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5/27/2025

Trump Admits To Helping Russia

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:10 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Well, neither possibility is a good look: POTUS admitting that he has been coming to the aid of Russia to prevent some sort of calamity from happening (possibly a well-deserved one for waging war on sovereign nation?), or he’s lying. Knowing what we know about Trump, however, both options seem very plausible. I guess the question is: From which option does he personally benefit the most? IOW, from which option does he stand to make the most money for the Trump brand?

If he has indeed been helping Russia, then that would confirm a treasonous act by a sitting president. Given that he has continually blamed Ukraine for the war, flip-flopped on increasing sanctions on Russia, and even cut off vital lines of communication to Ukraine for a period of time (because he was mad at Zelensky), I don’t doubt that has gone even further to aid Russia. This sitting U.S. president gets no benefit of the doubt from me. He doesn’t deserve it. And how utterly sad is that. . .

—Dana

44 Responses to “Trump Admits To Helping Russia”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (d9a0be)

  2. Dateline: Berlin, April 27, 1945.

    Ha, ha, ha!

    “What Vladimir Putin doesn’t realize …”

    Donnie, you really have seen a doctor right away for that case of syphilis no matter how scared you were your daddy might find out.

    nk (41bebf)

  3. It’s not Vladimir Putin whose brain is a Swiss cheese, Donnie.

    And his lackeys are not a guttersnipe crew of grifters and fools.

    nk (41bebf)

  4. you really *should* have seen

    nk (41bebf)

  5. Vladimir Putin may be the only person that Trump talks to who actually understands what he’s doing.

    John Boddie (dcf99c)

  6. POTUS admitting that he has been coming to the aid of Russia to prevent some sort of calamity from happening (possibly a well-deserved one for waging war on sovereign nation?), or he’s lying. Knowing what we know about Trump, however, both options seem very plausible.

    It’s both.

    Trump is exaggerating what he prevented – probably an attack or attacks by Ukraine on Russia. And this is no secret. He may have prevented less than Biden did.

    Or he may be talking about sanctions. Trump probably wants his message to carry both meanings.

    Trump doesn’t want to escalate but he wants to convinced Putin that he might – it’s ecaate and also impose severe secondary sanctions like in the Senate bill.

    https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/05/27/senate-republicans-chuck-grassley-lindsey-graham-sanctions-trump-putin-

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09)

  7. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/27/2025 @ 1:25 pm

    his legislation will require passing the House and surviving a Presidential veto; neither of which is likely to happen.

    Trump just told Putin he owes him for that.

    Owes him what?? Maybe a ceasefire.

    This won’t work because Putin is not convinced that Trump could sign that bill.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09)

  8. His only way out here is to bring NATO in support of Ukraine.

    Kevin M (a9545f)

  9. Lmao of course he’s been helping Russia. But his supporters won’t care.

    Time123 (f6b2d2)

  10. But I’m reminded of the fact that most of the dumb stuff the the buffoon says can best be understood by inserting “it would be best for me if you believed “ahead of the sentence.

    Time123 (f6b2d2)

  11. This won’t work because Putin is not convinced that Trump could sign (the Sanctioning Russia Act of 2025).

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/27/2025 @ 3:58 pm

    Lindsay Graham’s sanction legislation, despite having 82 co-sponsors, is DOA in the House (whose version only has 26). There is no way that it will be allowed to be put up for a vote. And even if it was, Trump would veto it and there aren’t the votes in either house to override.

    His only way out here is to bring NATO in support of Ukraine.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 5/27/2025 @ 5:02 pm

    Which is as about as likely as Trump signing Graham’s sanctions bill; which is to mean not at all. To have Trump “bring NATO in support of Ukraine” would require the leopard to change its spots; when has Trump ever reversed himself on a major policy question? NATO already supports Ukraine; but there is no popular support to do anything that involves combat. The election results over the past few years in Germany, France, and Italy show that.

    I don’t think Europe wants to test Putin’s threats to attack any European country that involves itself in combat in Ukraine. He just might mean it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  12. Why does he need a sanctions bill? He’s got a phone and a pen.

    Kevin M (a9545f)

  13. To have Trump “bring NATO in support of Ukraine” would require the leopard to change its spots; when has Trump ever reversed himself on a major policy question?

    He’s changed his tariff stand a dozen times and he’s not done with it yet. The really funny thing is that his supporters would be behind him 1000%.

    Kevin M (7ab026)

  14. It’s a feeble attempt by Congress to pretend to be relevant.

    Rip Murdock (d6d95d)

  15. He’s changed his tariff stand a dozen times and he’s not done with it yet. The really funny thing is that his supporters would be behind him 1000%.

    Kevin M (7ab026) — 5/27/2025 @ 7:25 pm

    The only position that Trump has taken is anti-NATO; if he dragged NATO (which would include the US) into combat in Ukraine, he would betray his base. Not gonna happen.

    Rip Murdock (d6d95d)

  16. True, but he hasn’t rejected the idea of tariffs entirely. A switch to supporting NATO would be the equivalent of opposing tariffs in Toto.

    Rip Murdock (d6d95d)

  17. I’ll only believe that Trump has turned on Putin when there’s some follow-up concrete action such as sanctions, tariffs, secondary sanctions and tariffs, and a new military aid package to Ukraine. The only way for peace to really happen, IMO, is to push Putin back and show the world he’s really losing.

    Paul Montagu (4700f1)

  18. @17

    The only way for peace to really happen, IMO, is to push Putin back and show the world he’s really losing.

    Paul Montagu (4700f1) — 5/27/2025 @ 9:45 pm

    You sure about that?

    None of you, accept Dave I believe, has really offered a plan to do just that.

    Just giving Ukraine “x”, apparently isn’t going to change this war much.

    It appears its going to take the plucky Ukrainians plus something to push Putin back.

    What is this “something”?

    whembly (551929)

  19. I’ll only believe that Trump has turned on Putin when there’s some follow-up concrete action such as sanctions, tariffs, secondary sanctions and tariffs, and a new military aid package to Ukraine.

    I agree; Trump says “everything is on the table” but the table hasn’t been set. I’ll bet he will just walk away from Ukraine. His peace deal is 128 days behind schedule.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  20. None of you, accept Dave I believe, has really offered a plan to do just that.

    Just giving Ukraine “x”, apparently isn’t going to change this war much.

    It appears its going to take the plucky Ukrainians plus something to push Putin back.

    What is this “something”?

    whembly (551929) — 5/28/2025 @ 8:44 am

    A full throated statement from President Trump to defend Europe if Russia attacks NATO; allowing Ukraine freedom to attack any targets in Russia; provide NATO air cover to Ukraine forces; and mining of Russian ports.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  21. @20

    whembly (551929) — 5/28/2025 @ 8:44 am

    A full throated statement from President Trump to defend Europe if Russia attacks NATO;

    Okay. Sure.

    allowing Ukraine freedom to attack any targets in Russia;

    They’re pretty much already there w/o going into a fullscale war.

    provide NATO air cover to Ukraine forces;

    With EU NATO air assets I presume?

    That’s a massive escalation. You think that’d work? Would you be concerned if Russia puts tactical nukes on the table?

    and mining of Russian ports.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/28/2025 @ 8:56 am

    That would be causi belli for world war.

    The biggest question in all of this… is this something Europe wants? Because they’re going to have to provide all the manpower to do so.

    There’s zero appetite for US troops/assets in the region to do any of those things.

    whembly (551929)

  22. A full throated statement from President Trump to defend Europe if Russia attacks NATO;

    Okay. Sure.

    Given his well-documented antipathy toward Europe in general and NATO in particular, he can’t bring himself to do so.

    provide NATO air cover to Ukraine forces;

    With EU NATO air assets I presume?

    That’s a massive escalation. You think that’d work? Would you be concerned if Russia puts tactical nukes on the table?

    No, all NATO air assets. It’s time to call Putin’s nuclear bluffing. Every one of his nuclear redlines has been crossed, yet nothing has happened. If Putin uses tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, he should expect massive retaliation from NATO. As Kevin M has pointed out, Britain and France have independent nuclear forces that can reach Moscow.

    and mining of Russian ports.

    That would be causi belli for world war.

    The biggest question in all of this… is this something Europe wants? Because they’re going to have to provide all the manpower to do so.

    Not necessarily.

    There’s zero appetite for US troops/assets in the region to do any of those things.

    Sadly, that is true.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  23. None of you, accept Dave I believe, has really offered a plan to do just that.

    Except I have, and not short-changing Ukraine on weapons for once is a plan.
    Putin’s reign is like any other hardline Russian regime, hard on the surface but brittle and prone to collapse. He’s aided by his top-shelf propaganda operation, so a key prong to defeating him is to flush out those operations and counter them, if the West answers that call. The problem is that the TACO won’t do it, not without sufficient motivation.

    All these Russian Gen Xers and Zers are on Telegram and, when they see Putin’s confirmed failures on the battlefield and the lives he’s cost their country, it’s a matter of time before a general or top spy takes care of business.

    TACO = Trump Always Chickens Out.

    Paul Montagu (e0abdb)

  24. @23

    it’s a matter of time before a general or top spy takes care of business.

    Paul Montagu (e0abdb) — 5/28/2025 @ 9:31 am

    That’s doing a herculean lift to support your premise.

    For me, I think the world has to wait till Putin dies of old age.

    whembly (551929)

  25. it’s a matter of time before a general or top spy takes care of business.

    Paul Montagu (e0abdb) — 5/28/2025 @ 9:31 am

    Only when Russia starts to lose and they feel threatened.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  26. Putin is a strong leader. He has control of his country.

    nk (e84530)

  27. I really dont understand this:

    If he has indeed been helping Russia, then that would confirm a treasonous act by a sitting president.

    We have not declared war, we cooperate on a space station, what exactly is the treason? He is head of the executive.

    I can understand disagreeing with him, but this seems so….. odd?

    Joe (584b3d)

  28. @27

    We have not declared war, we cooperate on a space station, what exactly is the treason? He is head of the executive.

    I can understand disagreeing with him, but this seems so….. odd?

    Joe (584b3d) — 5/28/2025 @ 9:42 am

    The treason is that Trump won the Presidency…git wit the program Joe!

    whembly (551929)

  29. Putin can’t afford to end the war:

    ……………
    In the early stages of the war, the Russian president put the country on a footing for a long conflict. Putin retooled the economy to churn out record numbers of tanks and howitzers, while using sizable signing bonuses of up to a year’s salary to raise a massive army. At one point, more than a thousand recruits were signing up each day to fight.

    This increase saved Moscow from the initial losses it suffered after failing to quickly capture Kyiv three years ago. Now it is helping Russian forces advance westward again, taking more than 100 square miles in the past month. The gains have given Putin the latitude to slow walk peace negotiations and shrug off direct talks with his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, despite growing European pressure and Trump’s own exasperation with the lack of progress in ending the war.
    ………..
    “It is absolutely imperative for Russia to continue to rely on the military industry, because it [has] become the driver of economic growth,” said Alexander Kolyandr, a senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis. “For a while, it will be next to impossible for Russia to reduce military spending.”
    ………..
    If the war does end in Ukraine, some of Russia’s neighbors worry its war economy might be refocused on them.

    In the Baltics, Estonian military planners grimly discuss the possibility of war spilling into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization territory. In Kazakhstan, analysts carefully watch for signals that Russia could make a move into the north of the country, where a large ethnic Russian population still lives.

    These fears stem partly from the belief that the Kremlin would rather keep the tens of thousands soldiers fighting on some other front line rather than bring battle-hardened and often traumatized men back home. After the end of World War II, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin viewed returning veterans as a threat and sent many to the gulags to rid himself of the domestic pressures they could cause.

    Today, peace would likely see many of the hundreds of thousands of troops in Ukraine, particularly those who signed short-term contracts, demobilized and sent back to civilian life at a time of slowing economic and wage growth.

    “It’s not going to be a good idea to cut those wages radically or in a very short time,” said Volodymyr Ishchenko, of the Free University of Berlin. “It’s not a good idea for the state to disappoint armed men.”

    …………Job losses on factory lines, together with an increasingly stagnating economy, could stir some discontent among those who saw the war bring the biggest redistribution of wealth since the fall of the Soviet Union.
    …………
    “When you reduce fiscal stimuli, you have to be very careful…there are so many people who are interested in keeping this merry-go-round going,” said Kolyandr.

    It’s conceivable that if Putin did reach a peace agreement, there are forces in Russia that would like to continue the war

    Cue Star Trek TNG reference.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/28/2025 @ 9:54 am

    Related:

    ………..
    ………..Even as President Trump has thrown NATO into a historic crisis by questioning its efficacy, in Northern Europe, the U.S. military is doubling down.
    ………..
    Some European officials worry that America’s commitment to the trans-Atlantic alliance is waning, given Trump’s criticism of it and his stated desire to reduce military engagement abroad, but U.S. military commanders say their posture remains firm.
    ………..
    The high north and the Baltics have been thrust into the center of U.S. war planning, as their access to shipping routes, territory and energy reserves will be crucial to the West in a new era of geopolitical conflict. The region is hawkish on Russia and is driving European efforts to rearm and boost defense budgets, including support for Ukraine’s armed forces.

    During a three-week exercise, U.S. and U.K. forces joined Nordic and Baltic troops to practice potential war scenarios including live-fire drills, blood resupplies by drone and airborne jumps above the Arctic circle in Norway.
    ………..
    “Now that Finland and Sweden have become members of NATO, we have a continuous piece of NATO territory north of the Arctic Circle,” said Kristian Atland, senior research fellow with the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment, which advises Norway’s armed forces. “The Nordic NATO enlargement has also made it easier for NATO to transfer reinforcements to the Baltic states in the event of a military crisis or conflict in that region.”

    Gotland (a Swedish island about 200 miles from Kaliningrad) is among the most strategic locations in Northern Europe, allowing the deployment of sensors and long-range weapons systems to dominate air and sea operations in the Baltic region. Former Swedish defense chief Micael Bydén last year said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had “both eyes” on Gotland.

    “As Russia’s maritime strategic locations in the Baltic Sea are very weak, any conflict will include Russia immediately seeking to occupy key port areas in the Baltics, Finland and Poland,” said Stefan Lundqvist, Sweden chair to the Ted Stevens Center for Arctic Security Studies in Alaska. “The key military strategic location of Gotland will most likely be the scene of hostile action in the opening stage of conflict,” he said.

    ……….. In war, the island can serve as a hub for NATO logistics and control of sea line communications, and to help build up offensive capabilities for deep strikes on enemy soil.
    ………..
    To simulate the defense of Gotland, a U.K. pathfinder platoon last week carried out reconnaissance. Days later, 110 U.K. paratroopers dropped 1,000 feet from two A400M transport aircraft onto an open field before trekking through the night through woods to secure an aircraft-landing zone.

    Meanwhile, around midnight, a unit of U.S. Marines arrived nearby with a mobile rocket system, which can be deployed quickly in the event of war. Hours earlier, the Marines had been in Norway. After launching the dummy munitions—poles made of concrete—the Marines flew the system to Finland for a similar demonstration.

    The M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or Himars, has altered the course of the war in Ukraine since the U.S. provided it in mid-2022. The system fires Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System rockets, or GMLRS, with a range of about 45 miles, and longer-range Army Tactical Missile System known as ATACMS, which can shoot up to 186 miles.
    ………..
    One of the main tasks facing NATO members is to ensure that their respective military systems function smoothly together. The American-led rocket launch on Gotland relied on complex, multinational communication involving sensors, command-and-control and airfields in several countries. In Lithuania, NATO forces simulated evacuations and treatment of casualties through three types of medical and evacuation systems, each of which belonged to different nations.
    ………..

    There is an obvious disconnect between the Trump Administration’s rhetoric about Europe and NATO and the American military leadership that needs to be resolved.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  31. We have not declared war, we cooperate on a space station, what exactly is the treason? He is head of the executive.

    I guess it hinges on how you define “enemies”:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

    Trump has invoked numerous national emergencies, including nefarious invasion plots by Venezuela and … Canada, and used wartime powers to deport people without due process of law.

    Trump has also accused many of his political opponents, including Liz Cheney, judges who rule against him and media outlets, of treason. He famously told his supporters that General Mark Milley should be executed for treason.

    Dave (632b59)

  32. @31

    Trump has also accused many of his political opponents, including Liz Cheney, judges who rule against him and media outlets, of treason. He famously told his supporters that General Mark Milley should be executed for treason.

    Dave (632b59) — 5/28/2025 @ 10:43 am

    How many times Trump is/was accused of Treason by his political opponents? How many times he’s been accused of ‘name whatever derogatory phrase here‘?

    Trump’s a junkyard dog. The idea that Trump is going to lie back and let his opponents bash him is hysterically funny.

    So, spare me the outrage that Trump is unique in this “gutter politic” stuff.

    whembly (551929)

  33. How many times he’s been accused of ‘name whatever derogatory phrase here‘?

    Are we only counting the felonies he’s actually been convicted of, and the sexual assaults a jury found he committed?

    Or everything he was credibly charged with, and the other sexual assaults he openly bragged about?

    Dave (22b16b)

  34. Speaking of Treason

    A contractor has been accused of making false claims to Congress that led to Donald Trump being investigated for colluding with Russia to influence the course of the 2016 presidential election.

    Nellie Ohr, from strategic intelligence group Fusion GPS, is accused of falsely testifying to Congress about alleged links between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia in a 2019 FBI document.

    The allegation, obtained by the Daily Mail, reveals the bureau’s Office Federal Public Corruption squad in Washington was tasked with reviewing a Congressional Criminal Referral accusing Ohr of obstructing an investigation and providing Congress with demonstrably false information.

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley responded to the document’s release with a strongly-worded statement.

    ‘By lying to Congress, Nellie Ohr showed contempt for congressional oversight and the American people,’ he told the Daily Mail.

    A Congressional criminal referral accused Ohr for falsely testifying that she did not have any knowledge of an ongoing investigation of President Trump’s connections to Russia and she denied sharing her research on Russia with individuals outside of Fusion GPS.

    ‘[T]he FBI and DOJ’s failure to hold Ohr accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies and its obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional information reveals the agencies’ deeply disturbing political bias,’ Grassley added. ‘Ohr never suffered consequences for advancing the phony Trump-Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement in the hoax.’

    ‘The DOJ’s inaction on Nellie Ohr’s criminal referral – despite the obviously incriminating evidence provided in the FBI’s own analysis – undermines public trust in the rule of law,’ he wrote. ‘I applaud Director Patel, Attorney General Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Blanche for cooperating with my request to declassify this information, which is in the public’s interest, and chart a new course for transparency and accountability at the FBI and DOJ.’

    According to the FBI analysis, Ohr testified she ‘would not have any knowledge of what [was] going on in an ongoing investigation’ at DOJ and would not ‘have any knowledge of the Department of Justice’s investigations on Russia.’ She also denied she shared her research with her husband, DOJ attorney Bruce Ohr, and Christopher Steele.

    The investigation revealed that Ohr provided a thumb drive of all her Fusion GPS research to her husband Bruce Ohr, who worked as the Associate Deputy Attorney General at the time of the case and that she was aware of the ongoing effort by the Justice Department to investigate.

    lloyd (da355c)

  35. I guess it hinges on how you define “enemies”….

    Treason has been defined by the Supreme Court as the actual waging of war against the United States; or adhering to enemies of the United States and giving them aid and comfort; none of which Trump has committed.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  36. Neither has Nellie Ohr.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  37. Trump Downplays Prospect of New Sanctions on Russia

    ………..
    “If I think I’m close to getting a deal, I don’t want to screw it up by doing that,” Trump said Wednesday of sanctions, which he has raised in recent days as Russia has waged aggressive attacks on Ukraine.

    “We’re going to find out whether or not he’s tapping us along or not, and if he is, we’ll respond a little bit differently,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.
    ……….
    ……….Trump over the weekend indicated he was considering sanctions against Moscow. People familiar with the matter said new measures could come as early as this week.
    ………..
    The president again distanced himself from the conflict on Wednesday. “This isn’t my war,” he said. “This is [former President Joe] Biden’s war, [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky’s war, and Putin’s war. This isn’t Trump’s war.”

    Trump has been unable to persuade Putin on concessions toward a negotiated peace with Ukraine, and the Russian leader has recently intensified the war, launching its largest-ever drone-and-missile assault on Ukraine earlier this week.
    …………

    TACO!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  38. none of which Trump has committed

    I guess it hinges on how you define “enemies”.

    President Trump has revealed that Venezuela is conducting an invasion of the United States, spearheaded by the Tren de Aragua terrorist gang who have already infiltrated our country.

    Putin and Venezuela’s Maduro Sign Strategic Partnership Agreement in Moscow

    Through Maduro, Russia is clearly an ally of the TdA terrorists, and if Trump helps Russia, he is lending aid and comfort to the invaders.

    Dave (ffb911)

  39. Through Maduro, Russia is clearly an ally of the TdA terrorists, and if Trump helps Russia, he is lending aid and comfort to the invaders.

    Dave (ffb911) — 5/28/2025 @ 1:34 pm

    Again, treason occurs only during a declared war by Congress, not a the whim of a president. Also, since the President has been immune from indictment or prosecution (since 1973), who would bring such a case? The only way to deal with “treason” by a sitting President is through impeachment.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  40. Trump would also presumably be immune from prosecution under Trump v. United States.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  41. President Trump has revealed that Venezuela is conducting an invasion of the United States, spearheaded by the Tren de Aragua terrorist gang who have already infiltrated our country.
    ……..
    Through Maduro, Russia is clearly an ally of the TdA terrorists, and if Trump helps Russia, he is lending aid and comfort to the invaders.

    Dave (ffb911) — 5/28/2025 @ 1:34 pm

    How did President Trump receive his revelation?

    Virtually all of our Intelligence agencies dispute the characterization of TdA as an “invasion” directed by the Venezuelan government. let alone supported by Russia. Further, no appeals court has supported Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act (for example>)

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  42. How did President Trump receive his revelation?

    He’s the annointed of God.

    Try to keep up.

    Dave (ffb911)

  43. Dave’s a big fan of playing “6 degrees from Kevin Bacon.”

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  44. Treason is outside of core immunity, Google AI tells me, which was my recollection from the USSC case.

    Even so, Trump wouldn’t be guilty of capital-T treason under the Constitution because we’re not at war against the Russian fascist regime. I do say he’s betrayed his country in a number of ways, the most egregious being his coup attempt, which is impeachable but that won’t and shouldn’t happen unless there’s high confidence of a two-thirds Senate conviction. Otherwise, it’s fairly pointless.

    Paul Montagu (07689a)

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