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11/10/2017

Another Person Corroborates Roy Moore’s Accuser

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:00 pm



Another person has emerged to corroborate the allegation that Roy Moore molested a 14-year-old girl in 1979:

Like the other corroborating witnesses, this person did not witness the event, of course. He was just told about it by the victim years ago. But his account can now be added to those of the two people detailed in the Washington Post story:

Betsy Davis, who remains friendly with Corfman and now lives in Los Angeles, says she clearly remembers Corfman talking about seeing an older man named Roy Moore when they were teenagers. She says Corfman described an encounter in which the older man wore nothing but tight white underwear. She says she was firm with Corfman that seeing someone as old as Moore was out of bounds.

“I remember talking to her and telling her it’s not a good idea,” Davis says. “Because we were so young.”

A second friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing her job, has a similar memory of a teenage Corfman telling her about seeing an older man.

Between all these people, Roy Moore’s bizarre statements Inflatable football helmet tunnel in his interview with Sean Hannity, the evidence of his interest in other young girls, the apparent lack of bias on the part of the accusers, the garbage character of Moore, and cold hard facts that corroborate other aspects of the woman’s story, it looks very bad for Moore.

This is what the Bannon wing of the Republican party asked for. Now they have it.

Great job, guys.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

45 Responses to “Another Person Corroborates Roy Moore’s Accuser”

  1. Red State is a TDS site.

    Here is another link with info on the accuser.

    Please notice that Leigh Corfman says these incidents happened 39 years ago when she was 14. She came from a divorced family, has had three divorces, has filed for bankruptcy, and has had IRS problems. She was sought out by Washington Post reporters.

    The other three women in the article indicated they had had no sexual encounters with Roy Moore, yet they are brought into the article to try to make Roy Moore look like a sexual predator.

    Who knows what a young girl of 14 in a divorced family had seen and heard during her young life, and she easily could have been psychologically disturbed. Having sexual fantasies is a common psychological/emotional problem for young children who have witnessed traumatic activities in broken homes, and notice that she supposedly met Roy Moore while her mother was inside a courtroom because of a child custody hearing.

    I assume you are convinced this is all credible but I am not. Ted Stevens could not be reached for comment.

    This is similar to the WaPoo hit job on George Allen.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  2. has had three divorces, has filed for bankruptcy, and has had IRS problems.

    she easily could have been psychologically disturbed.

    Ya think?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  3. The other three women in the article indicated they had had no sexual encounters with Roy Moore, yet they are brought into the article to try to make Roy Moore look like a sexual predator.

    actually NONE of the honey boo boos had a sexual encounter with Roy Moore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. there was, however, Mateus Rosé

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Was this guy “dating” her between divorces? Yeah, he’s reliable.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  6. Odd thing about the “Mateus” stuff; on Hannity Moore seemed more concerned that anyone might say he gave any minor alcohol in a dry county than that he as a 32 year old guy was hitting on teenagers. Oh, but he asked their moms, plural, if dating them was okay if he did go out with them, but did not recall if he did date them. Sounds akin to
    criminal Molineux issue: Moore has a standard practice of engaging the mothers of underage girls he wants to go out with, a prior course of action he engages each time he did these misdeeds. Was a point Moore could have said, fresh out of the military, he was a red-blooded single American man and made some mistakes, That’s human, and really understandable. But he instead went “I don’t recall”. Unless he’s a stone alcoholic a guy remembers who he went out with.

    I agree with Bannon and Trump on many things. But they need to get another candidate on the ballot if they can, or start a write in campaign if they cannot. Moore is going to lose anyway. At least have the ability to say you won;t be a party to this.

    Bugg (08921e)

  7. the garbage character of Moore

    this seems to be kind of ad hominem to me

    but one thing’s for sure Mr. Moore’s done yeoman’s work nailing the last nail in the coffin of social con christian respectability (metaphorical coffin)

    and America can show its gratitude by voting for Mr. Roy Moore on December 12!

    he’s the best candidate of them all, and his cultural contributions he’s already made are as great as the political ones he’ll surely make in Congress

    But he instead went “I don’t recall”

    this is probably because all of these allegations are lies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. The same media that covered up for Weinstein and spaceys for thirty years now has clean hands tell me another one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. Moore is going to lose anyway. At least have the ability to say you won;t be a party to this.

    I don’t think so. This whole story stinks.

    The NeverTrumpers are all over it but WaPoo had a history of political hits like this.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  10. #1… I agree with your assessment of RS.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. That’s not exactly true about red state, streiff does not follow white whales. As the press seems to release into the wild.

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. Odd thing about the “Mateus” stuff; on Hannity Moore seemed more concerned that anyone might say he gave any minor alcohol in a dry county

    No, he was pointing out the lie. That was a dry county. He could NOT have gotten the wine,

    Patrick should know better than this. He is used to cross examination.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  13. The “Bannon wing” asked for…what? Candidates who get accused of sexual assault in the midst of an election?

    Is there any reason to think that Bannon candidates are more likely than non-Bannon candidates to have this problem?

    Mike P. (dddb3b)

  14. people have already documented the sick drunken misogynist sexual shenanigans of John McCain and the adventures of rape hobbyist Bill Clinton Mr. P

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. 12. Dr K, your remark suggests you never lived in a dry county.

    kishnevi (55d84d)

  16. @15. You’re right. I’ve been in them. To get their beer, they just had to drive farther.

    Tillman (a95660)

  17. Are you allowed to possess alcoholic beverages in a dry county, never mind where you bought it?

    BTW, prior consistent statements are not corroboration. They’re rebuttals to a charge of recent fabrication.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. @17. Usually didn’t possess it, for very long.

    Tillman (a95660)

  19. “Here, hold this puppy dog. They’ll believe you for sure!”

    jcurtis (deea7a)

  20. Dry county means no buying. But if you buy elsewhere, you can have as much as you want. Depending on the exact legal requirements, you might have a private club able to sell to its members (one night memberships not out of the question) or restaurants providing glasses so customers can drink what they bring with them. Some places are strict enough that only true private drinking can take place. But the only way to have a truly dry county is have all the neighboring counties also be dry. Otherwise you just have an abnormal number of package stores and beer emporia two feet over the county line.

    kishnevi (55d84d)

  21. I’ve read three about three different incidents today of accusations that mentions there is corroboration because these friends of the accuser were told way back when about the incident that is being made public today. Richard Dreyfuss, George Takei and Moore. Never heard anything like that in my life before today. I think it’s all connected. They need everyone to assimilate that this sort of claims mean that the stories are true so they are flooding the premise into the psychology of the masses.

    jcurtis (deea7a)

  22. has had three divorces, has filed for bankruptcy, and has had IRS problems.

    she easily could have been psychologically disturbed.

    Ya think?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/10/2017 @ 4:30 pm

    Is there a serial liar triad?

    Pinandpuller (8b3796)

  23. But he instead went “I don’t recall”

    this is probably because all of these allegations are lies

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/10/2017 @ 5:33 pm

    In Christian Alabama State can’t recall you!

    Pinandpuller (8b3796)

  24. Some places are strict enough that only true private drinking can take place. But the only way to have a truly dry county is have all the neighboring counties also be dry. Otherwise you just have an abnormal number of package stores and beer emporia two feet over the county line.

    kishnevi (55d84d) — 11/10/2017 @ 8:13 pm

    Elks Club. VFW. Country Club. Or a place I used to deliver to, The United Ebony Brothers.

    Pinandpuller (8b3796)

  25. Packers fan confirms he smashed crazy chick eight years ago Fox News can now confirm.

    Pinandpuller (8b3796)

  26. Dr K, your remark suggests you never lived in a dry county.

    “Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”

    Jonathan Swift.

    Sir, I turn over my king.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  27. Lest we forget. 11/11, the anniversary of the signing of the armistice that ended WW1.
    Veteran’s day.

    felipe (023cc9)

  28. nk (dbc370) — 11/10/2017 @ 7:57 pm

    Good point, nk.

    felipe (023cc9)

  29. you might have a private club able to sell to its members (one night memberships not out of the question) or restaurants providing glasses so customers can drink what they bring with them- kishnevi (55d84d) — 11/10/2017 @ 8:13 pm

    Quite right. My father was a proprietor of such a place in a dry county.

    felipe (023cc9)

  30. Oh, and it is also “International Singles” day. Swing, you , singles.

    felipe (023cc9)

  31. For all teh singles.

    felipe (023cc9)

  32. 23
    christian Alabama?

    You mean the South has a disciple?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  33. I looked it up. There are dry counties, and dry counties, and dry counties. Three different kinds. In one, you may not possess alcoholic beverages at all. In another, you may have them for your personal use in your own home but may not transfer them to anyone else. In the third, you can’t sell them. And violation of (some of?) these laws is a felony in Alabama. Does anybody know what kind of county this was?

    nk (dbc370)

  34. probably “baptist dry” i’d guess

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. This actually makes me more suspicious, i.e. that the scandal might be manufactured. Mike Ortiz says Corfman told him circa 2009 that she had a sexual encounter with Moore when she was young.

    Moore had been removed from the Alabama Supreme Court in 2003. He ran again in 2012 for the same position and won.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/alabama-senate-republican-roy-moore-greatest-hits/index.html

    Who exactly is Roy Moore?

    …Moore ran and won again in 2012. But again, he defied a federal court decision — this time striking down state laws banning same-sex marriage — and found himself facing off with the same ethics body that effectively ousted him nearly a decade earlier. In April of this year, he resigned his post to pursue Sessions’ vacated seat.

    Why didn’t she speak up in 2012?

    She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them.

    OK, I can understand that. I will even for the sake of argument concede the point. But 12 years later, even if the youngest had been a freshman in 2000, her kids would have been adults in their mid-20s. That concern would have been eliminated. So what was stopping her then?

    She also was concerned that her background — three divorces and a messy financial history — might undermine her credibility.

    What are her finances like now? Because, and this is going to shock everybody, but there are money people in politics who aren’t above paying for this kind of dirt. Fake Russian dossier, anyone? In fact, I’ve read that’s exactly what’s happening in this case. And her credibility isn’t really a factor as this will never see the inside of a court room. So perjury is off the table. And seeing how you can still buy “I believe Anita” T-shirts over a quarter of a century after her credibility was destroyed during Clarence Thomas’ confirmation hearings there is a large body of people automatically inclined and eager to believe her.

    Now you might think I’m automatically inclined to disbelieve her. But she has to come up with a new story to explain her inaction in 2012. That’s a given considering her concerns that she says stopped her in 2000 were no longer an issue. And somebody whose story necessarily must necessarily keep changing raises my suspicions.

    Why isn’t the media asking about Moore’s 2012 reelection? And in an age where we can learn about “Joe the Plumber’s” tax liens within hours of him questioning Obama I’d like to know if she has or has not learned how to handle her finances well since in the past she admits she did not. If she hasn’t learned that would create an opportunity for anyone willing to do anything to stop Moore, wouldn’t it?

    And yes, given the state of our LHMFM those are rhetorical questions.

    I realize this makes me a bad person who has been so corrupted by the age of Trump that I’m willing to overlook anything up to and including PEDOPHILIA!!! But I want to ask people who are taking that position why they’re eager to overlook the undisputed fact that there was an interim election just five years ago when her earlier concerns had evaporated. She could have spoken up and stopped Moore but didn’t. I consider that a legitimate question and I would like to see that addressed by anyone beating the drum of “you’re either on my side or you’re worse than Hitler a fan of child molesters.”

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  36. Just so you know, I don’t have an account at the WaPo so I can’t read the article Dana cited here:

    https://patterico.com/2017/11/11/republican-rep-ed-henry-roy-moores-accusers-should-be-prosecuted/

    Did anyone ask her why she didn’t speak up during Moore’s second campaign? And if so, what was her new story?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  37. I’m going to ask again; can someone with an online subscription to the Wapo check to see if the answer to the natural follow-up question is in the article.

    She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them. She also was concerned that her background — three divorces and a messy financial history — might undermine her credibility.

    I assumed the always-thorough Dana would have included the answer to the natural follow-up question, “Why didn’t you speak up during Moore’s second campaign,” had it been in the article.

    It’s always dangerous to assume; even the best people might miss such details. So to be entirely fair, did she provide an answer to that question, and if so what was it?

    If it’s not in the article it’s for one of two reasons. Either they didn’t ask a question that screamed out for an answer so loudly even a reporter for a high school paper would have asked. Or they did ask but Corfman had such a bad answer the WaPo editors cut it out of the story.

    I will not subscribe to the WaPo in any form just on general principles. Even if they’re giving online subscriptions away for free I’m not going to drive their numbers. But if anybody already has an online subscription a little help would be nice.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  38. Reasonable questions Steve, as datech guy has pointed out the bozos post level of credibility is nil

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. 1) The article does not mention the second campaign. I can think of two reasons off the top of my head why it doesn’t matter: the reporter assumed the reasoning for the first time applied to the second, and did not ask–and her part, the credibility problems were still there. Plus she may have misplaced faith in Alabama voters and thought they wouldn’t elect a judge who had demonstrated contempt for the rule of law.

    BTW, your question also applies to the primary against Strange, and why she didn’t speak out then.

    2)When faced with WaPo paywalls, all you need do is clean cookies.

    kishnevi (1c16da)

  40. I’m no detective, narciso, but I was a naval intelligence officer for twenty years. I was trained to look for what isn’t there that should be there. Like how many NORK subs are in port Mayang-Do naval base today as opposed to yesterday.

    If it’s not in the article, that’s what we would call a clue. It’s the dog that didn’t bark.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  41. Because the article is not about logic its about instilling revulsion, I think it WA a sign of desperation on their part, how can they top this.

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. kishnevi, your reasons for why it doesn’t matter are creative but with all due respect they stretch credulity past the breaking point and they simply do not fly. The fact that the reporter makes the point that these are Corfman’s reasons for not speaking out during Moore’s first campaign for Alabama supreme court justice means the reporter is aware that there was a second.

    So if the reporter thought the same logic applied for Moore’s second campaign, that could only mean the reporter is so stupid as to think it’s possible to spend over 12 years in high school.

    And since the reporter was aware that there was a second Moore campaign, how could this reporter be so stupid as to think Alabama voters “they wouldn’t elect a judge who had demonstrated contempt for the rule of law.” They did, in 2012.

    And even if the reporter was a complete idiot, how could this Grand Canyon of a logical gap in this story get past the “layers and layers of fact checkers” the dinosaur media brags about when claiming superiority over bloggers?

    It’s as if I’m talking about the First World War, and then feign ignorance about there being a Second WW. And years on I claim I don’t know how either one turned out.

    People who didn’t know about the 2nd WW, such as those alive during what we now call the inter-war period, talked about the World War or the Great War without putting a number in front of it. For the very good reason that in, say, 1925 nobody knew there was going to be a Second one. It was only necessary to talk about a First WW after the Second one broke out.

    But since this reporter knew there was a first campaign, that means beyond a shadow of a doubt she knew there was a second one. Either she didn’t ask the obvious follow-up or Corfman’s answer was so bad it was edited out.

    So, Pat, am I still worse than Hitler a fan of child molesters? Because these are obvious, logical questions I’m asking and I’d like to get some answers to them before I conclude Corfman is telling the truth. Because in all seriousness the fact that there’s this huge gaping hole in her story and the Wapo seems to be glossing it over makes my antenna go up.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  43. And now maybe he’s less subject to blackmail, Mr Steve57.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  44. What are her finances like now?

    she works in one of those grubby payday loan places, probably behind shatterproof glass

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. That’s like letting My 600 Pound Life run your Golden Corral.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)


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