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Go to Hell, Alicia Pain

Filed under: — Patterico @ 4:26 am

Or maybe just to jail.


My Conversation With “Alicia Pain,” the Person Who Threatened Me Last Night

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:52 am

So when I got a threat last night, my first impulse was to post the whole thing. I think it was 60 seconds between the time I read the email and my post. In case you missed that post, this is what I received:

You need to stop digging into Genette Cordova and Rep. AW. I cannot insure your safety if you continue.
Do not trust anyone.

Please think about your family. This story is not worth it. I can assure you that.

Please remember, your safety cannot be assured if you continue.

I am trying to help you, a lot of people are very disappointed that this story has continued.

You can continue with the story if you so desire, but your safety cannot be assured.

Thank you for your cooperation and your understanding.

Yours Truly- Alicia

It was written mostly in red font, which as you know is the preferred font of those who issue threats, because of its fear-inspiring nature.

Right about the time I hit publish, I got an e-mail from Ace asking if I had received the threat. He then followed up with other e-mails showing how he responded to Alicia, and how she escalated her rhetoric. Read the exchange at Ace’s.

So I thought: hey, if this person will talk to Ace, maybe they’ll talk to me. So I started using tactics similar to what Ace used. I figured if Ace got her talking, maybe copying his manner would work for me too.

Here is the exchange we had.

I responded:

Is this a joke?

After half an hour I prodded further:

Where did you go? Did you fall asleep? Isn’t it a little early for a drama queen to have gone to bed?

Right around midnight, I got a response:

I did not. No reason to start calling names. With that said, You decided to ignore my advice. I was trying to help you. I am no longer able to help you. Consequent thereto, you will have to deal with the consequences of your actions, whatever those consequences may entail. I hope you make the right decisions from here on out.

And yes, I am aware of the fact that you are a prosecutor in the gang task force in Santa Monica.

And no this is NOT a threat, this is just a friendly request, that you leave this story alone and not release any more PRIVATE and INTIMATE emails.
Your actions are causing some people quite a bit of disappointment and anger.

I appreciate your time and cooperation-sincerely yours, Alicia

All bold in this post is in the original. I responded, again copying Ace’s tactics:

I figured you’d back down when someone called you on it. Too late, though. Taking an obvious threat and pretending it’s not doesn’t neutralize the threat. It becomes difficult to get a job when people learn you have gone around threatening people on the Internet.

Good luck finding meaningful employment after this.

Sincerely yours,


I loved how they kept using the “sincerely yours” signature block. I added:

Oh: after reading your e-mail I decided to pursue the story further and publish more.



P.S. I’d also love to publish a story about your getting arrested for Internet threats. That’d be good copy.

(The link, of course, is to last night’s document dump, which includes alleged DMs from Rep. Weiner to “Nikki Reid” in which he uses the f-word (to describe how he likes to mock conservative “trolls”) and seems to joke about considering going to prom with her. Worth your time if you haven’t read it.)

They responded:

You really think so? Let’s see CA PC 422:
Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family’s safety
, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
So go ahead…..File the charging documents. Request the warrants. I’ll have to check the bail schedule. I’ll see you at the jail.
But you can’t and you won’t and no prosecutor would charge me with anything.
I am sorry, if you felt that “I” myself threatened you. I don’t threaten people.
I simply made the observation that your safety could not be assured.
And I have meaningful employment at this time. I am sort of a janitor, I help fix and clean up my clients problems.
I have relayed my disappointment to Mr. Reid (not his real name) as well. She has decided she will respect my concerns.

I appreciate your continued cooperation, Sincerely yours-Alicia

The emphasis was in that scary red font, but I don’t know how to do that. Sorry. She followed up:

I have no interest in reading your story. I am confident that LE will not arrest me. However, if they do, I will give you an exclusive interview, right before I post bail. I am confident, that will not be the case.
I have enough information, that if my client chooses to a certain unnamed adult person would be facing serious felony charges, see PC 314.
Thank you for your continued cooperation in this manner, sincerely yours-Alicia *kiss*

You will later see that she is apparently referring to some unnamed “unemployed person.” Not sure who that is. Penal Code section 314 has to do with indecent exposure, which could be a reference to Weiner, who is newly unemployed, but I don’t know. Anyway, I said:

Ever heard of an attempted 422? That’s where someone tries to threaten someone but fails.

It’s half the time, but it can still be a felony. Check section 664 along with 422.

This all assumes that we’re talking California state law. I don’t know about federal law having to do with using the Internet to threaten people. But I can learn.

I actually was inclined to laugh this off at first. Now? Not so sure. May make some phone calls tomorrow.

She responded:

I’m sorry there is no 664/422. And you’re a prosecutor really? And any attempt=the same time. So a 664/496(a) is the same sentence as a 496(a). Like I said I am just a janitor, except instead of cleaning bathrooms, floors, I clean up peoples problems. That is what I get paid to do. I do whatever is in the best interest of my clients.
You can go ahead and make some calls tomorrow, sadly you will only embarrass yourself. Especially if you try to have me charged with 664/422.

Thank you for your continued cooperation, sincerely yours-Alicia *kiss* *wink*

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. There is indeed a crime of attempted criminal threat. Those who believe different should talk to Ryan Toledo. Here is a quote from his appeal, which he lost:

Given the record before us, the only element of terrorist threat the jury might have found to be attempted but not completed was her testimony that she was not frightened by appellant’ s statements. The jury was entitled to find that a reasonable person would have been, thus Appellant was properly convicted of attempted terrorist threat.

As for any attempt being punishable by the same amount of prison time as the underlying crime, well, read section 664 of the California Penal Code. The relevant language:

Every person who attempts to commit any crime, but fails, or
is prevented or intercepted in its perpetration, shall be punished
where no provision is made by law for the punishment of those
attempts, as follows:
(a) If the crime attempted is punishable by imprisonment in the
state prison, the person guilty of the attempt shall be punished by
imprisonment in the state prison for one-half the term of
imprisonment prescribed upon a conviction of the offense attempted.

Every practicing criminal attorney knows this. So where did Alicia get the idea that the time is the same? Well, she talks about looking at a bail schedule. The Los Angeles Superior Court’s bail schedule (.pdf) states on page 10 that the bail for an an attempt (with noted and irrelevant exceptions) is

Same as substantive offense

As I said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I responded:

You didn’t actually look up section 664, did you?

As for there being no attempted 422, tell the people who have been convicted at trial.

It’s amusing enough having you explain California law to me. Now explain federal law on Internet threats. Let’s see if you do as well with that.

Then explain to me who your client is. Mr./Mrs. Not-Reid?

She responded:

No, I did not look up section 664 because I already know what it is. You’re going to start our relationship with lies? I am very disappointed in you. I know you are better than that. Nobody has ever been convicted of 664/422, and you know this. Last e-mail you tried to tell me that 664 =half the time. I see you have conceded that you were mistaken. A 664(whatever)= the same time as the attempted crime carried.
It’s not amusing that I have to explain California law to you, it’s actually pretty sad really.
I’m not an attorney, however most of my clients are attorneys. Like I said I am a janitor, I clean up people’s problems. It’s amazing how much someone will pay for their freedom.
I don’t give out the identities of my clients. Let’s just say my client is not “known” yet by anyone.
I am not a partisan, it doesn’t pay me enough.
I know you are a prosecutor. I know you consider gang members “terrorists”
I don’t blame you really.
Let me cut to the bottom line. I deliver you information that will send a certain “unemployed person” to prison.
I do not want anything in exchange.

“I’m not an attorney.” You don’t say!

Note how the “janitor” reference interfaces with the exchange Alicia had with Ace. I said:

I’ll ignore your ignorant bluster on California penal law and ask you to send whatever you want. If you have evidence that someone committed a crime, let’s see it.

This doesn’t mean you haven’t committed a crime yourself, because you have.

She responded:

Well what can I say? If you really want to bring me to justice, I encourage you to do so. Here is the best number to call: Stalking and Threat Assessment Team (STAT)
Inside line: X[redacted] or (213) 974-[redacted]. If you hurry you might be able to get me off the streets before the weekend. But the chance of the warrant going in to the system before Monday is almost none. I am confident I have not committed a crime.
I will only act in the best interest of my client. I will get in contact with telephonically and will make arrangements for you to receive the information, if that is the course of action that needs to be taken. Remember GL also had contact with me, as I advised her. She sadly chose against her best interests in going with GA. Unfortunately.
Thank you for your continued cooperation, sincerely yours, Alicia *kiss*

I’m redacting the number because I don’t want you guys calling it.

If you haven’t been following this closely: GL is Ginger Lee. GA is Gloria Allred. And Ginger Lee did receive threats.

It’s hard to feel too threatened by a chucklehead who can’t string a sentence together and derives their understanding of California penal law by reading a bail schedule. Still, I wonder . . .

They’re not giving Anthony Pellicano Internet access in federal prison, are they?


Timeline of Anthony Weiner’s Sociopathic Sexting and The Dishonesty of Him and His Wife Huma Abedin

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:10 am

Here is the timeline you need to read to understand what a sociopath Anthony Weiner is, and how his wife Huma Abedin has actively helped him lie to the public about his supposed rehabilitation.

The sources for this timeline include:

  • timeline ( is the site that broke this story) based on interviews with Weiner’s latest sexting partner

June 3-5, 2011: Anthony Weiner (supposedly) dramatically decides not to lie to Huma any more. From the New York Times puff piece:

By June 1, when Weiner said, “I can’t say with certitude” if the picture was of him, it was clear, at least to most of the world, that he was guilty of something. That weekend, Weiner and Abedin escaped to a friend’s house in the Hamptons to get away from all the “hoopla,” as Weiner calls it, “and that’s when people starting coming out of the woodwork. I got a call from Chris Cuomo saying that they had someone who was going to say that I texted with her. It reached this point where I just sat down with Huma and said, ‘Listen, I can’t. . . . I don’t want to lie.’ . . . I just didn’t want to lie anymore to her.” Here, his voice cracks and tears well up in his eyes. “I have a choppy memory of it, but she was devastated. She immediately said, ‘Well you’ve got to stop lying to everyone else too.’ And basically we drove back to the city, and she said: ‘You’ve just got to tell everyone the truth. Telling me doesn’t help any.’ It was brutal. It was completely out of control. There was the crime, there was the cover-up, there was harm I had done to her. And there’s no one who deserved this less than Huma. That’s really the bottom line. No one deserved to have a dope like me do that less than she did.”

Abedin’s memory of this moment is a little sharper. “The weekend was over, we’re about to leave, the car is packed, and Anthony said: ‘I have something to tell you. I can’t lie to you anymore. It’s true. It’s me. The picture is me. I sent it. Yes, these stories about the other women are true.’ And it was every emotion that one would imagine: rage and anger and shock. But more than anything else, in the immediate, it was disbelief. The thing that I consciously remember saying over and over and over again is: ‘I don’t understand. What is going on? What’s happening to our lives?’ ”

June 5, 2011: Andrew Breitbart gets the goods on Weiner. I spoke to Andrew Breitbart on the phone on June 5, 2011, and he told me what he had. This part of the New York Times story still irritates me, because they wrote out of the history books the way that Breitbart’s revelations clearly prompted the hasty press conference. I have much more on this part of the timeline, but have placed it in a separate page because it is a distraction from the flow of this timeline.

June 6, 2011: Hasty press conference called. Weiner admits he had been smearing Breitbart and that he was sexting multiple women.

June 9, 2011: This blog publishes proof that Weiner sent direct messages to a Delaware high school girl, including a reference to “cape and tights,” a grooming line he also used with an adult woman with whom he had sexted.

June 10, 2011: Police show up to the Delaware teen’s home. Acting on the information from my June 9, 2011 blog post, a Fox News reporter is there when police arrive and reports the story.

June 16, 2011: Weiner resigns. Reports later say the revelations of his communications with an underage girl caused President Obama to withdraw his support, leading to his ultimate decision.

June 23, 2011: Mike Stack, one of the “Born Free Crew” who warned young girls on Twitter about Weiner’s sickness, is SWATted. On this same day, “Alicia Pain” writes me to tell me to stop writing about Gennette Cordova and Rep AW:

Please think about your family. This story is not worth it. I can assure you that.

Please remember, your safety cannot be assured if you continue.

July 1, 2011: My family is SWATted.

December 21, 2011: Weiner and Abedin have a baby boy.

July 12, 2012: Weiner starts talking to “Sydney Leathers” (identified by BuzzFeed here), according to this timeline from the site that broke the latest story. Quoting the girl:

Anthony Weiner And I First started talking July 12, 2012.

July 18, 2012: People Magazine puff piece appears:

“It took a lot of work to get to where are are today, but I want people to know we’re a normal family,” says Abedin, 37.

“Anthony has spent every day since [the scandal] trying to be the best dad and husband he can be,” she says of her husband, who does all the laundry. “I’m proud to be married to him.”

July 19, 2012: One day after the People Magazine puff piece appears, Weiner finds Sydney Leathers on Formspring:

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July 19, 2012 – November 2012: Anthony Weiner engages in intense sexual discussions with Sydney Leathers. From the timeline:

Things were very intense by August 2012/already talks of the Chicago sex condo and having sexual conversations. We would send naked images to each other and have phone sex. Anthony Weiner would send me penis pictures from his Carlos Danger yahoo email to my Gmail.

You aren’t going to read this in Big Media, so I think you should see some of the stuff he was saying to this young woman while he was supposedly a diaper-changing new dad whose life was turned around by the birth of his son:

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He really has a thing about gagging women with his erect penis. That concept come up a lot in Weinergate I.

It goes on and on and on like that. From another post:

She really thought Anthony Weiner and her were in love, they spoke on the phone daily multiple times a day for 6 months. Anthony Weiner played with her emotions and mind. Most calls were phone sex. He promised her many things including a condo in Chicago (1235 S. Prairie Ave) where they were planning to meet up to have sex. Anthony Weiner has a shoe fetish, particularly heels.

He even asked her which of the pictures from Weinergate I turned her on the most:

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And, disturbingly for a guy who was talking about “cape and tights” to a high school girl in Delaware — a grooming line he had used with an adult woman with whom he had sexted — Weiner asks Sydney Leathers if her “pussy” is “smooth”:

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Anthony Weiner called himself “Carlos Danger” in some of these messages. He promised the woman a job at Politico but immediately after bringing it up he asked her to “do me a solid” and hard delete all their messages.

November 2012: Carlos Danger and Sydney Leathers’s relationship starts to fizzle out:

By November 2012 our relationship began to fizzle out.

December 2012: Sydney Leathers and Anthony “Carlos Danger” Weiner speak once:

We only spoke once in December 2012 . . .

April 10, 2013: Puff piece appears online in the New York Times that portrays Weiner’s supposed coming clean and being totally honest in June 2011. The article also has Weiner and Abedin portraying their new son as having totally changed Weiner’s perspective:

“But in the confines of our home and our relationship and our parenting this child and our love for each other — she said she wanted to get through it, she wanted not to conflate the giant international news story with the two people who were involved in it. And a lot of women couldn’t do that. And Jordan has given us a lot of perspective. We have to deal with this a lot. It’s not behind us. It kind of bubbles around and comes up in different ways. But she’s, um. . . .” Here, he paused and took a deep breath and started to cry. “She’s given. . . .” He stopped again, could barely get the words out. “She’s given me another chance. And I am very grateful for that. And I’m trying to make sure I get it right.”

Immediately after April 10, 2013 New York Times puff piece: After the appearance of the New York Times puff piece, Weiner reactivates his Facebook account and asks Sydney Leathers what she thought of it:

We only spoke once in December 2012, and then I didn’t hear from Anthony Weiner again until April 11, 2013 when a NYT article about him was released. He reactivated his Facebook and asked me what I thought of it.

May 2013: Weiner enters mayor’s race.

Huma Abedin says she knew about all this. Here is yesterday’s disgusting press conference, in which Weiner says in a sing-song and bored voice that this is nothing new, and his dishonest wife gets up to stand by him.

Here is what Weiner said at the press conference about when his wife knew:

She knew all along this process . . . I was more and more honest with her. I told her everything. This is something we knew going into the decision about whether I would run.

Huma Abedin says “it is between us, and our marriage.” No, ma’am, it isn’t. He is running for the office of Mayor of New York. And you helped him lie about this scandal to help his candidacy. This is a public matter now.

For what it’s worth, the New York Times, the very paper that gave a dishonest wet kiss to Weiner in April, is now telling him to get out of the race.

Mr. Weiner, your antics have become too much even for a paper that was essentially willing to lie for you, sir.

Lucky for you, they will apparently never be too much for the woman, Huma Abedin, who is willing to lie for you, by portraying you as a reformed man when she knew good and damned well you weren’t.


One Year Ago Today: July 1, 2011

Filed under: Brad Friedman,Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 7:27 am

I was SWATted.

I described the experience here. I’ll quote a bit of it:

At 12:35 a.m. on July 1, 2011, sheriff’s deputies pounded on my front door and rang my doorbell. They shouted for me to open the door and come out with my hands up.

When I opened the door, deputies pointed guns at me and ordered me to put my hands in the air. I had a cell phone in my hand. Fortunately, they did not mistake it for a gun.

They ordered me to turn around and put my hands behind my back. They handcuffed me. They shouted questions at me: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE HOUSE? and WHERE ARE THEY? and ARE THEY ALIVE?

I told them: Yes, my wife and my children are in the house. They’re upstairs in their bedrooms, sleeping. Of course they’re alive.

. . . .

[P]olice rushed into my home. They woke up my wife, led her downstairs and to the front porch, frisked her, and asked her where the children were. Then police ordered her to stand on the front porch with her hands against the wall while they entered my children’s bedrooms to make sure they were alive.

The call that sent deputies to my home was a hoax.

Here’s a little bit more detail about what happened at the time and in the immediate aftermath. This is all from memory, from a year ago, so minor details could be wrong.

I had been talking with Ron Brynaert when the police arrived. I had been threatened a week earlier, but I also knew that Mike Stack had been SWATted. So when people knocked on my door and rang the doorbell, I didn’t know who it was. I looked at the oven clock that is currently to my right, and it said 12:35 a.m. I leapt from my chair and moved where I couldn’t be seen from the front door. I told Brynaert that it was 12:35 a.m and people were pounding on my door and ringing the doorbell. He seemed to ignore me and kept ranting about whatever he had been ranting about. I said: “Listen to me! It’s 12:35 in the morning and someone is knocking on the door!” I heard the people at the door yelling: “Fire!” I told Brynaert I didn’t know if it was the people who had threatened me or the police. I asked him if he thought I should keep him on the phone or hang up. I don’t remember what he said, but I decided to keep him on the phone. If something awful happened, I wanted a witness.

I ended up deciding it was the police and opened the door. Before they handcuffed me, they took the cell phone from my hand. They shouted the questions at me and some police went in the house. At that point, while we were still on my front porch, I addressed the deputy who had cuffed me. Because I knew Mike Stack had been SWATted, I said words to the effect of: “Let me guess. Someone called and said I killed my wife.” The cops looked at me like I was confessing to something. I said something like this: “Look. This is a hoax. I think I know what’s going on here. I’m a blogger. I’m also a Deputy D.A., but I don’t think this is about my job. It’s about things I wrote on my blog. This same thing happened to someone else last week, in New Jersey. Someone called and said he killed his wife, and the police showed up at his house and pointed guns at him, just like this. He and I were writing about the same story. We were both writing about Congressman Weiner, the Congressman who sent the picture of his underwear. We were both writing about that. We both got threatened by email. Check my phone. I talked to a New Jersey detective about it. His name is Jason Larson. His name and number are on my phone. I know this all sounds crazy, but that’s what’s going on.”

I continued talking to the cop about it as he walked me down the street to the patrol car. I told him that I had warned my wife that this might happen. I had also told a neighbor about it. I said: “The neighbor I told lives in that house right there. You can ask him about it. I told him this might happen. He asked if I had talked to you guys, and I didn’t, because I didn’t want to sound paranoid. I can’t believe this is actually happening to me too.”

As we walked down the street, there was a helicopter overhead, shining down a spotlight on the street. I was put in the back of the patrol car. I can’t remember if I was still cuffed any more. I think I was. It was quiet. I sat there for a few minutes.

They came back, opened up the patrol car, and uncuffed me. They had talked to my wife, who had told them the same thing. They knew now that it was a hoax. They asked me to tell them more about it. I was addressing about 4-5 sheriff’s deputies on the sidewalk by the patrol car. I told them about Anthony Weiner, and the threatening email I had gotten, and the guy in New Jersey.

They asked me if I had any idea who had done this. I told them I didn’t know for sure, but they might want to look into a guy named Neal Rauhauser. I had been talking with Brynaert about him on the phone, and had just been blogging about him when the SWATting happened.

They gave me back my phone. I think Ron Brynaert was still on the line. My memory of some details is spotty as it was a stressful situation. Either on the phone or in a DM or both, I can’t remember for sure, I told him not to tell anyone what had happened. I know at some point he said he had already told Lee Stranahan. More about that later.

I asked the deputies if we could talk in the house. We came inside and sat at the kitchen table where I am now. The house was a wreck. I told them I was in trial; we were “dark” (the trial court was not in session) the next day, but I had been very busy and had not had time to clean up. I felt embarrassed having all these deputies in my home when it was so dirty. I spent a few minutes telling them what I knew and asking what would happen next. Would a detective be assigned? Yes, he would. He should call me. They would treat it as a false report of a crime.

The deputies were sympathetic. By now they knew that both my wife and I are Deputy D.A.’s. The guy who had cuffed me and frisked me was very polite. I said I thought I recognized him, and he said the same about me. He said he had been a bailiff in Compton at times, and we agreed that was probably where I had seen him. The officers handed me a pamphlet with my “rights” as a victim and the URN (the report number for the report).

The deputies left. I asked my wife about her experience, and she told me what had happened from her perspective. I was concerned about the kids. She didn’t think the kids had been awakened more than slightly.

I called Ron Brynaert. He told me he had told Lee Stranahan what had happened. I can’t remember if he was confirming something he had said before, or telling me for the first time. I wanted to make sure that this did not become an Internet story immediately, as I worried it would impede an investigation. Although it was late, I called Lee and woke him up. I said I was sorry to wake him in the middle of the night, but this was important. I asked if he had talked to Brynaert. He said he had not. I asked if Brynaert had emailed him or gotten in touch with him in any way. He said no. I said that if he got any communications from Brynaert, to keep the subject matter to himself.

I called Brynaert back. I said Lee said he had not heard from Brynaert. Brynaert said he had sent Lee a DM. I said that Lee said he had not heard from Brynaert in any way. Brynaert said he had DM’d Lee. I said, hold on, and called Lee again.

I asked Lee to check his DM’s. He said he had no DM’s from Brynaert.

I called Brynaert back. I told him Lee said he had no DM’s. Brynaert said he had sent Lee a DM. I said, that makes no sense. I asked him to check. He says he didn’t get anything. Brynaert repeated that he had sent Lee a DM. Lee should have gotten it. I said this was really weird.

Christi said she was going back to bed. I said that I was worried I was not the only SWATting victim that night. On June 25, 2011, Alicia Pain had exchanged numerous emails with me, giving me some idiotic story about having material on Anthony Weiner. At one point she had asked me questions about where I lived, and said: “Anyway if I wanted to send you the material we talked about, where would I send it?” She included four street addresses (no city names, just number and street), one of which was mine. Of course I didn’t tell her anything about where I lived.

I remembered that Stack had told me the police had been given the wrong address by the guy who SWATted him. New Jersey police had gone to the wrong address, he had told me, and pulled an older couple out of a house where Stack used to live.

I thought: I wonder if they are making hoax calls about all four of those addresses they had for me.

By now it had to be between 1:30 and 2 a.m., but I felt an obligation to follow up on the other addresses. I called the dispatcher at the Lomita Sheriff’s station. I told him that he probably was aware that there had just been a hoax call of a shooting at my address. I explained that I was worried that similar events might be occurring at three other addresses in Southern California. I gave him the addresses and asked if he would be willing to call the other police departments to warn them. He was very friendly and said he would.

As I said, Alicia Pain had given only street names and numbers for the four addresses. I Googled all four of them and found they all belonged to various people named Patrick Frey in Southern California. I determined the city for each of them. I can’t remember whether I did that before I called the Lomita dispatcher or after.

I do know that I started to worry that the Lomita dispatcher was going to be too busy to contact the other police departments, so I started doing it myself. I called all three of the other departments. Two of them had already received calls from the dispatcher at the Sheriff’s station in Lomita, and knew what I was talking about. They said no hoax calls had occurred in their cities that night. (I had never even heard the term SWATting and did not use it with these police departments.)

The third police station had not yet heard from my Lomita dispatcher. It was an awkward conversation, occurring at probably 2:30 or 3 in the morning, that started out something like this: “OK, this is going to sound really weird, but there’s a reason I’m calling you . . .” However bizarre the situation I described sounded, I know I sounded rational and level-headed, and after a couple of minutes they understood what I was saying and took down the information.

I tried going to bed but had a hard time sleeping.

Early in the morning Lee called and asked what was going on. I really didn’t want the word to get out, but I realized that he was a potential victim, so I told him. After I woke up, I called Ace of Spades, who had also been threatened by Alicia Pain by email, and told him what had happened to me.

Ace wanted me to write about it right away. I said I didn’t want to jeopardize law enforcement investigations. He said I would be “scooped” if I didn’t break the story on my blog. Which is pretty funny if you think about it, since Big Media never reported any of this until I blogged about it on May 25, 2012.

That morning I got in touch with a friend who I knew had contacts in the FBI. I asked him to put me in touch with them. One of his friends works in Long Beach, and I talked to that agent, who invited me down to the Long Beach office to make a report. He worked in a violent crimes unit, but said he would take an initial report and pass it along to the cyber crimes people.

Later that day I met with him and gave him my story.

On July 1, 2011, Ron Brynaert sent me 7 emails. Not one referred to the SWATting that had occurred the night before. All were bizarre, impossible to understand emails about Neal Rauhauser, and sock puppets he had spoken to, and Anthony Weiner, and starchild111, and Jennifer George, and Jennifer George’s film professor. One said:

[T]he entire M.O. of these sick fucks every one of them is to DIVERT!!!!!! So they pretend to go after lee stranahan…..when that’s not their real target.

It’s you. They want to damage your career…

Another said:

so with that nightmare scenario…i would guess that neal and his crew are writing everyone at your work….telling them what’s with this crazy guy throwing fake docs on the site…i can prove they’re fake….

anyway…im imagining your offices aint gonna fall for that deception….so hopefully if they do that we just get more evidence….anyone sending letters to complain you is almost definnitely a neal r dude or been duped by him….

Months later, Ron Brynaert contacted my workplace to complain about me, to damage my career. But that’s getting ahead of the story . . .


One Year Ago Today: June 30, 2011

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:33 pm

Ron Brynaert tweeted this to me:

Brynaert also told me on the phone that there was a suspicious person with a British accent that I needed to know about.

I was very interested in these two pieces of information, because I knew that Mike Stack had been SWATted on June 23, 2011. I knew that the caller from Mike Stack’s June 23, 2011 SWATting had been (incorrectly) described by the police as having a British accent. And I knew that some suspected that a woman in Boston named Jennifer George was behind some of the fakery that could be related to Mike Stack’s SWATting — and that she had accused Lee of threatening her.

It is little wonder that I wanted to speak with Ron Brynaert on the phone on the night of June 30, 2011.

The same night, in a post that generated 3765 comments, I speculated on another possibility: that perhaps Jennifer George really was threatened, but that the threatener had merely pretended to be Stranahan.

And I mentioned Neal Rauhauser. Stack and I had discussed Rauhauser, and the possibility that he might have something to do with the Stack SWATting episode. We knew that Rauhauser had a history of using sock puppets. If someone had impersonated Stranahan to Jennifer George, we wondered if Rauhauser might be responsible.

I ended the post that night in this way:

UPDATE x2: I’m feeling better about the theory with each passing second.

Hi, Neal!

And my first comment said:

Maybe Neal Rauhauser could come explain to me why this could not be possible.

The post quickly became filled with sock puppets, including Alicia Pain, who had threatened me a week earlier. She said things like:

Everyone is getting threatened these days. What’s the world coming to?


Wonder who threatened Patterico and Ace?

Remember the great Dan Wolfe/John Reid “rivalry”? They tried to convince people that they were separate people by speaking in a nasty manner about one another and saying they hated each other. Despite that, their tactics were similar, and many of us concluded they were the same person. They just used heavy-handed “I hate the other sock puppet” tactics to throw people off the trail.

It is an instructive exercise to wonder whether Brynaert and Alicia Pain were doing the same thing when Alicia Pain posted information about an arrest of Brynaert’s that night — information which I deleted and told Brynaert about on the phone. Or whether Rauhauser and Brynaert were doing the same thing in days leading up to my SWATting, when Rauhauser wrote me and Lee Stranahan to complain that Brynaert was mentally ill, or when Brynaert told me that he had suspicions about Neal Rauhauser that night.

Did they all hate each other? Or did they just want to convince people that they did?

I tried to get information from Brynaert about the Stranahan report, and about the man with the British accent. But Brynaert ranted and raved and shouted, and it was almost impossible to get him to answer any questions. (Anyone who has ever spoken with Brynaert on the phone has likely had a similar experience.)

And he was still on the phone with me in the early morning hours of July 1, 2011, when police showed up at my door. But that’s tomorrow’s post.

As a reminder, here is a 12-second clip combining the end of my SWATting call with a few seconds from an interview with Ron Brynaert:


Brett Kimberlin Associate “Gaped Crusader” — And the Evidence Connecting Him to Neal Rauhauser

Filed under: Brad Friedman,Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 12:00 am

Facts don’t matter, that’s the perception of the situation, and the world is going to act on that basis.” — The “Gaped Crusader,” November 26, 2011.

In December 2011, an anonymous Brett Kimberlin supporter calling himself the “Gaped Crusader” boasted of the harassment of five people. Two of them, Mike Stack and myself, were SWATting victims in late June and early July 2011:

The targets include Brett Kimberlin critics and SWATting victims.

The methods include “outing” people’s identities; posting their home addresses; and creating (phony) civil and criminal liability. The Gaped Crusader attributes each atrocity to Neal Rauhauser or his associate Brett Kimberlin (who runs the Occupy for Accountability blog that published pictures of my house).

The Gaped Crusader thought he was making these observations anonymously. But he made mistakes, many of which are listed in this post — which reveals extensive evidence connecting the Gaped Crusader to Brett Kimberlin associate Neal Rauhauser.

The evidence includes (among other things) common topics of obsession; common unique catch phrases; admission by both of a particular trip at a particular time; characteristic method of formatting emails; and my personal favorite: a shared IP address.


Normally I’d show you all the other similarities before I showed you the IP evidence, but the IP evidence discussion really helps reveal this guy’s true nature, right out of the gate — because it shows the “Gaped Crusader” talking about my wife.

Here are three comments the “Gaped Crusader” left on my site:

Note the middle comment, linking a post about my wife, and promising it is the first of many. Here is the post titled “Mrs. Patterico”:

The link to “Christi Frey” goes to a press release at the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s web site, detailing a case that was handled by my wife. This link shows that the “Gaped Crusader” had investigated my wife.

The words “nice house” link to our address. That shows that the “Gaped Crusader” had investigated our home address.

Take a look at that IP address that this creep used to leave comments on my blog:

Neal Rauhauser used that IP address to leave a comment at the “Qritiq” blog. The “Qritiq” blog is pro-Rauhauser and pro-Kimberlin, and is filled with lies, defamation, and anti-Patterico sock puppets. Yesterday she published a post advising people about where they could complain about me to my office. Qritiq has called Rauhauser her “hero.” Rauhauser probably felt perfectly safe posting there.

What he didn’t realize is that the proprietor had given posting privileges to SWATting victim Mike Stack. And, because Stack had administrative privileges over his own posts, comments left on his posts were emailed to Stack — including IP addresses.

Whoops! Looks like you messed up, Neal!

This is a screenshot of an email that Stack forwarded to me in December 2011, with the information on Neal’s IP address:

Let’s take a closer look at that IP address:

Let’s look at those together:

I took the IP — — and plugged it into my comment software . . . and found comments from the Gaped Crusader.

As Tyler Durden might say: I am Patterico’s complete lack of surprise.

Because those of us who had watched Neal for months already strongly suspected that the Gaped Crusader was Neal Rauhauser. Because there is so much other evidence tying Rauhauser to the vile Gaped Crusader account.


Let’s look at that “Mrs. Patterico” post above. See how the Gaped Crusader said that Steve Cooley’s 2010 political opponent should prosecute me for various unnamed alleged crimes? Steve Cooley’s 2010 opponent was Kamala Harris, the Attorney General of California. And guess who also urged people to ask Kamala Harris to investigate me? If you guessed Neal Rauhauser, you’re paying attention!

On July 12, 2011, Rauhauser encouraged Daily Kos readers to file complaints against me with California Attorney General Kamala Harris.

The “California Supreme Court Complaint” in question is Brett Kimberlin’s frivolous State Bar Complaint against me — a complaint which (among other things) accused me of discriminating against the disabled by writing about Kimberlin’s status as a felon, which he claims is a “disability.” I am told Rauhauser’s associate Kimberlin filed frivolous criminal charges against me with Kamala Harris.

Odd how the Gaped Crusader (and Kimberlin) share Rauhauser’s belief that I should be prosecuted by Kamala Harris.

Rauhauser also shared the Gaped Crusader’s creepy focus on my wife. Three days after I was swatted, Rauhauser wrote a post titled “Patterico’s Penalization” that made bizarre accusations about me, claiming I “worked with a cyber-stalker named Seth L. Allen.” In that post, Rauhauser publicized Kimberlin’s State Bar complaint against me — and asked readers to get a picture of my wife. Rauhauser also suggested that a private detective stake out Seth Allen’s apartment:

But Rauhauser and the Gaped Crusader were obsessed with more than just my wife, or getting Kamala Harris to prosecute me. Let’s focus on the screenshot that opened up this post, and look at the Gaped Crusader’s targets in that disturbing post:

The names there are Mike Stack, Seth Allen, me, Aaron Walker/Worthing, and Sean Tompkins (who I believe is an online acquaintance of Stack’s). It turns out Neal Rauhauser is obsessed with the very same people.

Robert Stacy McCain and I have both previously posted about a bizarre, paranoid rant that Neal Rauhauser sent to law enforcement officials, making crazy allegations about an “ISR cell” (ISR stands for “Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance”) supposedly headed by Andrew Breitbart. Here (.pdf) Rauhauser explains the contents of the nutty CD that he sent to law enforcement:

Look at the objects of Rauhauser’s obsession. You’ll recognize the same names from the Gaped Crusader screenshot: Mike Stack, Seth Allen, Patrick Frey (me), Aaron Walker aka Aaron Worthing, and Sean Tompkins.

Rauhauser hates Mike Stack so much, he sent Stack a cease and desist letter — addressed, as it happens, to 30 Mallard Court, Three Bridges, New Jersey.

Above: two screenshots from the beginning and end of a letter from Neal Rauhauser to Mike Stack

That is not Mike Stack’s address. But it is the address that Mike Stack’s SWATter gave New Jersey police in Stack’s June 23, 2011 SWATting call.

Let’s look at some of the other names on Rauhauser’s Enemies List — people he hates enough to mention in a CD sent to law enforcement attempting to implicate them in phony crimes. As you can see, those names include (among others) HB Gary (which was headed by Aaron Barr); Rauhauser’s Twittergate enemy Michelle Lessick aka ZAPEM; and a guy named Tom Ryan.

Was the Gaped Crusader obsessed with any of these other enemies of Neal Rauhauser’s? If you guessed “yes,” that means you’re really getting the hang of this! Here is a screenshot with complaints about Stack, me, Sean Tompkins, HB Gary and Aaron Barr, Tom Ryan, and Aaron Worthing:

Here’s another post that falsely claims that Aaron Barr and Tom Ryan “coordinate” with me:

For the record, I have never met, spoken with, or corresponded with Aaron Barr or Tom Ryan in my life.

As for ZAPEM/Lessick, the Gaped Crusader mentioned her in a post that also mentioned Seth Allen, Stack, me, Kamala Harris, and Steve Cooley:

That post, dated December 16, starts out mentioning a John Dean column about cyberbullies:

Which is interesting, since Neal Rauhauser mentioned the very same article on the same day, in a comment at the Qritiq blog:

Rauhauser later said he was so taken with the article that he made notes on it.

It’s also important to note that, like the Gaped Crusader, Rauhauser is obsessed with Weinergate. This is important, because SWATting victim Mike Stack was never much of a Brett Kimberlin critic, but he was a high-profile participant in the monitoring of Anthony Weiner’s Twitter account, and frequently noted Weiner’s penchant for following young girls with that account. Last summer, I also had a significant role in various stories having to do with Weiner’s communications with young women. Indeed, before I was SWATted, I was threatened by email, and the threat ostensibly had to do with my publication of Weiner’s communications with Gennette Cordova. That email was sent to me (and Ace of Spades) the same night Mike Stack was SWATted: June 23, 2011.

And Neal Rauhauser, like the Gaped Crusader, is a “Weiner Truther” who has insinuated that I was behind a plot to bring down Anthony Weiner. Just look again at the screenshot above asking people to have Kamala Harris investigate me for my alleged “involvement in the stalking of Congressman Weiner.”


Indeed, the Gaped Crusader and Rauhauser don’t just share a generalized theory that I was somehow behind a set-up of Anthony Weiner. They both have a specific theory about what I did — and the theory is the same for both of them.

At the Daily Kos, Rauhauser speculated that I arranged for the fake driver’s license used by the alleged mother of Nikki Reid:

The fake driver’s license employed by Pamela Reid, the fake mom of the fake teenage girl Nikki aka @starchild111, was from California. Presumably a Deputy D.A. from that area, where immigration problems are common, would know and perhaps be engaged in plea bargains with people who can manufacture documents.

Similarly, the Gaped Crusader speculated:

Would a Los Angeles county prosecutor have seen a driver’s license forging case or two? Probably. Could they cut some nice deal for a third time offender, say getting a license and a woman to voice Patricia Reid so they could set up Tommy Christoper to take the fall for the fake teen girl entrapment effort? Yeah, that sounds doable, doesn’t it?


And again, in a post titled “Straight Outta Compton,” the Gaped Crusader once again talked about Kamala Harris, Steve Cooley, Aaron Worthing, me, Seth Allen . . . and Anthony Weiner. See here, here, and here:

It isn’t hard to imagine former Congressman Anthony Weiner sitting at home with his lovely wife Huma Abedin, not saying anything, but with a grim little smile on his face as he watches all this unfold.

Similarly, in a post called “Free Speech and Accountability” we see this:

The Gaped Crusader also mentioned the “Threat Management Unit” — another name for the District Attorney’s “Stalking and Threat Assessment Team,” or STAT. This came up in a post again mentioning Steve Cooley:

Note again the constant accusations that I was involved in “stalking” and “smearing” Brett Kimberlin (a partner in Velvet Revolution) and Anthony Weiner. But right now I am interested in the mention of our stalking unit. Because Brett Kimberlin filed a complaint against me with our stalking unit. And that unit was a particular obsession of Neal Rauhauser’s.

Guess who else mentioned the same team? Alicia Pain, the person who threatened me before I was SWATted:

Well what can I say? If you really want to bring me to justice, I encourage you to do so. Here is the best number to call: Stalking and Threat Assessment Team (STAT)
Inside line: X[redacted] or (213) 974-[redacted].

A comment by “OccupyOngsHat” at the Qritiq blog encouraged Qritiq to report me to the same anti-stalking unit. The commenter claimed that this would result in “lulzy lulz”:

Oddly enough, the comment was left using the same IP used by the Gaped Crusader and Neal Rauhauser:


The Gaped Crusader, like Rauhauser himself, loves to speak in the idiom of 4chan-style hackers. Everything is “epic” and “lulzy” and there are a billion references to “lulzcows” and Encyclopedia Dramatica and the like.

Even in this blizzard of inanity, a couple of comparisons stand out for me.


In one post, the Gaped Crusader said the “butthurt is flowing thick and fast”:

That’s not a real common phrase. Yet, in a post as Stranded Wind at Daily Kos, Rauhauser said “the butthurt is flowing thick and fast”:

Note who is named as having “paid dearly” for their role as “Weinergate perps”: me and Mike Stack.

The two SWATting victims from 2011.

I should note here that a) Stranded Wind is a well-known alias for Rauhauser, and b) this Stranded Wind post was published on July 27, 2011 — long before my SWATting was made public. (I mentioned it publicly weeks ago, and even Ron Brynaert did not mention it in public until August 2011.)

By the way, Rauhauser could not avoid talking like a teenaged hacker even in the materials he sent to law enforcement. In the “ReadMe” text document included to explain the contents of the disk, Rauhauser wrote things like this:

Swatting call – purportedly someone swatting Mike Stack. Google this, lots of butthurt flowing, claims he was cuffed at gun point?

You can just picture an FBI agent interviewing Neal: tell me more about the “epic lulz” and the “butthurt,” Mr. Rauhauser.


In Rauhauser’s complaint to law enforcement about alleged harassment by Mike Stack, he mentions a harassment contest called “Iron Troll”:

This account, with some sixty thousand followers, is a major news outlet for Anonymous. It should be noted that the Anonymous community is currently running “Iron Troll” – a contest involving computer, phone, and real life pranks.

The Gaped Crusader also mentioned “Iron Troll” in a post titled “Getting Kamala Harris After Porn Mooks”:

That alone isn’t much — but it gets more interesting.

Take a look at Gaped Crusader’s mention of 4chan, Something Awful, and Encyclopedia Dramatica, in that order — and then reflect on an email recently published at The Trenches that Rauhauser wrote to lefty Twitter activist Shoq:

I have been sorely tempted to point him out to various actors – a guy like this, he could really produce some high quality entertainment for 4chan, Something Awful, Encyclopedia Dramatica, etc.

Weird, huh? Even weirder is that Rauhauser listed these three entities in exactly this order as Stranded Wind, back in June 2011:

Anonymous doesn’t have a tree structure, it’s a loose coalition of warring tribes. Each node has its own culture and methods.

Some of them are from 4chan, some from Something Awful, some from Encyclopedia Dramatica, and a few dozen other sites that are less well known.



4chan hackers don’t commonly use the term “discharge” to refer to someone being fired. But both the Gaped Crusader and Rauhauser fantasized about the “discharge” of yours truly.

In a July 4, 2011 entry titled “Patterico’s Penalization” (published 3 days after my SWATting), Rauhauser wrote:

Discharge, disbarment, and public ridicule ought to be Frey’s lot in life if what appears to be going on, based on this small analysis, is truly the explanation for the events surrounding Weinergate.

Similarly, in late November 2011, the Gaped Crusader was very excited about the possibility of “discharge” and (he believed) impending criminal charges for me:

Can discharge and criminal charges be imminent for Los Angeles assclown D.A. John Patrick Frey?



Neal, writing as Stranded Wind, enjoyed calling me “Paddy” as he threatened me:

Above: Writing at Daily Kos, Rauhauser suggests I should be harassed online.

Oddly enough, so did the Gaped Crusader, in a post talking about subpoenaing my boss Steve Cooley to ask him questions about my blogging:

Or this post, which called me the “capodecina of the Breitbart crime family” — and once again called me “Paddy”:

Incidentally, the term “lulzcow,” used by Rauhauser in that creepily threatening post from the Daily Kos in July 2011, was also used by the Gaped Crusader:

There’s just one “tell” after another, isn’t there?


On November 21, 2011, OccupyOngsHat rendered the Anonymous slogan in Romanian:

The Gaped Crusader blog has Romanian all over it:

Neal at Occupy the House talked in Romanian:

Just two hours before he surrendered that account to other Occupiers:

I could go on and on here, but I think you get the point. Rauhauser and Gaped Crusader both used the “x noun is x” trope. Gaped Crusader had a post titled “Butthurt Moderator is Butthurt,”, while Neal, tweeting as “Occupy the House,” would tweet things like “Ineffective troll is ineffective.” Both talked about “Anonymiss” — a group of women hackers Rauhauser has claimed to lead. They both are fans of the Qritiq blog. Both talk about “porn mooks” and “e-lawyers” and PornWikiLeaks and Donny Long . . . And so on and so on and so on.


In a December 8, 2011 comment at the Kid Kenoma blog (see here and here) Rauhauser talked about visiting Rockaway Beach:

Similarly, the Gaped Crusader talked about making a visit to Far Rockaway and Broad Channel — which, along with Rockaway Beach, are areas on the Rockaway Peninsula of Queens.

I took the screenshots of the Gaped Crusader post about his visit to Far Rockaway on November 26, 2011 — almost two weeks before Rauhauser spoke at Kid Kenoma about his visit to Rockaway Beach.

Anthony Weiner represented the Rockaway Beach area.


I already posted about this, but I’d hate to leave it out of this more comprehensive post. Here is a typical Rauhauser email, in which Neal demonstrates his penchant for lawfare. The background: on a publicly available Flickr account, Neal Rauhauser posted multiple shots of shoes, feet, more shoes, more feet, shoes on cats, feet, and shoes. (Sample here.) This prompted Mandy Nagy to joke on Twitter about Neal having a foot fetish, which in turn prompted this email, in which Neal threatened to sue Mandy for claiming he had a sex life of any kind at all:

Don’t insinuate that he has a sex life or he’ll SUE!!!!

Anyway, here is an email from the Gaped Crusader. Note the similar indenting style:

As I indicated previously, I owe a debt to Brooks Bayne for catching that subtlety.

Perhaps an even more important email is this one, which provides the quote that began this post. In it, the Gaped Crusader responds to Mandy Nagy’s claim that the facts show she has done nothing wrong. The bottom, indented paragraph is the Gaped Crusader:

That line is important: “Facts don’t matter, that’s the perception of the situation, and the world is going to act on that basis.” That’s Neal Rauhauser’s view of the world, as expressed by the Gaped Crusader.


This post is foundational for much of what comes in the future. In future posts I will introduce to you other sock puppet accounts with similar obsessions, writing styles, and IPs, such as the “LulzShack” account that seemed to know about my SWATting months before it was made public. I will show you how certain “moby” trolls at my site leave racist and sexist comments, with IPs from similar blocks as the Gaped Crusader, Alicia Pain, and LulzShack. There will be further evidence in these posts relating to the SWATtings of myself and Mike Stack.

Neal Rauhauser spent a solid year lying about me. Now the time has come for me to tell the truth about him.

Stay tuned.


Weiner Document Dump, Part 3: Including Still More Alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:29 am

Part 1 here. Part 2 here.

The following is given in chronological order. It is material sent to me from the person behind the JohnReid9 Twitter account. As with my previous document dumps, I make absolutely no representation that any of this material is genuine. There are two possibilities: 1) it is genuine, or 2) it is not. Either way, the alleged DMs are more information relevant to the controversy over the identity and motivations of Reid, Patriot, and other shadowy Internet figures. Either way, they are newsworthy — at least to those who still care about this controversy. (If you’re wondering why you should still care, I explain here.)

The Cliff’s Notes version: there are alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki talking about how he is a superhero in cape and tights, and how that will be his and Nikki’s secret, and so forth. There are alleged DMs from Gennette to Nikki saying she flirted with Weiner (which Gennette admits having sent, although she says she did not actually flirt with Weiner; she was baiting Nikki, she says, whom she knew to be a troll). There are alleged DMs from Gennette to Nikki saying Weiner flirted with her, which Gennette denies having sent.

I vouch for absolutely nothing. Anyone who suggests differently is a liar.

If they’re not real, someone went to extraordinary lengths to construct them, add timestamps, and the like. To illustrate this, I will try to intersperse occasional screenshots of the more interesting DMs.

Gennette Cordova has already confirmed the authenticity of some of these DMs, and denied that of certain others. Let me be specific about that.

On June 23, I published this screenshot, which includes three of the messages that appear in this document dump:

I specifically asked Gennette Cordova if she had written those, and she confirmed that she had:

[Y]es, I did. It was a week and a half in, I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.
So I got the ball rolling.

In comments at my site, Gennette explained that she had not actually said these things to Weiner, but told Nikki that she had, because “I knew they were fake and I was trying to get it out of them that they were interested in him.” (Assuming this explanation is genuine, Gennette was prescient, as the New York Times later revealed that identification documents provided by the Reids to Tommy Christopher were fraudulent.)

When you look at the screenshot, you have to read from bottom to top — meaning the top one is the last one. In the thread where Gennette confirmed the accuracy of this screenshot, Aaron asked her:

Okay, here’s my next question. the first DM ends by saying “And Rep. Weiner said” and then it cuts off.

What came after that?

What did he say?

Although Gennette appeared several times in that thread subsequent to Aaron’s question, she did not answer Aaron’s question in that thread. (Last night she answered the question to me. We’re getting there.)

I received an e-mail threat that night from “Alicia Pain” threatening my family if I looked into the activities of Gennette and Weiner any further. Here is a partial quote:

You need to stop digging into Genette Cordova and Rep. AW. I cannot insure your safety if you continue.
Do not trust anyone.

Please think about your family. This story is not worth it. I can assure you that.

The next day, John Reid forwarded me the above three DMs, as well as the one that, according to what he sent me, would have been next in line. Remember, Gennette agrees she said: “Lol. 1 time I told him that I’d been pretty obsessed with him since I saw him address the house once and Rep Weiner said . . .” Here is what Reid claimed came next:

“obsessed? how big an obsession?” And I said, “Big.” And he said, “That’s not the only thing that’s big.” Ah I LOVE this man!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 18, 1:14 AM.

I asked Gennette by e-mail on June 25 if that DM was genuine. She said it was a fake, and that Reid should have DMs from her saying Weiner never flirted with her. Last night, I asked her what she told Nikki that Weiner had said. In other words, what came after “Lol. 1 time I told him that I’d been pretty obsessed with him since I saw him address the house once and Rep Weiner said . . .”? What did she tell Nikki that Weiner had said in response? The answer: “obsessed with good government, I’m sure.”

On June 25, Gennette also denied the veracity of this DM:

Rep Weiner is hot. The funny thing is that when he first followed me I totally flirted with him & he flirted right back! It was hot.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 18, 12:58 AM.

Finally, in the monster thread I included a screenshot of another DM:

When he stopped flirting back I admit it was a let down. Lol
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 17, 8:39 PM.

Gennette e-mailed me to deny that one as well. The next day (three days ago), John Reid e-mailed me for the first time in weeks. In response to my statement that I planned to prove he is Dan Wolfe, Reid replied that my doing so would convince people that the DMs he gave me were fake. He claimed, as an alleged Weiner supporter, that he was happy about that, saying things like:

Weiner did nothing wrong with underaged girls and shouldn’t be the target. If you really cared about truth you wouldn’t have written such horrible lies about him and Gennette.

He also said:

No. You did exactly what we wanted. We knew you would tie us to Dan like other people and it’s perfect. Gennette can do a victory dance and so can Weiner.

We wanted everything ever published discredited and you helped. Not trying to scare you. Just saying what you’ve done. You’ve helped.

No one thinks we have credibility and no one ever will. All of your stuff is tainted forever. Anything relating to Gennette and Weiner included.

No one will ever believe a word.

This may have been a clumsy attempt at reverse psychology — an attempt to keep me from connecting John Reid to Dan Wolfe by claiming that doing so would discredit my posts, and acting pleased by the prospect. But we’ll leave the theorizing for another day. Suffice it to say that I vouch for absolutely nothing a puppet says. Whether he says he is telling the truth or whether he says he is lying, a puppet’s motives must always be scrutinized.


I will publish that entire e-mail chain in the near future.

Complete document dump follows. Here we go:



Weinergate: More Stuff Tonight

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:33 am

The story seems to have slowed down. I feel like giving the story a kickstart. I may — I said “may”! — have time to post something tonight.

What it will be, I’m not sure. There is the rest of the document dump I promised to publish from JohnReid9. With whom I have not spoken in over two days.

There is the continuing saga of Alicia Pain.

There is the need to follow up on a couple of the random quotes I tossed out during the weekend.

But I repeat myself.

And then there is . . . all the other stuff that’s going on.

A lot of potential topics there. Should be able to find something interesting to post on.


Mail, I Get Mail

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 pm

From “Alicia Pain”:

You need to stop digging into Genette Cordova and Rep. AW. I cannot insure your safety if you continue.
Do not trust anyone.

Please think about your family. This story is not worth it. I can assure you that.

Please remember, your safety cannot be assured if you continue.

I am trying to help you, a lot of people are very disappointed that this story has continued.

You can continue with the story if you so desire, but your safety cannot be assured.

Thank you for your cooperation and your understanding.

Yours Truly- Alicia

Lotta red fonts in this e-mail. That was the scariest part of all!

Big drop coming later.

UPDATE: Ace e-mails to say he received the same threat.

UPDATE x2: Commenter Miranda finds a reference to “Alicia Pain” on the Web. Lotta red in this too. Scaaaaary!

UPDATE x3: Here is the header, for what it’s worth. I don’t know if you can learn anything from a header in an e-mail sent to a Gmail account, but for what it’s worth, here it is.

Received: by with SMTP id n6cs61128yho;
Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with SMTP id v4mr2983153icy.195.1308887479961;
Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( [])
by with SMTP id w6si5785230ibh.3.2011.;
Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass ( best guess record for domain of designates as permitted sender) client-ip=;
Authentication-Results:; spf=pass ( best guess record for domain of designates as permitted sender); dkim=pass (test mode)
Received: from [] by with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 03:51:19 -0000
Received: from [] by with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 03:51:19 -0000
Received: from [] by with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 03:51:19 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
Received: (qmail 72113 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2011 03:51:19 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=s1024; t=1308887479; bh=/Ijefr4qDAUJqGCP25BN6SsjATGbS+T55HcClurIY5M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lG0SOGX8QIS5PVWIbglAmUaBexDkUVxe4B/TLPAQnjj7a6Bl42A6SliRgi4Glx+b3rmswZhOuGL7FW6fhowqdzVNLDs+wxndUBBFeU6PA3T+JodkOUI8lUZuDk2DHae3wmNZEbye1behcbPGvrnceY1sY4F/3rpN/ADAyqiC1QA=
DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
Message-ID: <>
X-YMail-OSG: XWhG..YVM1m5v__JZ8o0sIv8gL6TR1aPDl5MG82emves1_9
Received: from [] by via HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:51:19 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Pain
Reply-To: Alicia Pain
Subject: URGENT
To: “”
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=”0-174216461-1308887479=:41209″

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does that tell you anything?

UPDATE x4: I had an e-mail exchange with “Alicia” last night. You may read it here.

UPDATE x5: Some chucklehead on Twitter thought I was accusing the real Alicia Pain of being the emailer. I think this is clear to everyone on Earth but him, but I’m obviously not saying that. I’m saying the emailer perhaps chose the name because if the violent images at the link. Duh.


Donald Trump’s Latest Late Night Tweet Storm

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:32 am

[UPDATE: Ah, I see Dana already did this story. Well, read both of our posts!]

All the online polls say this was a good idea. All of them!

After the Machado story broke, places like the Daily Caller reported: “Snippets of an adult film starring Machado are available on multiple free porn websites.” This has been debunked:

It should come as no surprise that celebrity nude photographs and sex videos drive major traffic on the Internet. But when legitimate photographs or videos are not available, hoaxsters often resort to creating their own. In some cases, this involves Photoshopping a famous face onto a nude or near-nude body (as was done with Sarah Palin), or changing the title of a sex video if it features a porn actress who bears a resemblance to a celebrity

The latter is the case with Alicia Machado. In 2009, a video clip purportedly showing the former Miss Universe winner engaging in anal sex was circulated online, and that is the clip that now most frequently shows up in response to web searches on the phrase “Alicia Machado porn.” However, the woman seen in that video is not Alicia Machado — the clip was taken from the 2004 DVD Apprentass 4, which features porn actress Angel Dark, and was later retitled to suggest it showed Alicia Machado:

The Daily Caller article now sports the correction: “Correction: The star of Apprentass 4 was Angel Dark, not Alicia Machado.”

Happily, we can still carry on the debate, because there is some grainy footage of figures squirming together on a bed on a Spanish reality show. As says:

Machado is also often described as having been in a “sex tape,” a claim that stems from her 2005 appearance on the Spanish reality show La Granja (similar to the United States’ The Real World), which she was reportedly kicked off of after being filmed having sex with another cast member:

The romantic relationship between Alicia Machado and her fellow Venezuelan, baseball player Bob Abreu, is finished. The breakup was announced by the athlete himself in an interview with the Telefutura cable network.

The remarks followed a scandal that erupted over Machado’s appearance on the Spanish television program La Granja. In the course of that reality show, the former Miss Universe and Spanish actor Fernando Acaso were filmed having sex. After the incident, the Venezuelan actress and singer was booted from the program, and two weeks ago she apologized on the air to her boyfriend.

“I never thought things would happen like that. [Fernando] behaved very respectfully towards her as a woman” Abreu says. He also said that Machado would now have to think things through. Abreu emphasized that he is no longer Machado’s boyfriend and said their relationship had ended before Machado went to Spain to participate in La Granja.

However, the so-called “sex tape” stemming from that incident, which is nothing more than some grainy, night-vision footage of a couple of covered figures writhing in a bed, hardly qualifies as explicit. And reality television being what it is, the scene the tape depicts was quite possibly staged or fabricated.

I have a friend who once played a role on a reality show. He was the cheating husband caught on tape with multiple bikini-clad women in a hot tub. My friend has never been married, but he got paid cash money to pretend he was so he could sit in a hot tub with bikini-clad women. Not a bad gig. Lesson: “reality” shows are fictional trash. Sorry to burst your bubble.

So now maybe Mike Pence can spend part of the Vice Presidential debate defending the notion that Trump’s late night reference to a sex tape was not a debunked reference to a porn tape, but a reference to grainy footage from a reality show. I think that would be a good use of his time, don’t you? Better than, say, using that time to talk about, say, Tim Kaine boycotting Netanyahu’s speech to Congress and his ties to J Street.

Thanks, Donald!

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