announced, he went all shock jock and was incensed that she wouldn’t be put to death. She was escaping justice, don’t you know?
Well, let’s face it: there is no justice. Had Charles Manson been sent to the gas chamber, would he have suffered as much as Sharon Tate did, being repeatedly stabbed, and having her unborn child murdered in the process? When we (rarely) execute prisoners to death by putting them to sleep like an unwanted kitten, are we punishing them in proportion to what they did to others? Even burning at the stake or being hung, drawn and quartered wouldn’t have matched what James Byrd’s killers did to him.
I suppose that, had Matthew Shepard’s killers been crucified, it might have been appropriate for what they did to him.
Justice will never be equal, and we shouldn’t pretend otherwise.
The Dana with an eidetic memory (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:53 amMr Burn wrote:
No, it doesn’t forget that. If death is preferable, then it would overcome the fear of suffering. Think how often it does so in suicide cases.
We’ve all said, at one point or another, “I’d rather be dead than ___________,” and you can fill in the blank with quadriplegic, blind, or some other physical calamity, but, other than the first few months after injury, the seriously handicapped do not commit suicide at greater rates than the population in general. It’s easy to say we’d rather be dead than whatever, when the statement does not actually apply to us, does not mean we have to commit suicide.
The philosopher Dana (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 7:59 amWe could argue about what keeps people from suicide in prison all day but instruments like towels and belts are contraband and suicide watches are common, Dana. I’m not saying theres an alternative to incarceration, just that under some circumstances like isolation, it is tantamount to torture.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:06 amSince the restoration of capital punishment in the Keystone State, only three murderers have been executed, and all three of them ‘volunteered,’ by dropping all of their appeals. The last execution occurred in 1999.
However, prosecutors, always willing to polish their ‘tough on crime’ reputations ahead of the next election, continue to press for capital sentences, knowing full well that they will never be carried out. The last Republican governor, Tom Corbett, who also had the luxury of a state legislature controlled by the GOP, signed 47 death warrants during his four years in office; not one man was executed, and none even got close. The current Governor, Tom Wolf, a Democrat, has put a moratorium on executions — he cannot simply commute sentences — that will last for his entire term.
Capital punishment in Pennsylvania has simply become a way for prosecutors and juries to say, ‘You’ve been a really bad boy, and we are really, really mad at you,’ when everybody knows that the executions will never actually happen. No one has been put to death in Pennsylvania against his will since 1961!
But the costs of maintaining death row, and the costs of the seemingly endless appeals, continue to accrue.
The Dana no longer in Pennsylvania (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:09 amMr Burn wrote:
Why would we ever have a suicide watch on a prisoner, especially a condemned one? If he wishes to commit suicide, let him! But that’s his choice, not state action.
It’s wryly amusing that the left advocate for assisted suicide laws, yet think we have to prevent suicides among inmates.
The realistic Dana (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:12 amIt’s wryly amusing that the left advocate for assisted suicide laws, yet think we have to prevent suicides among inmates.
That was quite a knee-jerk. Shall I assume you oppose assisted suicide in your consistency. Will you break if you bend?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:16 amI’ve noticed many, sensing the ledge beneath them eroding, jump to another thread.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:25 amMr Burn wrote:
I absolutely oppose assisted suicide: getting another person involved means a license to kill someone. If someone wants to kill himself, he should stick a handgun in his mouth and do it himself. His choice, his action, that’s it.
The very realistic Dana (08b297) — 11/21/2017 @ 8:47 am“Newsweek
@Newsweek
How murderer Charles Manson and President Donald Trump used similar language to gain followers”
You can’t even parody these clowns beyond their own efforts.
http://www.newsweek.com/how-murderer-charles-manson-and-donald-trump-used-language-gain-followers-717399?amp=1
harkin (a9a478) — 11/21/2017 @ 9:37 amDana
No one is forcing doctors. It’s voluntary. But thanks for the Liberty!
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/21/2017 @ 9:48 amBeing forced is not the definition of murder, killing someone other than yourself is. Liberty has never and does not now include murdering someone else even at his own request. Neither has suicide that’s why there is a word for it: suicide, the act of intentionally causing one’s own death. And it shouldn’t. Why do you leftists hate life so much? From abortion to suicide you guys love to celebrate death. And you just love to get the government involved in your neurotic games.
Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 11/21/2017 @ 10:20 amWhy didn’t Manson get the death penalty? You might have Dick Nixon to thank for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh9Bk17jTHg
He couldn’t keep his big trap shut, like someone else we know and loathe.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:16 am@61. Tillman, he was sentenced to death but the DP was ruled unconstitutional in ’72 so he was resentenced to life in prison.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:32 amDCSCA, well Dick certainly didn’t help. He was a bonehead and could have easily tainted the trial.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:34 am@47. Dana, so what’s the actual $ figure, specific to caging Charlie for almost half a century? A specific number is what folks would key in on.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:37 am@64. And how much would it have cost to carry out the death penalty? It makes no sense to have one without the other.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:39 am@63. No, Tillman, that as a SCOTUS move. The creep was convicted and sentenced in spite of the Big Dick’s blunder– which he retracted almost immediately– but then, you can’t un-ring a bell.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:39 am@65. 10 feet of rope from Home Depot and a chair from the Warden’s office by an old oak tree would keep it under $25.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:42 amDCSCA, being tried for murder and being found innocent or guilty is not “a SCOTUS move.” Dick could have screwed up the conviction is what I’m saying.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:42 am@68. Till- Hardly an apologist for the Big Dick but he didn’t; he minimized the ‘damage’ almost immediately and much better than a Trump would have and the creep was convicted all the same. The SCOTUS decision is what saved him from the gas chamber; guess hanging was too good for him.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:47 amWell, I think we have a Federal Prosecutor around here somewhere who could shed some light on this… I will defer to him.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/21/2017 @ 11:47 amI’m a believer in proportional means used to carry out a death penalty. This means Chuck would have served as living till bled out Thanksgiving fare.
urbanleftbehind (bca9b7) — 11/21/2017 @ 12:02 pm