Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
A federal appeals court has paused Wednesday night’s ruling from the Court of International Trade that blocked President Donald Trump’s tariffs.
The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit’s ruling restores Trump’s ability to levy tariffs using the emergency powers he declared earlier this year. The appeals court also ordered that both sides provide written arguments on the question of the blocking of Trump’s tariffs, to be filed by early next month.
Second news item
This is precisely what I would expect from RFK Jr.:
Certain studies within the Trump administration’s “Make America Healthy Again” report do not exist as cited, ABC News has confirmed.
Dr. Katherine Keyes, a researcher cited in the report as a first author of a paper on rates of depression and anxiety among teens during the pandemic, confirmed to ABC News that she did not write a paper cited in the report that the White House’s Make America Healthy Again Commission headed by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. unveiled last week.
. . .
At least two research journals — the American Academy of Pediatrics and the JAMA Pediatrics, one of the journals of the American Medical Association — have also confirmed to ABC News that they were not able to find certain papers within the MAHA report in their publications despite being cited as such.
Whote House spokesperson Karoline Leavett referred to this as a “formatting” issue.
Note:
All this comes as Kennedy has said he plans to direct federal researchers to stop publishing their work in independent, peer-reviewed journals and instead called on the National Institutes of Health to develop its own research journals.
Third news item
President Donald Trump has tapped Paul Ingrassia to head up the Office of Special Counsel.
If confirmed by the Senate, Ingrassia, currently the White House Liaison to the Department of Homeland Security, will lead the independent agency tasked with policing political corruption and abuse of government employees.
Per Trump:
Ingrassia is a “highly respected attorney, writer, and Constitutional Scholar” who has done a “tremendous” job in his DHS liaison role, Trump said in a Truth Social post Thursday announcing the pick.
Trump just nominated Paul Ingrassia to run the Office of Special Counsel. Ingrassia is a former far-right podcast host and election denier who once shared an article calling for “martial law” to keep Donald Trump in office following his loss in the 2020 election. He's 29. pic.twitter.com/breTlh7Rn5
— Andy Kaczynski (@KFILE) May 29, 2025
AS PART OF a sweeping reorganization of the State Department, the Trump administration is creating an Office of Remigration. Remigration is an immigration policy embraced by extremists that calls for the removal of all migrants—including “non-assimilated” citizens—with the goal of creating white ethnostates in Western countries.
The details of the plan are contained in a 136-page notification document sent by the State Department to six Congressional commitees—including the House Foreign Affairs and Appropriations Committees and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—for approval by July 1, according to a copy reviewed by WIRED.
Fourth news item
The Trump administration has set aggressive new goals in its anti-immigration agenda, demanding that federal agents arrest 3,000 people a day – or more than a million in a year.
The new target, tripling arrest figures from earlier this year, was delivered to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) leaders by Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, and Kristi Noem, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secretary, in a strained meeting last week.
The latest phase of the crackdown includes new tactics, such as mandating federal law enforcement agents outside Ice to assist in arrests and transports, more deputizing of compliant state and local law enforcement agencies, and arresting people at locations that were once protected, like courthouses.
. . .
Helter-skelter action has led to citizens caught up in the dragnet, Ice skirting due process – to the chagrin of the supreme court and lower courts – over-crowding in detention centers, arrests based on ideology and officials deporting people to third countries.
“The sweeping Ice raids and arrests are hitting families, longtime residents, children and communities in a way never seen before,” said Jesse Franzblau, the associate director of policy for the National Immigrant Justice Center.
Fifth news item
Supreme Court rules Trump can suspend parole program for immigrants:
The Supreme Court on Friday allowed President Donald Trump’s administration to suspend a Biden-era parole program that allowed a half million immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela to temporarily live and work in the United States.
It was the second time this month that the high court sided with Trump’s efforts to revoke temporary legal status for immigrants. The Supreme Court previously cleared the way for the administration to revoke another temporary program that provided work permits to hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans.
. . .the order will allow the administration to expedite deportations for those who had previously benefited from the program
Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson dissented from the decision.
Is this a bad sign for the Ukrainian refugees who are here in the U.S.? I hope not.
Have a good weekend.
—Dana
Hello.
Dana (33b3a2) — 5/30/2025 @ 8:09 amSecond news item typo:
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 8:38 amGot it. Thx, Rip.
Dana (43fb16) — 5/30/2025 @ 8:43 amWhile it is manifestly cruel to send migrants back into dangerous places, I’m not so sure any of the listed countries (with the exception of Haiti) are collapsing societies. They have governments we disagree with, but that is all.
We once welcomed refugees from totalitarian regimes, but obviously the Trump Administration disagrees, and they are entitled to their policy choices.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:06 amIt isn’t so much that this was said in an article — as where the article was published:
Well, yes.
That grudging admission was published in the April 21st New Yorker.
(The article, “The Pluralism Pivot”, by Emma Green, describes how DEI is losing out to “Pluralism”, even on college campuses. The Pluralism she describes sounds much like the liberalism of the 1960’s and 1970’s.)
Jim Miller (49dfc5) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:31 amAbout damned time!
whembly (09d73c) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:42 amTrump definitely needs less oversight, and with his track record of
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:54 amFox News retreadsexceptionally-qualified nominees to date, less vetting.@8
Trump’s politically accountable.
ABA is not.
ABA is a leftist partisan organization and has been for ever 20 years.
whembly (09d73c) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:06 amThat’s the role of congress using the power of the purse.
Joe (584b3d) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:33 amNow the fact that no one has done that in a LOOOOOONG time is a separate argument.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyVc68vRWJI&pp=ygUSYmlkZW4gc3BlZWNoIHRvZGF5
BuDuh (c85533) — 5/30/2025 @ 11:09 amI didn’t watch the whole speech, but during the part I did, Biden was perfectly coherent.
Do you consider it scandalous that he didn’t include a deranged ALL CAPS wall of text rant, demonizing half the country?
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 11:48 amNot that many here will care, but the two illegals arrested in the killing of Ava Moore were catch and release specials by the Biden administration:
Again, good job Biden supporters.
lloyd (29e0a8) — 5/30/2025 @ 12:21 pmMeh. The ABA can still evaluate judicial nominations from the outside and publicize their findings.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 12:28 pmIf you’re keeping track, Dave would rather have a Souter and Sotomayor than a Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
lloyd (29e0a8) — 5/30/2025 @ 12:29 pmRIP actress Loretta Swit (87).
Sweet dreams, Hot Lips.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 12:32 pm👄
RIP Bernard Kerik.
Also the last surviving grandson (born 1929) of President John Tyler (1790-1862)
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/us/politics/harrison-ruffin-tyler-dead.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:05 pmThe nation’s Shopkeeper-in-chief has issued new orders to the American auto industry:
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:05 pmNot from me.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:06 pmLike his mentor Rudy Giuliani, his was a long fall from grace.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:12 pmhttps://www.wired.com/story/google-ai-overviews-says-its-still-2024
That’s obvious. It’s the first major country west of the International Dateline and it becomes 2025 there earliest
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:18 pmBernard Kerik had problems but not with his major job.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:19 pmThe lead design time on most new car models is more like three years. Has been for decades.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:23 pmJoe Biden last took a PSA test in 2014. Very few reports mention the best approach.
Take a PSA test, but almost regardless of the result do nothing. That’s a problem for medical protocol because they almost have a principle that if the results of the test won’t make a difference then don’t do it. But a better approach is to take a second test (weeks if extremely high) or a year later, and see if it is getting higher. Maybe wait fir a third test.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:28 pmYou continue to demonstrate your ignorance.
They were not released due to any leniency, but because all the detention facilities were full thanks to the backlog of millions of others also arrested and awaiting their trials.
Republicans – acting at Trump’s command – blocked a bipartisan bill to hire more judges and add more detention capacity.
Dave (bca0f4) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:35 pmThey don’t take American citizens, if they can help it, but they do take harmless and well-liked individuals. And they take them by appointments.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/us/missouri-immigrant-trump.html
They should have realized they were lying, but the political opposition didn’t want to argue. And gang members didn’t come here in droves, but mostly as individuals I think. The gangs were reconstituted in the United States.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:35 pmLiar.
Dave (48fbda) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:36 pmhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqjjyJscU0
Happy ending?
BuDuh (e64de6) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:38 pmDave (bca0f4) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:35 pm
But who decided just whom to release and whom to detains? Not Biden or any political appointees. It was people who belonged to ICE. Higher level people were probably afraid to interfere because then they’d be letting people into the United States illegally. Better for it to be random (or possibly based on using paid for inside information..)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:40 pmThe remembrances I have posted have never mentioned the causes of their deaths, which was my complaint about celebrity announcements about their health.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:47 pm“I’ve got a Secret” from 1956: (sounds slightly speeded up)
https://www.google.com/search?q=ive+got+asecret+lincoln+assassination&sca_esv=bf7d34be7343ee42&source=hp&ei=CBg6aN23NeL_ptQPmILAsAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaDomGPnQ1Q09q4U6jxSfeVWRtmHBpib0&ved=0ahUKEwjd2_WJh8yNAxXiv4kEHRgBEMYQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=ive+got+asecret+lincoln+assassination&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c94794c2,vid:UtF4sYya-0c,st:0
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:50 pmA recording of an older person, recorded in 1947 (a sort report about the aftermath the next day)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADst939VCA
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:58 pmThe stated policy was to detain people known to have criminal records and/or believed to be violent.
I doubt that reckless Jet-Ski piloting was one of the risk factors considered.
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 1:59 pmNot quite the best possible defense
I can see the campaign ads being cut right now……..Ernst will be up for reelection next year.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:06 pmThis is why Medicaid should not be a federal program. Each state should be allowed to provide, but not be required to, health care to its citizens. States could then be as generous or parsimonious as they want.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:11 pmBecause who cares if Americans die, as long as they’re in a different state?
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:25 pmYou can say the same thing about Giuliani.
Interesting factoid: just last month Kerik registered as a foreign agent for Qatar.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:37 pmIt’s called federalism.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:38 pmR.I.P. Loretta Swit 😭
Icy (153665) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:41 pmNot the best possible defense.
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:46 pmNot *quite* …
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 2:47 pmKerik was a hero in NYC, and with Giuliani, helped save the city. Compare NYC in 1998 to now.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 5/30/2025 @ 4:00 pmNeverTrump articulates the plan.
BuDuh (c85533) — 5/30/2025 @ 4:31 pmIt’s the constitutional defense that states should make their own decisions about their citizens.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 4:45 pmIf citizens of Alabama, for example, don’t like the benefits Alabama provides, they can “vote with their feet” and move to a more generous state.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 4:48 pmI don’t remember reading that anywhere in the constitution. I do recall that the very first sentence of the document charges the federal government with promoting the general welfare of the people of the United States of America, though.
Considering we’re talking about recipients of aid for the poorest people at the bottom of the economic ladder, assuming that they have the means to move to a different state during a family medical crisis seems rather unrealistic.
Federalism is a useful idea, but it should serve us, not the other way around.
Dave (d64b7b) — 5/30/2025 @ 5:19 pmDave, you’re just lying.
That toothless border bill was in 2024. These clowns were caught and released in 2023. But, you knew that and lied anyway.
And, it’s funny how under Trump the number of encounters has gone down precipitously in just a few months without the aid of that bill, or any bill. You don’t have an explanation for that other than to lie.
lloyd (797fd3) — 5/30/2025 @ 5:40 pmLOL, so you like Trump’s picks over ones by Bush and Obama. Which means you lied @8? Which is it?
lloyd (797fd3) — 5/30/2025 @ 5:43 pmThe rich get tax cuts, the poor get Medicaid cuts.
Promises made, promises kept.
nk (264829) — 5/30/2025 @ 5:56 pmThe 10th Amendment.
Health care for the poor is not a power delegated to the federal government.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 6:21 pmSee also here.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 6:25 pmName one Article I power which does not benefit from, if not outright require, a healthy population.
nk (264829) — 5/30/2025 @ 6:51 pmWe are a Republic, not a Confederation. That was put to rest in 1865.
nk (264829) — 5/30/2025 @ 6:52 pmActually that was settled in 1789.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 6:59 pm@26
The proper response is immediate deportation then.
The “bipartisan bill” was a load of rubbish, which sought to encourage even more illegal migration.
Trump’s being president, now, and enforcing the damn border…puts that absolute lie that this bill was even a good thing.
whembly (09d73c) — 5/30/2025 @ 7:02 pmNot to play your game, but transferring the responsibility to the states would allow them to create their own innovative healthcare programs for their poor. It just doesn’t need to be a one size fits all national system like Medicaid.
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 7:03 pm@27
LOL.
Missourian here…I want illegal aliens, even moms, deported.
whembly (09d73c) — 5/30/2025 @ 7:03 pmTrump is also none to thrilled about the Federalist Society either:
Rip Murdock (d1aa5b) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:19 pmSen. ernst defending cutting medicade cuts to extend tax breaks for the rich. “We are all going to die anyway!”
asset (f2fcc5) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:24 pmCorporate news media latest defense of corporate establishment donor class democrats. Mia culpa! Republicans and fox news were right we were wrong on biden so elected democrats can just say we are looking forward not back, besides Bernie Sanders and his economic populism threaten our donors tax cuts. Republicans and faux news believe in tax cuts for the rich!
asset (f2fcc5) — 5/30/2025 @ 9:32 pmThe general Welfare of the United States (which is explicitly mentioned twice) surely encompasses it.
To deny that this is today a settled legal question seems rather quixotic.
Dave (a8f32e) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:20 pmTrump and immigration
I don’t know which is worse: Trump’s anti-immigrant hysteria or Congress’ utter fecklessness in reforming immigration law. If there was a time to bang heads together to get something done, rather than leaving it to executive orders and planes in the night, it would be now.
The inability of Congress to craft legislation on important issues will kill the Republic faster than Trump can.
Kevin M (82db33) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:27 pmMissourian here…I want illegal aliens, even moms, deported.
Well, I want everyone who voted for Trump deported to North Korea, but I’m not gonna get my wish either.
Kevin M (82db33) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:28 pmThe whole Medicaid thing carefully ignores the history of Medicaid. Those being pulled from the system are people who were not eligible in years past, but with the massive expansion of Medicaid under Obama, and again under Biden, they are now.
In 2008 most single adults without children were unable to get Medicaid. Due to financial crisis, Obama waived those limitations and later codified it. In response to Covid, Biden took it further. Now Republicans want to dial it back somewhat. The screaming is the predictable reaction to someone trying to undo the Progressive ratchet.
Kevin M (82db33) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:38 pmThe general Welfare of the United States (which is explicitly mentioned twice) surely encompasses it.
And how come General Welfare never gets promoted? He’s been a one-star forever!
Sounds absurd? Well so does conflating the “general Welfare” with “welfare.” I could make a better case it means lowering taxes.
Kevin M (82db33) — 5/30/2025 @ 10:40 pmwel·fare
Dave (a8f32e) — 5/30/2025 @ 11:30 pmnoun
1) the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group
Trump Administration Says New York Mascot Ban Violates Civil Rights Law (probably paywalled – I’m out of gift links)
LOL.
Dave (a8f32e) — 5/30/2025 @ 11:40 pmWhy do we have a semi welfare state? To prevent militant leftists now and before communism anarchists from violently attacking the capitalist system like blowing up the NY stock exchange. (ITs bad for business to be pulled out of your limo at a people’s road block and have revolutionary justice dispensed to you.) Read social history of the machine gun. In germany 150 years ago conservatives who don’t run the county say lets fight it out until the mob starting dispensing revolutionary justice to them so Otto von Bismark came up with the welfare state to stop rich people from being executed. The state prefers safety over conservative ideology!
asset (f2fcc5) — 5/31/2025 @ 12:12 amAs a non-exploitive capitalist I prefer it to revolution which gets messy. Disaffected intellectuals like me Robespierre, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Fidel, Che, Chavez even Bin ladin come from disaffected intellectuals like the campus radicals of today not peasants or workers. The welfare state is to keep us busy so we don’t lead the masses in revolutionary ways that threaten the deep corporate state like AOC taking over the democrat party from the corporate establishment liberal grifters.
asset (f2fcc5) — 5/31/2025 @ 1:29 am1) the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group
As I said, that can mean anything. Lowering taxes on everyone is probably more in line than providing services to some and taxing others to pay for it.
It’s really just boilerplate; it means that the commonwealth should be concerned with the public’s interests. In theory, Congress is the vehicle through which that happens as it is most responsive to the people through their votes.
Kevin M (fb3b00) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:50 amTrump attacking the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo is LOL funny. Maybe a couple of his hardcore lawyer-apologists will get a clue that he thinks the judges he appoints owe personal allegiance to him and should always do what he wants – which means serving his desires and interests, not just advancing “ideological goals.” (Is that what judges are supposed to do?)
Radegunda (323f51) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:59 amIt’s also funny that someone smart enough to be a law professor would be at all surprised to hear such unhinged petulance from Donald Trump.
Another Salvadoran sent to El Salvador despite judge’s order. There is some dispute as to whether the deportation was started before the order or after, but the plane did leave after.
Beneath the fold, we find that the deportee was indeed a criminal and apparently had been fighting a removal order for some time.
I’m not happy that the administration played this one fast and loose, but I have little sympathy for an immigrant (legal or otherwise (the Times does not say)) who commits a felony involving guns.
Politico reports that MR Melgar-Salmeron was indeed undocumented, so it was a deportable crime to even have a gun, let alone a sawed-off shotgun. His sentencing memorandum indicates substantial leniency on the government’s part. He was detained by Immigration in 2022 (2 B.T.), where he remained until his deportation.
This was someone who SHOULD have been deported. He was sent to his home country, which may have imprisoned him. I’ll note that we have an extradition treaty with El Salvador, so our concern with their justice system isn’t robust.
Kevin M (fb3b00) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:18 amAs I have noted (repeatedly), the CBO has estimated 1.4 million persons may lose health care coverage under the One Big Beautiful Bill reconciliation act have never been in Medicaid, but are in programs (such as California’s Medi-Cal) funded by state taxpayers. These states will be punished by a reduction in their Medicaid funding for providing such services.
Source
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:29 am“General welfare” means government welfare programs like “Domestic tranquility” means martial law.
The same folks will turn around and tell you the 14th amendment means just what it says and nothing more.
It’s a living constitution, then suddenly it’s dead. It’s always a shell game.
lloyd (0c1248) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:31 amWhat is the “settled legal question” and what case settled it?
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:33 amWisconsin judge claims ‘absolute immunity,’ calls DOJ indictment an ‘ugly innovation’
LOL. My strong suspicion is that a year ago this judge, and all her supporters, thought Trump’s immunity claim was an ugly innovation.
lloyd (0c1248) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:50 amThe Preamble of the Constitution
……….imparts three central concepts to the reader: (1) the source of power to enact the Constitution (i.e., the People of the United States); (2) the broad ends to which the Constitution is ordain[ed] and establish[ed]; and (3) the authors’ intent for the Constitution to be a legal instrument of lasting Posterity.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:51 am………………
As Justice Joseph Story noted in (1833) his Commentaries, “the Preamble never can be resorted to, to enlarge the powers confided to the general government, or any of its departments.” The Supreme Court subsequently endorsed Justice Story’s view of the Preamble, holding in Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905) that, while the Constitution’s introductory paragraph indicates the general purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution, it has never been regarded by the Court as the source of any substantive power conferred on the federal government.
All of post 78 should have been blockquoted.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 8:52 amLloyd, I agree with you about the judges legal arguments. I think she has a much stronger case in that her actual actions don’t appear to rise to the level of obstruction. But that’s a fact question that the jury will have to find, I generally assume that the jury will get questions of fact, right?
Time123 (fa1709) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:24 amI also don’t think That General welfare can fairly be construed to mean socialized medicine or a minimum basic income for all citizens. I think it means things more like roads and sanitation department and things like that. I also think the exact definition is a political question. The meaning is brought enough that you probably could fairly argue that a socialized medicine state with universal basic income is allowable under the constitution. Or that it is not required under the constitution and that no such support is needed. Or anything in between.
My personal Take is far closer to the nothing than it is to the universal everything. But I don’t advocate nothing. I think we’re a rich enough nation that we can afford to help out the poor, the destitute, the elderly, our children, probably a little bit more than we currently do, especially if we tighten up the definition of who qualifies
Time123 (fa1709) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:26 amTime for a Trump TACO:
Rip Murdock (cc0f6d) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:31 amUp next: Executive orders requiring teams that have changed their names to avoid offending anyone (for example, the Cleveland Indians to Guardians) to change them back
Rip Murdock (cc0f6d) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:36 amDolphins and humans have another thing in common: Both species know how to get stoned.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 5/31/2025 @ 12:17 pmI also think the exact definition is a political question.
Indeed, and what the boundaries of need and support are is why we have a Congress.
Kevin M (dd22c0) — 5/31/2025 @ 1:26 pmUp next: Executive orders requiring teams that have changed their names to avoid offending anyone (for example, the Cleveland Indians to Guardians) to change them back
Based on what power? Which unit of government has authority over team names?
Kevin M (dd22c0) — 5/31/2025 @ 1:27 pmDolphins and humans have another thing in common: Both species know how to get stoned.
Note that it’s “young dolphins”, as you might suspect. They’ll be sorry when the orca shows up.
Kevin M (dd22c0) — 5/31/2025 @ 1:30 pmBy Trump’s own authority as President. Most of his EO aren’t based on a specific statutory or constitutional authority, but he issues them anyway.
You also need to recognize sarcasm.
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 2:27 pmAlso, the movement to change team names was DEI related, they must be changed. The DOJ could make the same argument as they are making in the NY mascot case (above).
😏
Rip Murdock (c01de8) — 5/31/2025 @ 2:38 pmTrump pulls NASA Administrator nominee (and Musk business partner) Jared Issacmann:
Rip Murdock (4b2c27) — 5/31/2025 @ 2:59 pmGovernment and courts have a dilemma. Do they narrowly and strictly interpret the constitution and leave it to congress so nothing gets done. See dred scott decision and disaffected intellectuals (latter day John Browns) step into the void to form the resistance Iike the abolutionists, communist party, Black Panthers ect. or do they act to delay or stop the revolution. Remember revolutions are bad for the business community that the establishment represent.
asset (0a4dac) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:00 pmI (obviously) wasn’t suggesting that the Constitution requires the government to provide health care or other safety nets to the poor.
In fact, the government has been providing health care benefits for almost 200 years:
The aftermath of the First World War saw the creation of the “Veterans Bureau” in 1921 (Republican Warren Harding campaigned on the issue) and the VA in 1930 (by Republican Herbert Hoover) and a massive building program of federal hospitals originally run by the Public Health Service.
And Rip’s argument that the Preamble is meaningless is moot, since identical language regarding “general Welfare” is used in Article I’s enumerated powers (and it is part of the very first enumerated power).
They are trying to use the law against discrimination in education to threaten education funding for the entire state in the school mascot case. Pro sports teams would be a bit tougher, since they aren’t generally receiving federal money. I suppose he could threaten the host cities. Washington, D.C. is totally reliant on Congress’s approval to spend revenue raised by the city itself. Cleveland has a Democratic mayor.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:04 pmI meant to include a link to the quote about medical care for veterans above – it comes from the VA website.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:11 pmThe smell of a new Machine. Political, that is.
Look, comrades. It’s basic Ochlocracy 101.
— You give the rubes a show they like.
— They give you their votes.
— You use your elected position to line your pockets.
If you’re a classic case of Oedipal complex complete with castration anxiety, you also palliate (but never cure) your neurosis with political power as the substitute for testosterone, blustering and bullying with the dread that your daddy will get angry and cut off your balls always a shadow over everywhere you go and everything you do.
nk (27546a) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:46 pmSpeaking of sports teams, how about them Rockies. 9-48 so far, on pace for a 25 win, 137 loss season, shattering all major league records.
Kevin M (f4d842) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:54 pm@94: Max Bialystock had more class.
Kevin M (f4d842) — 5/31/2025 @ 3:55 pmBut they have the best-named minor league team in baseball: the Albuquerque Isotopes!
The Isotopes won a game a month or so ago on a 3-run walk (that didn’t involve a Wild Pitch or Passed Ball), and last week they managed to lose a game in even more entertaining fashion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KONQRShmcA
They were up 4-3 on the road against the Reno Aces, who were batting in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded and one out.
The Aces’ batter hit a line-drive into the gap in right-center. The runner on 3rd scored the tying run, and the runner from 2nd was on his way home with the winner when … a teammate running out of the dugout with a cellphone to record the celebration knocked him to the ground halfway to home plate. He was called out due to interference, didn’t score the winning run, and the game appeared to be tied.
The runner from 1st stopped before reaching 3rd, and the batter had started running toward the celebration.
But wait.
The ball was not dead, and thinking the game was over on the bases-loaded extra-base hit, the Isotopes’ center-fielder flipped the ball into the stands.
That error gives each base-runner the base they are heading to plus one more. So the winning run (from 1st base) *did* score…
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 4:06 pmYeah, I saw that last one. But a 3-run walk?
I live in ABQ, and I gave an Isotopes hat to a British friend who follows both baseball and The Simpsons. It’s a cool hat.
Kevin M (78d1c6) — 5/31/2025 @ 4:14 pmOH. https://www.milb.com/albuquerque/video/three-score-after-walk
Smart baserunners, stupid pitcher.
Kevin M (78d1c6) — 5/31/2025 @ 4:16 pmTonight is Science Night! out at the ballpark in ABQ…
Pride Night tomorrow – they seem to have all the culture-war bases … err … covered.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 5:28 pmIt’s not my argument, it’s the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Preamble:
Footnotes omitted and paragraph breaks added.
Rip Murdock (594c43) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:23 pmI’m waiting for Trump-flag-truck night. I’ve yet to see a Pride-flag truck. The state is 48% Hispanic and 35% Catholic which makes both those things a minority viewpoint.
Kevin M (3c5169) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:33 pmThis clause merely grants Congress to provide funds for the “general welfare of the United States” without defining what it means and may not even be judicially enforceable by the courts.
Footnotes omitted.
Rip Murdock (594c43) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:38 pmAnd Rip’s argument that the Preamble is meaningless is moot, since identical language regarding “general Welfare” is used in Article I’s enumerated powers (and it is part of the very first enumerated power).
To address your point more directly: So what?
Art I, Section 8 begins:
My first observation is that this is about collecting money for various purposes. It does NOT say that the Congress controls the common defense or directs the general welfare. Indeed, the Commander-in-Chief has a major role in the former, as do state militias. Further down, it does suggest areas where the Congress has domestic powers, but that does not make this bit anything more than a throat-clearing on Congress’s non-monetary powers. It’s about who gets to tax and lay tariffs.
Secondly, there are a number of things Congress may NOT do, both in Section 9 and in the Amendments.
Third, the actual enumeration of domestic powers consists of:
Much is made of the regulation of interstate commerce, of course. I grant that some of what Congress does is claimed to be a “general welfare” power, but that is not a foundational argument. It’s an excuse, hidden in an inkblot. There is nothing in there that is mandated.
Kevin M (3c5169) — 5/31/2025 @ 7:52 pmMore on Trump’s “judge grudge”:
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 9:00 pmEven the first Congress passed a “Welfare” act:
Note that this act took responsibility for these payments away from the states and made them a resposibility of the federal government.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 9:23 pmSo what? It has nothing to do with the phrase “promote the general welfare” in the Preamble or in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. As I pointed out above, the Supreme Court doesn’t consider the Preamble to be a source of “substantive power conferred on the federal government.” And the Court has said that the “general welfare” in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is whatever Congress says it is.
I’m not sure what you’re point is.
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 9:36 pm@106 I invite Dave to inform a veteran and his family that the pension and benefits they earned are welfare.
lloyd (ca6efe) — 5/31/2025 @ 9:40 pmSo you admit that your claim “Health care for the poor is not a power delegated to the federal government” was incorrect?
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 9:45 pmAnd to support my claim that federal funding for healthcare is settled law, this whitepaper by the Congressional Research Service is an excellent summary of the history and related Supreme Court jurisprudence:
Healthcare: Constitutional Rights and Legislative Powers
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:02 pmFrom the second paragraph in the Summary of your linked CRS report:
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:15 pmAnd:
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:18 pmAnd:
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:20 pmAccording to the NYT, Isaacman’s unplanned rapid disassembly was not due his blatant conflicts of interest with SpaceX (this is the Trump administration, after all), but because Trump discovered he had donated money to Democrats:
Trump himself has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Charlie Rangel, John Kerry, Harry Reid and even Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:29 pmAs noted above, it’s certainly not an enumerated right; nor has the Supreme Court declared it to be a right. While Congress has enacted a number of health care laws, they are not required under the Constitution. It would not be unconstitutional, for example, if Congress abolished the federal Medicaid program.
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:30 pmDissing Musk’s plan to go to Mars was probably the final straw.
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:32 pmWhoa! You just moved the goalposts into a different county.
You’ve gone from claiming “Health care for the poor is not a power delegated to the federal government” (i.e. the feds cannot legally provide it) to arguing it is not a right (i.e. the feds are not required to provide it).
I never said healthcare for the poor was mandated by the Constitution, I said it was allowed by the Constitution (and you said it wasn’t).
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:36 pmYou quoted the 10th Amendment:
and then said:
It was perfectly clear we were talking about what the feds may do, not what they must do.
Dave (808dd5) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:41 pmHealth care is not a delegated power of the federal government; it is reserved to the states under the Tenth Amendment.
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:47 pmUnfortunately, Congress and Supreme Court have drifted a long way from the principles of federalism.
Rip Murdock (c89a5e) — 5/31/2025 @ 10:51 pm@94 Determinism has replace Freud.
asset (ee30dd) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:07 am@100 when is plutonium night where they give away weapon grade plutonium to make an atomic bomb in centerfield after the game?
asset (ee30dd) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:10 amThe left has no quibble wether its in the constitution or not. Simple provide healthcare to the poor or face the consequences.
asset (ee30dd) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:20 amOne thing to remember: There wasn’t much doctors could do, worth paying for, back in 1789.
(Edward Jenner’s experiments began in 1796. In 1803, Jefferson provided the vaccine to the Lewis and Clark expedition, and tried to provide it to Indian tribes. But it didn’t require much training to administer it.)
Jim Miller (bdf047) — 6/1/2025 @ 4:39 am#72 Good to see you here, making an important point.
Jim Miller (bdf047) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:01 amThe constitution grants congress the power to spend money to promote the general welfare, and to pass legislation necessary and proper toward that end.
Safety-net spending has been practiced since the First Congress, which assumed responsibility for certain pensions for invalids previously paid by the states.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:33 amI’ll have to check the schedule.
The first nuclear reactor, and hence the first source of plutonium, was on a squash court under the stands at Stagg Field, so it would be totally legit.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:45 amOnly for those the federal government was responsible for (like military pensions.)
Sadly, it has spiraled out of control since then.Hopefully future Congresses and Supreme Courts will see the errors of their ways. Otherwise it is going to bankrupt the US, as healthcare represents 27% of federal spending, or $1.9T (mostly mandatory spending.)
Good discussion though.
Rip Murdock (594c43) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:53 amStrangely, countries half as wealthy as us manage to provide a minimum level of healthcare for a larger fraction of their population, though.
The reason it stands to bankrupt us is because we insist on borrowing to pay for it instead of raising adequate revenue. We are paying $1T/year in interest.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:07 amName one which shares a 1500 mile border with a third world subcontinent.
lloyd (ca6efe) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:24 amThose nations artificially reduce their prices and expect us to pay for their largesse. When Trump tries to level the playing field and says Americans won’t overpay so others can get cheap pharmaceuticals, the usual suspects scream bloody murder.
NJRob (8e0a07) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:40 amIllegal immigrants aren’t the reason for why we spend nearly twice as much per capita on healthcare compared with the rest of the world on average. That is absurd. Our spending on healthcare as a percent of our GDP is glaringly higher than the rest of the world.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:24 amGreat news for the Ukrainian freedom fighters.
Brilliant. You could even call it “genius” and “savvy”.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:28 amSpeaking of absurd…
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:41 amHere’s a photo of one of Ukraine’s aircraft carriers.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:50 amIt is absurd, which is why I didn’t say that. Utopian healthcare systems that Leftists always compare us to would collapse if they weren’t sequestered deep within Europe. If Canada and the US flipped borders, good luck. That is what I said. As Friedman stated, you can have open borders or a welfare state — pick one.
Spending as a percentage of GDP is not a meaningful metric. We’re spending more on defense as a percentage of GDP than most of the world. That doesn’t mean we have substandard defense capabilities. That is absurd. What matters is spending per health care outcome, which is hard to measure.
*Legal* immigrants actually are good for our healthcare system as they keep costs down and fill labor voids.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:53 amYou brought up border, lloyd, alluding that as a reason.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:56 amThe border isn’t relevant, Paul. It never is.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:07 amPrescription drug spending is less than 10% of national health expenditure, so it can’t be a driver of overall costs.
Do you support government price-fixing, like the Communists did, Rob?
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:19 amBelarus, Ukraine and Moldova are all poorer than Mexico, and the Schengen Area (basically the EU, within which there are no passport controls) shares a 1,978 mile border with them.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:35 am@139 Odd that government price fixing of prescription drugs (and patient access to them) is a feature of the socialist healthcare systems Dave is a fan of.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:35 amAI says:
“The Poland-Belarus border is characterized by a state barrier and strict border control measures, especially in response to the migrant crisis that began in 2021. Poland has constructed a barrier along the border, while both sides have faced accusations of violating human rights related to the handling of migrant.”
Oh well. It’s still a border, though. Not an open border like Biden supporters want, but still. You win, Dave!
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:41 amI never said I was a fan of any socialist healthcare system.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:53 amI believe “everyone dies” is definitely a winning message for Republicans, they should continue to run on it.
Davethulhu (de268c) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:56 am@143 You compared our spending to that of other countries’. Is there a reason you don’t want to name them? When you referred to the EU, did you mean Hungary?
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:56 amEven the first Congress passed a “Welfare” act:
Military pensions are covered under “Raise and support Armies”, an enumerated power.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:59 am“8647” is the most winning of messages, Davethulhu. Only the president dies.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:00 amAnd the Court has said that the “general welfare” in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is whatever Congress says it is.
Even if you read that clause as permitting widespread social welfare programs (I don’t) there is nothing there that mandates anything. Congress does not have to do a damn thing in that area, and can make whatever changes they want, at any time they want, subject only to Executive vetoes and subsequent elections.
Even where there is a clear mandate, such as taxes, not only can they change the tax law willy-nilly, but they can change it RETROACTIVELY. I don’t see why this year’s generosity forces next year to have the same (or any). They could even cancel Social Security, but they would not like the next election.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:08 amSo you admit that your claim “Health care for the poor is not a power delegated to the federal government” was incorrect?
It was not “delegated” to them. It has been successfully arrogated by them, and the Supreme Court has washed its hands of it. It can be canceled by them just as easily. There is no duty to provide any particular level of “general welfare” just as there is no duty to maintain Interstates or have a Marine Corps.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:12 am@148 This was discussed at length in Federalist 41. The Federalist Papers aren’t binding but it does give a window on the founders’ intent. We are of course far afield of that.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:13 amThere wasn’t much doctors could do, worth paying for, back in 1789.
Homeopathy was successful then, as it did less harm.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:14 amOnce someone is mustered out, they are no longer in the Army. And the people in question mustered out before the Constitution was ratified. Only invalids were paid the pension.
If the pension was part of the compensation agreed at enlistment, as it is today, you would have a more reasonable argument, but I don’t think anyone was offered a pension on the way to Lexington and Concord…
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:16 amMilitary pensions have been an expected part of military service since the Roman times and likely before.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:24 amName one which shares a 1500 mile border with a third world subcontinent.
There are lots of long borders, but none have the same kind of trespass.
Just in Asia:
Russia – Kazakstan 4700 mi
Russia – Mongolia 2100 mi
Russia – China 2600 mi
China – Mongolia 2900 mi
China – India 2100 mi
India – Bangladesh 2500 mi
India – Pakistan 2100 mi
And then there is Russia – Ukraine (1400 mi) which has a lot of trespass.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:31 amIf the pension was part of the compensation agreed at enlistment, as it is today, you would have a more reasonable argument
How you treat veterans has an impact on raising today’s army.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:33 amDave, let’s go at this another way:
What Constitutional provision would you cite to say that Congress cannot cut Medicaid eligibility and/or cut the overall payments by half?
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:34 amThose nations artificially reduce their prices and expect us to pay for their largesse. When Trump tries to level the playing field and says Americans won’t overpay so others can get cheap pharmaceuticals, the usual suspects scream bloody murder.
Trump’s argument seems to be that everyone should pay less than average.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:36 amYes. Some historians trace Rome’s fall to failure to adequately compensate military veterans. Maybe not the cause but a contributor.
lloyd (6e4e97) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:36 amThose nations artificially reduce their prices and expect us to pay for their largesse.
No, they expect the drug companies to sell their products therefor less. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, and sometimes supplies are not as forthcoming in those places. The same countries complained loudly when the Covid vaccines were slow to show up.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:39 amI don’t understand the question.
Congress (and the president) could eliminate Medicaid entirely if they wanted to.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:39 amHow you treat veterans has an impact on raising today’s army.
It is at least as important to that enumerated power as growing your own wheat (or pot) is to interstate commerce.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:40 amCongress (and the president) could eliminate Medicaid entirely if they wanted to.
Yes. Subject to the wrath of voters, and not just those affected.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:42 amI think that concludes our discussion:
1. Congress may enact social welfare laws.
Kevin M (a89cd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:43 am2. It does not have to.
I am sort of glad that i have only seen one person thinking that this is great news.
It destabilizes our post cold war nuclear deterrence posture. If we don’t condemn this i think it makes it more likely that our airbases/depot facilities will be attacked as a legitimate decapitation strike.
And i sincerely hope we had nothing to do with this.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:48 amIts a dangerous escalation.
OK.
Every citizen is a potential draftee to the Army in wartime.
So why can’t congress decide that keeping those future soldiers alive and healthy is necessary and proper for carrying into execution the enumerated power to raise and support armies?
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:52 am““8647” is the most winning of messages, Davethulhu. Only the president dies.”
from your lips to God’s ears
Davethulhu (de268c) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:09 amYou really think our condemning it would deter an adversary otherwise able to do it to us?
These types of reverses are important not only for their material effect (taking a bunch of aircraft out service) but also because it will roil the enemy’s command structure. A third benefit will be the need to take counter-measures against similar attacks in the future, which could tie up men and equipment.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:15 amRIP legendary rocker Rick Derringer (77):
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:22 amThey attacked military bases.
That’s what you’re supposed to attack.
“A military man can scarcely pride himself on having ‘smitten a sleeping enemy’; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten.” – Yamamoto
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:25 amAdd my vote; it was a brilliant attack on the aircraft that are launching the devastating missile barrages in Ukrainian civilians.
You don’t think those facilities have already been targeted-they have been targets for the Russians since the Cold War era. How naive.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:31 amThis attack by Ukraine is not enough to get Putin to decide o end the war,
It can be seen as a response to Russia’s missile attacks.
Sammy Finkelman (d2b4e5) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:31 amHow so?
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:33 am“Bad luck” on the horizon:
Memphis landed a $12 billion project to house Musk’s supercomputer, which some say will transform the struggling city. It has been met with anger and suspicion.
It is likely about 5% of the population that is on fire to stop this. Guess how long it will take Musk to fix that grid, if they let him. But the gift horse has some strange teeth!
Kevin M (0cec52) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:43 amIts a dangerous escalation.
[rude comment]
Kevin M (0cec52) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:44 amRussia sends 10,000 missiles into Ukraine.
Ukraine sends dozens of missiles into Russia.
Dangerous escalation! They’re fighting back!
[another rude comment]
Kevin M (0cec52) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:45 amI am sort of glad that i have only seen one person thinking that this is great news.
I cheer the attack as well.
If our foreign policy is based on cowardice and appeasement, we are in for a very bad war down the road.
Kevin M (0cec52) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:50 amYou don’t think those facilities have already been targeted-they have been targets for the Russians since the Cold War era. How naive.
Indeed. Also by the Chinese.
Kevin M (0cec52) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:57 amBrought to mind Arthur “Bomber” Harris’s quote from 1942:
The Ukrainians hit bases in Murmansk (which is on the Arctic Ocean) and Irkutsk (which is almost 4000 miles from Kyiv). Ballsy.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 11:59 amI wouldn’t depend on the Medicaid population to defend the nation.
Of the 95 million enrolled in 2021:
9.4 million are seniors
12.5 million have disabilities
32.2 million are children
27% are over the age 45
38% are between 0-18
55% are female
46% have at least one chronic condition
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:11 pmWe have always said that a nuke=nuke response as part of MAD.
This is a non nuke way of taking out nukes. Which means that everyone will have to have enough redundancy to survive a ridiculously cheap way of launching a first wave attack.
How blasé will we be when Iran takes out the AWACS in midwest city ok? (Bisected by 2 interstates)
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:15 pmOr course, now everyone who has played Xbox can chime in.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:18 pmGranted if it was all Ukraine its brilliant
I bet people here will complain though if Russia sets off a nuke for some reason in retaliation though.
Trump’s FY 2026 budget proposal cuts National Science Foundation funding in Math and the Physical Sciences by a factor of three.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:23 pmI’m sure since the Chinese ballon incident NORAD is on high alert for unknown flying objects. Using drones to attack the US nuclear triad is a very ineffective method-they would need to be quite large to destroy the US nuclear arsenal. The missile silos are deep underground covered by tons of concrete; nuclear submarines are at sea and virtually undetectable; and land-based bombs and missiles are stored in hardened underground shelters.
The Russian Air Force was caught with their pants down; assuming the long distance from Ukraine made their planes (stored in the open) invulnerable. Guess not.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:31 pmI’ll bet that won’t happeb; but if it does, Putin probably won’t live to regret it.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:34 pmAnything is possible; but so what? As I pointed out above, the land- and sea-based missiles are virtually invulnerable, so if the land-based leg of the triad is eliminated, the US can still respond to a nuclear attack.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:48 pmAnd if North Korea or Iran tried such an operation, they would have to kiss their ass good bye as a country.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:51 pm@Joe@185 Most of our nuclear capability isn’t via airplane. (also, Tinker, which is in Oklahoma and hellacious far away from any border, is a MAC base. Those aren’t bombers anyway.)
Nic (120c94) — 6/1/2025 @ 12:56 pmSource
So 77% of US nuclear arsenal is on two of the most survivable legs of the triad.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:18 pmRIP Dr. Robert Jarvik, inventor of the first permanently implantable artificial heart.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:24 pmThat is an AWACS squadron. There is also a navy detachment of sub control planes as well.
Tinker is an AFMC base.
What i am saying is that we are susceptible to what happened to Russia, and to those who claim we would respond strongly seem to forget that Russia has the right to respond like we would.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:39 pmPutin invaded. He brought this on himself. It’s fairly ridiculous (1) that Putin would offensively strike the US for an attack by Ukrainian FPV drones (which would be the Russian thug starting WW3, not us) and (2) that the victim is getting blamed for legitimately defending themselves (and it is self-defense to destroy the planes that fire missiles at Ukraine), yet not a word of condemnation for the thousands of literal terrorist attacks by Putin on Ukrainian civilian targets. It’s the tack of a Putinbot, a terrorist sympathizer.
Also, self-defense isn’t an escalation, since the airbases are legitimate military targets, not apartment blocks or churches or schools or hospitals, like what Putin does.
The strike was 18 months in the planning, Sammy. It was a preventive strike, to prevent missile-carrying jets from taking off.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:39 pmRIP NASA engineer Ed Smylie (95); an American hero:
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:43 pmSo what? It’s unlikely the Russians or Chinese would something similar without taking American retaliation into account. The more likely (but still very doubtful) scenario involves Iran or North Korea, if they want to see themselves vaporized.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:48 pmThey are legitimate military targets.
It was brilliant.
If it really was 18 months in the planning, there has to be a “phase 2” or follow ups.
It shows an alarming weakness in our own defenses to similar attacks.
It weakens MAD, and makes a nuclear war more likely.
I don’t see the reason to cheer, i am not a putin-bot, just don’t want us troops or money involved. I am more worried about Mexico and 38 trillion dollar deficit.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:51 pmOK, so this is where i get really confused.
it would be ok for us to “vaporize” someone that did this to us, but somehow its beyond the pale for Putin to vaporize the people that did this to them?
??
Just seems inconsistent from a rule of war point of view.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 1:53 pmWeakens how? This was a drone military strike, using conventional weapons on jets that were attacking Ukraine. Drones are the weapons of the present, not the future. If the US hasn’t figured out to repel or deter this type of weapon, then Hegseth should step aside so that a competent SecDef can take over.
Putin opened this genie bottle when he invaded. Ukraine had to build a drone force out of necessity (thanks in part to our short-changing them on military aid), to minimize the loss of their personnel, and the result is that Putin’s War Against Ukraine is also The First Drone War. The Ukrainians have been deft enough to produce tens of thousands of drones at a fraction of the cost of ours.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:06 pmOr course, now everyone who has played Xbox can chime in.
Said the man who fears Russia so much he will throw anyone’s children onto the fire to feel safe.
I lived through most of the effing Cold War. I saw the Berlin Wall before it fell.
I have never owned an Xbox though. GFY
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:08 pm@Joe@191 E-3s are mostly decommissioned and aren’t bombers. And AFMC = MAC (they changed the command names back in the early/mid 90s, but SAC, MAC, TAC lives in my brain more, sorry for the confusion. AFMC isn’t nukes.)
Russia isn’t going to nuke the US for us providing weapons to Ukraine. We haven’t nuked them for providing weapons to any of the people they provide weapons to who were fighting us and Russia absolutely does not want the response it would garner.
Nic (120c94) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:08 pm@132
They ARE part of the problem.
I’m not sure you can prove it with accounting datasheet.
But, of you look at it logically:
Anytime an illegal alien needs healthcare… where do they go?
Answer: The local Emergency Room.
In any healthcare organization, what is the most expensive department, by far?
Answer: The Emergency Room.
Operating an Emergency Room, in terms of outright dollar expenditures, manpower, skilled services, equipment and supplies is ridiculously expensive. Hospitals almost never make any money operating that department. What hospital get, for having an ER on campus, open doors to other, more money making opportunities. And that is because these organizations needs local governments to approve any expansion.
Examine the concept of Certificates of Need, and how these institution “buy” local governance influence.
In general, healthcare organizations are a different sort of money making enterprise.
You’ll be surprised to know, that they’re only looking to make 0.03 to every dollar spent in profit. Most falls between 0.0125 – 0.025 cents on the dollar.
Organizations with substantial foundations, however, are either used for filantrophy stuff, or leverage for loans to build new buildings. (it’s why you never see major hospital organizations stop building things.)
So, what about these illegal aliens.
They’re part of the uninsured patient population.
It’s what we, in the healthcare field colloquially calls “freecare”. It’s anyone seeking care where there’s obvious expectation that they cannot (or will not) pay. (the law EMTALA requires heathcare organizations to treat and stabilize patients regardless of their ability to pay).
So, ask yourself this:
Who pays for these “freecare”??
Answer: You do. In forms of state/federal taxes and higher insurance rates.
Your insurance, even though it’s costly, may not be able to cover many things you’d like, because you’re paying the higher costs passed down by healthcare organizations who has to eat every one of those “freecare” visits.
So, are illegal immigrants the sole cause of our high healthcare cost?
Of course not.
But, they’re a huge, significant factor.
Ask me how I know.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:08 pmAs i understand it, the destroyed planes are nuclear capable, that reduces their ability to respond to a theoretical first strike. That lowers the chance of MAD and makes nuclear war more likely.
Did i explain it well? Not sure what i am trying to say is working here.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:10 pmI bet people here will complain though if Russia sets off a nuke for some reason in retaliation though.
Complain? No. However. I will cheer the US Air Force destroying every Russian ship, base and bridge in Crimea. If we do nothing, they yes, I’ll complain. And Trump will be impeached.
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:13 pmI also lived through the Cold War.
I don’t fear Russia, i just don’t care about Russia. I have been in the subways of Saint Petersburg, i have seen the rotten window casements of the hermitage. Let Europe figure out Europe. There is a reason President Washington told us to avoid foreign wars. We can win nothing in this.
As far as the GFY, c’mon, i will defend your right to say it to me, but really? This is the best response?
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:16 pmAs i understand it, the destroyed planes are nuclear capable, that reduces their ability to respond to a theoretical first strike. That lowers the chance of MAD and makes nuclear war more likely.
Did i explain it well? Not sure what i am trying to say is working here.
You explained what you were thinking. It’s a crappy argument though. Did you know that, right this minute, every Russian missile sub is being shadowed by a US fast-attack sub? Just in case.
If Putin were to use a nuke in some kind of hissy fit, we probably would respond conventionally, this time, but with overwhelming force. And what it would show is that 1) all Russia has are nukes; they’re third-rate otherwise and 2) That Putin is insane.
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:17 pmZelenskyy…
I find fully and completely absurd that 117 Ukrainian drones hitting military targets in Russia is a “dangerous escalation” while Putin can launch 500 attack drones on Ukraine in one night, on top the tens of thousands of drones he’s already fired at Ukrainians on Ukrainian land. There was nothing dangerous or escalatory about what Ukraine. They’re not sitting ducks, waiting to get struck.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:17 pmWhatever Putin does is his choice; but he’s not being forced to retaliate against Ukraine with nuclear weapons. It would seem to be a case of (pardon the phrase) overkill, since Ukraine didn’t use (or possesses) nuclear weapons.
But if Putin did retaliate with nuclear weapons, it might get President Trump off the dime and impose tougher sanctions on Russia.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:17 pm@Joe@196/201 You are missing what the rules for nuclear brinksmanship are. 1. The US and Russia are pretending not to fight eachother, as has been the case since the 1940s. 2. You can fight the proxy, but we can’t directly fight Russia and they can’t directly fight us, as has been the case since the 1940s. 3. As long as no one uses nukes, no nukes get used.
It would be within the “rules” for Russia to use a non-nuclear weapon to vaporize Ukraine, because that is who they are directly fighting. They cannot use a nuke. They cannot directly attack the US.
Nic (120c94) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:17 pmAs far as the GFY, c’mon, i will defend your right to say it to me, but really? This is the best response?
You responded to me with that asinine Xbox comment, so fair’s fair.
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:18 pmThey still fly out here all the time.
I agree Russia wont nuke us.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:19 pmBut if there is one thing this has shown, is that it would be extremely cheap to replicate an attack like that on us, and we may not have actionable proof of who did it.
Then let me apologize for that but i don’t quite see how it was aimed at you. I was trying to suggest that a drone attack on our strategic aircraft assets is incredibly cheap, and i have seen reports that our troops who have played xboxes for years are really adapt at drone controls.
That is all.
I have no idea who you are but i am assuming this was an honest miscommunication.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:22 pm🙂
well i am glad that what i was trying to say got through.
Putin is ruthless, maybe overreaching, but not insane.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:25 pmit would be ok for us to “vaporize” someone that did this to us, but somehow its beyond the pale for Putin to vaporize the people that did this to them?
We did not use a nuke or other WMDs after 9/11 (which was use of weapons of mass destruction), for a number of reasons. Probably the most important is that we signed a treaty that we would not use nukes against a non-nuclear state, such as Afghanistan, to encourage countries not to seek nukes.
Russia signed the same treaty.
For Russia to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine, which attacked them conventionally and during a war that Russia started, they would have openly violated the NNPT. We would respond to that. We would have to.
In addition to whatever we targeted in response, every country in the world would back away from Russia. Even China. Using a nuke is an insane act and no one wants to stand too close to a crazy man with nukes.
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:27 pmLand-based bombers aren’t necessarily good second strike weapons because they take hours, not minutes, to reach their targets. Like the US, the Russian forces are heavily weighted toward land and sub-based platforms, which are designed for a second strike.
It is estimated that Russia has deployed approximately 1,718 strategic warheads on about 870 on land-based ballistic missiles; 640 on submarine-launched ballistic missiles; and possibly slightly over 200 at heavy bomber bases.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:32 pmI was trying to suggest that a drone attack on our strategic aircraft assets is incredibly cheap
News at 11!
Do you think that you’re the first person to figure that out? The USAF, Army and Navy are buying boatloads of UAVs, of varying sizes. Cheap is not a word I’d use though. Ukraine is at the cutting edge here, converting commercial Chinese drones into effective weapons. They use them daily against command and supply stations and armor.
Defense against drones isn’t all that hard, so long as you can anticipate the strike. A Vulcan cannon will do just fine and maybe lasers, too.
As for those Bear bombers, yes they are nuclear capable, but they are being used now in conventional attacks on Ukraine so they are legitimate targets. In a nuclear war they’d be a day late to the fight.
Kevin M (474380) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:35 pmPutin has constantly issued “red lines” and threatened to use nuclear weapons, and every time a red line is crossed by Ukraine or its Western allies, nothing happens. He knows that using nuclear weapons will lose him his few allies.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:45 pm@ 214
I can say that i have not seen any changes of posture (other then more “no drone” signs where i work.
I hope that there are changes in the acquisition strategy for plane shelters, but that takes a long time to get done.
Joe (584b3d) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:46 pmThe fact that Russia signed the NNPT is irrelevant; and the treaty has no enforcement mechanism.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 2:58 pmNo country, including the US, would let a treaty or agreement interfere with what it considers an issue of national sovereignty or survival.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:02 pmRussia has ICBM, submarine-based and hypersonic missiles in addition to strategic bombers (the rest of which will likely be placed east of Mongolia, far far from Ukraine). They already have well enough pointed at us to ensure that MAD is still in effect.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:08 pm“Ask me how I know.”
– whembly
How do you know?
Leviticus (c08377) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:27 pm(Slow moving) drones can be destroyed by cheap lasers.
Sammy Finkelman (33a549) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:39 pmYou need to figure the marginal cost to the hospital of another patient. Reducing the number of patients paid for only makes it more likely the ER will close.
Sammy Finkelman (33a549) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:44 pmAI doesn’t know the truth, but it recognizes similarities (rhymes with the truth so to speak)
How many times have you heard that the new Year came first in Australia or new Zealand?
Sammy Finkelman (33a549) — 6/1/2025 @ 3:47 pmWe’ve reached the point where Hamas says 20 or 30 people were killed trying to get food, nd there’s some video (of people speaking about having seen victims or people killed0 and the IDF says it knows nothing about this. it is possible it – whatever happened – was done by private security guards or even (unlikely0 it’s a total fake.
Hamas and the international aid community are doing their best to wreck any system for delivering food to the people in Gaza.
Sammy Finkelman (33a549) — 6/1/2025 @ 4:25 pmNo country, including the US, would let a treaty or agreement interfere with what it considers an issue of national sovereignty or survival.
Then why didn’t we nuke Tora Bora?
Kevin M (1aacd0) — 6/1/2025 @ 4:44 pmBecause the survival of the United States (or its national sovereignty) was not at stake.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 4:48 pmThe point is that we consider the NNPT to be strongly in our national interest. It does have an enforcement mechanism — Clinton was about to demonstrate that in 1994 by destroying the North Korean reactors that were producing plutonium for bombs. Sadly, peace prevailed.
Kevin M (1aacd0) — 6/1/2025 @ 4:57 pmMultiple people set on fire during attack on pro-Israel march in Boulder, Colorado.
Some injuries are said to be serious, but it sounds like there were no fatalities.
A suspect is in custody.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:01 pmI hope the Trump administration will eventually withdraw the US as it doesn’t serve our national interests now. Witness Trump’s prevaricating on Iran. Despite decades of violations, he is still negotiating with the mullahs. The country should be turned into glass.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:04 pm@228
There are only two possibilities:
1. Right winger fueled by evil right wing hate rhetoric.
2. Random nut job acting alone whose motive isn’t really clear.
lloyd (a3d6fb) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:08 pmI still can’t get it around my head that there are Ukrainians who don’t want to be governed by Russians.
What do they have against mass executions, starvation and gulags?
It just doesn’t make sense.
nk (9e5a33) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:33 pmReally-what section of NNPT authorizes one country to bomb another to enforce its provisions?
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:50 pmThe adults are in the room at CNN
lloyd (a3d6fb) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:51 pmI’ve forgotten, but when did Congress vote to authorize the bombing? Since it wasn’t an emergency situation there must have been plenty of time for Congress to pass an authorization to use military force.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 5:56 pmClinton never let that stop him. There was no AUMF for Kosovo. And they were about to start fueling the plant; better to strike then than after its running.
Kevin M (4c450d) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:15 pmSuspect name: Mohamed Sabry Soliman
Kevin M (4c450d) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:15 pmReally-what section of NNPT authorizes one country to bomb another to enforce its provisions?
The general “You cheat on a treaty and the gloves might come off” rule.
Kevin M (4c450d) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:36 pmI will point out that North Korea now has nukes and ICBMs. We could have prevented that.
Kevin M (ba5d82) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:49 pmhttps://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1929343593602597179
BuDuh (51d1e7) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:53 pmWell, there you go. Failure to renew it was probably the trigger. Trump’s fault.
lloyd (a3d6fb) — 6/1/2025 @ 6:56 pmIndeed
BuDuh (51d1e7) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:00 pmProving that the treaty is not self-enforcing.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:23 pmLooks like CNN has caught up to the story. An additional detail:
“Soliman was denied a visa to enter the country in 2005, the sources told CNN.”
Was denied a visa, then was waved through in 2022.
Again, good job Biden supporters.
lloyd (a3d6fb) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:37 pmWell, there you go. Failure to renew it was probably the trigger. Trump’s fault.
He probably felt threatened by Trump’s attempts to deport pro-Palestinian activists.
Kevin M (8b536b) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:40 pmThe Kosovo operation was authorized by NATO to enforce UN Security Council resolutions 1160, 1199 and 1203; and to impose the Rambouillet Accords on Yugoslavia.
And the US wasn’t the sole country to take participate; the French, Italian, British, Belgian, Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, Portuguese, Turkish, Spanish, and Canadian Air Forces flew sorties to prevent the ethnic cleansing.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:47 pmWell, if he felt like he was an American and if he silently determined that he no longer had allegiance to Egypt, then the same system that lets down all subject-to-the-jurisdiction-thereof illegal immigrants caused this.
Clearly not his fault.
BuDuh (51d1e7) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:50 pmAnd Congress indirectly approved the air war by appropriating $13B in emergency funding.
Rip Murdock (886d1a) — 6/1/2025 @ 7:58 pmNote that it was exactly 6 months. The asylum statute authorizes a work permit for asylum applicants who have been waiting at least 6 months for a decision. Nothing to do with any policy of Biden’s.
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:14 pmYeah, and he probably did not buy a single $Trump coin, either.
It’s too bad that he is not a mom with a one-year old U.S. citizen daughter. He would have been shipped to Cuba a month ago.
nk (9e5a33) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:20 pmLOL. He was denied a visa in 2005 by an administration that wasn’t filled with anti-Semites. But, the Biden administration granted him a visa then needed time to mull over a bogus asylum claim. Right, nothing to do with Biden.
lloyd (a3d6fb) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:33 pmYou don’t know why he was denied a visa in 2005 (when he was 25 years old); the second Intifadah was going on, and the War on Terror was in full swing.
You also don’t know why his visa was approved in 2022 (when he was 42 years old). Egyptians are allowed to visit the United States. Egypt was one of only two countries (the other being Israel) that Trump did not freeze foreign aid to on his first day in office.
The law requires that asylum claims be heard before an immigration judge. Donald Trump and his Republican lackeys blocked a bipartisan bill to hire more immigration judges and reduce the backlog, demonstrating their lack of concern for Americans’ safety as long as they could demagogue the issue.
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:53 pmYou lied about this upthread and you’re lying about it now. That pointless bill was debated in 2024. It has nothing to do with this bozo’s asylum claim, which you already knew.
lloyd (98a6a1) — 6/1/2025 @ 8:59 pmUnder the War Powers Resolution, Clinton would be required to notify Congress, not seek their approval, for a 90-day period. After that, Congressional approval is necessary to continue.
The person who welshed on the WPR was Obama, for bombing the sh-t out of Libya beyond the 90-day window.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:03 pmEvery word I wrote is truthful.
Donald Trump and his Republican lackeys blocked a bipartisan bill to hire more immigration judges and reduce the backlog, demonstrating their lack of concern for Americans’ safety as long as they could demagogue the issue.
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:07 pmLOL Dave, you’re so full of sh1t.
Even if it were relevant, which you already know it’s not, “reducing the backlog” would likely just mean the dude would get his asylum granted quicker.
lloyd (98a6a1) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:20 pmFrom what I can tell, Obama did provide the initial notification as required (on March 21, 2011).
US attack planes and cruise missiles were pulled out of combat after roughly a month. The US subsequently provided aerial refueling and reconnaissance for our allies, who continued bombing.
Obama’s position was that after the US planes and missiles stopped attacking, our forces were no longer engaged in hostilities that meet the definition in the War Powers Act.
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:25 pmOnly about 46% of asylum claims are granted after reaching trial.
In any case, the law requires that asylum claims be heard and decided by an immigration judge. Reducing the backlog is the only (lawful) way to speed the departure of people who do not qualify.
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:35 pm“In any case, the law requires that asylum claims be heard and decided by an immigration judge. Reducing the backlog is the only (lawful) way to speed the departure of people who do not qualify.”
It’s an article of faith among the maga crowd that every asylum seeker is lying. Except for Trump, who thinks they’re escapees from a mental hospital.
Davethulhu (de268c) — 6/1/2025 @ 9:45 pmThe US was involved in Libya from March 2011 to Gaddafi’s demise later that October, and it was a certifiable sh-t show. Like in Egypt after the military ousted the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama tried to redefine “hostilities” to get around the window.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:19 pmBritian to spend 6 billion more pounds on defense including nuclear armed attack bombers. Germany is doubling its tank force and looking into nukes. France is upping its defense spending as are most nato countries with some of them looking at nukes and putin did not smile.
asset (2c39b5) — 6/1/2025 @ 10:49 pmThere’s nothing wrong with asylum claims if they’re from the right kind of people. You know, like white South Africans.
Come on! MAGA knows that Trump is peddling a racist grift, and they fully support it. That’s what they elected him for.
nk (b83996) — 6/2/2025 @ 3:57 amHere’s a natural outcome for the law firms that bent the knee to Trump: They’re losing clients. If they don’t have the huevos to rightfully defend themselves from a bully, how would do clients know that their very expensive lawyers would fight for them?
Turns out that appeasing and capitulating to a thug is bad for business.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/2/2025 @ 6:44 amBig Law doesn’t like democracy, Paul. We’ve only known that since 2016.
lloyd (91baee) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:05 amWhen these South African refugees light Americans on fire, I say we kick them out.
lloyd (91baee) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:09 amUntrue. Here is an archive of all war powers resolution reports to Congress dating back to 1975.
Rip Murdock (594c43) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:23 amI pointed out that Obama gave notice when US forces entered hostilities.
Paul’s complaint is that Obama did not receive an AUMF after 60 days.
Obama’s position was that US attack planes and cruise missiles stopped participating after a month or so, and that the refueling and reconnaissance operations we conducted after that point did not qualify as involvement in hostilities.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:11 am@220
☺️☺️☺️
It’s literally my job to know.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:21 am@254
That’s spin Dave.
That bill would’ve codified up to thousands of illegal immigration per day before any border triggers.
Biden, Democrats, maybe even YOU said the border couldn’t be secured without a bill like this.
The current President exposes the absolute infirmities of that rationale.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:36 am@258
I automatically assume they’re lying.
This process has been so abused, we need to scrap it completely.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:46 amThree Strikes:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:52 amThe beauty of leading a movement based on delusions of martyrdom is that every loss is fodder for a lucrative new fund-raising campaign.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:18 amLike the Kosovo operation (see post 245), the 2011 military intervention in Libya was authorized under the NATO Treaty, in this case to enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973, which (among other actions) imposed a no-fly zone over Libya. When the Libyan operation began (on March 19, 2011), joint command was held by France, the UK, and the United States; but on March 23rd overall command was transferred to NATO.
And as in Kosovo, it was a coalition operation including a total of 19 countries.
The authority to use military force in Libya is provided here. Presidents have generally construed the War Powers Resolution as an infringement on their own constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and to conduct foreign policy.
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Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:31 amMore:
Footnotes omitted.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:44 am#200
Whembly at #200 uses his hospital worker knowledge to demonstrate that part of our medical cost problem is caused by undocumented immigrants using the emergency room. It’s true that is a cost. But that’s only one side of the equation. Undocumented immigrants also pay into social security and Medicare via payroll taxes. Given that they do now want to get caught, or that many self-deport before retirement, they often never collect any of the benefits they don’t pay in.
Appalled (b89ab0) — 6/2/2025 @ 10:58 amSaid the guy who supports the guy who attempted an anti-democratic coup.
Paul Montagu (7d3956) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:16 am@274
Except, most don’t work via the w-2s.
Most, are paid under the table.
You’re conflating things a bit.
If the illegal alien came here under false pretense, aka, asylum claims or temp visas, they can pay into SSN/Medicare via payroll taxes.
But those contributions are miniscule compared to the overall cost of freecare.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:16 am@276 Furthermore, illegal aliens, if they meet certain requirements qualify for other programs. (I think SSI??)
The point being, the idea that their contribution helps support the solvency of the SS Trust Funds ignores the full scope realities that illegal aliens are bar far, a net drain of tax resources.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:20 amThe Kosovo operation was authorized by NATO to enforce UN Security Council resolutions 1160, 1199 and 1203; and to impose the Rambouillet Accords on Yugoslavia.
But the US Congress turned him down; the AUMF failed in the House.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:49 amI hope the Trump administration will eventually withdraw the US as it doesn’t serve our national interests now.
No, we should enforce it, even if we have to enforce it alone. Nuclear proliferation endangers the entire planet — the risk of nuclear war increases with every new player, and it’s not a straight-line curve. Maybe N log(N). Every new player has more than one antagonism.
Trump seems to enjoy being the “bad guy”, why does he waffle on this?
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:53 amAnd Congress indirectly approved the air war by appropriating $13B in emergency funding.
Rather than cut off funds to forces overseas. The War Powers Resolution was supposed to avoid that kind of gun-to-head approval.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:55 amUnder the War Powers Resolution, Clinton would be required to notify Congress, not seek their approval, for a 90-day period. After that, Congressional approval is necessary to continue.
But he asked for an AUMF and it was voted down. Both Bushes asked for an AUMF, and got it, before committing forces.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:57 amOnly about 46% of asylum claims are granted after reaching trial.
It should be 4%. This is way too high given that everyone is told to claim asylum. Is there a standard of proof in the law? Because it looks like they have to allow asylum unless they can fully disprove it.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:01 pmIt’s an article of faith among the maga crowd that every asylum seeker is lying
It’s an absolute fact that everyone attempting entry is told that an asylum claim will give them 10 more years of residence, maybe more, and to make that claim when everything else fails.
Now, I don’t think everyone who claims asylum is lying. Just those who don’t make the claim immediately.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:04 pmBritian to spend 6 billion more pounds on defense including nuclear armed attack bombers.
Britain to build 12 more nuclear-powered attack subs.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:08 pmThere’s nothing wrong with asylum claims if they’re from the right kind of people. You know, like white South Africans.
Come on! MAGA knows that Trump is peddling a racist grift, and they fully support it. That’s what they elected him for.
5 South Africans and suddenly we have the Brown People Replacement Theory. Imagine how MAGA felt about the millions of Central Americans who Biden let in.
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:11 pmThis process has been so abused, we need to scrap it completely.
How about this: If you want to claim asylum, you need to claim it immediately and show substantial evidence. I really have no patience with people who think that someone who entered illegally, dodged authorities for years, then, when caught, claims asylum is not lying through is teeth.
The way to get rid of the backlog is to toss out every claim not made immediately. *Poof*
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:15 pmRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:31 am
So, NATO can declare war on Congress’s behalf?
Kevin M (ca3b70) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:17 pm@286
I’m fine with this.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 12:39 pmCongress couldn’t make up its mind, the House also voted down a resolution that directed the President to remove the Armed Forces from Serbia within 30 days.
On April 28, 1999 the House of Representatives took four votes related to Kosovo. It voted against a declaration of war. It rejected a
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In the end, Congress has three choices: pass an authorization to use military force; deny funding to an Administration for any ongoing foreign interventions, or impeach the President for failing to obtain an AMUF.
Harold Koh, the former Legal Advisor U.S. Department of State (quoted here) made the argument that the Libyan intervention didn’t involve “hostilities” as commonly understood. The same argument can be made about the Kosovo intervention.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 1:51 pmThe real point of getting an AUMF up front is that the Congress is on record as approving the action. They own it, too.
Kevin M (78cf8b) — 6/2/2025 @ 1:53 pmhttps://x.com/guypbenson/status/1929386771168538786
One hundred percent correct. Yet instead ww will hear the usual lies and BS about a nonexistent backlash.
NJRob (618344) — 6/2/2025 @ 1:54 pm@291
Yup.
Its stuff like this that radicalized me to be anti-illegal aliens.
Not sorry…go back home.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/2/2025 @ 1:58 pmEven after the Tonkin Gulf Resolution was repealed by Congress in 1971, the Nixon Administration ignored it and continued the Vietnam War for another four years.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 2:00 pmAs pointed out above, the House couldn’t make up its mind in 1999 (and still can’t now). And when Congress does take concrete action, the President can get away with ignoring it.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 2:03 pmEven after the Tonkin Gulf Resolution was repealed by Congress in 1971, the Nixon Administration ignored it and continued the Vietnam War for another four years.
There are some things you can’t just “repeal.” That was just the mother of ACMs. It’s like trying to cancel your car loan after driving it for 3 years.
We had 500,000 troops in country and an awful lot of our military hardware there in 1968-1969, when Nixon came into office. Nixon reduced that to 157,000 by 1971, 24,000 in 1972 and a mere 50 by 1973. Saigon didn’t fall until 2 years later, but the US was not involved after ’73.
Kevin M (51f51a) — 6/2/2025 @ 2:45 pmVietnam troop levels
Kevin M (51f51a) — 6/2/2025 @ 2:46 pmDazed and confused:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 3:46 pmMaybe we need professionals in charge of law enforcement, instead of Fox News political hacks?
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 3:52 pmMohamad Soliman is a white man according to MSDNC and I’m sure he will be called that by the usual suspects.
Can we deport him after his prison sentence?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:03 pmYou got nothing Dave.
As usual.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:04 pmRip,
you love posting about elections, especially when the leftist candidate wins. Any reason you missed this one since it’s in such a key location?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:18 pmI don’t live in Poland.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:21 pmAlso the President of Poland is mostly a ceremonial office, he is the head of state, but not the head of government.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:24 pmChina’s global favorability rising, views of the U.S. turn negative
Check out the graph.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:25 pmFrom the NYT:
Soliman told police he had been planning the attack for a year.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:38 pmUnfortunate:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:38 pmThe Polish election is not really a change, but preserves the status quo: the out-going president is from the same party as the new one (he was term-limited).
According to the NYT:
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 4:50 pmKavanaugh believes that there isn’t a 5th vote right now. Thomas’ history & tradition test has not held up well, nor does it give predictable results. I think this offends Roberts.
Kevin M (a03a7a) — 6/2/2025 @ 6:23 pmGiven that Roberts and Kavanaugh were in the Bruen majority, I doubt Roberts is offended. Thomas’s “history and tradition” approach is the correct analytic framework for Second Amendment jurisprudence.
Rip Murdock (7d2651) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:26 pmTrumps new bill includes posting bond before you can sue to stop poor from getting justice.
asset (8b28c7) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:32 pmIllegal alien terrorist was working for uber on expired work visa. How many more illegal alien hamas supporters is lyft and uber financing? The capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with. Lenin.
asset (8b28c7) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:35 pmSince the “history and tradition” framework is new (relative to the prior way of analyzing Second Amendment cases), of course the results aren’t “predictable” if one keeps viewing the Second Amendment as something that limits the right to possess firearms.
Rip Murdock (987a66) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:38 pmThey say the guy over-stayed his visa, but they also say he applied for asylum before the visa expired, and that the asylum application was still pending.
Wouldn’t an accepted asylum application have allowed him to remain in the country until his case was decided, regardless of when his original visa expired?
Based on what I understand about the law, he was not in the country illegally unless he failed to meet some requirement to check in, etc, while his asylum application was pending. The police say he had no criminal record prior to the terror attack.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:51 pmMore:
Rip Murdock (7d2651) — 6/2/2025 @ 7:59 pmThe new plan will clearly be written in crayon…
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:03 pm@307 Colorado illegal alien terrorist was unable to buy assault rifle because of gun laws so people are alive who would now be dead.
asset (8b28c7) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:13 pm“It’s literally my job to know.”
– whembly
Very illuminating. I’m sold.
Leviticus (121bb6) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:37 pmOh that’s nice, asset. Gun laws kept people alive. Yay. Guess what, immigration laws would’ve kept people alive and unburned/unmaimed and out of critical condition. I guess what really matters is which laws we choose to blow off.
lloyd (e8f848) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:39 pm@319 All will survive. How many would be dead without gun laws as feeble as they are. Trumps ice was to busy going after teenage volleyball players. Maybe uber is paying trump off to keep their illegal alien terrorists working for them.
asset (8b28c7) — 6/2/2025 @ 8:50 pmThe immigration laws were enforced to the letter Soliman’s case.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:22 pm*in Soliman’s case
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:23 pmDeporting him for overstaying his visa would’ve been within the law. He shouldn’t have gotten a visa anyway, and he was refused one in 2005, again within the law.
lloyd (e8f848) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:39 pmIf he applied for asylum, he didn’t overstay his visa.
Dave (808dd5) — 6/2/2025 @ 9:41 pmHakeem Jeffries to trump “if you arrest NJ congresswoman thats a red line!” Trump I arrested her what you going to do about it? Leader jeffries Don’t do it again or I am going to huff and puff and blow your house down!
asset (8b28c7) — 6/2/2025 @ 10:21 pmthe results aren’t “predictable” if one keeps viewing the Second Amendment as something that limits the right to possess firearms.
Some judges have used that test to approve gun restrictions. You know, the old “they only had muskets” thing.
Kevin M (75889e) — 6/2/2025 @ 11:59 pm313, see your own 307
The history-based test can be used by people who read history differently. It’s not very good.
Kevin M (75889e) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:04 am@307 Colorado illegal alien terrorist was unable to buy assault rifle because of gun laws so people are alive who would now be dead.
He was unable to buy any gun as undocumented immigrants and those legally admitted under non-immigrant visas (especially expired ones) are not permitted to possess ANY firearm. Except in the Northern District of Illinois.
Kevin M (75889e) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:14 amIf he applied for asylum, he didn’t overstay his visa.
This is the kind of argument that plays into Trump’s hands. If the Law is seen to be an ass, then ignoring it will have little political cost. Quite the contrary.
Kevin M (75889e) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:16 amThe Trump triad: Grift, graft, and blame Biden.
nk (c272fd) — 6/3/2025 @ 4:23 am@318
I know…right?
But seriously, one of my responsibilities is the creation and analysis of patient health populations and data modeling using various datasources sources. We provide real-time analysis and reporting on historical/real-time data for leadership and population health management.
So, in short, we need to know various demographic attributes in a given regional patient population so that we can adequately service our patient’s needs.
As such, we know the liklihood of a patient population that is either having insurance or not.
whembly (09d73c) — 6/3/2025 @ 6:21 amThe Biden triad: anti-American, anti-Semitic, and autopen
lloyd (8ff446) — 6/3/2025 @ 7:35 amI have no idea what you’re talking about.
The point of applying for asylum is so you can remain in the country.
The law gives those deemed eligible to apply the benefit of the doubt until a decision on their application is made.
Leaving the country while you have a pending asylum application would void it.
Those are the simple facts.
I think we agree that the law needs changes. A bipartisan bill would have amended the process to reduce the abuse (and not been subject to repeal at the stroke of a pen, like temporary executive orders) but Trump and his knob-polishers torpedoed it.
Dave (8cd95f) — 6/3/2025 @ 8:01 amLOL Trump proved it wasn’t needed.
lloyd (244e42) — 6/3/2025 @ 8:57 amThere is nothing in Judge Wilkinson’s quote that refers to any “history” at all. It’s purely a political statement. Whether “rapid-firing long guns “are military-style weapons designed for sustained combat operations that are ill-suited and disproportionate to the need for self-defense” is irrelevant to the Bruen “history and tradition” standard. Who is he to decide whether an AR-15 (the most popular firearm in America) is “ill-suited and disproportionate” for self-defense?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:12 amIf you read Wilkinson’s majority opinion, it is clear that he is more concerned about a firearms “lethality” and recent mass shootings than any “history or tradition” of banning firearms.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:39 amAppalling:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/3/2025 @ 11:51 amBoulder terror suspect’s wife and five kids are arrested
lloyd (0db2b9) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:21 pmI think we agree that the law needs changes. A bipartisan bill would have amended the process to reduce the abuse
The bill that was offered did not address the abuse. To do that they would have to eliminate the ability to claim asylum after 10 years of illegal presence with utterly no evidence whatsoever, gaining at least 10 more years, this time with a green card.
What will happen is that ALL asylum will be eliminated from the law in the near future. Biden and the Democrats could have proposed something that would have reformed the system, but what they proposed actually cemented parts of Biden’s EOs into law. Sure, the rate of admissions would have decreased, but that was not actual reform; quite the contrary.
Kevin M (df14a9) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:34 pmit is clear that he is more concerned about a firearms “lethality” and recent mass shootings than any “history or tradition” of banning firearms.
What about the history and tradition of banning particularly lethal firearms? Sawed-off shotguns, machine guns, etc.
As I said, they just pick different history.
Kevin M (df14a9) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:36 pmFrom Judge Wilkinson’s opinion (page 20-22)
Plenty of history about lethal weapons and statutes banning them. Of course, he handwaves the connection to AR-15s, but it not unreasonable to say that the weapons have been used in mass casualty attacks. Denying that is impossible. A better approach is to demonstrate that the weapons ARE useful in self-defense and are employed that way far more often than the more publicized attacks.
For home defense, I’d prefer a handgun. Or maybe a short-barreled shotgun which was designed as a close-quarters weapon. Any long gun, and particularly one that will go through 3 walls, is not idea for home defense.
Kevin M (b56396) — 6/3/2025 @ 12:53 pmMost of the citations are from the 20th or 21st century; no discussion of firearm regulation at the time the Second Amendment was written or in subsequent decades.
Aren’t weapons supposed to be “lethal”?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/3/2025 @ 1:08 pmThose bans should be overturned in due course.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/3/2025 @ 1:13 pm@Rip@342 There were a lot of gun laws in the West in the 19th century. Mostly of the no guns in town variety, but also sometimes about the sorts of guns allowed.
Nic (120c94) — 6/3/2025 @ 8:16 pmFamily of Colorado firebomber held by ICE for deportation. Apparently, the entire family entered on a tourist visa in the recent past.
There is some dispute about the legality of this move, of course.
Kevin M (04ae02) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:44 pmMost of the citations are from the 20th or 21st century
You said “no history”, now it’s the wrong sort of history. Which is basically my point about the inadequacy of Thomas’ test.
Kevin M (04ae02) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:45 pmThose bans should be overturned in due course.
Since a short-barrel shotgun is a decent home defense weapon, especially for the aim-challenged, I could see that being overturned. It makes more sense than an AR-15 in a sheetrock house.
Kevin M (04ae02) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:47 pmHegseth orders Navy strip oiler ship USNS Harvey Milk of name
They waited to do it during Pride month…
Dave (a8f32e) — 6/3/2025 @ 9:57 pm@348 Pride month celebrates the stonewall riots of june 1969 It is the text book case of how you deal with those who say never when you say now! The first night when lesbian Marlyn Fowler fought back and forced the gay men to join her. By the end of the first night a hundred cops were battling hundreds of gays and their supporters. The next night a hundred police officers marched to the stonewall bar as gays thru change at them for being on the take. (see movie prince of the city) At the end of the second night nearly a thousand police officers were fighting with a crowed of thousands. (gay and anti war protesters joining in.) The third night 5,000 police marched to the stonewall bar ;but now the news media was reporting on the riots and their were over 15,000/20,000 ready to fight with more coming to join. Law enforcement saw they were out numbered by people ready to fight. and said lets negotiate this! That was the start of gay civil rights.
asset (6868cb) — 6/4/2025 @ 1:49 amI doubt any of his kids were born in America, and his wife had to be complicit or had knowledge of his year-long effort to shoot flames at Jews. I’m not having kittens over deporting the rest of his family.
Paul Montagu (cc41fa) — 6/4/2025 @ 6:42 amIf one of the kids was born in America, and is still a minor, should the mother be able to decide if that child will go with her if she is deported? Or should the American citizen child stay here if NeverTrump/Democrats decree it so?
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 6:48 am“Decree”? Unserious.
Paul Montagu (cc41fa) — 6/4/2025 @ 6:59 amI’m glad we agree, Paul.
I never understood why people wanted to separate that one child from her deported mother. It was very unserious. This is good progress. 👍
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:07 amIsn’t the point, BuDuh, that’s up to the parents, not Trump’s decree*, whether to keep their American children in America or take them with, no?
That choice was denied the father of VML.
It’s weird that you’re tying to dishonestly couple NeverTrump with Democrats. It’s practically trollish.
* “an official order issued by a legal authority”
Paul Montagu (cc41fa) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:19 am–Oxford
So what? If the courts don’t cite them in their rulings to support their arguments they’re irrelevant.
It’s not “the wrong sort of history” it’s irrelevant history. 20th and 21st century laws and court decisions have nothing to say about the Founders’ understanding of the Second Amendment when it was written and how the states implemented that understanding.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:25 amIn the middle-east, muslim women are rarely considered equals by their partners, and I think it would be out of character to involve the wife in a matter outside the home.
I think you’re making unsupported assumptions. It’s possible, but the fact he left a recording behind explaining his crime to his family is evidence to the contrary.
It’s inevitable that they’ll be deported, regardless.
Dave (1725ea) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:25 am@356 “in a matter outside the home”
LOL
lloyd (1fecd2) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:31 amIf one of the kids was born in America, and is still a minor
Reports said they are all Egyptian citizens, here on tourist visas.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:48 amAnecdotally, the guy’s family seems to have been well thought of (from NYT):
Dave (1725ea) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:06 amIt’s not “the wrong sort of history” it’s irrelevant history.
Pretty sure that Thomas’s test did not limit the discussion to the Founders’ era. “History and tradition” of gun laws encompasses more recent history, particularly as firearms are not the same as in the Founders’ era.
The evolution of American gun regulations — and Bruen and Heller both state that there could be some regulation — follows the evolution of firearms themselves. What the Bruen test attempts to do is identify outliers — regulations that are different in kind, scope or degree from longstanding and/or common regulations.
The National Firearms Act of 1934 specifically limited the types of weapons that were available to the public. It is a historic marker for weapons that are deemed “too dangerous” as well as those that are presumed to be “safe.” Did you know that the NRA signed off on that?
So, you have the historic semi-auto M1911 protecting all modern semi-auto handguns, and possibly those with larger magazines — there are 1911 versions with 12 rounds of .45ACP, which has a phenomenal capacity for force projection. And you have “machine guns” like the Thompson assigning all automatic weapons to the forbidden list.
This is what the history and tradition test has as a modern basis. Don’t like that, tough.
But what it WILL do is strike down things like California’s handgun registry, where handguns that don’t have “loaded” indicators or have barrels that are “too short” or hold too many rounds are disallowed. These are all modern legal inventions and cannot pass Thomas’ test. The too many rounds thing is also perverse. If I can only have 10 rounds, they aren’t going to be some wussy .30 things. They’re going to be the nastiest .45 I can find. I suspect that’s what they’ll outlaw next.
Where does the AR-15 fall? I’d say the judge got it wrong and semi-auto weapons are historically allowed (as they are in 40-some states today). But the judge did cite history and tradition. He bent it to his goal, but he did follow the required forms.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:17 amIt’s inevitable that they’ll be deported, regardless.
Even if they were not, they’d find extending their visa quite difficult.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:22 amI note that California has decided not to defend their regulation that handguns have the fantasy feature called “microstamping.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:26 amWhether the NRA endorsed the National Firearms Act in 1934 is irrelevant. In Bruen, the Court provided a framework for assessing “history and tradition”:
Source. Footnotes omitted.
Using 20th and 21st century laws and court decisions as sources of “history and tradition” are “late-in-time outliers.” They have very little relevance to what the Founders and states thought the Second Amendment meant throughout American history.
Again, Wilkinson’s Fourth Circuit opinion regarding Maryland’s ban on AR-15s lacked any historic analysis about firearm possession, as your quote above indicates; it focused on “dangerous and unusual weapons”, a historic analysis that is irrelevant to whether ordinary, law abiding citizens can possess such firearms.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:43 amAs noted above, Thomas’ majority opinion “declined to weigh in on whether the prevailing historical understanding for analytical purposes should be pegged to when the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791 or when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868” which pretty much eliminates the 20th century as a source of “history and tradition.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:47 amEmbrace the power of “If” when it is used in a hypothetical and you will have more free time to be an expert in everything else, Kevin.
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:14 amSo if the Colorado Man asks for the hypothetical citizen child to remain in America, and not be deported as the mother requested, you would hope that the government kept the child here?
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:18 amThomas’ majority opinion “declined to weigh in on…”
Bruen was about personal carry, not about types of arms. The “history and tradition” of carrying firearms is much the same regardless of whether they are flintlock pistols or modern Glocks. The NY law did not differentiate, and neither does the history of limiting public carry.
The difference between 1791 and 1868 is pretty clear: Far more people in 1868 were considered citizens and access to arms was easier in 1868. Thomas is pretty keen on that aspect. He views restrictions on who can have a gun through the prism of Jim Crow and the 1870-1890 judicial negation of the “privileges or immunities” clause of the 14th.
But the history of firearms TYPES is hardly as static as the history of firearms CARRY. Reading Bruen as limiting the “history and tradition” test in a non-static category of regulations, to the same rules as an historically static set, is really not very convincing.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:25 amEmbrace the power of “If” when it is used in a hypothetical and you will have more free time to be an expert in everything else, Kevin.
You’re the one using “if.” I see no reason to make this a hypothetical.
The gratuitous slam noted.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:29 amI used the “if” in a hypothetical. You countered the hypothetical by introducing an irrelevant fact. Is that not obvious?
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:30 amSo if the Colorado Man asks for the hypothetical citizen child to remain in America, and not be deported as the mother requested, you would hope that the government kept the child here?
Two words: Elián González. Where it was done the other way.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:31 amI used the “if” in a hypothetical.
And I refused to play.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:31 amElián González was born in America and an American citizen.
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:34 amDerp
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:34 amOK, but he was still deported despite his father’s objections [image].
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:37 amDerp
Now we call names? What a powerful debating technique you have.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:39 amSorry.. not playing your game.
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:40 amNew topic:
Musk turns up the criticism of Trump and his BBB.
“Gee, Elon, what a fine car company you have. Be terrible if something happened to it.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:41 amElián González was born in Cárdenas, Cuba.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:45 amRip. You magnificent ________!!! I am proud of you!
It was probably possible for you to understand why I made that comment, but you went with your instinct instead.
Keep being you. It is awesome! 👍
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:49 amKeep being you. It is something! 💩
Kevin M (a9545f) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:53 amKevin agrees, Rip. 🥳
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 10:57 amCargo Ship Vanished In Smoke With 3,000 Cars And EVs Still Trapped Below Deck
BuDuh (a0915c) — 6/4/2025 @ 11:02 amHarvey Milk, who raped a 16 year old boy.
When would be the right time, Dave?
lloyd (fb630f) — 6/4/2025 @ 12:17 pmKevin agrees, Rip.
Rip may infuriate me at times, but I don’t think I’ve ever called him names or been intentionally rude.
Kevin M (a5bffb) — 6/4/2025 @ 12:18 pmHigh school is forced to apologize and pay up to student they suspended for using term ‘illegal alien’ in class
lloyd (fb630f) — 6/4/2025 @ 12:30 pmAn arrest in the Palm Springs IVF clinic bombing:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 1:52 pmBest and final offers:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 1:59 pmMalcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/unforgiving-places-jens-ludwig-book-review?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_Free_060325&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5bea0ae624c17c6adf15d819&cndid=43419736&hasha=cce09050cbdd152300b2f2a836abe330&hashb=6a78e60f496fa440f7313bc48231bd66ebe21168&hashc=4effd181cc9e609cb49930cec222478c2728b4bb60586d610cdb45488bd38430&esrc=bx_multi1st_dailyext&mbid=CRMNYR012019
How can this be a surprise? Everyone knew this. There is the term “bad neighborhood” This shows you is wrong with the humanities and with “science in that field.
These “people” must have been really living in an ivory tower or were covering up.
The cause is differential law enforcement, and the reason some people commit crimes more than others is differential association.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:07 pmIran will never get a better deal:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:11 pmhttps://www.newser.com/story/360824/inside-a-mysterious-scandalous-art-heist.html
A famous picture of Winston Churchill. It was discovered replaced and later recovered.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:33 pmLovely:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/us/boulder-colorado-terror-attack
AP is trash.
This judge is a radical Biden Judge.
The entire family overstayed their visa.
whembly (1edd17) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:41 pmThe problem with deporting visa overstayers is finding them. Relative to the total number of illegal immigrants, their number is small. According the Customs and Border Protection (CPB), in 2023 (the most recent available data):
Entry/Exit Overstay Report Fiscal Year 2023. The report’s tables include a breakdown by country. The data is derived from the number of travelers arriving by air or sea. Unlike all other countries, the majority of travelers from Canada or Mexico enter the United States by land.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:48 pmSo how does ICE divide up the family’s possessions? Who gets the lady’s wedding ring and who gets the kids’ clothes?
Does ICE cut their hair to sell to wigmakers before they “shower” and change into their striped pajamas?
nk (f97382) — 6/4/2025 @ 2:57 pmNo they didn’t.
They applied for asylum and were waiting for a decision.
Dave (1725ea) — 6/4/2025 @ 3:12 pmTrump looking for peace deal with Iran. Israel and sen. schumer say no! Is schumer representing new york who doesn’t want war or Israel (bibi) who does? AOC 2028.
asset (dd42e1) — 6/4/2025 @ 3:20 pmThe timeline as we know it:
August 2022: Arrived with a 6-month tourist visa
September 2022: Applied for asylum; their visa had not yet expired. Once their asylum application went in, they could not leave the country without invalidating the application.
March 2023: Granted work permit; the work permit was granted exactly 6 months after the asylum application, which is the waiting period the asylum statute requires.
March 2025: Work permit expired.
June 2025: According to DHS, their asylum application was still pending.
Dave (1725ea) — 6/4/2025 @ 3:21 pmMigrants flown to El Salvador under Alien Enemies Act must be allowed to challenge their removal, federal judge rules
Dave (1725ea) — 6/4/2025 @ 4:12 pmboth parties have agreed not to record or publicly discuss the confidential apology.
Yeah, sure. “We’re sorry that we overreacted to your racist screed.”
Kevin M (ba5c88) — 6/4/2025 @ 4:48 pm“To the American side and others we say: Why are you interfering and trying to say whether Iran should have uranium enrichment or not? That’s none of your business,” Khamenei said on X.
They signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and got aid in constructing their nuclear industry in return. Their independence on this matter ended the day they signed.
Kevin M (ba5c88) — 6/4/2025 @ 4:54 pmJune 2025: According to DHS, their asylum application was still pending.
Imagine how fast that will move now.
Kevin M (ba5c88) — 6/4/2025 @ 4:56 pmIran can just as easily walk away from the NNPT. There are no consequences from doing so, except that outside nations will impose sanctions.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 5:50 pm> Absent this relief, the Government could snatch anyone off the street, turn him over to a foreign country, and then effectively foreclose any corrective course of action
Exactly. This is a power the government *wants* and which it *must not have*… because if it does, then *nobody* is safe.
aphrael (88711f) — 6/4/2025 @ 5:50 pmTrump Administration imposes new travel ban:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/4/2025 @ 5:55 pmThe treaty prohibits manufacture of nuclear weapons, and requires safeguards to verify compliance.
It does not prohibit uranium enrichment.
Dave (b1d5bc) — 6/4/2025 @ 6:19 pm@396
No, Dave, we know more than this.
2005: Applied for a visa and the Bush administration denied it.
It took an anti-American and anti-Semitic Biden administration to let him into the country and terrorize law abiding citizens. Now that he and his family are all here, they get all the rights and privileges they never should’ve had.
lloyd (b132a5) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:48 pmThe same “anti-Semitic” Biden administration that committed US forces to combat in the defense of Israel, not once, but twice?
Dave (b1d5bc) — 6/4/2025 @ 7:53 pmTrump banning foreigners from entering U.S. to study at Harvard
Dave (b1d5bc) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:00 pm@406 LOL Yes, Dave, the anti-Semitic Biden administration filled with Hamas-supporting State department employees, which refused to fire Hamas supporters in DHS, and which leaked war plans to Iran. Were you thinking of s different Biden administration?
lloyd (b132a5) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:11 pmThe same anti-Semitic Biden administration which refused to do anything about Jewish students threatened for just walking on campus and prevented from going to class.
lloyd (b132a5) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:19 pm@402 I like it! I will prepare a list of undesirables to be sent cuba, venezuela and Iran for AOC and Jasmine crockett for 2028.
asset (1fd340) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:19 pmTrump orders sweeping probe into Biden’s presidency and aides who controlled autopen during his cognitive decline
lloyd (b132a5) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:41 pm@408 Former P.L.O. spokeswoman Nejwa Ali was hired by the Trump administration.
Supposedly anti-Semitic DHS director Alejandro Majorkas is Jewish, and his mother’s family of Rumanian Jews fled the Nazis and barely escaped the Holocaust.
State Department employees expressing unease with thousands of civilian deaths is not “Hamas-supporting”. Or is it your position that the actions of Israel’s government require the absolute and unquestioning approval of every American?
Dave (b1d5bc) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:46 pm@412
She was fired by the Trump administration after Biden gave her paid leave for 16 months. Hiring her was a mistake. Biden refusing to fire her was intentional. Anti-semitism is an act of intent, not error.
So what. So were kapos.
They weren’t expressing unease. They were opposing US support of Israel while it’s citizens were held hostage.
Switch “Israel” to “Ukraine” and answer that question. I don’t unquestioningly approve either.
lloyd (b132a5) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:05 pmYou don’t even know if any of their kids is-are citizens.
Paul Montagu (7eb32e) — 6/4/2025 @ 9:25 pmPolice quickly suspected a man detained by ICE was framed for Trump death threat. Then Kristi Noem accused him of the crime.
Colonel Klink (ret) (9dbb75) — 6/5/2025 @ 12:32 amKarine jean-pierre says she cant find a job and is writing a book because she is a black lesbian. Can we give Karine some coding advice for future employment?
asset (1fd340) — 6/5/2025 @ 12:53 amFor years I have pointed out how corporate establishment democrats are donor class stooges who stand for nothing and when the donor class says jump they ask how high. They hate Bernie Sanders, AOC, David Hogg or any other progressive populist who threatens the corporate deep states donor class. The left knew that they would be the scape goat so held their nose and supported biden so the establishment has know one to blame for biden ;but themselves. The democrat corporate establishment know the donor class will not tolerate them going economic populism and social justice just cost them the election so they jump around singing and dancing terrified of being primaried.
asset (1fd340) — 6/5/2025 @ 1:59 amIt was a hypothetical exercise. It didn’t pan out. Oh well.
BuDuh (25e573) — 6/5/2025 @ 4:55 amDid Demetric Scott make up this part of the DHS statement on the Wisconsin Man?
Hopefully a high power law firm can help him.
BuDuh (25e573) — 6/5/2025 @ 5:00 amhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3N6zy9iUsk&pp=0gcJCbEJAYcqIYzv
More heroes…
BuDuh (25e573) — 6/5/2025 @ 5:28 amCounterfeit coin has always been the MAGA currency, but nothing rings more hollow than Trump’s guttersnipe crew of fools and grifters claiming to be against anti-Semitism.
nk (bb1548) — 6/5/2025 @ 6:10 amOne, the issue was about the mother’s choice–not Trump’s–to keep her American child in the US. Unlike the VML situation, the father forfeited that choice because he’s a terrorist and will be behind bars for decades.
Two, I advise avoiding hypotheticals as much as possible.
Paul Montagu (7eb32e) — 6/5/2025 @ 6:47 amBe patient, nk. Every Jew is destined to have their “coming to Jesus” moment.
lloyd (f6d841) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:08 amIs there a minimum legal problem the father can have that would also forfeit that choice?
BuDuh (25e573) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:14 amEpstein, Nellie Ohr, the Colorado terrorist.
The most transparent, honest and pro American FBI we’ve ever had.
Kudos to Patel, Bongino, and Bondi. A great start.
lloyd (f6d841) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:15 am@411
I mean, it’ll be good to determine exactly what happened… but, I doubt there’s any recourse here, even if they can 100% prove that Biden didn’t know what he was signing.
whembly (fd4d5d) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:20 am@414
If they’re minors, if they can stay with someone legally here, fine. But, sending children (even if their citizen) with their deported parents is not deporting the children.
It’s the parents taking their kids with them.
Furthermore, any child of any terroristic parent is admissible as well as shown in section ((B) Terrorist activities).
In short, US government can deport the whole family immediately when the father is on video spouting/enacting terror acts.
whembly (fd4d5d) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:27 am“is inadmissible”
whembly (fd4d5d) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:27 amWhy would an imprisoned criminal with zero ability to raise a child have a say? I keep going back to that VML example for reason.
Paul Montagu (7eb32e) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:29 amWould a father who was illegally present in the US have more of a say? If so, why?
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:49 amIt does not prohibit uranium enrichment.
Not per se, but highly enriched uranium has little other purose.
Kevin M (e6af63) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:59 amGood news:
Supreme Court unanimously rejects different standards for non-minorities in discrimination claims. Opinion by Ketanji Brown Jackson.
Kevin M (e6af63) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:02 amI mean, it’ll be good to determine exactly what happened… but, I doubt there’s any recourse here, even if they can 100% prove that Biden didn’t know what he was signing.
Actions that Edith Wilson took when her husband was disabled were never undone.
Kevin M (e6af63) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:05 amMore good news:
Trump Administration Threatens to Pull Funding for California High-Speed Rail
Kevin M (6308a1) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:09 amSupremes unanimously throw out Mexico’s suit against Smith & Wesson, based on no plausible showing of supporting facts and limitations of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Kagan.
Kevin M (6308a1) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:19 amSupreme Court unanimously rules in favor of Catholic Charities, who were denied an exemption for UI taxes that were available to other religious groups. Strict scrutiny. Sotomayor.
Kevin M (f1f8da) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:28 amSupreme Court unanimously strikes down 9th Circuit’s judge-made addition to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, allowing a company whose valid satellite leases were terminated by India in violation of contract to recover a billion dollars in damages. Alito
Kevin M (f1f8da) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:31 amThe opinion as written from Kevin’s 8:02am:
McDonnell Douglas Corp. v. Green is a very important case and has been relied on since 1973. Now we find out that the current Supreme Court unanimously decided that a major component of that case was open enough to interpretation that it has been abused. Abused all the way up to the 6th Circuit. So now the highest court has clarified McDonnell Douglas to a degree that the “McDonnell Douglas Test,” or at least its application, has been altered significantly.
Now substitute Wong Kim Ark and the question of misinterpretation and abuse in the lower courts.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:34 amThomas’s concurrence opening line:
More to think about in a WKA revisit. There is nothing in the narrow holding of WKA that supports birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens parents that are unlawfully present. If there was someone would quote it rather than portions of dicta.
BuDuh (c85533) — 6/5/2025 @ 8:45 amWe’ll see; at the earliest it will be next term when the merits challenge to Trump’s birthright citizenship EO comes before the Court.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:06 amOne wonders why none of the conservative justices, including Thomas, didn’t say anything in response to the arguments from the Court’s liberal justices who were outspoken in view that the EO violated the Constitution during the May 15th hearing.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:12 amKevin M @435-437:
All with opinions written by the Court’s liberal wing.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:15 amhttps://gifdb.com/images/high/thanks-captain-obvious-meme-ro45w7sir8ulgmwb.gif
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:16 amSo much for divided court panicking.
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:17 amYes, it is quite a wonder that the conservative judges didn’t engage the liberal judges about something that was not before the court on May 15th.
🙄
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:20 amOr they didn’t disagree with what was being said.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:22 amDidn’t engage with content that was unrelated to the matter before the court?
Another shocker.
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:26 amDoes anyone else miss the Rip 1.0 that only dealt with facts in evidence and refused to speculate?
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:34 amFurther speculation: Those who think Wong Kim Ark will be “revisited” and overturned by the Court will be severely disappointed.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:44 amWow!
BuDuh (91cb3a) — 6/5/2025 @ 9:47 amChinese Missouri “Soccer Mom” released from ICE detention:
ICE won’t meet its goal of 3,000 arrests per day this way.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/5/2025 @ 10:00 amAKA catch and release.
Rip Murdock (27f597) — 6/5/2025 @ 10:07 amhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930703865801810022
lmao
(screenshot in case he deletes: https://i.imgur.com/Gk3fKlY.png)
Davethulhu (468890) — 6/5/2025 @ 12:24 pmThe Internet Archive or Wayback Machine has some problems now archiving X-Twitter. When I try, I get this message:
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/5/2025 @ 2:35 pmwhembly (fd4d5d) — 6/5/2025 @ 7:27 am
The problem for them probably is that their status depended upon that of the father. There may be a problem in trying to use expedited meoval for them since the Administration extended the time period for its use only up to 2 years present in the country. The father apparently attempted to come to the United States in 2005, and was refused, and decided instead to work in Kuwait. In 2022 he got a tourist visa to the United States (they check mostly for finances and if someone is on a watch list) and applied for asylum at the earliest possible date (?) which was when his visa expired and the period a tourist visa is good for since 9/11 is 6 months instead of one year. He even got a work permit but that expired in March after two years. He says he did not tell his family what he was planning to do, and left messages for them on a phone. He said that he postponed it till his daughter graduated high school. If he had realized his family would lose his right to say in the United States he might not have committed the act. He expected to die. But was afraid to kill himself in the end.
Boulder, Colorado has been plagued by “pro-Palestinian” protesters demanding that the City Council pass the kind of resolution they favor and they disrupted meetings but he appears to have had no connection with them (beyond possibly reading the same propaganda except that the leaders of the protesters undoubtedly knew and understood it contained falsehoods and that’s why they attempted to use force and reason)
He lived some miles away and he found out about the run or walk for the hostages (apparently based on the same kind of thinking that combats breast cancer by a walk or run) by searching online for something to attack.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/5/2025 @ 2:51 pm* If he had realized his family would lose their right to stay in the United States he might not have committed the act.
I wonder how many people contemplate committing such a crime and pull back.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/5/2025 @ 2:53 pmDave (b1d5bc) — 6/4/2025 @ 8:46 pm
About half did. Those who did not live in territory Romania transferred to Hungary in 1940 after arbitration by Hitler (most of whom were killed in 1944) and who did not in territory Romania annexed from the Soviet Union in 1941 and who were not murdered in earlier pogroms dating back I think to 1937 or drafted into the army and put to dangerous work.
In Romania, the Holocaust abruptly stopped in 1942 with the first warning by Secretary of State Cordell Hull and the Allies that they would be punished after the war.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/5/2025 @ 3:02 pmI think it is impossible for a president to know everything and everything about what he is signing. He has to rely on aides to tell him.
Trump says he doesn’t use Autopen for important matters.
I think it was Obama who established the precedent that Autopen could be used with verbal authorization. There was a prior opinion by the George W Bush Justice Department that a president could direct a subordinate to affix his signature.
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2011/05/27/136724009/obamas-autopen-signing-of-patriot-act-raises-eyebrows-has-unlikely-ally
In 1986 Admiral John Poindexter expected President Ronald Reagan to approve a covert action finding on Iran in January 6, 1986 but he did not, and Poindexter tore up the paper which Reagan had signed, unknowing what it was.
He later approved a somewhat different Covert Action Finding on January 17, 1986.
There is much confusion about this. Poindexter claimed that President Reagan signed it “by mistake.”
https://time.com/archive/6709954/the-admiral-takes-the-hit
I thought he tore it up after the meeting. I must look elsewhere.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-03-13-mn-176-story.html
I never realized that it was signed some days before. I remember hearing testimony that Poindexter (gave?) that he tore it up because it was signed by mistake.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 6/5/2025 @ 3:18 pm