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11/4/2017

Gee, This Liberal Columnist Sounds A Bit Like Trump

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:43 am



[guest post by Dana]

It’s always amusing when Trump-haters from the other side of the political aisle reveal how much they actually resemble the target of their frequently expressed disdain. This becomes even more significant when they are members of the professional media, like Los Angeles Times op-ed writer David Horsey, who made clear this week that he, like Trump, sees a woman’s physical appearance as fair-game for public mockery. Except, unlike the equal-opportunity mocker that Trump is, Horsey confines his physical denigration of women to the Republican side of the aisle:

Sarah Huckabee Sanders does not look like the kind of woman that Donald Trump would choose as his chief spokesperson. Much like Roger Ailes when he was stocking the Fox News lineup with blonde Barbie dolls in short, tight skirts, the president has generally exhibited a preference for sleek beauties with long legs and stiletto heels to represent his interests and act as his arm candy.

Trump’s daughter and wife Melania are the apotheosis of this type. By comparison, Sanders looks more like a slightly chunky soccer mom who organizes snacks for the kids’ games. Rather than the fake eyelashes and formal dresses she puts on for news briefings, Sanders seems as if she’d be more comfortable in sweats and running shoes. Yet, even if Trump privately wishes he had a supermodel for a press secretary, he is lucky to have Sanders.

Well, no kidding. Who wouldn’t be more comfortable in sweats and running shoes?? Even Ivanka and Melania must enjoy a break from the daily, back-breaking, toe-crushing confines of stiletto heels and runway attire. But, be that as it may, Horsey, who just last month earnestly exhorted that it’s time for all good men to be allies of women, failed to heed his own advice and followed Trump down the path of lobbing personal insults at a woman instead of focusing solely on the substance of her professional performance.

After receiving swift condemnation from left-leaning media for his remarks – remarks which had surely received editorial approval – Horsey offered this apology:

I want to apologize to Times readers — and to Sarah Huckabee Sanders — for a description that was insensitive and failed to meet the standards of our newspaper. It also failed to meet the expectations I have for myself. It surely won’t be my last mistake, but this particular error will be scrupulously avoided in my future commentaries. I’ve removed the offending description.

Look, a writer whose professional bio reads: Two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist and columnist David Horsey is a political commentator for the Los Angeles Times, is paid the big bucks precisely because he knows how to carefully string together the exact words that will most effectively convey his thoughts on a specific subject. Given that it is this experienced wordsmith’s artful precision that is his bread and butter, I am more than happy to give him credit for saying exactly what he meant to say, and how he meant to say it. That was no mistake. However, what was a mistake was his calculation at what the response from his side of the aisle would be.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Great post. Looks like Dana and I think a lot alike. I had not seen her post when I wrote this for RedState. It is very much the same concept, although with a slightly different spin. I think you’ll enjoy (or be annoyed by, if you’re a diehard Trumper) the collection of examples of misogynistic Trump statements there.

176 Responses to “Gee, This Liberal Columnist Sounds A Bit Like Trump”

  1. Low-hanging fruit.

    Dana (023079)

  2. where did this idea come from that a woman’s physical appearance isn’t fair game for public mockery

    this is a preposterous idea, and completely unworkable

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Huckabeast isn’t so bad when you think about it. Oklahoma inbreeding science has eliminated the extra fingers and toes.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  4. she’s a lil spitfire Mr. burn i been very pleasantly surprised by her

    i hope she sticks around

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. But she’s not submissive like good Christian girls should be.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  6. The whirlwind is being reaped. I hope to have died before they bring in the harvest, I haven’t the means of payment, nor wish to be offered a share of the spoils.

    felipe (023cc9)

  7. A backhanded compliment to cover for another iteration of the grishenko narrative, the 1.2 billion dollars, the support of both the rizzotto press and the wEinstein cabal want enough

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Sanders is Press Secretary because Trump trusts her. There are lots of slim pretty women who could pass Horsey’s chauvinist muster, but their comely appearance and his ossified opinions simply don’t count.

    Horsey’s just a butt-hurt insignificant annoying little ankle-biting yap-dog who would rather pick on an accomplished woman over her looks than face up to the fact she’s doing a high profile job he couldn’t hope to aspire to in 120 reincarnations.

    Horsey shames himself and at the same time insults his gender, devalues his employer, and the profession of journalism itself. He’s a perfect example of a chauvinist pig. Harvey Weinstein, Move Over! A new contender has entered the lists.

    ropelight (e67740)

  9. Twitter hid the fact that the majority of tweets were in favor, but what Robert Gibbs or Tommy vietor, in the last administration

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. Selling the party line since 2008 if nit earlier.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/2008/09/26/shameless-and-clueless-sarah-palin

    Of course his readers won’t be informed that manafort and podesta and weber were working fir Ukraine, when they were on Mccain Hillary and romneys campaign respectively

    narciso (d1f714)

  11. Sounds like more Horseysh*t from the LAT… but the LAT was notorious for that pre-Trump.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  12. I think Ann Coulter would be far more entertaining than S H Sanders. But she suffers fools poorly so maybe it wouldn’t work.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  13. Beenburned attacks Christians but prefers to excuse any despicable act perpetrated in the name of Islam.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  14. Horsey was a French horn player in the Seattle Youth Symphony in his formative years. That will warp anybody.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. Coming from the guy who tagged her “spokeshole” and “f-word-abee” – terms that would be reported to HR if he used them in a professional setting – with no sign at all of self-awareness.

    So pure…….especially as it’s the LA Times.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  16. This post is by Dana.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. There’s nothing wrong with SHS’s body but she should smile more.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. spokeshole lol

    that’s a funnie word

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. Just don’t go slurring your “l”s into “r”s.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. oh my goodness that would be malapropos

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. Brave woman, to read an LAT editorial. I can’t take it anymore.

    And he is sorry for a description that was insensitive? The whole thing was offensive, all about the Trump women’s appearance.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  22. Kevin M (752a26) — 11/4/2017 @ 11:12 am

    Ha! But I belieber you may come to regret speaking aloud the idea

    felipe (023cc9)

  23. Not the first time the cool kids and mean girls at the LAT went too far. Remember the “magic negro” op-ed about how a certain presidential candidate had not lived an authentic black experience? Maybe someday they’ll get back to reporting the news and not becoming it. At least this time they apologized instead of blaming somebody else who mocked them for it.

    crazy (d99a88)

  24. From the author of the article at ThinkProgress to which Dana linked:

    “CNN’s Chris Cuomo reacted to the sketch on his show [Saturday Night Live], saying, ‘I will say this: you guys were mean about Huckabee Sanders… You were fat-shaming her. You were talking about how she looks and what she wears. I thought it was mean, not funny.’

    He’s right.”

    Political correctness has eroded every comedians’ ability to make us laugh. IMO, the more politically incorrect the piece, the heartier the laugh. See Kinneson’s “World Hunger” bit or any Dean Martin roast or Dangerfield standup routine on youtube as examples of that which run afoul of the speech police and keep comedians off of college campuses.

    People have to stop taking themselves too seriously.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  25. i bet she makes a mean lasagna

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Great post. Looks like Dana and I think a lot alike. I had not seen her post when I wrote this for RedState. It is very much the same concept, although with a slightly different spin. I think you’ll enjoy (or be annoyed by, if you’re a diehard Trumper) the collection of examples of misogynistic Trump statements there.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  27. I’m an equal-opportunity critic of sexist pigs. If I criticize Horsey, yet ignore how Trump has treated women, than I am little more than a hypocrite. Party affiliation and loyalty shouldn’t determine how we treat people, and it certainly shouldn’t keep us from pointing out that which is unkind. And whether it’s political correctness or simply good manners that keeps people from denigrating women by attacking their physical appearance, I’m not sure it matters. Although I’d really like it to be just old-fashioned good manners, the kind that reflect a basic regard for one’s neighbor, no matter who they might be and for whom they might work.

    Dana (023079)

  28. From Patterico’s post at Red State:

    Horsey is the same fella who recently wrote a smug column about how he was one of the Good Guys who never harasses women:

    Women who have suffered harassment need to know that the old cliches, such as “all men are alike” or “all men want the same thing” are fallacious. There is an army of men who are very different from the brutish stereotype. . . . There are good guys. We are here. And, if you are looking for someone to stand with you, we say, “me, too.”

    Ha, ha, ha! We know, Mr. Horsey, we know! NTTAWWT

    nk (dbc370)

  29. President Trump’s not a massageyness he’s actually full of love and respect for womens what are lovable and respectable and the others sometimes he likes to tweak them a bit but it’s all in good fun.

    He’s not like Bill Clinton where he just up and rapes women or like dirty-assed Pappy Bush where he violently grabs their cookies (nonconsensual grabbing).

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. And whether it’s political correctness or simply good manners that keeps people from denigrating women by attacking their physical appearance, I’m not sure it matters.

    of course it matters but it’s dangerous to mix up how you treat real women with the trash ones in the ruling class / societal elite

    mocking those ones is the Lord’s work

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. speaking of trashy ruling class womens

    even knowing her for what she is why is Donna Brazile so oddly likeable?

    it must be some species of charisma

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. In Greek world there’s an allowance for “good” thick. She’s the upper half of the normal size spectrum. And what better way to sausfice the TLC Heartland part of your base.

    urbanleftbehind (7007fd)

  33. It is mildly amusing that this is (even in the most remotest of senses) “a thing” at all. Amusing is the typically PC-mad “progressive” response to the Horsely article, but this is topped by Horsely’s by-now-obligatory retraction and mea culpa as to his supposed cultural / feminist insensitivities.

    I mean, really, he didn’t call her a dowdy frump of a woman, whose barest physical attractiveness is in no way enhanced by an engaging personality (non-existant) or even a simple natural capacity to smile authentically (likewise, an all-but-null set). Yet such a description would have been perfectly accurate, if insensitive, as well.

    Rather, his remarks were frankly bland in the extreme, and at the same time something along these lines was necessary to make the point (a valid point, if non-essential, imo; a passing point in the structure of the essay, to be sure, but valid), that Sanders is the antithesis of the physical model of a woman which one would expect His Orangeness to associate himself with (much less affirmatively choose to present as his spokes/lie-person).

    The only thing more amusing yet, is ropelight’s quite over the top response at #8. While that entire post is too too precious for comment, its concluding para. absolutely takes the biscuit:

    Horsey shames himself and at the same time insults his gender, devalues his employer, and the profession of journalism itself. He’s a perfect example of a chauvinist pig. Harvey Weinstein, Move Over! A new contender has entered the lists.

    Too, too, too funny! In and of itself. (And somehow, too, I suspect that if I really really didn’t have a life in the least, and searched this site for chauvanisms, ropelight’s history would provide ample evidence thereof; not that I know . . . (and my most abject apologies if I’m mistaken, of course) . . . but for some reason, I’ve come to take him to be that kind of guy.)

    Q! (86710c)

  34. @ ropelight,

    Horsey shames himself and at the same time insults his gender, devalues his employer, and the profession of journalism itself. He’s a perfect example of a chauvinist pig. Harvey Weinstein, Move Over! A new contender has entered the lists.

    I heartily agree! Now do Trump.

    Dana (023079)

  35. it’s cold and rainy here i hope our little antifas dressed appropriately

    i was gonna go downtown and take some pics but then i got worried the weather had already put the kibosh on the day (plus the lighting promised to be so poor)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. #36, 2 contenders have entered the lists.

    ropelight (e67740)

  37. @6 felipe

    Bringing in the shivs

    Bringing in the shivs

    We will go rejoicing

    Bringing in the shivs

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  38. Kernel: I only admonish Christian hypocrites. Too busy for the minority fairhful.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  39. faithful

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  40. He’s a perfect example of a chauvinist pig.

    Nope. I’m an example of a chauvinist pig, but hardly perfect. Mr. Horsey is a campy, catty guy for whom a woman’s attractiveness will always be an abstract question.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. I heartily agree! Now do Trump.
    Dana (023079) — 11/4/2017 @ 11:56 am

    Ouch! And “Me-e-o-o-w!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  42. Pinandpuller (a97c99) — 11/4/2017 @ 12:10 pm

    LOL!

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. Explanation of #44: Trying to give nk a run for his money, and I am already out of breath, depth, and ideas.

    felipe (023cc9)

  44. Colonel Haiku

    BB’s lady makes him call her “Madam Secretary”.

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  45. The LA Times never did release the video of Obama praising Rashid Khalidi.

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  46. 18 – “This post is by Dana.”

    My bad, so Dana should be criticizing P as well, but as he says above, they think a lot alike.

    TDS would not be what it is without double standards.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  47. The point of the story, is really to rehash the deep state media narrative, ignoring uranium one and the dossier, I like to drill down like cutting up a tauntaun.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. I like to drill down like cutting up a tauntaun. – narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2017 @ 12:28 pm

    That was vivid.

    felipe (023cc9)

  49. To get to the point, now podesta and weber are not spoken of being caught in the tuna net, why is that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Al Roker had bariatric surgery and sh*t himself at The White House so this could be a lot worse. Plus have you seen how big his head looks now?

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  51. My bad, so Dana should be criticizing P as well, but as he says above, they think a lot alike.

    I’m drawing a blank, Hardin. Why should I be criticizing Patterico??

    Dana (023079)

  52. So what would horse say about her:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/02/rex-tillersons-spokeswoman-says-it-is-her-pleasure-to-work-with-talented-journalists-every-day/

    Its like the claws out overthe bashing of Megan
    Since she took the wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up in the phantom zone.

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. There is nothing “grand” or “old” about the Republican Party anymore. The GOP is dead.

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/11/02/republican-party-virginia-governor-race

    So what are we arguing about?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  54. SHS’s should steer into it like Phyllis Diller. Start hanging out with Scoobie Doo and The Super Friends. And watch The DUFF.

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  55. And what better way to sausfice the TLC Heartland part of your base.

    — Let’s go to Big Girls for $200.
    — Answer: “Skinny women can do this for your”. Doug!
    — What is “Not a dam’ thing”?

    Watch it again.

    nk (dbc370)

  56. I used to go in a business a couple of times a week to get a ticket signed. There was a lovely young girl working the desk. I couldn’t help but notice she had an All Seeing Eye tattooed at the apex of her cleavage. I never said this but I wanted to:

    Do you ever have to tell guys [pointing] “my eye is up here”?

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  57. So she’s a Trump Frump; keeps the chocolate cream pie vote happy, eh Captain, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2017 @ 12:38 pm
    I don’t care where you’re from; that was funny.

    felipe (023cc9)

  59. The faithful Christians aren’t the ones blowing stuff up. If you don’t live your life like the M Word you aren’t being faithful.

    Pinandpuller (a97c99)

  60. That just proves Sowell and Webb right, nk. The Saleena Zito/ Debra Saunders coven hasn’t gone down that primrose path yet.

    urbanleftbehind (7007fd)

  61. @56. Grand Old Phossils.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. 63

    Not blowing stuff up

    Minimal requirement bar has been met.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  63. So if northam losers, that’s just a flesh wound?

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. Oops. 56 is addressed to harkin, not Hardin… I don’t know who that is…

    Dana (023079)

  65. nk @ 60,

    That vid is hilarious!

    Dana (023079)

  66. Kind of like the supervisor in wanted, and dead like me

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. “Car Tape”
    lmao

    mg (31009b)

  68. On an up note, apparently the new Civil War promised us by the RCP set to begin today was a big dud. The LAT reports breathlessly that “dozens” of protestors showed up, lol. That means 20.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  69. In Chicago, thank the rain and perhaps a passel of BIG 10 fare that resulted in the conference likely losing one of the 4 spots in the playoff (tOSU lost big, PSU lost another squeaker).

    urbanleftbehind (7007fd)

  70. 68, that’s an own goal, more like the thug that shot his peepee off.

    urbanleftbehind (7007fd)

  71. this is still a good day to emphatically say no to fascism i think Mr. urban

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  72. Haven’t they learned anything from Operation Barbarossa? You never start a war this late in the year in a northern climate.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. nonono not this close to the holidays

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. They are using the same crack intelligence, that assured they would get the Chicago olympics

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. Dana: I’m drawing a blank, Hardin. Why should I be criticizing Patterico?

    If you agree “spokeshole” and “f-word-abee” are proper terms for Sanders, you shouldn’t…….otherwise…..

    PP used those terms to describe her in an earlier post.

    “Amusingly, the White House spokeshole, Sarah F-word-abee Sanders, later denied Trump had said that, in an exchange with showboat Jim Acosta.

    https://patterico.com/2017/11/02/white-house-lies-about-trump-comments-on-u-s-justice-system/

    harkin (10a18c)

  76. i don’t think she’s a spokeshole i think she’s nice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. Sweet ladies lie. Everybody knows that.

    nk (dbc370)

  78. I guess one has to include the whole dog trainer column to make the point:
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-huckabee-sanders-20171031-story.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. @75

    Are you kidding me? I cut the heads off all these white parents for nothing.

    Davethulhu (399475)

  80. it’ll be good practice for next time Mr. thulhu

    keep the faith brother

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. I aak rh reurhinhnaa od SEZ GAWD!]]

    Ask me how.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. TDS continues to make people calling Trump a fool step on the rake of irony:

    Edit: An earlier version of this article used a headline noting that Trump had publicly called for the death penalty in the New York attack, but not the Las Vegas shooting in particular. That discrepancy is probably related to the fact that the Las Vegas shooter is dead. We regret the error.”GQ Magazine

    harkin (b32ce9)

  83. If God were to speak to us would we know?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. Yes, but lets put it this way, Steve, how did they treat isiah and Jeremiah in their day?

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. Well Isaiah was (in rabbinic tradition) executed by Manasseh, who was (again, in rabbinic tradition) his grandson and cousin (tradition says Isaiah was first cousin, and eventually father-in-law, of Hezekiah).

    kishnevi (c91988)

  86. OT — on a classic Dem playbook move, the FBI releases docs yesterday in FOIA case about Dep. Dir. Andrew McCabe’s supervision of the Clinton Email case.

    Remember, McCabe’s wife ran for State Senate in Virginia, and received $700,000 from Terry McAuliffe’s PAC, which was almost all the money she raised for the race she ultimately lost.

    McCabe never disclosed that to the FBI on the basis that money to her campaign was not “income” within the definition used in FBI disclosure requirements. And now it turns out he did not actually recuse himself from the Clinton Email investigation until Nov. 1, 2016 — just days before the election.

    The Hill has a bunch of the documents released by the FBI posted on its website.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  87. Well you make my point, kish,

    So David hirsey’s Jedi mind trick was to make people unaware of all that

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. If God wants you to hear Him, you will hear Him. Whether you will heed Him is entirely up to you.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. If God wants you to hear Him, you will hear Him. Whether you will heed Him is entirely up to you.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2017 @ 9:16 pm

    If? Are you kidding me? Of course He wants you to hear Him. It is, then, up to you, to heed Him.

    felipe (023cc9)

  90. Well, what if He’s talking to Noah, Abraham or Moses and it’s a private conversation?

    nk (dbc370)

  91. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/4/2017 @ 6:40 pm

    He has, Steve57. And yes, we know. What year is it? That is right!

    felipe (023cc9)

  92. The fact that you even know these names answers your question.

    felipe (023cc9)

  93. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. — John 5:37

    We may be talking about different things. Very few people have been privileged to talk directly with God the Father. Adam, Eve, Cain, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, in the Old Testament; Peter, James and John heard Him in the New Testament heard Him. (I may have left someone out.) The rest of us have The Word, Who is Christ, which I think is what you mean and I agree.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. Nk is reduced to silence. Not by me, a sinner! but by He Who is.

    nk, Your fight is not with me, a sinner, nor is it with the chosen people of G*d, but with the adversary.

    felipe (023cc9)

  95. Well said, nk.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. Those and many more, Felipe, its rather striking how we don’t listen

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. Once, again, you are right, nk. I welcome the humiliation that I deserve.

    Lord, dull my pride and sharpen my humility.

    felipe (023cc9)

  98. Well I think he means a more direct connection

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. Humiliation? Why? I understood Steve’s question one way and you understood it another. I don’t know about you, but I’ve committed worse sins.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. Yes, narciso, I agree that we do not listen.

    felipe (023cc9)

  101. Because our mere understanding cannot grasp the enormity of his power, it is humility not humiliation.

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. nk, the Truth does not change. It is absolute. And you are quite right in that we may understand the truth in different ways, but it is we who are at fault if we do not understand the truth as it truly is.

    “I’ve committed worse sins” You are on the right path for saying this.

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. I suspect what really set off horsey was the fact that sanders is a bible believing Christian

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2017 @ 10:07 pm

    Humiliation dulls pride, to make way for humility.

    felipe (023cc9)

  105. Seeking truth is not prideful, it is asserting that you know it all is.

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2017 @ 10:19 pm

    that is correct.

    felipe (023cc9)

  107. Much of media and academe, even in Catholic universities are mind arson.

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. And protestant redoubts Luke Harvard and Yale, I should add.

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. Are you kidding me? I cut the heads off all these white parents for nothing.
    Davethulhu

    A for effort, Dave. F for revolutionary discipline!

    You meant well though, and that counts!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  110. Patricia (5fc097) — 11/4/2017 @ 10:44 pm

    That was a thing of beauty, Pat! Kudos.

    felipe (023cc9)

  111. McCabe never disclosed that to the FBI on the basis that money to her campaign was not “income” within the definition used in FBI disclosure requirements. And now it turns out he did not actually recuse himself from the Clinton Email investigation until Nov. 1, 2016 — just days before the election.

    If it is a crime for us to lie to the FBI, why isn’t the FBI lying to us a crime?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  112. Someone kindly ask Felip what year it is.

    Let’s have some fun.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. However much this LAT write got teased as a child for his own surname, it wasn’t enough.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  114. Good thing there is an extra hour for Dana to recover from the sting of #84.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  115. 128.Good thing there is an extra hour for Dana to recover from the sting of #84.

    Wasn’t trying for sting, just recognition of an obvious double standard here.

    harkin (10a18c)

  116. #129, “sting” may have been a little harsh. It was a good catch on your part and I’m curious what the response will be.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  117. As Republicans rush to get this bill passed before it is read, the big lies will be exposed. The rich will clean up; some in the middle class—particularly those with large families—will pay more. Wealthy real-estate operators, investors, lawyers, and accountants will pocket most of the so-called small business “pass-through” tax break. Repatriation and territoriality will give corporations even more incentive to rig their books to report profits in tax havens abroad. But the specific outrages are neither as destructive nor as appalling as the entire project itself. By making it harder to address America’s crippling public-investment deficits, large tax cuts, if passed, will accelerate this country’s decline.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gop-tax-bill-is-an-attempt-to-destroy-government/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  118. The commie rants from teh Van Huevel rag are always amusing, thanks for the Sunday morning funnies, beenburned.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  119. “My problem with Sarah Huckabee Sanders,” Downie continued, “I’m concerned about the level of her holding herself up as an evangelical, but yet, Trump is accused of having a 16 percent track record when it comes to telling true statements and mostly true statements. And she holds up what he’s saying and she lies. Her cortisol level is rising. She’s squirming as she lies sometimes.”

    Downie noted that Sanders “reads a Christian devotional apparently every day before she gets up to speak in front of the White House press corps.”

    “So as a Catholic, I’m looking at her and I’m concerned about her upholding Trump’s lies,” the Fox News guest added.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  120. Your very welcome kernel popcorn.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  121. Just stay off Highway 61…

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  122. When a liberal says something that is not appropriate / politically correct, they quickly apologize. What do Republicans do in the same circumstance? Nothing.

    And yet, liberals are demonized anyway. Go figure.

    Where’s Rush’s apology for calling liberal women “Femi-Nazis” for years, huh? Crickets.

    Tillman (a95660)

  123. That would be hypocrite Huckabeast Highway? I think you’re in it..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  124. Tillman.

    That’s the empathy gap..

    Conservatives lack that gene.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  125. Of course they display a form of faux empathy.

    Those who agree with them absolutely and blood relations. But those persons merely represent an extension of themsekves…ergo…fake empathy.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  126. making it harder to address America’s crippling public-investment deficits

    One only has to see how taxes have risen to contemplate how they can at the same time be of a ‘crippling’ deficiency.

    See: ‘public employee pension/benefit mandates’ and burdensome over-regulation.

    Sooner or later the American people need to reckon with the shift of tax investment from infrastructure to past and present public employees and prosperity-stunting regulation.

    IOW – liberals need to look in the mirror when contemplating the destruction of public trust, the foundation of capable governance.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  127. liberals need to look in the mirror when contemplating the destruction of public trust, the foundation of capable governance.

    I should add that they also lack self awareness. That’s a genuine challenge..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  128. “When a liberal says something that is not appropriate / politically correct, they quickly apologize.

    Yes – the apologies from liberals calling conservatives racists, fascists, nazis and white supremacists have been overwhelming.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  129. We only apologize for falsehoods.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  130. If the Left was truly contrite, the apologies would never stop. But their valuation of intentions over results has left them crippled.

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  131. Off-topic, but having grandchildren is a wonderful blessing!

    Colonel Haiku (951ecf)

  132. Coming from the guy who tagged her “spokeshole” and “f-word-abee” – terms that would be reported to HR if he used them in a professional setting – with no sign at all of self-awareness.

    So pure…….especially as it’s the LA Times.

    harkin (b32ce9) — 11/4/2017 @ 10:57 am

    Followed by a clarification of what he was referencing:

    Dana: I’m drawing a blank, Hardin. Why should I be criticizing Patterico?

    If you agree “spokeshole” and “f-word-abee” are proper terms for Sanders, you shouldn’t…….otherwise…..

    PP used those terms to describe her in an earlier post.

    “Amusingly, the White House spokeshole, Sarah F-word-abee Sanders, later denied Trump had said that, in an exchange with showboat Jim Acosta.

    Good morning, harkin (and BuDuh),

    No sting here, and certainly no double-standard being exercised by our host. Perhaps this is too nuanced for you guys (and I say that because sometimes I miss these things too), but, if you click on the link where he references Sarah F-word-abee Sanders, and then actually watch it – it is quite obvious that Patterico is riffing on Megyn Kelly’s slip of the tongue wherein she introduces Mike Huckabee, saying quite clearly:

    …joining me now, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who is the host of “Fucka…”

    We can see that Mike Huckabee caught the slip-up, and gave a little laugh as Kelly immediately corrects herself “…of Huckabee right here on the Fox News channel…”

    Also, if you go through Patterico’s post wherein he references politician’s representatives or spokespersons, he refers to them generally as “spokesholes,” gender notwithstanding. My impression is, he doesn’t much care for them. Examples here, here, here, here, and here for starters. Whether it was regarding male or female, Democrat or Republican, “spokeshole” appears to be his gender-neutral go-to term when referring to people in this particular job capacity. You may continue to search out more references, if you like. And while the term is not something I use, clearly Patterico uses it on any who work the job (and have been dishonest to the American people in defense of their bosses).

    Bottom line: do your homework *before* making any insinuations, particularly ugly ones against our host, or anyone else. The latter which would include me as you clearly threw down the gauntlet.

    Dana (023079)

  133. Oh, funny, my comment at 148 got stuck in moderation because of the “F***abee* reference, I guess!

    Dana (023079)

  134. OUCH

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  135. Because of the allegations and rumors swirling in the media and in the capitol, the majority leadership team of the Kentucky House of Representatives is taking steps to launch an independent investigation so that Members of the House and the general public may know the facts,” House leaders said in a statement. “Because the rumors involve the Speaker of the House, other State Representatives, and members of the House staff, the leadership team concluded that we must find the truth immediately to assure the public that the new Republican majority takes this matter seriously. We are not going to operate on rumor and innuendo; we are going to make decisions based on facts.”

    Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article182770501.html#storylink=cpy

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  136. Off-topic, but having grandchildren is a wonderful blessing!
    Colonel Haiku (951ecf) — 11/5/2017 @ 9:10 am

    I don’t know how our esteemed host may feel, but having nieces and nephews is a blessing, too.

    I have never been given the gift of having children.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  137. @Lenny @26.

    Saturdsay Night Live has actually been doing that for some time. Even before Sarah Huckabee Sanders became Press Secretary.

    When Sean Spicer was still there – an actress playing her (she had asomewhat bit role) had her introducing herself by saying my father was (maybe Mike Huckabee) and my mother was (something to do with fatness I forgot) The actress who played her was fatter than SHS was.

    When I saw this sketch last night I turned off the TV. I turned it off earlier also during Larry David’s monologue that included a bit about a Nazi concentration camp. They killed many more than they made work.

    Now, last week Thursday (I think or maybe Wednesday) Stephen Colbert had a very good sketch better than Saturday Night Live. It played upon Paul Manafort’s rug purchases. (There are often cold open sketches on that show.)

    It parodied an anti-drug ad. It even had a several second shot of a 20 something woman saying that she spent so much money on rugs she didn’t have any money to buy heroin. “This is your brain on rugs)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eebb9)

  138. Further, harkin and BuDuh,

    To assert that Patterico is a double-standard, body-shaming misogynist, is to have either not been paying attention all these years to his character which has been clearly revealed at this site (like him or not is another matter entirely), or to willfully ignore what is very apparent so you can push your accusatory narrative. Either way, shame on you.

    And, to assert that I am a double-standard, Patterico-protecting individual is to assert that I am weak, or intimidated by our host, or a coward. Whatever the reason, double shame on you.

    (If I were in your position, I would give myself a big heaping spoonful of STFU as I contemplated my own disingenuousness for making the digs, and then consider whether an apology would be appropriate. Not because anyone who may have been insulted needs it, but because it’s the right thing to do. But that’s just me.)

    Dana (023079)

  139. I get it. Megyn Kelly and Mike Huckabee caused Patterico to import and direct the insult toward Sarah Sanders who had nothing to do with the exchange between Megyn and Mike.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    BuDuh (2dc7e2)

  140. Dana, was that directed at me?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  141. 32.

    [Trump’s] not like Bill Clinton where he just up and rapes women

    You shouldn’t use the present tense. I think it is fair to say that Bill Clinton tried that out a few times on an experimental basis, found out he could do it, but also found out he didn’t really get anything out of it.

    or like dirty-assed Pappy Bush where he violently grabs their cookies (nonconsensual grabbing).

    It wasn’t grabbing, it was pinching. He statement said he pinched their buttocks (rather than what, their arms??) because he was in a wheelchair. Probably another experiment gone wrong that he probably only started well after he was 85.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eebb9)

  142. Ah yes the mca (Jules stein) heir lecturing us. Now interesting that once upon a time, Hamilton fish 111, was published at the nation.

    narciso (364166)

  143. So it actually turned out, that judge nance ignored order and discipline out of his Abita.

    In other news it may actually be that Kimberly fritts ends up managing uranium one

    narciso (7442e5)

  144. Oh, please, BuDuh. Just stop it.

    Steve57, not at all.

    Dana (023079)

  145. Breaking the tufnel rule
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/92q7042897471565824

    Actually dutertes harsh words seem to work.

    In other news the Catalan leader is turning himself in and returning from brussels

    narciso (7442e5)

  146. Ok. I will stop. You explained it well. Very well.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  147. 95. 96. Jeremiah was put in jail but also released by the king, who seemed to be afraid to take his advice. Later on, he declined to go to babylon, but after Gedaliah, the Governor put in place by the Babylonians, was assassinated, the last remaining Jews in Judea forced him to go along with them to Egypt.

    In Egypt he condemned (Jeremoah 44) the idol worship that the Jews were doing in Egypt, and especially what the women had done in baking cakes for and offering drink offerings to the “Queen of Heaven” (they had assigned to God a “wife”) and got a reply that they suffered because they had STOPPED doing that. Jeremiah said they would suffer and the proof that he was right and they were wrong was that the Pharoah Hophra would be put into the hands of those who seek his life.

    Herodotus tells the story of how the Egyptians attempted to avoid having that prophecy come true – that is, they tried not to execute him after he was deposed. But in the end they did. Herodotus calls the Pharoah Apries. He is also called Wahibre Haaibre.

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0126:book=2:chapter=169

    [2] Apries, they say, supposed that not even a god could depose him from his throne, so firmly did he think he was established; and now, defeated in battle and taken captive, he was brought to Saïs, to the royal dwelling which belonged to him once but now belonged to Amasis. [3] There, he was kept alive for a while in the palace and well treated by Amasis. But presently the Egyptians complained that there was no justice in keeping alive one who was their own and their king’s bitterest enemy; whereupon Amasis gave Apries up to them, and they strangled him and then buried him in the burial-place of his fathers.

    Rawlinson has:

    It is said that Apries believed that there was not a god who could cast him down from his eminence, so firmly did he think that he had established himself in his kingdom. But at this time the battle went against him, and his army being worsted, he fell into the enemy’s hands and was brought back a prisoner to Sais, where he was lodged in what had been his own house, but was now the palace of Amasis. Amasis treated him with kindness, and kept him in the palace for a while; but finding his conduct blamed by the Egyptians, who charged him with acting unjustly in preserving a man who had shown himself so bitter an enemy both to them and him, he gave Apries over into the hands of his former subjects, to deal with as they chose. Then the Egyptians took him and strangled him, but having so done they buried him in the sepulchre of his fathers.

    Herodotus does not mention Jeremiah because his whole aim in writing his lectures/books was to write the Jews out of history, and every chance he gets he carves any mention of Jews or Judea out of it. He doesn’t even mention how the Persian Wars came to an end, because he’d have to mention Mordechai. He doesn’t mention Nehemiah but at another point says about someone else that his “son held the office — an honour of no small account in Persia — of his cupbearer.”

    How his enemies treated the defeated Pharoah was just too good a story for Herodotus to leave out but he left out the prediction of Jeremiah, which explains the reason for the original treatment of the defeated king.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eebb9)

  148. First the War on contraception now this. Why does the Republican Party hate taking responsibility for their charges?
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/why-would-republicans-scrap-the-adoption-tax-credit/article/2010353

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  149. Dana – “To assert that Patterico is a double-standard, body-shaming misogynist, is to have either not been paying attention…..”

    To imply I said anything about body-shaming is to be as ignorant as you seem to imply I am. I will stick with my opinion and so far nothing changes it.

    I will only state that had PP uttered the quote I referenced in a work environment, his transgression would be deemed at least as bad as Horsey’s and he would be in hot water with the HR people. Believe it.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  150. ugh Frank Bruni at the “new york times” launches a visciously misogynistic attack on on Sarah Huckabee what’s too graphic and shameful to link here

    Brutal.

    I guess being print-raped like this is just the price of public service anymore, but still, it’s harrowing to see this sort of thing done so unabashedly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. Also Dana, to use a slip up by m Kelly talking about someone else as an excuse to F-bomb Huckabee-Sanders is more fit for a restroom wall than a blog.

    harkin (b32ce9)

  152. Hucksuccubus eats derision for breakfast so it’s obvious why she still eats the microphone for Trump. She even shrinks her Old Man’s balls ffs.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  153. “Donna Brazile Says She Was ‘Haunted’ by Murder of Seth Rich, Feared for Her Life”

    “If the claim that he was the one who gave WikiLeaks the DNC emails is just a lot of alt-right nonsense, why would she feel the need to shut her blinds and install surveillance cameras?”

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/donna-brazile-says-haunted-murder-seth-rich-feared-life/

    harkin (b32ce9)

  154. Hucksuccubus eats derision for breakfast so it’s obvious why she still eats the microphone for Trump. She even shrinks her Old Man’s balls ffs.

    hrm got a pic of her eating that mic?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. oopers *viciously* misogynistic attack on on Sarah Huckabee

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. That would be pornographic like discouraging contraception whilst discouraging adoption.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  157. 171. That would be the common sense approach, like encouraging paying for your own contraception whilst encouraging adoption.

    fyp

    harkin (9803a7)

  158. it makes perfect sense that an adoption tax credit does two things

    #1 subsidizes the crap out of rich people’s life choices

    #2 actually raises the cost of adoption much like slopping college student-pigs with subsidized loans raises the cost of tuition

    but look at virtue-signalling trash like Ben Sasse try to exploit this anyway

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. I will only state that had PP uttered the quote I referenced in a work environment, his transgression would be deemed at least as bad as Horsey’s and he would be in hot water with the HR people. Believe it.

    Harkin,

    That is the second comment you have made that references my work. Are you a baseball fan? The rule is: three strikes and you’re out. No appeal, no nothing. You’re just gone. I trust I have made myself clear.

    Patterico (55b816)

  160. The point is, horseys argument clinic wasnt properly challenged, his maherism was just a diversion.

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. The decline of the LA Times has had many markers. But giving a podium to a cartoonist is one of the more memorable. A newspaper that can’t provide original reporting on its own home town industry, or even its own schools, invites a cartoonist to its op ed page.

    Horsey did cartoons at the University of Washington in the 70’s and has–to my knowledge–never run a real business, invented anything, served in the military, mastered foreign affairs, or done anything material. He just emotes. And that -and the right politics-seems to be all it takes to get space at the LAT nowadays.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)


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