Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
Veterans gathered Friday in Normandy to mark the 81st anniversary of the D-Day landings — a pivotal moment of World War II that eventually led to the collapse of Adolf Hitler’s regime.
Along the coastline and near the D-Day landing beaches, tens of thousands of onlookers attended the commemorations, which included parachute jumps, flyovers, remembrance ceremonies, parades, and historical reenactments.
Many were there to cheer the ever-dwindling number of surviving veterans in their late 90s and older. All remembered the thousands who died.
Here's our Stars and Stripes front page from June 6, 1944. Today is the 81st anniversary of the D-Day landings. pic.twitter.com/B4XNOAFBBR
— Stars and Stripes (@starsandstripes) June 6, 2025
Second news item
Like he hasn’t already been bombing the hell out of Ukraine:
Russia launched an intense missile and drone barrage at Kyiv overnight, killing four people, after Vladimir Putin had vowed to respond to Ukraine’s Operation Spiderweb attack on some of the Kremlin’s nuclear-capable bombers.
Missiles and drones hammered the Ukrainian capital leading fires to rage through residential buildings and forcing the local metro system to close after a train was hit.
Four killed, 20 injured.
Sure, Vlad, whatever you say:
Russia’s defence ministry said that its forces had carried out the overnight attacks in response to what it called Ukrainian “terrorist acts” against Russia. The Kremlin later described its three-year invasion of Ukraine as “existential” for Russia, casting it as nothing short of a battle for the “future” of Russia.
Third news item
A new policy throughout the country is happening, and it’s a great:
District of Columbia Public Schools (DCPS) is continuing to take steps toward banning phones inside its schools. The school division announced Friday that all phones and mobile devices will no longer be allowed in the classroom.
The policy will go into effect during the fall of the 2025-26 school year.
This means that all phones must be turned off and stored away throughout the school day. All middle schools and several high schools have already begun implementing the policy, and DCPS noted they are seeing positive changes.
Fourth news item
Shameful. Shameful. Shameful:
Trump’s efforts to weaken the bill reportedly include:
Urging Lindsey Graham’s office to insert waivers: These waivers would give Trump the discretion to choose which individuals or entities to sanction, rather than making sanctions mandatory.
Requesting changes to the bill’s language: Specifically, turning the word “shall” into “may” where it appears in the text, which would remove the mandatory nature of the sanctions.
Reasons for Trump’s stance:
Preference for presidential authority: Administrations often seek legislative language that grants the president more authority in decision-making, particularly concerning foreign policy actions.Focus on peace talks with Ukraine: The push to weaken the sanctions package has stalled the bill’s progress as Trump has been emphasizing efforts to bring about peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.
Impact of these actions:
Congressional aides have expressed concern that removing the mandatory nature of the sanctions would render the bill “toothless”.
Despite bipartisan support for the bill in the Senate, Senate Republican leadership is reportedly waiting for a “green-light” from the White House before moving forward with a vote.
Fifth news item
Supreme Court rules on “reverse discrimination“:
The Supreme Court on Thursday revived a lawsuit from an Ohio woman who claimed she was the victim of reverse discrimination because her employer denied her a promotion because she is straight.
In a unanimous decision in the case of Ames v. Ohio Department of Youth Services, the high court tossed out a ruling by a federal appeals court that dismissed Marlean Ames’ claims because she failed to clear a higher bar applied to members of a majority group in order for her employment discrimination case to proceed. The justices concluded that a “background circumstances” requirement cannot be squared with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and sent Ames’ case back to the lower courts for further proceedings.
This:
Charlie is exactly right. The text of Title VII prohibits discrimination — not just discrimination against historically marginalized groups. We should all be treated the same.
Unanimous decision. Justice Jackson wrote the opinion. That's what judicial consensus looks like. https://t.co/PI4zCU1SbU
— David French (@DavidAFrench) June 5, 2025
Sixth news item
The University of Michigan is using private, undercover investigators to surveil pro-Palestinian campus groups, including trailing them on and off campus, furtively recording them and eavesdropping on their conversations, the Guardian has learned.
The surveillance appears to largely be an intimidation tactic, five students who have been followed, recorded or eavesdropped on said. The undercover investigators have cursed at students, threatened them and in one case drove a car at a student who had to jump out of the way, according to student accounts and video footage shared with the Guardian.
Hello.
Dana (9e955e) — 6/6/2025 @ 10:02 amIt’s gonna be a long wait, as that “green light” will never come.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 10:11 amGauche :
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 10:26 amUnanimous decision. Justice Jackson wrote the opinion.
Justice Thomas agreed. This is the death of DEI and Affirmative Action, globally.
Kevin M (19fb72) — 6/6/2025 @ 11:14 amThis means that all phones must be turned off and stored away throughout the school day.
Each teacher should be issued a 20-lb oak mallet.
Kevin M (19fb72) — 6/6/2025 @ 11:16 amIt’s gonna be a long wait, as that “green light” will never come.
What will come, eventually, is their defeat. If all I can do to get the Congress to oppose Trump is to vote for Democrats, then that’s what I’ll do.
I never thought the day would come. I wonder if the GOP will ever recover.
Kevin M (6b28f7) — 6/6/2025 @ 11:19 amThe Kremlin later described its three-year invasion of Ukraine as “existential” for Russia, casting it as nothing short of a battle for the “future” of Russia.
It’s also existential for the West, but we are too busy playing with our phones.
Kevin M (6b28f7) — 6/6/2025 @ 11:20 amMandatory Fawlty Towers reference.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 12:01 pmWho knew that Supreme Court rulings have a global reach.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 12:03 pmKilmar Abrego Garcia is being returned to the US.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/6/2025 @ 12:26 pmI have school aged kids and applaud this, generally. But, wait until a school shooting or other emergency where students have no way of calling 911.
I think a better policy is a one strike rule for each student. There are kids who can handle their phones responsibly.
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:00 pm@10 LOL Rip acts as news gatekeeper. The full headline:
“Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges”
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:04 pmKeeping it classy.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:09 pmIf I was acting as a gatekeeper I wouldn’t have posted a link.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:10 pmSixth news item:
Oh boy. Sounds like a Rule of Law crisis at U-M.
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:14 pmWho knew that Supreme Court rulings have a global reach.
A different meaning of globally, of course. As in “all fields, not just college admissions.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:14 pmSome schools only ban smartphones but flip phones that can only make or accept voice calls or texts are OK to possess. I think banning phones s=is giving up. And can’t students preoccupy themselves with other things?
There is a danger of calling other students in the school. But a school that bad could also have a problem of the phones being stolen.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:14 pmThere are kids who can handle their phones responsibly.
Teacher’s view: Not at all.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:18 pmStudent’s view: Just for important stuff.
This is the same problem as dividing by zero. A sphere can be cut up (into as little as five pieces) and reassembled into making two spheres of the same size as the original.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
It’s not clear to me why this computation is not simply declared an illegal operation.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:18 pmAbrego Garcia’s return, for whatever reason, also exposes the lie that the Trump Administration was powerless to persuade the El Salvadoran government to release him.
Finally we will see if the Government has enough evidence to convict him of human smuggling.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:23 pmMore:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:31 pm@20
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:34 pm1 returned to the US.
260± still denied justice in El Salvador and denied American constitutional rights.
Paul Montagu (458a17) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:35 pmI know it sucks that the Trump administration complied with a court order. There goes your silly narrative.
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:45 pmMaryland man
lloyd (1ac8ba) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:55 pmSucks how?
Paul Montagu (458a17) — 6/6/2025 @ 1:59 pmWhat “silly narrative”?
The University of Michigan is using private, undercover investigators to surveil pro-Palestinian campus groups, including trailing them on and off campus, furtively recording them and eavesdropping on their conversations, the Guardian has learned.
They’re just trying to find out what these students might know about the Connor Stalions mess.
JVW (4e1a52) — 6/6/2025 @ 2:03 pmThe Kilmar Abrego Garcia indictment.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 2:20 pmIt says they carried no luggage because they had just (recently) crossed – it says their cell phones were taken from them till the end of the trip in order that they should not communicate with anyone during the trip.
It says construction work was just a cover story (which might mean where he took them was not their final destination and they didn’t have the same one)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/6/2025 @ 2:41 pmThe position of the Trump Administration is that the colleges must not only take steps to prevent harassment etc but that it must succeed. hey probably don’t know whom to hire.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/6/2025 @ 2:44 pmDidn’t Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott also conspire with others to “transport and move … aliens within the United States”?
When will they be indicted?
Dave (751db2) — 6/6/2025 @ 2:45 pmMore from the ABC News link below. It’s not a surprise that the Garcia’s defense attorney would slam the indictment, but it’s unusual for a 15-year career prosecutor would resign over it…
The verdict will determine whether it’s a supportable case or not.
Paul Montagu (458a17) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:06 pmSo did Biden, Dave. So did the Democrat mayor of NYC.
Full of sh1t, as usual. Human trafficking involves, but is not limited to, force, fraud or coercion.
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:33 pmYou mean, like OJ?
Again, from @25:
“The vehicle Abrego Garcia was driving the night he was pulled over in Tennessee was owned by Jose Ramon Hernandez-Reyes, a Mexican illegal migrant convicted of smuggling other illegal migrants, DHS confirmed to the DCNF.”
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:35 pmDemocrat party donor class tells the establishment elites who run the dnc and democrat party you can only use dei yelling racism, sexism and transphobia. You must exclude Bernie Sanders economic populism or we cut off funding like the 20 million we funded on men that tells you to go to the gym and tell everyone their how wonderful DEI is!
asset (cbe852) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:41 pmWithout diminishing the heroism and sacrifice of those who served on D-Day, I don’t think it’s accurate to say it “led to” Germany’s defeat.
It certainly accelerated Germany’s defeat, and also ensured that Western Europe would democratic and friendly to us after the war, rather than under Stalin’s domination.
But the war was decided on the Eastern Front, where 80% of German casualties occurred. U.S. lend-lease aid was essential to that victory, including
400,000 jeeps & trucks
Dave (051b5e) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:51 pm14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
CNN journalist mocked for saying she’s ‘afraid’ to travel to the US: ‘As if I was going to North Korea’
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:55 pmGood to see the Trump admin doing what they should have done months ago. Looking forward to the cases against the other 200+ sent to El Salvador.
Davethulhu (468890) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:58 pmSure, but I guess you forgot that Biden is immune from prosecution for any action taken in office.
DeSantis and Abbott are not.
Dave (96c0fe) — 6/6/2025 @ 3:59 pmHitler was only able to achieve the conquest of much of western Europe (essentially the start of WWII) because of the Nazi-Soviet pact. The Soviets were complicit in Hitler’s gains, and deserve no credit for the immense effort to reverse it.
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:05 pmUnserious.
Paul Montagu (458a17) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:14 pmNow do Munich.
Dave (db753e) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:16 pmAgain, maybe brush up on what human trafficking is, Dave. Until then, I’m sure you’ll want to add Maura Healey, Kathy Hochul and Jared Polis to your Martha’s Vineyard jihad.
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:20 pmNow do Whataburger.
lloyd (ca68c7) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:22 pmAlso Congress granted to the Executive Branch a range of authorities to implement immigration laws.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:28 pmNo President is immune from prosecution for any action taken in office. Trump v. United States is only dicta.
nk (0d2ac6) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:35 pmUnserious.
Dave (db753e) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:40 pmThat’s a unique interpretation. From the syllabus:
How did you reach your conclusion?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:50 pmRip, he was being unserious.
You need a sarcasm detector for sure.
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:55 pmI’m no fancy-pants lawyer, but the indictment seems very thin on actual evidence.
It cites six unnamed co-conspirators who are alleged to have been involved. It cites no evidence linking Abrego Garcia to them, other than their own statements.
In the one case where Abrego Garcia was stopped by police while transporting passengers, the passengers had no ID and there is no evidence to prove they were in the country illegally.
Unless they have more direct evidence than what’s in the indictment, it’s hard to see how they meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Dave (db753e) — 6/6/2025 @ 4:57 pmMight as well have been a moot court debate. There was no trial, no adjudicated set of facts, no final and appealable judgment; the court was theorizing in the abstract or semi-abstract (and since you have the opinion I’m sure you’ll find it) for “guidance” to the trial court on remand.
nk (6c45b4) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:02 pmApparently not, see nk’s post 51.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:07 pmTrump’s lawyers are aware of it, too. Why do you think the language of his J6 blanket pardon was so broad that it included him?
nk (80eb52) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:08 pm@50 Let’s get real, folks. If the case is weak due to lack of evidence, it’s because Biden’s FBI didn’t want to pursue it at the time. From @25:
It doesn’t matter whether there’s a conviction anyway. This human trafficker and wife beater is deportable even without a conviction, just not to El Salvador. The same folks will be lighting their hair on fire regardless.
lloyd (15d9cc) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:12 pmYou’re right, Dave, unserious. Britain snd France gained no territory as a result of Munich, and sent no troops to invade Czechoslovakia for their own selfish gain. That you would equate it to the Nazi-Soviet Pact is ridiculous, but definitely not unexpected.
lloyd (278fdc) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:29 pmRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:07 pm
From the opinion:
The remand is for the lower court to use the higher court’s guidance. A higher court’s conclusion is not dicta.
Although you do have me on whether or not he was being unserious.
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:31 pmhttps://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1063_6j37.pdf
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:36 pmTeacher wears ‘8647’ shirt on school trip to White House
LMAO what a moron.
Yeah, she resigned.
lloyd (278fdc) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:41 pm‘This is my mum. Throw her back in, she’s travelling the world.’
lloyd (278fdc) — 6/6/2025 @ 5:47 pmFinally we will see if the Government has enough evidence to convict him of human smuggling.
Did they extradite him? That would be one way of forcing the issue without fault being laid.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:40 pmPrediction: The charges will be dropped and the deportation case will go forward.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:43 pmMost historians believe that World War II started with Hitler’s attack on Poland in 1939. Hitler attacked Denmark and Norway in April 1940, and then the Netherlands, Belgium, and France in 1940.
(A. J. P. Taylor, in his wildly controversial book on the origins of the war, notes that Ethiopians might think it started with the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, and Chinese might think it began when imperial Japan invaded China. And so on.)
This Wikipedia article gives a reasonable summary of the beginnings of the war:
Jim Miller (a31030) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:43 pm@62 “when Nazi Germany, under Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland”
The Soviet Union invaded Poland on that same day, attempts to whitewash it from history notwithstanding.
lloyd (7c5192) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:47 pm@63 Correction: not on the same day.
lloyd (7c5192) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:49 pm#36 Stalin once said something like this: Britain provided the time, the Soviet Union provided the men, and America provided the money. That seems a fair summary to me, though I also like Khrushchev’s quip that Spam won the war. And Spam is an excellent combat food, high in calories, needing no cooking, and going well with potatoes and bread.
Jim Miller (a31030) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:57 pmOn WW II in general: I have learned from the trilogies by Atkinson and Toll.
Jim Miller (a31030) — 6/6/2025 @ 7:00 pmBritain and France tried to avoid fighting Hitler by feeding him part of France’s independent treaty partner, Czechoslovakia. The Soviet Union also had a treaty committing it to assist Czechoslovakia if it were attacked, as well as a treaty with France, but they were not consulted.
Stalin tried to avoid fighting Hitler in return for territory that had been part of Russia for centuries, but independent for the previous 20 years. The pact with Germany was signed after nearly a month of fruitless talks with low-level emissaries from Britain and France in Moscow.
Both the Munich and Nazi-Soviet Pact were cynical, craven attempts to buy peace at the expense of smaller countries. After Munich, and Germany’s absorption of the rest of Czecho-Slovakia in March 1939, the Soviet foreign minister Litvinov, who had been strongly in favor of collective defense against Hitler (and who was Jewish) was replaced with Molotov, who eventually negotiated and signed the Pact.
Dave (db753e) — 6/6/2025 @ 7:37 pmGood, but kind of U.S.-centric.
H.P. Willmott and Richard Overy are my favorite authors.
I think Willmott’s books on the first months of the Pacific War (when it was decided) are the best military histories I’ve read, bar none.
Overy has written solid books on many aspects of the war, but the ones of the lead-up to war were especially good.
Dave (db753e) — 6/6/2025 @ 8:07 pm@67
LOL
lloyd (d5e880) — 6/6/2025 @ 8:28 pmThe Nazi-Soviet Pact also ceded Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and present day Moldova to the Soviet Union. Nothing like Munich.
lloyd (d5e880) — 6/6/2025 @ 8:58 pmThanks everybody for the history lesson I didn’t need. Prime minister neville chamberlain’s cabinet led by sam hoare had to tell chamberlain they would resign if he didn’t declare war on germany after it invaded poland. Glad to see my old critic JVW back posting.
asset (1af58f) — 6/6/2025 @ 10:16 pmAll those areas were part of Russia until 1918.
Dave (89ebcb) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:09 amIt’s true that the Nazi-Soviet Pact left the Soviets stronger, while Munich left Britain and France (and the Soviet Union) weaker.
In that sense the Pact was a smarter (if no more ethical) move.
Dave (89ebcb) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:13 amChurchill on Munich:
Dave (db753e) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:23 amOn a more hopeful note tucker carlson is in a cage fight with Israel’s chicken hawk ambassadors to the U.S. mark levine and ben shapiro to get trump to go to war with Iran so Israel doesn’t have too! Trump is hesitant to go to war with Iran as russia and china will support Iran. Being a draft dogging coward does have its virtues.
asset (1af58f) — 6/7/2025 @ 2:36 amElon musk corporate democrat stooges say Bernie and AOC should stop using the term oligarchs because it is scaring them and they may stop buying corporate democrats.
asset (1af58f) — 6/7/2025 @ 2:39 amDemocrats take rural south carolina house district that trump won by 18 points with 70% of the vote. When trump is not on the ballot trumpsters don’t show up to vote as in 2018. Virginia is coming in nov. 2025
asset (1af58f) — 6/7/2025 @ 2:47 amUkraine was part of Russia until 1991.
lloyd (d5e880) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:12 am“ LOL Rip acts as news gatekeeper. The full headline:
“Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges””
– lloyd
Some of us still appreciate the difference between “charges” and “no charges.”
Leviticus (b8f9b6) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:22 amLeviticus didn’t like Rip’s link.
lloyd (d5e880) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:29 amAvg price of eggs:
Jan 21: $6.47
lloyd (1e8a89) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:25 amJun 6: $2.57
https://www.dailywire.com/news/boy-pitches-complete-game-shutout-to-win-girls-softball-championship?
Those who support destroying childhood and abusing children by making them think boys can be girls and vice versa must be so proud.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:07 amBoth the Munich and Nazi-Soviet Pact were cynical, craven attempts to buy peace at the expense of smaller countries
I agree about Munich, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about buying Russia time to rearm. It bought them some, but not enough to stop the Nazis from occupying a lot of their country. Luckily for them, the Russian winter stopped the Germans cold and their arms production finally caught up with their needs.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:19 amClassy Olympic champion who never competed against men calls out those who did
Someone might want to ask Biles why, except for floor exercise, the men’s gymnastic events are different from women’s.
lloyd (1e8a89) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:22 amAnd, of course the German side of the Pact was just as cynical. It was about delaying the attack on Russia until after France and the west. I suspect Hitler would have preferred to wait until early spring 1941 but he saw the Russians re-arming and decided not to wait. Also, the invasion of Britain wasn’t going to work.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:24 amSomeone might want to ask Biles why, except for floor exercise, the men’s gymnastic events are different from women’s.
I doubt even Biles would do well on rings. Pure upper-body strength.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:26 amHmm! $6.99 on my Jewel-Osco receipt in Chicago this morning.
From now on, I’m doing all my shopping at The Daily Caller.
That sh!t didn’t work for Biden and it’s not going to work for Trump. People know how much they spend on things.
But keep trying!
nk (67e17c) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:29 am@83 What cost Russia time was Stalin’s purges in the military. They already had the T-34 tank, which was superior to anything the Germans had, and more men. They lacked competent leadership in the ranks among those still living.
lloyd (1e8a89) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:30 amUkraine was part of Russia until 1991.
As was every other SSR that wasn’t the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:31 amThey already had the T-34 tank, which was superior to anything the Germans had
But nowhere near enough. It’s hard to say what damage Stalin’s purges did, as the Russian military was incompetent in the first war.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:33 amWalmart eggs: $2.97 a dozen large
Of course some people just won’t shop at Walmart.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:36 am@84 I forgot both men and women do vault. So, three out of five events are different.
lloyd (1e8a89) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:47 amGood news: California rejects plan to phase out gas water heaters.
Electric water heating is difficult. The wattage required exceeds many home panel limits and would require costly panel upgrades. But even then, with electric grid demand high and top tier rates exceeding 60 cents per KWh (with fees and taxes), just running them would be costly.
Whole-home on-demand electric water heating is nearly impossible with current designs; the wattage would exceed that needed for a fast car-charger.
This is the kind of cost/benefit thing that environmentalists abhor, but the (unelected) AQMD voted it down 7-5, despite Trump’s opposition.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:50 amThat may be true according to the Daily Caller’s source, but that source also says that average June price is still 11.72% higher than the same time a year ago.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:52 amMore:
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 9:56 amThat’s interesting, Rip.
If egg prices are 11.72% higher than one year ago, that means they grew nearly 200% in Biden’s last seven months. And, since Trump took office they are nearly back to what they previously were. Thanks for making that clear!
lloyd (1e8a89) — 6/7/2025 @ 10:09 amI guess you missed the part that said egg prices reached their peak in March 2025.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 10:21 amRip, I encourage you to cling to March 2025 egg prices for the next three and a half years.
lloyd (dd15ea) — 6/7/2025 @ 10:31 amOne of the reasons that egg prices have fallen is that the US is importing millions of eggs from foreign countries, such as Canada, Brazil, Honduras, Mexico, and Turkey. However, these imports will be subject to the 10% baseline tariff.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 10:34 amIt bought time, but also space. If the Soviets hadn’t occupied the Baltics and Eastern Poland, German tanks would have started less than 100 miles from Leningrad, and 150 miles closer to Moscow. The lack of defensive depth would have required even more Soviet forces deployed far forward, and even more would have been cut off and annihilated in the first weeks.
As it happens, I faced this unhappy situation last July at the World Boardgaming Championships. In the pre-war game, Gathering Storm, the Germans managed to coerce Poland into giving up the corridor (the Allies could not muster the political will to back up their threats of war) and put a pro-Fascist, anti-Soviet Polish government in place. In the subsequent game of A World at War, I had to try to defend Russia with the Germans starting on the pre-war Soviet border (the game does not allow Germany to prevent Russia from occupying the Baltic States, since that would be too unbalanced to even bother playing out).
Hitler was certain, from the moment the Nazi-Soviet Pact was signed until the very end, that Britain and France would abandon Poland as they had the Czechs (“Our enemkies are little worms – I saw them at Munich,” he told his generals two days before the originally planned invasion date), and he was genuinely shaken when they actually did declare war.
Also, Hitler was the only one – on either side – who expected Germany to defeat France. The German generals felt they would be lucky to improve on the stalemated front line of WWI by maybe taking the port of Calais. Many were convinced Germany would be decisively defeated. By May 1940, the Allied leaders were confident of victory. Stalin expected a long and costly war in the West.
Dave (89be11) — 6/7/2025 @ 10:54 amThe Trump Administration shows it’s serious:
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:08 amLast week ICE raided an underground Chinese social club, arresting 36 Chinese and Taiwanese nationals. This followed a week long operation in early May when 239 illegal immigrants were arrested.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:18 amIt’s a start.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:19 amMost recent fresh egg purchase (5/28/25): WalMart, E. Magnolia St. Fort Collins CO.
ColoComment (a0a220) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:24 am1 dozen, large size, cage-free* white. $2.96
* cage-free is mandated by our overlords, the State of Colorado. …because, laying hens need elbow room (or something like that) …which likely may add a few extra cents to the basic cost, of course.
“As it happens, I faced this unhappy situation last July at the World Boardgaming Championships”
Good lord
lloyd (6189ff) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:25 amKamran Fareedi
@fareedi_kamran
Why am I getting emails from
@GerryConnolly’s campaign AFTER he has passed away?
Beyond unethical.
lloyd (6189ff) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:34 amCongratulations to Coco Gauff, for winning the French Open by defeating the world’s number one player Aryna Sabalenka, 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-4, and becoming the first American to win the French Open since Serena Williams in 2015.
Rip Murdock (94be14) — 6/7/2025 @ 11:51 amThis egg prices business is silly.
Paul Montagu (156f50) — 6/7/2025 @ 12:07 pmChickens caught a virus and had to be killed off en masse to prevent further spread. Prices will resume to normal when enough replacement hens are mature enough to produce eggs.
Like everything else, it’s a political football.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/7/2025 @ 12:50 pmOdd that you two waited until now to call it out. So out of left field.
lloyd (6189ff) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:16 pmSmart phones were the worst invention for teenagers possibly ever. My school has theoretically banned cell phones for at least 20 years and we still confiscate at least 10 pones a day that make it to the office, so that doesn’t count phones that get confiscated to the teacher’s desk and returned at the end of the period. And kids are sneaking them all the time. Parents still text their kids or even call in the middle of the school day. Kids try to sneak them for music or to play games or to write vicious things to snap or insta or a group text. We confiscate at least 3 a year for taking pics in the locker room (NO! NO! NO!). Parents make at least 10 formal complaints to the district office per year due to enforcement of the cell phone rule and call to scream at us for that much much more often. I hate cell phones so much.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:40 pmIt bought time, but also space.
Good point. Not a wargamer, so I don’t have that perspective.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:51 pmNic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:40 pm
Confiscation is too mild. A large oak mallet will turn them into debris.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 1:54 pm@kevin@113 Well, yes, but so many parent complaints…
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 2:25 pm@111
That sounds like a problem of the school’s making.
Again, banning phones will be a great policy until the first emergency in which no student can call 911.
Just as with parents, there are functional schools and dysfunctional ones. I hope Nic finds a better school.
lloyd (6189ff) — 6/7/2025 @ 3:02 pmNice set of companies you have there Elon; it would be a shame if the SEC, FDA, FBI, ICE, OSHA, NHTSA, Department of Justice, Defense or Labor started investigating them:
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/7/2025 @ 4:14 pm@lloyd@115 You realize we still have landlines in schools, right? It isn’t hard to find a phone to call 911.
Education is just a tough field that has to balance a lot of conflicting wants and needs. I have a good school with strong administrators and strong teachers that works with a challenging population. I’m right where I need to be.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 4:59 pmDuring the campaign, Trump promised his supporters “Getting them out will be a bloody story.”
Promises made, promises kept.
Dave (89be11) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:09 pmEveryone knows that Donald Trump never, ever, disrespected President Obama or President Biden…
Dave (89be11) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:15 pmTough for someone to do while hiding in a closet while a gunman is going from room to room. And you can’t send text messages from a landline.
At the Uvalde school shooting, a number of brave children contacted law enforcement dispatchers to inform them that the suspect was still active in building while sheltering in closets with victims. Without that information, law enforcement (which was completely clueless about what was going on) would have known even less.
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:26 pmIt doesn’t have to be “bloody.” Protesters that physically interfere with federal law enforcement during ICE operations should expect them to defend themselves. Peaceful protest is one thing; storming a federal detention facility is quite another. They play right into the Administration’s hands. No sympathy from me.
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:32 pmThe Battle of Los Angeles continues:
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:45 pmNic @117
What Rip said.
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:49 pmRelated:
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:51 pmIt’s why he got elected.
The guy who created the problem lost. Your guy. Isn’t that weird?
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 5:59 pm@125 guy/gal — whatever
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:00 pmEven more:
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:01 pm@Rip@120 @lloyd@123 They are supposed to keep their phones in their backpacks or pocket turned off. In an emergency, they would still have them.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:06 pmWill anyone call this an insurrection?
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:06 pmRight wing idiots will
Davethulhu (8a0882) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:08 pmNic @128 From the OP:
So, no I don’t think so.
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:09 pmDavethulhu, I agree. I think they’re just angry about the price of eggs.
lloyd (756498) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:13 pmNo, because the protesters aren’t attempting to overthrow the government.
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:29 pm@lloyd@131 “all phones must be turned off and stored away throughout the school day” Backpacks.
https://dcps.dc.gov/cellphones
It’s a bell to bell policy. They can have them before or after school and can be used with specific permissions during the day.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:31 pmRip,
they are waving flags of foreign nations. If that’s not an invasion and insurrection, then you don’t know what one is.
NJRob (b010a3) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:51 pmNic @134 Again, the concern about emergency situations is valid. Let’s not obfuscate with landlines or a policy you claim is X when it’s really Y.
lloyd (e5e74f) — 6/7/2025 @ 6:53 pm@lloyd@136 I linked you to the policy.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:21 pmNo, because the protesters aren’t attempting to overthrow the government.
That’s one definition. The legal definition is less cramped:
The language seems pretty broad and makes no mention of a goal of “overthrow.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:38 pmRip,
Let’s say an extreme group opposed to what ICE is doing used armed force against ICE officers, captures some and shot them. They are not trying to overthrow the government, they are only opposed to one aspect of it.
But it is, among other things, an “insurrection.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:41 pmDavethulhu, I agree. I think they’re just angry about the price of eggs.
Are the Vice President’s kids there? They eat fourteen a day.
And what about the geese?
nk (67e17c) — 6/7/2025 @ 7:48 pmIf you are still paying $6+ for eggs you need to find another store.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:02 pmActually it’s you who doesn’t know that waving foreign flags (by anyone) is a protected First Amendment activity; and certainly not evidence of “invasion and insurrection.”
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:09 pmThat’s called free speech, Rob, just like your Confederate buddies can display the Stars and Bars at public events–or even burn them–without legal consequence.
Paul Montagu (156f50) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:12 pmRip,
the waving of the flags goes hand in hand with their violent attack on government offices and agents.
Try and keep up.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:13 pmIf Jack Smith couldn’t make an insurrection case against President Trump after January 6, 2021, no one is going to be charged with insurrection here.
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:14 pmNic @137 The policy states that schools may require phones to be stored in backpacks, or require they be stored in lockers, or required to be turned in to a central location at the start of school. It’s up to each school.
The concern is that students won’t have access to them in a time of need, and the policy allows schools to restrict access in exactly that manner.
lloyd (6c56af) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:17 pmThe two together are irrelevant. Flag waving is evidence of nothing. Beyond your opinion, what legal precedent supports your claim?
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:17 pm@lloyd@146 It’ll be backpacks. Parents won’t tolerate it otherwise.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:33 pmAlso, a central location isn’t possible. It would take hours to check in and later check out hundreds or thousands of phones. Even if you were letting them lock them up themselves, the space and crowding hundreds or thousands of students into it and the cost of purchasing that many lockable storage slots wouldn’t work.
Nic (120c94) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:40 pmTrump sends in the national guard. How did that turn out at Kent State? Nixon thought he won until anti-war forces turned out the lights on the nixon adm. and derailed the war in vietnam. If we get some martyrs tomorrow people who normally wont fight back will when the bloody shirt is waved. Unlike vietnam war where most only mildly opposed the war half the country hates trump now so plenty will respond.
asset (1c150b) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:43 pmIf American citizens were waving the Mexican flag (I’m sure there were more than a few) would you charge them with treason?
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:52 pmIf American citizens waved the Mexican flag (I’m sure there more than a few), would you charge them with treason?
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:54 pmDon’t know how the double post happened. Odd.
Rip Murdock (eb4a84) — 6/7/2025 @ 8:55 pmWhen traveling to areas that have dengue fever, avoid mosquito bites.
nk (67e17c) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:56 amWhen traveling to areas that have mosquitos, avoid mosquito bites.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 8:03 amQuite some time ago I suggested that Trump would go too far. Now we have National Guard units federalized under a law last used in 1965. “Rebellion or the threat of rebellion” against federal authority.
I don’t think we’re there yet, but SecDef is threatening using the Marines to “restore order” and the ICE chief is threatening the arrest of the L.A. Mayor and CA Governor. That would dial things to “10” at least.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 9:02 amHow long ago did you suggest that Biden/Harris would go to far with unfettered illegal migration?
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:26 amThen:
Now:
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:39 amUntrue. President Trump used his (more limited) authority under 10 U.S. Code § 12406 – National Guard in Federal service; not the Insurrection Act. This the same authority used to deploy NG troops in Washington DC in 2020 during the Black Lives Matter protests.
Rip Murdock (75268d) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:45 amSee here for a more detailed discussion.
Rip Murdock (75268d) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:47 amTom Homan is not the head of ICE. He’s the White House “border czar” and is being deliberately provocative.
Bring it on.
Rip Murdock (75268d) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:54 amAnd Homan doesn’t have the authority to order the arrest of anyone. He’s being melodramatic.
Rip Murdock (75268d) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:12 amHow long ago did you suggest that Biden/Harris would go to far with unfettered illegal migration?
I said they had already gone too far, and that Trump’s reaction would be in response to that. Still, Marines invading East L.A. is not appropriate no matter what the impetus.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:48 amBuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:39 am
As I said upthread, the legal mechanism to use to force his return was extradition. That required an indictment first, which they finally got. I guess that Garcia could have fought extradition, but he apparently did not.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:52 amRip’s correntcion: 10 U.S. Code § 12406
10 USC 12406 (from Rip’s link)
I think that “threat of” and “danger of” are equivalent in this context.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:55 amI did not even use the word “”insurrection”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:56 amTom Homan is not the head of ICE.
Does Tom Homan know that? This administration is weak on the chain of command. It gets leapfrogged all the time.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:57 amlloyd (7c5192) — 6/6/2025 @ 6:47 pm
No, more than two weeks later. On September 17, 1939. Remember, details of the Nazi-Soviet ten year non-aggression pact were secret.
And Hitler hesitated from August 26 to September 1 because he became convinced that Great Britain would indeed declare war. But he went ahead anyway, because he was a health crank (who thought he would be useless after the age of 56, the age when Charles V of Spain abdicated, after which it would be too late) and because he had no family or children and nobody in the world whom he cared about.
Sammy Finkelman (e8afcd) — 6/8/2025 @ 12:16 pmStephen Miller is issuing orders to ICE, although he has no more authority over a government department than Elon Musk did.
Sammy Finkelman (e8afcd) — 6/8/2025 @ 12:18 pmApparently not.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 1:24 pmLAPD is, at the moment, not overwhelmed by the mass of protesters. They are shoulder to shoulder with National Guard as they stave off the lunatics.
Kevin M hardest hit…
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/8/2025 @ 1:28 pmThe Insurrection Act is the only other law that would give the president the authority to deploy the National Guard (or the regular Army) and was last used in 1992.
1965 was the last time the NG and regular Army was mobilized without a governor requesting it in advance.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 1:29 pm1965-Alabama NG was federalized before the third Selma to Montgomery march.
1992-Regular Army troops used to suppress the riots following the acquittals of police officers in the Rodney King beating.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 1:36 pmMiller was appointed to a regular White House position and speaks for the President; Musk was a temporary employee.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 1:39 pmThat is true, but others here have described it as an “invasion and insurrection.”
The main difference between the authority that President Trump invoked (10 U.S. Code § 12406 – National Guard in Federal service) and the Insurrection Act (particularly 10 U.S. Code § 253 – Interference with State and Federal law), is that invoking the Insurrection Act suspends the Posse Comitatus Act, allowing the military to perform law enforcement functions such as arrest and detention.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 2:26 pm“Journalist” Terry Moran lets the mask slip, gets suspended
Moran just couldn’t sustain the con job forever.
lloyd (dad9bd) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:04 pmSo Trump’s order involves Section 12406 (not the Insurrection Act), which allows exceptions to Posse Comitatus…
Seems like Trump’s order is overkill, since the participants are protesting federal actions, not trying to overthrow the federal government. Any protester who decides to become a rioter and obstruct law enforcement can be arrested on the spot, including the thug who threw rocks at ICE vehicles.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:17 pmThis is also troubling if true.
I’d say it’s bad optics for the US military to be occupying part of an American city over a span of months. It smells fascist.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:20 pmWho is Bryan Allen-I assume he’s not the former Canadian hockey player or the hang glider pilot; and how would he know how troops might be in Los Angeles?
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:25 pmIt might improve the quality of life in LA.😉
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:30 pmThe rioters are determined to interfere with the enforcement of federal law and use violence to do so. If the Los Angeles Police and Sheriff Departments can’t protect the federal officers, the NG will.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:35 pmI’d Bryan Allen has a more clearheaded take on the situation than the delusional sh-tstain in the Oval Office.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:41 pmFrom JD Vance:
“As it happens, I know Stephen quite well,” Vance added. “And he’s motivated by love of country. He’s motivated by a fear that people like Terry Moran make rules that normal Americans have to follow, but well connected people don’t.”
How does Terry Moran make rules? What’s he taking about here?
AJ_Liberty (8e95b4) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:41 pmI’d say Bryan Allen…
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 3:42 pmNow they’ve done it.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:00 pmBlocking freeways is a loser move.
I’m just wondering why some random Xitter’s opinion is so important, especially if he doesn’t have any knowledge beyond “news reports suggest…..”
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:00 pmThe whole idea that rioting will stop the federal government from enforcing immigration laws is a loser move.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:07 pmHere’s some random BlueSkyer’s opinion…
Newsom hasn’t been involved in any of this. And this…
This situation isn’t 1992 or 1965.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:15 pmThat’s right. It’s a lot less important.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:17 pmNo idea who is Ryan Goodman is or why should be relied upon for information or accuracy.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:20 pmThe full paragraph reads:
Is it known for certain that the Administration hasn’t sent these orders to Newsom? It seems more like a paperwork exercise.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:29 pmSeems like Trump’s order is overkill, since the participants are protesting federal actions, not trying to overthrow the federal government.
Nothing in that law talks about “trying to overthrow the federal government.” Rebellion against the authority of the federal government is, in this case, limited to an obstruction of federal officers carrying out immigration law enforcement.
And yes, this is a simple criminal charge and does not have to be enforced by military units unless local law enforcement is unable or unwilling to keep order (part (3) of the conditions).
I note that, today, the LAPD is preventing “protesters” from interfering or assaulting ICE personnel. It’s not clear whether that would be the case in the absence of Trump’s NG order; the political class in Los Angeles is dead set opposed to enforcing the immigration laws and offers government aid to illegal residents.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:32 pmI’d say it’s bad optics for the US military to be occupying part of an American city over a span of months.
Strictly speaking, the NG is the state’s militia, not the federal government’s troops. Still, it IS the camel’s nose, and MAGA is talking about getting the whole camel into the tent.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:35 pmHere’s some random BlueSkyer’s opinion
A non-random starting set.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:36 pmThe meaning of that reference to state governors has been lost to history:
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:40 pmThere have been other cases where a governor refused to order the Guard to intervene, and the President federalized the state’s Guard and issued the orders himself. 32 USC 502(f)
But this is not a blank check (long discussion). Notable:
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:47 pmThe meaning of that reference to state governors has been lost to history
It may refer to Article IV, Section IV which reads in part:
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:52 pmAccording to a LA live “news” YouTube, peaceful protesters used their Uber apps to have driverless Waymo cars arrive at the Trump caused riot and plug the road. The live shot showed the dismayed First Ammendmenters smashing and graffiti-ing the not-so-smart cars.
Stupid Trump.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:57 pmThe live shot showed the dismayed First Ammendmenters PEACEFULLY smashing and graffiti-ing the not-so-smart cars.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 4:59 pmThe concept of the National Guard being a state’s militia ended in 1933:
And NG units served in Vietnam; up to 13,000 men.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:00 pmBass is speaking now. She fully blames Trump.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:01 pmThe thing about 32 USC 502 is that it may technically allow Trump to use Texas’ National Guard units in California, the constitutionality of that is disputed.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:01 pmPeople are throwing rocks at cops out of fear.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:02 pmAnd NG units served in Vietnam; up to 13,000 men.
There are several modes for a state’s guard. See #196.
State Active Duty status — state control for state missions
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:05 pm“Title 10″ status — federalized for federal missions
“Title 32” status — state control for federal missions
Under the President’s proclamation, Hegseth could request any National Guard units to be deployed, but Governor Abbot may volunteer his units.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:08 pmDisputed by whom?
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:11 pmYour point?
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:14 pmI think that what is lost here is what was happening in Los Angeles. The mayor and every elected politician in Los Angeles County believes that there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant and will do everything in their power short of abject treason to thwart federal officers attempting to deport people.
So, they organize these spontaneous crowds of peaceful rock-throwers to harass ICE and prevent them from executing federal law. Please don’t call it an intifada. The police are under orders not to help ICE, but to “keep order” — in much the same way Gov Faubus’ NG was “keeping order” in 1957 Little Rock.
I would be a LOT happier, though, with ICE and Trump if their deportation actions were targeted at the folks that really need deporting. They aren’t, and a grandmother is just as likely to be rounded up as a carjacker. Still, localities are not supposed to put themselves in opposition to federal enforcement and I understand where Trump’s frustration comes from.
It’s too bad he’s so bad at avoiding the picadors though.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:15 pmObviously the NG was under Title 10 for their participation in the world wars, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, etc.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:16 pmYour point?
That there is a militia mode.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:16 pmDisputed by whom?
The Brennan Center, for one.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:17 pmWell, they’re no where near to committing treason.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:18 pmWho cares-they wouldn’t have standing to make a court challenge.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:20 pmNot in the historic sense.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:21 pmDisputed by whom?
There is a federalism issue with one state sending troops to another state without leave.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:23 pmWell, they’re no where near to committing treason.
That’s where you stopped? At a parenthetical aside?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:24 pmAngry democrats finally see their chance to fight trump in street fighting in LA. The professional street fighters of the left will reinforce the spontaneous demonstrations the broke out friday in LA. They do street guerilla theater quite well. Maybe get a kent state so get some martyrs to wave the blood shirt. OK democrats you say you want to fight trump heres your chance! You can reinforce the demonstrators with tens of thousands of democrat activists. Democrat leaders lead or get out of the way.
asset (86f15e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:30 pmI don’t know about Arkansas law, but the law that prevents law enforcement from cooperating with ICE is nearly 50 years old.
I look forward to the Trump administration challenging it in court, but they will probably lose. States can’t be commandeered into enforcing federal laws.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:32 pmICE is doing their job-they are arresting anyone who is here illegally. There is no exception (AFAIK) in immigration laws that prevents ICE from arresting illegal immigrants even if they are pillars of the community or grandma.
Rip Murdock (34198e) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:38 pmasset, do you support the goals of the Weather Underground?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:40 pmThe left shows you what they are.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:45 pmStates can’t be commandeered into enforcing federal laws.
No, but they can be commandeered into keeping civil order. That would preclude standing by while people throw rocks at federal officers.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 5:59 pmThere is no exception (AFAIK) in immigration laws that prevents ICE from arresting illegal immigrants even if they are pillars of the community or grandma.
There is the idea of “discretion.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 6:01 pmThe Palestine flags have arrived near the burning Waymos.
Let the real peace begin!
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 6:01 pmhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8cBsyRSVs
Hopefully you can see the thumbnail CBS used for their live feed. It looks like artwork for Call of Duty. It is a grotesque misrepresentation of anything that has happened today.
Meanwhile Bass and Newsom claim that Trump is inciting violence.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/8/2025 @ 6:15 pm@220 When did they have goals?
asset (0111ab) — 6/8/2025 @ 7:33 pmOnly 3 years, 7 months and 2 weeks of this to go.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/8/2025 @ 8:58 pm@227 A lot will stop after the 2026 mid term elections. Democrat elected officials (leaders?) Are being forced to support the resistance as for the first time the democratic party can resist trump in a meaningful way where ice raids occur.
asset (4ad285) — 6/8/2025 @ 10:26 pmThe additional words don’t change the context. Newsom went the other way and told the White House to rescind.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:17 pmBTW, ordering up Waymos to get torched is dumb. Throwing rocks at ICE is dumb.
The rioters are giving what Trump wants.
Just to clarify a longstanding position, protesters who abuse the First Amendment by breaking the law and committing violence against persons and property are no longer protesters, they’re rioters. They’re criminals who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because they abused the First Amendment. Same goes for LA rioters and J6 rioters. Makes no difference to me.
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/8/2025 @ 11:56 pmAlso, the law is clear that non-federales aren’t obligated to help the federales, but it’s unlawful to obstruct federale operations, which is another dumbness by rioters, to block access to ICE facilities.
Another random opinion from a random guy…
Paul Montagu (5a8eb5) — 6/9/2025 @ 12:13 am@199 probably taxi cab drivers who lost their job to waymo.
asset (4ad285) — 6/9/2025 @ 1:30 am@231 Good! trump will go to far which will force democrat leadership to be dragged kicking and screaming that they only answer to the donors cash by the rest of the democrat party into battle with trump.
asset (4ad285) — 6/9/2025 @ 1:40 am@233 If you get what you want; Trumpism vs a lawless left wing populist party I’m taking a hard look at how bad the trumpist candidate is and probably sitting those elections out.
Time123 (eff628) — 6/9/2025 @ 3:25 amSmall battles and small triumphs is all TACO is capable of.
And if he can’t find real ones, he will stage them himself.
nk (c80167) — 6/9/2025 @ 4:00 amAny Terry Moran sightings among the mob?
lloyd (dad9bd) — 6/9/2025 @ 6:03 amMore rando commentary from a rando Xer…
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:16 amThis is the stupidest bit of insight that has ever been posted on the internet.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:17 amhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PpRx5cqA8&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:18 amThat’s probably the best advice right now.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:25 amI’m sure the Trump administration will take his request seriously.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:27 amI guess it depends on which President is exercising and what the “discretion” is. How about the government just enforce the law equally?
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:34 amAnd the law allows the federal government to use a state’s National Guard in federal service, with or without a governor’s permission.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:37 amThe advice Rip is referring to is “the crazy anarchists need to hide their intentions until the actual authority figure is no longer in power. Use that time to swell your forces.”
Yes.. great advice.
BuDuh (4b8190) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:38 amElon’s dad is attending a Fascists R Us conference in Moscow. Other prominent pro-Putin attendees include Alexandr Dugin (who organized the event), Alex Jones, George Galloway, Max Blumenthal, Jeffrey Sachs,
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:42 amWith restrictions, which is the point.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:43 am“Dear community that is prone to violence, please be violent 3 years, 7 months and 2 weeks”
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:44 amStupid how?
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:44 ami Posted my answer a split second before you asked the question, Paul.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:46 amThen you missed the point about what Nichols was saying.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:47 amIs should be:
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:48 amI may have and I really do hope to understand what he was saying. What exactly was he saying Paul?
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:49 amMeet The Criminal Illegal Migrants LA’s Rioting Over
lloyd (dad9bd) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:56 amIt’s right there in the first sentence. This isn’t hard.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 7:59 amSo it is a plea those who are “unsatisfied” unless they “confront” law enforcement or military.
It does not appear as though you have proved my summaries to be incorrect, Paul.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:11 amAs the Dude says. Nichols is cautioning that it’s counterproductive for protesters to not become rioters, which includes idjits on motorcycles. This isn’t hard.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:40 amNichols addressees those who would be “unsatisfied” without their “confrontations,” Paul. It really isn’t that hard, but you obfuscate.
Do yourself a favor and watch the entire LAPD press conference from last night. It should be painfully obvious that there were two groups of protesters that were involved. One group would never need Nichols advice because they are not lawbreakers, and another group that was going to be violent no matter what. The police chief makes that clear enough for anyone to understand.
Remember, Nichols is begging the “unsatisfied.”
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:50 amThat doesn’t diminish his point, and I don’t spend 25 minutes of my life watching a YouTube to know that.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:54 am…I won’t spend…
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:55 amLike I’ve said to certain MAGAs, police your own.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:55 amSo the protesters need to police their own? Do you see that happening in your lifetime?
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 8:57 amI can’t imagine a situation where I would ever break bread with you, Paul. I don’t think a complementary productive conversation is possible. That said, I do not, and have never, pictured you to be someone that would need Nichols advice to prevent you from throwing concrete blocks at law-enforcement not matter how upset you may be. It is a distinction to be proud of. It should be offensive that Nichols has lumped all protesters into the same class of humans. But it does not offend because his ultimate point rings true to your ears; DO NOT LET TRUMP BE CORRECT ON ANYTHING.
Have a nice day, Paul. Hopefully you can play the press conference in the background and you gain something from it. Or not. Your call.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 9:05 amOn that agree, we’ve never had a productive conversation, and I doubt there will ever be. Some MAGAs are too beyond reason.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 9:25 amHow many law-enforcement officers does a demonstrator need to attack to qualify for Trump’s pardon program, anyway?
Last week it was reported that Trump is preparing to cut off ALL federal research grants for University of California and Cal State University.
In response, Newsom raised a tantalizing idea:
Dave (d8c071) — 6/9/2025 @ 9:47 amEveryday People Sly Stone (2043-2025).
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 12:42 pmI had the 45 for Family Affair but I liked the B side better.
Wow. Blamed for a riot he didn’t cause…
How timely, Paul.
BuDuh (c1ecb3) — 6/9/2025 @ 12:54 pmTimely how? I’m pretty sure I cast blame on the actual rioters for breaking the law. Indeed, this is why there’s no productive conversation coming from you. It isn’t about “DO NOT LET TRUMP BE CORRECT ON ANYTHING”, it’s that y’all are just too thin-skinned about your orange-tainted leader being criticized for his prolific wrongness. It just chaps your hide.
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 1:29 pmThis sort of calculation is based on things like where people collecting Social Security live, income levels and where corporate headquarters are.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/jan/31/adam-schiff/fact-checking-sen-adam-schiffs-claim-about-califor
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/9/2025 @ 1:49 pmHow many law-enforcement officers does one need to murder to qualify for Biden’s?
lloyd (d5930d) — 6/9/2025 @ 2:26 pmWould you say those “actual rioters” were part of the group that is “unsatisfied” without “confronting” law enforcement and the military?
BuDuh (c1ecb3) — 6/9/2025 @ 2:34 pmThis is funny. Under Newsom, California banned state travel to a whole list of states. Once he realized that might not look too good on a Presidential candidate’s resume, it got rescinded. He and his supporters aren’t concerned about a war on selected states. They’re only concerned they aren’t the ones doing the selecting.
lloyd (d5930d) — 6/9/2025 @ 2:46 pmTin soldiers and Trump is coming.
Last October, Trump said…
Paul Montagu (295799) — 6/9/2025 @ 3:38 pmRFK Jr purges CDC vaccine committee.
Kennedy Removes All C.D.C. Vaccine Panel Experts
The main conflict seems to be that they had professional knowledge of vaccines and medicine. I’m sure he will fill it with bloggers, gadflies and defrocked MDs.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/9/2025 @ 3:50 pmNot a pardon. Thanks for playing.
Dave (ccfc64) — 6/9/2025 @ 4:26 pmRIP singer, songwriter, performer, and band leader Sly Stone (82):
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/9/2025 @ 4:45 pmSounds like a hero.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/9/2025 @ 4:51 pmHealth and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is perhaps best known for his long history of peddling anti-vaccine misinformation, announced Monday that he’s removing all members of a committee tasked with advising the U.S. government on vaccines.
Colonel Klink (ret) (9dbb75) — 6/9/2025 @ 6:04 pmAs I posted @274
I’m sure that he’ll appoint fair-minded people like Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy replace them.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/9/2025 @ 11:10 pmPeople don’t notice, but in this provision, the National Guard (which is also a reserve for the army) is to become involved only after the regular army is not sufficient.
Sammy Finkelman (752b7c) — 6/10/2025 @ 10:31 amNew Vaccine Approval Board
Kevin M (10c195) — 6/11/2025 @ 4:05 pmMore:
It will be interesting to see just how fast the conflicts of the new members are exposed.
Kevin M (10c195) — 6/11/2025 @ 4:07 pmAfter this summer’s wave of Covid deaths, I hope the impeach the mofo, then indict him in 30 states for negligent homicide.
Kevin M (10c195) — 6/11/2025 @ 4:08 pmhttps://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1932925299110314481
Diversity means white boys not allowed.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/11/2025 @ 6:01 pmHere’s video of the 787 that crashed in India. Oy.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:26 amOnly one survivor, reportedly.
Left unmentioned in the WSJ editorial and the trade “framework” is Trump’s continuing flouting of statutory law and a Supreme Court ruling on shutting down TikTok if Xi refuses to comply with turning over his intrusive algorithms.
Good phrase, “economic scatter-gun”. A 55% tariff on our 3rd largest trading partner won’t fulfill Trump’s pledge to “end inflation”. The editors are right we’re long overdue to develop non-ChiCom sources for rare earth minerals, because Xi has the rare earth cards and Trump doesn’t, and the US-Ukraine minerals deal won’t be enough.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:21 amShorter: Trump folded (and cut Rubio off at the knees.)
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:43 amTrump has made Rubio practically irrelevant, Rip.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:51 amA Secretary of State is normally involved in all kinds of negotiations, including trade, but I can’t think of a single time where Rubio has actually been involved in any negotiations.
I’ve said that from the beginning. With all of Trump’s “special envoys”, the only thing Rubio has done sign expulsion orders.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/12/2025 @ 9:10 amRegarding RFK Jr.’s replacement picks so far, there’s one well qualified vaccinologist, three credentialed doctors with “no discernible expertise” in vaccines or immunology, and four mRNA “skeptics” including the infamous Robert Malone.
It’s going about as I expected.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 11:01 amWas Padilla showboating? Yes.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 11:46 amWas it inappropriate for Noem to forcibly remove a sitting US Senator from the room and then push him to the ground and put him in handcuffs? Yes.
Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace. In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!
Davethulhu (468890) — 6/12/2025 @ 11:53 am@291 Like Paul, media is already running interference for Padilla:
There was nothing that identified him as Padilla other than him just saying so. Good enough!
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:15 pmYep. This should fizzle the argument that the ICE agents need to be better identified before they can do their jobs.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:21 pmPaul struggling with conjunctions again or is he actually saying that Noem pushed Padilla to the ground?
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:24 pmPaul,
An unknown person is shouting questions at the Homeland Security secretary. (Noem says she didn’t know him and it’s possible the security guys don’t know who he is.) If it weren’t the Trump administration, I would be certain the ICE folks were within their rights. Which means I am inclined to think ICE was acting somewhat appropriately in pushing him out. (The later convict theatre in the hallway was not justified).
I think it is credible that Noem is an assassination target. So maybe it is not a good idea to try to get in her face at a press conference.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:43 pmThis, on the other hand, from Noem in that press conference is dangerous garbage:
That’s a straight up promise to overthrow the mayor and the governor.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:50 pmIt would’ve been better if she just said she was going to 86 burdensome leadership, right Appalled?
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:56 pmThe arrest is another example of the lack of competence in the Trump administration. What a bunch of clowns.
Time123 (a124de) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:58 pmSenators ok with everyone testing their security details:
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:59 pmLloyd,
What do you think Noem was saying and advocating?
In any event, we can agree she wasn’t sayin’ it with seashells.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:00 pmCompetence is taking out a security threat before someone gets shot. Something the Biden administration wasn’t competent enough to handle.
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:02 pmAppalled, she didn’t tweet it out to deranged followers either. Nobody was going to care what she had to say at a dumb briefing.
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:04 pmxAppalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 12:50 pm
t’s a bluff, and a vague one.
They just don’t want any disputing what they do. Any attempt tp do anything will be overturned by the courts – and quickly.
Sammy Finkelman (2dbe8e) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:06 pm> Noem says she didn’t know him
The Secretary of Homeland Security doesn’t recognize the US Senator from a state where she is working with *domestically deployed military* and the *activated National Guard*?
That sounds like she isn’t doing her job.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:12 pmShe has Padilla to thank that the quote does not end up leading the news.
She’s arguably saying the President called out the guard and the marines to remove the mayor and governor. That’s…something. It’s a something that worries me far more than Padilla, who I think brought some of this on himself.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:12 pmSammy,
I am puzzled on how a bluff like that would really help them.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:14 pm> https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1932925299110314481
NJRob, diversity in this case is an *excuse*.
Hogg — whom I generally *like* — has been using an official party position to take sides in intra-party disputes. A *lot* of people think this is an inappropriate use of a party position, because it creates a situation where the *party itself* is effectively taking sides in those disputes.
Hogg himself would hate it if people in his position were intervening to suppress the views of his side; he’s showing himself to be a hypocrite here.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:14 pmRFK Jr. is claiming that the old vaccine board doesn’t have enough credibility, so he’s appointing a new one (whom vaccine skeptics – he says people – will believe if they recommend taking a vaccine.)
Sammy Finkelman (2dbe8e) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:15 pm> There was nothing that identified him as Padilla other than him just saying so. Good enough!
I’m sorry, but if the SecDHS doesn’t recognize on site a US Senator from a state where she is dealing with an emergency, then it also means that she *hasn’t met with that US Senator at all*, which is a massive dereliction of duty.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:23 pmOh please. Noem might or might not know Padilla on sight. She’s not the one in charge of security. Expecting everyone in the security detail to know who he is on sight in a split second is just letting partisanship get in the way of common sense.
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:38 pmaphrael,
This administration does massive derelictions of duty on a daily basis. These are not smart people with razor sharp memories. I find it credible she did not recognize the Senator, particularly in a context where she was not expecting him.
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:41 pm313:
Plus, what Lloyd said…
Appalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:42 pm> Noem might or might not know Padilla on sight.
She should not be undertaking an operation of the scope and size of this one without having at least *met* with Senators from the state where the emergency is taking place.
> Expecting everyone in the security detail to know who he is on sight in a split second is just letting partisanship get in the way of common sense.
I would agree with that — *Noem* should have recognized him and intervened to prevent him from being assaulted and handcuffed.
aphrael (dbf41f) — 6/12/2025 @ 2:11 pm@314 Noem should’ve recognized him. Sure, I suppose so.
Padilla, being a Senator, should know how security details work. Definitely 100%.
But, you give Padilla the benefit of the doubt and Noem none. Seems unreasonable.
lloyd (5149fc) — 6/12/2025 @ 2:24 pm> We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert in this city
So she’s basically declaring that the will of the citizens of the city and state are irrelevant and that the federal government’s job is to remove the officials the citizens have chosen to represent and govern them.
If not repudiated, this is effectively a declaration of war on California.
aphrael (dbf41f) — 6/12/2025 @ 2:39 pmComplete clown show that’s left her dimwitted supporters struggling to make lamé justifications. I’d say it’s sad, but honestly I’m enjoying the show.
At least she was able to not kill any dogs.
Time123 (6c4bc6) — 6/12/2025 @ 2:41 pmEyewitness veteran reporter Bill Melugin is a dimwitted supporter struggling to make lamé justifications.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 2:54 pmThat, and lie to Congress about the children they’re killing.
(Warning: link displays disturbing images of children killed by Micro Marco and the Trump administration)
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:05 pmI really hope this is best attributed to stupidity and incompetence from someone unqualified for the job then an honest expression of her, and the governments intent.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:14 pmNice catch on my typo. Do you have a link to what he’s saying? Happy to modify my position if the facts warrant it.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:16 pmAppalled (1c7b05) — 6/12/2025 @ 1:14 pm
The bluff is aimed at stifling criticism, especially criticism that hits home. And it may be working.
What they keep on doing is threatening them with prosecution if they encourage illegal immigrants to stay in the United States – a provision of law that has never been interpreted the way they do (in theory – they include in encouraging to stay giving people correct legal advice as to how to avoid deportation. )
They may be trying to get lawyers to caution people, more than actually trying to go ahead with any charges.
Their real goal is probably to affect public opinion, or cause officials not to affect public opinion, among U/S. citizens..
They have repeatedly claimed that telling people, or spreading the word, that a warrant is needed for someone’s arrest is needed for there to be an obligation to let ICE agents into private property or a restricted area is against the law.
And maybe it could be that’s why you don’t have opponents publicizing that an alien who has a court hearing should request or try to get zoom hearing to avoid immediate arrest in case their case is dismissed.
All the criticism is tangential,
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:18 pmhttps://x.com/BillMelugin_
The facts and his eyewitness comments are in the first several tweets.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:24 pm>The bluff is aimed at stifling criticism, especially criticism that hits home. And it may be working.
Authoritarian societies don’t generally work by using force against everyone; they work by creating a climate of fear and suspicion where people will *voluntarily* choose to comply, and not to speak out, out of fear of the invisible threat.
aphrael (dbf41f) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:25 pmWhile Padilla did push his way towards the front of the room, he clearly identifies himself.
“Don’t you know who I AM!?”
Why was he pushing people out of his way? And I agree that neither the security folks nor Noem should be expected to instantly recognize the Senator. Did he have a security pin? If not, the security people had some red lines to enforce, and did so.
If it had been the other way around, and Padilla was giving a news conference, I suspect a pushy Ms Noem might have got restrained as well.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:26 pmNo
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:28 pmDid you know that Robert Malone calls himself the “inventor of mRNA”? I guess the Nobel committee wasn’t aware of that when they gave out the 2023 Medicine Nobel to Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman for mRNA vaccines.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:30 pmBuduh. I didn’t see anything in there that justified pushing him to the floor and cuffing him. Am I missing something? He described it as disruptive, not threatening.
Still seems incompetent to me.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:32 pmFrom my link above there is this statement from the FBI
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:33 pmLook at the entire video, I guess?
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:34 pmAt least we know what the outrage of the day is. Not RFK Jr’s anti-vax manslaughter attempts, but a Senator getting treated rudely for his boorish behavior.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:35 pmSo she’s basically declaring that the will of the citizens of the city and state are irrelevant
They ARE irrelevant to the enforcement of federal law, just like the good folks of Little Rock’s bigotry was irrelevant to Eisenhower’s enforcement of federal court orders.
Or are you arguing for nullification?
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:38 pmBuddha, I’m not arguing that he wasn’t disruptive, saying dragging a 50-year-old man from the room, pushing him to the floor and handcuffing him by the Secret Service is an over reaction.
Nothing in that video makes it look like there was reason to believe it was a security threat.
My objection is to the people who are trying to pretend that this is a justified security measure, unnecessary display of force.
Maybe we’re looking at it differently? But I was expecting to follow your link and see some evidence or substantiation for this being inappropriate security action and not an excessive action to enforce order.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:38 pmKevin, nothing in the statement I quoted can be fairly interpreted as being designed to accomplish, legitimate government purpose.
They sent the National Guard into Little Rock to enforce desegregation. The federal government did not say they were going to keep the Marines there until they had freed Arkansas from the tyranny of its elected officials.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:42 pmBeing thrown to the ground by the police and hand-cuffed is now “getting treated rudely”.
SMH.
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:43 pmHas the unfettered immigration of the last 30 years now reached a point where federal enforcement of the law needs to override local feelings? Is the duration of the maladministration such that continued maladministration is the only option?
Jim Crow went on a long, long time, until the federal government had had enough. Then it stopped. Wink-and-a-nod disregard of immigration laws needs to stop, too. You may not like the way Trump is doing it, but I don’t see anyone with a Plan B that’s not a patent fraud.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:44 pmTime123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:32 pm
The possibility that the Secret Service is following procedures, which may be too strict.
In any case they should express regret over the incident, even if they blame Senator Padilla. I would assume they could have assessed the situation correctly a bit sooner than they did.
But one of the co-hosts of the successor show to Rush Limbaugh was denied entrance to the White House because he did not have REAL ID, although he had just been in the CIA, (Tennessee, he explained, did not have a default of REAL ID for driver’s licenses, and to get an upgraded driver’s license would mean taking a full day off from work, because he is on the air from 11 am Central time for three hours. I suppose if he had realized it was necessary he could have taken his passport with him.)
He asked what would the star add?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:44 pmWas it unreasonable for the secret service to take specific note of the only person shouting questions when the Q&A period had not begun?
How much closer would you have let him get if you were in charge of security and did not recognize him?
Is shouting “I’m a senator” enough to release someone whom secret service’s split-second reaction was that of a threat?
I think you are taking the benefit of YouTube hindsight to persecute the LEOs that had to make a quick decision.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:45 pmBeing thrown to the ground by the police and hand-cuffed is now “getting treated rudely”.
It is. And ONLY because he’s a Senator it went no further. If it had been you or me, it would have been an arrest, a night or three in jail and “tell it to the judge.”
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:46 pmContext matters as well. Earlier this week Trump threatened to arrest the governor for the crime of running for office.
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:47 pmKevin, I would have no objection if no one has said that federal law-enforcement officials backed by appropriate resources, and we can agree to disagree on if the Marine Corps is an appropriate resource in this instance, Would be in place until order had been restored and in lawful immigration enforcement activities were able to proceed peacefully.
Or anything to that effect. But that’s not what she said, what she said went far beyond that. Which again I hope can be attributed to incompetence on her part. I hope the plane reading of her words is not an accurate way to understand her intent. Because the plain reading is that they’re going to use these resources to remove lawfully, elected leaders, they disagree with.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:48 pmBuduh, Once they physically dragged him from the room, what was the justification for shoving him to the floor and handcuffing him?
It looks like he was being loud and disruptive. It doesn’t look to me like he was being threatening.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:51 pm@339
One we didn’t have a right to be there he did.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:53 pmTwo, there have been a lot of examples in the last four years of people being disruptive at various public events. Most of them did not get dragged outside and handcuffed. Typically, there’s a lot more effort made to diffuse the situation before that happens. And there are very good reasons for that.
I think you are taking the benefit of YouTube hindsight to persecute the LEOs that had to make a quick decision.
TBF, some default to blaming the cops.
1. A man yells questions at a high government official.
2. He pushes past security to get close to her.
3. He claims to be a senator. You don’t recognize him.
You are Noem’s assigned security. Do you stop him or let him proceed?
If it was not Noem, but Governor Newsom, and the pushy Senator was Tom Cotton (who you also don’t recognize) would you act differently?
———-
Note that Noem probably doesn’t get to pick sycophants for her security. They’re just assigned.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:54 pmThe federal government did not say they were going to keep the Marines there until they had freed Arkansas from the tyranny of its elected officials.
Not this time. They did in 1868.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:54 pmSearch for weapons and dangerous items. Unfortunately in this situation, Padilla chose to push back against law enforcement. That is an escalation that he may have not been aware of, but their training makes their reaction almost rote. And this is for a reason. When they decide to give unnecessary slack, they get killed.
Where is Dustin? He can tell you what you need to know.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:58 pmKevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 3:44 pm
That’s politically impossible. They can’t even legalize the “Dreamers”
BY fraud I suppose you mean that it will purport to do something it will not.
What Trump is doing is also a fraud.
And now he says that he wants wink and nod to continue. He came out on favor of it today:
We see here Trump wants wink and nod to continue in agriculture and the hotel industry and implying it is only criminals who should be deported and then giving as a reason that if others are deported, criminals will try to take those jobs (!?)
Except that he’s lying. What he’s really doing is random acts of cruelty. Trump is trying to be on all sides of this issue
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-hotels-immigration.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:00 pmwe can agree to disagree on if the Marine Corps is an appropriate resource in this instance
I actually do not think it was wise, in any event. I don’t think the NG was smart either. Both seem mostly a political stunt. I don’t have a dog in the “appropriateness” contest as I see nothing but embarrassment on all sides there.
So maybe we agree.
I’ve said that I would have sent the FBI in to investigate obstruction and/or conspiracy charges. There is some reason to believe that the protests were organized by people in or around city government, with the intent of obstructing ICE.
I *might* have asked the mayor and governor if they were capable of protecting ICE agents from mobs, so they could continue their duties, and held them too it. Only if they couldn’t would the other shoe have dropped. And even then I would have used federal LEOs, not soldiers.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:02 pmWhat was their distance to the protectee?
What was their level of resistance?
Time, we are not going to ever agree on this one. I really don’t think you are putting any effort into what you are arguing. I could be wrong but I just don’t time to enter a loop.
If you are interested in a different perspective please google the 21 foot rule and some of the controversy around it.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:06 pmNacht und Nebel:
The secret police descending on Small Town, U.S.A.
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:08 pmThe secret SWAT team was there to arrest the guy picking weeds in front of their office.
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:12 pmAbsurd, wrong and stupid.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:21 pmSeems like there are a huge number of differences between that and this. More then enough to render the comparison silly.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:22 pmBuduh, those are decent points. I think I’ll withdraw some of my previous statements until I know more about the facts and relevant policies.
The outcome still seems unjustified by the situation but I’m less confident about that then I was.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:24 pmMore:
“For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law.”
Dave (d46b36) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:25 pmSammy, I heartedly encourage Senators and Congressfolk to come together and pass a general immigration reform:
My preferences.
1. People who were brought to the US illegally as small children years ago should not be deported.
2. People who unlawfully entered the US voluntarily less than 10 years ago shall be deported. 2a. This residence period is tolled while deportation orders are being appealed, or asylum is being claimed.
3. People who unlawfully entered the US voluntarily more than 10 years ago may be deported unless they can demonstrate self-support, stability of residence, payment of all taxes, lack of criminality and support from their community. They cannot ever become US citizens.
4. Countries that will not accept repatriated citizens are barred from importing anything into the US, and their citizens may not visit.
5. Unless declared immediately at a legal port of entry, no asylum request will be honored. This is retroactive.
6. People may be admitted as refugees from countries identified by the President. Such refugee declarations last one year and may be extended, one year at a time. At such time the refugee declaration expires, all persons admitted shall be returned to their country of origin. Failure to appear for this constitutes illegal entry and invalidates any residence document.
But I don’t think Congress is capable of doing anything. The zealots controlling each party will defeat any legislator who talks to the other side, creating a government that flip-flops between extreme positions. It’s a race to see if this dynamic can be broken before we collapse into Empire.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:25 pmHe announced who he was, right after hands were put on him. Being taken out of the room is one thing, but forced to the ground and handcuffed was over the top.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:25 pm@348, I wish you were in the administration. Seems like you have better judgment.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:25 pm“For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law.”
Sadly, this is the motto of both parties.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:26 pm“Facts” clearly not in evidence.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:27 pmGot any cop friends?
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:28 pmRFK Jr., who is a lawyer with no medical training and who jumps from one conspiracy theory to the next, doesn’t have the credility to judge that’s board’s credibility.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:29 pmSeems like there are a huge number of differences between that and this. More then enough to render the comparison silly.
Oh, there are big differences, but if the LA Times reports are accurate, there is quite a bit of obstruction evident in city government, if not the state. The use of troops was not the best way to combat this, and probably lets the city’s malfeasance fly beneath the radar.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:30 pmRFK Jr., who is a lawyer with no medical training and who jumps from one conspiracy theory to the next, doesn’t have the credibility to judge that’s board’s credibility.
He doesn’t have credibility period. He is anti-knowledge.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:33 pm“Facts” clearly not in evidence.
How many of the LA Times pieces that I’ve linked have you read?
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:34 pmI wish you were in the administration. Seems like you have better judgment.
tbf, so does my cat.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:35 pmIt does strike me as curious that a senator, that is so concerned about the Trump-Nazi takeover of his state, still has time to participate in a baseball game the night before his “important” questioning.
Maybe he could have skipped the novelty stuff and got with Noem the day before through normal channels?
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:35 pmHe announced who he was. All they had to do was pause a few seconds and check his ID.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:39 pmNot this time. They did in 1868.
Now that I go back a read the context, the differences between the Arkansas citizenry of 1957 and 1868 are not that great. If anything, 1868 was less hostile to blacks, given black suffrage at the time. Jim Crow didn’t start up until at least a decade later.
Kevin M (da15f5) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:40 pmYou could have just said “no, I don’t have any cop friends.”
Secret Service detailed to Homeland Security is now supposed to know all the senator’s faces? Absolutely absurd.
Shouting a name ≠ positive identification
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:43 pmBuddha, I don’t know anything about this guy specifically, but I have to assume that his intention was either to make a scene or he’s an idiot.
I assume he wanted a scene, probably not this one more a scene of him arguing with DHS.
But again, I’ve been jumping to conclusions a lot on this one so maybe I need to hold off on my condemnation until I have more facts.
Time123 (414340) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:46 pmBTW, Ms. Noem not only doesn’t understand the concept of habeas corpus, she also doesn’t understand how representative government works, because she just threatened a fascist takeover of state and city government.
Padilla interrupted Ms. Noem right after that.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:48 pmYou don’t know if it was Secret Service or not. The video clearly shows Padilla being taken down and cuffed by FBI. At least three were wearing jackets with “FBI” labels.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:50 pmI know it was secret service because I am following the press releases, Paul.
Your “experts” aren’t keeping you apprised again.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:53 pmAhhh. I better make a distinction! Secret Service pushed Padilla out of the room first. The fbi assisted when Padilla resisted.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:55 pmSo, BuDuh, are you telling me to not believe my lying eyes? I saw it on video, and it was FBI who took him down and cuffed him.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:55 pmAh, so forcing a guy to the ground and putting cuffs on him is “assisted”. Classic.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:56 pmYou already told me you don’t have cop friends.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 4:57 pmWell, that’s a lie.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 5:11 pmNone of which I recall alleged “that the protests were organized by people in or around city government, with the intent of obstructing ICE.” No names, and no descriptions of their activities organizing the protests.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/12/2025 @ 5:13 pmGiven how left-leaning the Times is, why would they give away the game?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/12/2025 @ 5:18 pmGreat! Let me know how they break down the interaction with Padilla from start to finish.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 5:26 pmUS District Court, Northern District of California:
* notwithstanding the President’s claim otherwise, the language governing federalizing of the national guard is that the President can federalize the national guard whenever one of three conditions is met, NOT whenever the President says one of the conditions are met, and therefore the question of “are these condition met” is subject to judicial review.
* the conditions which allow federalizing the national guard are (a) the US is invaded or in danger of invasion by a foreing nation; (b) there is rebellion or danger of rebellion against the authority of the government of the US; (c) the President is unable to execute the laws of the US with regular forces.
* there is no rebellion ongoing, or danger of such.
** for something to be a rebellion, it must be armed, organized, open and avowed, and directed against the government as a whole; the protests in Los Angeles are not a rebellion. *Some people* are being violent, but even if you accept that using makeshift weapons means the people are armed, there is no evidence that there is open or avowed action directed against the government as a whole, or even that there is *organized* (as opposed to sporadic) violence.
** furthermore, courts have repeatedly said that peaceful protest does not lose its protection merely because some isolated invididuals act violently, so the presence of sporadic disorganized violence cannot transmute a protest into a rebellion
* the President is not unable to execute the laws with regular forces. Yes, there are *obstacles*, and yes, there is *risk*, but neither of those constitute *inability*
* the memo asserting control of the CA guard does not claim the existence of an invasion, so an invasion cannot be the basis for the federalization of the guard
* furthermore, even if the statute allowed federalization under these circumstances, there is a procedural requirement that orders issued under the statute be transmitted *through the Governor*, which did not happen here. Yes, the feds tried to get around thus by attaching the label “THROUGH: THE GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA”, but the order was never even sent to the Governor, so the claim that the order went *through* him strains credibility. Nor can the feds get around this by sending the order to California’s adjutant general, because even though that guy has the job of issuing orders in the name of the Governor, the statute requires the orders to go through the Governor, so trying to go through him violates the statute.
* Because the court has already concluded that the federalization of the national guard violates statutory authority in this situation, it will not consider whether the deployment violates posse comitatus at this time
* California also argues that the federalization and deployment interferes with the state’s exercise of its police power and is therefore a violation of the tenth amendment; California is likely to succeed on that claim.
The Trump administration is enjoined from deploying members of the CA National Guard in LA, andis directed to return control of the CA National Guard to Governor Newsom. The order is stayed until noon tomorrow, and California is ordered to post a bond.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.450934/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.64.0.pdf
Procedurally this was a temporary restraining order, the hearing on a preliminary injunction will be next Friday.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 6:19 pmGreat news!
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 6:51 pmNotice of appeal filed. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.450934/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.65.0_3.pdf
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:00 pmIt would be interesting to know if Netanyahu concluded that Trump’s negotiations with the Iranian terrorist regime were going nowhere, or if he didn’t give a rip how they were going. Either way, it appears that Trump didn’t approve of Netanyahu’s airstrikes.
The US did know enough about Netanyahu’s pending attack to alert embassies in Iraq and elsewhere, and it looks like Israel’s attacks were effective.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:06 pmAG could be right, which explains why Bibi didn’t wait until Witkoff f–ked it up.
If it’s true that uranium enrichment and bomb-making is 800 meters below ground, that could be a major challenge for the Israelis.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:17 pmGee, I wonder what that $1.3billion was used for.
lloyd (cc93ce) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:24 pmAnother senior Iranian leader is dead.
This is pretty major news, the extent of Israel’s airstrikes top leaders and scientists.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:30 pmPatterico…
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 7:42 pmI guess they should lose their qualified immunity.
Thanks for the update. F’ those stormtroopers.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:16 pmWar with Iran. War monger and chicken hawk mark levine must be upset he couldn’t get trump to have America do Israel’s fighting for them.
asset (d14891) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:22 pmIran and its allies china and putin vs Israel and trump. Should be a good match up. Spanish civil war II? Glad I gassed up today.
asset (d14891) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:32 pmIsrael doing a job what America won’t do.
Rip Murdock (35853c) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:39 pmI expect the Supreme Court will overrule on an emergency appeal and slap Breyer down.
Rip Murdock (35853c) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:43 pm> I expect the Supreme Court will overrule on an emergency appeal and slap Breyer down.
Have you read the opinion?
If the facts are as described, then Trump’s failure to route the orders through Newsom is absolutely fatal and it should be upheld.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 8:49 pmWe’ll see what the appeals court says. District court judges ruling against the Trump administration have been on a losing streak lately when it comes to emergency appeals. And the current SC is unlikely to diminish a President’s emergency authority over what appears to be a contradictory legislative passage.. The requirement to go through a state’s governor makes very little sense.
Rip Murdock (35853c) — 6/12/2025 @ 9:04 pmIn case I wasn’t clear enough, Israel and Iran are in a full-blown hot war.
Paul Montagu (f2c80c) — 6/12/2025 @ 9:17 pmHundreds of strikes on Iranian targets tonite.
Kevin M, good god man, this reality exists, like all around you..
You don’t have to always flipflop on every single thing these MAGAts do. It’s evil, but what if a hypothetical different person in a hypothetical situation would hypothetically react to a similar thing.
How about address the frickin thing that happened in this reality. In a different reality a different/same thing happened, hfc, we don’t currently have access to the multiverse.
Colonel Klink (ret) (9dbb75) — 6/12/2025 @ 9:57 pmStay pending appeal, https://calmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/3473ec7c-53f6-40b6-b582-0deab5405e3b.pdf
This feels like normal process.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 9:59 pmThere’s no way the Supreme Court will allow lower courts to substitute their judgment for that of the president over what is needed to enforce laws. As we’ve seen over the past few months, the SC has overturned district court decisions (on emergency appeals) that have prevented the Trump administration from doing what it wants.
Rip Murdock (35853c) — 6/12/2025 @ 10:17 pm> There’s no way the Supreme Court will allow lower courts to substitute their judgment for that of the president over what is needed to enforce laws.
There’s also no way the Supreme Court is going to allow the President to unilaterally declare a rebellion when one isn’t happening, without some level of judicial review of that declaration.
This is literally the line between remaining a Republic and being a dictatorship. If the Supreme Court doesn’t draw the line here, then *nothing* matters.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 10:19 pm> I guess they should lose their qualified immunity.
Doesn’t matter. Trump will just pardon them.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 10:20 pmMy prediction is a 7-2 or 6-3 decision agreeing with the District Court, with Thomas, Alito, and *maybe* Kavanaugh, as the holdouts.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 11:08 pmI think the most apt analogy here is _Youngstown Sheet & Tube v Sawyer_. And note the Supreme Court ended up curtailing Presidential power in that case.
aphrael (397f3a) — 6/12/2025 @ 11:18 pmIsrael’s preparations were “years in the making”:
Israel deployed a secret drone base outside Tehran to neutralize Iran’s long-range missiles, had their own surface-to-surface missiles and commando teams in place to take out Iran’s air defenses:
Dave (640b5e) — 6/13/2025 @ 2:11 amWhat a craven, pathetic statement from Micro Marco:
Not even the most anodyne hint of support for our ally, Israel.
Dave (640b5e) — 6/13/2025 @ 2:26 amThis, from the guy who calls our soldiers, LEOs and ICE “gestapo.”
Aren’t you upset Mossad agents didn’t identify themselves?
lloyd (5b86df) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:22 amTaco with honor.
You got the answer to your question at 338, lloyd:
A 747 via Qatar, $1.5 billion to the Kushners via the UAE, LIV tournaments that Trump resorts via Saudi Arabia, who knows how much Trump meme coin from what other channels ….
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:30 am*
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:31 amthatat Trump resorts*Anyway.
There’s no way we will be kept out of this.
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:32 amNacho — for Nevertrump , or nk.
I expect some furious basic training behind keyboards to ramp up.
Maybe Dave can set up a wargame to figure out how many cardboard soldiers go KIA with a die roll.
lloyd (5b86df) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:41 amhttps://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2025/06/13/trump-to-iran-feel-like-making-a-deal-now-n3803754
…
Trump truthed:
Oh… the Trump administration absolutely gave the go ahead and gave operational support to this attack.
Ya’ll might wanna wait a few more days when more facts are revealed before rubbing one out in your hatred of this administration.
whembly (9f5a46) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:44 amFunny thing. Padilla was escorted to Noem’s presser by FBI before FBI (presumably not the same FBI personnel) took him down.
Seems like Noem’s rhetoric of a fascist takeover could stir a reaction.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:44 amAnd it took three of them.
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:49 amNow they have, perhaps, a second chance!
That 747 needs remodeling and Trump resorts always have vacancies.
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:51 amAnd if the Trump resorts lose their liquor licenses because of Trump’s felony convictions, that should not bother Muslims.
nk (433ef4) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:04 am@415 Paul, are you saying Padilla doesn’t know how security details work at that level of government? Are you calling him stupid?
lloyd (5b86df) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:08 amAbsurd and unserious.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:24 amIn my heart of hearts I know you are disgusted by Padilla telling you to not believe your lying eyes, Paul.
Exactly where was he when he “spoke up?” The back of the room? For some reason he skips how he closed distance to the protectee to be at the front of the room.
What was his exact wording when he “introduced” himself?
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:25 amThe tape starts as him approaching Noem. You don’t know what transpired right before that.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:40 amThe full press conference is available. So there is that if you want to go beyond the “tape.”
But it does appear that you agree that Padilla does indeed approach Noem. Why isn’t that in his statement?
I think you know why.
This is how propaganda is built Paul. Please don’t be a part of it. Also look how he defended himself with the “I didn’t barge into the room” statement. The concern was that he barged to the front of the room, while already in the room. Don’t you want a little bit of honesty from Padilla? Just a little? You have been number one at pointing out logical fallacies here. Please don’t be blind to those in Padilla’s statement. Read it as if Trump wrote it, you won’t be pleased with the deception. I have faith in you, Paul.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/13/2025 @ 7:52 amAlso, I like Paul’s “Noem’s rhetoric made him do it” BS. Like we heard after the softball shooting.
lloyd (66da3f) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:03 amGiven how left-leaning the Times is, why would they give away the game?
That changed when the owner decided to move the paper to the center. They are actually a much better paper now, although they still have some of the old crew. They didn’t replace the nutjob (although some quit) reporters, they added sane ones.
The article about the city council meeting where city officials, such as the council president, were demanding that the LAPD stop protecting the ICE nazis, and “leak” raid locations to the media in advance was pretty instructive of their desire to obstruct.
Kevin M (691150) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:31 amThat was Padilla’s comment, not mine.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:35 amUnserious.
That’s funny, your scolding about “propaganda”.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:36 amI will pray for you, Paul.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:37 amhttps://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1933488464177025130?
Paul and Klink hardest hit.
NJRob (096212) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:41 amMay as well post that to the new thread, NJ. It will sting a lot longer.
BuDuh (765c98) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:43 amIf I thought that Noem had Padilla dragged out simply because he was there and she didn’t want his input, I’d say so. As would the Senate in a bipartisan manner.
But the truth is that his behavior was obnoxious and threatening, indistinguishable from some potentially armed whackjob. If you or I had done that, we would not only have been thrown to the ground and handcuffed, but we’d be in the slammer still.
The whole “don’t you know who I am” defense is ludicrous from a security point of view. When his credentials WERE established, they released him, and he was allowed to speak to Noem directly.
This is a non-story, and mostly an embarrassment for Padilla, used as propaganda in a war that has so little facts already.
Kevin M (691150) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:44 amThis was your comment, Paul:
Seems like Noem’s rhetoric of a fascist takeover could stir a reaction.
lloyd (5b86df) — 6/13/2025 @ 8:58 amPaul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 6:44 am
@415
LOL You can find these polos on ebay.
lloyd (5b86df) — 6/13/2025 @ 9:06 am#431
1. I don’t think security was wrong in muscling the Senator out of the news conference. (Handcuff theatre, on the other hand, was very unnecessary).
2. You handcuff a senator — it is not a non-story. Sorry.
3. We assume only the ruling party gets to set a narrative. The opposition is establishing a narrative too. The current administration’s propensity for arresting people and sending them terrible places and arresting politicians for calling immigration policies into question has become a story and establishes a context.
4. The Democrats until just this week have been struggling to get their message out. Guess what, this bit of viral theatre got their message out. The story of an out of control President looking to do the full fascist just got advanced down the road a little farther.
Padilla’s story on what happened is here:
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/sen-alex-padilla-tells-msnbc-fbi-escorted-him-to-trump-dhs-presser-they-claim-he-crashed/
Since I think it’s pretty clear he was looking to go viral, he bears some responsibility for what happened. He may not care.
Appalled (c713a9) — 6/13/2025 @ 9:07 amIndeed, it was. I note your non-reaction and silence toward Noem’s fascist commentary.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 10:06 amI’m glad it turned out that way, and that Trump didn’t spill the beans and lose Israel’s element of surprise.
Paul Montagu (c9cecf) — 6/13/2025 @ 10:08 am