Constitutional Vanguard: Donald Trump, Consequences, and Pretending to Obey the Law
My latest newsletter is a long time coming. It’s also long. It’s … 48,000 words. That’s nearly 100 pages of a standard book, I’m told.
I have extensive samples in a Twitter thread I just published. I’ll give you two excerpts here.
The first concerns what I think Trump is up to with the refusal to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
I think Trump may see this as a chance to establish possibly the most important principle of his entire presidency: the ability to exile his critics to a foreign prison without judicial review.
Think about it. Add up everything that Trump is claiming in these cases:
He claims he can decide who is an alien enemy with no judicial review
He is trying to show he can “mistakenly“ deport people to a foreign prison without consequence; and
(He hopes) he can convince the courts not to interfere when he says he can’t get them back.
If he can establish those three points, he will have the ability to effectively throw any critic of his, citizen or no, into a foreign prison for potentially the rest of their lives. And no court can stop him.
All that remains is finding agents who will carry these orders out.
If he can establish that kind of power, he will be a for-real no joke dictator, just like Putin and Xi and all the other strongmen he admires so much. I suspect he considers this possibility worth taking a shot.
From the section for paid subscribers (over 25,000 words!) I have a mock executive order drafted by Olenna Tyrell of Game of Thrones fame. OK, good and evil are reversed in the analogy, but the “I want x to know it was me” concept is the same.
By the authority vested in me as matriarch of House Tyrell and the last known head of that house as well as the laws of Westeros, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Background. My House is committed to addressing the significant risks associated with abusive royalty. Many kings and queens take actions that threaten the safety of the Kingdom and undermine bedrock principles of Westeros. Also I would like for Tommen to take the Iron Throne. Kings and queens who engage in such egregious conduct and who also get in my way should not have access to children who are alive, and on account of that principle, I hereby order unspeakable things to be done to protect my family. I will never lost a night’s sleep over these unspeakable things.
Section 2. Poisoning. Accordingly, I order Littlefinger to smuggle poison into King’s Landing. During a feast, I hereby decree that I shall sprinkle poison into Joffrey’s wine.
Section 3. Pain. Joffrey’s death shall be painful. And I want Cersei to know it was me.
It’s funnier if you have actually read the Chris Krebs executive order.
It’s been a seven-month dry spell for subscribers, and for that I’m sorry. I have spent a lot of that time writing but somehow I was unable to get anything out the door and the project kept growing. Anyway, the post is here — and should you like to subscribe, you may do so here.
> I think Trump may see this as a chance to establish possibly the most important principle of his entire presidency: the ability to exile his critics to a foreign prison without judicial review.
And when he starts doing it, MAGA will *cheer*. And claim that it’s no different than having the IRS investigate conservative groups.
In 2017 I thought this was a fight against Trump. It’s not, it’s a fight against a plurality of Americans who *want* to live in a dictatorship as long as the dictators ire is directed at their enemies.
aphrael (f7d975) — 5/14/2025 @ 10:43 am48,000 words….them’s a lot a words! Hopefully most of them are not: “All work and no play makes Patterico a dull boy”!
Trump is certainly opportunistically probing the institutions to Orbanize our democracy. How else does one explain his dozen of mentions of the Hungarian autocrat? I’m less optimistic that any of this has much of a shot, although, I do expect an epic showdown between Trump and the courts…..just as I could see with the Fed….and just as I could see with the military and incursions into Mexico or…God forbid….Greenland. Trump has that irresistible urge to see how far he can go.
As awful as these other showdowns would be, Trump disregarding a court ruling would be the mac-daddy. I think he understands that there would be no coming back. But he was never supposed to get here….J6 should have been the end….yet, he successfully spun the country into believing….yawn….no big deal. So, he must wonder….can he become king or, at least, de facto king? If they can maybe have a third doll, some here will be slow to object….especially if the lib-tards are crying. What to do? But, alas, I’m not sure what to do with this prognosis. The problem most clearly is us. There’s so much hate that it just begs for an outlet….and a crisis. Something will break soon and we will see which side the biggest talkers will come down on……
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:06 pm>I’m less optimistic that any of this has much of a shot
If/When Trump decides to just ignore court orders, who is going to stop him?
aphrael (f7d975) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:22 pm@1
Two predictions in that one sentence.
My prediction: When both don’t happen, we won’t hear anyone say “Gee, I was wrong.”
lloyd (110521) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:22 pmlloyd,
On January 20, 2029, I will utter a long *phew*, if that doesn’t happen.
By the way, Kristi Noem has weighed in on the suspension of habeas corpus (she’s for it). What do you think?
Appalled (a03861) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:30 pmWow, a post by JVW and Patterico on the same day! Lucky us!
Hope you are well, Pat.
Nate (31ba48) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:40 pm@5 Appalled, I’m guessing you didn’t provide a direct Noem quote or a link for a reason. Likely, the usual reason.
lloyd (110521) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:42 pm#7 I am actually interested in your opinion, believe it or not. You have given some study to immigration issues which makes me interested in your take, even if I don’t like your opinions much.
Apparently, my source (a tweet on BlueSky) arguably overstated. A better summary is here:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-kristi-noem-spar-immigration/story?id=121803220
Appalled (a03861) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:52 pm>> The first concerns what I think Trump is up to with the refusal to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Mark Simone and Ann Coulter and MAGAworld in general are congratulating themselves on how the Democrats and news media) are no longer writing about Kilmar Abrego Garcia.(because it’s not a good issue for the Democrats – saying he’s a criminal and a wife beater and so on. Mark Simone said a few times that he hadn;;t seen the name Garcia in the media for awhile)
and I think Democratic political consultants must be telling that to Democrats, leaving the issue to the far left)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 1:03 pmAppalled (a03861) — 5/14/2025 @ 12:30 pm
She’s for whatever Trump says.
She says it is not her decision.
She didn’t weigh in s to whether it is the president’s decision or that of Congress, a(is possibly unaware of that aspect) or as to whether or not there is any plausible excuse for it (what the words “public safety” and “require” can mean.)
She probably isn’t even aware of what the issues are.
You could interpret that as being for it in principle.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 1:39 pmA citizen cannot be an “alien enemy”
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 1:42 pmBukele respects human rights more than Trump (he wouldn’t put women in a men’s prison.)
I think that’s a good point. They were deliver straight into custody.
I think the problem goes deeper than Trump but infects ICE un general. What Trump has done is he has enabled the bad guys in ICE.. And there are bad guys who are malicious.
Some items on your list of Trump abuses are wrong or have been reversed but you can’t be prefect. I think the cutoff of intelligence to Ukraine was very short-lived and this is the first I heard of it getting people killed. Maybe soldiers. He got more people killed by encouraging (for a time, even unintentionally) Putin’s belief that Ukraine was in danger of losing U.S. support. He launched more missiles against civilians in Kyiv.
yo Ukraine was*
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:08 pmHe doesn’t need to be president to do that. He merely needs to be political BOSS of the Republican Party.
I don’t think he’s capable of that.
But it is, in theory, possible.
The closest anyone came to that was Mark Hanna.
It took place more in cities and counties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hague
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:13 pmTrump didn’t do that.
It should be obvious that career people in ICE did that.
What reason did Trump have to single out Kilmar Abrego Garcia?
Now Trump backed them up.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:16 pmI don’t know what’s going on here:
https://nypost.com/2025/05/14/us-news/tren-de-aragua-gangbangers-at-ice-facility-barricade-themselves-threaten-to-take-hostages-after-spelling-out-sos-in-prison-yard/
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:39 pmhttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/08/us/criminal-defendants-immigration-deportation.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:43 pmMaybe non gang members gang members imprisoned together with gang members?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/14/2025 @ 2:44 pmI repeat:
It’s not that I oppose large-scale deportation. It’s not that I view Biden’s admission of millions of folks unlawfully as anything other than criminal. But Trump’s methods in this are putrid, his focus unreasonable, and his lies manifest. That he couples this with insane tariffs that tear apart the Western system that THE US BUILT, pals around with caudillos and monsters like Putin, attempts to undo the very bedrock of the post-Civil War settlement, and refuses to defend democratic resistance against naked aggression by the above-named monster makes this very hard to stomach. It is so bad that even his noxious racism is an afterthought.
If this is the future of the GOP, then the GOP is dead. We now have two statist parties, one globalist-socialist and one nationalist-socialist. The GOP’s only hope of survival is to repudiate MAGA. I see no evidence they will do that, but there is always hope.
But hope is not a strategy, so we need a new center-right party with distinct principles and red lines that would separate it from the socialists, yet not be so far into the weeds that the center could not join.
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 3:06 pmFact check: Biden did not admit millions of folks unlawfully.
Dave (dd0691) — 5/14/2025 @ 3:54 pmReading through this and getting to the discussion of Boasberg’s order to “turn those planes around” I’m torn, and I think the judge issued an order that arguably could be ignored.
He issued a command to a [military?] unit within the executive branch and he is not in the chain of command, nor can he insert himself into it at any point to issue such a direct order.
However, he COULD have ordered that “No one aboard these flights may be surrendered to any foreign entity and all must be returned to the United States within 48 hours.”
This avoids giving direct orders to units not within his remit. Instead, he would be giving orders to “the Executive” without commanding means or methods. Pettifogging? Perhaps. But Isgur’s argument would be substantially smaller.
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 3:54 pmFact check: Biden did not admit millions of folks unlawfully.
He did. Or do you assert that the 500,000 paroles were issued after a case-by-case review as the law demanded?
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 3:55 pmThis is the president’s prerogative, and he has not indicated that they will or will not be taking action.”
Shorter: “I will follow orders.”
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:02 pmWhat Trump has done is he has enabled the bad guys in ICE.
They all know this, given his pardons of minions and other bad actors.
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:05 pmcan he become king or, at least, de facto king?
He would have to cancel elections to do that. Otherwise he serves at the pleasure of the voters.
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:07 pmAlleged Tren de Aragua gangbangers were seen begging to be sent home by flashing a banner reading “Help, we want to be deported. We are not terrorists. SOS” to a drone overhead this week at the same facility.
Trump could give them all hearings, then deport those who are shown to be Tren de Aragua gangbangers. But he’d rather fight than comply.
Kevin M (089f1c) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:10 pm>The GOP’s only hope of survival is to repudiate MAGA. I see no evidence they will do that, but there is always hope.
Long term, maybe.
In the medium term, though, it looks like they can double down on MAGA and use the power of the state to rig things, just like Orban and Erdogan have done.
aphrael (f7d975) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:12 pmYes, of course they were. Each application was reviewed by a USCIS officer, and then the decision was reviewed by a supervisor. There is an individual paper trail for each approved application.
There were about 10 times as many applicants as people admitted, and significant backlogs in processing.
I went through this at length in a recent reply to one of your other posts.
Eligibility relies on two requirements:
1) A valid sponsor
2) A finding of “urgent humanitarian or significant public benefit reasons”
To quote the USCIS website:
It also says:
You could argue truthfully that (in your opinion) too many were admitted or that the evaluation criteria were too lenient.
But there is no factual evidence to support your claim that the law was violated.
Dave (dd0691) — 5/14/2025 @ 4:55 pmShe sounds pretty clear to me:
My emphasis.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/14/2025 @ 5:39 pmFacts not in evidence.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/14/2025 @ 5:42 pmHas Bukele publicly bragged about peeping at naked little girls, and committing sexual assault?
Has Bukele attempted to steal an election he lost?
Has Bukele praised butchers like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Il?
Dave (979a82) — 5/14/2025 @ 5:48 pmFact check: yes he did.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 5/14/2025 @ 5:55 pmNot following the party line:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/14/2025 @ 5:56 pmThey were dismissed “because they [refused to] politicize[] intelligence.”
FIFY Ms. Henning
Patterico (ac90bd) — 5/14/2025 @ 6:32 pmEvery accusation is a confession.
Dave (979a82) — 5/14/2025 @ 6:46 pmIf they didn’t have nasty, they wouldn’t have nothing. No competence, only partisanship and malevolence.
nk (ee6040) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:06 pm@32 A paragraph Rip edited out:
Pffft.
lloyd (db72b8) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:25 pmBukele asked for assurances that those sent to his prison were convicted criminals.
Paul Montagu (a99de6) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:29 pmThe NBC report Rip linked makes it sound like the TdA assessment is the reason for the firings. The assertion that they “oversaw” the assessment is a stretch, and the report admits as much.
For another perspective:
lloyd (db72b8) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:33 pmAppalled, looks like Noem didn’t say what you said she said. I’d unfollow that Bluesky dude.
lloyd (db72b8) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:39 pmThe funny thing about lloyd’s FoxNews link is they didn’t at all discuss the content of the IC report on Venezuela, which found that every every agency but the FBI were confident that TdA was not affiliated with Maduro, which basically shreds Trump’s claim of an invasion under the Alien Enemies Act.
Paul Montagu (a99de6) — 5/14/2025 @ 10:01 pmArt whistleblower complaint supposed to be about violations of process? Or ethics or the law? A whistleblower complaint that somebody supports diversity seems kin to a whistleblower complaint that somebody puts hot sauce on their nachos at lunch. That’s interesting but not grounds for any official action.
The anonymous accusation that he is politically opposed to Trump is slightly less irrelevant. But unless his political views impact the way they do their work does not seem relevant.
Of course, this is from the quaint old idea that not everything is determined by tribal affiliation, and that people are able to separate their personal beliefs from their professional conduct.
Time123 (31e07e) — 5/15/2025 @ 7:19 amPaul, why would anyone discuss evidence that Trump was misleading the public? Isn’t that kind of a dog bites man story? At this point does anyone believe that Trump’s factual statements are likely to be correct?
I really don’t think the people supporting Trump’s use of the alien enemies act care if it’s well founded or not. They want him to do a certain thing and we’ll happily support whatever Lie are required to get that thing accomplished.
Time123 (31e07e) — 5/15/2025 @ 7:20 am@40 Paul, it’s a shame Fox didn’t link the fired officials to an assessment they had virtually no known involvement in.
lloyd (23c4d4) — 5/15/2025 @ 7:30 am@41 “A whistleblower complaint that somebody supports diversity”
Where did you pull this out of?
lloyd (23c4d4) — 5/15/2025 @ 7:32 amFor those who are interested, the WaPo, NYT, CNN, NPR, etc. are live streaming the oral argument about enforcement of the president’s birthright citizenship EO. As I pointed out before, the argument (so far) has not focused on the merits of the EO (there has been no discussion of what “subject to the jurisdiction of” means, for example) but on the use of nationwide injunctions.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/15/2025 @ 8:35 amYou can gullibly take the word of Trump lackeys in the DOJ and DNI all you like, lloyd. For me, I’ll prefer to stay skeptical of their word.
Paul Montagu (a99de6) — 5/15/2025 @ 9:24 amPaul, it’s best to be skeptical of everything including the media. Try it.
lloyd (4de44b) — 5/15/2025 @ 10:07 am#45
Rip,
How did you think it went?
From what I have seen, the bulk of the people who live tweeted the event thought the government was not going to win on this issue for this case, thought it was clear a majority backed some kind of limit on the nationwide injunction. (There was one tweeter/blogger who thought all was lost.) IANL, but I don’t see how you can come up with a new rule based on this case that anything other than no more national injunctions. (You can’t narrowly tailor the rule, because the eo radically changes the status quo.)
I did not have the opportunity to listen.
Appalled (6a3e5d) — 5/15/2025 @ 11:39 amI expect a muddled decision, with multiple opinions on each side, which will result in confusion and continued litigation.
Rip Murdock (28384f) — 5/15/2025 @ 1:12 pmYou can gullibly take the word of Trump lackeys in the DOJ and DNI all you like, lloyd. For me, I’ll prefer to stay skeptical of their word.
I would only ask that you remain skeptical of the other side, too. They are all lying.
Kevin M (c08244) — 5/15/2025 @ 1:46 pmPaul Montagu (a99de6) — 5/14/2025 @ 7:29 pm
At one point, maybe. But they are not in fact all convicted criminals. In fact, ICE has acted to prevent that in some cases. (Of course years ago an old marijuana cse in San Francisco was someone’s ticket out of immigration detention)
And that may apply only to the Venezuelans not his own citizens.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/us/politics/trump-deportations-venezuela-el-salvador.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/us/politics/trump-deportations-venezuela-el-salvador.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HU8.VMMY.ROuCvrDEGNeV&smid=url-share
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/15/2025 @ 2:50 pm28. OK
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 5/15/2025 @ 2:52 pmWhat bothers me most is the myopia of the partisans. Every power that Obama or Biden assumed, Trump is using. He has a pen and a phone, too, and is willing to issue the most noisome executive orders. And every power that Trump usurps will be wielded with glee by his Democrat successors.
Take for example his “Trade Deficit Emergency” that allows him to rewrite all the trade laws and alter some domestic policy. The emergency is based up a “growing problem” theory where an existing issue becomes a dire threat, enabling nearly unfettered powers (in this case economic). What will stop President Ocasio-Cortez from declaring “Climate Change” a national emergency and banning the importation or sale of gasoline vehicles and maybe strict limits on fuel production. Maybe banning plastics or beef or air conditioning. Certainly Climate Change is a bigger issue than this year’s trade deficit.
Trump’s immigration and border EOs could be turned into near-opposites, with immigration for Mexico and Central America made borderless and immigration from Europe subject to stringent control. If the written law no longer matters, why would future presidents suddenly go back to Queensbury rules?
To be fair, Trump is not the first president to ignore the written law and waive or ignore provisions they don’t like. But Trump is taking it from the exception to the norm. At which point the Republic is only in the trappings, not the functioning.
If the Rule of Law is to survive, not only do Trump’s machinations need repudiation, but the Democrats need to come clean about their own. The last time we got here, with a president who had expanded on past abuse, there was an impeachment crisis and total repudiation. And the side doing the repudiation found its past behavior repudiated as well.
I repeat: Trump will go too far, at which point everything changes. Hopefully soon.
Kevin M (047fd9) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:27 pmShorter: For the Rule of Law to have respect, the Law must Rule. We’ve been a nation of Men, not Laws for some time now.
Kevin M (047fd9) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:29 pmWhich is funny with your “interpretations” about treason and impeachment.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:41 pmI expect a muddled decision, with multiple opinions on each side
There will be no decision on the citizenship question, although the result will mention that those opposing the EO are likely to prevail.
One of the problems with the government’s position that injunctions must be limited to participants in cases is that it would allow the government to ignore the injunctions and apply the policy to the vast majority who did not sue. They would not even appeal so the issue would never come to the Supreme Court.
I cannot see the court accepting that.
I foresee a requirement that the relevant circuit court affirm the injunction before it takes national effect, to somewhat avoid purely partisan judges. Or maybe that suits demanding a national injunction need to be brought to a district court in the DC circuit, to avoid forum shopping. Given that the DC circuit isn’t controlled by any Senator(s) it is the most likely to have a balanced slate.
But there will be some rules for seeking national injunctions that we do not have now.
Kevin M (290e9a) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:45 pmWhich is funny with your “interpretations” about treason and impeachment.
What is strange about my idea that impeachment is for “high crimes and bad behavior”? The Senate doesn’t have to convict if they think the offense isn’t high enough. That was the case with Clinton — the Democrats’ stand was not that he didn’t lie under oath, but that it wasn’t enough to warrant removal.
As for treason, well, definitions of war against the USA can differ. You prefer limiting them to 18th century usage. I don’t. Trump exhorting a mob to attack Congress, if proven, was treason.
Kevin M (290e9a) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:49 pmSo much for following the explicit text of the Constitution.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/15/2025 @ 3:53 pm> Trump will go too far, at which point everything changes.
There is no evidence that there is anything he can do which will cause the Republicans in the legislature to turn on him.
The SG argued in court today that *not even the Supreme Court can issue a nationwide injunction*, because Article III simply doesn’t allow them, and this is *great* for Republicans — because it means that as long as the Republicans control the executive, there’s simply nothing *anyone* can do to effectively stop them from carrying out their agenda.
Why would they turn on that? He’s the dictator they’ve been yearning for their entire adult lives.
aphrael (f4a6b3) — 5/15/2025 @ 5:39 pmA modest proposal from one of the Adults In The Room
lloyd (ac0a56) — 5/15/2025 @ 7:06 pmRight back at you.
Paul Montagu (d841c4) — 5/15/2025 @ 8:03 pmGood luck finding the Comey story in the New York Times.
lloyd (ac0a56) — 5/15/2025 @ 8:09 pmPaul, is Comey a Nevertrumper?
lloyd (ee75a5) — 5/15/2025 @ 8:10 pmIt was found easily, lloyd. Thanks for telling me you have no point, instead opting to vent more spleen.
NeverTrumper is defined as “a conservative, especially a Republican, who opposes Donald Trump.”
Paul Montagu (2808d2) — 5/17/2025 @ 9:06 amComey could be considered a NeverTrumper, considering that he’d “been a Republican for most of my life”, but in 2016 said he was “not registered any longer”.
LOL, Paul. You checked two days later.
When I posted that comment, there was no Comey story. You will cling to any opportunity to be dishonest.
lloyd (5e796c) — 5/17/2025 @ 9:52 amBut, got it Paul. Whenever a Nevertrumper does anything moronic they cease being a Nevertrumper.
lloyd (5e796c) — 5/17/2025 @ 9:54 amThis article on Comey is dated May 15, the same day you posted your comment. This New York Times story has links to other Trump Administration articles including the Comry article on May 15, 2025. It shows it was published at 7:42 pm EST on that date.
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:15 amI believe Patterico’s timestamps are Pacifuc time. Eastern time is 3 hours ahead/before Pacific time so the NY Times article on Comey was posted at 4:42 Pacific time.
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:20 amNo, you don’t get it, lloyd. I said that Comey became a NeverTrumper after he was sacked, which is true. I didn’t say that Comey ceased being a NeverTrumper. You made that up.
I’ll also note that DRJ fact-checked your stupid NYT comment as well.
The reason I didn’t reply earlier is that I prioritized and took the time to read all 48,000-plus words and, IMO, it was fully worthwhile, something everyone should read, even and especially all the MAGA pukes here.
Paul Montagu (2808d2) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:22 amFWIW I think Comey should be questioned about his post. We have free speech but there are also laws about Presidential threats. In general, it must be a knowing and willful threat. There is no requirement of proof of intent to carry out a threat. Nevertheless, this could be treated as political hyperbole not constituting a legal threat.
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:24 amThat link is broken.
lloyd (cb0830) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:31 amIt’s looking like the usual fact check you typically hype.
lloyd (cb0830) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:32 amThe fact is I went to the New York Times site at that day and time. No articles on Comey. I entered Comey on their search bar and it only had articles from the past. I even googled it, and it only showed articles on CNN, Newsweek, Axios, WaPo, Fox, no NYT.
lloyd (cb0830) — 5/17/2025 @ 11:38 amNo, it’s not. I got right to it. The first para…
Dated 5/15/2025
Paul Montagu (2808d2) — 5/17/2025 @ 12:36 pmI’m sorry, Lloyd. The link is there. You can right click on it and it shows up but it doesnt connect for some reason.
Maybe this?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/15/us/trump-news#a-judge-blocked-the-energy-department-from-imposing-a-cap-on-grants-for-university-research
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 1:04 pmI think Lloyd is talking about my second link that has the timestamp at 7:42. You have to scroll down. It is a collection of NY Times stories about the Trump Administration and it us continually updated, so at some point this Comey article will drop off the list. Buy it is there noe and shows it was published at May 5, 2025, at 7:42 PM EST.
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 1:07 pmMaybe the articles are written/timestamped before they are posted online. Maybe there is a delay in posting. I doubt it is a lengthy delay – certainly not days – but a few hours?
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 1:12 pmSorry but when I said May 5 I meant May 15. Not my best day!
DRJ (a84ee2) — 5/17/2025 @ 1:14 pm“Good luck finding the Comey story in the New York Times” was posted at 8:09pm PST.
The first Comey story from the NYT was at 5:42pm PST, almost 2½ hours earlier.
Paul Montagu (2808d2) — 5/17/2025 @ 2:48 pm#78 Even in your not-best days, you are worth reading. I admire anyone who frankly admits mistakes, including the commenters here.
(True story: Years ago, my mother and girlfriend were watching me work in a garden. My mother saw me doing something that I had said I didn’t need to do earlier, and needled me about it.
I simply replied: “I was wrong.” And both women started laughing in surprise, because that is so unusual.)
Jim Miller (b68348) — 5/17/2025 @ 4:33 pmCorrection: “The first Comey story from the NYT was at
Paul Montagu (2808d2) — 5/17/2025 @ 4:51 pm5:42pm4:42pm PST, almost2½3½ hours earlier.”